#assassination

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thorny rose
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yeah queens conservatory is a scam

fringe sigil
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I swapped through all the covenants on rogue and enjoy Venthyr the most.

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I played bone spike for like a few days, didn't like

thorny rose
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I did threads of fate on my rogue so I’ve only ever known venthyr. I think I like it that way. I’d be too indecisive if I was allowed to try necro/SBS

fringe sigil
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Plus I love the xmog

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So goood

compact pumice
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I’d like to try necro tbh, seems so good for OL. Wish it was less punishing to try out another cov. Would love a weeks trial run or something

near igloo
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same

neat jacinth
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How can you make some debuffs for plater even bigger ? Like Garrote f.e. ?

foggy flint
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same with Kyrian, I feel like the last Kyrian rogue when doing my mission table next to monks and palas

strange python
slim wagon
undone eagle
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its best to use Flag after shiv or right before? when u wanna smash that envenom full dot shiv

tender folio
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Guys for myth+ aint it better to run lethal poisons over lashing scars ?

limber lion
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@balmy condor

brittle pawn
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MA leggo?

limber lion
limber lion
limber lion
tender folio
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Hmm

limber lion
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And the best part, some random priest in the group gave me this

gleaming eagle
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is that a good trinket?

limber lion
gleaming eagle
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which 1 is better

limber lion
gleaming eagle
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between that and vial

tender folio
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Vial overall

gleaming eagle
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i see

glad narwhal
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Does duelist reapply if your target dies? Or does it only refresh once you've left and reentered combat?

limber lion
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Yeah, Phial is still the best trinket overall

brittle pawn
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usually reapplies

final star
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Good to see you finally seeing it too

limber lion
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To be honest, it doesn't work really well for all dungeons

final star
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It's perfect for MA

limber lion
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It's a bit painful having to wait for tank to pull everything and group them together before you can press any buttons

final star
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Which is the main diff

limber lion
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Yeh, I love using MA myself.

final star
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Subterfuge defo with zoldyck

limber lion
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Been using Subterfuge quite a bit though.

final star
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MA makes opener so smooth

tender folio
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NS - Nightstalker or something else ?

final star
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Yes

limber lion
final star
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MfD + Ct

tender folio
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Gotta try it as well then

final star
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Claps

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MfD + Rupture for bosses

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Can't lose

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Either way your tank needs to restealth

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Let you, I mean

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And with MA NS gets more value during vanish

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I need a plater mod

winter vapor
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has anyone got info on when its best to use SBS in rotations? I -think- I have a vauge idea but would rather have it confirmed that I'm not just being carp

final star
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That changes nameplate colour if no garrote with subterfuge

brittle pawn
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being carp

winter vapor
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^^

final star
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And glows for rupture

unkempt ginkgo
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NS only works for the first skill coming out of stealth right?

final star
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Yes

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Which is why you apply CT

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Someone can confirm for me if the full vanish "stealth"

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Is completely NS boost

chrome cobalt
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what are you thoughts on venthyr vs necro ?

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i hear venthyr is better, but I feel like necro is more fun to use 🤔

final star
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Play the one you like more

lofty shell
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venthyr ability is fire and forget, does big dam

unkempt ginkgo
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So NS snapshots CT?

lofty shell
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bonespike requires you to spread the dot but gives nice cp build

final star
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When used from stealth

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MfD + CT pumps

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Also feels way nicer to use with MA

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Than subterfuge imo

unkempt ginkgo
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I will give that a try, sounds interesting

lofty shell
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subterfuge is pretty weird wirth ma

unkempt ginkgo
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I'm just using doomblade and subterfuge

final star
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They are approx the same dps for me

chrome cobalt
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yeah thats true

final star
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So I play the one I like more

limber lion
chrome cobalt
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Im just messing with them without any renown so its hard to gage the damage without conduits and stuff

final star
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Yeah, like you're not gonna run it on sanguine for example

limber lion
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If there's 2 mobs away from the pack, it feels kinda bad having to decide between waiting 3s for them to group or opening and them then joining after a while

final star
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Subterfuge is flat out better there

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It's the same as outlaw choosing between blade rush and killing spree

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Halls, DoS, NW, Mists

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They are good examples for NS

unkempt ginkgo
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Does talent/leggo choices change between fort/tyrannical weeks?

final star
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Zoldyck and MA both valuable both weeks

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Same as doomblade

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Choice

unkempt ginkgo
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I only have MA/doomblade and I thought MA would "fall off" on higher keys (15+)

meager tinsel
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what's ct?

leaden garden
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Is asa strong for pve now? compared to other melee?

lofty shell
meager tinsel
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ah

strange python
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!oil

prisma monolithBOT
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final star
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@unkempt ginkgo I've used MA in an 18 and it was still good

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Zoldyck defo gets more insane the higher you go though

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30% is a long as time on tyrannical

sacred wigeon
final star
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I don't have zoldyck to test

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Might make it

meager tinsel
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For hunstman, do you maintain all the dots on both targets only when they're stacked? or do you make the effort to maintain dots when they're separated too?

final star
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Maintain on dogs

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Dogs also damage boss

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Since they share health

brittle pawn
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go dot dog in the corner if you have sstep or something to get back onto the boss fast

meager tinsel
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but when they're separated and the dots are falling off, do u make the trip to the dog to apply the dots then go back to alt?

final star
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Sstep + door of shadow

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Yes

meager tinsel
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kk

final star
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It's big value for that boss

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Can maintain poison with poison knife too

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If you have to

sacred wigeon
quick creek
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Does MA snapshot any dots? Or we just focus on more direct dmg during those windows?

unkempt ginkgo
final star
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I haven't tested zoldyck so I cannot comment

sacred wigeon
unkempt ginkgo
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Ma and NS

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I meant

final star
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MP FeelsKek

quick creek
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I'm new to my rogue but how does MA really help for assassination? Seems it's mostly wasted during aoe fur to garrotes and we can't use it that often with vanish

final star
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EP is flat out more damage than MP

final star
sacred wigeon
final star
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🤢

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I'd have to farm a completely new gear set

sacred wigeon
final star
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All my gear is vers/crit/haste

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I have like 60 mastery

sacred wigeon
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the aoe would be insane to

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lol i have 23 😛

final star
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It's just that EP is flat 10% to everything

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It's big

sacred wigeon
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ofc

final star
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And I don't have to change gear sets

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To facilitate a talent

sacred wigeon
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not saying MP is better at all, just saying i think we may find in next proper patch MP will be an option

final star
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Maybe once we have the valor

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It would be fun to meme it

sacred wigeon
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we shall see lol

neat jacinth
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And how do open with this build?

frail fossil
eternal lance
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hey boys . when i m in mythyc plus my damage is very fine in mythyc And aoe But when pride come out with talent subterfuge i must use garot sileand dice and what ? i can use on spell but i dont know what is it

final star
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@neat jacinth mfd + CT or mfd + Rupture for ST

limber lion
limber lion
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Got myself a 220 IQD now cute_pog

frail fossil
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pog

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is CT capped ?

limber lion
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Ye

frail fossil
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it's capped at 8 right

limber lion
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8targets

clever vapor
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Why is it recommended to open with mutilate when ambush does more damage for same energy?

limber lion
prisma monolithBOT
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Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

clever vapor
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I see, thanks

eternal lance
neat jacinth
limber lion
chilly crane
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Is IQD better than the rest? 🙂

neat jacinth
eternal lance
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are u start with grot ?

final star
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I ain't even gonna try

stoic needle
final star
stoic needle
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But NS is probably better with MA

final star
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It's roughly equivalent for me

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But NS players better for me

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Than tab garrote sleeper gameplay

eternal lance
limber lion
final star
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MfD is very important for NS

neat jacinth
final star
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And making good use of CttC

eternal lance
pliant apex
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whats the logic for using vanish 7 secs after using sepsis, you gain one use of stealth ability after 10 secs with sepsis

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i know you have to, just trying to understand why

final star
stoic needle
pliant apex
limber lion
eternal lance
limber lion
pliant apex
eternal lance
stoic needle
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Yup

final star
stoic needle
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I just maxed my ma so I wanna try out this build but this is such a dogshit week for keys residentsleeper

eternal lance
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master posioner is a bad talent guys ?

stoic needle
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Overall master poisoner is the worst talent in the row

final star
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This week is way more fun

eternal lance
limber lion
final star
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Any tank can kite when you have a rogue with slow poison in group anyway

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Inspiring doesn't exist with vendetta

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Pride doesn't exist either 😂

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Doing 5.5k dps on pride without CD's

stoic needle
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I don't like wasting my own time

final star
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I guess but I've not pugged a tank other than on boomy and shaman this week

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You need to be able to communicate with tank on rogue tbh

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It helps so mucb

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Much

stoic needle
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Communication?

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In pugs?

acoustic olive
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Vigor or MfD?

final star
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I'm legit getting ptsd flashbacks to spiteful every pack

final star
# stoic needle In pugs?

I feel like I have a way better kit on shaman/druid to help make up for no communication in pugs

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Cos I can just treants/typhoon/capacitor/aoe slow

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Rogue is pretty focused cc

stoic needle
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Yeah

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I try to interrupt tank buster abilities with gouge when I can

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And blind

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But it's pretty hopeless as sin lmao

final star
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Yeah, at least slow poison good

chilly crane
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guys question, which trinkets do I try to get from m+s?

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besides phial

stoic needle
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IQD

primal holly
limber lion
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IQD for the boys

final star
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MfD is far better

limber lion
final star
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Like far better

primal holly
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No doubt

final star
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You don't even need to get good reset value

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For it to be better

stoic needle
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I don't think it's that far better

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Because you get energy starved more with MfD

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It's just a different playstyle

final star
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Not that big of an issue with 3 ruptures and 2 garrote up though

stoic needle
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This is coming from someone who used mfd exclusively until I played with vigor more

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It's an issue when you're trying to get those ruptures and garottes up

final star
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Not with Ma

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MA

stoic needle
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Well it's different with MA lol

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With zoldyck it's different, the energy starvation is noticeable

final star
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I'm gonna give zoldyck a try

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And see the difference

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No doubt ill feel it

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But I'll be subterfuge anyway

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So idk

stoic needle
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Usually I run vigor on tyrann and MfD on fort

final star
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I run mfd

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😂

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Cos I run NS+MA

stoic needle
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This is annoying like

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There are too many good builds for m+ now I never know what I want to play

shy dust
final star
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The one you play the best

stoic needle
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Do I want to play sin or outlaw? Do I want to play zoldyck or MA? NS or subterfuge?

final star
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Cos they all meaningfully change how it plats

stoic needle
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Too many choices

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I'm kinda equal with both now

final star
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Plays

sleek sparrow
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Why is SLG prog so unfun Cev

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This boss is so lame FeelsKEKMan

neat jacinth
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With MA, would you suggest playing Subtefuge or NS for beginner assas? just doing m+

final star
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Try both

jolly quiver
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!bis

final star
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Pick one u like more

eternal lance
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what is ma

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?

stoic needle
stoic needle
limber lion
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The fight still sucks, even if they nerf it to the ground.

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Just bad design

sleek sparrow
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Having to play outlaw is making it extra unfun lol

final star
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Buggy mess

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As well

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Holding dps stinks

stoic needle
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Wdym killing spree go brr

final star
sleek sparrow
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Not playing KS

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Already had that shit kill me twice

stoic needle
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KS sims higher on single target for me somehow

final star
eternal lance
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guys you are using zoldyck on m+ ?

limber lion
eternal lance
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what is ma

stoic needle
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Zoldyck good

eternal lance
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?

stoic needle
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MA good

limber lion
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Master Assassin my boy

stoic needle
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Master assasin

eternal lance
stoic needle
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It's kinda funny how that legendary is just so good for every spec

eternal lance
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u think with zuldick i must use subterfage

limber lion
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Yes

eternal lance
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or what

stoic needle
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Kinda hard to beat 100% crit for 4 seconds out of stealth and with vanish

spice spire
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With both you still run sub. Sub is really good for m+

limber lion
stoic needle
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Wtf

limber lion
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It was 5s in SL as well until they nerfed it to 2s

final star
limber lion
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And then buffed it back to 4s

final star
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You can run NS with MA

stoic needle
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The injustice

limber lion
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And funny thing is that they introduced the legendary in 7.1

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And it stayed the same the whole expansion

final star
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It was my 3rd legendary on rogue

limber lion
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Literally the same legendary gets introduced in SL

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Gets insta nerfed

final star
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I got boots/wrists forst

limber lion
final star
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First

stoic needle
drifting ocean
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hey guys, do you know if the wound poison works on the first boss in PF ?

stoic needle
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It does but it's not worth using

final star
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????

stoic needle
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You should kill the slimes before it can heal

final star
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When tf the boss healing

limber lion
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But yeah, they nerfed all legendaries all around to reduce the effectiveness of them. But legendaries should feel legendary.

final star
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It's like

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Let's not keep legendaries good and buff mobs to accommodate

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Let's nerf legendaries instead

stoic needle
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In my honest opinion, they should rename the current legendaries to 'artifacts' and bring back actual legendaries that are hard to aquire like fangs of the father

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With cool effects and shit

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Current legendaries don't feel legendary at all because they're too easy to get

fleet whale
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artifacts were a key thing in legion though

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can't really consider these leggos are "artifacts"

stoic needle
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The name isn't really important

dawn ivy
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i liked the initial idea of HOW we obtained "memories" of legendaries

eternal lance
stoic needle
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Its just like, when you call the thing you build from soul ash in SL a legendary

limber lion
stoic needle
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And atiesh, fangs of the father, thunderfury are also legendaries

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It kinda ruins the whole concept

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One of them is really easy to get and the other isn't

eternal lance
frail fossil
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they wont even make class exclusive legendaries like that

stoic needle
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I think it's a shame

limber lion
frail fossil
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what i want is more items with passive effects

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like weapons and stuff

stoic needle
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Idk I just liked how having fangs or atiesh or whatever back in the day meant you were a badass player

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Who actually did something not many other people could do

frail fossil
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like i dont play classic, but i like the idea of items giving u like unique passive than just stats

eternal lance
brittle pawn
stoic needle
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Nowadays the only real signifier is being geared as shit but there are too many ways to do that

frail fossil
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thing is ppl dont rly care abt gear

stoic needle
frail fossil
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it's not a relevant measure of skill

stoic needle
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Speaking from experience

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We gave our thunderfury to our main tank because he worked his ass off tanking every dungeon and raid for us for like a year

frail fossil
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ppl compare skill not by ilv but by raider.io score, world ranking in raids etc, not ilv

spice spire
stoic needle
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And we gave our atiesh to our druid tank for the same reason, cuz she spent literally hundreds of hours farming manual crowd pummelers to put out good threat

pale sphinx
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Anyone know how many extra globals we get during 20 seconds of PI, or during our shiv window?

brittle pawn
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we gave thunderfury to our main tank that joined the guild a month before he got it, because he was the loudest and neckbeardiest about it

limber lion
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Haste doesn't affect our GCD.

spice spire
stoic needle
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Maybe you shouldn't have given it to him?

limber lion
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Rogue is the only class in the game that has a 1s gcd, regardless of haste levels.

brittle pawn
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there werent really many options

stoic needle
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Idk I think we're getting off topic a bit

brittle pawn
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those legendaries were at best a popularity contest, at worst a crapshoot

stoic needle
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The main point is that these items are rare as fuck and hard to create and obtain, and it take at the bare minimum the collective effort of a few dozen people to create even one

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That kind of thing doesn't exist in wow anymore and I wish it still did

pale sphinx
frail fossil
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i dont think anyone compare items to show off now tho

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cuz there is better way to know if a guy is good or not

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so i dont rly care abt how u obtain legendary, i just wish they were cooler

limber lion
brittle pawn
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everyone transmogs as a farmer or a slut

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who needs cool looking stuff

sleek sparrow
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Just be a rogue for 7 years and earn your fangs of the father :^)

stoic needle
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I want some carrots to chase that isn't just ilvl

frail fossil
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like legendary weapons would be rly cool with special effects

frail fossil
rose anchor
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hey, got a question, during the shiv window do we mutilate until 4/5cp(without deeper strat) then envenom? or is it 1 time mutilate (2cp) then envenom until the shiv window ends?

frail fossil
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and those better expose ur skill than ilv

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or gear

brittle pawn
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now the relic weapons in ffxi were an actual achievement

sleek sparrow
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Lol

stoic needle
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I want them to be part of the game

pale sphinx
frail fossil
stoic needle
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And I like the RPG aspect of working your ass off to make some crazy item

limber lion
stoic needle
limber lion
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It's around 100-200 dps for 5 min encounters with 3 PI's.

frail fossil
pale sphinx
brittle pawn
unkempt ginkgo
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Is taking DS inting for m+?

brittle pawn
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it feels kinda gross

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and fucks your subt opener of 4x garrote

stoic needle
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DS is trash in m+

limber lion
stoic needle
limber lion
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It's not exactly accurate, but it's something.

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I can do it for my profile and show you the results if you want.

pale sphinx
stoic needle
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But I hear you flower I hope that poxstorm isn't the only weapon of it's kind the whole exp

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I have a hope/feeling that we might see some cool loot in sanctum of domination or the new broker dungeon

brittle pawn
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geti was

dark crag
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Next one is a dagger with bleed proc

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Counts for dumbblade

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Damn autocorrect

gloomy knoll
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is always a 1 hander

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and it always will be monkaW

stoic needle
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So far we have too many trinkets that are just a passive damage boost with no interaction

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We need more iqd type stuff

limber lion
stoic needle
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But I wouldn't be suprised if they were being conservative with the cool shit in the first patch

limber lion
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I don't have an SP profile, but if you can link me your buddy's SP profile, then I can do the same thing for him.

stoic needle
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But like I swear to God if I have to farm a new Phial every season I'm gonna kms

shy dust
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If you loot it week 1

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At max ilvl from vault ofc

stoic needle
shy dust
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Speak it into existence

dark crag
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I didn't need pox and got it by accident

stoic needle
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It took me 8 plaguefalls to loot a Phial, I've done 8 more since then and gotten. 3

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Still only 1 low ilvl pox

dark crag
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I don't even get in pf keys

stoic needle
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Now I have a 226 mh so I don't need to farm a pox anymore

gusty mirage
stoic needle
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Rae is just toxicccc

visual prairie
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what is pox

stoic needle
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Poxstorm

gusty mirage
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Proc

shy dust
gusty mirage
shy dust
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I’m just stating that if you loot a max level one instantly you don’t need to farm it

gusty mirage
pale sphinx
limber lion
pale sphinx
limber lion
gusty mirage
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@limber lion tips on something to soak my tears on council prog so I can see my screen?

stoic needle
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So for my trial should I hard swap to attendants or keep pumping the boss

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Maybe I should ask the rl amonkaHmm

spice spire
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^

limber lion
gusty mirage
gusty mirage
limber lion
spice spire
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Rupture sniping peepochrist

stoic needle
clever vapor
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When using crimson tempest, I shouldn't spam it, just use it every 12 seconds right?

stoic needle
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Yep

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The only time you 'spam' it is when there are more than 8 targets and you want to get it applied to everything

final star
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And you're not using nightstalker

gusty mirage
leaden garden
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Is asa okay for keys?

timid coral
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yes

limber lion
final star
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Tyrannical is very good for assassination tbh

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When you're doing 20% more boss damage than everyone else easily

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And this week you can hard pump inspired mov

visual prairie
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eh I feel it's almost the opposite. on tyrannical weeks trash kill speed is still important and having no burst aoe hurts even more when the trash doesn't live as long

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it's like, we killed that boss 20 seconds faster than we would have if I was outlaw, but we got here 2 minutes slower

final star
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I run NS / MA

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Trash burst is fine

prisma perch
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dd on altimor or margore?

gusty mirage
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dd?

prisma perch
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daunt duelist

gusty mirage
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oh, probably the dog because it'll switch to altimor after the dog dies

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but then again sometimes it doesn't, I've had DD switch on council on me last night on some pulls

gloomy fern
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u only rupture margore anyway so throw it at boss

gusty mirage
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and other pulls it was like nope you're done

limber lion
lofty shell
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does DD actually swap mid combat if ur target dies?

limber lion
lofty shell
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never noticed it rlly, don't think i can see the debuff or stuff

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oh i can see it, never noticed it swapping around tho 😛 good to know

gusty mirage
# limber lion Yes

I'm curious where it goes when Frieda dies, because sometimes it'll go to stavros and then it'll disappear until we kill Stavros and reapply on Niklaus

dense bramble
prisma perch
eternal sleet
frail fossil
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i have so many questions about ur ui

tender notch
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2 kick trackers, for when you really need to know whos got a kick

gloomy fern
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maybe his right eye is hardstuck looking to the right

limber lion
frail fossil
eternal sleet
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XD

gusty mirage
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he wants the old kick tracker for the nostalgia and the new one for one that functions better

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duh

frail fossil
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target nameplate is also off to a random place on the screen

gusty mirage
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That may be the focus plate with the large option enabled

frail fossil
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mr u need to have some ui rework

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ah yeah that's focus

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mb

gusty mirage
#

the party frames and raid frames + 2 kick trackers are def highly sus

eternal sleet
#

atleast i win a award for worst ui 2021

#

:D

limber lion
#

A man's just enjoying playing Assa and getting roasted for his UI.

gusty mirage
#

nah there's def worse out there

limber lion
gusty mirage
#

for the love of your ram delete the old kick tracker tho

#

😛

dim temple
gusty mirage
#

new one shows spell reflect by default which is a nice touch

eternal sleet
#

oils this week

dim temple
gusty mirage
#

I got an 18 depths from my GV along with 5 options of hot garbage

#

(:

eternal sleet
gusty mirage
#

the one w/o the black background is the old one

#

the one you have closer to the center

scenic sandal
#

quick question does the opener change when you play with DS insted of vigor ? or same?

limber lion
#

But generation/finishing rules change after that.

clever vapor
#

Is crimson tempest a lot stronger than poison bomb for mythic?

limber lion
eternal sleet
#

poisonb those nothing in m+

clever vapor
#

Yeah M+

dim temple
limber lion
#

It's either Subterfuge or NS. If you play with Zoldyck, you go with Subterfuge. If you use the Master Assa legendary, you go with either.

dim temple
clever vapor
#

So doomblade is not used in m+ ?

tired falcon
#

It’s st so no

#

Unless you rly want prio dmg, but you lose a lot in aoe

limber lion
clever vapor
#

Cool thanks!

gusty mirage
#

Should I just craft my zold already? Or upgrade my doomblade to 235 that I'll inevitably regret because we'll down council and sludge and start progging SLG and I'll be sad

lament dove
#

what are you doing with NS? open with FoK and vanish into CT?

brittle pawn
#

you take mfd

#

which is gross

placid wharf
#

!guide

prisma monolithBOT
limber lion
#

Also, are you allowed to play Assa on SLG?

#

Because Sludge can take a week to progress by itself.

#

Or 2

brittle pawn
#

sin on slg KEKW

gusty mirage
#

I'd probably go outlaw for SLG anyway, and I have enough to craft r3 zoldyk now

#

I'm just worried I upgrade my doom and then the SLG shoulders drop for me and I just sit there sad

stoic needle
#

Did you craft doomblade shoulders keksquad

gusty mirage
#

but that's all on the assumption we even get to SLG and down it

#

I did, I had 226 gloves and 220 shoulders

#

it made more sense (:

limber lion
#

No worries buddy

stoic needle
limber lion
#

I made Zoldyck boots

#

That's even worse.

gusty mirage
#

I went with shoulders cause we were struggle bussing on destroyer and inerva still and didn't think we'd even get to council KEKW

limber lion
#

Yeh I made Zoldyck as well to push a little extra damage, but got greedy and upgraded them to 235 straight away

#

fucking kappa

#

I think I was rocking 200 boots and 220 pants so 235 boots made sense as well

balmy condor
limber lion
stoic needle
gusty mirage
#

yeah plus I had the pvp shoulders so upgrading crit/vers shoulders vs haste/vers hands also factored into my decision

limber lion
#

I hope we can scrap our legendaries in 9.1 or we get a huge boost in Soul Ash from Torghast so I can just make new Zoldy's and a new MA ring.

#

Not a fan of my Crit/Vers MA ring.

#

Made that as my very first legendary for Sub.

lament dove
#

^same here:)

balmy condor
#

Of my crit/vers MA ring

stoic needle
#

Imagine not having a vers/mast ma

#

For the biggest damage crits

#

And for peeveepee

prisma perch
#

does flagellation burst also in aoe with ct?

balmy condor
#

Flag is a single target debuff

#

But it does trigger from CT

stoic needle
#

The haste from it makes your dots tick more so it has non-zero value in aoe

prisma perch
#

my ilv logs suck I would love pointers

limber lion
#

Don't look at ilvl logs

prisma perch
#

but im ilv 206

fathom zealot
prisma perch
#

yes but the gameplay will not be diff

#

i mean my rota etc

balmy condor
#

Man the German translations are all so goofy

wary ice
#

i miss diet kojiyama ngl

limber lion
#

Honestly shouldn't look at ilvl parses and performance too much until you're closer to 220+ ilvl.

#

Also a 85 ilvl parse is perfectly fine.

limber lion
#

Poison bomb is apparently a giftbomb

round harbor
#

do i ambush from stealth or just go with mutilate?

limber lion
#

!mut

prisma monolithBOT
#

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

round harbor
#

ok

cosmic prism
#

in the situation where you just vendetta'd and another mob spawns, do i swap targets to DoT it or just keep pumping into the vendetta target?

balmy condor
balmy condor
limber lion
proper belfry
#

How does one open as assassination in pve? Is it worth getting dots running or can you just burst mobs down in the opener?

prisma perch
#

So i never line up flagellation? always on cd?

limber lion
limber lion
limber lion
proper belfry
#

Let’s take the trash mob

limber lion
#

But generally you want to put all of your bleeds up on as many targets as possible, especially if they live the whole duration.

proper belfry
#

Just muti and envenom?

limber lion
#

Then you can take those few combo points with you and cast SnD while you're stealthed toward the next mob

green forge
limber lion
proper belfry
#

Does muti hit for more than shadowstrike?

limber lion
balmy condor
green forge
#

alrighty then, ty

limber lion
balmy condor
#

You I’ll let you back it up any day

limber lion
echo cargo
#

@balmy condor bonk

balmy condor
echo cargo
#

Why are rogues always trying to hit it from the back smh pepehands

brittle pawn
#

because if you're melee and you don't you're a big dummy

clever vapor
#

Fellas, where can I see what mythic+ opener should I use with MA?

#

On packs

strange python
#

with Subterfuge?

clever vapor
#

yes

strange python
#

garrote 3 dudes into Fan till 5 combo points and then Crimson

clever vapor
#

Isn't MA kinda useless if I'm just wasting my 100% crit on garroting targets?

brittle pawn
#

thats why you take NS with MA

strange python
#

i dont know bro i dont use MA 😄

strange python
# balmy condor Yes.

When did that change? I thought you synced it up as long as you don’t lose a cast?

clever vapor
balmy condor
strange python
#

Ohhh

balmy condor
limber lion
#

hello whspyr can you help me myabe? i tried hitting target dummy for 5 minutes but i just cannot hit my sim dps

#

idk whats wrong

#

heres my sim

balmy condor
#

press your buttons harder

strange python
#

lol 😂

limber lion
#

i pressed them so hard i think one fell off

#

idk mannnn

balmy condor
#

I actually beat my 5 target 5 min sim on dummies earlier

#

was lit

limber lion
#

Damn

#

I tried the EP NS CT build on a +15 DOS today

#

And it felt pretty great

strange python
balmy condor
#

yeh I'm telling you

#

NS is pretty gud

limber lion
#

It felt a bit bad on some packs where the tank pulled 2 packs at once and then I had to afk for like 3s for the mobs to stack up

#

But other than that it's pretty sweet

#

I enjoy the MFD MA playstyle anyways quite a bit

#

NS just makes it that extra bit spicier

rapid tree
#

For raiding should we use Zold or Doomblade?

prisma perch
#

flagellation before vendetta or after?

prisma perch
rapid tree
#

So when is Zold good?

safe barn
#

dude

prisma perch
#

aoe but most play doom anyway look at the logs

safe barn
#

fan of knives really should work as shuriken storm

limber lion
limber lion
prisma perch
#

flag after vendetta?

limber lion
stiff mountain
#

i have the 2 macrod with a trinket feelslazy

pastel shale
safe barn
#

what niche lol

#

sub doesn't even have his "funnel" niche anymore

stoic needle
#

i mean it does

#

its just undertuned

#

slap a 20% aura buff on sub and suddenly everyone will be frothing at the mouth about how good sub's funnel is

limber lion
#

No, they removed the funneling from Shuriken Storm.

stoic needle
#

yeah but shuriken storm into evis is still funnel

shy dust
#

That doesn’t mean

#

Sub can’t funnel

stoic needle
#

it's not particularly insane funnel but it's still funnel

shy dust
#

Unless being able to get a max cp eviscerate

#

Every other global

#

Isn’t funneling

limber lion
#

Yeh, it still has funnel

#

But I think Misguided was talking about the particular funneling-feature of Shuriken Storm

stoic needle
#

no other rogue spec can do max cp finishers every other gcd except outlaw when you have BS+SNC

placid wharf
#

how do you guys play lady on m

#

do u put bleeds on big guy only

thin inlet
#

sin could with high crit

limber lion
#

You pummel the boss in ST and put bleeds up on adds.

stoic needle
#

cleave with rupture and garotte and blast the fuck out of inerva

limber lion
#

You put both bleeds on big guy, only ~~garrote ~~ small rupture on the small guy

placid wharf
#

oki ty

#

ur my best friends

limber lion
#

🙂

placid wharf
#

🙂

soft shale
#

2 prot palas

#

wow

uneven hamlet
#

yo ma guys,I saw this early today while I was trying to improve on my rotation, should I shiv>vanish>mut>envenom....or shiv>mut >vanish> envenom, I saw several people doing it on high parse logs and don't know if is based on some proc or stat stack

placid wharf
#

world first team

#

going to the moon

soft shale
#

on that fight as necro you can go double potency with the conduit it gives some dmg

#

the necro one i mean

dense bramble
#

do i run CT on verva?

stoic needle
dense bramble
#

lady verva

stoic needle
dense bramble
#

ok ty

stoic needle
#

the most satisyfing way is mut> shiv > vanish > envenom > mut > envenom because who doesn't love a fat envenom crit from stealth

muted ridge
#

Yo guys, is Blood Price Feintable in P3 Mythic Danny?

balmy condor
#

it's not feintable ever

muted ridge
#

So best strat could be to pop Crimson for it

balmy condor
#

or cloak I guess if you really have to

muted ridge
#

Oh nice, thanks

soft shale
#

danny is weird because elu is so good in theory

#

but then anything that will kill you cheat death would save you

limber lion
#

You don't have any other use for cloak and it helps your healers quite a bit

shy dust
#

Having cloak

#

for the overlap

#

is pretty nuts if youre night fae

#

you can soulshape into the red area as youre pulled in and just sit there with cloak and be fine

#

assuming you didnt get a bop ofc

soft shale
#

you can also venthyr gate there lul ahaha

limber lion
loud niche
#

cev

#

you 10/10 yet?

solar flicker
#

unless ur a vigor gamer i guess

prisma carbon
#

Is zoldyck still worth playing on Sire prog? I've looked through a bunch of logs and P3 damage seems to be about equal between Doomblade/Zoldyck players

stoic needle
#

yeah it is, the people playing doomblade are playing it on farm

#

you'll do more damage on average on prog with zoldyck during p3

pure niche
#

!guide

prisma monolithBOT
limber dagger
#

Hey guys, are we in a better spot now than before?

balmy condor
#

we're in the same spot we have been last week

limber dagger
#

Well i havent really played rogue / assa for the last couple of weeks or months

stoic needle
#

Assasination is doing better since 9.0.5 we received some legendary tuning and bug fixes/qol changes that put us in a very good spot

#

we are, as the kids say, 'blasting'

limber dagger
#

lmao

#

does that stand the same for m+?

gusty mirage
#

it performs well in m+ just not as good as outlaw

#

at higher key levels*

limber dagger
#

i see, and do we still use zoldycks in m+?

gusty mirage
#

yes sir

limber lion
limber dagger
gusty mirage
limber dagger
#

And im currently kyrian, will i get a huge benefit from going venthyr for m+ only?

limber lion
#

I would be so happy if I got any item from Sire

#

They're all actually so good

gusty mirage
#

you'd probably get more benefit from necro if you plan on focusing on m+ (it's bis for outlaw too if you want to multispec) but you can stay kyrian if you like it

#

The difference between covenants is small enough where it doesn't really matter, you can pick which one you like best

#

but venthyr is bis for ST for assa if I recall correctly

limber dagger
#

hmm okay

gusty mirage
#

the new bone spike rework is a lot of CP which is always good regardless of spec

limber lion
gusty mirage
#

and if you go venthyr you can spam venthyr with me and @stoic needle

stoic needle
limber dagger
#

how does bonespike work?

loud niche
limber dagger
#

ah im not kyrian im nightfae, switched it up lmao

gusty mirage
stoic needle
#

bone spike is like MFD but slightly less cp, but does a shit ton of damage and leaves a dot that benefits from our mastery and from zoldyck

gusty mirage
#

night fae is still really good for all specs as well, with the added benefit of being arguably bis for pvp

stoic needle
#

it's a great generator especially instead of mutilate in most situations

gusty mirage
#

soul shape is just a great mobility spell

loud niche
gusty mirage
#

aye after our last reclear we just started extending, and we're getting better at frieda and stavros. It's just when it gets to niklaus it's rough

#

I recon council dies next week though

#

reckon*

loud niche
#

yeah, we're ending up wiping on p2 stav most of the time because people don't listen enough lol

limber dagger
stoic needle
#

venthyr flag is like a miniature bloodlust

gusty mirage
#

in aoe venthyr's worse, but it does a lot of damage and gives us more haste

stoic needle
#

it hits like an absolute freight train

gusty mirage
#

it's super nice to have ST

stoic needle
#

and yeah gives a shit ton of haste

#

in the end it comes down to what you want to specialize in, aoe damage or single target damage

digital ravine
#

i was wondering does sbs works on doomblade leg?

limber dagger
#

btw would venthyr with exsan and MA work? 👀

stoic needle
#

it does but it doesn't make necro better than venthyr for ST

gusty mirage
#

exsang's just worse than alacrity unfortunately

stoic needle
#

it's worse than venom rush too

limber dagger
stoic needle
#

it's completely unsalvageable

gusty mirage
#

we had our exsang fun in 8.3, we just have to let it rest in peace

loud niche
#

@balmy condor hey, i'm sure you get this one a lot, but what should I sim a 226 IQD at % stat proc chance-wise?

limber dagger
balmy condor
#

idk like 90% is fine

loud niche
#

really? that often?

gusty mirage
#

yeah with the WA you can guarantee a high uptime on stats

limber dagger
#

how big is the difference between venthyr and necro in AoE and ST? Are there sims for it?

#

ah wait sims

balmy condor
limber dagger
#

are in the pins

#

ye

gusty mirage
#

Yeah, Whispyr simmed it all out for us 🙂

limber dagger
#

Thanks daddy whispyr

#

damn the difference is super small

loud niche
#

226 IQD > 226 skulker's FeelsBadMan I've passed that trinket up twice now for small upgrades not knowing it was actually worth a fuck

gusty mirage
#

yep, which is kinda nice if you prefer a covenant that's not venthyr

#

but I started out a vampire so I'm glad to be back home lol

limber dagger
#

because im trying to weigh in fun of the spell too

gusty mirage
#

I tested SBS on PTR a little at like 1 renown

limber lion
gusty mirage
#

it hits like a truck and its cool, but the new flag is SO much better than the old one

#

although I do miss combo point lottery sometimes lol

limber dagger
#

if i want loterry ima play outlaw 👀

stoic needle
#

sbs does seem like a lot of fun

#

if i ever start doing super high keys i'd consider swapping

gusty mirage
#

esp if you raid with another rogue

stoic needle
#

but i prefer the venthyr mog

limber dagger
#

sbs?

gusty mirage
#

I watched Vaughn do SLG, and he cast bone spike like 92 times

#

cuz of the weird interaction it has lol

limber lion
#

I'm so sad

gusty mirage
#

when him and seli bone spiked an add and it died it was refunding 2 charges

limber lion
#

We wiped on SLG at 0.8%

stoic needle
limber lion
#

If we had killed it, I would have gotten a r6 parse as Outlaw

#

With a 220 weapon

#

And no understanding of Outlaw whatsoever

midnight sierra
#

does anyone know if u can farm just tussle tonks in the mechagon dungeon? he's got a sick dagger im trynna get

stoic needle
gusty mirage
limber lion
#

glowy button?

#

press

limber dagger
#

do we use CT on tyrannical weeks?

limber lion
gusty mirage
#

play quickdraw so you maximize your glowy button press guideline

balmy condor
limber lion
gusty mirage
#

Good man

limber dagger
limber lion
#

QS is one button too many

limber lion
gusty mirage
#

trash damage matters even on tyran week

limber dagger
#

eventho we dont press it in ST?

#

aight

limber lion
#

We do press it in ST though?

gusty mirage
#

if you're talented into it you press it in ST

limber dagger
#

wait we do now?

loud niche
#

Always/

limber lion
#

We always have

limber dagger
#

holy shit so much have changed since i played rogue

limber lion
#

We've been pressing it in ST in 8.3 and in 9.0

limber dagger
limber lion
#

We thought initially that we wouldn't press it because we lost the 70%+ haste that made it more worth to press

#

But it's still worth it

loud niche
#

big dam

limber lion
#

We don't talent into it in ST though

#

Don't get that twisted

limber dagger
#

yea i get it

loud niche
#

poison bomb > CT

limber dagger
#

do i even press it with low haste?

limber lion
#

Ya

gusty mirage
#

yea

loud niche
#

A L W A Y S .

limber dagger
#

👀

gusty mirage
#

Maintain bleeds, keep up CT, envenom in between

loud niche
#

lol, i dont, i doubt it's good to. just keep dot up

#

i was just kidding around cuz cev answered you with always like 3x

limber lion
#

But yeah, you use CT in ST outside of Shiv windows.

limber dagger
#

ye im memeing too

#

oi thanks for answering all my questions!

gusty mirage
#

that's what we're here for feelsloveman

limber lion
limber dagger
#

aaah one more question, do i need to keep up the attack speed buff i forgot the name off?

limber lion
#

Yes, Slice and dice

#

All the time

limber dagger
#

is the uptime with envenom enough to not worry about it?

gusty mirage
#

in ST it won't be an issue because blizz brought back the cut to the chase passive to envenom where it naturally adds time onto SnD

limber lion
#

Yes sir.

limber dagger
#

awesome

limber lion
#

In M+ you press it between packs and in raid you press it once in the beginning and never again

limber dagger
#

alright thanks

limber lion
thick lodge
#

hows assassin in pvp?

limber lion
royal lantern
#

pvp omegalul

raven hollow
#

Sin pvp is fun, and I don't like pvp

#

🤷‍♂️

frail fossil
compact pumice
#

Yeah it's hella fun. You never feel weak like you do as sub between CDs

frail fossil
#

not the same as sub but it's rly good if u know how to play it

#

i mean raz fucking owning in 2s as assa

raven hollow
#

Yeah it's constant pressure instead of unhealable burst

compact pumice
#

when you shiv though you do have kinda unhealable burst

raven hollow
#

But with a silence 🔕

shy dust
compact pumice
#

Esp if you have vanish and MFD up

#

In a smoke bomb

split furnace
#

/io

#

/op

shy dust
#

well yes

#

a healer cant heal into a smoke bomb

#

so by that sense

#

its unhealable damage

raven hollow
#

Every class has unhealable dmg, just LoS lul

random nest
#

!ambush

prisma monolithBOT
#

Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message

limber dagger
#

anybody uses plater and has a good profile for it ? 👀

stoic needle
limber dagger
#

what are the different colours for?

stoic needle
#

Purple is when it's in execute range, blue is if it's a dangerous mob that needs to be prioed or kicked in m+, red is if it's aggroed onto you I think? You can look through the settings and see all of the different ones

#

I think there's a color change for when dots are in pandemic as well

gusty mirage
rancid blaze
#

I have a quick question I have Macabre Sheet Music trinket and it's simming over my other trinkets at equal or higher item level. Is this thing good or what? I wanna trust the sim but not sure

limber lion
#

The numbers are correct but it's awful to play with

stoic needle
gusty mirage
rancid blaze
#

ahh ok i have hateful chain, stone legion trinket and skulkers and memory all only 213 except for stone legion trinket

pure osprey
#

How important is Flagellation to Assassin? Is it mandatory to swap to venthyr as assassin?

frail fossil
#

no

#

necro is rly good too

#

nf is fine too

void pecan
#

All of them except justice warriors are great

pure osprey
#

ty

slim kernel
rancid blaze
#

Ok thanks alot. The next best simming trinket is hateful chain so ill roll with that

odd python
#

Any assasins

#

Progressing denathrius mythic and willing to share logs ?

arctic cloud
#

Believe in the 2x equipped leggos in 9.1

drifting cloud
#

keep believeing its not happening

arctic cloud
#

Am I mad to think. A rogue could possibly benefit from bringing a 3-5% crit chance aura?

#

Maybe not 5

#

That’s insane but 3

limber lion
#

What do you mean?

turbid geyser
#

hey i recently came back to the game and am trying to get the first legendary on my rouge. is the recipe drop chance from thorgast not 100%, starting with lvl 3?

arctic cloud
#

Something like devo aura

limber lion
#

Ah right, as a raid buff

arctic cloud
#

But ‘crit’ I guess

#

Yeh I dunno I

#

I’m just speculating

limber lion
thorny rose
#

aka completed the prerequisite quests

#

the quest immediately before the correct one also wants you to get “runecarvers memory” but it’s referring to a quest in the maw, which sometimes trips people up

hoary kernel
#

might be a dumb question. Do you wait for the envenom buff to go away before you cast another envenom? Or do you just let it rip?

balmy condor
#

yes

#

you pool on envenom

#

except in shiv/vend/flag

#

then you send

hoary kernel
#

thanks! Makes a lot more sense

molten shale
#

So reading the pins for Sin and Outlaw I’m using Heirmir so it’ll be impossible to switch back and forth in raid per boss for the 2 because I’m guessing both go for Gemstones so I have to change that potency every boss...

brittle pawn
#

Why would you switch per boss

molten shale
#

Cleave vs ST on the fights that need it

brittle pawn
#

That will never hinge on one person. Pick what you want to do.

azure marsh
#

just make one emeni its not a huge deal

brittle pawn
#

Or that

#

You went necro so you didn't care about optimizing single target sin, why bother drawing that line with soulbinds

limber lion
#

Damn IQD feels so good with the Master Assa talent. Unless you eat haste food out of habit which pushes your haste as your highest stat and you keep wondering why you're suddenly only getting haste from the trinket and not crit KEKhands

frail fossil
next solar
#

assass represent!(+15 Mists)

fa.PNG
frosty cedar
#

lets gooo

primal holly
#

@next solar is that overall?

next solar
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still need 2 more ranks of renown, im a necro boi btw

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yeah

primal holly
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Oh yea has to be

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6m lol nice

next solar
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marrowed gemstone is gonna feel nice

potent rune
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is venth or necro better for sin?

stoic needle
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4.8k mage WeirdLoop

primal holly
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Necro for m+. Venth for st I believe @potent rune

frail fossil
potent rune
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ty

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sry another question: does bonespike work with the doomblade leggo?

misty holly
balmy condor
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it does

potent rune
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nice ty