assassination

[dense bramble]

i already spammed 7 today

i saw 2 phials dropping to other people who wasn't trading it

[arctic cloud]

I have the phial if you need someone to trade

im EU though

[dense bramble]

i wanna

[dense bramble]

is that a possible thing?

[onyx wind]

grp name plaguefall 14 im exeuwu

u can sign

[lean rover]

what other trinket do you like to run guys in M+ (besides phial) ? iqd ?

[onyx wind]

battery

[dense bramble]

doesn't show up for me 😦

[onyx wind]

are u NA

[limber lion]

Memory, not my fav though

[dense bramble]

yea, but i do get invited to oce realms

[onyx wind]

ah ok im EU

sorry

[lean rover]

battery sounds interesting, gonna try to get that one.

[wary ice]

decanter also sims well but its never performed for me

[gusty mirage]

I feel if they expanded the width of the cone it'd make it a more viable trinket

[lean rover]

definitely not a big fan of iqd. Sims high but in practice there is only a thing that fucked up the proc xD

[wary ice]

IQD is my second least favorite trinket in the game

3 minute CD, awkward to use, Insanely good

[limber lion]

You either hate it or you love it

[stoic needle]

Iqd non-believers

[wary ice]

sorry i forgot SKULKERS exists

[compact pumice]

I got 226 IQD in vault, simmed the highest upgrade, but didn't take it since I prefer going with Skulkers/Phial even

[stoic needle]

Every day I pray for iqd in vault

Imagine wanting to use skulker's over iqd

[wary ice]

honestly weird af

[compact pumice]

IQD also pretty bad for outlaw

which was my only spec at the time

[stoic needle]

How

[wary ice]

IQD has a verse steroid doesnt it?

[stoic needle]

It's whatever your 2 highest stats are

Or guaranteed to be your highest with lust

[wary ice]

so it wont ever be mastery on outlaw unless you're WAY too cool

[compact pumice]

It will just be some healers mana

😛

[wary ice]

Better than being a kamekazi into tentacles 😦

[stoic needle]

Imagine helping your group

[lean rover]

haha this

[stoic needle]

You know there's a weakaura to predict the affect

[lament dove]

I choose something else over a 226 IQD from vault:)

I hate long CDs

[soft merlin]

Is assa playable in m+ or is it much behind outlaw?

[compact pumice]

If you play and enjoy both equally Outlaw will do more damage overall, but Assa more ST damage

[wary ice]

Depends on what you define as plyable

Every spec can be used through KSM no problem

Probably every spec can hit 20s tbh.

(in the game not just rogue)

[soft merlin]

True, but I mean in general. The meta is outlaw for a reason. How far behind is assa?

[lament dove]

outlaw is 1K less dps for me lol

[compact pumice]

I think it sims 1k behind on Dungeon Slice

[wary ice]

Outlaw has more reliable CC in that it doesnt need to use its damage cooldowns for access to stun, has gouge and doesnt need to hold another dps cooldown for de-rages

[compact pumice]

I'm also getting around 1k less overall

[wary ice]

Its also got fatty cleave and respectable CD agnostic single taret

Assa has great AoE but terrible burst aoe. and insane burst ST

IMO outlaws the better spec, but both are good

[lament dove]

I guess I could have an entry in guiness book of world records for doing so much less dps with outlaw or something

[stoic needle]

I don't understand how you do less dps as outlaw man it's so easy

[wary ice]

1k dps sounds like you're playing DS poorly lol

[soft merlin]

I play 21+ keys, but I play hpala. But I played assa last exp, enjoy it more then outlaw.

[stoic needle]

You just press rtb and SS+dispatch+bf

[compact pumice]

Oh wait, I meant my Assa is 1k behind

[soft merlin]

But I wanna play assa, instead of outlaw. So what covenant and what legendary?

[wary ice]

I was refering to @lament dove i didnt even see you

[compact pumice]

I can't imagine doing more dps as assass unless there's a dungeon with only big mob cleave fights 😄

[wary ice]

Assa can pump in Mists

2 big pulls, 1700 cleave pulls, 2 big pulls

[stoic needle]

And halls

And spires

[wary ice]

All true

[stoic needle]

But tbh anywhere that sin pumps outlaw pumps also

[soft merlin]

For m+, should you play necro or venthyr as assa?

[compact pumice]

And then you just dotted things and they're dead due to the mage or druid :S

[stoic needle]

Doesn't matter, they're both good

[wary ice]

the choice depends more on your group

If you have no necro go necro, same with ven

[soft merlin]

True. Necro it is then. What legendary is best for m+ then? MA?

[wary ice]

My personal order is zoldyk>MA>The single target one i cant remember the name of Doomblade

I think MA probably sims higher than zoldyck

But IMO, it makes you too reliant on restealths and makes you really wnat to stack your vanish + vend. One of the nice things about not having SS is that it no longer feels bad having them desynced w/ subt

MA is also absolute DOG on spiteful weeks, though that ends tomorrow

[soft merlin]

Thanks bro!

[wary ice]

I believe the pins also have sims for cov and leggos in both content types

[lament dove]

I prefer Zoldyck over MA as well

[wary ice]

if you want to review them yourself

[balmy condor]

What are pins, sorry new rogue

[wary ice]

They're the thing i read to people so i sound omega smart :^)

[balmy condor]

I see understandable :^)

[pallid spear]

watching at pins is cheating

everyone knows that

[lament dove]

I prefer pinups to pins

[lean rover]

i've put a post-it on my screen to avoid clicking "by mistake"

[pallid spear]

Amazing idea

should be pinned

[signal grove]

I just switched to venthyr, and i'm wondering which potency conduit i should go with for m+ and raid?

[pallid spear]

Lashing scars

at least for raids, fine in mythic+ too

[signal grove]

what would be the best for mythic+?

[soft merlin]

Last thing 😄 Stats for assa in m+?

Crit/haste? Crit/vers?

[signal grove]

crit/haste if i remember correctly

[pallid spear]

Prolly double potency and adding Poisoned Katar (the FoK one)

[signal grove]

thanks!

[pallid spear]

and playing theotar

[iron orchid]

actually Poisoned katar is quite meh, if you go double potency, going for LP+LS is probably a bit stronger

there's not many situations where poisoned katar is much more valuable than LP

[balmy condor]

Katar ain’t that bad tbh

[soft merlin]

Katar for m+ for sure atleast

[balmy condor]

I know I’ve shit on it a lot

But it seems fine

[pallid spear]

Well katar does sim pretty fine and ppl pushing m+ play it afaik

[balmy condor]

Something something extra cp with venthyr

I think it sims lower for necro

[iron orchid]

I think overall it still lacks something over the course of a dungeon

I guess if you play those weird NS MA builds, a FoK can hit hard

[balmy condor]

Yeah I mean you can definitely swap it out

[soft merlin]

highest rio score on assa is 2.1 and outlaw 3.3

[balmy condor]

It’s not huge

[soft merlin]

SADGE

[balmy condor]

But neither is LP

[signal grove]

so if I had to run 1 potency would it be lashing? or just whatever sims best?

[balmy condor]

Lashing for sure

[pallid spear]

Crit > vers usually, guess u have to sim if u want an exact answer

[iron orchid]

no hesitation here

[signal grove]

and nadjia is the best correct? or would theotar be viable?

[balmy condor]

Both are fine

[pallid spear]

nono go theotar

[balmy condor]

Theotar is a little more aoe

[pallid spear]

prolly depends on affixes too

[balmy condor]

Nadjia you run double potency

[iron orchid]

Can't decide if I stay necro or go venthyr

[balmy condor]

If you want to run duelist for tyrannical that’s fine too

[pallid spear]

Dont you run double potency on theotar aswell?

[balmy condor]

Would run wasteland probably

[pallid spear]

Im pretty sure ive seen the high assa rogues go for theotar and double potency

[iron orchid]

I just wann test things, but having to do the 2 reset quest if i wanna go back makes me want to cry

[wary ice]

for m+ its lashing wasteland

[balmy condor]

I mean they can

[wary ice]

and you do double potency i would take Lethal Poisons over Katar 9/10 times tbh

[balmy condor]

There’s nothing wrong with any of the choices

Because they literally have no impact

As long as you go lashing

You’re good

[pallid spear]

Yea I guess

[spice spire]

Reset quest deadass isn’t bad tbh. Just run a normal dungeon in that zone once or twice and you have it for the weekly

[balmy condor]

Could go duelist

That’s fine too

[spice spire]

Run it on the day before reset > then go to do it again on reset day

[balmy condor]

Like you actually won’t notice a difference

I guarantee it

[gusty mirage]

yeah 2 normal runs gets you to like 96%

[wary ice]

i think they made it so you cant cheese it like that now quake

[iron orchid]

I guess that's okay

[wary ice]

its a 1 week timer independant of the weekly reset now

[pallid spear]

+1

[soft merlin]

go venthyr, better in pvp and healers in m+ dont have to go venthyr ;D hehe

[spice spire]

Is it?

That’s an oof

[wary ice]

i remember seeing a patch note about that but i could be dreaming

[gusty mirage]

when did that get implemented?

[wary ice]

with 905 i think

lemme find it

[spice spire]

It has to have been since 9.0.5 - I did it that week

[gusty mirage]

I did the before reset then on reset on 9.0.5 launch

[spice spire]

Like week 1 I was NF - did it on the following Monday and swapped to venthyr on Tuesday

[gusty mirage]

so it might've been a hotfix that came out after idk

[pallid spear]

I swapped backto venthyr 1 week prior to patch 9.0.5 and i had to wait for weekly reset still

[gusty mirage]

I did the return quest to venthyr on sunday and on tuesday I did the 2nd one

[pallid spear]

something like that happened to me aswell

i think its been saturday and new quest on wednesday(europe)

perfect prep would be getting all cov's to renown 40 before the new raid opens 8-)

[brittle pawn]

I just did all the wq and treasures in the zone and that filled it

[pallid spear]

1 quest /chest is 8% no?

[gusty mirage]

I did a profession WQ and just ran halls twice, took me about 25 minutes

[verbal knot]

Do you guys put garrotes on the adds on mythic Inerva or is that overkill

[brittle pawn]

Something like that. Maybe a couple rares, too

[gusty mirage]

It definitely isn't as bad as it first seems

which is nice

now if we could do something about the conduit energy system 😠

[pallid spear]

only on the big one

[brittle pawn]

Why would that be overkill

[pallid spear]

because wildspirits kill the small ones in 3 seconds D:

[verbal knot]

@brittle pawn might not be if you put on one add i guess

[wary ice]

i might be trolling i cant find it

[slender urchin]

Do trinkets scale off your own crit?

Minus MA

[brittle pawn]

Our caster adds get to 2-3 casts and we have 3 hunters

[gusty mirage]

same thing happened to me w/ reading that cto conduit or something being hot fixed and couldn't find it after I searched for it and I could've sworn I read it on wowhead

[brittle pawn]

They don't hold wild spirits for add cheese though

[wary ice]

yes

[wary ice]

yeah i cant find that either

😦

[spice spire]

Smh, this is a very serious discord 😡

Tbf I’m pretty sure you can cheese it, but not certain, so it could have been one they slipped in somewhere

[wary ice]

100% you were able to for a while

if not still able to

I swapped back to venthyr w/ cheese the week of 905

i think the change was like the 12 or something

like the week after

[nova flax]

in a 2 target situation, is it more beneficial to use SBS instead of mut in ur MA window after vanishing

[stoic needle]

i dont think so

[nova flax]

gives same amount of CP and hits twice as hard

[compact pumice]

Mut gives 4cp with MA

also 2x chance to proc poison

ngl I'm not sure in this particular case since I haven't checked it due to being venthyr

[tawdry moon]

Should I level as assasination or outlaw?

[nova flax]

id say outlaw.. more mobility and survivability

[nova flax]

i see u.. 4 cp assumig they both crit.. im jsut thinking that sbs hits for 4k compared to mutilate's 1.5k

[tawdry moon]

Ty ❤️

[compact pumice]

I usually just refer this (this is for ambush so might be different)

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[nova flax]

doomblade too i guess

hmm

[compact pumice]

You can just sim it, see what the bot does

[nova flax]

i wil lsay whikle venth haste is nice, necro turns the class into a hard funnel lmao.. was getting like 6 envenoms per shiv window with good SBS usage on sire last night

[stoic needle]

did you say 6 envenoms per shiv window?

[quasi ledge]

I would say it's better to SBS. It's not like the Ambush/Mut difference as combo is the same and it even saves energy. The only change in the logic is if Doomblade wasn't up on the target, then use Mutilate. If it is, use SBS

[nova flax]

yeah.. sbs 15 energy and generates like 4-5 CP if u ahve it on enough targets

[quasi ledge]

Overall, barely makes any difference

[stoic needle]

i think it depends. if you have sbs stacks up on other targets so taht sbs gives you 4cp guaranteed its better than mut but not before that. so maybe not in the opener but after vanish could work

[quasi ledge]

That's the situation we talking about, in 2 target cleave for the Vanish

[nova flax]

yeah im saying in a 2 or more target sitauation i think sbs is worth in the MA window over mut

not on ST

[quasi ledge]

Definitely Mutilate for the opener

[lyric onyx]

What is sbs?

[compact pumice]

Serrated Bone Spike

[stoic needle]

the idea of sin being a funnel spec is so funny to me

[lyric onyx]

Ohw

[stoic needle]

do you have a log?

[compact pumice]

SBS sounds kinda fun to use

[stoic needle]

i'd love to see how much dps you did in that period

[nova flax]

id have to go fishing for it lmao

gimme a sec

[limber lion]

I would actually prefer if SBS was the go-to for Assa.

[stoic needle]

noooooooooo

i don't want to be stinky

[limber lion]

But then again it would be kinda filthy to play with M+, not sure if worth.

Yeaah, I just like the ability. It fits in more to the kit.

[lean rover]

and having to fly over a ... well a fly

[stoic needle]

i mean being able to play M+ with vigor/deeper and sbs sounds amazing

[compact pumice]

I would prefer it for ANY coventant to be bis for all rogue specs

[limber lion]

Venthyr just does big deeps

[wary ice]

subterfuged Garrotes is the only AoE rogue gets for like 30 something levels tbh

[limber lion]

But SBS actually scales from mastery, benefits from zoldyck, works on doomblade etc.

[compact pumice]

So I can roll one without looking at the grass on the other side

[wary ice]

consider assa for that alone

[stoic needle]

this was how it was previously with night fae and it sucked

having one covenant be bis for everything is by far the worst scenario

[compact pumice]

No I loved it.

[stoic needle]

theres nothing good about having no meaningful choices to make

[compact pumice]

I just feel gated from playing the "bis" combo

[wary ice]

re: SBS > mut

[stoic needle]

you're overrating how much a 2% difference is

[hollow chasm]

any kind soul want to tell me what I'm doing wrong here?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/x8KVWBkFMJbCnTD7/#fight=23&type=damage-done&source=16

[wary ice]

SBS is a lot of impact damage looking at logs

like higher than envenom high

then again the highest parsing assa in NL is running subt and doing 3x garrotes on his vanishes

so maybe its not the whole story

[slender urchin]

How much does SBS hit for

I’ll never be a rotten ghoul

[wary ice]

thats on huntsman specifically

so roughly the situation we're discussing

highest MA using necrolord assa rogue

[compact pumice]

Hmm, I would think SBS only factors in for the last hit if only two target cleave garrote thingy, right? Else 3x garrotes on fresh targets still best?

[wary ice]

logs have it at ~12-15k avg.

As far as i know we're talking specifically in 2 target cleave with MA is it better to SBS > Mut in the MA window as your builder

and My argument is "env->sbs->sbs" is probably he msot damage in a MA window

and that seems to be true based on the 2(count em, 2) logs ive looked at so far.

[balmy condor]

Cringe as fuck holy

[wary ice]

😦

It parsed well 😦

[balmy condor]

It’s not optimal tho

[wary ice]

oof

[balmy condor]

You don’t sbs during MA windows

[limber lion]

Peen parsed great as well and his rotations were from the depths of hell

[frail fossil]

wait peen is not good

[limber lion]

A gcd or two won't make or break the spec/parse.

[wary ice]

bro i just gotta learn how to edit the APL tbh 😦

im tried of napkin math->wrong-ing

[limber lion]

Peen is awful.

[frail fossil]

wtf i even have him as emote bro

[balmy condor]

To be fair, after 9.0.5 the difference looks really close

But it was giga bad during 9.0.2

[limber lion]

https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/wiki
Have at it

[limber lion]

[compact pumice]

Wait he shived after vanish+MA alreayd over... Should I not hold it even if it's in the Vend window?

[stoic needle]

DELETE

[frail fossil]

[stoic needle]

[frail fossil]

no meme tho are his logs weird ? idk was just a meme with friends in my guild cuz he was the only guy playing assa early on

[wary ice]

I'm assuming your accounting for the 2 target cleave in this scenario yeah

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[limber lion]

Yeah his gameplay was not really optimal. He would do garrote - rup - garrote openers with subterfuge and open from Ambush

[balmy condor]

I’ll double check though

Might be some target jank

[wary ice]

❤️ thanks

[wary ice]

ask fuu dude ive been trying lol

[frail fossil]

wait u're not supposed to do garrote rupt garrote

[limber lion]

Hell no

[wary ice]

not anymore nah

witohut SS its not worth the early refresh

[frail fossil]

i still be livin in bfa

[stoic needle]

doomblade shoulders

double garotte opener

who are you

[frail fossil]

yeah was played like that for like half of 8.3 bro

haven't touched subterfuge since

[drowsy snow]

bring back shrouded suff

[stoic needle]

not gonna lie tho this 6 envenoms in the shiv window got me thinkin'

[winter spruce]

hey guys, i'm trying to get a dagger from m+, which one is the best for assa? MOTS?

[limber lion]

From M+, yeah the Mots one is pretty good.

[winter spruce]

nice!

[limber lion]

Mythic Sire dagger is bis of course. But, well, you know.

[lethal flame]

does recuperater conduit work with envenom refresh snd?

[winter spruce]

hahahaha one day in the future maybe

[lethal flame]

or only first snd use?

no orbs to test lmao

[rose lichen]

I see a lot of haste/verse doomblade, is that just because people want to use them for pvp too? or does crit lose value to verse at a certain gear level?

[lethal flame]

pvp for sure

[balmy condor]

Cause you can’t fit 6 envenoms in a shiv window? Or what

[balmy condor]

Have you read the faq in the pins

Specifically at the bottom?

[stoic needle]

there isn't a significant difference either way

[rose lichen]

okay so just make haste/verse if i pvp too pmuch

[compact pumice]

He said he could with Env>Sbs>repeat

On multitarget

[stoic needle]

apparently you can do 6 envenoms in shiv as necro. have you ever done that? i sure as fuck can't as venthyr

[balmy condor]

It’s not possible

[lethal flame]

@balmy condor thnx

[balmy condor]

Like you need an mfd reset for it

[stoic needle]

SBS gives 4-5cp on sire denathrius

because of 🍝

and i assume he's not running deeper

[balmy condor]

You can envenom,mfd envenom, sbs, envenom, sbs, envenom, sbs, envenom, sbs

And then shiv is done

Idk where we’re getting 6 from

Or where you guys are getting magical gcd’s

[stoic needle]

i asked to see a log and he said he'd go look for one

[balmy condor]

Yeah I mean if it’s mfd resets

Then it’s possible

But then should be talking about 9 envenoms in a shiv window

[compact pumice]

[balmy condor]

But like even to make 5 possible, you need mfd

So we’re probably looking at 4

And then for that, you would need to either play MA and mut, or use bugged sire for cheese with holding a bunch of sbs charges

So like we’re looking at 3, possibly cheesing 4

Not 6

[gentle gyro]

3 sounds pretty avg to me

4 if you're lucky

[odd flax]

MA talent still works with weapons in NW?

[balmy condor]

Nop

Never has

[gentle gyro]

only legy workd

and that got fixed

[supple pelican]

Legendary did talent didn’t

[odd flax]

I see

[compact pumice]

BTE works though I think, as OL

[balmy condor]

Jpc

[dense hamlet]

[slow marsh]

So during shiv window we should just slam envenoms and not worry about pandemic right ?

[balmy condor]

Correct

[supple pelican]

Shiv time is pump time

[slow marsh]

That's what I figured.

[supple pelican]

envenoms with shiv

dots into shiv

[compact pumice]

do you hold shiv with 5cp to redo garrote if it's on line 4s left when shiv is ready?

[slow marsh]

Let rupture fall off during shiv ?

To slam envenoms?

[balmy condor]

You cast shiv if it’s not on cooldown

[supple pelican]

depends on the target health but generally yes

[slow marsh]

Only hold shiv if cds are up in 15 sec I believe

[balmy condor]

Any question can be answered with “is shiv on cooldown?”

And if the answer is no

You hit shiv

[teal bloom]

What would you recommend as the two first row talents at Altimor? Bs+ma, ep+sub or some other combination?

[supple pelican]

whispyr don’t reveal the apl secrets

[compact pumice]

Nah keep dots up, but don't refresh pandemic afaik

[supple pelican]

[balmy condor]

The only time is holding shiv for 12 seconds

For vendetta

[slow marsh]

12 sec yeah not 15

Mb

[stoic needle]

ep+subt

[balmy condor]

Ep sub

[teal bloom]

Is ep worth when I can't dot the second dog usually because it is tanked far away? Idk if that's what everyone does but ep feels bad against 1 target

[pine plinth]

What does the conduit tree look like for venth sin? I just switched and I want to get an idea for raid.

[wary ice]

Tricks the tank that gets it shadow step to 2nd dog, garrote->mut to 5->rup sprint to altimer

[dense hamlet]

lashing into dauntless

[pine plinth]

Sweet. Appreciate it.

[wary ice]

tank should be bringing him in after shades

reapply then

[dense hamlet]

we even bring it in with the shades man big dam

[thorny pond]

Tell your healers you need to parse and they need to heal more

Then demand the PI

[balmy condor]

If you’re not stacking any of the dogs your raid got some issues

But yeah you wouldn’t play ep in that case I guess

[teal bloom]

We are stacking the first and third but the second is far

[balmy condor]

But even with 2 dogs being stacked

[dense hamlet]

yeah would u imagine that

[balmy condor]

That’s fine

You still have 2 targets for most of the fight

That makes EP giga

[dense hamlet]

tell ur tanks to look at dbm and read the timers its not that hard

[gloomy fern]

imagine having the energy to swap talents between bosses

[dense hamlet]

like timing rip soul and shades isnt that hard

[balmy condor]

Soz, only know taunt on 2

[wary ice]

in total fairness most tanks just sleep through raid night anyways

[teal bloom]

That's not probably optimal strategy but it's just heroic so it has worked so far :D not good for parsing for sure

[dense hamlet]

i even did it in lfr man

with my 170 vdh

[balmy condor]

Doing the fight properly in lfr?

Giga

[dense hamlet]

imagine that ppl run and chase it till shade spawn and then attack the shade insta

[balmy condor]

Still LFR brains

[teal bloom]

Why wait when no one would cc anyway 5Head

[balmy condor]

True

[gusty mirage]

They tried getting me to kidney shot a shade on our heroic sale last night

😂

I didn’t move from the boss, better hibernate boomies

[dense hamlet]

imagine pressing that must be a dps loss

[supple pelican]

10% gain is likely a gain if you dump into it

wrong shrug but yolo

[dense hamlet]

[fathom lynx]

Did you intend for this to rhyme

[pine plinth]

Another question.. We are currently progging council. If I go dauntless if I vanish does dauntless go to the next boss?

[marble magnet]

I hate dot classes.

Will I hate Assa?

[compact pumice]

In AOE, definitely, for ST maybe not

[dense hamlet]

why do u hate pumper classes

[marble magnet]

why not for ST?

[compact pumice]

It's just two dots, kinda easy to keep up, and doing banging Envenoms

[marble magnet]

my dots fall off

[dense hamlet]

fair

i wouldve guessed that aswell

its not that hard tho keep them up

bit practice

[marble magnet]

im pretty bad at spriest

[frail fossil]

u have 2 dots bro

[halcyon zealot]

not even practice u just press ur buttons

[dense hamlet]

i wouldve guessed

[frail fossil]

that is not very hard to keep up

just practice

[dense hamlet]

u know what

install WAs

[frail fossil]

if u not into slow spec assa is not for u tho

[dense hamlet]

and press the button when it glows

simple

[frail fossil]

Y E A P

[marble magnet]

it's just that outlaw is too fast for me

[dense hamlet]

outlawarrior as they say

[final ferry]

Excuse me guys, on my sim I see that even with subterfuge I should engage with garrote mutilate mutilate and not garrote ambush ambush, why is that?

[stoic needle]

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[dense hamlet]

ambush = bad on opener

garbaage

[karmic crystal]

But big number!!!

[dense hamlet]

yeah man those big numbers

but more behind the scene cp gains with mut tho

[loud trench]

Garrote for opener? Thought it was mut first

[karmic crystal]

What if I only have 1 global before the servers reset

Then can I press ambush???

[dense hamlet]

[final ferry]

The potential procs are better that the times 2 damages?

[stoic needle]

with blindside a mutilate is 1/4 of an ambush

[compact pumice]

Yes, but not with subterfuge

[loud trench]

Right

Sorry missed that

[compact pumice]

For MA its still Mut > SND > Mut

[dense hamlet]

procing blindside on first mut

[stoic needle]

its sick

[dense hamlet]

imagine having SBS bugged on phase 3 sire and getting perma 6 cp

holy shit

imagine not having all 4 covenants at the same time what a cringe smol company

[stoic needle]

imagine if in the later patches like

[cedar mist]

Guys, i leaved sub to go assa, and i've a question, wich are the perfect stats for assa? i've 450 crit | 485 haste | 178 mast | 650 vers right now

[stoic needle]

the jailer does some crazy shit and kills the arbiter, which shatters the balance of all of the covenants in the shadowlands

and we get to pick and choose between soulbinds and abilities with no restrictions

[dense hamlet]

i mean jailer can do what ever the fuck he wants

just gimme access to my covenants

like make it like talent and give it a hour or day cd

what the fuck is 2 weeks

[karmic crystal]

451 crit 486 haste 177 mastery and 651 vers

Anything above or below will be minus 60% dps

[stoic needle]

there are no perfect stats

[wise gull]

the perfect stats are whatever the sim tells you

[compact pumice]

Eh I think they might just take each specs most popular torghast power and make a 2nd legendary thing that resembles it

[dense hamlet]

i wish

atleast if they had the braincells to do that it would be cool

[cedar mist]

my sim says get crit and crit and crit

and haste

but i guess that there is a haste softcap

[compact pumice]

At a point the sims will tell you to get other stats

so just sim it each upgrade

[compact pumice]

I think they are just using Torghast as some testing ground for new abilities

[dense hamlet]

very nice and fun testing ground

[shy dust]

Perfect stats are whayever sims best for you

[final kettle]

hi guys, does anyone know, if I change covenant and it's upgrading a building at the moment, does it keep upgrading if I change back, or is the 10k anima lost?

[wind nacelle]

Prolly lost

Wait it out I’d say

[stoic needle]

flag became basically one of the flag torghast powers

so i wouldnt be suprised if more stuff made it out of torg

[brittle pawn]

Next up: fire blast becoming its power

Flying forever vs mage

[spice spire]

Shadow step 400% finishers when

[tawdry moon]

Im on a 50 boost tho, had the upgrade left and some bucks to spare 😄

[sweet zealot]

any wa or addon that helps u track bleeds and poisons on targets?

[stoic needle]

god yes

vein rippers legendary when

[stoic needle]

i recommend plater

the nameplate addon

[spice spire]

Also yes

[surreal briar]

maybe a stupid question but ambush from stealth or mutilate?

[marsh yew]

mutilate on opener

[surreal briar]

why?

[shy dust]

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[surreal briar]

thank you ❤️

[hushed sphinx]

what kind of theotar shade buff uptime are you all seeing in dungeons?

[vital crown]

Is there a big difference between using oils and stones?

I dunno never used it just stuck to nadjia

[compact pumice]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[wind nacelle]

Stones tend to be better in aoe situations where as shadow oil is ST based and works greatly with it’s corresponding potion

[still jetty]

assa necro pvp best soulbind?

[slim estuary]

I see Icy is still saying to use Zoldyck for all the nathria fights but I was watching the infectious gaming guide and he said Doomblade is best for most of the fights. What's happening?

[balmy condor]

Oh man

Okay

So zoldyck gives execute damage

Which is miles better in a progression setting

Doomblade is usually stronger right now as an overall single target

So while this will severely hurt me

And cause me physical pain

[loud light]

don't do it

don't say it

[balmy condor]

Infexious was gag

Hold on

Pffffff

Okay

Infexious was...r...right

[grim wolf]

lol

[spice spire]

You should go to the hospital for the vomiting that’s sure to ensue.

[normal mist]

Inf was 5 steps ahead of everyone else

[slow marsh]

I mean

it's not like whisp was saying that already a month ago when it was in ptr or anything

but it is appreciated that infex was right about something for once

[topaz saffron]

Throw enough darts and you'll hit a bullseye eventually

[rapid tree]

Do we not like Infex?

[tawdry moon]

Im making a rogue alt, is ventyr the play now if I want to go assasination for raids and outlaw for high keys?

[slow marsh]

Infex spreads misinformation all the time and leads many rogues astray

Dim you might want to look at necro

[rapid tree]

Oh good to know. Just started watching him

[slow marsh]

depending on how hard you're going in keys

[tawdry moon]

I want to get like 2.2 k and higher, but im also mythic raiding and assasination looks so good for pure single now

I reckon I prio raiding but optimally I will be great at both

[pale plank]

To be honest, assassin does pretty good ape

Aoe

[topaz saffron]

Sin AoE is consistent 👌

[pale plank]

Of course not on outlaw level but good enough

[tawdry moon]

Hm thats good, I mean I would have fun playing both specs I think

And having a feral main, M+ viabillity is what I appreciate 😛

[slow marsh]

You can do 15-18 fine as sin but when you start getting higher outlaw is for sure better

[tawdry moon]

When it comes to rogue

[pale plank]

What it is really good is that sometimes there are some ads that needs to be burn down, and assassin excels in that department in keys

[slow marsh]

But if your keys are just a fun side thing then i would say go venthyr

[subtle tundra]

how?

[tawdry moon]

Hm okay then rogue for keys it is, I want to do all 21 as a first goal

I have a group I could possible join

But with this in mind would you guys say necro or ventyr?

[sacred isle]

Go whatever buff your group is missing

[slow marsh]

Basically the difference between venthyr for raid and necro for keys is equal

roughly 200ish dps

so yeah

[sacred isle]

That will increase the dps more than your personal choice

[tawdry moon]

Hm makes sense

[slow marsh]

I would say yeah go with whatever group needs because you're going to be -200 dps on the opposite either way

[sacred isle]

Is the pinned sims updated for sbs changes tho? (Hasted)

Don’t remember the date simc was updated

[slow marsh]

yes everything is up to date

[strange python]

what talents do you run for sire if you have doomblade?

[slow marsh]

The pin is sbs with mastery, hasted and boosting doomblade

[glad narwhal]

Is the reason for picking finesse conduit on Nadjia the adversary 3% damage buff?

[slow marsh]

If you are running sire with doomblade you'll want to just go full ST

and ignore adds

[strange python]

roger that

[slow marsh]

garrote/ rupture one of them

but dont focus

just use it for energy regen

if you were zold it'd be diff but i dont think its worth if you're doing doomblade

[midnight thistle]

Did I read earlier during shiv windows you just combo generate into envenom and can let bleeds drop off?

[twin robin]

Guys i just droped sire trinket

Is it aby good?

For assa

[gloomy fern]

kinda relative to what you have and ilvl but yes its a good trinket

[shy dust]

no

you dont want bleeds to drop

[stoic needle]

How was he right?

[balmy condor]

doomblade is better single target technically

[stoic needle]

Oh did he say that in one of his guides

[dusty garden]

is there any really good assa streamers? High rank/high r.io etc.

[shy dust]

i heard uwulane occasionally streams

[gloomy fern]

self promotion

but he wanted a really good one

[odd kiln]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[stoic needle]

[dusty garden]

I mean "really good" one. Just looking for someone from a top guild who is pushing assassination right now

Doesnt have to be anything special

[stoic needle]

Dei

[shy dust]

so rank 3 asp isnt impressive

gotcha

[stoic needle]

https://www.twitch.tv/polyvalence_dei

[dense hamlet]

infexious

[stoic needle]

Delete this

[dense hamlet]

i meannnn

facts

[gloomy fern]

at least rank 4 next reset

[dense hamlet]

[dusty garden]

@shy dust link your stream

ill check it out

[dense hamlet]

what the fuck he has 26% haste

thats almost all my stats combined

[shy dust]

im done playing sin bro

[stoic needle]

The top sin rogue on my realm has 29%

[gloomy fern]

unlucky

[stoic needle]

[shy dust]

sub is more enjoyable

and doesnt have blatant buff padding

[dense hamlet]

true

i actually enjoy sub on council SS evis is fun

if it did dmg

[gloomy fern]

gotta hire a full time pi bitch

[solar flicker]

nah play sin another reset plz

i havent recleared in 2 months let me go off

wtb enhancement

[shy dust]

only thing i could do better would be a slg and artificer parse

but tis boring

[dusty garden]

this guy actually clicks stealth

wtf

[stoic needle]

And yet he's still a pumper

[royal lantern]

i click pots

[stoic needle]

We clown him for it all the time

[dense hamlet]

facts

click stleath = big dam

[spice spire]

Sometimes you gotta realize the truly egregious clickers are also the best gamers

[royal lantern]

true chads use /cast SkillName

for ALL abilitys

[dusty garden]

whats Uwulanes stream?

[solar flicker]

soowoolane 🔴

[woven needle]

Raiding without monk buff makes me sad

[grand depot]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[royal lantern]

tbf, sin probs gets more dmg from dh debuff

[woven needle]

Monk buff is like 240 dps for me

[marsh yew]

are you outlaw?

[shy dust]

i doubt it

auto's are a large amount of damage

[balmy condor]

@shy dust yeah what's uwulanes stream

[shy dust]

I do not self advertise so i say in dm's

not in channels

[balmy condor]

wow

so cool

[marsh yew]

on hungering destroyer if your garrote isn't in the pandemic timer but you need to start running for consume would you just refresh it anyways?

[balmy condor]

sure

seems fine

[grand depot]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[manic quartz]

Infexious was...r...right
@balmy condor right about what :o?

[balmy condor]

#assassination message

[raw oasis]

Subterfuge for m+ still yea?

[manic quartz]

Ahh, i've watched lot of his videos but never really followed his advice since you get it here aswell 🤔

[frigid kestrel]

Tf, if I get %25 + haste I’m playing Exsanguinate just because

[surreal halo]

Why so much hate for infexious?

[balmy condor]

cause he says a lot of dumb shit

[surreal halo]

Damn.

[iron orchid]

that shit hurts

truth hurts

[wanton reef]

Yup, opening with garotte on everything is nice

But it can also be used for cleave fights in CN with vanish if you bother respeccing back and forth

[dense bramble]

poisons are about 20% of my damage, while just bleeds are more then 30%. Not accounting autos and mutilates

[wanton reef]

I'm not sure if you can answer this question, but does raidbot sims take into account that you probably loose less CPs when using deeper strategem compared to vigor?

[balmy condor]

yes

but you don't actually lose less cp technically

[wanton reef]

But lets say I do a mutilate at 3 CP, and get one crit with it, that means I "lost" one potential CP 😛 If I ran deeper strategem I would be able to earn all 3 of those CPs from mutilate and utilize them

Or is there something i'm missing?

[balmy condor]

the situation where you mutilate on 3 with vigor

is the same situation where you mutilate on 4 with deeper strat

[fierce wind]

Why does deeper strat sim higher at better gear than vigor? 25% crit and 23% haste here

I’m getting a 50dps boost by swapping but it feels slow

[wanton reef]

interesting, because it does not for me. I'm at something like 24% haste 23% crit

[balmy condor]

because crit and haste, and venthyr indirectly, means that the extra regen from vigor is worth less than the extra damage from deeper

venthyr is a very big one

[fierce wind]

Yes I’m venth

[balmy condor]

if you're venthyr, you'll probably swap at much lower crit and haste values

[wanton reef]

I'm Necro, so that might be why

[fierce wind]

And only envenom on 5/6 on DS?

[balmy condor]

correct

[fierce wind]

Can you only fit in 2 envenoms within the shiv window then?

With deeper strat

[balmy condor]

most of the time, yes

[limber lion]

I came to check in and Whispyr is now an Infexious fangirl oh no

[balmy condor]

thats me

[fierce wind]

Thanks whispyr!

[limber lion]

Np Henny, glad to help

[balmy condor]

I'll ban you right now cev

[cosmic prism]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nzXj87rFc9CBDT2H/#fight=13&type=damage-done&source=13 you guys see anything wrong with my log? swapped to necro recently and noticed my parses are getting worse, not sure if its just that venthyr sin rogue is poomping way more or what

[wanton reef]

But the 5% increased damage to finishers from deeper applies regardless of nr of CP right?

[balmy condor]

yup

[limber lion]

Okay gotta go, bye guys

[dull cloak]

I havnt taken infexious seriously since beginning of legion when he led me astray on assassination

[wanton reef]

is there perhaps a weakaura that could count the amount of CPs lost to "overcapping"?

[balmy condor]

well the first thing is that it's wipe logs, which are actually meaningless

but also sludge is probably one of the more skewed fights in terms of covenant balance

venthyr will be slamming much harder on pillars

[balmy condor]

I mean, probably, but why would you care about that

[strange python]

[balmy condor]

if you're playing with deeper, you mut on 4, and if they both crit and you overcap 2 cp, so be it, unlucky

[wanton reef]

I'm just thinking that if I were to go deeper and still use my finishers at 4-5 CPs, then I would probably be able to utilize some CPs that were otherwise lost

[balmy condor]

there is no information that is useful to you that would be obtained by looking at overcapped combo points

as long as you still play like you normally would

[dawn ivy]

so long as you play correctly

[balmy condor]

here, I'll show you even. What covenant do you play

[wanton reef]

Necrolord 🙂

[balmy condor]

okay give me a little

[stoic needle]

How far our saviors have fallen...

[balmy condor]

as if I'd ever listen to that clown

[sullen pagoda]

hes rank 8 maut wdym

[balmy condor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kDFNmipNkvroQ3zViSZHuo

here's a necrolord profile

the top finishes on 5, the bottom finishes on 4

you can even see that it casts 7-8 more envenoms

[wanton reef]

I'm not great at checking sims, but was this with deeper or with vigor?

[balmy condor]

deeper

would you like me to check with vigor?

(I'll tell you right now that it's the same thing)

[wanton reef]

No no worries 🙂 I think I got the answer I needed

[storm forum]

would it be finish on 3 for vigor?

[balmy condor]

yep

[storm forum]

[balmy condor]

it's just inefficient energy usage

[fathom lynx]

Is there anything I need to think about when using Heirmir's Arsenal: Marrowed Gemstone? Like, do the sims line it up with abilities or is it just keep playing [just with more crit]?

[balmy condor]

nop

no think

only pump

[fathom lynx]

That's the answer I was hoping for. Thanks!

[balmy condor]

np

[undone eagle]

Dear assasins

If i run m+ with CT , Do i use it when there is only 1 target? Such as big mob or boss etc

Or is it more worth to spam envenom

[stoic needle]

Yes you should maintain ct as long as shiv isn't up

[undone eagle]

Alright So i wanna use shiv + spam envenom when my gar + rupture + CT is on the target

Cheers mate

[wide bolt]

keep shiv on cd and plan ahead enough that you dont need to refresh any bleeds while its running

[gusty mirage]

@balmy condor will you bless my vault with a 226 phial?

how many dollhairs do I have to give you to make it happen

[wide bolt]

dollhairs?

[gusty mirage]

just american currency, nothing to see here

[fervent mauve]

if I go into vanish with 5-6 cp and shiv applied, after I envenom should I mut twice or just mut then env in the MA window?

[balmy condor]

[balmy condor]

you generate until 5cp

[fervent mauve]

and if the mut crits still go 5cp?

[balmy condor]

4 is indeed less than 5

[fervent mauve]

ok ty, just wondered if the shiv'd envenom would be better

[balmy condor]

yup np

[dense hamlet]

man i realy like vigor imagine energy starving in opener yikes

the 50 dps diff can go straight into the trashcan

[umbral rapids]

Lmao duuude

[stoic needle]

imagine, for a moment

that

the slow rogue spec

is....

slow

[gusty mirage]

shut the front door

no way

[fierce wind]

@balmy condor is this the right assass opener with doomblade blindside/deeper strat for a fight like shriek? mut - snd - mut - garrote - rupture - mut - vendetta - flag - shiv - vanish - env - mut - mut - env etc.?

[balmy condor]

vend flag before rup

otherwise fine

[harsh sphinx]

so flag after the Garrote?

[balmy condor]

yes

[harsh sphinx]

👍

[storm forum]

can someone explain to me why we mut instead of ambush first global? The way I see it, we don't need the extra CPs cause we're just going to use SnD right after, so ambush should just do more damage right? I feel like I'm missing something here.

[compact pumice]

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[compact pumice]

Yes

[pallid spear]

yes

sometimes u can squeeze in garrote for the 6th cp but only if u actually need/want to refresh/apply it

[slate harbor]

what gives assassination execute? Just the leggo?

[balmy condor]

blindside

[slate harbor]

ah alrighty

[dawn ivy]

how good is that execute alone? i havent looked at how much dps it gives during execute

[thorny rose]

is this true in pvp as well?

[north nebula]

^ Was wondering this also. I use it from time to time if they're low and have low armor (mage). I also have nightstalker and MA legendary for max dmg.

[balmy condor]

probably not

[compact pumice]

Depends actually I think on the legendary etc too

[shy dust]

PvP is completely different

I think its damage is pretty good in pvp

[compact pumice]

With MA leg + subt, opening garrote+muti+Kidney+muti+rupture+shiv>etc is a nice opener

Or you could do garrote>amb>amb. Less CP but more burst

I like doomblade in pvp though so usually end up doing the latter, since it’s good burst and nets you 5cp for a kidney (if you didn’t open with mfd+KS)

[thorny rose]

when you use doom blade do you make an effort to mutilate multiple targets in, say, dungeons

[compact pumice]

Tbh you would need to make an effort to mutilate the same target, since you’re swapping all the time to put on rupture.

But, if you are only cleaving dotted mobs then I think the general strat is to mutilate the off target to keep poisons consistent with the autoattack+envenom target

(Unless you vendetta one target then mutilate that one, as well as envenom)

[thorny rose]

oh yeah good point

[compact pumice]

Well doomblade dot also increases targets envenom damage though, so need to keep mutilate it up on (both) all targets then tbh

[balmy condor]

no you don't

there's actually no reason to

[thorny rose]

as in the mut bleed isn’t significant enough to focus on? Or what

[balmy condor]

the bleed works like ignite

you don't lose any damage muting one target

[thorny rose]

ohhhh sick. That makes a lot of sense. Ty

[brisk drum]

do yall venthyr rogues save flag for pillars on sludge? or use on cd

[balmy condor]

yes

hold

[fierce wind]

save vendetta and vanish then too yes?

nvm

duh

[plain jewel]

Would I save flag for first pillar or use in opener

[balmy condor]

if you do 4 pillars

you pull 2/4

if you do 3

you cd on 1/3

[plain jewel]

Ah ty ty

[glacial kernel]

Anyone here tried out dashing scoundrel legendary?

[obsidian oar]

cheers

what legendary do you run in 2v2?

[woeful orbit]

Is there a haste threshold to hit to make deeper strat > vigor on ST raid fights?

[desert rain]

I actually don't understand that, can someone explain pls?

[brittle pawn]

The damage stacks up, it doesn't overwrite

So there's no pandemic window for it

Like spriest devplague

[desert rain]

Oh that's why you don't gain dps by multidotting with this bleed

Thanks

[stable moss]

does the faster bleed tick from extrangulate affect bone spike ?

like is it still bugged?

[balmy condor]

no they fixed that real quick

[stable moss]

bout to say i see alot of bone rogues

and was wondering if venthyr was cool or not

[balmy condor]

necro is just good

and it's m+ for outlaw

which is also cool

[ebon bramble]

but its better than venthyr tho right? 😉

[stable moss]

kindof wish i went that because i think they wil be better on SLG

[knotty grove]

!leggo

!legendary

Whats the best legendary for raiding atm? as assis? 🙂

[balmy condor]

have you tried

looking at the pins

for 3 seconds

[tacit forum]

Doomblade for pure ST

And Zoldyck for cleave/execute

[stable moss]

i have a 190 doomblade and my dps went up from my 227 sub pve set

feel bad about dropping my ilvl by 4 points but cool dps is cool dps

[knotty grove]

@tacit forum Thanks 🙂

[wanton path]

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[storm forum]

On Council of Blood Mythic, can we immune the dancing fever execute with cloak?

[civic trellis]

When you dont proc a single env crit with 80% crit rate at pilars

[lost sentinel]

wait, mutilate bleed damage stacks from that legendary?

[civic trellis]

Nope

[lost sentinel]

that is neat if true

[civic trellis]

You can immune the damage tho

[balmy condor]

it stacks on top of itself

[civic trellis]

But not the instakill when the buff expires

[lost sentinel]

cool

I think I am going to take the plunge, I always liked sin thematically

poisons and bleeds

[gusty mirage]

Don’t think, just full send it. Join us

We have free cookies

[lofty shell]

this aint the warlock channel sir

[jagged bobcat]

Wait so, If i Mutilate at the start and just SnD right after, Why does the combo point generation matter if Ambush does more damage?

[gusty mirage]

Nah real cookies man, not those pieces of green poo

[balmy condor]

alacrity, poisons, doomblade, blindside

[carmine fable]

Hey im rolling assa for mythic raid , im a nf rogue

which potency conduit should i be using?

[balmy condor]

the one that sims highest

usually wps

seems fine

[carmine fable]

ty ❤️

may look as a stupid question

but WPD at higher ilvl than 200

is unobtainable now right?

[balmy condor]

you can still get it from venari

but I wouldn't suggest it unless you really have nothing else to do with stygia

[carmine fable]

last time i bought one upgrade from venari it turned my 200 ilvl conduit into a 213 one , not a 226 one xd

is that working as intended?

[balmy condor]

yes

it randomly upgrades one of your lowest conduits 1 rank

[carmine fable]

sometimes i hate this game xd

[strange python]

Is there a huge difference between blindside and EP

I would sim but I’m in bed

[glacial kernel]

Just simmed it actually and got less than half a percent difference

[cold sparrow]

Hello, I have a question about the Bleed effect being applied by Doomblade. Does the Bleed effect scale with the damage done by the previous Mut? For example my Mut does 1000 dmg + 45% = 1450 total no crit.
If it crits, Mut will do 2000 dmg, but will the dot still be 450 (45% of 1k) or 45% of 2000 dmg because of the crit?

basically trying to understand why some people use Ambush in opener and some use Mut. Non crit Ambush should be better if it comes to raw dmg

But crit its +1 CP, Bleed, chance for free Ambush etc (well that also applies for non crit)
Edit: The people I compared all used same Talents (MA, DS)

[glacial kernel]

Honestly dont know, would need to test that

[strange python]

Must depends on which leggo you use though I imagine if you play Zold you get much more value out of BS

EP is a lot of fun

Big numbers

[cold sparrow]

Well I dont think it matters that much because if it comes to pure raw damage, Ambush should be better for that one gcd. But if RNG hits with free Ambush + Crit then Mut is definitly better to get into a faster Rupture/Rotation

[strange python]

Looking At some logs there saw a rogue use mfd to prepull SnD

And go straight into his dps

[balmy condor]

it works off the crit as well

[dire spoke]

@balmy condor du kleiner Schlawiner

[balmy condor]

zumindest lutsch ich kein schwanz

[oblique flare]

Ist das ein deutscher Kommentar?

[cold sparrow]

Thank you! (and that german :D)

[dire spoke]

Wie unhöflich

I Pool 80+ nrg before going into shiv Window, is this wasted time that could be mut

[balmy condor]

you should pool on envenom

so get your cp

and then just wait

[dire spoke]

So the amount of env inside shiv still doesnt matter

[balmy condor]

and if shiv comes up, you slam it

[balmy condor]

not really no

[dire spoke]

Im still in legion mode

[balmy condor]

you want to pool still

[dire spoke]

xd

[balmy condor]

but you want basically high envenom uptime

and high shiv uptime

and the envenoms within the shiv are just sauce on top

[dire spoke]

k

[normal slate]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[stoic needle]

Always show me ❎

mythic huntsman

[hallow peak]

Ur kinda pumping bro

Keep it up

[stoic needle]

its pretty much the same on wcl

-100

7.5k instead of 7.6

[potent raft]

true true. Used to my details counting shade damage as normal (boosted)

gj

[stoic needle]

a 90% for my first kill is pretty damn good

[plain jewel]

Nadjaa still good for M+ or is there anything better

[stoic needle]

nadjia with exacting preparation is viable, theotar is very good with both wasteland propriety and double potency with lp or katar. you can sim for yourself to see what's good, and pick according to what kind of damage you need for the particular key. nadjia for more st and theotar for more aoe

[plain jewel]

awesome. ty ty

[stoic needle]

lmao wtf is this huntsman doomblade damage

i guess doomblade's dot is scaling from mutilates benefiting from the shade damage increase?

[low girder]

uh

yeah i guess that isn't being filtered right

lol

[stoic needle]

no it is

it's being filtered correctly, that's without the filter

i think the damage ingame is what's actually bugged

[low girder]

oh ok

[stoic needle]

here's it filtered

[strange python]

I'll probably start running sin this coming reset for raid. Hunts will be interesting. I did like 8kish as ol.

[stoic needle]

doomblade's dot dmg is calculated from the mutilate's damage after all damage increases including crits

and sinful

and then the dot itself benefits from those dmg increases again

so if you crit with sinful up, and then the shade dmg increase and sinful applies again, that's like what... 427% damage? rofl

[astral leaf]

[thorny rampart]

hi beautiful people

how do people farm renown now-a-days?

[void pecan]

how do I get to be as good as oshosi

[thorny rampart]

spam heroic dgs?

[void pecan]

m+ is guaranteed renoun?

I think

[stoic needle]

you dont want to be like me i'm trash and guildless lmaooo

[void pecan]

I mean you're probably higher mythic progression than my casual guild

[stoic needle]

M+ isn't guaranteed, the chance scales with key level tho

thats just cuz i pug and i love suffering

[thorny rampart]

oh, should be fine then

tyty

[stoic needle]

do a normal, heroic and LFR clear and run some keys and do callings you'll get renown up ez

[void pecan]

LFR clear.

[stoic needle]

its so fast

get some funny ez 99s

[shy dust]

Lfr is a joke

You can easily clear it

Hardest boss is unironically shriek or sludge

[dense bramble]

slg = zoldyck or doomblade?

[stoic needle]

celerity

or Ma/ks lmao

[dense bramble]

please

[stoic needle]

seriously, sin is dog on SLG

[balmy condor]

play MA and pray you do enough shield damage

[shy dust]

Why even play MA