assassination

[dawn ivy]

would be a nifty set bonus

[twin bolt]

guys how do you manage your cds on sludgefist

you wait for first pillar?

[limber lion]

On HC or on Mythic?

Which pillar do you lust?

[twin bolt]

doing pug normal, lmao

[limber lion]

You want to use cooldowns depending on when you lust

So if you lust 1st pillar (or 3rd), you'd use cooldowns on 1st and 3rd pillar

If you lust the 2nd pillar (or 4th), you'd use cooldowns on pull, 2nd pillar and 4th pillar

[strange python]

i have a quick question about poisons: when i run a ST sim it says deadly poison is 18% of my damage and it is at the top of the breakdown just above melee. i just did artificer and it was a 5 min 11 sec fight so i checked damage breakdowns, and everything lines up the same except my deadly poison is only like 14% total. any idea what could be causing this

[loud silo]

less envenom uses, shiv cd usage

i dunno probs something like that

[strange python]

hmmm

sim had 54 envenoms and 11 shivs, i had 52 and 11

my envenom buff uptime was only like 2% lower

[loud silo]

it will vary from fight to fight since poisons have an rng element to them

[strange python]

true

[brittle pawn]

You don't have 100% uptime on xymox

[mental flower]

sorry for potentially stupid question, ideally you'll want to shiv immediately before using a 4-5 combo point envenom right?

[balmy condor]

Yeah but if you don’t have any cp you shiv anyway

[mental flower]

so ideally you'll shiv at 4 combo points but use on cd if not?

[limber lion]

Pretty much.

[mental flower]

thanks both, appreciated

[limber lion]

And apply garrotes/ruptures before Shiv window so you don't have to do that during it.

[mental flower]

aim is to envenom as much during shiv buff ?

[balmy condor]

Aim is to get highest shiv uptime, and keep the envenom buff up during shiv

[mental flower]

thanks both 🙂

lets say im capped on combo points and shiv comes up, better to cast shiv or cast immediately after the envenom?

[compact pumice]

Yes, shiv on full CP

if it comes up

[royal lantern]

the 100%best case ofc is

4cp->shiv->5cp envenom

but like, w/e, just use on cd, even with full cp

[compact pumice]

actually, best case is 4cp + Crit Shiv into 6 cp 😄

[royal lantern]

oh ye

i always forget deeper

even thought i play it

lel

so yeha, 5 and into 6 xD

[limber lion]

I'd argue that the best case scenario with DS would be
Env - Shiv - Vanish - Muti - Muti - Env

That way you have the Env buff during the Shiv/MA window, you don't overwrite the Env buff too early and you only get 1 Env during DS window anyways

But don't do that

Just some food for thought for the boys

Legit, don't do that

[compact pumice]

[teal bloom]

Already doing it 🙂

[haughty hollow]

Just a guess here. If you have any amount of time away from the boss you will not proc the instant damage effect of deadly poison just the dot ticks. Patchwork sim would have zero time away from boss.

[teal bloom]

So when Sepsis and Vanish+vendetta line up, I should use vanish when Sepsis has 4 seconds remaining, right?

[balmy condor]

yes

[limber lion]

3s remaining with the talent

[balmy condor]

well, depends on what MA you're using

yeh

you vanish to fit the bonk into the crit window

[teal bloom]

Thanks

[pallid idol]

Convenant for rogue assa in raid/mm+/pvp ? pls

[balmy condor]

there's comparisons in the sims

[pallid idol]

Bloodmallet ?

[balmy condor]

pins*

sorry

brain lag :P just woke up

[pallid idol]

Venthyr is good no ?

i see full venthyr in raid

[balmy condor]

yep

[pallid idol]

rogue outlaw is better in MM+ and they play necro.. mmmh

I love assa in raid and outlaw in mm+...

Venthyr or necro ? ^^

[balmy condor]

it's close enough to where you can play whatever you want

[pallid idol]

Ok thank

Outlaw venthyr is good too ?

[compact pumice]

I think so yeah

It's more for ST damage tho

but you always get the full 30 flag stack kinda

[kind talon]

Outlaw venthyr is very suboptimal for multi target

If u wanna swap between specs necro is a good choice

Counts towards doom blade as a bleed

[pallid idol]

Humm ok thank

[tropic echo]

what's the best leggo overall for nathria specifically? still doom?

[balmy condor]

yes

[tropic echo]

god damn torg questline making me wait a week to move on

[fleet whale]

well luckily it's not a week at this point

either Tuesday/wednesday you can continue it

[mental flower]

any general advice on using inverva trinket?

[subtle tundra]

you press it

[mental flower]

noted noted

[slate harbor]

Swapping mains and looking to play melee. Would assassination be a solid pick or would it be hard to find a guild with it? Cant decide between warrior, rogue and dk, just want something solid when I eventually look for a guild at the end of the week

[warm peak]

is it worth to garrote and/or rupture on council for the EN?

[marsh yew]

only garrote

rupture is not worth it

[limber lion]

Rogue is a great versatile class with niches for all content. Generally Sub is the king of PvP, Outlaw is the king of M+ and Assa the king of raiding.

However, a warrior is always needed in raids for the buff and will see play, even if they are considered weak otherwise.

Dk is really strong and has great raid utility and defensives and is really wanted in raids.

Assa rogue is a great pick for raiding, but for mythic raiding it can be honestly tough to find a guild that'll take you in.

We just don't have the raid utility that many other classes bring and on top of that we're a melee spec.

[slate harbor]

Ah dang, thank you for the insight

[marsh yew]

the main issue is that the main reason you would bring an assassin rogue to a progression raid would be for execute but dk does better execute and firemage does better execute and dk brings amz and firemage brings a buff.

[limber lion]

We do have a strong execute niche, but that's about it.

Yep.

[marsh yew]

imo assassination rogues should do more damage than those classes because we don't bring anything else other than damage but I doubt that will ever happen. 😦

I guess we bring cloak in certain situations but 20 other classes do the same thing :/

[dawn ivy]

i chose the worst week available to try to spam plaguefalls

spirits keep you in combat, grievous pulling me out of stealth, and the goo everywhere does the same. this is terrible

[opaque sparrow]

would you prioratize assa over outlaw for mythic council if add dmg is no problem?

[gusty mirage]

Tbh I switch outlaw for that fight because the extra melee range is such a blessing

[opaque sparrow]

fair point

[gusty mirage]

And the fight sucks in general so imo just play with what you’re comfortable with

[cursive meteor]

Deeper or Vigor?

[dawn ivy]

nondescriptive answer telling you to sim yourself

[gentle gyro]

[teal bloom]

Is Grove Invigoration mastery buff from Sepsis more significant than the damage that Sepsis does?

[gentle gyro]

But also, personal preferences. DS sims 30 dps higher for me, but uh no, ill pass

[dawn moat]

DS and vigor are equal for my char, and at this poing vigor "feels" smoother

[gentle gyro]

Hard to judge, why? Id guess the ability itself does way more

[teal bloom]

isn't 300 mastery for 30 seconds a lot? Just a thought 😄

[gentle gyro]

Mastery is pretty meh unless your name is @stoic needle

[strange python]

hey guys

quick question

how accurate is this?

[gentle gyro]

Sounds about right

Eh

Actually

[trim zinc]

Dont vendetta venthyr then rupt??

[gentle gyro]

You should flag before rupture

[trim zinc]

Yaya

Im doing
Mut SnD mut garrote vendetta flag rupt mut mut shiv vanish envenon

[icy haven]

shiv before vanish envenom aswell

[gentle gyro]

Tbh just do a quick sim and look at the opening

[trim zinc]

Yaya forgot that

[strange python]

Should you vendetta before anything

for that extra 30%?

[trim zinc]

No cuz

Energy

[gentle gyro]

^

[strange python]

icic

[gentle gyro]

You'd overcap hard

[strange python]

So Mut SnD mut garrote vendetta flag rupt mut mut vanish envenom?

[trim zinc]

Shiv before vanish envenon

[mental flower]

shiv first

[trim zinc]

But ya

[strange python]

"Mut SnD mut garrote vendetta flag rupt mut mut shiv vanish envenom" Wouldnt that ene cap?

with vendetta and flag before rupture?

[clear oar]

why is ambush not used in the ST opener, is this do to doomblade trying to proc a free ambush?

[drifting light]

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[proven ferry]

You can you ambush with Master assassin and Koryan for more damage on single target, right ?

[icy haven]

no you still mut from stealth, because mut has a higher CP potential and also attacks with both weapons and applies poisons from strikes

[proven ferry]

I thought coming out and stealth and using garrote on single target boss fights is not as good as some ambush....but after that only use with blindside proc

[trim zinc]

Yes

[mental flower]

surely the higher cp potential is obselete now that you spend it on snd?

[modest glen]

which fights do you swap to subterfuge for?

[mental flower]

with cut to chase change

[proven ferry]

Subterfug for mythic+ only for me

[icy haven]

well eee but poison application still stays 😄

[mental flower]

yeah

[proven ferry]

I don’t see it’s benefits outside of that

I mean in raid and PvP

[modest glen]

yeah i meant in CN, for like huntsman, sun king

[trim zinc]

Cleave fights

[modest glen]

if the difference is big enough to bother with it

[proven ferry]

Correct

[shell quail]

why do the top parsers not cast shiv at all?

[strange python]

ty

[balmy condor]

because the logs were bugged

shiv can be tracked through the damage done window

but only logs from this week show shiv in casts

[strange python]

sorry just wanted to confirm one more time

the opener is Mut SnD mut garrote vendetta flag rupt mut mut shiv vanish envenom

[balmy condor]

yes

[proven ferry]

!bis

😝

[balmy condor]

bis list is gone

[strange python]

ty

[shell quail]

ohh copy copy ty

[proven ferry]

I thought you would say get fucked like before

[balmy condor]

nah

[stoic needle]

300 mastery is quite a bit tho

[drifting light]

The secret mastery build

[proven ferry]

For real ?

[gentle gyro]

[balmy condor]

for real what

[royal lantern]

for real

[balmy condor]

damn

true

[undone eagle]

is it okey to use finisher on 4 dots if i play with 5 ??

[stoic needle]

https://tenor.com/view/vince-staples-fax-it-do-be-facts-tho-its-the-truth-gif-16329641

[balmy condor]

yes

[thorny rose]

does anyone elses deadly poison randomly fall off after like 11 minutes

or know what could be causing this

[balmy condor]

are you doing pvp

[thorny rose]

some battlegrounds

[gentle gyro]

Poisons disappear when switching in/out of leeching poison, switching weapons, entering torghast or arenas

[thorny rose]

but my crippling poison doesnt

[gentle gyro]

Yeah

[sleek sparrow]

The utility poison doesn't for some reason but the offensive one does

[thorny rose]

i see, ty

[pine torrent]

whats go to soulbind for necro assa on st

[gentle gyro]

Id love to say pins, but not sure if it is

When in doubt,

Or ping our custodian

[sleek sparrow]

It should be in pins

Near the bottom

Probly the crit dude

[balmy condor]

is indeed, in the pins

[stoic needle]

Theotar is double potency?

[sleek sparrow]

Specifically if both conduits are 226 it seems

[placid adder]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[gentle gyro]

You're not there for one day and my guild does this

[deft quiver]

Hey guys, new vamp boy here. Just swapped from kyrian.
2 questions:

1. Any tips for inserting flagellation into the rotation? Seems like the pins and rotation priorities just suggest to swap it in for Echoing Reprimand.
2. Any tips for using flagellation on M Sludgefist? I’m popping vanish/vendetta on pull, p2, and p4. Should I hold flag for these as well, or try to use it more frequently and not line up on pillars?

[onyx wind]

Use on pull and align with pillars

[deft quiver]

Ok, so pull, p2, p4, yeah?

[balmy condor]

yep

on other fights you would just cast it on cd

[deft quiver]

Perfect. Is there a best practice to pop it with 5 cps or something? I’d image the goal is to max the cp spend in the window, right?

[onyx wind]

Yes

4 or 5 on first rupture

[slow marsh]

Or 5/6 if DS

[onyx wind]

Im doing it with 4 but i am also parsing -300%

:/

[deft quiver]

So I should use flag in the opener before rupture? Or does it come after popping vendetta?

[onyx wind]

Yes before rupture

[slow marsh]

Yes

Vendetta flag rupture

[onyx wind]

And without lust u prob have to vendetta earlier than usual

(on sludge)

this mf

[deft quiver]

Ah, so don’t listen to the opener on Icy Veins?

[onyx wind]

Yes listen

[jovial oriole]

Wish i could be venthyr on assassionation and necro on outlaw 😦

[gusty mirage]

removed from 14 spires for a frost mage

[onyx wind]

And replace 4+ with 5+ if ur playing DS

and cast flag before rupture

[high phoenix]

My issue on the opener is I mut snd mut then have to wait like 2 globals before I have energy for garrote. Do I just not have enough haste? Or should I be running vigor? Have been on deeper strat

[onyx wind]

I use vendetta before garrote

So i get energy to start dealing dmg

But the situation is very rare, and only raelly happens for me on sludge

Where lining up CD's is very important

dunno if i would do it on another boss

[deft quiver]

So, mut>snd >mut>garrote>vendetta > flag > rup>etc

On opener

[balmy condor]

That’s normal

[onyx wind]

yes thats what i do

with lust

[balmy condor]

Sin is a slow spec

[limpid quest]

whats the best covenant now for assassin?

[gusty mirage]

[limpid quest]

k tx

pin says venthyr and wow head has night fae

[balmy condor]

Night fae is an overall pick

For general use

[primal zinc]

whispyr do you have sims on venths lashing scars?

[balmy condor]

Not sure what you mean

Should all be in the pins

[onyx wind]

Lashing scar ilvl is like a 0.2-0.3% upgrade

[primal zinc]

on pins you have WPS sims for venthyr

but you dont have lashing scars sims

🙂

[signal gulch]

https://i.imgur.com/ATdwPke.png

if one of them is no lashing

what would the other one be

[primal zinc]

😮

im blind

xD

@balmy condor sorry

[stoic needle]

[primal zinc]

[primal zinc]

[stoic needle]

how are you liking your new guild man

[primal zinc]

6/10 and tomorrow we are doing council

wanna see logs?

[next gazelle]

hey shadowcore oil or sharpening ston is better for assa?

[iron orchid]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[outer furnace]

with level is it that rogue dont have energy problem anymore ?

[iron orchid]

depends on what you call "energy problem"

[outer furnace]

i mean

not regen energy fast enough

[iron orchid]

you are leveling your character or gearing it ?

[outer furnace]

leveling

i mean

i am unsure if i shall main rogue

i am bored of bm hunter

[iron orchid]

There are some passives on higher levels, which grant you more energy regen

as a sin rogue, you'll stuggle when leveling until you get the venomous wounds

passive

[outer furnace]

with level is that ?

with level is venomous wounds ?

[balmy condor]

37

[dense bramble]

what legendary should i max first, doomblade or zoldyck?

[outer furnace]

anyone know if it is any good assa streamer that will stream today ?

[worldly bridge]

hey is it better to use pot during pull or during BL on 4.30 fights, where u cant line up BL with vendetta ?

[balmy condor]

you should pot with cooldowns always

[worldly bridge]

thought BL value > Vendetta value. Ill bl at pull then

we're doing Xymox, expect a 4.30 kill, with BL at 3.05. I should only have venthyr spell lining up with bl

[balmy condor]

would be insane

if 30% haste is better than 30% damage

[granite escarp]

!bis

[balmy condor]

removed

[safe canyon]

That infexious dude streams most days. Dunno whether he qualifies as good

[balmy condor]

big no

never recommend him again in this channel pls

[candid goblet]

quick question, during the opener should we vanish when we already have 4-5 cp ready and envenom right afterwards?

or is it fine to mutilate after vanish

[balmy condor]

you vanish mut env mut after shiv

[candid goblet]

ok thanks

[solar flicker]

with ds youre never going to get 2 envenoms in the ma window right

[balmy condor]

yup

[strange python]

I

[candid goblet]

wait you said vanish mut env mut, so you don't vanish at 0 cp?

[strange python]

'll say this much...when I go assassination for raiding...I will DEF miss grappling hook haha

[balmy condor]

you vanish after the shiv in your opener

and if you get unlucky

you mut again

[candid goblet]

alright

[outer furnace]

would you guys recomend as assa outlaw or sub ?

[chilly crane]

what is a good overall dps for sin in mists/dos?

[stoic needle]

6k+

[outer furnace]

should i leveling as assa outlaw or sub ?

[onyx wind]

whatever u prefer

they both suck ass

at leveling

all 3*

Maybe u can level as the spec u will play at max level

[compact pumice]

Sub was super easy, self healing and shadowstrike-teleporting between mobs

[outer furnace]

i am really unsure if i want too play rogue only been like bm hunter everyone say play whatever you like but i only like bm hunter but dont like it anymore in shadowlands

[stone epoch]

could be good to experiment around

[outer furnace]

i know that i dont like bm hunter mm hunter not going survival not going fire mage priest or warlock

[azure carbon]

I think Sub leveling is pretty fun.

You just teleport around and 1shot stuff.

Outlaw is probably better if you doing dungeons, but if you questing I think sub is the play, personally.

[wind nacelle]

^^

[outer furnace]

with hair color seems good for a blood elf rogue ?

thinking about yellow

[limber lion]

White gang

White works with every outfit. Not sure how this is #assassination related though.

[outer furnace]

what about eyes color and hair style ?

[torpid spoke]

wait

[outer furnace]

sorry for asking

[torpid spoke]

wtf

did they change the way we simbots runs?

i used to sim for 6.5k with no widnfury

now I'm simming 8k?

[balmy condor]

why are we talking about transmog in here

#transmog exists

[balmy condor]

cause you're probably not simming single target

[torpid spoke]

this is for patchwerk btw

[limber lion]

^

[mighty bolt]

Is sire considered a ST fight?

[balmy condor]

yes

[limber lion]

Look at the duration. You definitely won't sim 8k on 5min pw

[balmy condor]

I mean

3 target patchwerk

[mighty bolt]

I want to swap outlaw to assa for non SLG raid fights, any help about where to start

im necro btw

[outer furnace]

ok i did make a blood elf rogue should i follow wowhead or icyveins for talents and rotation ?

[balmy condor]

both are fine

[balmy condor]

usually a guide

[limber lion]

Okayy duuude

[balmy condor]

but like actually, if you link the sim I'm sure it won't be hard to find out whats wrong

[torpid spoke]

I'm tarded nvrm

[limber lion]

:D

[balmy condor]

hey me too

:D

[outer furnace]

Omg

i remember blade furry

i remember blade furry for outlaw was good in aoe

[balmy condor]

that's great man

[limber lion]

Well there's a great way to dodge the filter :--D

[balmy condor]

I'm glad you remembered

[outer furnace]

the thing i dont know with sub is

ops

[limber lion]

ops

[strange python]

ops

[spice spire]

ops

[brittle pawn]

soup

[stoic needle]

spo

[limber lion]

Any Assa gamers in the chat?

[strange python]

1

[candid goblet]

how the hell do people play without blindside

[stoic needle]

1

[candid goblet]

it smoothens out rotation so well

[stoic needle]

well you see

first

you mutilate

then

you mutilate some more

then

you garotte or rupture probably

[candid goblet]

yeah, while waiting a bit between muts

[stoic needle]

and maybe a shiv and an envenom

[limber lion]

I wanna try out NS CT in m+ but I'll be home in like 30 and already sleepy af and yesterday I didn't get into any keys :'(

[stoic needle]

i dont understand why people cant stand waiting

in the slow rogue spec

[limber lion]

Should look into other specs if you're looking to smash

Smash buttons that is

[stoic needle]

in fact

[candid goblet]

I can, but why shouldn't I wait less while not losing ST dps

[stoic needle]

because the spec is designed to be slow

you don't lose any dps by waiting so what's the problem

[candid goblet]

it is designed to have options to make it less slow though

like Elaborate Planning -> Blinside switch

I think I would rather play faster

but thats just me

[balmy condor]

do you play venthyr

[candid goblet]

yessir

[balmy condor]

do you play vigor?

[candid goblet]

yessir

[balmy condor]

interesting

[candid goblet]

why?

[balmy condor]

just wanted to know how hard you committed yourself to "faster"

[stoic needle]

the fastest sin can be is venthyr with vigor and dashing scoundrel

[candid goblet]

I commit as long as there is no significant dps loss

like being Venthyr

[strange python]

seeking faster gameplay out of the methodical dot spec

[balmy condor]

people enjoy what people enjoy I guess

[stoic needle]

depends on your definition of significant but deeper stratagem is a noticeable gain over vigor for me

[candid goblet]

interesting

From what I've seen in logs it pretty close

[strange python]

worth simming it on your own char probb

[stoic needle]

on sims its like 80 dps

[subtle kiln]

if you want faster game play just buy PIs

[stoic needle]

or play outlaw

lol

[subtle kiln]

disney+ is your assa copilot

[brittle pawn]

Had my fill of fast gameplay with my 95% haste warrior in nyalotha. Sin is a nice change of pace

[slender urchin]

Vigor vs DS is ~50 dps in favor of DS

For me

[brittle pawn]

Even if I'm stuck outlaw rn for slg

[limber lion]

Same 😢 Fingers crossed the pain ends tomorrow

[brittle pawn]

My pain just began Tuesday

https://prog-stats.emallson.net/tier/26-castle-nathria

Especially based on where we stand relative to the average attempts

Gonna be a long bumpy ride

[restive raptor]

Zempai now Assa, imagine

[dire spoke]

du beschissen nutzlose Plastikgabel

[limber lion]

??

[restive raptor]

he said im a useless fork

[limber lion]

https://gyazo.com/c38d491c83f9152642b72f2c776cc1e2

https://gyazo.com/afbc1d7d2c659670b6d7d73fc68dc2b1

Typical pull count 154-232, ours at 268

Boy

Send help

But yeah

[vestal wren]

just ask daddy blizz to nerf it again

[limber lion]

They're gonna do it. Surely. I have faith in daddy blizz

[sterile sinew]

this tuesday i bet

[vestal wren]

nobody likes the fight, so it wouldn't be too bad if its easier

[limber lion]

They always do really giga-nerfs before the tier ends so us slowpokes can get our CE's as well

Yeaah I truly hope so

Anyways, gonna go blast some keys with MA Legendary and Nightstalker + CT

Pretty much only done keys with Subterfuge, not sure how NS will feel

[proper halo]

is there a way to macro blindside proc ambush when av ailble otherwise use crimson tempest?

[limber lion]

Well you can use this

!ambush

[prisma monolith]

Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message

[limber lion]

But instead of macroing Mutilate, you'd macro CT.

It's not really recommended tbh and might not work properly because you're macroing a generator/finisher

No other way around it though unfortunately.

You can have a macro that uses Ambush instead of CT if you don't have CT picked

[proper halo]

thanks ill just stick to switching it out for raid mythic+ then

[limber lion]

You normally don't run Blindside with CT anyways

#showtooltip
/cast [talent:7/1] Ambush; [talent:7/2] Ambush; [talent:7/3] Crimson Tempest

You can use that so when you talent into Poison Bomb/Echoing Blades, it switches to Ambush

[proper halo]

ok thats what i wanted

thaKS

[limber lion]

You're welcome, buddy.

[burnt star]

I tried that last week. Was fun to see 7k dps while doing only 1 ct out of opener

But this week. U cant restealth as much

I tried it on 1 key. Really didnt like it compared to last week with all the missing restealth

[gloomy fern]

do anyone know the line for wcl to see SLG shield dmg

[limber lion]

absorbedDamage > 0

[gloomy fern]

ty

[limber lion]

That's actually the reason I was thinking of doing it this week. Because no stealth = no triple garrote

But then again, 50% damage is pretty giga

[gloomy fern]

no sire kill this reclear but at least triple vault

[limber lion]

Ez weapon from vault #believe

[brittle pawn]

no stealth no MA/nightstalker

[sour thunder]

Logs seems much better for raids but how is assas after 905 in M+? Im more into M+

[limber lion]

It's great for M+. It's not Outlaw-level but still very good.

[sour thunder]

Thanks, I tried to find some videos of mplus run after 905 and so far 0 on youtube

[limber lion]

Like you can definitely do up to +20 keys. Might need to reconsider changing specs or the comp a bit at that point.

[limber lion]

You should be able to find some twitch streamers streaming keys.

I know JustRuss does keys on stream. I do some keys on stream here and there, not that often tbh

[amber quail]

is right as opening as vent: M>SnD>M>G>Flag>R?

when vendetta?

[limber lion]

Yes

[sour thunder]

Justross is the name in twitch?

[limber lion]

Vendetta after Rupture, then Shiv - Vanish - Muti - Env - Muti

[limber lion]

https://www.twitch.tv/justruss

[shy dust]

It’s great for m+?

[limber lion]

Well it's dogshit this week for sure

But in general it is good.

[shy dust]

I don’t even know if good

Is what you’d call sin in m+

It’s easily worse than outlaw havoc fury and WW

[limber lion]

A spec that can do 7k in overall and push +20 keys

I do consider good

[shy dust]

Almost all specs in the game

Can do +20e

And high overall depending on dungeons

Doesn’t make it good for m+

[limber lion]

Something being "good" and "bad" is an abstract concept. You can't really say what is good and what is bad tbh

[gloomy fern]

mage is bad

[shy dust]

No you can

You can compare it

Versus other things

[limber lion]

Someone who never does +20 keys will have a fine time as Assa

[shy dust]

You can use stats

Which is what subcreation does

[limber lion]

Something can be better and worse than others

But not bad.

Or good

[oblique flare]

stats don't mean you will necessarily perform better though

[shy dust]

To quantify the strength of a spec in m+

[limber lion]

Like it's a bad spec for someone who's aiming to do +25 keys

For sure

But for someone who never does anything higher than +20

It's a perfectly fine spec

And even good up to that point.

[shy dust]

I’m not a fan of that line of reasoning

[loud light]

it's fine if you have friends that will take you to keys and you know what you're doing

[shy dust]

Just because it’s adequate up to that regard

[limber lion]

If I can 2 chest +19 keys and be top dps

[loud light]

good luck getting invited given the current meta

[shy dust]

Does not make it good

[limber lion]

I think it's a good spec

[shy dust]

It’s playable

But not a good spec for m+

[oblique flare]

that's more of a rogue problem, not spec

[loud light]

to m+?

not a rogue problem

[dawn ivy]

it is viable up to 20s

[shy dust]

Outlaw is a premier m+ spec

[oblique flare]

they won't see my spec if they don't invite me

so yes, it's a rogue problem

[frail fossil]

that's a you problem

[limber lion]

But yeah, still think it's subjective. Someone else might consider a spec good that you deem bad.

[shy dust]

But when stats

Support a spec being bad

[oblique flare]

yes, almost 1.4k rio having trouble being invited to a +14

such a me problem

[shy dust]

Getting into 14s will always be hard

Higher io people will queue into it

Just to get weeklies done

[frail fossil]

^

[brittle pawn]

whats your ilvl?

[frail fossil]

1.4k isn't high anymore u just have 100 people higher than u applying

[oblique flare]

220

didn't do keys recently, so idk was a while back already

[frail fossil]

so that's a you problem not rogue problem

rogue still popular in m+

u just have one melee spot

[oblique flare]

again, they don't see your spec before they invite you

[frail fossil]

per key

[shy dust]

They see rogue

[frail fossil]

and u gotta just pray it's not taken

[shy dust]

Which means they assume outlaw

[reef axle]

Sin needs to have a fair amount of mastery I think to do decent cleave in m plus

[shy dust]

For the most part

[brittle pawn]

i did 10 mist 15s in 2 days this week, friday night took a while, but the others were ~5 min invites each

[frail fossil]

yeah it's like if u see mage

u assume it's fire

[brittle pawn]

1350 io 226 ilvl

[frail fossil]

not arcane

[hollow escarp]

[oblique flare]

again, and their assumptions or bias is not a me problem, but a rogue problem

[shy dust]

What exactly

Is the rogue problem

[oblique flare]

you're a melee

[shy dust]

I’m not sure what you’re trying to say

[hollow escarp]

not being mage

[oblique flare]

they can legit take any other melee but you

[shy dust]

Yes you’re almost the most taken melee

Being rogue

Helps your chances

[frail fossil]

outlaw just the most popular melee spec in m+

[shy dust]

Much more than it hinders you

[frail fossil]

poor man

[brittle pawn]

reroll warlock and try to get into keys then come back and talk

[hollow escarp]

must be hard getting invited when you do 200 less dps overall than the meta specs

[oblique flare]

idk man, had warlocks do total 6k+ dps at the end of the dungeon

[frail fossil]

problem is not rogue is that there's 50 better people applying to a mist 14 cuz it's easy weekly

[oblique flare]

seems to me like a community issue

[frail fossil]

yes any spec can do 6k dps bro

[hollow escarp]

but you can apply to groups with only 1 player

so you get in early

[humble ginkgo]

push ur own key

[hollow escarp]

it's Sanguine Depths

[frail fossil]

but again i pugged 10 weekly keys on 2 char

[humble ginkgo]

so

[hollow escarp]

and a priest depleted it and dc

[frail fossil]

had no problem getting into keys

on both

[humble ginkgo]

[hollow escarp]

I know, I do that most of the times

[frail fossil]

ok i played monk and rogue

[hollow escarp]

playing own key is the way to go

[frail fossil]

just weird people think they dont get inv cuz they play rogue

and dont realize that like it's just that there is better ppl applying

[hollow escarp]

also most groups don't want more than 1 melee

even I rarely invite other melee except tank

[frail fossil]

i dont care

literally had like 2 warrior in the last grp i made

[humble ginkgo]

you want 1 melee and 2 ranged usually for higher keys

[frail fossil]

[humble ginkgo]

aka rogue mage boomie

[frail fossil]

havoc soon

[humble ginkgo]

cope

[frail fossil]

no people dont realize

[hollow escarp]

havoc does so much more damage

[frail fossil]

how imba havoc is, and with vdh maybe getting nerfed to take a necro war

[hollow escarp]

did a few keys with havoc in group

[frail fossil]

havoc is become a seriously considerable pick

as a melee spot

[shy dust]

Is this WoW general

Or assassination flower

[humble ginkgo]

havoc is always good in m+ lol

[frail fossil]

[shy dust]

[frail fossil]

sorry rae

[humble ginkgo]

playing sin in keys

[shy dust]

Peasant who crafted doomblade on shoulders

[frail fossil]

[hollow escarp]

[humble ginkgo]

imagine

[stoic needle]

imagine daring to have fun in a videogame

absolutely

dis

gusting

[pallid galleon]

Does Rupture do more dps with 5 cps compared to 4 or does it just go longer?

[frail fossil]

[limber lion]

Yes

The longer the duration = the more damage it does

[frail fossil]

[amber quail]

just longer

[limber lion]

But no, the base damage is the same :p

[hollow escarp]

and you don't have to cast another rupture

[pallid galleon]

Not more total dmg I meant more dps

[hollow escarp]

and can use that finisher better

[stoic needle]

the dps is the same

[weary lagoon]

longer thus doing more dmg

[limber lion]

No, the dps is the same

[stoic needle]

it scales linearly with cp

[shy dust]

Not more dps no

[limber lion]

Yeh the more time you spend applying small ruptures = the less time you spend using Envenom

[hollow escarp]

it's opportunity cost to refresh a rupture instead of casting an envenom

[pallid galleon]

Yeah but if the mob will not last long I can take small ruptures

[weary lagoon]

opens up more CPs for envenom right?

[limber lion]

Yes

[pallid galleon]

Okay thanks

Same with Garrot?

[limber lion]

Garrote doesn't use combo points

[pallid galleon]

Ah yes lol sorry

🤣

[hollow escarp]

but it has a 6 sec cd

was there a tier set bonus in Legion that made it 3 sec or instant?

can't remember

[limber lion]

No clue

Antorus tier set was Dashing Scoundrel, Nighthold was Doomblade

[dense bramble]

it has no cooldown when talented Subterfuge

(when you cast it from stealth)

[hollow escarp]

ofc

[dense bramble]

and 3s after

[dense bramble]

our 2 bests single target legendaries? coincidence

[hollow escarp]

♻️

[limber lion]

Actually yeah, Tomb of Sargeras set reduced the CD by 12s :--D

[unborn eagle]

crit-mast

[limber lion]

25 less energy and 60% more damage as well

Sounds like a wet dream

[hollow escarp]

[dense bramble]

talking about tier sets, fangs of the father don't work even while timewalkings, right? because it's a set bonus (even tho illidan warglaives are set bonus and work)

[limber lion]

Pretty sure legendaries etc. work on TWD

Fotf should as well

afaik

[hollow escarp]

they do

only Legion legendaries were nerfed

or wait

[dense bramble]

yea but fangs of the father "special bonus" comes from the set bonus

which is legacy and disabled

[hollow escarp]

aaah, the tier set bonus doesn't work

but there is another effect which works

[dense bramble]

only the wings

[hollow escarp]

yeah

I have them enchanted with mongoose for timewalking

[dense bramble]

it's like an useless legendary comparing to warglaives, mop cloak, teraghosa staff and the others

[hollow escarp]

but I think I should search if there is any dagger with 3 sockets

[dense bramble]

does nothing special because disabled legacy

[hollow escarp]

as socketed gear is the best in TW

[dense bramble]

what does mongoose grant again?

[hollow escarp]

forgot

[dense bramble]

please let me know if you find it out

[hollow escarp]

Amanthul's Trinket, BfA cloak, Heart of Azeroth are still good for TW

they give stats and HoA has essences which work

[dense bramble]

i believe mop cloak still break the game even while wod tw

[hollow escarp]

unfortunately I don't have that

[pure salmon]

do you still open with 2x garrote with subterfuge on single target?

i know in BFA you did to extend the empowered garrote

[drowsy coral]

What does Sepsis bring to assa ? Does it even get buffed by the passive Mastery: Potent Assassin ?

[limber lion]

No, you only use one garrote in the opener.

[empty peak]

@drowsy coral sepsis is fun in tourgast

[limber lion]

Shiv buffs Sepsis and if you Vanish with Master Assa talent/legendary toward the end, the explosion will benefit from the Master Assassin effect.

[empty peak]

@limber lion yes but would you normally include shiv as part of your rotation if you are with venthyr?

[limber lion]

Yes.

[empty peak]

ewww

[limber lion]

Shiv is one of the main abilities for Assa.

One of the most important abilities in the toolkit.

[fallen current]

Big damage increase

[drowsy coral]

Oh shit, so you mean the addition X damage from Sepsis (the damage at the end of the duration) get buffed by MA talent ?

[limber lion]

Yes, the small explosion that happens at the end benefits from Master Assassin and can crit during it.

And like said, Shiv basically increases the Sepsis' damage by 20% (+ whatever WPS gives)

[drowsy coral]

Interesting, any idea if it's worth using it this way after vanish instead of something else

say, a vanish envenom vs a vanish sepsis

[limber lion]

Yes, you always want to aim to vanish at the end of the Sepsis to get full value out of it.

No, you don't use Vanish first and then Sepsis

You use Sepsis, then Shiv

Then you wait 5-6 seconds

And then you Vanish

[drowsy coral]

Thanks a lot ❤️

[limber lion]

During that 5-6 seconds you just use Mutilates/Envenoms

When you use the MA talent, you would vanish when Sepsis has 3s left - and with the MA legendary, you would vanish when Sepsis has 4s left.

Good luck!

[hybrid pier]

if you don't choose blindside talent, does Ambush not proc? or does blindside just increase the chance of the proc?

[limber lion]

No, Mutilate only procs Ambush when you're talented into Blindside.

[hybrid pier]

thank you ❤️

[limber lion]

[onyx wind]

amongoose

[hollow escarp]

[zenith jay]

Stats for PvP any one knows ?

[hollow escarp]

versatility

probably a better place to ask is #pvp

[pure salmon]

what is the opener? if you dont mind. garrote - ambush - rupture - mut - snd - mut - crimson - mut - shiv - env spam is what ive been doing (only been playing sin for like an hour at this point)

[dense bramble]

for enchantments it is sinful revelation + celestial guidance?

[pure salmon]

and a sepsis in there somewhere

[hollow escarp]

sepsis right before shiv

[winter vapor]

can I sim different conduits on the free version of raidbots?

[shy dust]

@balmy condor broke 7.2k

[limber lion]

Is this assuming M+ talents and you fighting a ST boss? So EP/Subt/Vigor/CT?

[hollow escarp]

not sure if it's free or not, but there is an option in RaidBots

[pure salmon]

yes cev

[dense bramble]

yea

[balmy condor]

[balmy condor]

yes, the only thing that paid raidbots allows is faster sims with higher iterations

[winter vapor]

many thanks, will look harder at the options to find it then 😛

[limber lion]

Gar - Muti - SnD - Muti - Muti - Rupture - Vend - Sepsis - Shiv - Muti - Env - Muti - Muti - (wait for Sepsis to hit 3s) Vanish - Env - Muti - Env

[limber lion]

And skipping the line

There's thousands of people in queue at all times

I can't imagine life without premium

[hollow escarp]

5.5 mil iter pleb

need to upgrade to 16 mil

[limber lion]

Same

[pure salmon]

Thank you

[limber lion]

[hollow escarp]

haven't used this since legion

[limber lion]

Yeah, I'm so glad Raidbots exists

Local client is so

[hollow escarp]

I'm pretty sure I didn't even had it configed properly

[pure salmon]

Why not an ambush instead of the first mutilate? Still have subterfuge buff and ambush hits harder. Mut have a better chance to apply poison?

[hollow escarp]

I actually have my /simc string from legion cached here lol

[limber lion]

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[pure salmon]

I see, thanks again

[safe barn]

does renown drop from arena skirmish?

[undone verge]

doom, ma, zold. which to upgrade first t.t

[untold gazelle]

Any beast could PM me to check my logs? Want to see whats wrong. Usually decent at outlaw.

[hazy geyser]

so which covenent are we supposed to be at now venthyr or necrolord?

[hollow escarp]

venthyr for sin is a popular choice, but we are not really "supposed" to be venthyr

[hazy geyser]

i am currently nightfae but i fucking hate it here lol

[hollow escarp]

if you play outlaw in M+, you can very well be off spec assa necrolord

[hazy geyser]

right... i am definitely gonna be playing outlaw for keys

[hollow escarp]

you can also have a look at the pins on both channel

to make an idea of how they look in terms of sims

[hazy geyser]

i am gonna be assa for ST / cleave and outlaw for AOE now the question is where do i want to cripple myself

[hollow escarp]

the difference is not that huge but necro also has that nice fleshcraft

which looks good on progression and high keys

[hazy geyser]

necrolords is the one with the bone spike right?

[hollow escarp]

not trying to convert you though

yes, that's necro

[stoic needle]

You aren't really crippling yourself by going either covenant

Crippling yourself would be going kyrian

[hollow escarp]

played a bit of outlaw venthyr, managed to get 29 stacks

on flag

with mfd though

[drowsy coral]

fae best cov

[hollow escarp]

my frog soulshape

[drowsy coral]

Imagine trading soulshape for a weird looking gate teleport

[hazy geyser]

man this 1 2 3 talent thing doesnt make any sense why is 3 the far left and 1 the far right

[hollow escarp]

I did it for the scuffed Kingsbane

[drowsy coral]

Let Kingsbane go already we'll never get it back

[hollow escarp]

it makes sense for me

but I count from left to right

[plain thistle]

hmmmm, 3 is far right

[hazy geyser]

ok so it not fucked then LOL

[plain thistle]

and 0 is "whatever"

[hazy geyser]

i remember seeing it somewhere written where it was 3 2 1 talent wise

[hollow escarp]

or not a dps increase

[plain thistle]

he probably meant first row 3, second 2 and third 1

[hollow escarp]

so Blindside, Subterfuge, Vigor

[drowsy coral]

If you don't play EP and Vigor with 43 PI, you're not worthy

[subtle kiln]

@balmy condor do you have any legendary sims without using poisons?

i need to know what’s bis when I forget to use poisons.

[plain thistle]

[hollow escarp]

don't you get an error if you envenom without poisons?

I have them disabled but I know there used to be something like that

[stoic needle]

[tawdry moon]

Is there a go to race for the alliance as a rogue?

I know shadowmeld is bis by far for feral

[stoic needle]

night elf is OP

[subtle kiln]

mechagnome

[hollow escarp]

be like me, go night elf 🙂

[stoic needle]

sure if you want to be a hideous monster

[balmy condor]

unnecessary

[tawdry moon]

Im mainly raiding and doing M+

[subtle kiln]

race sims are in herodamage

[hollow escarp]

mechagnome is ahead

but it's very small

[subtle kiln]

jmorph if you don’t like the look

[hollow escarp]

pun not intended

[tawdry moon]

xD

[stoic needle]

night elf has undeniable utility in m+

[hollow escarp]

especially for sin

[subtle kiln]

it’s alliance. people don’t actually run keys as ally

[hollow escarp]

https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/races/1t-t26-assassination @tawdry moon

[hollow escarp]

[quiet forge]

Is it worth playing Assa as NF?

[stoic needle]

yes

[quiet forge]

I usually play outlaw this tier but need better ST for sludgefist

[stoic needle]

sin will give you that regardless of covenant

[knotty sparrow]

Shiv and conduit synergies well with sepsis

Ticks for a mofo

[quiet forge]

vendetta every other pillar?

[hollow escarp]

and the explosion

[quiet forge]

or on cd

[knotty sparrow]

Pull 2nd pillar and 4th pillar

Iirc

[hollow escarp]

I think that's the play on mythic

but you want to use CDs with lust

[hazy geyser]

i hated sepsis it sounds nice to get access to a stealth ability but it is so basic you just use it and forget about it

[quiet forge]

we lust 4th pillar

[hollow escarp]

so yeah

that works

[knotty sparrow]

That sepsis side effect bugged out for me more than it was ever useful

[hollow escarp]

we don't even use it as sin

[hazy geyser]

thank god

[knotty sparrow]

But the dmg is nice

[hazy geyser]

it was kinda fun with sub but we all have seen how bad sub is after the first week

[hollow escarp]

it is indeed fun with sub

[hazy geyser]

man sub is really fun to play but holy shit it does 0 damage the only thing that was going well for it got nerfed to the ground then when had the akhaari shadow damage synergy it got changed to physical

[quiet forge]

how many % haste do i need for DS to be better than Vigor?

[halcyon zealot]

what renown do you need for full nadija value?

[balmy condor]

30

[hazy geyser]

it doesnt take you long to get caught up in renown right?

[halcyon zealot]

can do 30 in a day yeah?

[hollow escarp]

I need to go to bed, I've read that you need 30% haste to make DS better than Vigor

[balmy condor]

probably not

but technically, if you grind your face off

sure

[quiet forge]

is there a way to sim for a fight like sludgefist? bonus dmg every 1 min?

[balmy condor]

not base

[drowsy coral]

Is it worth pooling when you’ve Shiv up and you wanna throw as much envenom as possible ?

[low girder]

if there's nothing to refresh and shiv is about to come up, sure

but don't pool if shiv is off cd

just slam it

[drowsy coral]

Seems good

[quiet forge]

how many % haste do i need for DS to be better than Vigor?

[dense hamlet]

150% flat

[drowsy coral]

I've 14% base haste and DS already sim slightly better for me than Vigor

[open glade]

new here, which poisons do I use? my WA is saying wound/crip, is this correct?

[dense hamlet]

no

if u pvp yes

if u pve lethal is better

[open glade]

so deadly/crip

[dense hamlet]

yes

[open glade]

ty!

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[arctic haven]

!stats

[drowsy coral]

Crip if you need to slow adds in MM+, Numbing otherwise

[arctic haven]

!bis

[dense hamlet]

dont search for those

legends say @balmy condor will apear

[arctic haven]

how much stats for nicely?

[dense hamlet]

what does nicely mean

[arctic haven]

haha

perfect stats more or less

for raid

[dense hamlet]

depends on ur own char

sim them

[arctic haven]

kk

[dense hamlet]

but ilvl=agi>stats

[arctic haven]

yep

[quiet forge]

versa actually sims better than crit?

[balmy condor]

who the fuck

said some shit

[strange python]

LOL

[quiet forge]

[low girder]

why does no one ever say mastery stack

that'd be more entertaining

[knotty sparrow]

The more vers you have the better crit will sim for you, and the more crit you have the better vers will sim for you

From my experience

[strange python]

that do be how stat weights work

[knotty sparrow]

Yeah man

[coral jasper]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[solar hare]

Dont shoot

[coral jasper]

Guys i try to find in pings best stats to aim for m+ but im dumb or theres nothing related for m+ in pins.Just crit/haste for raid?Anyone can help me with this?

[compact pumice]

It's pretty much the same, just sim for dungeon slice if you want to compare items

!stats

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[compact pumice]

That's like a guideline

[coral jasper]

Mhm,cuz somewhere i read that crit/mastery is way to go in m+ and i asked bcz of that

[compact pumice]

but stat weights depend so much on your current gear

Yeah don't aim for that, I think that's misleading unless I'm mistaken

[coral jasper]

Mhm

Tyvm ^^

[sinful flicker]

hey, is there a website that tells me the best trinkets for sin rogue? or like, does annyone know the best trinkets?

[quiet forge]

Bloodmallet, herodamage, warcraftlogs

[sonic fox]

guys, what do you think about the leggos?

zoldyck or doomblade on overall?

considering m+ and raids

[quiet forge]

doomblade for single target, zoldyck overall / any multitarget

[sonic fox]

hmmm kk

[quiet forge]

why do we open with mutilate and not with ambush? since we use ambush on procs with blindside?

[dense hamlet]

that + cp gain

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[quiet forge]

awesome thank u

is it better to vanish into envenom or into mutilate?

[stoic needle]

doesn't matter either way

it's basically the same dps regardless

[foggy beacon]

I find myself having trouble putting dots on multiple targets while maintaining crimson tempest, what seems to be highest number of targets you can have dots on while never letting crimson tempest drop?

[stoic needle]

5-6

or more

you are probably building to 5cp ruptures, you should do 2-3cp ones first

[quiet forge]

when playing with DS only envenom with 5-6 cp right?

[stoic needle]

yep

[low girder]

any finisher except the opening SND, basically

[weak horizon]

so it's actually better to do 2-3 cp ruptures to build up bleeds before dropping big ones?

they do the same dmg/tick regardless of cp, right? it's just duration that cp scales

[still dove]

also depends on how long mobs are living, dont need to put a 5cp rupture on a mob that's only alive 10 sec

[weak horizon]

ah, very true

[stoic needle]

5cp ruptures are more energy efficient but not higher dps

that matters less in aoe because you have a surplus of energy but it's still important

[quiet forge]

on single target in the opening do you apply a 5-6cp rupture or 2-3cp since its the first one?

[stoic needle]

if you're venthyr, and you vendetta+flag before rupture(as you should) 5-6cp is better

[brisk drum]

vendetta doesnt snapshot does it?

[stoic needle]

no it doesn't

[strange python]

What trinket combinations are you guys going for

[brittle pawn]

two of them

[lament mica]

phial+whatever on use u feel like

[fallow otter]

Phial+DFV for me

[stoic needle]

whatever sims the highest

[lament mica]

sims for trinkets do confuse people a lot w/ double on use

[torn atlas]

What's DFV?

[lament mica]

sire trinket

deathfire vessel

[torn atlas]

Ahh righto

[lament mica]

dreadfire vessel i mean. im think of DFG from league

[thorny pond]

R/WSB god

[fallow otter]

I think it's more that people usually dislike having another bind for them, refuse to do it or don't track the cooldown of trinkets. They just macro it to their dps cd and forget about it, so you add a second trinket that you cast do that with and they can't do it

I use 2 on-use and it's easy. Pressing one bind every 1.5mins isn't exactly mindblowing

[lament mica]

ya that's true. I've just seen a ton of ppl come into class discords with "why do my trinkets sim differently when its the same 2 trinkets" and its like noob, its the order they are used in

[fallow otter]

Yup

That doubles down on that I was saying, you want to use the short cd trinket first

[safe barn]

stunkei u here my man

have you chosen the path of the poison?

[fallow otter]

But that doesn't line up with their dps cd, so they bind their 2min trinket to it and use that first

[fallow otter]

Well... My rogue is 222ilvl and has sin setup and I killed some bosses, does that count 🤔

But it can't be my main yet

[safe barn]

i can't be ass main

i enjoy doing m+ too so

unless something happens in 9.1 ill have to stick with ass/outlaw

[fallow otter]

Unless brm or mw get good I'll have to stick to ww for raid 😋

But yep, I'm the same I still outlaw for m+

[wanton path]

Yo I was going to craft Zoldyck for sire prog but looking at logs the boss damage in p3 seems to be the same as ppl using doomblade? whats the go with that is it just sample size or what

[lament mica]

sample size / luck cuz according to math zoldyck is still better. But its clearly pretty close so run whatever u want to between the 2

[wanton path]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3hZpjmRXMbwGr6cQ#fight=1&type=damage-done&targetclass=Boss&phase=4

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/y4wGrD1QmRPW3xBX#fight=4&type=damage-done&phase=4&target=26

top zold vs top DB

seems strange only small difference dont rlly wanna craft another lego for 50-100dps

[strange python]

haste crit for leggo right?

[lament mica]

its a leggo u will continue to use throughout the xpac. for prog no matter what boss execute ST will always be important

but ya liek i said doomblade is so overtuned that its close so jut run wat u want

[wanton path]

yeh think ill just get 235 DB and craft zold for next tier if needed