assassination

[loud niche]

my arti is trashed from having like 10+ 100 parses and then dying cuz they called wipe when there wasn't a real reason to

then the kill ofc i died cuz im bad

[young idol]

i can relate

lol

[kind talon]

Oh u killed arti?

Nice

My guild stuck on arti prog rn

[loud niche]

but my shriek is 94, hunt 95, hungering 91, arti 17, inerva 95 since 9.0.5

[kind talon]

Sick

My shriek is 12

Huntsman is 8

Hungering 15

🙂

[young idol]

my rogue doesnt have any mythic logs besides sludge but i caught rank 2 heroic sludge burw

for my bracket

lul

thats the part where we all make fun of me

[foggy beacon]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[loud niche]

thanks for the help whispyr! much appreciated!

[kind talon]

Sadge

I tried to help too

[balmy condor]

No problem

[balmy condor]

We all help :)

[kind talon]

Nah tbh I just meme

I’m secondarily like 6% useful

I’m like

Spiked burrs niya conduit in terms of dps

[balmy condor]

Well if you meme and you made someone smile, isn’t that helpful too?

[kind talon]

Awwww

Tyty

[void pecan]

I got PI tonight on our lady progression

To the moon with that damage.

[balmy condor]

🚀 🌕

[void pecan]

Slapping the warlocks into place

[strange python]

Got a question concerning m council...is it worth even throwing a bleed on the other bosses for energy regen or should u just tunnel the main boss during each phase?

[tough mountain]

should i inbvest in doomblade and play assa or should i wait?

[dusty sapphire]

tunnel main boss

[loud niche]

tyty! i just know that whispyr gets nowhere near the deserved gratitude

[kind talon]

Lmao all I did was flame your guild

Good luck man

Hope you get CE

[loud niche]

thanks :\ me too Sadge

[kind talon]

Me too sadge

[loud niche]

is this true? i thought it would be worth for the energy regen?

[kind talon]

But the video game does not want to give me weapons

Oh well

[signal gulch]

you can put a garrote on the others but wouldnt suggest doing ruptures

[dusty sapphire]

in order to get the enrgy regen u need to not only have bleeds but maintain poisons

loses value on the main boss alot

i usually rupture the attendant so when it dies i get energy back

[loud niche]

do you also tunnel on huntsman?

[dusty sapphire]

no

[loud niche]

so, idk about you but if i just tab target another boss it almost instantly has a poison on it. Just feels like there would be a dps gain from it, but I dont know, and havent even touched council so

inb4 feelcraft

[glossy plover]

for m+ seems we go zold...but for single target/2 target do we now play dashing or doom?

[loud niche]

doom is best ST

in the pins there should be some good info on how it all works

[glossy plover]

wasn't sure

based on ravenholt info

[dusty sapphire]

i tried it when we killed council and it ust takes a lot of time and dps loss just from swapping and dotting the other bosses who dont count in the dmg anyways

[loud niche]

hm

[dusty sapphire]

but in huntsman u want to maintain on all of the targets since u want to kill them

all*

[strange python]

Yeah thats what I kinda figured..guild's first night of prog and mainly just focused the main boss and the attendant when it came out

[dusty sapphire]

as assa ur really not gonna do any dps to the attendant so putting a rupture is worth cus of the enrgt regen

[glossy plover]

for doomblade...crit/haste or crit/mastery?

[dusty sapphire]

haste/crit

mastery not good in raid

[glossy plover]

ok thx

[dusty sapphire]

np:D

[willow isle]

What item would you put to best choice to farm in m+ for "fresh" 60lvl? Have 170ilvl rn, but I am doing low m+ already. But dunno what item would benefit me the most

[dusty sapphire]

at that ilvl, anything with higher lvl and agility really

[stoic needle]

Weapons and a Phial

[willow isle]

Yeah but for example for my dh it was weapon+ trinket from plaguefall. That was over the other things

[kind talon]

Yeah

That’s what phial is

[balmy condor]

Garrote only

Rupture isn’t worth, but tabbing a garrote over is a gain

[icy crater]

I think i fucked up the covenant skip when you swap...? How does it work again?

[visual hearth]

what stat weights go in gloomblade hands?

for raiding

[lament mica]

gloomblade sounds spooky

[kind talon]

What do u mean

[balmy condor]

I’m not sure what the question is

[kind talon]

There’s one skip for a quest

Like right after you skip to get your covenant ability or whatever

[balmy condor]

Always go crit/haste on every pve legendary

[kind talon]

Otherwise there’s nothing

[balmy condor]

Yeh

Do quest, fill bar, win game

[icy crater]

Yeah I'm running around getting anima to upgrade my sanctum but I'm pretty sure I could have skipped this, never saw an option though idk

[strange python]

yeah

[torn atlas]

Isn't that only for threads of fate?

[icy crater]

No I just swapped on my main

[torn atlas]

I've bounced around covs on my rogue several times but feel like I've only seen the option to skip set up once on an alt.

[lean coral]

You can skip set ups if you've done the set up on another toon

So like on your first fae toon you gotta do the play

Every other toon can skip

[hoary rover]

Question about Strategem vs Vigor. What would be a good amount of haste to justify transitioning from vigor to strategem?

[ionic kelp]

it’s sim higher than vigor for me at 10% haste

and I refuse to play it cause it feels terrible for me

[icy crater]

gotcha thanks, that's why I didn't see it

[balmy condor]

Just when it sims higher tbh

[icy crater]

time to grind 30 renown before tuesday pog

[hoary rover]

Thanks, im currently running with Vigor because of the energy regen but my guild is currently progressing on denathrius and i feel like im always full on energy. Not sure if its because of the Vigor or because of the add phases where I get multiple bleeds off.

[hazy isle]

hey new assa here lol. which stat should i put on my legendary ?

[balmy condor]

Probably the latter

[balmy condor]

Crit haste

[hoary rover]

Haste and crit

[hazy isle]

ok and which item ?

shpulders or hands ?

[balmy condor]

That depends entirely on what legendary

Doomblade is usually recommended for hands

Since slg has some pretty good shoulders

But shoulder/hands are actually the same stats

So other than that, doesn’t matter

[hazy isle]

ok ty 🙂

[late veldt]

So have not been so active since 9.0.5 launch but why have we abandoned Vigor? Feels like VW buff wasent that big.

[shy dust]

because

[late veldt]

I guess it makes sense for single target with Doomblade

[shy dust]

deeper

just does more damage

enough energy

especially as venthyr

with flag+thrillseeker

[late veldt]

Yeah, and I guess MfD allways been a good alternative in M+ anyway?

[shy dust]

yeah mfd is good for m+

[sick cairn]

is deeper and vigor that big of a dps change? im NF assassin btw so idk about the flaggelation yet

im planning to swap soon but im still holding back

[late veldt]

Im in the same situation

[sick cairn]

i feel like it depends per covenant

since necro keeps making points

i dont think they need blindside and vigor

so its like elaborate planning and deeper will be stronger for them

[dark crag]

For me with NF vigor sims about 5 dps less than DS

[sick cairn]

so its not that big of a difference?

[shy dust]

pins can show you

its like 2% ahead of 2nd best

[crystal blaze]

30 dps here with 13% haste

[dark crag]

I played a few bosses with DS and outside opener it doesn't really feel different

Nothing smart pooling before cds or what ever can't fix

[sick cairn]

dang NF is in the dirt ;-;

[late veldt]

Been hanging on afraid of a venthyr nerf but seems like it stays.

losing soulshape is a pain also

[sick cairn]

same actually

trueee

[shy dust]

i miss soulshape so much

[sick cairn]

the reason why i stayed is because I was thinking there would be a nerf

[shy dust]

its very noticable in raid

[sick cairn]

true

[shy dust]

i dont think ive cast door of shadows like more than once

in 2 reclears now

[late veldt]

Yeah, soulshape is used in every encounter

[sick cairn]

i use soulshape to ignore annihilation

[late veldt]

Well sludge depends 😉

[sick cairn]

for artificer

[late veldt]

yeah

[sick cairn]

i also use it to ignore march

its also way too good for SLG

to get anima

[shy dust]

its amazing

[late veldt]

True

[shy dust]

for slg as a backup for soaks

[sick cairn]

yeah

[shy dust]

meanwhile

door is just

useless

feels like i could walk the distance

in the cast time

[sick cairn]

the cast time is just

ughh

i dont care if we can get 2 charges of it

its jsut a grappling hook with a cast

[shy dust]

it should have

half the cast time

[late veldt]

Im just curious what new soulbinds that will be available in 9.1.0 but that update may be far away

[shy dust]

and it would be pretty good

still worse than soulshape

[sick cairn]

im also curious of joining venthyr

[late veldt]

Would be interesting to see when PTR comes out, but ill likely switch before that

[sick cairn]

because of the palumor 1 shot

in pvp

[late veldt]

Yeah but the PvP part of flag seems destined for a nerf

[sick cairn]

there is literally no set up, as long as there is rupture and garrote on the enemy

its a 40k dps 1 shot

flag>shiv>vendetta>badge>vanish>envenom>MFD>envenom

[eternal steeple]

Hello Boyz, in mm+ do you use your flag on cd ?

[sick cairn]

just on the biggest target

for example, HOA the walking houses

the shard of halkiel or something i forgot

just use flag on the must die target

like in mist, use it on tianmen villager

during aoe

u can align it with you vendetta if u can

[eternal steeple]

Like after applaying garrote

[sick cairn]

for more value

[eternal steeple]

Flag on the muet die target and burst ?

[sick cairn]

yeah

but if its aoe just fan and keep rupturing the others

it will still get damaged by flag when u use points

if im not wrong

[late veldt]

Same situations you would use sepsis or whatever

[sick cairn]

yes

[eternal steeple]

Like if i crimson tempest i got the damage and the haste buff ?

[sick cairn]

i feel like NF will be top tier if sepsis procced subterfuge garrote

im not kidding

oke heres a situation

there is an aoe situation

garrote 3 target

fan to 5 points

flag big target

then cast tempest

then fan rupture others

re apply tempest then u good

just repeat rotation

[eternal steeple]

OK ok ty ! :p

[safe barn]

Where do i fit sepsis on my opener/rotation

[balmy condor]

On cooldown, with a shiv right afterwards

If you play ma, and you have a sepsis line up during vendetta, you want to vanish towards the end of sepsis so the bonk gets affected

[sick cairn]

man i wish snapshotting was back in dots

MA would be BIS

the whole duration critting

[frosty aspen]

In the MA window. Do you always prioritise mut over blindside ambush proc if you have the energy?

[balmy condor]

You use the blindside proc

[safe barn]

I was struggling to do well in council today which was weird cuz that is basically a ST fight

And i did well on xymoth

[frosty aspen]

Thanks. What’s the plan with sepsis ambush proc. Do we want to get that off over mut or is the difference negligible?

[safe barn]

You ignore the sepsis proc

[subtle tundra]

you dont touchy

[verbal sparrow]

is there any bis spreadsheet for assa ?

[subtle tundra]

🥺

[verbal sparrow]

I know Sub has/had one so im wondering if assa has aswell

[balmy condor]

Had*

People started using it to make decisions about their vaults and stuff over simming themselves

So I removed it

[verbal sparrow]

[versed mica]

this with MA or doom?

[green saffron]

Hi, should I use Shiv on CD or pool energy before to fit 2 evenom? Is Shiv same mechanic as old Toxic Blade?

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[torpid willow]

Hello everyone ! Do you know if it's possible to sim how much dps you would do if you switch covenant ? I'm actually NF and when i see how Necro is good on Outlaw i want to change, but i play Assa for raid and i don't want to loose.

[fallow otter]

Yes, select unlock all soulbinds

Then choose a soulbind from another covenant

[torpid willow]

Thank you very much :)

I suppose it will include the use of the Special Ability too?

[sick cairn]

MA

[versed mica]

shiv on cd, waiting on it is a loss. Yes, it's exactly toxic blade

[sick cairn]

it not being toxic blade is triggering me

[versed mica]

same tbh

[sick cairn]

im not used to pressing shiv so much

ahahahhaha

[versed mica]

I'd prefer sin in keys but I'm the enrage soother in my M+ group, and it so happens that shiv is part of sin's rotation :)

[sick cairn]

noicee

i wanna build sin but a 235 zoldyck is pretty late

i have to do a bunch of torghast runs

i play all 3 specs but assassination was really pooped on this expa

and now that its alive again i would give it a try

[polar willow]

large majority of the power comes from the power, not the items stats

[sick cairn]

the power itself?

[polar willow]

yes

[sick cairn]

so a 190 zoldyck will do fine?

alright maybe next week

[polar willow]

as far as i know the power doesnt scale with the ilvl of the legendary its on

[shadow helm]

JUICY 15k crits envenoms BRO

[alpine oasis]

are the 7agi gems still worth it over crit haste?

[polar willow]

sim it

[gentle gyro]

[fossil slate]

As an example I've got a 225 Zoldyck and a 190 doomblade and the 190 still Sims better in ST

[sick cairn]

oh dang

nice

[strange python]

Vigor and ds are sooo close if you don’t get PI I just realize

Like 50 dps

Vigor feels much more comfortable

[subtle tundra]

if you dont care about min-maxing, yea

[strange python]

If you want to max ds you gotta get PI

Else, good luck

[subtle tundra]

that goes for anything

if you want max dps get PI

[strange python]

Lack of energy all the time

[subtle tundra]

lack of energy doesnt mean less dps man

there's a reason DS sims better

and its not cause raidbots is bad

[strange python]

It really does, if u’re unlucy and get 4 cp mutilates and you need another one... uf

[subtle tundra]

yes

[strange python]

Not saying raidbots is bad

[subtle tundra]

and sims

account

for that

its still better

just cause it "feels" bad

it doesnt mean it isnt more dps

[strange python]

Well I went for the dummie

[subtle tundra]

AH YEA

THE DUMMY TEST

SORRY

[strange python]

Difference was not even notable

Noticeable*

[subtle tundra]

its 50 dps

bro

[strange python]

Just chill 😄

[subtle tundra]

its negligible

you obviously wont see the difference

[strange python]

Why u guys get mad? Hajaha

[subtle tundra]

i dont get mad

its just

that its full of people

that dont understand

50 dps is a huge upgrade in comparison to what you can get out of gear

[strange python]

Maybe there’s a lot of people learning about sin rogue, youbeon’t have to be saying AAARGH “THERE’s A LOT OF PPL WHO DON’t UNDERSTAND”

I don’t know man, just chill

[subtle tundra]

well i explained to you

and still didnt understand it

[dark crag]

If you always hit sim dps sure, but someone that isn't used to ds will achieve better dps with vigor than ds

[strange python]

Okay dude whatever

[subtle tundra]

as i said, if you care about min-maxing you can learn to play it.

[strange python]

Some times it’s impossible to talk in here

Whatever really

[mellow phoenix]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Herodamage: https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[subtle tundra]

you kinda seem to ignore my point but whatever

really

[strange python]

I don’t, just said for me vigor is more comfortable if it means 50 dps increase

You say ds is better, okay then, nothing more to argue about

You look like “dude u’re bad shut up already” and I was just chilling 🤣

[subtle tundra]

never said anything about that

but whatever really

[exotic plume]

So is it a dmg loss when we pool like 2 seconds for shiv instead using it on cd??

[exotic plume]

Because of this comment

[subtle tundra]

yes, because of its low cooldown holding it causes lost uses

[tender frost]

anyone else run into this ? lol

[quiet tundra]

u need to turn in the pvp quest you get from the covenant at renown 22

[tender frost]

hmm i dont see one in my logs but I'll go see if there isnt a hand in at the tree.

[low girder]

yeah there's a quest in your sanctum that just takes you to that guy

then you can upgrade

[tender frost]

oh word, never noticed that on my main. I though it was because i swapped to nfae.

[reef axle]

for council. would we garrote all the bosses or just an one and our priority target?

[storm onyx]

Council is single target fight

[lament mica]

ye but energy regen

[native lynx]

not in mythic it isnt

[lament mica]

in mythic in particular it is

[reef axle]

Venomous wounds

[iron orchid]

you can put one bleed and poison on one of the other bosses for energy regen, but more is unnecessary

[native lynx]

guess well ignore the attendants waiters and gargolyes then lol

[reef axle]

soo eassentially only need to keep one extra up?

[storm onyx]

Ah k

[iron orchid]

yes, otherwise it will be a loss

but one to two bleeds is optimal

[jagged bobcat]

Anyone got good nameplates for Bleed tracking? using Neatplates and im thinking about switching

[limber lion]

There's several good plater profiles which track bleeds/poisons very well and have pandemic timers.

[desert rain]

I'd argue that vigor might be better in condition where you loose uptime? If it means less wasted energy

[true thistle]

is there any legitimate source that lets you check fight fukkups?

like wowanalyzer

there is no for assa : <

[desert rain]

Analyse your logs I'd say

[limber lion]

You either analyze your logs yourself or post your logs here and someone will try to help you out

[fallen fable]

Guys how bad is it to play with 207 daggers? As im 216 by wearing them.

[patent topaz]

the raid necks are so dog tier even for assa that my 210 is still better

[sterile sinew]

whats ur 210

[limber lion]

This is the best neck so the mastery-heavy necks pale in comparison.

[sterile sinew]

ye i think pvp neck is the move

[sick cairn]

pvp neck?

which one?

[patent topaz]

220 pvp necks arent an upgrade either

[limber lion]

That's a dungeon neck.

[sterile sinew]

well if you socketed one it would be better

[shadow helm]

macabre musc SHIT

[patent topaz]

I did sim all 3 necks with sockets and it wasnt

[shadow helm]

just farm one from halls bro

omg

[sterile sinew]

weird they sim higher for me

[limber lion]

Just farm the same neck from Spires.

[patent topaz]

I dont care enough to farm specific m+

[sterile sinew]

ye its too rng

i got unlucky last week did 20 pfs no phial

[south umbra]

how long does it take to swap cov and get back to max these days?

[patent topaz]

its funny that the mastery necks are so shit even when I have 25 mastery

[delicate smelt]

hi, delaying Flagellation with Vendetta always?

[balmy condor]

No

Just cast everything on cooldown

[gloomy fern]

well most fights so short nowdays its often beneficial to line except for some few

but requires you to know kill timers

[delicate smelt]

What about Shiv? Cast it always first?

[gloomy fern]

use it on cd

but try to line it up so u get at least 2 envenoms in the window

3 if ur not playing ds

[ruby ingot]

Does zoldycks also affect poison bomb dmg? I simmed with and without zoldyck on execute patchwork and zoldyck sim it did 10k more dmg

[balmy condor]

Yes

[ruby ingot]

Oh

[delicate smelt]

Ok, BL pull 2xMuti gives me 5cp instead of 4cp. What to do with Shiv?

[gloomy fern]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[gloomy fern]

will probably answer most of your questions

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9kHT4EM2ty6GiLj3y292zV soon

[shy dust]

Not even 7k

[gloomy fern]

hey mr

cant see you on the hungering top list

[limber lion]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/djXHRrc6Scx4yJmiuFhLBr
6.9k gang 😦

[shy dust]

Check the all star rankings

And I can’t seem to find you

[gloomy fern]

my guild is busy reprogging sludge with 6-7 trials

im about to jump of a cliff

[shy dust]

I’m technically n1

Cause padmaster is n1

[gloomy fern]

why are they recruiting 3/10M players

[shy dust]

Because diamonds in the rough

[limber lion]

Sleepers

[shy dust]

They do exist

[gloomy fern]

also my council logs will forever suck

[dark marten]

is crimson tempest only used on fortified weeks or during huge pulls with bolstered mobs?

[gloomy fern]

we stack up in middle after every dance instead of running to the front

[limber lion]

All of my logs will forever suck because we're never killing SLG so we're on perma-extend until 9.3

[gloomy fern]

melee literally getting 6 dnces instead of 3

its so stupid

[shy dust]

SLG nerfs coming soon ™️

[limber lion]

You always opt for CT in M+.

[limber lion]

A man can only dream.

Weird how they still haven't dropped nerfs to SLG after the HOF was filled.

[patent topaz]

idk if there are any nerfs they can make to make it not a dogshit fight

[limber lion]

They've nerfed them quite a bit previously, but they're still fucked. No one wants to reclear just because you have to do SLG for it.

[gloomy fern]

nerfs will prolly make slg more annoying with timers

[limber lion]

Reduce Skirmisher pushback by 50%
Commandos shield lasts for 3s longer
Goliath only reduces 70% of healing

Fixed, ez

[patent topaz]

still fundamentally dogshit with ability timings

[limber lion]

It's only dogshit because of those 3 mechanics being overly tuned and completely shit.

It's a fine fight in Heroic.

But the Mythic specific mechanics makes it awful

[patent topaz]

its mostly transitions and shitty draven orbs still

[limber lion]

I don't think Draven's RNG makes the fight bad.

At least with out guild we just push at the exact same times, even if Draven is slow

Then we just ST the last commandos as they come a few moments later.

[shy dust]

Rng on commandos is awful

[gloomy fern]

just wait until i get my 233 mh dagger

im coming for you

[shy dust]

You’re nearly 300 dps behind

[gloomy fern]

u sim 7.3k?

[shy dust]

200*

Counting at 6 am is hard

[gloomy fern]

just need to fetch me some 233 loot

[shy dust]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wrW2YX32L6iy2udbstcvrx

Iqd goes hard

[gloomy fern]

235 legy, luxury

[shy dust]

It was that or holding out for Akaari

[fallen ginkgo]

how much haste you got Rae?

[shy dust]

Like 15%

I think

[gloomy fern]

well ash will be back until sub possibly get dug up from the grave

[fallen ginkgo]

pretty low isnt it?

[strange python]

Night elf

[shy dust]

No such thing as low of a stat really

You use what gear you have and the combination that sims well

It’s not like a certain amount of haste is the sweet spot

Also night elf BiS

[fallen ginkgo]

ah ok, thanks for clarifying

[gloomy fern]

wahts wrong with ur sim btw

how is 2 haste enchants 72 dps loss

[shy dust]

Oh it’s Iqd

[drifting cloud]

iqd

[shy dust]

During lust Iqd gives your highest star guaranteed

Those haste gems move haste to my top stat instead of crit

[gloomy fern]

ah

[north basin]

Explain how this notorious trinket works? It gives 2.5% damage and 800 crit at pull?

Thos is what i saw from log

[shy dust]

Iqd?

[patent topaz]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3tHHd178Sj9cpX1Kizp7fV my assa gear is kinda dog

[north basin]

Ye iqd

[shy dust]

It has like some conditionals that will make it proc a certain action

Like if a mob is under 20% it will deal damage to them

If you’re low on health it will heal you

If a healer is low on mana it gives them mana

[gloomy fern]

does it affect whole raid or just 5 group

[shy dust]

If you have aggro it drops clones that taunt

It’s whole raid

[north basin]

But it does have 3 min cd

[shy dust]

If none of the conditions are met

It gives you a fuck ton of either of your two highest stats

[north basin]

Ahh 2 stats? Nice thought 1 only

[gloomy fern]

its bomb on sub 4 min farm fights i guess

[shy dust]

Maybe I worded that wrong

But it’s 1 stat

[north basin]

So 2.5% damage it did it wa only at last 20% of boss?

[gloomy fern]

i would go insane using it on 10min fights

[shy dust]

It just picks randomly between your 2 highest

So if it’s haste and crit

It will randomly buff crit OR haste

Unless during lust then if stat procs it’s 100% your highest

And yeah it’s very nice for farm bosses

[north basin]

I saw 800+ something crit in some log, pretty decent

[shy dust]

Amazing for sludgefist

Getting like 900 crit or w:e

During a pillar break is nuts

[north basin]

Need to hunt for this trinket then, 220 plague i already made

[gloomy fern]

only got a 203 from week1

[shy dust]

I’ve got every good trinket besides dreadfire and phial

Phial is stupid good and it infuriates me

[north basin]

Well phial is farmable

[gloomy fern]

ye running phial and inerva/skulk depending on fight

[shy dust]

220 phial is only 10 dps worse than a 226 chain

For me at least

[north basin]

So phial + chain for average damage on sludge, and phial + iqd for these juicy 99% logs then?)

[shy dust]

Phial is a very nuts trinket for sludgefist

Even on prog I’d say

You use it on pull and final break

[gloomy fern]

phial is active 24/7 ur drunk

[shy dust]

Iqd

[north basin]

U wont able to use iqd on 1 pullar and last?

[shy dust]

It’s nearly 7 am I’m tired

As sin on M sludge

You vendetta on pull 2 and 4th

[lone mica]

Hey can someone explain, what happened with the first flag? I use it deal some damage but don't get haste buff for me after use (initial and finisher) https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qRxrYvMyQDhzA3XP#fight=4&type=damage-done&source=5&ability=345316&pins=0%24Separate%24%23244F4B%24auras-gained%24-1%240.0.0.Any%24181956790.0.0.Rogue%24true%240.0.0.Any%24true%24323654&targetbuffs=323654&translate=true

[gloomy fern]

dont vanish come up late for you on 2nd pillar when u do regular opener @shy dust

[shy dust]

It’s only 3 seconds

You still get full value

[balmy condor]

Seems fine to me, not sure why you’re linking the debuff

[shy dust]

You should vendetta

Very early

Like 3rd global

So it’s up for the 2nd break instsntly

[lone mica]

I'm dont get any haste buff on 1st flag

[gloomy fern]

but yeah can get some juicy envenoms on pillars

r1 is kinda all about getting ur crits in those windows

[shy dust]

No r1

[north basin]

U do some precondition for buffless first pillar?

[shy dust]

Is about getting 6 PIs

[gloomy fern]

well that also

[shy dust]

But yes especially with a boss like sludge

[north basin]

Like 3 envenoms into shiv

[shy dust]

Get good crit rng on break and you’re set

[gloomy fern]

i see miki has joined the pi gang

[shy dust]

I also was part of the pi gang this week

Got it on pull though so not that impactful

Getting pi for break 2/4 would be nuts

[gloomy knoll]

still waiting for the vigor / dashing scoundril / 10 pi, 12k dps sludge kill

[gloomy fern]

yeah, we got 1 disc who pi himself, "gotta ramp my shields"

[north basin]

PI kinda loosing its pride value, coz everyone see u used it without digging into logs

[gloomy knoll]

when yall gonna pay some priests for that

[shy dust]

Not if you use it prepull

If you get pi pre pull doesn’t show

👀

[gloomy fern]

well if u go int obuffs it does

[north basin]

Stop revealing!

[gloomy fern]

but not overview rankings

[north basin]

Its always get better feeling when u are best among 3k players than best among 20 pi users)

[gloomy fern]

nice krajll stole r1 on inerva from pi monster also

[shy dust]

3 people

Nearly beat him on shriekwing

[gloomy fern]

i died on shriek yday got inted

i cried

[alpine oasis]

does cloak work on stasis traps?

[shy dust]

I wish WCL just blacklisted shit like that obvious padding

Yes

[strange python]

yes

[gloomy fern]

not using cloak for ghost

actually some nuts slg logs on sin now

ima just go krajll style, i dislike ct

[shy dust]

Ct feels shit on that boss

I had snd almost drop

At some points

Just from not casting envenom

[gloomy fern]

unlucky

lol ns, mfd, ct with MA r2 on sire

what is happening

6k dps p3 also

china innovating

[civic trellis]

How bad is to cast shiv at 6 cp if you are good in energy?

Or is it bad at all

[gloomy fern]

if shivs comes of cd its fine

better than holding shiv

[civic trellis]

ye 6 cp + shiv just refreshing

i wonder if there are any sims

about this

[limber lion]

There are

And the sims say that you press Shiv

[civic trellis]

What do they say?

Nise

[limber lion]

You slam Shiv even at max CP

[civic trellis]

Thanksssss @limber lion @gloomy fern

Bah is hard to not refresh dots inside shiv windows

i guess i will get used to it

[gloomy fern]

i mean you do it if you need to

not the end of the world but not optimal

[civic trellis]

Yeah but i would prefer to not 😄

[limber lion]

Just need to think 10s ahead when playing Assa

You see Shiv is coming off cd, you refresh gar/rup

[civic trellis]

even if not in pandemic?

i am waiting always for pandemic

[limber lion]

Yeh, it's much better to reapply early than having to do that inside Shiv windows

You of course don't want to reapply a rupture if it has 20s left, but if it has like 15s left and your Shiv comes off cd in 5s, you'd reapply rup

[civic trellis]

Yeah I see, that makes lot of sense

trying to minimize the wasted uptime

That sounds fun

[crimson palm]

Keep in mind reapplying that close can starve you

You need to think a bit further ahead

[verbal sparrow]

any minmaxing 8head that knows how long it takes till your combo points start to falling off/how quickly ?

[verbal sparrow]

or knows about some wa/addon

[limber lion]

Yeah, always like 10s seconds ahead

[civic trellis]

18 secs iirc

[limber lion]

Probably even more, hard to put a specific timeframe for it

[verbal sparrow]

18 sec from last gained cp ?

or out of combat

[shadow helm]

doomblade gang?

[civic trellis]

out of combat yeah

[verbal sparrow]

ty

[civic trellis]

you use mfd at 18 secs before pull

[verbal sparrow]

would be handy to have some kind of weakaura that tracks it but im not aware of any

[limber lion]

It's around 20s to start depleting combo points and they deplete at around 10s per combo point after that

Finish and use after

[limber lion]

What were you planning to do with that info?

[verbal sparrow]

sometimes I have combo points after resetting raid boss and sometimes i can use snd from the last "pull"

[limber lion]

Oh and it's either after last combo point or after exiting combat.

They share the same timer.

[amber quail]

Which are the stats/gear of simmed char used for pin?

[limber lion]

Yeh I do that as well.

So in short, if you have 6 combo points, it takes you 70 seconds to lose all combo points.

So you need to pull very quickly after the boss respawns.

[gloomy fern]

i will go over 7k with denathrius ring

[limber lion]

Just need to get it now

[gloomy fern]

well about 8 ppl got it in vault this week so high chance if its a boss drop

[limber lion]

Oh damn nice.

I'm a solid 230 pulls in deep on SLG :^)

Very pog

[sullen pagoda]

hopefully we dont int reclear on SLG this week

and actually kill sire

so i can kill it on rogue

cribdk curse

[gloomy fern]

we had 180 on SLG

but ppl were bad

[royal cloak]

quick question: if i will never kill slg on mythic, i craft doomblade on shoulders or

[sullen pagoda]

our FK on SLG was 214 pulls talk about being bad

[final star]

[patent topaz]

120 slg 170 sire. Sire felt super int in places

[sullen pagoda]

@royal cloak its same stat distribution so it makes no difference then

[royal cloak]

kk thx!

[true thistle]

!blindside

[prisma monolith]

Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message

[true thistle]

anyone uses this macro?

or you go with alternate use[alt]

[sullen pagoda]

just bind ambush to another button

[verbal mantle]

yes please

get another bind than this scuffed gnome sequencer shit

[mellow phoenix]

!bis

[spice spire]

Proggers but also FUCK

[nimble spoke]

Do any of you fellow rogues prefer sin over outlaw for M+ 15s? I'm trying to decide whether to get Zoldyck and rush it, or to get my DB up from 190 and just keep raising Celerity for M+ 15s

[sand dirge]

u can play anything in +15s. if u dont like outlaw, play sin

[nimble spoke]

I just haven't tested Sin in M+, so I don't know how the aoe feels. Was wondering if Zol and CT made it feel good to play rather than Blade Flurry aoe

[sand dirge]

u can actually craft master assassin for outlaw and sin and be fine

[strange python]

I prefer outlaw this week, I liked sin last week. Play what you want. I have 235 MA, DB, and Celerity.

But I have the gear to flex between the two, its honestly and matter of preference

[nimble spoke]

I wish we got more ash :(

[limber lion]

It does feel good, but hard to compare it to Blade Flurry.

[strange python]

I agree

Its also a lot more effort lol

Outlul is so easy in keys

But on tyrannical weeks ill likely always play sin

[nimble spoke]

I really enjoy dot play styles. Maybe I will leave Celerity at 210 for now and get Zold up to 210 and decide which spec I prefer and if it's Sin, whether I prefer Zold or DB in raid. (My guild is just 10/10 H CN, have only tried a couple of pulls on Mythic Shriek)

I main swapped a lot for the guild before a few weeks ago, and was a mage, then warrior, then finally this rogue, so I'm feeling very much ash-starved. By now, I would have at least two 235s. Should have just played what I wanted from the start :p

I appreciate your answers!

[limber lion]

Yeah, Assa is probably the preferred spec in raiding overall but if you play M+ a lot, you can always play Outlaw in M+ and switch to Assa when raiding.

[civic trellis]

Assa is great for first 6 mythic bosses

[limber lion]

For the first 8 bosses and last boss*

[civic trellis]

Nah xD

[gloomy fern]

?

[limber lion]

It's pretty much only worse than Outlaw on SLG.

[civic trellis]

And sire and council and inerva

[gloomy fern]

no

[fierce tulip]

sire its best lol

[limber lion]

No

[gloomy fern]

outlaw literally only pad adds on inerva

[fierce tulip]

best execute class on sire

[limber lion]

How many mythic bosses have you killed @civic trellis

[civic trellis]

i am in SLG

[limber lion]

Because you're just wrong.

[pallid galleon]

I've built the master assassin legendary with crit and versa for m+ and then switched to sin, so I'm wondering if I should rebuilt it with haste/crit. It's only tier 1 right now, so it's not that big of a deal.

[limber lion]

Council is a ST fight = Assa is better
Inerva is a ST fight = Assa is better
Sire is a ST fight with heavy demand for execute = Assa is WAY better

[slender berry]

unless your name is chickenlord council is pure st

[gloomy fern]

to be fair doomblade is better on sire now i think

[civic trellis]

Council is st in p1

in p2 meh 50/50

p3 add cleave

[gloomy fern]

i will use doomblade this reclear

[slender berry]

doomblade is always worse for sire unless your raid cant reach the 40.5 %

[red bloom]

do you not have boomers in your raid?

[civic trellis]

nope

[gloomy fern]

nah doomblade do more dmg p3 vs zold

from what ive seen

[slender berry]

nah

looking at a few logs of good players deciding to just not use the optimal legendarys

doesnt mean doomblade is better for p3

[limber lion]

Doomblade is higher overall damage and it's not even close.

Zoldyck is only used for progression because the execute damage is needed.

[slender berry]

most guilds just destroy denathrius anyway since hes a easy boss so most people just go with doomblade for highest overall

[gloomy fern]

from logs doomblade has more p3 dmg also so

by far

[slender berry]

that is because the good players just dont use zoldyck

because it doesnt matter

zoldyck is easily +100-200 dps p3

[gloomy fern]

thats why doomblade beat them 200-1k dps

top logs vs top logs

[slender berry]

idk if youre trolling

w/e

[red bloom]

tbf, most guilds easily killing it have killed it a good while ago now, its a pretty high pull count boss for a lot more

[slender berry]

yea but if you look at logs you see the easy reclears mostly

that was my point

[gloomy fern]

why would we talk about prog logs when we are talking most dmg

make no sense

[slender berry]

i pull 6.6 k dps with zoldyck easily p3

[frigid kestrel]

Sims tell a different story. Legit the only reason you are seeing this data is because to amount of people that use Doom vs Zold (when the boss is on farm Doom wins out), and most Zold kills are sloppier then the clean Doom kills.

[slender berry]

show me the doomblade logs except the 1 top log who had a very short kill timer who beats that

@gloomy fern

[strange python]

How do you even play sin on Sire? So many adds

[limber lion]

There's really not.

[marble hemlock]

You disable nameplates in p1 and multi dot in p2

[limber lion]

Wait, disabling nameplates is big brain. I always had my fps drop to like 11 when they spawn. Maybe disabling them would help

[marble hemlock]

I mean i have them on to spike for cp but

[desert rain]

Assa is better for prog Inerva right? Since add dmg are not that important

[limber lion]

Yes.

[desert rain]

OK ty

[marble hemlock]

You can just blacklist them in your plate settings

[undone eagle]

Assa rogues > sub in both m+ & raids right?

[untold nest]

Yes atm, but outlaw still m+ king

[frail fossil]

probably even in m+ but assa should be slightly better

and for raid assa all the way

and m+ outlaw still bis

[undone eagle]

Yeye so can we confirm that sub is totally dead? xD

Only good for pvp

Rbg

[red bloom]

sub is decent in M+

[slender berry]

sub is my go to maw specc

[red bloom]

kek

[undone eagle]

Time to roll back to assa again finally

I miss it so much

[desert rain]

Sub is best for outdoor activities lmo

[undone eagle]

Legion times was best

@desert rain yep rbg

[frail fossil]

sub is a good torghast spec no cap

rest is not their territory

[undone eagle]

Cheers for the answers guys

But tell me please, is assa playable with MA?

or do i need to fix another bis lego for pve

[frail fossil]

yes

[normal spoke]

That just made me laugh

[frail fossil]

u want dooblade/zoldyck

but MA is fine

[undone eagle]

MA mostly for pvp?

[frail fossil]

until u have those

MA is fine in m+ too

[undone eagle]

ok cheers 🙂

[limber lion]

By the way, here's a 1min execute sim using my character comparing 235 DB and 235 Zoldyck and Zoldy still wins.

[nimble spoke]

If my guild has Heroic CN on farm, I have 210 Celerity and 190 Doomblade, do you think it's a safer bet to get Zoldyck 210 first if we're trying to see what we can do in Mythic and I want to only get KSM? Thinking ahead for new raid and trying to do what would be optimal for M+

[limber lion]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/x1eCk4RAvSn74ezMK4CZGR

The Sire execute is actually closer to 3 minutes, so Zoldyck would pull even more ahead.

[undone eagle]

9.4k pog my dude

My sub rogue 226 gives like 6k 🤣🤣

[frail fossil]

that's 1min execute sim bro

[undone eagle]

Ah soz didnt pay attention

[limber lion]

:p

The best 5min PW sim is around 7.3k my boy

[undone eagle]

Thats decent anyways 😄

Anyways im glad blizz are making assa playable again

Sub is so messed up if u fail a rotation

[frail fossil]

they didn't change anything tho

they just gave it damage

[undone eagle]

Also the dot thing they get after 5 hits can fuck u up

[frail fossil]

and cut the chase i guess

[limber lion]

And buffed Venthyr and Lashing Scars

And fixed Envenom bug

And buffed Doomblade

[undone eagle]

Yep

[slender berry]

if you go to advanced sims
do enemy_initial_health_percentage="40"
max_time="200"
bloodlust_time="100" (depending on when your guild uses melee lust)
its a pretty accurate sim of sire p3

[frigid kestrel]

And Buffed Doomblade

[frail fossil]

yeah i mean doomblade doesn't really change the flow of the spec

it's just more damage

[limber lion]

Well with the changes we're playing BS and DS generally.

[frigid kestrel]

CCT and VW change does

[limber lion]

But yeah, it's not much.

Bigger damage = better feeling

Feels good to do big deeps

[frail fossil]

yeah just thought that was funny that assa was always playable

it was just tuned like shit

[frigid kestrel]

It legit feels better with CCT and VW changes

[frail fossil]

cut the chase is niiice tho

[frigid kestrel]

Na, it felt like shit to

[limber lion]

Yeh. I've been playing Assa since the second aura buff. It's been fine, numbers were janky

[frail fossil]

VW change doesn't impact anything dude, it's cuz they took off 10% energy regen from snd

[stoic needle]

Ideally you want haste vers, the crit is devalued because of the effect of the legendary

[limber lion]

Well, I've only played Assa since Legion but was forced to swap for SL

[frail fossil]

and put it somewhere else

[frigid kestrel]

IN AOE it absolutely does

VW makes M+ Energy regen feel better

in ST not so much

[undone eagle]

EXACTLY MY STORY LOL

and let me guess, u didnt play BFA so much cuz it was dogshit? 🤣

[fierce tulip]

at what targets should i Start FOK in m+

[shadow helm]

5

4

[limber lion]

Well, not much in Uldir/TEP but did get more active in 8.3

[pallid spear]

Which was the worst part pog

[fierce tulip]

Feels like in certain dungeons like TOP doomblade would beat out MA or zoldyck then?

since its mostly ST or like 3 mobs

[pallid spear]

I always play zoldyck idk 👀

[onyx wind]

a lot of stuff has changed playstyle wise

[pallid spear]

My brain doesnt work rn what dungeon is top?

[fierce tulip]

Theater of Pain

[pallid spear]

Aaaah yeah ty

[stoic needle]

Yeah there's a few dungeons like that, top, plaguefall, SD, maybe spires or mists with a coordinated group

[pallid spear]

Doomblade could be alright there

Specially with tyrannical

[stoic needle]

I've used it in top and pf and it works fine

[onyx wind]

well u have to realise that on every single pack or singular mob

u need to put up bleeds

[frail fossil]

mist ?

[onyx wind]

which is why doomblade loses value

[stoic needle]

If you're just focused on killing prio targets like the foxes and butterflies in the maze

[onyx wind]

also execute on stuff is really nice when stuff like boomies and mages exist

[stoic needle]

I wouldn't recommend it in a pug

Doomblade is just a different playstyle. You spread bleeds and then focus a prio target, you give up some aoe damage to kill something dangerous asap

[onyx wind]

but yea, if there was ever a time for doomblade its prob in ToP

[stoic needle]

It requires the other 2 dps to pick up the slack for your weaker aoe which is why I don't recommend it for pugs

[limber lion]

I would just play MA instead of Doomblade when you need prio damage, but that might just be me.

It's faster and more in-demand burst

[rocky ruin]

anyone know i can change the item lvl in raidbots for some items?

how

[stoic needle]

But it's only every 2 minutes, doomblade is always on

[limber lion]

Yep

[stoic needle]

I feel like doomblade is more consistent. I don't like waiting on CDs when I need to blow up a prio target

[limber lion]

Yeah but there usually isn't many prio-targets all the time

[stoic needle]

There's usually one per pack in most dungeons

[frail fossil]

i think that's cap

[stoic needle]

In most dungeons you'd use doomblade in anyway

Cap?

[limber lion]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bGJdJrsgpRxFoYFxqPMdtD

[frail fossil]

u dont give up aoe damage in a dungeon that is 80% made by heavy cleave imo

[limber lion]

Like here you can see that MA does 1.6k more damage than DB in a 20s st mob with no pot/buffs/bl.

And I much prefer having that to blow up the actually prio targets, like Pride, bosses, big targets in packs etc.

I don't agree that there is a prio target in every pack

[final star]

1.6k more dps

[stoic needle]

Like let's take spires for example. You ma open on the pack with the dark seeker and the squad leader. You blow your vanish ma burst and then you kill one. Then what do you do for the other? I'd rather have doomblade so that I don't have to rely on vanish to get them both down quickly

[limber lion]

That's the thing. You kill one of them quickly and only have to deal with the second one

[safe totem]

aiight, halp, should i craft doomblade shoulders or gauntlets?

[limber lion]

Instead of having to deal with both of them

[pallid spear]

Just play zoldyck 8-)

[limber lion]

That's much more dangerous having both of them live for a longer duration.

[stoic needle]

This is why I said it's only in a coordinated group on something like fortified week where those mobs can wreck groups, your team has to pick up the rest of the slack. It's a big maybe to begin with for mists anyway

[final star]

I spread dots with MA first

THEN I focus

since I open with mfd+CT

[onyx wind]

sure doomblade is nice, but think about how little damage it actually gives u

[final star]

I can fok > rupture > fok > rupture > garrote

then go prio target

[onyx wind]

like how many envenoms are urealistically getting off on a prio target in m+

[frail fossil]

yeah that's just hard cap man u dont play doomblade in mist

[limber lion]

Usually I disagree with Exeo, but I fully agree here.

But in the end it's probably preference

[stoic needle]

I mean quite a bit if you're actually prio targeting it?

[limber lion]

Who cares

[frail fossil]

the pack needs to die the whole thing, and u can just

cc the fox

[final star]

I must be the only dude who actually runs NS over Subt though

[frail fossil]

i dont think doomblade prio dmg on 40sec fights

[onyx wind]

NS seems nice with MA

[frail fossil]

is ever relevant

[onyx wind]

but no way im giving up 3 free bleeds for some upfront damage

[safe totem]

!bis

[frail fossil]

i dont think u play doomblade in any dungeons

[frail fossil]

but that's just me

[safe totem]

!bislist

kekw

[frail fossil]

we dont have one

there is one thing which is nice

Raidbots.com

[stoic needle]

The thing is that's once every two minutes, not every pack. Doomblade works every pack with no conditionals

[onyx wind]

bis list doesnt make sense as individual items arent bis, but a combination of those items are

[safe totem]

I just wanted to know if I should make doomblade gloves when I got 223 gloves or shoulders, since my shoulders are 213 still

[frigid kestrel]

Doomblade is absolutely playable in M+ at any level of play, but it is never the play over Zold or MA

[strange python]

How

[frail fossil]

gloves

[final star]

This was +16 HoA

[limber lion]

Yeah but there legit isn't high prio targets in every pack, that's just false

[stoic needle]

Flower I don't think you're right on this there are very good dungeons for doomblade

[limber lion]

Also in higher keys the packs live longer than 30s

[onyx wind]

make gloves if u can kill mythic stone legion generals

[frail fossil]

that is a 1min sim bro on execute

[onyx wind]

if u cant then it doesnt matter

[safe totem]

can't

[strange python]

Derp

[limber lion]

You'll have CDS ready for every other pack easily

[stoic needle]

Wouldn't doomblade get better the longer the packs live then?

[onyx wind]

then u can craft shoulders all u want

[frail fossil]

no ? that's just mean u have more dot uptime on ur target and they spend more time in execute range

[limber lion]

I'm talking about the overall pack, not the focus target. After you're done with your prio target, what do you do?

You spread more ruptures/garrotes

You don't start smacking Envenom's to a Mawrat

[stoic needle]

This is about MA vs Doomblade for prio not zoldyck

[frail fossil]

realistically there is one dungeon where doomblade is maybe the play and it's top

[stoic needle]

Plaguefall

[safe totem]

ty, its Rhythm btw never forget

[stoic needle]

And SD

[frail fossil]

bro stop

[stoic needle]

[onyx wind]

huh?

[limber lion]

I can see DB being used in SD honestly because the gauntlet is fucking aids.

[stoic needle]

I've literally been running this legendary in these dungeons

It works

[frail fossil]

doesn't mean u're right bro

no offense

[safe totem]

WPT, Stonespine, Rhythmatic

[onyx wind]

OH

LOL

whats up dude

[safe totem]

[onyx wind]

long time no see

[stoic needle]

U can't say that I'm not right if u haven't even tried it

You don't even play sin in m+

[safe totem]

supsup, yea, you've been slaying on retail, been watching u a lil xD

[onyx wind]

ur a retail gamer now or what?

[safe totem]

nah, I'm a casual

[onyx wind]

stop im blushing 🥺

[frail fossil]

i mean i can come play blunderbuss, time a 18 and say it's fine

doesn't mean it's better than going with another legendary

[limber lion]

Like I said earlier, it doesn't matter which legendary you go with honestly

It's more of a matter of preference

And what you want to do

[safe totem]

@onyx wind I play both, but im kinda ass on retail

[onyx wind]

u still in WPT?

u guys transferred right?

[limber lion]

More overall = Zoldyck
More burst/prio damage = MA
More consistent prio damage = Doomblade

[frail fossil]

specially again no offense, but i do not think u are experienced enough to know how high keys are in a coordinated group

[safe totem]

yea, still in WPT, we started moving yesterday to Mograine, you coming back for TBC?

[frail fossil]

prio damage is overvalued by people so much, remember when they thought sub would be better for m+ cuz of prio damage

[sick cairn]

hello, crit haste for zoldyck right?

[frail fossil]

yeah prio damage is good but the pack aint dying chief

[onyx wind]

depends on whether they make fresh servers. CBA playing with fully geared nax bros and goblins with 300k in the bank

[final star]

Well sub is undertuned

[limber lion]

Yeah high agree

[onyx wind]

yes

[safe totem]

understandable, Yv misses you xD

[frail fossil]

i will not give up on zoldyck so fox can die 5sec earlier in mist

or MA

[onyx wind]

say hi to the boys from me

[safe totem]

you're still on disc tho xD

[final star]

just stun fox before it leaps

[limber lion]

At some point it's really necessary to have a high overall damage throughout the whole dungeon just to time the key

[final star]

It really do be like that

[limber lion]

The higher your overall damage = the faster mobs die = the more likely you're gonna time the key

[onyx wind]

left like a week ago cause i got pinged almost every day XD

[limber lion]

There are occasions where the prio damage is really good and necessary

And might cause a wipe if you don't get a mob down quickly

[safe totem]

ahaha, that's slowscope, that mf can't stop doing that shit

[frail fossil]

yeah and specially when the m+ experience is killing the mobs before ur tank run out of mobility to kite

[stoic needle]

Maybe mists isn't a good example but you can't say that it doesn't have potential in dungeons where the pull sizes are smaller. Doesn't take giga high key pushing experience to understand that

[onyx wind]

stuff like zoldyck will always be undervalued in sims

[limber lion]

But I have to emphasize again that
bigger damage does not necessarily mean better

[onyx wind]

since mobs arent in execute range 30% of the time

but a lot more

with front loaded damage which is most classes in the game

[limber lion]

Why would DB be better with smaller packs than say Zoldyck?

Isn't your whole argument about focusing one single target down

[frail fossil]

yeah i mean it's not abt pack size

[limber lion]

So does it matter if it's 1+2 mobs or 1+7

[frail fossil]

it's abt how much mobs will reach 30%

[stoic needle]

Like if you're in a situation where you're always mutilating to build cp because it's not enough targets from FoK you're still getting value from doomblade from the bleed

No my argument wasn't only about prio targets

From the beginning days ago when I first started using doomblade the first thing I said was 'it works ok in dungeons where you pull small'

[limber lion]

Ah okay fair enough

[frail fossil]

no one said it didn't work

[limber lion]

But again

[frail fossil]

some things work

but aren't better

[limber lion]

Play whatever you want

[frail fossil]

than others

[limber lion]

It's preference

[stoic needle]

And then as I played with it more I added that the priority damage was nice too

[limber lion]

If you're not doing +25's, you'll be fine with any legendary

If you like DB, play DB. If you like MA, play MA. If you like Zoldyck, play that.

[inland garnet]

on what slot do we put Dashing Scoundrel?

[onyx wind]

bench slot

[final star]

If you don't like assassination in keys, change spec

[limber lion]

Feet.

[frail fossil]

if you're doing 25+ u might wanna outlaw ✅

[limber lion]

Yeah, I think going above +22 as Assa is a bit inting

[final star]

it really does get to a point where gouge and attack range is far stronger alone

[stoic needle]

Imagine getting an outlaw mh

[final star]

let alone the damage difference

[onyx wind]

imagine wanting to play outlaw

[frail fossil]

it's not that deep

outlaw does more damage

[stoic needle]

Imagine not wanting to play killing spree

[final star]

I find myself wishing I had gouge

or attack range

more than the damage

[frail fossil]

oh it's a nice plus

but it's not why outlaw is better in keys