assassination

[tropic drum]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[cold canopy]

How would envenoms keep up slice and dice?

[nimble spoke]

Cut to the Chase passive @cold canopy

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[gusty mirage]

If you've never been venthyr, the switch is instant you just gotta go through the intro stuff

[tropic drum]

ah cheers 🙂

[silk wadi]

Do you guys see any use for the Grim Kodex Trinket in ST or Dungeons? I mean is there a specific situation/setup where it could be worth? Usually I am just using 226 Skulker's and 220 Dreadfire

[balmy condor]

Grim codex is pretty garbage

[gentle gyro]

we now have to stop damage on xymox because of the 5% hp nerf

[willow isle]

How does master poisoner interact with zoldyck? Is it good combo or nah?

[royal lantern]

garbage or simbait?

[gusty mirage]

garbage

[balmy condor]

I see you have chosen death

[balmy condor]

Not as good as literally anything else

[surreal briar]

whats prio on opener, rupture or snd?

[balmy condor]

Snd

[surreal briar]

why?

[balmy condor]

Cause it does more damage

[surreal briar]

i suppsoe xD

[arctic cloud]

more stabs = more dmg

[surreal briar]

dot plus energy regen i thought is prio

but fair

[subtle tundra]

low cp snd

not big cp

[surreal briar]

ok

[balmy condor]

Regardless of cp cost tho

Snd is actually giga damage

[surreal briar]

gotrhca ty

[fleet anchor]

Can something really classify as simbait when it sims like 8th out of 8 dungeon trinkets? 🤣

[sleek sparrow]

just a worse version of decanter

[opal mural]

how good is PI on Assa Rogue?

[balmy condor]

Pretty good

It’s not unholy with army good

Or mage with combust good

But its good

[opal mural]

so no pi peepoSad

[balmy condor]

No probably not

You can make an argument for PI during execute if you’re running zoldyck

But aside from that, no

[opal mural]

ok thank you 🙂

[fleet anchor]

It's like a Dreadfire Vessel that does 20% less damage for the bonus of doing a pathetically small amount of damage to secondary targets sometimes

👌

[royal lantern]

sounds more like that the other trinkets are simbait

[balmy condor]

So it’s cannonball runner

[fleet anchor]

Cannonball Runner was just drunk

[balmy condor]

Great trinket

[fleet anchor]

If it actually hit things

It would have been fine lol

[balmy condor]

Oh Midas

That was also a trinket

Apparently

[fleet anchor]

Midas was technically a trinket

Was also my first weekly vault reward

[royal lantern]

same

[balmy condor]

Far are we from the days of convergence and draught and arcanocrystal

[hexed mesa]

nighthold woyer

[red flume]

heroic bosses dead in under 4sec from ma/draught

dungeons i mean

[heady rain]

When exactly are you supposed to pool energy?

[balmy condor]

Wait

[frosty cedar]

im

actually malding

the one time i do a +2 plaguefall to help someone out and I get this

at least I can updoot it

[balmy condor]

Shiv/vendetta

[astral leaf]

Time to farm some valor 🙂

[balmy condor]

But also envenom uptime

[final star]

any crimson tempest fans

NS kinda big

[balmy condor]

That looks like my subterfuge breakdown if you removed garrote from my bars

[heady rain]

So when im like sitting for envenom to hit epidemic also?

[balmy condor]

Yeh

It’s not that big

[final star]

This week though

[heady rain]

ty ❤️

[final star]

definitely an outlaw week

rogue in general this week is aids

due to restealths

[balmy condor]

But outside of shiv/vendetta you just wait till the last moment to hit envenom

[fleet anchor]

Every week is an Outlaw week

😄

[final star]

Na it's more that I wanna play assassination

[fleet anchor]

As much as I enjoy Assassination in raids on a lot of fights now, I still can't bring myself to swap off Outlaw for M+

[final star]

but running NS/Subterfuge restealths so important

spiteful counters that

[fleet anchor]

Spiteful sucks yeah

[final star]

whereas outlaw it's way way less impactful

[astral leaf]

If I only have enough ash to make 1 legendary before denathrius prog should I make zold or doomblade for prog?

[final star]

zoldyck

[last cedar]

tbh, I've only been enjoying outlaw with MfD/MA/Killing Spree so outlaw feels just as bad not getting a re

^ yeah wish I saved some ash for zoldyck

[astral leaf]

Bet

[nimble spoke]

I thought DB was still considered the better raid leggo unless you specifically need the execute damage?

[frosty cedar]

outlaw feels so bad tho

i like how ass plays in m+ honestly

[final star]

It's almost like you specifically need the execute damage on denathrius prog

[vestal wren]

i don't like assa in m+

[nimble spoke]

Yea, better raid leggo implies more general use, not for a specific boss

[final star]

Well look what he said

zoldyck also has use in m+

and it is still a decent legendary pick

[nimble spoke]

I didn't ask off of his question. I'm just seeing people start recommending zold so I was asking a general question. Just great timing, I suppose :p

[limber lion]

Assa is fun in semi-high keys 😦

[hollow escarp]

6 pulls on xymox, I get portals mid vendetta on the kill pull

[final star]

assassination plays like shit in aoe to me

whereas outlaw plays like shit in ST

[last cedar]

similar damage in aoe, bonkers ST

what's not to love?

[nimble spoke]

agreed, but my gear isn't great for sin, so maybe it feels better

[final star]

I have decently statted gear for both specs

[nimble spoke]

debating getting the ash for zold next week rather than making a 210 DB and seeing which I prefer in raid

[final star]

so it's okay for me to multispec

[gloomy fern]

i cb fucking a reprogging sludge with 6 trials

[last cedar]

CN is fun

[mental laurel]

Would people suggest Zoldyck or MA for mythic +? Or would it depend on tyrannical vs. fortified?

[ionic kelp]

wtf lol

[last cedar]

this week zoldyck

but MA had me doing nutty overall last week

like 6.5-7k

[nimble spoke]

guess I'm doomed to keep doing Torghast XD. I only have DB 190, have Celerity 210 and Finality 210. Don't have Zold or MA

I hope Blizz ups how much ash we get per week, because the current amount makes it feel like a drag and requirement for anyone who cares about more than 1 type of content that isn't a NF balance druid

[fierce tulip]

big dif for boots or legs for zolydcks?

[stoic needle]

imo zoldyck is better for both. execute for the adds on fortified, execute for bosses on tyrannical

[mental laurel]

Good to know. MA feels awkward on assassination anyway

[iron orchid]

imo both are good, MA offers more of a short burst profile, which can be very valuable

where zoldyck gives you a better overall

[mental laurel]

With MA, do you just fan twice into CT for opener?

[honest lake]

Guys ,
u think that grievous is hard for rogue?

I feel that i am always dying in grievous week

[astral leaf]

That sounds like a healer problem or you’re taking extra damage

[iron orchid]

if you play subterfuge, you still put your three garrotes

in an aoe situation

[halcyon zealot]

grievous+ spiteful is a very easy combo to take much more unnecessary damage than ur accustomed to imo

[mental laurel]

Yeah but why would you play subterfuge if you were running MA? Seems to defeat the purpose

[iron orchid]

It's actually very valuable

[nocturne ridge]

does doomblade mutilate damage combine into a pool that refreshes with each mutilate, or is it overwritten with each mutilate

[iron orchid]

you could setup first, then vanish in the pack and hit that fok ct fok you talk about

[iron orchid]

combine

[nocturne ridge]

and by pool i just mean kind of how like fire mage ignite works

so there is no point in tab targetting mutilates

[celest marlin]

Crimson temp[est above how many targeets on m+ tis week ?

[limber lion]

1

You never spam it, but you want to use it even in single target.

[onyx wind]

if you dont use it on ST you arent gonna die

[limber lion]

And keep the bleed up.

[onyx wind]

but yes its good

[brittle pawn]

CT is fun in torg with 400% finisher after sstep

packs go poof

[limber lion]

I haven't seen that power in ages

[brittle pawn]

it was my opening power both runs today

[limber lion]

The only epics I get are the Flag epic one, the Adrush/Vend/SB one and the one which deals damage to blinded/sapped targets

meh

All I want is red ink + 3x chains + 400% shadowstep damage

[brittle pawn]

is the vanish exsangs power just useless solo?

[nimble spoke]

is the play to now just go Zold for M+/aoe and raid?

my guild just started mythic

I only have a 190 DB, so it's not much of a loss if it is

[stoic needle]

If your dots are enough damage to kill them it instantly kills them

[stoic needle]

210 DB sims higher than my 235 zold on single target

[brittle pawn]

otherwise they reset? XD

[stoic needle]

If you hit them quick enough they don't reset

[astral pasture]

when do you guys use your prepot?

[stoic needle]

It's kinda finicky though

[nimble spoke]

so I'd be fine getting a 210 DB and keeping my 210 Celerity for Outlaw M+? I find Outlaw to be a bit hectic at times, but in a good way

[stoic needle]

Sure

[halcyon falcon]

hey, for Doomblade....hands or shoulders?

[stoic needle]

hands

[halcyon falcon]

is there science behind that answer

[halcyon zealot]

SLG shoulders exist

[nimble spoke]

yea, it's in the pins

[halcyon falcon]

k lemme check, thanks....even if I don't raid?

[sleek sparrow]

then it literally makes no difference

same amount of stats

[halcyon zealot]

yeah and it’s really only if you have access to mythic slg since they are 233, don’t think 233 hands exist for leather if i’m not mistaken

[sleek sparrow]

yeah no gloves are avail at 233

[dry tulip]

Does shiv improves Envenom Damage?

[plain thistle]

yes sir

[dry tulip]

why is not working in duel

😦

[plain thistle]

it should, do you have logs or anything that shows it isnt buffing envenom?

[dry tulip]

1 sec

Envenom from Stealth with MA and Nighstalker

[nimble spoke]

I'm paralyzed with options, haha. I find assassination fun to play, but don't know if I should go all in with assassination for mythic+. Then again, I probably won't do much higher than 15 to 20s at any point, so maybe it doesn't really matter if I do assassination instead of outlaw in 15s

[dry tulip]

Envenom After Shiv + Vanish

[tropic ocean]

w/o nightstalker

?

[raw wren]

Do you still have to have two daggers to play sin?

[dry tulip]

with night stalker

same setup

[nimble spoke]

yes, Dill

[raw wren]

Thanks mate

[limber lion]

Interesting, it works just fine on dummies.

Blizzard's 🍝 coming through again

[wind nacelle]

Lol

[steel geyser]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[dry tulip]

also this is my friend shiv debuff tooltip

doesnt feel right

[rose jewel]

doomblade on shoulders or hands?

[wind nacelle]

Hands going by pins

[rose jewel]

k ty!

[astral pasture]

whats the best opening rotation with ma? seen a few diff variants

[nimble spoke]

mythic+ or raid?

[rose jewel]

also, what missives for doomblade?

[gusty mirage]

crit haste or haste vers, use top gear to sim which is more dps for you

[rose jewel]

okay, thanks!

[gusty mirage]

np ❤️

[knotty sparrow]

Hastey boys

[lofty yarrow]

Can bleeds crit ? 😮

[knotty sparrow]

You bet your sweet ass they can

[latent escarp]

Anyone noticed SBS bonus ticks from conduit can crit? Or is my details acting up 🤔

Sudden fractures

[celest marlin]

This with any lege? MA or Doomblade?

[weary patrol]

slice and dice with six points right

[gusty mirage]

?

you can snd with any amount of points now that envenom adds duration to it

[halcyon zealot]

mut > snd > forget about it

[weary patrol]

i have a small brain so

[halcyon zealot]

is my strat

[knotty sparrow]

I just mut snd opening doesn’t matter if it’s 2 points or 4

Envenom will keep it alive

[halcyon zealot]

i lowkey get mad when my first mut crits

[iron orchid]

it can, and was corrected in sims a few days ago, making the conduit a bit more valuable than it was before

[halcyon zealot]

feels like a waste, even tho it’s not

[knotty sparrow]

Juicy mut crits with doomblade feels nice

Like ur carving up a turkey for thanksgiving

[ornate dawn]

This looking right for a MA Doomblade opener

Mutilate, Slice and Dice, Mutilate, Garrote, Flagellation, Rupture, Vendetta, Mutilate, Mutilate, Shiv, Vanish, Envenom, Mutilate, Mutilate, Envenom ?

[latent escarp]

Thanks a lot

[halcyon zealot]

close to mine i move vendetta to after the 2x mut, vendetta early might be the play though

[knotty sparrow]

I would go garrote rupture shiv before flag rupture

Shiv during flag is a waste

[iron orchid]

note however that the damage instance generated by the conduit is not considered as a bleed tick and will not be affected by sin's mastery, thus normal hits won't average as high as SBS bleed ticks

[knotty sparrow]

Actually don’t rupture before flag

Rupture should be your first flag cp dump I think

My bad

[plain thistle]

or mut > snd > mut > gar > flag > rupt > shiv > vanish > mut > envenom > mut

[languid grail]

and ambush?

[limber lion]

Yes, always when talented to CT. You want to have it up on your main target outside of Shiv windows.

So if you have Shiv on your target, you blast Envenom's only.

Outside of that you reapply ruptures/CT

[knotty sparrow]

Ambush is poopoo

[plain thistle]

and vendetta anywhere in there, its off gcd

[knotty sparrow]

Unless blindside

Only ambush off blindside procs never to open

[languid grail]

but if im on stealth

[sleek sparrow]

You don't press ambush

[knotty sparrow]

Stealth to mut is better than stealth to ambush

To apply poisons and get 4 CP

[glass root]

Guys For Mythic+ Zoldyck+ MA talent or Master assassin Lego + Subterfuge/ nightstalker ?

[limber lion]

I'm going to bed now, but if you need any help with anything further, feel free to throw me a DM.

[stoic needle]

Zoldyck+subterfuge

[knotty sparrow]

Gar gar gar boys

[languid grail]

allright i will go mut

[glass root]

how sthe opener btw Marked for death into Crimson tempest?

[languid grail]

and wich is better for m+. Zoldyck or doomblade lego>?

[stoic needle]

Zoldyck

[knotty sparrow]

I’ve only ever MFD CT open if I’m playing MA leggo

Don’t think it’s wise otherwise

[languid grail]

i saw a lot of guys running doomblade

[stoic needle]

Triple garotte, fok , ct. Mfd rupture

[limber lion]

I think it's the other way around, gar gar gar gar rup mfd ct

[glass root]

i mean cleave opener 😄 btw whats FOK

[knotty sparrow]

4 gars???

[limber lion]

Probably doesn't make much of a difference honestly

[stoic needle]

You can't really do 4 gars with MfD

You end up energy starved

Big sadge

[limber lion]

Oh yeh true

But just do a 3cp rup then

Small ruptures are pog

[stoic needle]

Doomblade is ok in certain dungeons like sd, top and pf with small pull sizes. Generally not recommended for pugging

[knotty sparrow]

FoK rupture tab FoK rupture tab FoK rupture tab etc

Gar when it’s off CD

[stoic needle]

Yeah I guess you could do 3cp rupture mfd CT

[languid grail]

cuz i have 5k essence, and i want to swap to assa for the memes

[limber lion]

I would recommend putting up 4-5 bleeds, be it 2-3 cp ruptures even

[knotty sparrow]

I’d kill for 5k essence right now

[limber lion]

But if you're applying ruptures after that, you should do 4-5 cp ones

[stoic needle]

Depends tbh

[knotty sparrow]

4-5 cp rupture is excessive on trash I think

[stoic needle]

It's rare that they live that long

[knotty sparrow]

Too long not worth it, trash dies pretty quick

[limber lion]

Not sure what keys you're doing

But definitely doesn't in my keys

Especially on Fort

[stoic needle]

Well yeah fort is a bit different

But I'm doing 15s and 16s

[knotty sparrow]

5 cp rupture is how long again? Like 30 seconds?

[ornate dawn]

24

[languid grail]

my problem with zoldyck its it seems like you only do dps when adds reach 30% hp

[knotty sparrow]

That’s pretty long especially if you have a mage combusting

[limber lion]

because if you do 1cp ruptures, you can have a max of 3 of those up

Which is bad

Instead of doing longer ruptures and having more of them up

[brisk drum]

just switched to sin for sludgefist prog, anyone mind reviewing my log? we didnt get a kill but on our closest pull im miles off high parses so i figure im doing something wrong

[limber lion]

Of course if they die and you lose out on 20s it's not worth

But more ruptures = better

[brisk drum]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qbr8RwQx2YDKPnFy#fight=18

[stoic needle]

That's not a problem. Execute on everything without extra effort is very powerful

[languid grail]

oh

and last question

what its the adds opener

is*

[stoic needle]

Triple garotte rupture mfd ct

Or triple garotte fok CT fok into ruptures

Without mfd

[icy crater]

do you guys multi dot on council mythic for funnel?

and low cp rup attend or just rip evenoms?

[stoic needle]

Just 1 garotte on the nearest

[subtle gyro]

Well placed Steel over Lashing? Am i reading that right?

[zinc frost]

First necro raid last night since swapping, felt great no regrets from leaving the dirty vamps.

[icy crater]

is it sick on cleave or what

[stoic needle]

No you aren't

Lashing > wps

[subtle gyro]

was my understanding.. 🙂

[zinc frost]

Yeah felt good competing with some of the big dogs of cleave.. all I heard was “wtf rogue is good?”

[stoic needle]

Your betrayal will be remembered

Ngl I love that we have 3 whole viable covenants now

[noble ridge]

Hmm so Necro or Venth for PvP?

[stoic needle]

Probably venthyr

[gleaming stratus]

Anyone else had an issue on council where [Dauntless Duelist] just doesn't apply to next target at all

[rapid stratus]

Anyone have any luck playing sin on M Council?

[gloomy fern]

its good, should top boss dmg

[gleaming stratus]

yeah i usually top on boss damage unless mechanics hinder you a lot

which shouldn't really if you play it correctly

[glass root]

i just tried posion bomb vigor elaborate alacrity in a mist 13 did 4.5k overall with 210 gear

gonna try something difrent now in halls will let you know the dps xd

[glass root]

Zoldyck btw

[rapid stratus]

Aight imma try it out tonight progging, we seem to be struggling a bit getting those last few %.

[gloomy fern]

its pretty bad vs attendants though so hope u got range guildies who actually swap and kill it before it reaches boss like they should

(mine dont)

[rapid stratus]

yea thats what im worried about

OL kinda pumps attendants

[subtle tundra]

just playing CT will give you a lot more dps 🙂

[strange python]

Do you guys use envenom on 4 cp? Or you always go to 5-6? (With ds talented)

[keen tree]

What’s the minimum number of mobs at which you start to use FoK instead of Mut? 2?

[strange python]

Or is it worth to use one more mutilate to do it with 6?

Talking about a raid boss, 5-7 minutes fight

[zinc frost]

Both very viable, been playing necro in 2s and feels veryyyy good. SBS gives us a nice ranged dot and can crit for something sweet. Reworked Fleshcraft also gives us a decent defensive and IMO much better than door of shadows. But I played both since 9.0.5 and both are strong.

[strange python]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[strange python]

4+ cp, does this mean 4 or + or + than 4?

Isn’t a 4cp envenom weak?

[brittle pawn]

i think i just had a stroke reading that

[strange python]

Bro I’m just asking for learn ^^

[brittle pawn]

then ask something that makes sense

[strange python]

Envenom, use at 4 cp or not?

[keen tree]

4 or more.

[brittle pawn]

if you have vigor or mfd

[carmine fulcrum]

!bis

[strange python]

No, with ds

[brittle pawn]

you dont mutilate 1 under cap

[stoic needle]

CT

[strange python]

I was meaning with ds, is it worth to cast 1 more mutilate or not?

[stoic needle]

With DS 5+

The rule is always max or max-1

[strange python]

Okay

Thank you so much

Ty for answer I guess, that guy mad at me for no reason 🤣

[void pecan]

Oshi. Tell me

[pliant roost]

where can i find the ambush/mut macro?

[void pecan]

Do I switch covenant

[brittle pawn]

you came in speaking fucking klingon

[pliant apex]

Do I put cleave dots on the sword during beginning p2 heroic denathrius?

[wind totem]

Does envenom get damage increase from flagelation?

[pliant apex]

Do I put cleave dots on adds as well on p2?

[wind totem]

You do it all the time. It's free energy on a target that pretty much never dies.

[strange python]

are you using ambush?

[pliant apex]

Yea it takes practice , I miss the sword sometimes since it moves so much

[frail fossil]

yes she'll come and go

so just put it back when u see her

[pliant apex]

Do I put a dot or two on adds as well?

[wind totem]

depends how long they live.

[deft quiver]

Should you try to space out envenoms as much as possible without capping on energy? Or just spam them and overlap the dot?

[wind totem]

Personally I dont bother since they get blown up too quickly

[frail fossil]

you can put low cp rupture

[pliant apex]

I see thanks friend

I got low green log on den sadly

Last week

[stoic needle]

Better to space them out if you can, the buff pandemics

[wind totem]

fucking finally lmao

[stoic needle]

Right? Lmao

[pliant apex]

I will benefit by using zoldyck over doom on den right?

Only boss I use zoldyck on

[candid jasper]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[frail fossil]

i would doubt that

[deft quiver]

Thanks!

[candid jasper]

Are those stat weights up to date? haste/vers for sin?

[pliant apex]

Doubt using zol?

[wind totem]

Honestly the only reason to use zoldyck at this point is if p3 dps is too low

[candid jasper]

(as far as legendary goes)

[wind totem]

otherwise doomblade is overall better

[frail fossil]

yes

[candid jasper]

i.e. if I put haste vers on my legendary, is that unwise?

[frail fossil]

only hc fights where zoldyck should be better is like council where u got 3 execute and like huntsman since u got adds

[wind totem]

And even then I'm not sure how much better it is.

[pliant apex]

Yea since my log was shit with Zol I say fuck it I’ll use doom

[frail fossil]

but nothing in sire lives long enough for zol to be meaningful

so doom should be more damage

[pliant apex]

Very helpful guys thanks much

I’ll just use doom all bosses

[wind totem]

Quick question. As a NF rogue is it worth using ambush with the sepsis proc when I dont have Blindside?

[subtle tundra]

no

[frail fossil]

i would recommend zold on huntsman/council at least

i mean idk

both are fine

tbf

u can just doomblade everything

[pliant apex]

But I don’t ever switch to shades on huntsman, should I?

[subtle tundra]

quick rupture for energy

[frail fossil]

the dogs

[pliant apex]

I hardly cleave them

[stoic needle]

Yeah you should

[frail fossil]

i mean u put dots on them right

u need to keep ur dots on the dogs

[wind totem]

I personally don't bother since they literally disappear in 3 seconds when they get gripped.

[pliant apex]

Onlyon opener , then they scramble

[wind totem]

lol no

[frail fossil]

that's not good

[wind totem]

you run to them and refresh dots

[pliant apex]

Ohh

[wind totem]

😄

[frail fossil]

u need to have ur dots always on the adds

[pliant apex]

Ohh icic

So chase them, put dots then get back to huntsman

[deft quiver]

One more question on this actually. Is it a huge dps loss if you don’t space them out and just spam envenom when able to instead? I guess it’s a question of what’s more important, the cast or the dot?

[pliant apex]

Is there an add on I can use to set focus on adds? For checking dots?

[frail fossil]

i mean they should be close to the boss

at least 2 of them are tanked with the boss

so u dont have to run to them

[wind totem]

As sin you rarerly have issues with energy capping so I don't see why you shouldn't space them out as much as you can personally.

[pliant apex]

Oh , also on council zoldyck is better ?

[wind totem]

Debatable. Top loggers still massively favour doomblade.

[stoic needle]

No it's not a huge dps loss to spam them. Ideally you want to wait for yourself to be around 70% energy before you envenom(unless you have shiv up, in which case spam away) but it's only like a 30 dps loss or something to not space it out

[candid jasper]

Necrolord with doom sounds pretty nice

[deft quiver]

Thanks again guys, appreciate it.

[frail fossil]

top logs are not always right, on mythic if i played sin i would 300% play zold

on council

[pliant roost]

anyone have the mutliate/ambush macro?

[wind totem]

On mythic council yeah but that's because you really need to burn the last guy

mythic council is a very specific case imo.

[pliant apex]

It would really help if some can tell opening rotation for huntsman, I often put dots after blowing vendetta/vanish/sepsis and using envenoms

[stoic needle]

as far as chasing the dogs, only chase them if you have a movement ability up like shadowstep, sprint or soulshape. it's ok to run across on foot one way, but you want to avoid running back and forth twice if you can help it

[drowsy parcel]

there is no macro

[pliant apex]

Ty much

[frail fossil]

adding another keybind

[pliant roost]

addon maybe? thought I saw it here

[dawn ivy]

!bs

[prisma monolith]

Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message

[frail fossil]

please just

add another keybind

[pliant roost]

thanks

no

[dawn ivy]

its better to let people learn why it feels bad to use

imo

[frail fossil]

i just fail to understand how u missing binds as assa, and why would you go thru a convoluted way instead of just binding it properly

[pliant apex]

How do I open on huntsman, do I not blow cds till dots up on huntsman and dog?

Um hello?

[zinc frost]

Hello!

[pliant apex]

Hey!

[frail fossil]

afaik put dot on both target and then vendetta on one

[pliant apex]

Ah ok

Can rogues immune sin seeker p2 and 3 on huntsman mythic?

[frail fossil]

they can immune the dot

not the initial hit

[hollow escarp]

so you can ask for a bop

or just have 4 mages and 3 hunters in main roster

[heady bluff]

where do i find sin openers/rotations?

[pliant apex]

Since I don’t want to cast vanish less than 4 Cp, do I always cast a mut before vendetta on opener, since sepsis and shiv will give only 2 dots total?

[dawn belfry]

is there a sim script for more people using memory of the past sins?

[pliant apex]

Or can opener vanish be less than 4cp?

[formal cliff]

Playing sin with low haste feels baaaad

[peak sun]

!stst

!stats

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[formal cliff]

My vault always gives me mastery gear

Rng game

[teal pulsar]

delicious mastery

[stoic needle]

be thankful for your blessings

[frosty cedar]

hello frens are daggers from m+ unique equipped or can I rock two of the same

[stoic needle]

you can have 2

[formal cliff]

30% mastery isn'ta blessing from my point of view lmao

[stoic needle]

those envenoms tho

[silent tinsel]

Does feint not do anything when he hits a pillar?

[shy dust]

@balmy condor double potency for slg or dauntless?

[balmy condor]

Add damage or no add damage

Dauntless is booty

Cause it doesn’t reset

[shy dust]

So 2 potency?

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[shy dust]

Lethal?

Or wps

[balmy condor]

Uh, probably lethal imo

[shy dust]

Aight

[balmy condor]

But wps is a little more burst

[shy dust]

Nadja too im guessing

[balmy condor]

So probably also fine

Yeh

Let me know if the cc reduction works on the add slashy slashy

Probably doesn’t

But would be sick

Yes, constantly

Whenever you’re out of shiv, you pool on envenom

[dawn bronze]

Hm? So how does dauntless work exactly?

[fallen current]

Exactly as it says

[dawn bronze]

Does vanish reset it on a raid boss fight? What if you vanish and open on an add, is he your duelist now even after death because he was your first opponen?

[balmy condor]

Shiv on cooldown

When shiv is up, you slam shiv

[balmy condor]

Nothing resets it during a raid boss

The first thing you hit is your adversary

And that’s until you die, or it dies

[dawn bronze]

So hit Altimor etc.

[jovial inlet]

Hello. I am new to Rogue. I prefer to play Assassination. How close is Assassination to Outlaw in M+? I'm assuming if I played Assassination in M+, I would just be hurting myself?

I know people will say, "Play whatever you want" - but I don't want to be gimping myself hard just because I prefer Assassination. Just trying to figure out if they are close, or if Outlaw just blows Assassination out of the water in M+. Thank you!

[balmy condor]

It’s not awful

[drifting ingot]

outlaw is really fun in m+ and does pump

[balmy condor]

Just like I’ve said, when shiv is on cooldown

No

Okay let’s do an example maybe

Shiv has 10 seconds left until it comes up

You mutilate twice, now you’re at 5/6 cp

And 20 energy

You will sit there, and wait

And when you get close to full energy, you envenom

Now same situation, but shiv comes up in like 3 seconds

You’re not going to cap on energy before shiv comes up

Shiv comes up, you slam the shiv, and then pound envenoms

Same situation, but shiv is already up

You’re at 20 energy, you slam the shiv anyway

[stoic needle]

it's roughly 10% behind but i'm not sure if its different now with the new necrolord stuff. but it's lacking in CC which is a bit of a big deal at higher keys

[balmy condor]

Because shiv on cooldown

So the rule is that you wait to cast envenom, whenever you cannot cast shiv

You don’t want to overcap anything, but you don’t want to just spam it

Because pooling before an envenom solves all your pooling problems forever

[queen galleon]

Another unsuccessful night in sludge

[balmy condor]

If you only pool before shiv, you don’t pool for vendetta, or flag

[cerulean kernel]

Better to hold Ven until Shiv is off cd than vice versa? assuming no dmg amp windows etc?

[balmy condor]

If you’re in lust, and you don’t pool on envenom, get a lucky crit, now you clip the envenom buff

So you avoid all the situations

By pooling on envenom

Well there is pandemic

But you can still clip it

But it’s just a very simple rule

To pool on envenom

Rather than “pool 5 seconds before shiv and 3 seconds before vend and 4 seconds before flag and make sure to have 4 cp at least and” etc

Max - 25

Yup

Cause it’s giga min-max

And not useful to know as a general player

Well that’s an opinion

And that’s why you’re here :P

But the overwhelming portion of the community isn’t like that

It’s between 0.5-1%

[proud ledge]

is assa still a wheelchair, or is it viable in m+

i dont wanna play combat

its so fuckin boring

[stoic needle]

its been viable for a while now

[blazing arrow]

@balmy condor tbh I learned something from this. I wasn't worried about clipping envenom

[balmy condor]

You honestly shouldn’t be worried about it

Ever since they fixed the pandemic thing

It’s been a non-issue most of the time

The time where it matters is during high-energy moments when you’re forced to cast envenoms anyway because you’re overcapping

But those are also the moments where you shouldn’t be pooling to begin with

So it’s whatever

[blazing arrow]

Ye

[dark basalt]

good point

[blazing arrow]

Do you pool for rupture

[proud ledge]

so zoldyck for m+ or should i just do doomblade

[blazing arrow]

Like if garrote coming on pandemic in a few seconds. Poom for garrote > rupture

[balmy condor]

No, just envenom/mut

[balmy condor]

You can if you’d like

[agile geode]

should i synch vendetta with flag?

[balmy condor]

But that actually doesn’t make a difference if you think about it

Cause you’re refreshing in pandemic both times

The only time that would make a difference to pool is waiting to refresh before a sludge pillar or something

[blazing arrow]

I find it easier to manage shiv windows and not cutting garrote/rupture close.

[balmy condor]

Yeah for sure

It’s completely neutral

Is the point

[rapid stratus]

is it worth dotting other council members on M council?

[tawdry oriole]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[blazing arrow]

@rapid stratus no

[rapid stratus]

ty

[blazing arrow]

It's not counted in logs I believe

[balmy condor]

Garrote only, not rupture

[rapid stratus]

idc about logs

im talking about max dps on kill member

[brittle pawn]

is there a way to see in logs who gets hit by a blade and cleaves the raid?

slg

[safe barn]

@stoic needle how does it feel playing ass in slg?

[agile geode]

just 1 garrote on the nearest while st damaging

[rapid stratus]

kk ty

[stoic needle]

i don't

that's inting

we dont int

[balmy condor]

Yeah, like xell said, garrote the nearest for the energy

[arctic juniper]

Can't figure out what I'm doing wrong in my rotation.. My DPS is extremely low?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DbK82cpfLdPGjTWJ#fight=4&type=damage-done

Should I be using MA leggo or Doomblade?

[balmy condor]

You also vendetta’d on pull

[stoic needle]

MA is also fine for sludge

[balmy condor]

But that looks like 3 pillars to me

[stoic needle]

if you dont have doom yet

[balmy condor]

Uptimes are a little low as well

[arctic juniper]

Okay so open with mutilate and NOT ambush?

[balmy condor]

So I’m gonna say that you’re not comfortable with the rotation in general, played it like you would hungering, and then the pillar damage wasn’t there

[balmy condor]

Correct

Ambush only from a blindside proc

[void pecan]

ambush for sepsis drop off too no?

not for him, us.. uh other people who haven't switched yet

[balmy condor]

Subterfuge is trash on that fight

[reef axle]

subj no good for st

[cerulean kernel]

this biggest loss is the Van on pull and not pillar slam

[balmy condor]

Yeah

Cooldowns misplaced, slice not cast

And the wrong talent

[arctic juniper]

Okay so mutilate and then SD right after

[balmy condor]

That adds up

[cerulean kernel]

Whispyr caught it off the bat

[hazy ruin]

Does anyone have a macro where mutilate and ambush share the same button but will ambush when in stealth or have proc instead?

[safe barn]

im going with the law then i think

[hazy ruin]

well its similar to the sub one where shadow strike and backstab share same button

i guess i could just copy pasta that and change the names of spells

[balmy condor]

!bs

[prisma monolith]

Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message

[civic trellis]

Uhm is there anything i have to do with poisons besides of applying them?

[hazy ruin]

so fucking lame

[civic trellis]

i mean my dmg is a bit low compared to sims

[hazy ruin]

so i need two seperate keybinds

[civic trellis]

2% like all the time

[arctic juniper]

Thank you

[balmy condor]

Yes

[civic trellis]

Almost every damage source is at the correct % but poisons are 2% off always

[hazy ruin]

thank you for your time friend

[balmy condor]

No

[civic trellis]

2-2.5%

With so many applications it shouldnt be that high

[balmy condor]

Are you pooling properly

[civic trellis]

Yeah, pooling at 2.1

[balmy condor]

That sounds like envenom uptime to me

[hazy ruin]

yea ill just do them where Shift-1 is ambush and 1 is mut

im still setting up everything for assas

[civic trellis]

81.5% uptime

sims show 81.4%

so it fits perfectly

[hazy ruin]

thats just where it was from previous xpack i never really played assas lol

[warm portal]

average dps for 13/15 M+ ? im sitting on 5/5.5k dunno if im messing up something

[balmy condor]

Yeah dunno man

It lines up for me

[civic trellis]

Uhm

How poisons get applied

After a direct hit right?

I mean if i miss my hit, poisont wont be applied

RIght?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[civic trellis]

That's why, solved

Was hitting from infront

I guess the chance to parry is what caused the deviation

[glass fulcrum]

does zandalari trolls bleed get affected by doomblade?

[balmy condor]

no

[livid temple]

On sludgefist when do i wanna be using Cooldown?

(s)

do i wanna hold vendetta for first pillar or will it be up for the second one?

[civic trellis]

1-3 imo

with vanish

but idk

i would build cp and cast shiv just 1 sec before the pilar

[shy dust]

when are you lusting

if youre m and lusting 4th break

then pull/2/4

[livid temple]

ye we are lusting 4th

[prisma crescent]

Yeah pull/2/4 is optimal then

[shy dust]

then pull 2nd and 4th

try to vendetta your like 3-4 global on pull

so that its up for all of the 2nd break

[hazy geyser]

how is assa looking after the buffs?

[swift prairie]

Stronk

[stoic needle]

blasting

[shy dust]

good st spec and cleave spec

[lunar thicket]

should i upgrade my Phial of Putrefaction? seems to be a great trinket

[reef axle]

It's bis at max level

[lunar thicket]

noice, ty

[civic knot]

am i going for 5cp with vigor on?

or can i pop at 4?

[stoic needle]

It's always max cp or max-1

[civic knot]

ok fire

ty

[onyx trail]

Zoldyck or doom blade first? I run some m+ and raid but im trying to justify going away from outlaw.

[balmy condor]

well that depends on how much you want to focus either

zold is worse in raids, better in m+, doom is better in raids, worse in m+

but both are good options either way

[chilly crane]

how do you guys do aoe in m+ as assa? 🙂

[onyx trail]

Ty whispyr

[balmy condor]

dot everything

[wise gull]

progging council as assa feels so bad

the second attendants touch the boss

goodbye energy

[slender urchin]

One day Denathrius will drop his helmet

Helm+phial+better itemized neck is another 2% dps

[wise gull]

y u no farm m+

[green peak]

I tried to ask this over in Outlaw, but they seemed confused. Why isn’t numbing poison viewed like a major raid-wide buff? 15% slower auto attack and casting damage from bosses seems kinda important.

[balmy condor]

cause it's not that important

also warlocks do it better

[green peak]

Do Warlock curses override it?

[balmy condor]

no, it stacks

but it's just not that important at that point

[safe nacelle]

What's the standard AoE rotation? Would you use vanish to extend the Subterfuge damage buff on your bleeds?

[balmy condor]

warlocks don't even both casting it most of the time

[green peak]

Maybe on Sludgefist? His auto attacks hurt bad

[balmy condor]

numbing on a 5 minute sludge negates about 6 auto attacks

in total

[plucky veldt]

soo quick question i know it may sound stupid but its a serious question.. from poisons tht counts as nature damge, which counts as magic damage right? and if so does tht mean with Nightborne racial it would give poisons 1% increased damage?

[green peak]

I’ll take it!

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah

we take it

but it's not anything to write home about

[drifting cloud]

what theres no way that math is right

isnt his base attack like 1.5s

[balmy condor]

yeah

but there's weird swing timer jank where it cancels autos to cast stuff

when you slow it down

numbing and CoW start to make some serious nonsense happen

[drifting cloud]

[balmy condor]

basically that, yeah

[drifting cloud]

oh I guess hes also stunned like 50s of the fight

[balmy condor]

correct, demon hunter debuff also increases the damage

works on envenom as well

[plucky veldt]

interesting....

[feral merlin]

dood i got changling on my lock last week and now i got phial on my rogue just now

what is going on

[safe nacelle]

You're stealing my luck is what's happening. I've eclipsed 40 runs on MIST and still no dagger.

[prisma crescent]

@balmy condor Can you elaborate on the "serious nonsense" that happens when you stack numbing and CoW?

[balmy condor]

when you change swing timings on bosses, they start to cancel auto's for casts

and auto during casts

and that kind of shit

[prisma crescent]

Ah ok, I've been using numbing and our warlock has been using CoW on our sludgefist progression

[balmy condor]

because blizzard spaghetti knows no bounds

[prisma crescent]

Is that not recommended

[balmy condor]

no you definitely should do that

it won't do anything bad or whatever

I doubt your tanks would even notice

it's just the math behind it struggling

also the cast speed part of numbing just doesn't work

because I guess that would break things too much

sun king shields or slg adds

so half of the ability just doesn't work

even though it says it should

but that gets swept under the rug because "normal" players just won't notice I guess

[prisma crescent]

That's pretty interesting information.

[balmy condor]

it's also kinda unknown if the attack speed stuff works on every boss

we know for sure that it works on sludge

and we know that it works on sire

but there's been conflicting information about it working or not working on something like slg

we just kinda assume that it works

because if it works on something, it should work on the similar thing

but I can't actually confirm that it works on all the bosses

also CoW and numbing, which say that they do the same thing, are actually different ID's

which is how they stack in the first place

but that also means that numbing and CoW, while they should be identical, just aren't

and no one really knows how that affects numbing

[prisma crescent]

I feel like that's definitely something Blizzard should look into

I just know thats going to end up breaking an encounter somewhere

[balmy condor]

yeah probably

if they decide to make an energy per auto type thing

then it can get a little whack

[civic trellis]

So rewarding sin

Pulling more dps than my two months hard-worked outlaw with a few hours of experience

😄

[bleak glacier]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[wise gull]

sub and outlaw are just undertuned, that's all

[feral merlin]

yeah my sin is simming almost as high as my main 15 ilvl lower lol in ST at least

[wise gull]

for ST at least

[chilly crane]

MFD of vigor for m+ ?

[balmy condor]

both are fine, mfd can be slightly better if you get resets, or play some jank like NS MA CT

[chilly crane]

thank u

do you reapply crimson tempest before it's in pandemic?

[slow marsh]

only if there's over 8 i believe

[balmy condor]

you recast with 4 remaining in giga aoe

but usually just do it in pandemic

[weak horizon]

Should I just envenom then instead of recasting crimson tempest outside pandemic if all my ruptures are also outside pandemic?

Or wait until something is in pandemic

[balmy condor]

in the rare case that you can't refresh or need to refresh anything, you would envenom, yes

usually that means the end of a pack

because in like a 5 pack, you can't possibly generate enough cp to maintain 5 ruptures, 3 garrotes, and CT at the same time

[weak horizon]

Very true

I've really only managed to do that on 3 packs

[balmy condor]

if it's 4 cp finishers, you would have 15-20 seconds from casting the first rupture, to then cast 4 more, and 2 CT's

and while that's possible, it's pretty unlikely

#Fok2cpbaselinepl0x

[stoic needle]

[weak horizon]

Do I prioritize ruptures or ct?

Like on pull

[balmy condor]

depends on the pull

[livid temple]

so after 3 hours of wiping on sludge prog this is literally the most dumb fight ive ever done as melee

[stoic needle]

[balmy condor]

I'll tell you that the sim priority is

1. garrote setup for exsang
2. rupture setup for exsang
3. subt garrote
4. slice
5. non-subt garote
6. crimson tempest on 2+
7. rupture
8. crimson tempest on 1 while not in shiv
9. envenom

[wary pawn]

sin has any set opener for ST bosses? dont see in guides

[balmy condor]

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-rotation-cooldowns-abilities

scroll down a little

[wary pawn]

ty! will give sin a try, bored of outlaw

[strange python]

yall think IQD is a sim trap? or worth farming if i have a skulkers and phial?

[balmy condor]

he said the thing

[charred mango]

is icyveins up to date/accurate?

[balmy condor]

it should be

[charred mango]

coolio

[strange python]

did i ask something dumb =O?

[balmy condor]

I know @marble hemlock wanted to add a toggle button for covenants on openers

but should be okay aside from that

[balmy condor]

simbait isn't a thing

[stoic needle]

it's not a sim trap, but probably not worth it to farm it if you have skulkers and phial

[balmy condor]

if you're scared that IQD is gonna proc wrong

[stoic needle]

something something thrill seeker

[balmy condor]

then just turn down the proc %

[strange python]

does it have to proc a certain thing for it to be as good as bloodmallet says?

[balmy condor]

stats on the start, and then either stats/damage at the end

[strange python]

ty!

[balmy condor]

I just checked my thrill seeker procs from the full reclear we did yesterday

I had 3 seconds of the buff die into an intermission on slg

and 1/4 of the procs were during a dance phase on council

the rest were all good

[stoic needle]

completely unplayable

trash soulbind

[balmy condor]

yeah

[stoic needle]

etc etc

[balmy condor]

totally

[stoic needle]

i think pugging makes it a lot worse

because fights drag on

[balmy condor]

lost 1.3 casts out of 33

lets call it simbait

[thick lodge]

when you vendetta then vanish how long do u wait in vanish?

[lean coral]

gotta love it

[strange python]

[balmy condor]

You don’t

[kind talon]

Haste is so good though!!

[charred mango]

[loud niche]

@balmy condor hey is this thing worth a shit?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/113kqcqy9ai37c8EBUJK-sWYciqQ9Tb7ctmCy_boDKdg/edit#gid=0

[thorny pond]

Whoever used yellow background and white font....

[spice spire]

My thoughts exactly

[loud niche]

I feel like 1. This thing is junk, and 2. This thing is basically just a perfect world /shrug

[kind talon]

Ur not a priest

Do u want PI or something?

[loud niche]

Yeah, I do, and they're PI'ing a fucking dh

[kind talon]

Lol

Haste in meta tho

Kinda sick

[loud niche]

who is getting the same parse % as me and using it to justify the PI going to him... but he's getting PI to keep up

[kind talon]

Oof

I mean

You should get PI

[shy dust]

No he shouldn’t

[kind talon]

But wow players don’t like giving rogues PI

[shy dust]

The fire mages should

[loud niche]

myself and a feral are out dpsing him, seems like i should get it seeing as the feral said it doesnt help him

[kind talon]

over the dh? He should

[shy dust]

No fire mage over all

[kind talon]

Of course

But his guild is clearly trolling

[loud niche]

there isnt a fire mage doing half of my overall dmg

in this raid

so

[kind talon]

Is this ur guild or a pug

[loud niche]

my guild

FeelsBadMan

[kind talon]

Lolw

What # are u on dps

[loud niche]

1-2

[kind talon]

Lolw

[loud niche]

specifically on atri

arti

[kind talon]

Why aren’t u gettingPI tbh

Arti?

[loud niche]

because the dh been here longer im assuming

[kind talon]

Tbh

It doesn’t actually matter

On arti

[loud niche]

wot

[kind talon]

Artificer dps doesn’t matter

You will always get hard seeds

Twice

[loud niche]

it does when we had 4 wipes below 5%

[kind talon]

Did you have all raid members die below 5%?

[loud niche]

that 5% sure does matter. idk if this would be even close to that, but also 2 wipes we had under 100k left on the boss

[kind talon]

U getting PI isn’t why ur wiping on artificer

It’s people dying to mechanics

[loud niche]

eh? most of the time we had like half the dps up when we had close wipes. i could be more specific but im not gonna dig thru it over the issue

yeah, bunch randoms cuz dying game/bad guild/idfk

[kind talon]

But based on what u said u should probably be getting PI

[balmy condor]

Kinda? It’s not entirely accurate, but you can generally pick out the good and bad

[loud niche]

2 dudes never even seen the fight before tonight

[kind talon]

My guild is the same

We are progging arti rn

And don’t have solid roster

Need to pug 2-3 every weekend

[loud niche]

you have a raid lead?

[kind talon]

Yes

[loud niche]

welp, better off than mine

[kind talon]

WTF

[loud niche]

random comms periodically throughout the fights

[kind talon]

LOL

I hate that shit

Actually triggers me

[loud niche]

17 of us are 6/10m, the others are just getting cycled thru

[kind talon]

Ok so you know the heirmir conduit that makes u live after dying

[loud niche]

yeah

[kind talon]

So I was doing alt night

On h sire

We wipe to march

Conduit procs

Random officer screams at me on comms

“POYBOI JUMP OFF”

[loud niche]

@balmy condor how do i take this and sim me in place of it, and then perhaps i can start doing this for the raid to prove that giving this stupid dh PI is dumb

[balmy condor]

external_buffs.power_infusion="5/125/245”

Would add a pi every 2 min with vendetta

[kind talon]

Could even ask for one PI

Meta is a 4 min

[torn atlas]

Ours doesn't seem to have an off button.

[loud niche]

so i just drop that line in before my simc copypasta?

[balmy condor]

After

[loud niche]

just want someone to comm mechanics reliably lol, and a group of 19 other players who actually care about getting CE

[balmy condor]

Should be fine

[safe barn]

tips on council?

timing and stuff

[loud niche]

what do i add to make simc give optimal raidbuffs and oils and whatnot?

[kind talon]

It should be done already

In sim options

[loud niche]

no, for advanced it says i cant

[kind talon]

After sim type etc

[loud niche]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ryxGUc2nZCMKTgdbBfmRfJ

it shows that the flask and pots and stuff arent being used

[kind talon]

Hold on

If ur using advanced

You need to code in food buffs and flasks and pot timer

[dusty sapphire]

@safe barn 2 vendettas on frieda, 1 on niklaus, 2 on stavros

just ST the shit out of the bosses

[kind talon]

Yo riverfang

[loud niche]

ya>

[kind talon]

That’s the dh right

[loud niche]

ya

[kind talon]

Do

5/245

Leave out 125

Meta is a 4 min

If ur guild is PI without meta on a demon hunter

Just gquit

[loud niche]

do you want the answer to that?

[kind talon]

What’s up?

Oh, if they are using PI without meta?

Yes I’m interested please check the logs for me

[balmy condor]

They’re right there?

[loud niche]

hm

the icon isn't lit up on raidbots so my smooth brain doesn't understand

[loud niche]

yeah, they are.

[kind talon]

WTF

[kind talon]

This isn’t real

[pseudo bane]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/113kqcqy9ai37c8EBUJK-sWYciqQ9Tb7ctmCy_boDKdg/edit#gid=0
Based on this .. can someone explain me why we used PI on assa rogue and not on Markmanship ? : /

[balmy condor]

Advanced

[young idol]

im officially determining sin venthyr OP as hell

[balmy condor]

Idk, theres a bunch of reasons why you would PI a rogue

Maybe the hunter sucks

Maybe the rogue is cracked

[young idol]

it is

[balmy condor]

Maybe the rogue is using zoldyck and we’re in execute phase

[young idol]

mine is 213, we are progressing mythic sludge and I am pulling 6k above most of the dps lol

i would have had the world first 213 sin rogue mythic sludge parse if we killed it tonight lol

its OPPPPPP

[loud niche]

maybe the rogue is doing 125%+ the overall dmg of the MM hunter

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[kind talon]

Lol

[pseudo bane]

ok, 😄

thanks i have my answer 😄

[kind talon]

Riverfang ur guild new for u or what bro

[pseudo bane]

our hunt are good .. but our rogue bait ou officier xD

[loud niche]

yes

[kind talon]

How r ur parses?

[loud niche]

not the best atm since 905, but i'd say mostly respectable

[kind talon]

Imo if ur 6/10 wiping on artificer

And they are PI on 2 min cd for a class with a 4 min dps cd

Maybe go diff guild