cool ya, im gearing back up my assa playstyle for M sire coming up
#assassination
somber hill
prisma crescent
I'm not Whispyr but I'm pretty sure the extra CP from sealed fate is just too energy/global efficient
somber hill
ya no that makes senses
i think at higher levels of haste like later on that significance falls off
somber hill
comparing to bfa
somber hill
idk i remmeber having hard carpal tunnel last tier
shy dust
Which is an outlier
somber hill
ya 8.3
shy dust
Yes
somber hill
im talking
shy dust
That was a very obvious outlier
somber hill
ya ik
shy dust
That’s not how sin was all of bfa
somber hill
i know
i remember pooliing tb windows
dw
prior too
prior to tb windows*
to min amx
in dazar
then u would lust in 8.3 and ur energy bar would not move lol
lime moon
is haste/crit the way to go for doomblade gloves?
balmy condor
yes
somber hill
I assume EP becomes more viable as well with more haste and less reliance on the free CP gen of BS?
magic shale
ambush or mut from stealth?
balmy condor
ambush or mut from stealth?
mut
prisma crescent
And blindside is really good
somber hill
ya i think near end of xpac it might b viable
somber hill
even with the secondary "caps"
safe barn
what the hell i did that was so wrong
shy dust
Parsing not orange or whatever doesn’t always mean you played bad
You have a 5:11 kill
Also you’re relatively undergeared
safe barn
well, i kinda need those things to sell carries, so i guess i should be doing that to be at least good
somber hill
i think u still wanna be Deeper strat even as non-venthyr if u have enough haste, not 100% sure
somber hill
ya good call sim, make sure ur using optimal talents/gems/enchants
or just get 50 pi's lol
prisma crescent
@safe barn ur opener was a little weird and you have a lot of vers/mastery
Also you didnt get PI 
safe barn
yeah, im re-using my law gear 
balmy condor
never do this
also yes
you're playing ma
you should be vanishing for the sepsis pop
should've held that shiv
you garrote and rupture uptime could've been a little better
91% on garrote is a little meh
dark vigil
Cock
dawn haven
Can someone please tell me what I'm doing wrong here. I know there's a problem with my damage but I barely know assass enough to judge -what- I'm doing wrong.
Most of my parses are really bad for assass and idk how to fix them.
tribal marlin
That fight lasted 5:37, you are missing 1 Vessel cast, 1 Skulking cast and 1 Flagellation cast, as well as 1 potion cast
Also your vanishes are kinda meh
shadow helm
denath ring and inerva ring BIS?
iron orchid
after farming to 5k valor because i had been stuck with 213/210 for 8 weeks
strange python
okay, know where i can find a good bis list?
hollow escarp
iron orchid
okay, know where i can find a good bis list?
You sim yourself
strange python
ty
shadow helm
wtf mastery crit helm?
hollow escarp
after farming to 5k valor because i had been stuck with 213/210 for 8 weeks
good stats on dagger but I use 210 belt with socket and 213 gloves in m+ set 
iron orchid
good stats on dagger but I use 210 belt with socket and 213 gloves in m+ set <:P...
i gotta admit gloves and belt look good
hollow escarp
well I have 213 gloves in M+
gonna get the belt
kinda tired of changing so many sockets
every time I swap from m+ to raid gear
gloomy fern
got the 226 wep token instead of 233 
torn atlas
Must be the week for it. Sire weap on HC first clear last Wednesday, 226 Tanglewood Thorn in vault today.
cyan venture
does bone spike add to doomblade?
iron orchid
does bone spike add to doomblade?
yes
opaque sparrow
I ascended guys
shadow helm
strange python
I hope I get dagger or phial out of my loot box today 
sick scarab
dunno what to choose lol
dim temple
fuck this game.. 6 weeks and noting all 226 items are -% in dps in my vault .. i no ide why i keep paying for this.. i raid mythic with my guild and are top 5 dps and i have normal daggers 207 😮
shadow helm
wheres my red ink power
dawn ivy
go do pvp
sick scarab
fuck this game.. 6 weeks and noting all 226 items are -% in dps in my vault .. i...
sad state of modern wow RNG driven
stoic needle
I feel like there's no point in choosing a 220 weapon from the vault anymore
Cuz they are farmable
220 anything tbh
eternal wave
I'm actually deathly afraid to open my vault
Really don't want to see a 226 Phial in there
After the 28 Plaguefalls last week
dim temple
sad state of modern wow RNG driven
I just let me sub runs out and come back when new content is coming not paying for fat bobby
shadow helm
did you just upgrade ASAP
sick scarab
I feel like there's no point in choosing a 220 weapon from the vault anymore
yep
i go chest
eternal wave
My Rogue literally has nothing to upgrade
Outside of Phial, and there is no way Valor won't be reset in 9.1
fossil wasp
what stats are bis for asa? some pages say haste - crit, others says haste - mastery
dawn ivy
well it certinaly isnt haste mastery
dim temple
Check pins
fossil wasp
ty!
shadow helm
agi
stoic needle
Haste mastery is only for true chads who have ascended past mere mortal stat weights
And 'dps increases'
And follow the true path to nirvana
The eternal search for the largest envenom ever
dense axle
If you want big finishers, sub is that'a way ->
dawn ivy
yeah subs legendary 9k eviscerate 🤔
pastel seal
If you want big numbers go to pre-9.0.5. MA leggo with Skulker trinket. 😭
errant delta
ive got phial 226 two weeks in a row now
safe canyon
What slot does MA go on?
stoic needle
ive got phial 226 two weeks in a row now
I hope you step on a lego every day for the rest of your life
pastel seal
What slot does MA go on?
Ring for big stats
dense axle
Ring
stoic needle
What slot does MA go on?
Ring
safe canyon
Ty
dawn ivy
maybe we'll get a tier set with shroud suffocation 2p and the 4 piece will make us go exsanguinate
let a young boy dream
shadow helm
rather have a new set bonus tho
dawn ivy
TRUE. id be happy with that, but i also would like to see new tier set bonuses with them coming back
rich yew
Single target FoK set bonus
errant delta
whats the bet tier sets work with cov abilitys
alpine garden
"When fan of knives crits, a poison bomb goes off on that enemy"
dawn ivy
im so scared thats exactly what the set bonuses will be. there will be 4 tier sets and theyre all just going to be generic covenant sets
errant delta
omg would be so easy for the dev team though
rich yew
Envenom aoe is like malefic rapture
torn atlas
Can someone make sense of how this is the best set up? Is it purely Sinful Revelation thats pushing the 207 weapon over the 220?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/f5jyzGaKYBML8kVA1uR8so
torn atlas
Yeah, I put Celestial on the new weapon as soon as I got it, because I mixed up in my head which weap had the enchant
shadow helm
hope they make another mage tower v2
stoic needle
hope they make another mage tower v2
It's called twisting corridors
shadow helm
finished that first week
torn atlas
Simple as, I'll change the enchant and see the results
wise fiber
Dummie question.. what happens when you use IQD execute on a boss? fizzles?
shy dust
it does damage
upper summit
how do i learn assa rogue pvp
upper summit
yeah i tried that
im looking for resources for how to do openers and burst combos with the venthyr ability
wowhead and icyveins didnt have much about it
shadow helm
glad you can get so much augment runes from just 1 toon
alpine garden
I really wish you didn't have to re-get loot to upgrade it. Sitting here with a 197 phial feeling sad
strange python
another shit week
wise gull
I really wish you didn't have to re-get loot to upgrade it. Sitting here with a ...
quit wasting time and get GRINDIN
fallow otter
Stygia is where it's at
pastel seal
I'll stick with my chain breaking suicide machine aka skulkers
Not using skulker on pull/pillars?
grizzled owl
Yo, I'm a bit curious to have your thought on my sims : https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/99tR45g8s9raYV7D6B6V3Y
Raidbot do not tell me to go for around 20% haste which is ... surprising ?
It tells me to go for around 15% haste
but I could reach 19%+ with other items
fallow otter
Meteos going to arena jungle instead?
grizzled owl
honestly assa feels so much better to play with more haste :/
pastel seal
honestly assa feels so much better to play with more haste :/
What makes you think raidbots is "telling you" to go 15% haste?
shy dust
Cut to the chase was a nice addition
deft vault
Nah it feels really smooth atm
grizzled owl
What makes you think raidbots is "telling you" to go 15% haste?
I gave raidbot the choice between a set with 15% haste, a set with 19% haste, it tells me to go for 15%. I have more vers with the 15% haste
I mean it feels ok with good level of haste
that's why this sim feels akward
pastel seal
I gave raidbot the choice between a set with 15% haste, a set with 19% haste, it...
That's not Raidbots telling you to go 15% haste. It's raidbot telling you that the 4% haste at the cost of Crit, Agi, etc isn't worht it
flat crater
https://gyazo.com/82e9bba0ea3a313c887984bd984c295b wich ring do i choose fk
shy dust
Sim it
grizzled owl
not agi, just a bit of crit and lots of vers
shy dust
You can sim great vault items
flat crater
how do i sim
gentle gyro
alright, time to pray to the gods
flat crater
vault
shy dust
Open vault
gloomy fern
u go /simc with vault open and pic ktehm in top gear
shy dust
Then have simulation craft installed
pastel seal
not agi, just a bit of crit and lots of vers
Well then... Raidbots isn't telling you to go 15% haste. It's telling you the amount of Crit and Vers you're losing isn't worth it.
Generally Haste will be your bis stat, closely followed by Crit. However this will be different for everyone.
shy dust
And type /simc
grizzled owl
yep
I understood that
I think I'm just desperate that it tells me that exactly lol
I wan't shit tons of haste
xD
flat crater
not working :/
wise gull
i'd pick the bracers tbh
flat crater
now it did
wise gull
im posting this again so you can all see my suffering
entire p1 of shriekwing mythic
my crit is 26%
how is this even possible
i hate this game
grizzled owl
xD
shadow helm
sad
shy dust
I mean
shy dust
Why is 26% bad
wise gull
look at my envenom crits
shy dust
You get 2 MA boosted throughout the fight
Unless you have some external crit buff trinkets
wise gull
nono im not saying my crit is bad
shy dust
That’s about in line with current crit ratings
wise gull
lmao
shadow helm
should have wiped the raid
flat crater
whats bis trinkets for raiding as assa?
https://gyazo.com/a7f5160af354803155b890bf2301031c have this atm
shy dust
Probably phial and dreadfire
deft vault
memory is hella good
strange python
phial, iqd, dreadfire & hateful chain
deft vault
even better when other people have it
strange python
are used by the top logs
shy dust
You can just use herodamage for this btw
shadow helm
2 chains
flat crater
so i just farm 10 m+ and hope for phial in vault?
wise gull
yup
shy dust
Herodamage assassination trinkets
strange python
or you try to get one from the m+ that you're running for the vault
shy dust
98 is good
wise gull
but its not pink
shy dust
P2 lust sounds interesting
wise gull
we just tanked sire in the middle, lust + burned
then at the first hand you run to the adds and kill them
then push
flat crater
aa you can only upgrade the trinket to 220 doe? if u have ksm right?
wise gull
yup
shy dust
Yes
worldly bridge
then at the first hand you run to the adds and kill them
What raid dps is needed for this ? Sounds interesting
eternal salmon
in general use - it shouldn't be that bad, when i made legendaries (doomblade and zoldyck) with vers+haste instead of haste+crit, right? didnt simm that prior
arctic walrus
Is it worse? yes. Will you really notice it? Probably not
clear sorrel
i got the inescrutable quantum device 226 , is it better than dreadfire vessel 220?
stiff vine
i changed to venthyr and dropped my lashing scars conduit and cant restore for another week, is there any other drop location other than world boss?
real kettle
whats the bis lego for raid
gentle gyro
D O O M B L A D E
digital zodiac
what is a good % haste to aim for guys?
gentle gyro
aim for the 
civic trellis
Should I craft doomblade on hands or shoulders? Got a 223 versa/crit shoulders and 226 versa/haste gloves
And i am in progress at mythic SLG
Would be 235 one
sleek sparrow
Gloves are preferred if you think you'll ever get those shoulders
verbal mantle
go gloves mate, esp if you're progging SLG
grim hawk
got socketed stitchflesh ring from vault, should i grab the bad boy
i know i should sim but its stats are bis right?
limber lion
Probably a safe bet if you have a worse ring on currently
civic trellis
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery
civic trellis
So haste/versa lego i guess
sweet trellis
haste crit is better
gentle gyro
crit makes mut go brrrr
reef axle
7K on huntsman, love the viability of the spec now lol
pliant apex
why my logs suddenly blue since 9.0.5 and with doomblade wtf
im at 60 from 80 overall
rustic thunder
More loggers
pliant apex
so am i not playing well enough ?
i mean what do i do now
coz my RL is going to judge my trial by logs, end of story
he dont care how many loggers
man things were so good when no one played, i looked good 😦
gloomy fern
i mean its easier to get a good parse the more players % wise
pliant apex
so im just playing badly?
final star
Well better players are probably on assassination now
pliant apex
or was always playing badly?
final star
Which likely pushes you down
pliant apex
oh
final star
If you're not as good
strange python
check your log in comparison to better ones
final star
Check how many casts of things they do compared to you
strange python
just link your log and i can send you a direct comparision to another one
final star
That way can see if you're casting too much rupture for example
pliant apex
just link your log and i can send you a direct comparision to another one
ty appreciate it greatly here you go https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/frostmourne/watermill#difficulty=4&partition=2
gloomy fern
i mean rank 50 on council for example is 74% parse cus low amount of logs while it would be 99% if ppl played the spec
strange python
any specific fight you wanna me to look into?
gloomy fern
is that with teh guild ur trialing for or just pug
gloomy fern
i mean ur topping meters while 215 ilvl so who cares about parse % if u smoke them all
pliant apex
its their alt run
final star
Oh
pliant apex
ya 😦
final star
Parses don't matter in alt runs dude
pliant apex
why be rude? that comment dont help
limber lion
Kinda hard to get good parses when other people in your team are parsing grey/greeb
gloomy fern
yeah kill timers are important
limber lion
It's not a fair comparison.
lament mica
sometimes slower kill time can help get another usage of cds
strange python
limber lion
My best HC HD run is 2 minutes 10 seconds
strange python
you are 10th if we sort out based on fight length, raid size etc - you are doing great
final star
exactly
mine was 4:12 in that run
the closer you are to lust ending
the more dps you do
strange python
yeah you simply have too many people having that stuff on farm, so they kill fast, at that point it comes down to how the overall kill time lines up with your personal cds and lust
final star
in a main raid on hc for example
sludgefist dies on 3rd pillar
which changes your cd usage to 1st/3rd pillars
limber lion
sludgefist dies on 3rd pillar
2nd
final star
gloomy fern
puggs kill before third
gloomy fern
which is bad for logs 😢
strange python
just pick a given log, select, compare on the top right hand corner, select yourself in the "select player" drop down and you get a list of comparable logs in terms of raid size, kill time etc, then you sort by match % to get a comparable one with most similar parameters
final star
since just after mythic started
pliant apex
wow guys, just read through it all, very helpful. thanks so much
surely helps put things in perspective
verbal sparrow
is it worth having crimson tempest even on st because of doomblade ?
limber lion
is it worth having crimson tempest even on st because of doomblade ?
You don't talent into it for ST, but if you take it in M+ for example, you would use it in ST
verbal sparrow
ty 
fervent fable
is it me or does sin feel like shit to play?
gentle gyro
that's a you-problem
frail fossil
it is cuz it actually does damage
gloomy fern
more like personal preference than a problem
frail fossil
yeah
fervent fable
yeah i dunno just feels so clunky
frail fossil
it's just low apm
gentle gyro
compared to?
frail fossil
i never said it was a bad thing
i just said that it's slower than a lot of specs
and some people might not be into that
gentle gyro
slow in which aspect though?
frail fossil
?
gentle gyro
we have no big "press here to top dps" button, but it's not like we have no buttons to press
gloomy fern
xd
frail fossil
bro
verbal mantle
compact pumice
Slow as in uses fewer gcds than the other rogue specs is true though
frail fossil
yes u just press buttons less often
tho that becomes less true once cleave is involved
vital pulsar
whats my dps profile meant to look like in meters?
gloomy fern
if u sim yourself you will see
vital pulsar
melee and envenom always trade 1st place, is that right?
frail fossil
but assa always had empty gcds, and some people dont like that, and it's fine that's called preference
strange python
Hey guys, quick question which slot should i craft dommblade hands or shoulders?
frail fossil
hands
gloomy fern
hands if u can get SLG mythic shoulders, othherwise what gives u biggest upgrade
strange python
Thanks for your help 🙂
final star
I'm comparing my logs to similar person around my ilvl
and I was like
why the fuck he got so much more average damage
the bastard got 2 PI 
magic shale
does vendetta make rupture do more dmg if used after applying rupture?
fallow estuary
hmm
gloomy fern
yes, things dont snapshot
fallow estuary
226 skulkers outsims 226 IQD for me
loud mason
Got similar question, if i apply dots to sludgefist when he got dmg taken debuff, do they deal more for full duration ?
hazy flame
no
gloomy fern
no it wears of when dmg buff wears of
viral pawn
So... I'll check assa soon - just wondering what covenant I should go now. I still want to play MA/KS-outlaw in m+, while want to try assa a bit aswell - mainly for raids. Guess I'll craft doomblade for ST.
So.. nightfae or necro?
subtle tundra
if you want to play MA/KS dont go nightfae ^^
viral pawn
Well I guess NF than because of how clunky SBS is w/ mfd..
gloomy fern
necro is actually best for outlaw m+
flat crater
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nLheTz3bj3GsbvjGCx5hEp getting higher sim with vers mastery pvp gear lol, should i go with it in raid?
gloomy fern
what kind of question is that? yes go with what sims the highest
flat crater
ok sry for asking
gloomy fern
and they are all like 10 ilvl upgrades so ofc it will sim higher no matter the secondaries
celest marlin
what night fay potency konduit should i use? shiv one or the instant poison one?
gentle gyro
wps
flat crater
so it dont matter the stats, just agi and ilevel when 7 ilevel higher
hazy flame
what night fay potency konduit should i use? shiv one or the instant poison one?
well placed steel
chilly crane
does doomblade count serrated bone spike as a bleed
gentle gyro
yes
chilly crane
which is bis assa legendary if you want to play m+ as well as raid
spice spire
which is bis assa legendary if you want to play m+ as well as raid
Some combination of Zoldyck’s/master assassin and Doomblade/dashing scoundrel
gentle gyro
but also, zoldyck's for m+, doomblade for raid, MA does okay in both but also never the best
cursive meteor
Do you ever funnel echoing blades into envenoms or is that just a waste
one sire p1 for example
fan of knives sry
gentle gyro
was about to ask what that is, and uh, kinda depends
if you have 3 boomies in your group it's likely wasted effort
final star
4+ targets you FoK
so it would make sense in raid that if there is 4 targets and above you FoK
frail fossil
what kieron said
so in p1 sire u can usually just use 1/2fok
before all adds disappear
cursive meteor
Even if the prio is still st?
final star
yes
final star
it's just more efficient energy usage
rogues don't do much impactful damage to adds those phases anyway
basically just blade rush/blade flurry
etc
grizzled elm
with deeper stratagem, do you still use finishers with 4 cb or it becomes 5-6?
cursive meteor
5-6
cloud reef
5-6
grizzled elm
tyvm
royal cloak
guys when you play with MA in m+, are you playing with subterfuge?
final star
you can play subterfuge or Nightstalker
I personally prefer nightstalker
But subterfuge has a higher ceiling to it I think
final star
no
with MA
fok > rupture > fok > rupture > garrote
don't refresh the original ct until it drops off
since it's NS boosted
royal cloak
thank you! forgot about that
oak jungle
is NS the only thing that snapshots?
final star
I think so, I can't think of anything else that does off the top of my head
It's just how the ability works
gloomy fern
subter garrote does
gentle gyro
first key of the week
gentle gyro
and already enough
chilly crane
are there any good rotation addons/WAs that you would suggest? 🙂
alpine garden
Ive been in two aborted plaguefall runs already today
desert rain
Trying assa in m+, should I go vigor or deeper if I can't manage MfD yet?
subtle tundra
vigor
final star
mfd is a use on cd ability
desert rain
Ty
gloomy fern
can anyone look at this and tell me what i did wrong? maybe whispyr if youre aro...
your opener looks really scuffed, dont u overcap cps?
desert rain
Yes there is, since you should try to execute target with it
I'm not sure mdf is better than vigor if u'you don't reset it since you don't use it on st
final star
you should try to obviously
desert rain
Or m I wrong here?
desert rain
I see
loud niche
your opener looks really scuffed, dont u overcap cps?
nope :\ i pretty well always abide by finish at 5+
desert rain
I'll give it a go then
gloomy fern
nope :\ i pretty well always abide by finish at 5+
you throw way to many mutis in opener imo and not getting a envenom in until 18s into the fight
final star
his opener is completely wrong
royal cloak
lol i just thought why my raidbot dungeonslice sim for assa showed like 2,5k less than my outlaw. figured out, that you also need two daggers equipped lol
final star
yes
Mut > SnD > Mut > Garrote > Flagellation > Rupture > Vendetta + Shiv > Vanish + Mut > Envenom > Mut
iron orchid
nope :\ i pretty well always abide by finish at 5+
Btw if you want top parse on M destroyer you'd have not to follow any strat, by staying in melee all along, soaking some consume with Cloak, etc, and get PIs too
cursive meteor
does sepsis just go in with flag or does it change the opener
iron orchid
Imo parsing 91 on a Mythic boss after the patch without getting PIs and while playing reasonably is already good
cursive meteor
hows nightfae opener then?
iron orchid
I mean, I feel like 95 is feasible without dropping strats
Probably not when there are fewer players and those at the top are recleaner who push with a full optimal CE guild, with adequate kill timers etc
final star
cursive meteor
Mut > SnD > Mut > Garrote > Rupture > Vendetta + Sepsis + Shiv > Vanish + Envenom > Mut
loud niche
hm. i appreciate the help
cursive meteor
After or before Vendetta then Kieron? You said both
harsh rampart
Mut > SnD > Mut > Garrote > Rupture > Vendetta + Sepsis + Shiv > Vanish + Enveno...
Id imagine you'd want to mutilate first after the vanish, or youll be using envenom with 2 or 3 cps
shut leaf
Should I do doomblade first and then zoldyck for raiding?
junior token
Id imagine you'd want to mutilate first after the vanish, or youll be using enve...
you have only 3 sec for masterassasin so u want to do Envenom, Mut, Envenom. and the Mut crits so u get 3-4 combopionts
winter vapor
Any guidance on when to use bonespike in 3+ target?
gentle gyro
something tells me this week will have like half the keys completed compared to last week
harsh rampart
you have only 3 sec for masterassasin so u want to do Envenom, Mut, Envenom. a...
Hmm ok i see. And this doesnt change if youre running DS either i assume?
junior token
nope the chance to get 3-4 combopoints with mut after stealth is the reason we open up with mut. i personaly dosnt play with DS anymore its sims higher but the playstyle feels a bit wierd to me and its much more unforgiving if u mess up ur energymanagment
zenith ravine
Anyone been using doomblade in high keys and thoughts?
final star
Just mut
stiff mountain
is it possible to macro flagelation and an on use trinket into vandetta?
eternal sleet
have done 18's and 17's with doomblade
zenith ravine
@mono how did the dps go?
eternal sleet
avg 6k but i think it wont be that good this week
zenith ravine
Ya
final star
@stiff mountain flagellation is on gcd so no
Oh trinket
Then yes
Can use all three in one
Two are off gcd
eternal sleet
also now i have a question mastery sims like crazy high for me in multitarget I' have a 226 ring in front of me with 50 crit and 150 mastery
cause people always say mastery is bad im confused
zenith ravine
Mastery better in aoe
junior token
/castsequence reset=30 vendetta, flagellation, (name of the one use)
eternal sleet
@zenith ravine yea crit > mastery > vers > haste is sim for me on only 5 targets and my stats rn are 25% / 22 % 20 % 12%
zenith ravine
Nice stats for sure
eternal sleet
@zenith ravine zold should be best for this week i think in higher keys ma in lowers
uneven summit
So it seems like being night fae is not good at all anymore huh
vital pulsar
is the memory of past sins a good trinket?
safe totem
poggers, 226 dagger in the vault
raven burrow
Is dungeon slice kinda broken for asssa? top gear says doomblade is better than zolydick and I just can't imagine this to be true for m+ 😄
plain thistle
is the memory of past sins a good trinket?
yes, one of the bests
vital pulsar
sweettttt
where can i find a list for such things?
i remember seeing but i cant find it again
plain thistle
herodamage.com or bloodmallet
vital pulsar
ah yes ty
fathom lynx
I personally prefer nightstalker
Do you know if the 100% Deadly Poison applied from stealth also gets Nightstalker when you CT? I'm at work so I can't test - but this question just popped into my head
final star
I actually don't known
uneven summit
Okay so switchin to venthyr, what do i need to do, there was an anima trick or something?
raven burrow
Okay so switchin to venthyr, what do i need to do, there was an anima trick or s...
You can buy the covenant armor for anima and sell it at your new sanctum for anima refund. don't know if this still works though.
final star
Do you know if the 100% Deadly Poison applied from stealth also gets Nightstalke...
I doubt it though cos abilities apply it, right?
So it's technically applied after you've left stealth
uneven summit
You can buy the covenant armor for anima and sell it at your new sanctum for ani...
ill give it a go 🙂
compact pumice
You can buy the covenant armor for anima and sell it at your new sanctum for ani...
Yeah it still works. Bought the mount for 5k and got it all refunded after swap
quaint dragon
Whats best covenant now for raids?
onyx wind
depends on whether the raid bosses consist of 3 individual targets each
that last for 5 minutes
quaint dragon
single
onyx wind
venthyr
quaint dragon
and kyrian is giga bad or what
desert rain
Define giga
grim hawk
do we go crit > mastery > vers > haste for m+?
i watched a guide that was uploaded yesterday and im confused about stats now :(
onyx wind
and kyrian is giga bad or what
yes
stoic needle
Stop watching that dude's guides he doesn't know what he's talking about
grim hawk
it was intoxious or something
onyx wind
any dagger looters? 226? just me? ok
uneven summit
Is there a way to sim being in other covenants :p?
grim hawk
but he was so full of himself saying this guide is the best thing ever just do what i say
so i naturally believed
stoic needle
Is there a way to sim being in other covenants :p?
Top gear check unlock all covenants
stoic needle
so i naturally believed
Yeah he's completely full of shit, just forget everything you heard in that video
grim hawk
Yeah he's completely full of shit, just forget everything you heard in that vide...
fuck...
primal zinc
this happened while i was farming EN for shoulder mog
final star
lilac sparrow
any difference from position of celestial / sin?
subtle tundra
http://prntscr.com/10o4j8y
wow they really made an ingame item after this discord
winter gale
Is assa way below outlaw for SLG progress?
normal mist
wow they really made an ingame item after this discord
What item?
spice spire
It’s pretty hard to sin and be an slg gamer
subtle tundra
What item?
click on my reply.
lilac sparrow
what is SLG?
spice spire
For reference yesterday, there were 18 that cleared slg on mythic, but 60 sire kills
Stone legion generals
lilac sparrow
Aha
normal mist
Oh but that is a wow location if I'm not mistaken
uneven summit
Top gear check unlock all covenants
is it not just soulbinds and potency conduits..? can´t seem to find it
subtle tundra
For reference yesterday, there were 18 that cleared slg on mythic, but 60 sire k...
its mostly cause good rogues can just swap to the better spec for each fight
spice spire
It’s the OG WoW rogue headquarters
normal mist
Exactly
grim hawk
Oh but that is a wow location if I'm not mistaken
i think he is wooshing you xD
spice spire
its mostly cause good rogues can just swap to the better spec for each fight
I mean sure, but the fact that good rogues don’t go on it, is pretty telling
subtle tundra
i think he is wooshing you xD
dont spoil it
verbal mantle
sin channel btw
normal mist
onyx wind
im so close to 7k.. :(
spice spire
It’s so fucking weird to see. We went from 6k hard to obtain to pretty obtainable 7k
Scaling with buffs
onyx wind
Yea we are getting nerfed
:(
Most rogues are lower ilvl than other classes on 95% logs aswell
spice spire
I wouldn’t be mad nor surprised since a lot of the incidental buffs were just bug fixes
onyx wind
So we are just gonna get stronger once we get gear
keen tree
from the conquest vendor is the Haste Vers neck the best option for us?
onyx wind
also depends on whether u pvp
keen tree
i want to pvp AND m+ mostly
onyx wind
then go haste
keen tree
Ok thanks - out of interest when would you go crit?
onyx wind
if you raid
chilly crane
is there any reason to ever go master assassin talent if you are wearing the legendary?
onyx wind
since crit is harder to come by than haste
keen tree
Ah ok. Thanks very much 🙂
wild birch
herodamage or bloodmallet
native lynx
zold goes on legs right?
dim wyvern
!bs
prisma monolithBOT
Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message
native lynx
are people using that macro for ambush? seems silly
azure pewter
is shadowgrasp totem any good for assa? im just getting back into the game and i got it in my vault
azure pewter
i have 2 184 trinkets lmao
grim hornet
since crit is harder to come by than haste
is it?
reef axle
Tried the addon. It’s not that good, makes the mut and ambush rather clunky to use
grim hornet
oh, from raid drops u mean, ok, ill take it
lofty shell
yoink
chilly crane
do I craft haste versa doomblade on gloves for general use?
spice spire
do I craft haste versa doomblade on gloves for general use?
Haste/vers or haste/crit. It’s kind of whatever you need at the time
keen tree
to choose gear for m+ using sims can i just go single target patchwerk?
reef axle
Both work, and the difference is about 10 dps.
chilly crane
thank you 🤲
spice spire
Crit’s harder to find this tier, so that might be the play. But yeah difference is minimal
spice spire
to choose gear for m+ using sims can i just go single target patchwerk?
Dungeon slice or 5 patchwerks for m+ gear. Our APL is very involved so dungeon slice is pretty Deece
keen tree
Deece?
fallen ginkgo
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
keen tree
5 patch for 1 min?
stable yarrow
I made Doomblade with Haste/Vers 😦 .... should I recraft with Haste/Crit or just upgrade the vers ones?
spice spire
Decent. Sorry, and 5 patch for 1, for 5, kind of whatever in between
spice spire
I made Doomblade with Haste/Vers 😦 .... should I recraft with Haste/Crit or jus...
Upgrading is fine. Vers is a good stat for us
keen tree
ok i will just use dungeon slice then - thanks 🙂
spice spire
No worries, good luck 🙂
onyx wind
Upgrading is fine. Vers is a good stat for us
🙂 true
spice spire
Toxic
wet zealot
should i use ambush or mult when coming out of stealth ?
flat crater
mult
late birch
crit haste on doomblade leggo yes?
spice spire
crit haste on doomblade leggo yes?
That or haste vers. Crit harder to find in raid, so probably that one
late birch
did blizzard increase the haste on the Lady Inerva ring?
because that haste number looks weird now
spice spire
I don’t think so? It’s always been a bit weird numerically
chilly crane
do you guys macro potion into vendetta?
onyx wind
sometimes
burnt star
In raid when we lust on pull ya
civic trellis
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
civic trellis
Any good Assa WA? Looking for one like mystler one
torn atlas
do you guys macro potion into vendetta?
I have a few burst macros. Problem is remember to use the right one at the right time/not using pot macro in world fights and shit.
late birch
!ws
subtle tundra
or maybe have it keybinded 
hollow talon
😮
final star
Same as every week then 
knotty sparrow
do you guys use a macro for ambush/mutilate
No such thing unfortunately
mossy crown
is there a haste cap?
pastel shale
yeah 100%
mossy crown
lols, so I'm good at 22%
hollow escarp
ackhyualkly
shy axle
mossy crown
pull, 2nd, 4th
hollow escarp
I would make sure to time one set of CDs with lust
mellow pier
On mythic u do 1 and 3
hollow talon
vendetta on pull for mythic sludge or wait for 1st
hollow talon
pog
lofty shell
i gotta choose between 220 dreadfire, quantum device or some shoulders
does phial exist
jaunty fable
!bis
mossy crown
I'd go with Zold
strange python
which leggo did u play and how high was the key?
onyx wind
only +16 and zoldyck
strange python
ah nice
so zoldyck is the way to go I think
Hey ive mostly played as outlaw but i recently made the switch to assasination and ive been wondering if they are just as good or decently good to push keys with as assasination instead of outlaw or should i just go outlaw in m+?
crimson grove
I'd say outlaw feels easier and more fun for keys but its personal pref, i go assass for raid and outlaw mostly for m+
strange python
im just worried ppl wont really take me if they know im assasination since not many ppl are playing that in m+ but i can well hold my dps against all the other dps in 17s,18s,19s
chilly crane
outlaw is easier? I mean aren't there like a thousand buttons to press and maintain and no free globlas
+keeping track of rolls
crimson grove
weakauras bby
strange python
they have a high cpm but nothing 2 hard to track of
hollow escarp
as you do in single target
strange python
^^
hollow escarp
just like DH in bfa
normal mist
What talents are you running for m+ btw? I can only go for like 6k max overall :( playing doomblade tho
woven needle
Outlaw is simple once you have done it a few times
hollow escarp
that's another reason why outlaw is better in m+
strange python
Please help lol
hollow escarp
you can focus more on cc's
woven needle
What I don't get is how people are pulling so much more damage from all abilities in raid than I am
hollow escarp
ghostly strike? 
woven needle
I do 6.5 vs their 8.5
raven granite
How is outlaw more simple? I thought the spec has more apm
hollow escarp
apm = hard 
woven needle
It's the same buttons over and over again
hollow talon
what are you guys simming at for patchwerk
woven needle
Hit the glowing one
crimson grove
i used to be a fury main so im used to mashing my buttons anyway 😄
normal mist
what are you guys simming at for patchwerk
I'm still at 6.4 :(
hollow escarp
there is a lot you can minmax, that doesn't make it hard though
woven needle
I'm at 6.6 lonzo
224 ilvl
hollow talon
nice
i need to get my leggo rank up and stuff
just switched from outlaw and my ST is about the same or a little less on sims
but i think it'll be better for sludge
im also kyrian sadboi so
woven needle
I need to find one of my logs and get thoughts on what I'm doing wrong cause I'm at a loss atm
verbal mantle
It's the same buttons over and over again
hollow escarp
im also kyrian sadboi so
just swap if you want to, I changed to venthyr on friday
7 days ago I got renown 40 on NF 
renown farming is a joke
uneven summit
How long would it take to get to 30 renown when switching?
hollow talon
just swap if you want to, I changed to venthyr on friday
i would but we're pretty close on sludge like 5% last night and then it'll prob be weeks of SLG prog and i think outlaw is better there
normal mist
I'm still trying to decide if I try necro or not (both Venthyr and nfae are renown 40) for m+
normal mist
Me no like pewpew
hollow escarp
maybe when/if I reach SLG so I have reason to play outlaw
normal mist
Aka no outlaw for me
woven needle
Anyone wanna take a look and see if there is anything I can do better
Granted I was usually a bit higher than the kill damage but still
I don't understand how I'm so far below.others on this
hollow escarp
we had a lot of those low wipes as well
hollow talon
honestly would rather play assa for all the raid but theres so much cleave
woven needle
I've tried both elaborate and stratagem
hollow escarp
think I had 6.6k on a wipe
woven needle
They do about the same damage
hollow escarp
look at those inerva wipes
woven needle
Yup on our logs those were pull 5 and 6
hollow escarp
we did pull the boss the night before a few times
woven needle
Yeah we did on sunday
verbal mantle
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xY4VkfpFgRWB6hDv#fight=35&type=summary
you should work on your opener first
woven needle
Okay what should i change order of ability wise
raven granite
How do you guys open on M+? Say 3 mobs.
hollow escarp
gar1 gar2 gar3 snd mfd ct fok rupt fok rupt fok shiv envenom
verbal mantle
Okay what should i change order of ability wise
hollow escarp
something like that
verbal mantle
your shiv is coming way too late
raven granite
cheers
verbal mantle
you had like 0 energy entering your master assassin window
raven granite
no ambush from stealth?
hollow escarp
nope
verbal mantle
no
verbal mantle
it's not just that, you also want to rupture before vendetta
learn the opener i screenshotted earlier
and practice on a dummy until you're comfortable with it
raven granite
Should I just replace ambush with mutilate on my stealth bar?
hollow escarp
Should I just replace ambush with mutilate on my stealth bar?
YES
use different bind for ambush
woven needle
@verbal mantle thank you
verbal mantle
hollow escarp
if you play hunter, use the same keybind as kill shot
I have an execute keybind for every class 😄
deft cape
Should I just replace ambush with mutilate on my stealth bar?
well you only use ambush through blindside procs/sepsis if you're fae - otherwise mut takes prio especially during vanish windows so yeah have them on separate binds
raven granite
Didn't know ambush was weaker than mut. Also is that a 3 point rupture on that opener screenshot?
normal mist
Is it okay to be like 16%crit/25%haste/20%vers to m+?
civic trellis
Do I use shiv at 6 cp or do i hold it and try to be at 5 cp?
normal mist
That's what my sims tell me to go for D: I'm basically pvping the m+ with that much vers 
civic trellis
I am trying to use shiv at +5 cp but i cap at 6 frequently
brave vector
Didn't know ambush was weaker than mut. Also is that a 3 point rupture on that o...
It’s a whatever CP you have rupture after the mutilate and garrote
pastel shale
Just Shiv on CD
brave vector
You just want to get it up, if mutilate crits and you have 5 CPs for rup cool if not and you low rolled 3 CPs w/e
limber lion
This is actually incorrect for Venthyr. You want to use Flag before the rupture.
hollow escarp
verbal mantle
indeed, Flag doesnt give CP too iirc (im still nf)
verbal mantle
yeh i know that
woven needle
So use flag but not vend
limber lion
Cd, my man
onyx wind
if you dont get lust at pull, u will be energy starved with the linked opener
so u have to pool before using vanish
@woven needle
bold jetty
can someone explain why this is downgrade? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jHCmHtjwAmcvMsX2PN15in
icy crater
sim probably values vers very low
stoic needle
Vers is SHIT
icy crater
are those from your vault spawn?
bold jetty
yes
stoic needle
MASTERY FOREVER 
stoic needle
Yeah try using top gear
bold jetty
ooo Ty
onyx wind
stat distribution is really 50 dps wtf
stoic needle
It's probably because crit is more valuable for you or something?
bold jetty
28% crit 12% vers 18%haste
onyx wind
if u have like 600 vers and 200 crit thats prob why
slender berry
wtf is that cursed sim loosing 40 dps by gaining 6 ilvl
thorn turtle
What stats are you at osh?
onyx wind
28% crit 12% vers 18%haste
vers is very bad once u have a bit of it
bold jetty
i will check it with topgear soon
thorn turtle
I think I’m fine with 11% verse
stoic needle
Nearly exactly the same as this guy, 28% crit, 19% haste, 23% mastery 8% vers
stoic needle
If I get the boe 226 boots and upgrade the arachnid ring I should be 30% crit
thorn turtle
Let me check what I’m at
spice spire
If I get the boe 226 boots and upgrade the arachnid ring I should be 30% crit
What’s your mastery tho?
final star
any 3 cp MfD gamers
onyx wind
LOL
stoic needle
I still have a couple pvp peices
thorn turtle
22 crit 22 haste 23 mast 11 versa
I’m malding
I think I need to go theotar
Cuz I’m overcapping on haste so much
icy crater
what does that mean
onyx wind
theotar is banger
limber lion
I'm sad that I got the best neck from the vault today, but it's without a socket and I haven't done Maw in like 3 weeks since I got my sockets
stoic needle
There's no such thing as overcapping on haste
icy crater
I'm sad that I got the best neck from the vault today, but it's without a socket...
I haven't done a maw quest since january
thorn turtle
With thrill alacrity and flag
proven ferry
Over capping on haste ? Never heard that before
limber lion
Yeh I did it for sockets and when I had all 6 sockets I stopped doing it
thorn turtle
But pure haste is shit for m+
icy crater
what neck was it
thorn turtle
Since crit is lowish
limber lion
But my rings/neck aren't the best so of course they'll eventually be swapped