assassination

[stoic needle]

he was asking why top mythic raid log sins are using doomblade

[marble bear]

what legendary?

[limber lion]

Ah yeh

[frigid kestrel]

What content?

[marble bear]

i do everything really

a little of everything

[frigid kestrel]

Zold - M+
Doom - Raid

But both are able to work in the opposite environment.

[quasi crane]

w

[frigid kestrel]

Also everything is in Pins

[marble bear]

ah i dont have the zold recipie

so ill make doom

[vernal tapir]

!bis

[cerulean nest]

shadowcore oil right?

[frigid kestrel]

Sim

Sharpening Stones sims higher for me with Agy pots

[balmy condor]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[frigid kestrel]

But ive heard people say the opposite

Or that they were even

Another command I didn’t know existed

[crimson palm]

hello guys new rogue here, is this enough mastery or do i need more

[gray fjord]

Yes

[stoic needle]

https://tenor.com/view/more-kylo-ren-adam-driver-screaming-star-wars-gif-17734637

[crimson palm]

yes i need more?

[gray fjord]

[frigid kestrel]

New Rogue .... hmmmm

[gray fjord]

Sorry my brain 404'd when I saw who posted it.

[frigid kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/hmmmm-homer-simpson-eyeroll-gif-13185781

[crimson palm]

i am new look my item

[stoic needle]

MORE

[crimson palm]

AZERITE WILL PREVAIL

[gray fjord]

Waiting for someone to find a bug that lets you use azerite armor/powers in SL

It'll be great for 1 hour.

[frigid kestrel]

Done with ya lock?

Coming back to the sin side?

[crimson palm]

just raid logging lock

[frigid kestrel]

Ahhh gotcha

[crimson palm]

time to give this toon some love it deserves

i leveled 6 alts before it 😦

[frigid kestrel]

WoW

Just ..... WoW

[polar cape]

Betrayeerrr

[frigid kestrel]

He’s no purest

[crimson palm]

hey, not my fault they dumpstered the spec 😐

[frigid kestrel]

Can’t argue there

I want to, but I can’t

[silent dune]

is 27% haste too much?

[stoic needle]

No

[crimson palm]

no u need 34

[frigid kestrel]

Sim stat weight

[stoic needle]

69% is bis

[crimson palm]

rookie number, this is obviously bis

[hollow escarp]

I lost my screenshot with 202% mastery

[slow marsh]

We did it boys

Limit max just said sin rogue is the only rogue to play in raid as of now

[hollow escarp]

for single target

[atomic estuary]

confirmed???

[hollow escarp]

now that he said that

[slow marsh]

He said if you're playing outlaw then just play another melee cleave spec

[hollow escarp]

this channel will be a mess for the next weeks

[gray fjord]

[formal cliff]

How do I make a Vendetta+Flag macro? 🤔

[twilit quiver]

obviously he talks about world first though

[formal cliff]

New to wow macros and everything

[hollow escarp]

no

you don't

[slow marsh]

Yes, he's speaking on general class theory as of now + going into next raid

[strange python]

third week in a row

[gray fjord]

If you made one, you'd never just do it for the sake of synching them together, so it's kinda pointless since there is no gain from holding one or the other.

[hollow escarp]

if you really want to..
#showtooltip Vendetta /cast Vendetta /cast Flagellation

but don't use it

[gray fjord]

You'd just use it to hit whatever CD is available, and that's a thing I guess.

^

[thorny rose]

forbidden fruit

[gray fjord]

Pretty much it's not like some secret uber DPS dump or anything, but you can use the same button for both if you track CD's with weakauras and whatnot.

[formal cliff]

Just for the opener btw

[hollow escarp]

you have enough time in sin opener

[formal cliff]

[gray fjord]

^

[hollow escarp]

to press all necessary buttons

ahh, well you could use the macro I posted earlier

if you really need it for opener

and you have high MS

[quasi crane]

how long do you have to wait for changeing covenants?

[hollow escarp]

have you ever been on the covenant you want to go to?

[quasi crane]

possibly

[hollow escarp]

if you were never, you could instantly swap

if not, do it on the last day of reset

[formal cliff]

One more question, flag off cd or sync it with something after the first cast?

[hollow escarp]

so you can do 2nd part of the quest right after reset

[quasi crane]

so i have to wait till the next reset?!

[hollow escarp]

are you EU?

[balmy condor]

flag on cooldown is the default

[quasi crane]

no

[hollow escarp]

then you might wanna wait

[balmy condor]

you can sync with vendetta for minor gains, if and only if you know you won't miss a cast

[hollow escarp]

not sure what happens in the transition period and if you lose your previous covenant juice

I never returned to the ones I betrayed

[quasi crane]

wtf

[formal cliff]

Ty 🙂

[stoic needle]

Lord God please help us

[crimson palm]

do u benefit more from having the haste or the direct dmg during vend

[stoic needle]

https://tenor.com/view/300-shields-ready-ready-frank-miller-spartans-gif-5492752

[hollow escarp]

I'm gonna reroll sub just to be hipster

[silent tinsel]

is this right for my gear level? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/b8RKJw5ZmDGpHUpAVk1ZVM

[stoic needle]

Holding the line against fotm rerollers

[stoic needle]

What about it

[silent tinsel]

idk, I just thought it was low

[hollow escarp]

it's not

[stoic needle]

that's what pvp gear sims about for sin

pvp gear isn't the best for sin

too much vers, not enough crit

[hollow escarp]

well I do sim 6742 with lower ilvl

[stoic needle]

yeah same

but that's the difference in secondaries

[hollow escarp]

but it's probably secondary stats optimization

not a big deal

[stoic needle]

replace your rings and necklace with crit and haste heavy ones and you'll see a largeish gain

[hollow escarp]

Inerva ring tomorrow

in box or raid

don't care

[balmy condor]

the haste

[crimson palm]

what's the sweetspot

[hollow escarp]

[balmy condor]

[crimson palm]

haste lasts for 12s

and u can shiv only once

so i assume there's a sweetspot

[hollow escarp]

press on CD

[balmy condor]

it's 24 seconds

[hollow escarp]

[crimson palm]

haste lasts 12s

[balmy condor]

you ramp up for 12

I still don't understand the question though

just use them together

and gg

[silent tinsel]

Bring back primaries on rings

ree

[hollow escarp]

I'm good

[crimson palm]

well if u use em together u'd lose 4s of haste buff

[short token]

So is assass back?

[strange python]

I just got ham with the sim opener

[crimson palm]

and if u get more dmg from the haste part, it's a loss

so u'd flag 4s earlier

[strange python]

Just get the bleeds up shiv vanish env

[hollow escarp]

it was always here

[strange python]

Go wild

[balmy condor]

not necessarily

[strange python]

Don’t even know what I’m doing half the time

[short token]

@hollow escarp but I mean like, back back

[balmy condor]

you can get more benefit from the haste, and still have it to be optimal to cast together

we take lashing

[short token]

Like legion back

[balmy condor]

so you want that in vendetta

[short token]

Not legion, bfa rather

[hollow escarp]

it will never be the same as legion

[balmy condor]

really we're talking about like margin of error dps differences though

[short token]

Lol

[balmy condor]

moving flag 4 seconds back or forward

is super irrelevant

[short token]

I’ve been outlaw for so long I want a change

[hollow escarp]

nvm, haste was irrelevant for sin rogues in Legion

[heavy skiff]

remember legion fok build? 🙂

that shit was weird

[hollow escarp]

yeah, it was fun farming good relics to replace the fok ones after they fixed it

[short token]

Where is assass simming w/ respect to outlaw atm? I know for cleave outlaw ahead how about ST?

[silent tinsel]

Spread gary to one extra target on council?

[balmy condor]

pins

[balmy condor]

yes

[rapid prism]

deeper stratagem or vigor as Master Assasin for ST fights?

[zealous wedge]

wheres a good guide for M+

[balmy condor]

sim yourself

[balmy condor]

icyveins has a section on it

[short token]

I apologize in advance if I’m not seeing it correctly (am on mobile atm) but is sin simming above outlaw for straight single target?

[balmy condor]

yes

much higher

but also still in the pins

:)

[hollow escarp]

based on outlaw pins it's 6771 while sin is 7311

[short token]

@balmy condor man I’m not seeing it in the pins at all.

[hollow escarp]

well outlaw logs are with Guy's gear

[kindred crescent]

how much haste should i have to good deeper strat

[hollow escarp]

sim and find out

[balmy condor]

the first one in this channel is single target, the third is outlaw has sims as well

[visual stratus]

Let’s say the next raid tier includes a couple of bosses where execute dmg is very important (which usually happens), and you could only afford to craft one legendary for whatever reason at the beginning of progression. Would you craft Doomblade or Zold in that scenario? Theoretically speaking.

[hollow escarp]

zoldyck

[visual stratus]

Let’s say you’re in a competing top 100 guild

[hollow escarp]

when you progress a boss, execute damage is pretty relevant

[short token]

Damn I’m just seeing covenant comparisons and legendary

Not sin vs law

[hollow escarp]

the best overall legendary has to be way better than zoldyck to make it better on a boss you struggle

[visual stratus]

zoldyck
@hollow escarp probably my take too

[hollow escarp]

right now it won't be the case with the ilvl we have

so even if I'm in progress, I'm still gonna play doomblade where I can

[visual stratus]

Makes sense

[hollow escarp]

there is also another big feelycraft thing here

it does really feel good to ramp up in meters

on the last phase

I hoped zoldyck would buff more of our abilities in execute phase

[visual stratus]

Execute feels great

Warriors love their execute/condemn

Scorch feels amazing

[hollow escarp]

builds up hype for the kill 😄

[eternal steeple]

hello boyz , is doomblade that suck in mm+ ?

[hollow escarp]

not really

in some dungeons it's pretty good

like ToP

[undone verge]

i'm saying that in 9.0, all the top assassination rogues used zolds in the raid, all over. now, it's rarely on the top parses

[patent plaza]

potentially stupid question.. at how many targets does CT become better than PB?

[visual stratus]

Probably also because many of the top parsers are on reclear

[stoic needle]

Ah. in 9.0 zoldyck was nearly equal to doomblade on ST. now doomblade is ~3% better, which is enough to use doomblade over zoldyck when you can

they buffed doomblade in 9.0.5

[undone verge]

like 15% buff iirc

[visual stratus]

Very interested to see what happens with Assa logs once more very high ilvl parsers start to parse

[undone verge]

i'm only like 5 days into assassination so i'm still trying to feel out the legendaries and how impactful they are

[hollow escarp]

in M+ situations we mostly wanna go CT even though Poison Bomb is uncapped, it doesn't do that much damage and it's heavy rng

[visual stratus]

I feel like we might have a spot for next raid. Impossible to tell really but it’s looking good

[patent plaza]

ahh ok thanks

[hollow escarp]

in raid I would only play it on Sun King

I think you could sim that though, patchwerk and keep adding bosses

but that would imply none of the targets move out of poison bomb

[cerulean kernel]

IMO we need a bit more pump to hold a spot as we don't have any raid wide buffs etc. Prolly come down to the mechanics hopefully there is room for melee

[visual stratus]

We’re simming the highest single target dmg of any melee (outside of enhancent for whatever reason???) on simulationcraft.

[fallen current]

Are there any sin rogue videos of m+ at 10 or higher? I’m trying it out and feel I’m missing something and figured a video would help.

[visual stratus]

We also bring a high amount of tankiness and an immunity

But yea, no AMZ kinda sucks

[stoic needle]

I'm always the last dps alive on wipes

[cerulean kernel]

Add % dmg from DH, WW, War and we not that high

[visual stratus]

Gief smokebomb

[stoic needle]

We still beat them pretty handily

[cerulean kernel]

to each his own

we'll see

[stoic needle]

I'm just saying from a pure dps perspective we pump and that can't really be disputed

[glad island]

I'm guessing for zoldyck we always target legs>boots right?

[cerulean kernel]

i'm talking raid spot

[mystic island]

i cant see anything about soulbinds in the pins what is the best for venth? Nadjia or Theotar

[visual stratus]

I feel like it’s extremely difficult for me to die without fucking up mechanics

God i love Feint

[hollow escarp]

Nadjia for single target

but you should sim yourself

we have the possibility to play double conduit or duelist

[mystic island]

oh okay

[silent tinsel]

How do you get details to properly check enemy damage taken on council

[hollow escarp]

or even the food buff thing in M+

[silent tinsel]

It just merges it all under one

[undone verge]

looking for advice

starting ilvl 200, swapping out my dk for sin in our raid group. not progression but wanting to do best parses possible. should i use doom at that point?

[visual stratus]

we have the possibility to play double conduit or duelist
@hollow escarp is steel the other conduit with Lashing?

[hollow escarp]

most likely yes

[patent plaza]

im sorry to ask this as its been talked about in numerous guides, but.. MA vs zoldyck in m+..

[meager iron]

whats the best stat to get from DoS trinket for assassination rogue

[patent plaza]

what is yalls pref?

[hollow escarp]

I play zoldyck, but MA is pretty good

I actually haven't simmed those 2 in dslice

also my MA is 210

[patent plaza]

my ma is 190, dont have a zoldyck yet

was wondering if I should boost ma or craft zoldyck

[harsh sphinx]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[haughty hollow]

If you're doing a higher key and packs will live for awhile go with Zoldyck. If you're quickly bursting things down MA might be better.

[buoyant wave]

Plis link list ítem bis assa

[hollow escarp]

kinda funny how on both low keys and high keys outlaw is better

[patent plaza]

things are dying too quick, so ill go with MA

[worldly bridge]

Guys what do you play for low keys ? MA leggo + nightstalker + CT or enh fok ?

[hollow escarp]

enh?

[patent plaza]

enhanced fan of knives

[worldly bridge]

im farming low keys for valiance (is that how its called in english ?) with a friend and adds doesnt live for that long

[patent plaza]

is what he means kojack

[stoic needle]

Valor!

You can try them both. NS mfd CT could be good, hidden blades could be good too. I think that's something you'd have to test for yourself

[hollow escarp]

forgot Hidden Blades is a talent

hmmm, I should try it in ToP

[fallen current]

Are there any sin rogue videos of m+ at 10 or higher? I’m trying it out and feel I’m missing something and figured a video would help.

[hollow escarp]

not sure

[stoic needle]

Top is like the worst place for it lol

[hollow escarp]

CT is also not topping meters there

[patent plaza]

itd be nice if cut to the chase also applied to CT

[hollow escarp]

it's good enough

now it feels weird to play sub or outlaw

[stoic needle]

https://m.twitch.tv/polyvalence_dei/profile

[hollow escarp]

didn't knew Dei is a streamer

[stoic needle]

Where have you been

[hollow escarp]

I don't watch rogue streamers

[stoic needle]

Dei is the only one worth watching

[hollow escarp]

alliance

tbf the french community is pretty big on alliance in EU

[fallen current]

Thanks!

[hollow escarp]

clicker

hahah

love that Macro on Vendetta

/y PI ME

[silent tinsel]

What do you use when jumping on a dutiful attendant?

Ive been just rupturing for the energy refund

[hollow escarp]

normal rotation, dies too fast to commit cds

mut rup mut envenom

could start with garrote

[worn path]

alright boys whats the opener with MA and venth

mut snd mut garrote rupture

[hollow escarp]

flag before rupture

[worn path]

then what

[hollow escarp]

vendetta shiv blast

[worn path]

shiv vanish mut envenom mut?

[hollow escarp]

yep, I vanish at full cp or -1

envenom mut and hopefully envenom

[lone siren]

Hello there. I'm venthyr actually and coming back to 'Sin but... When i sim ( my sim is 6.3k with full raid buff ) i'm around 4.4k -4.8k . And when i sim with sub ( my sum is 5.8 with full raid buff ) i'm not goind under 5k.
The diff between sim and my training target is around 1.5k for sin and 500-800 dps with sub. Is it normal to have a big difference ? :/ I dunno what i'm doing wrong with the assa.

Sry if i'm not understandable T_T

[worldly bridge]

not expert, as i've change from sub to sin not so long ago but i was in the same case as u early on

[warped shale]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[worldly bridge]

I was close af to sims as sub cuz i knew the spec very well. And i was like "meh sin not so good"

i came here with my logs, and read most of what these guys write, now i'm pretty close to sims to with sin

A few points i had to improve early on as sin was to actually smash shiv whenever its off cooldown

i've litteraly made a weakaura screaming it to remind me.

Also from personnal experience, simming with Zoldyck is usually giving me much higher numbers than reality, cuz of fight lens imo.

[knotty sparrow]

Fight lens?

[worldly bridge]

To get custom advices, you should link some fights on warcraftlogs @lone siren

[balmy condor]

you can sim yourself on a target tummy using the fight type "Target Dummy"

[knotty sparrow]

Also some sims automatically assume full raid buffs

[worldly bridge]

fight duration. i think sim calculate an execute phase longer than it is in reality.

[knotty sparrow]

It’s just a 5 minute fight so 30% of that

[balmy condor]

that's not actually how that works

30% is 30%

[lone siren]

I never went in NC as 'sin atm. Only as sub. I just tried sometimes on the training thing. I also think it sim the execute phase, which doen't exist on it.
Should i try to sim without buff and on target tummy then ?

[worldly bridge]

idk what u mean

[buoyant wave]

Bis list plis

[thorny rose]

Lmao

[worldly bridge]

my point was u sim patchwerk 5min and fight in reality might last for only 4min and the execute phase be even more reduced than what's expected from sim. which leads u to (much) worse numbers in reality than in sim.

[balmy condor]

it's still 30%

also sims use variance

so a 5 min sim is actually 4 minutes - 6 minutes

[fair stag]

guys in M+ as Assa do yall use Zoldycks?

[silent tinsel]

That was a 2/10 fight imo

[limber lion]

Zoldy or MA

[limber lion]

Grats 🙂

[silent tinsel]

Like who today makes an add mechanic where they channel invuln shields

[shy dust]

Well

[worldly bridge]

I still don't get it. 30% execute on a 6min fight means more dps than 30% execute on a 4min fight

[shy dust]

You can just attack it

[limber lion]

Just wait until you get to SLG my boy.

[tough mountain]

can assa use a sword or do I need 2 dagger?

[shy dust]

So it doesn’t get invulnerable

[limber lion]

You need 2 daggers.

[balmy condor]

!oh

[prisma monolith]

Mutilate requires a dagger in both hands, this makes using a non dagger weapons undesirable.

[shy dust]

Two daggers

[tough mountain]

thanks

[limber lion]

Yo Whispyr answer dm 😠

[balmy condor]

nah

[limber lion]

[stone herald]

Ya'll I'm going into raid tonight for the first time as Mut

You want to avoid applying bleeds during Shiv and instead cast as many high combo point envenoms as possible.
Does this also apply to normal, non-Shiv Envenom windows? Should I be reapplying bleeds then, too?

[shut leaf]

guys is it worth having mut and ambush in macro?

[heavy skiff]

!bs

[prisma monolith]

Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message

[gusty mirage]

we're getting PI again boys

kek

[stoic needle]

generally the rule is that if your garotte, snd, or rupture is about to fall off, reapply it. no matter what. even if you just shivved and rup/gar is about to drop, reapply it. if you're in shiv and your dots enter pandemic, try to wait out the shiv window to reapply, but if they won't last till the end of shiv you reapply.

[cerulean kernel]

!bis

😦

[cerulean kernel]

lol

[stoic needle]

[ancient peak]

its not worth it to keep bleeds up against the non target bosses on council right?

[silent tinsel]

Whats the cd usage for sludge look like?

flag vend first and third pillar?

or second /4th

[heavy skiff]

pull 2nd and 4th

[wide ridge]

how much haste is too much haste?

[spice spire]

How long does sludge last?

[limber lion]

You can garrote

[limber lion]

No such thing

[spice spire]

If it’s fourth or after, then pull, 2nd/fourth if it’s third or before fourth, first and third

[wide ridge]

even with diminishing returns on secondary stats?

[limber lion]

When do you lust?

[patent plaza]

raidbots doesn't allow for a sim of diff conduits does it?

[spice spire]

Top gear

[patent plaza]

ahh thanks

[limber lion]

Other stats will pull ahead of haste, but there's never "too much haste"

[wide ridge]

hm I see

[limber lion]

I already have crit as my best stat and I only have 19% haste as Venthyr.

[wide ridge]

holy shit i'm 26% haste

[vital pulsar]

Would it be worth me putting doomblade on my shoulders considering theyre my lowest item lvl piece by far (194) and I already have 220 wrist?

[limber lion]

But it's neck and neck.

[wide ridge]

doomblade is hands/shoulder

[heavy skiff]

is there a bug with thrill seeker? it just keeps stacking while im out of combat

[limber lion]

Just sim yourself, swapping gems/enchants might be the play.

[heavy skiff]

just got the proc while waiting for raid

[vital pulsar]

Nevermind then lol

[limber lion]

[vital pulsar]

Would it be worth prioritising item level in my case tho?

[limber lion]

Yes, if you're not planning to kill mythic SLG.

[vital pulsar]

Ohhhh mythic, okay thankyou!

[silent tinsel]

Plaguefall farming

[vital pulsar]

Haven’t even gotten him on heroic yet xD

[silent tinsel]

my eyes bleed

with blight

[wide ridge]

is it 400 valor per upgrade on trinkets?

or 450

[heavy skiff]

not gonna enter combat till first boss and try to abuse it lining it up with first vendetta

[limber lion]

400

[wide ridge]

damn, gotta get that 210 phial then

haven't dropped a single one yet

[limber lion]

Sick if it actually works

Is it still stacking?

[heavy skiff]

yup

[limber lion]

Wtf

Can you look at your stats when it happens and see if you actually get the haste

[heavy skiff]

it gives the haste

[wide ridge]

what the fuck

[limber lion]

Wtf

[heavy skiff]

gonna screenshot again when i have te proc

[limber lion]

That's fucked

[heavy skiff]

wait a sec

[wide ridge]

did you attack a dummy?

[heavy skiff]

the real question is

how did i do it

[heavy skiff]

killed the world boss

[vital pulsar]

Did u attack a tanking dummy?

[wide ridge]

I attacked the tank dummy by mistake and I wouldn't drop combat, not even vanishing

[errant plover]

is there a standard opening sequence for venthyr sin rogue?

[wide ridge]

mut snd mut garr flag vend rupt shiv vanish

is my opener

[limber lion]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[limber lion]

You can find openers here

[heavy skiff]

im out of combat, my wa turns gray if out of combat

[wide ridge]

ive never seen taht shit

[limber lion]

Interesting to see if it drops when you begin combat with something

[errant plover]

looked at those guides, they aren't consistent on flag use

[limber lion]

Or finish combat

[heavy skiff]

i wanna know that too

prob drops

[ancient peak]

if I'm at -1 and It makes sense to refresh garrote or use shiv, its okay to use that to try and get to max cp right?

rather than finishing at -1

[heavy skiff]

but i wanna use it on first boss

xD

so no combat till then

[wide ridge]

that's some 💿 shit

[dawn ivy]

are there any fights where thrill seeker lines up badly?

[ancient peak]

also thanks @limber lion

[limber lion]

Single target with the Master Assassin talent:
Muti - SnD - Muti - Gar - Flag - Rup - Vend - Shiv - Vanish - Muti - Env - Muti (until 5-6 cp) - Env, etc.

[fallen current]

So theo is best soulbind for m+?

[cerulean kernel]

I try to use flag before a finisher no clue if that's right but i assume it saves 1 GCD

[limber lion]

Yes, gar and shiv are perfect generators for that extra cp

[ancient peak]

kk thanks

[limber lion]

Yes, like said on the rotation there. You use it before rupture*

It is correct.

[wide ridge]

let's say my flag window (the first half) is about to end

and I can dump a 3cp envenom

do I do it?

just to stack more haste?

i think so right

[weak pike]

Does envenom automatically get the damage bonus from elaborate planning?

[dawn ivy]

i doubt thats worth the 3% haste for 12 more seconds

[wide ridge]

hm

[limber lion]

I would personally, not 100% sure on which is better.

[vital pulsar]

My mastery is 29% and I have like no mastery gear

Haste and vers are 14%

[wide ridge]

i have been doing that, not sure if it's optimal. just feels bad not to

[vital pulsar]

Is that decent stat weights

[limber lion]

It's fine

[dawn ivy]

b...bees?

[limber lion]

If you take all of your mastery gear off you'll notice that you still have mastery.

[vital pulsar]

Vers! Typo haha

[dawn ivy]

lmfaoooo

[wide ridge]

that auto correct 🥴

he drunk

[gusty mirage]

@limber lion I jsut want to thank you again sir, top dps on the ST fights

[vital pulsar]

I wish lol

[limber lion]

Hell yeah, good job!

[vital pulsar]

Man I really wanna make the switch but I’ve got no good daggers

[steep hamlet]

at what haste do you guys drop Vigor for DS ?

[limber lion]

Good to see Assa rogue's succeed and beat other classes

[wide ridge]

we were made fun of

[heavy skiff]

lost it when got into the raid 😦

[limber lion]

It's not really cut and dry, you have to sim yourself to find out.

A lot of other things play a part in it as well, ie. crit, legendaries etc.

[steep hamlet]

i feel like sims always favour DS

[limber lion]

For a Venthyr it sure does.

[wide ridge]

vigor feels better on fights that you have times where you're forced to lose uptime

like xymox

for example

but i'm still using ds

[limber lion]

Yeh. I also use Vigor on really short fights like HC Shriek/HD

[wide ridge]

the thing is vigor gets worse the more haste you get

remember 8.3 haste levels?

jeez

using every single gcd

like a furry warrior

[dawn ivy]

alacrity is the real culprit for making vigor kinda bad

[wide ridge]

[limber lion]

The eastern WoW players who get PI fed don't seem to agree with that

[wide ridge]

btw did you guys know blind works on kael phoenix?

broken af

[manic harness]

do we vendetta on pull or on 1st pillar?

[midnight sierra]

I do now 😏

[dawn ivy]

right up until all your locks/spriest/ boomies dot them for pad

[limber lion]

I wonder if they have their own discord servers and websites for all things rogue similar to RH

[limber lion]

But it's free damage :'(

[balmy condor]

how many pillars

[manic harness]

probably 3

[balmy condor]

1/3 lust on 3

[manic harness]

We're doing Heroic and I want to parse lol

k

[spice spire]

If you can’t fok Phoenix how do you pad?

[limber lion]

If you want to parse you ask for a lust for the second pillar and then use cds on pull and 2nd pillar

Usually people just lust 1/3 though, not sure why

[wide ridge]

more people alive

[timid pond]

Howdy folks, for some reason my sims are showing I should Ambush out of vanish in my opener. This goes against everything I've seen, people are either Mutilating or Envenoming out of vanish. Any idea? Maybe it's due to my stat weights

[balmy condor]

blindside

[timid pond]

ahh, its assuming a bs proc

[balmy condor]

no, like it reacts to a proc

it won't do that without a proc

[drifting cloud]

that one sequence you looked at procced it

[timid pond]

gottt it, thanks for the clarityt

[timber pawn]

How far ahead of Zoldycks is Doomblade

[balmy condor]

check the pins

[torn atlas]

Does cloak work to clear Hungering orbs and Artificer traps?

[dawn ivy]

it works

[frail fossil]

yes

i would not clear hungering orbs tho

[dawn ivy]

^

[stoic needle]

cloak is for cheesing on hungering 🙂

[dawn ivy]

zymox traps are worth clearing if you have have enough dks, but hungering orbs are nto really worth

[frail fossil]

cloak during hungering prog at least is for ur own survivability, or cheesing once it's on farm

on hungering u either put ur orb away from the boss or u stay in melee and soak your own orb

the dmg will never kill u unless you are low

[icy crater]

what u guys run to parse on sunking

adds seem to absolutely melt so not sure about m+ talents

[stoic needle]

you can only really parse with m+ talents

and a slow group

[icy crater]

rip

[gusty mirage]

90 w/ ST talents & subter

[icy crater]

y subter

[gusty mirage]

for the extra garrotes

duh

[icy crater]

so MA it is

🙂

[gusty mirage]

idk you asked what I parsed, and I told you 😠

[icy crater]

oxi don't troll me

[gusty mirage]

and I figured I'd tell you what talents I ran SIR

[icy crater]

u want me to grey parse

[gusty mirage]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/area-52/oxxi#boss=2402

breh

[icy crater]

so u can feel good abt urself

[gusty mirage]

ya boys getting PIs now

we purple parsing EZ now

(:

[icy crater]

LOL PI

OXI

STOP

[gusty mirage]

LOOK AT THE LINK SIR

LMAO

I played subterfuge before @limber lion let me know I was inting my dps

[torn atlas]

Righto. We're only reclearing HC, but I only just started raiding on SLG/Sire prog. So going back through through first fights trying to learn shit quick so I don't look too dumb haha.

[gusty mirage]

(:

no but for real, check my orange parse on shriek, I got PI 3 times 😛

[rapid stratus]

Why do you open with mutilate from stealth over vanish?

errr ambush

[brittle pawn]

cp

[stoic needle]

mutilate has a chance of proccing a free ambush with blindside too

[ebon bramble]

ew who uses blind side, its all about elaborate planning

[stoic needle]

you weird necrolord EP users can go sit in a corner somewhere

[ebon bramble]

EP so easy to use with necrolord, free combo points

ranged cleaving made easy

[stoic needle]

yeah but

[ebon bramble]

dirty venthyrs cant aoe or cleave properly

no buts

[stoic needle]

you smell like 10,000 year old socks

who's the real winner here?

[ebon bramble]

at least these socks do more damage than you dirty old hags

[stoic needle]

also flag haste = more VW procs

= cleave

[ebon bramble]

every 90sec

too long

bones every 30

refund after dead

ya got nothin

i hope next tier of raid, we get tons of ranged cleave fights and 5min 3-8 target cleave

that'll show them venthyrs

(then again might as well play outlaw in those fights lol)

[stoic needle]

xD

[brave vector]

so how does assa play on kael?

just save vendetta for when he comes down and fan spam otherwise?

[stoic needle]

it's shield damage, kinda

you'd probably want to run MA, optionally EP/NS/MFD for shield breaking

[tired citrus]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[mild flame]

for MA, do you use subterfuge or night stalker?

[stoic needle]

both are fine

[mild flame]

for raid as well?

[stoic needle]

for raid you generally want to run subterfuge

[tired citrus]

with DS you wanna mutilate at 4 or envenom? or envenom at 5-6

[stoic needle]

envenom at 5-6

[mild flame]

ok, thanks

[cold sparrow]

but for pure single target MA? (really new to assa so just curious)

[teal bloom]

In what situations is Nightstalker actually better than subterfuge/ma?

[wise gull]

when the game just really doesn't want you to have a good parse

my crit%

[stoic needle]

well the thing is that ideally youd be running doomblade for single target. so in that situation the ma talent is best. for the MA legendary i think NS would be better for single target and subterfuge for cleave/aoe. but i'd have to sim that. I don't run the MA legendary very much esp not in raid

ns is generally what you use when you need burst

[cold sparrow]

I see. Yea I am using Doomblade as I will play Assa for pure single target and cleave/aoe Outlaw (have been playing Sub only for past 2 months)

Ty

[brave vector]

alright

so sludge we just wait to vendetta on pillar?

or it should be up on 2 and 4 no?

[shy dust]

ye

1/2/4

if youre lusting 4th

[brave vector]

by that you mean pull/2/4 i assume, sounds good

[dawn ivy]

^

[shy dust]

yeah

spelling is hard

[brave vector]

im just doing heroic right now so itll probably die by 3, just made doomblade and wanted to try out assa

[ebon bramble]

self healing snd conduit feels nice 🤣

[native silo]

is there a list somewhere of what shit we can cloak in mythic raid?

[limpid blaze]

how are we feeling about stats in m+ for assa? same as usual but grab more crit esp on fortified? or do we not need the crit with katar?

my sims are showing crit as spanking everything but thats only for sustained aoe 4 target

[stoic needle]

haste >crit

haste is just amazing for us everywhere, and crit makes fok a less depressing button to press

[limpid blaze]

yeah thats kind what i was going with

so crit just pulls away from vers a bit

i didnt really understand why haste was simming so low when it's pretty linear with aoe dots

[white kettle]

Does flag feel a little worse than usual or is it just me?

[ebon bramble]

some classes's best secondary is vers...does that mean pvp gear is their bis? lol

[strange python]

<---

[limpid blaze]

p much @ebon bramble

[white kettle]

Vers is just good in pvp

[safe barn]

is it ok to shiv at cp cap?

[icy crater]

holy fuck I got the inerva ring

IT DROPPED

[stoic needle]

yes

[stoic needle]

[icy crater]

HOLY SHIT

im stoked

[ebon bramble]

mdi finals is april 23-25

does that mean season 1 ends then too?

[drifting cloud]

no it doesnt mean anything

and theres no way patch is in 5 weeks with no signs of ptr

[untold gazelle]

Is poison bomb the way ? raidwise

[white kettle]

yes

[ebon bramble]

true point XD

[marble hemlock]

Ptr for major content patches like 9.1 generally last 2-3 months

[proven ice]

God this opener is so awful

Need to spend like 300 energy before we get to steady state

[faint lion]

With DS do you still do 4 CP ruptures? Also, if shiv is about to fall off do you use a 4 CP envenom when using DS?

And if in a vanish window do you 4 CP envenom?

[safe barn]

If you are running DS the 4th becomes the 5th

i think

[proven ice]

No yes yes

[faint lion]

Thanks

[burnt star]

just killed mythic sludge: didnt win chain

sad!!

[icy crater]

@gusty mirage did you only vanish with adds up?

[untold gazelle]

coming from outlaw where theres no downtimes, assa seems to get a couple pooling windows, am I doing something wrong?

[burnt star]

ya assa u get pooling

[proven ice]

No. Pooling is most important with sin for vanish and shiv

[untold gazelle]

aight thanks

[gusty mirage]

honestly I don't even remember

[icy crater]

kk

[fading nova]

Best slot for Doomblade shoulders or hands?

[teal grove]

shoulders

[serene basin]

i'd say to sim it

[white kettle]

hands

[teal grove]

leech or avoidance for cloak?

[serene basin]

leech

[teal grove]

ty

[tired falcon]

Woke u guys recommend crafting doom or zold. Will mainly be doing sin for st raid fights and pvp (alrdy have ma)

[serene basin]

uh

doom is fine

zold is great when there is a long execute

[still dove]

hey guys, looking for an opinion on which item to get from vault this week. I have 220 SLG clock, 213 dance sheet trink and a 220 crit/mast dagger. clearly the trinket sims higher but not sure how much of that is sim-bait? how useful is it in actual use?

[serene basin]

even in houndmaster doomblade is good too

[void pecan]

if you don't have doulbe high dagger

[stoic needle]

Hands

[void pecan]

get dagger

[stoic needle]

Avoidance

[serene basin]

def dagg

[serene basin]

[stoic needle]

The trinket is trash garbage. Avoid at all costs

[stoic needle]

Leech is almost nothing. Avoidance is pure damage reduction for passive aoe damage and things your defensives don't save you from

[serene basin]

its very minor tho

[still dove]

i have a 213/210 currently so that's what i was leaning towards too , just wasn't sure how good/bad the trinket is rated by actual users

[stoic needle]

It's more impactful than leech, which is also minor

[serene basin]

D:

[stoic needle]

If you stack avoidance it's not minor

[inner granite]

Can anyone provide an analysis of my logs? Not sure what im doing wrong here. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3Wmzd6twgfkXJj1R/

[serene basin]

thats also valid for leech

but i understand

[stoic needle]

The trinket is soooooo bad. If you don't get all of the dancers it's worse than other trinkets and the dancers will often spawn in areas that put you at risk when you go to collect them

[still dove]

that's what i assumed having never actually seen anyone spawn them/use it

[stoic needle]

Leech isn't going to save you from dangerous situations where mechanics overlap like they do on sire, artificer and etc, but avoidance can actually save your ass there

Leech is kinda redundant when we have recuperator and also healers doing their jobs lol

[zinc frost]

Just switched to necro, and wanting an idea of when everyone is hitting SBS? I figured it might be mut>snd>mut>garrote>sbs>vendetta... Anything different?

[stoic needle]

Use it to replace a mutilate outside of the MA window

It's cheaper on energy and gives equivalent cp during normal combat so you want to use it as much as you can

[stiff vine]

hey guys, im making the move from outlaw to sin, i was thinking of crafting zoldycks first? we are going to be starting sludefist prog soon and feel zoldycks is probably best for sludge & sire. if im wrong please correct

[balmy condor]

doomblade is probably better for sludge

but zoldyck for sure for sire, yes

[stoic needle]

I'd try to craft a 190 of both

Doomblade first and then zoldyck

[stiff vine]

i have 6k soul ash after i do torghast after reset

[molten harbor]

What back enchant is best for Sin rogue?

[void pecan]

I went big dick with zoldycks, got 235 now I'm slowly upgrading hands

[undone verge]

holy f

[stoic needle]

Avoidance

[inner granite]

@balmy condor Can you help me out by reviewing me logs when you get a chance? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3Wmzd6twgfkXJj1R/

[strange python]

[still dove]

i crafted a 190 DB last week and was going to start saving to get it to 235. you think it'd be better to craft a 190 zold this week instead?

[molten harbor]

ty @stoic needle

[stiff vine]

also do you think 2 220 ilvl daggers as sin is going to be better than 226/220 outlaw ? im already venthyr changed

[drifting cloud]

on sludge and sire easily

[stoic needle]

For single target most likely yeah

[stoic needle]

Depends on what you're progressing, if you're going to be doing sire this week then I'd craft it, if not you can upgrade your DB

[stoic needle]

If youve got 6k ash you could do a lvl 2 of both and then upgrade them as you see fit depending on how quickly you progress. Maybe db to lvl 4 after that and then zoldyck once you down sludge

[still dove]

yeah doing H sire, and lurked enough to know zold is the go to for m+ (on the rare times i manage to find a group). thanks mate!

[drifting cloud]

just craft a r4 db

youre not getting to p3 m sire for atleast a month

probably more, if you havent even started sludge prog

[stiff vine]

i thought zolds was gona be better for sludge but if it isnt i may as well just do r4 db and ill have plenty of time during sludge & slg and most of sire prog to get another r4 zolds

[stiff vine]

what this guy said xD

[stoic needle]

Yeah doomblade is definitely better for sludge

[drifting cloud]

honestly by the time youre pulling sire it will be nerfed most likely

[stoic needle]

The last pillar and enrage is big for zoldyck but doomblade is better for the rest of the fight and it's big on every pillar

[stiff vine]

yeah was thinking more for last pillar and execute phase being the difficult part but makes sense having something to buff all 4 pillars instead of potentially only 1

[stiff vine]

our guild gimping ourselves by killing a boss then being nerfed the week after

[drifting cloud]

well the more harsh reality is that if your guild just killed council this week your chance of CE arent that great honestly

but it mostly depends on when the hell 9.1 actually launches

for all we know it might be August

[red flume]

anyone wanna guess how many months till 9.1?

[stiff vine]

juneish

[dawn ivy]

may 18th

[red flume]

i have july 15th down

july 13th** tuesday :D

[drifting cloud]

yeah even May seems like a dream right now, so I guess we'll take June

[balmy condor]

the shiv's could be improved upon, you're casting them on time, and not holding, which is good, but there's like ruptures and stuff in there. Otherwise seems fine

garrote uptime is a little questionable sometimes

[inner granite]

roger

will improve

[strange python]

Is it optimal to cast flag 4 seconds before vendetta

[undone verge]

@balmy condor thanks for the comments earlier, just got out of some heroic raid bosses. I rocked doom but crafted zolds for sire progression tomorrow. Doom did good and kept up with our local DH 👌🏼

[balmy condor]

[charred mango]

how do you guys manage cds for Sludgefist? worth saving every other toxic blade for a pillar?

and for the 1.5 min flag cd

[balmy condor]

yes

[slender urchin]

Pay a priest to give you PI for pillar 2&4

Total game changer tonight

[shy dust]

PIs during your cd for a vulnerability phase might be strong

[charred mango]

is there a good recomendation for the 1.5 min cds?

[balmy condor]

hold them

use with vend

[charred mango]

okay. and last question, 2 mins with pull/2/4 or save it for first/3rd pillar?

[drifting cloud]

pull

[charred mango]

coolio ty

[burnt star]

Pull 2/4

And ya. PI on me (assa) was better then on hunter

But i only got one on 2nd pillar :(

[charred mango]

with all the globals before we pop vend/vanish do you guys have them up for the 2nd pillar?

[brittle pawn]

you have to rush it

[shy dust]

just use vendetta

your like 3rd global

and then youre fine

[charred mango]

okey

[misty holly]

Any necrolords here know why Bone Spike is showing up in three different places now on logs?

1 casts, 2 dot, 3 conduit I guess? But I don't understand why conduit wouldnt be the exact same as more dot ticks

If Im reading my log right for my character the norma dot is hitting for 210-701 per tick and the conduit is hitting for 179-470 but can also crit for 601-1085. These numbers just look strange

why would they be different?

[somber hill]

dumb question, dont see it in pins, Zoldyck affects Crimson Tempest's bleed as well correct?

[misty holly]

I would think so. Doomblade counts it so everything should.

[hollow talon]

hello ass rogues, im switching over from outlaw and was wondering if the rotation is more or less the same from BFA?

thank you in advance ass rogues

[empty peak]

ooo

making the switch eh?

good for you young chap

[misty holly]

Not exactly. Azerite traits influenced many things in bfa. It is somewhat close though.

[hollow talon]

[empty peak]

lol

[hollow talon]

not a pirate anymore

[empty peak]

arrr

the nice thing about Outlaw and Sub is it looks like stat weights are very similar

[hollow talon]

i have not played assa since BFA though

[empty peak]

so you only really would need 2 slow weapons swords,mace,hands,etc..

[hollow talon]

i do actually have 2 226 daggers

for some reason

[empty peak]

daggers are no dice

you need slow weapons

[hollow talon]

wait what

assa doesnt use daggers anymore?

[empty peak]

OH

assa

im so stupid

i am entirely sorry 🙂

[hollow talon]

🙂

[empty peak]

LOL

[misty holly]

amateurs use daggers still. Once you get skilled enough to mutilate with swords you should do that.

[empty peak]

hey it's a late night.. lol 🙂 old age

[faint lion]

How long can you hold shiv for vendetta? Or do you not?

[hollow talon]

im making the transition to bleedy poison boi

from pirate

[empty peak]

heh

ass as some very nice burst

i was in a mythci run with them the other day

[hollow talon]

i did mythic sludge tonight and my dps as outlaw was awful

[empty peak]

aww 🙂

[somber hill]

@hollow talon make sure u use ghostly strike

[hollow talon]

does it help that much?

[somber hill]

ye

[shy dust]

dont play outlaw on that boss

outlaw is one of the worst specs in the game for it

[misty holly]

I saw someone say hold if vendetta will be up within 12 seconds the other day.

[hollow talon]

it was mostly buff timing + not having AR consistently for pillars that was really fucking me

like sometimes you get the clock buff the whole fight and you have AR every pillar

and then sometimes you dont

[somber hill]

also double on uses are rlly great

[empty peak]

how does assassination burst compare wth subletly?

[somber hill]

vendetta is stronger than anything sub has, that said, sin has more globals for set up

[misty holly]

It's bad. We're an affliction lock with daggers

[somber hill]

sub just gets right to it

[hollow talon]

90% of the top parses on sludge are assa so i was gonna go with that

[empty peak]

its hard to find reliable reading material

[somber hill]

so from an opener it might be a 3-4 seconds of increased sub burst before assa wrecks it entirely in the VD window

[empty peak]

man

you are makig me wanna switch

lol

[somber hill]

just play all 3

for pvp i play sub

[empty peak]

oh hell ya

[somber hill]

for single target sin

[misty holly]

Oh yeah, sludge is great for Sin because we can precast all dots and then go to town during pillar

[empty peak]

i'll never pvp as anything else for pvp

[somber hill]

or multi dot sin

and then aoe and M+ i go sub

[hollow talon]

i actually do play sub and outlaw but there was no reason to play sin before this patch and sludge

[misty holly]

In a mythic with switching to new adds all the time there is a lot of setup for each one though

[empty peak]

ya

[somber hill]

ya venthyr makes sin a lot more fun and comfortable too

[empty peak]

marked for death is super useful for aoe mobgs

[hollow talon]

im kyrian though

[empty peak]

/rip

[hollow talon]

looks like thats awful for sin

but im not sure if its worth switching covenant for one boss

[empty peak]

i say play what you like

you are going to do better playing what you enjoy anywys 😉

[hollow talon]

esp since it looks like outlaw is better for SLG and sire

[empty peak]

unless you are an awesome rogue

im just a filthy casual these days ;P

[misty holly]

outlaw is only better for phase 1.

[hollow talon]

but SLG outlaw has to be better no

[empty peak]

so how reliable is wowhead vs icyveins?

or are both the kiss of death

[misty holly]

Maybe? 2 target cleave is real good for Sin.

[hollow talon]

wowhead is not bad for outlaw stuff

probably alright they get good authors

for the content

[empty peak]

there best in slot list is ridiculous

their neck piece has crit and mastery on it

[faint lion]

I feel like SLG is just what do you need. Do you need more add damage? Play outlaw. Do you need more boss dam? Play assassin.

[misty holly]

wowhead is much better

[hollow talon]

bis lists i would not trust

[empty peak]

ya

i dont trust them at all

lol 🙂

my neck piece has high vers and crit at 226

way better than the one he suggets

[hollow talon]

ya just go off of your own sims

instead of bis list

[empty peak]

ya

i hope im plotting stat weights

properly lol

[hollow talon]

• yes venthyr is bis, and yes the other covenants are close enough to play what you want (kyrian sucks)

why is the pinned message talking shit about my covenant

[empty peak]

lol

cause venthyr just got a pretty major buff i think

🙂

[hollow talon]

maybe i'll just go necro

i have some renown over there

from last time i was necro

seems ok for both outlaw and sin

[empty peak]

heh 🙂 take care my dude

gotta pick up the wife!

[safe canyon]

I've never taken icyveins as more than a basic intro tbh

[faint lion]

With how covenants keep getting changed I feel like I'll be max renown in all of them by the end of the xpac

[misty holly]

Maybe they will add some kind of achievement with a chimera mount for that

with one body part from each of the covenants animals

[hollow talon]

alright im leaving kyrian

goodbye bird bois

[faint lion]

Achievement get! Successfully betrayed every covenants trust in your loyalty!

[icy crater]

almost in the 6500 sim gang pog

[hollow talon]

do i get to keep my xmogs?

[misty holly]

as long as you never replace the gear i think so!

but you cant remog them

[faint lion]

btw before you switch, spend all your anima. I found that out the hard way. If you want to carry it over you can vendor the stuff you bought at your new covenant for full refund.

Idk if that is common knowledge or not

[hollow talon]

ooooooh

like buy xmog gear?

[faint lion]

Thats what I read after searching when I changed and all my anima was just gone

[hollow talon]

i only have 5k anime but thats still a decent bit

im gonna lose my oribos portal

[misty holly]

then sell it back

[hollow talon]

[misty holly]

It should still be there if you ever switch back

[faint lion]

Oh good to know!

[hollow talon]

NPC talking shit

[safe barn]

so

to do good parses i need some PI's?

cuz damn

[hollow talon]

oh no apparently it takes a full reset to switch back to necro?

yikes

[arctic walrus]

no you dont need a buff to parse well

[wise gull]

itll be easier but its definitely not necessary

I still can't believe that out of 16 envenoms on p1 shriekwing

only one of them crit

[nimble spoke]

Honestly, I was considering going Venthyr from Necro (I play outlaw in M+) and I'm glad I didn't. I know the ST damage and Haste buff is great from Venthyr, and some strong soulbinds that are also good for pvp, but I like SBS for filler and generating combo points

fleshcraft feels really useful in group content, too

[brittle pawn]

I didn't want another rotation button to hit

And manage stacks of

[cerulean nest]

is venthyr the all around most beneficial covenant if i plan on hopping between all three specs?

[tacit forum]

I changed today to venthyr. Was doing Inerva and at some point I had 120ish haste

That’s crazy

[stoic needle]

Yep when thrill seeker and flag line up you get 8.3 corruption levels of haste

For a few seconds anyway

[tacit forum]

Wasn’t expecting that lol

[marsh yew]

On sludgefist if your guild lusts third pillar is it still worth it to get an extra vendetta and vendetta on pull/second pillar/last pillar or should I just use vendetta on first/third pillar so it lines up with lust?

we're killing sludgefist after the last pillar breaks usually

[balmy condor]

1/3

[marsh yew]

ty!

[balmy condor]

but also

if you're doing 4 pillars

why would you lust on 3

[marsh yew]

I have no clue

[balmy condor]

oh when you say after the last pillar breaks

is that like

right after

[marsh yew]

its like 10 seconds afterwards

[balmy condor]

oh

might be worth putting the vend on 4 then

and doing pull/2/4

and just doing an audibly large sigh

[marsh yew]

lol

[balmy condor]

whenever your raid lead calls for lust on 3

like an idiot

[marsh yew]

will do 🙂

[ancient peak]

what is the parry chance on bosses?

5%?

wrong channel mb

[magic shale]

eternal stats for assas right?

[snow surge]

Is there any macro to use Ambush on the same button as Mute during Blindside?

[safe barn]

whispyr u busy?

[dawn ivy]

!bs

[prisma monolith]

Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message

[safe barn]

or any of you tbh

[balmy condor]

whats good

[safe barn]

if anyone would check my logs to tell me what to improve i'd be grateful

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qYazTQXRdFmn3bVB/

[final star]

[somber hill]

!opener

[dawn ivy]

press buttons and you'll get it right

[somber hill]

nah just trying to see when mos ppl use lashing

flag**

like before snd or before rupture

[dawn ivy]

typically the first global after vendetta

[prisma crescent]

Press flag before you rupture

[dawn ivy]

100% after SnD, most openers ive seen use it after rupture as well but ive seen others pop vendeta and flag, and then rupture

[prisma crescent]

@somber hill are you playing MA?

the talent

[somber hill]

ya

[prisma crescent]

Mut > SnD > Mut > Garrote > Flag > Rupture > Vendetta > Shiv

[somber hill]

shiv right after ven? dont wanna put it at the end of ur builder sequence pre-vanish?

[final star]

You vanish > mut after that

To maximise MA window

[prisma crescent]

^

[somber hill]

mut-snd-mut-gar-flag-rup-ven-mut 4-shiv-van-env-mut-env is what i was thinking

slight variation w shiv placement

havent played sin much this xpac tho used to having 80% haste kek

[prisma crescent]

no you Vendetta > Shiv > Vanish and get value out of CP generation

I wanted to Vanish > Env > Mut > Env too believe me

[somber hill]

interesting

so it would go vanish mut env mut

sadge

[prisma crescent]

Correct