assassination

[vocal sierra]

For me its a reasonable Question

[stoic needle]

It should be universal. Can you post a screenshot of how it appears to you?

[vague scroll]

a friend just told me that in top logs they dont use shiv so I was wondering

but ty

[balmy condor]

Your friend didn’t look hard enough

It’s bugged to not show in casts

[vague scroll]

didnt even see logs myself maybe I should've checked before asking

[royal lantern]

shiv is not listed as cast for some reason

but its used

[balmy condor]

But if you go to damage done

It’s there

[stoic needle]

Didn't they fix it now tho

[royal lantern]

its litearlly 1 of sins most important spells

[rocky ruin]

@stoic needle

[red pagoda]

if you're at full cp with shiv ready, should you use it or not?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[limber lion]

Ye

Use Shiv on cooldown my boy

[royal lantern]

you use shiv on cd

[red pagoda]

thanks

[stoic needle]

732

[stoic needle]

I think I know what's wrong with it, give me a second

[royal lantern]

the virgin "needs a wa too keep track of bleeds" VS the Chad "knows the bleed timers and is using blizzard ui"

[onyx wind]

Maybe they are opening ambush->SnD cause they know combo points dont matter at that point

and it does more dmg?

[strange python]

[stoic needle]

imagine using blizzard ui

[worldly bridge]

do you still run Theotar for m+ in tyrannical week ? I've tried for the first time and went down from 5.7/6k overall to 4k9. Maybe its cuz it was PF, maybe its cuz i didnt play aroudn umbrella at all

[stoic needle]

personally i run nadjia on tyrannical

[limber lion]

[gusty mirage]

hey woah 😦

I use default ui

[stoic needle]

repent

[gusty mirage]

LISTEN I CAN'T USE ELV

[limber lion]

Why not

[stoic needle]

i should upload my elvui profile

[gusty mirage]

it removes shit from the unitframes that I cba to go through and undo

[limber lion]

Just download a -profile from wago

[gusty mirage]

so I'm stuck using the default blizz garbo

[worldly bridge]

im using Shadowed + Bartender + WA, u can keep it very minimalistic without much efforts

[limber lion]

What kind of shit are you talking about here?

[gusty mirage]

my elv unit frames wasn't showing all the buffs on players or bosses

[stoic needle]

go into the weakaura's trigger settings and make sure "own only" is selected

[gusty mirage]

it was fine for debuffs, but it felt like I was inting hard in arena w/ elv

might have been light & shadow or whatever that thing is called

idk

[limber lion]

Yeh just get a good profile.

The default one is awful

[gusty mirage]

it really is

[stoic needle]

and make sure that the text in the display section of the WA settings says %1.matchcount

[gusty mirage]

I tried using "moveanything" w/ it to move that obnoxious objectives bar and apparently its like 16 elements in the default blizz UI

I should sit down and build an elv from ground up, I like their raid frames better than default ones

[stoic needle]

who wants this sexy ass elvui profile

[onyx wind]

but is there really 0 logic behind opening ambush if you SnD anyway

since the amount of combo points doesnt matter

[sinful fable]

@stoic needle do you have a plater profile? 😮

[vocal sierra]

Another Question i have, is MA equal to Zoldyck's, also is it practical usable or more Zoldyck Way

[sleek sparrow]

Vertical timers

[gusty mirage]

this man told me to repent

and he has a vertical timers addon

smh

[rocky ruin]

@stoic needle it says but still doesnt work

[stoic needle]

if you honestly think that the default bar timers are better than vertical timers you need help

[stoic needle]

[grim tangle]

I don't look at timers either way

[balmy condor]

boy ya fucking timers clipping through the boss frames

[onyx wind]

better UI wins 😎

[stoic needle]

@rocky ruin https://wago.io/WULju2fnt i just re-exported the local version onto the website. try re-importing it from wago.io and see if that fixes it

[stoic needle]

i know i fixed it after i took that screenshot

[gusty mirage]

@stoic needle I don't need your plater profile sir, I have my OWN

[rocky ruin]

@stoic needle nope

[balmy condor]

[stoic needle]

https://wago.io/0xB3yNIxB

[limber lion]

Tragic

[balmy condor]

holy what the fuck is that

[stoic needle]

lord have mercy father in heaven

[gusty mirage]

I used it to track ruptures on targets in m+ in BFA

LEAVE ME ALONE

[balmy condor]

BRO

[stoic needle]

but there's so much shit you dont need in there

and there's double timers like what

[balmy condor]

THAT SHIT IS LITERALLY GROWING TUMORS

[gusty mirage]

I need all of those

😠

[onyx wind]

AAAAAAAAAAAAA

WHAT IS THAT

[limber lion]

You have iron wire both on your plater debuffs and with BigDebuffs

bro

[gusty mirage]

yeah bigdebuffs was a new addition LUL

[balmy condor]

and the fucking text is doubling up

how do you not jump off a bridge

[limber lion]

let's just fill the screen with as much pointless shit as possible

[balmy condor]

the mental fortitude

is impressive

[gusty mirage]

I deal with a bunch of pointless shit every day at work

I like to carry it over into wow

[onyx wind]

Kinda dont like stacked nameplates

[gusty mirage]

my plater stopped stacking properly like 6 months ago

[limber lion]

A bit of a must for Assa tbh

[gusty mirage]

and I haven't been bothered fixing it

[limber lion]

If we didn't care about target swapping/multi dotting it would be whatever

[solar flicker]

[onyx wind]

wait

isnt stacking when theyre on top of eachother

[stoic needle]

you dont need iron wire or phial duration on there smdh

[gusty mirage]

you can shake that head as much as you want mr. vertical timer bar

[stoic needle]

did you delete it before reimporting?

IMAGINE

TALKING SHIT ABOUT VERTICAL TIMER BARS

[balmy condor]

or crippling tbh

[stoic needle]

WHEN U HAVE DOUBLE TIMER NUMBERS ON EVERYTHING

[gusty mirage]

You're talking shit about a profile that hasn't been touched since 8.2

[limber lion]

https://gyazo.com/a21e9dc29cd3f86fa3b643a6fe3cffa7

[gusty mirage]

but yours is up to date with the vertical bars

[onyx wind]

yea ok

[stoic needle]

i think crippling is useful just in case theres a pesky mob that isnt' crippled so you can make sure that they stack properly

[limber lion]

Overlapping nameplates are when they're on top of each other

[stoic needle]

explain to me why vertical bars are bad

[onyx wind]

So i like stacked nameplates is what i meant :)

[rocky ruin]

@stoic needle yea i deleted it

[limber lion]

Hell yeah, stacked nameplates gang

[gusty mirage]

now I'm going to spend 3 hours updating my plater profile

THANKS GUYS

[tepid copper]

I am really enjoying playing Assa, I have MA and Doomblade both on 210, for M+ is it worth crafting Zoldyck or should I just stick with MA?

[limber lion]

Just steal someone's profile ez

[gusty mirage]

tru

but I'm overtly critical of others' profiles

[honest lake]

Can u share ut elv profile too?

[onyx wind]

You can also just use kui nameplates

[stoic needle]

this is how mine looks right now. i'm suprised yours is so different. what do the text settings look like

[warm parcel]

Actually good point about meaningless openers @balmy condor

Why not ambush first if snd cps are whatever

[onyx wind]

Dont expose me for having a good point...

[balmy condor]

yeh probably better for that 1 exact gcd

[warm parcel]

I know

Hence the meaningless

[rocky ruin]

@stoic needle Glow and Model arent enable through important

[balmy condor]

I'm doing opener optimizations for seli today

so you're getting a copy too

[onyx wind]

Now u guys can stop flaming the chinese and korean rogues :(

[warm parcel]

Im ahead yall

[rocky ruin]

@stoic needle and i dont know if nameplate have something do with it

[limber lion]

pls gibe

[stoic needle]

well yeah the glow and model shouldn't be enabled by default, they get turned on by the conditions

but the number for the model is there at least?

[sinful fable]

okay so, after importing oshosi's weakauras + plater profile, suddenly I have this in the middle of my screen:

no idea where this came from

[hollow jungle]

it's standard blizz UI

[subtle kiln]

get the DB dot flowing

[honest lake]

There is a good sin m+ youtuber?

[sinful fable]

and why isnt it hidden LOL? what suddenly enabled it

[hollow jungle]

couldn't tell ya, just turn it off in interface

[stoic needle]

It's the personal resource display

That's what's in the middle of my scream

All of my weakaura are attached to it

But I have other versions in the pack that don't use it

[rocky ruin]

@stoic needle yea but they wont show at 1 garrote or rupture

[sinful fable]

oh I must have missed that package

[stoic needle]

You can disable it in the 'personal bar' section of plater

[onyx wind]

What is the point of counting ruptures/garrotes

[warm parcel]

db?

[limber lion]

Doomblade

[stoic needle]

To know when to switch to envenoms

[warm parcel]

doomblade users

[limber lion]

Yeah, imagine getting baited to use Doomblade by Whispyr

[rocky ruin]

@stoic needle and the trigger are both nameplate?

[stoic needle]

Imagine using dashing sc oundrel

[stoic needle]

Yes

[subtle kiln]

are you still stuck on warrior? 🏝

[warm parcel]

dno tiers half a year away

[subtle kiln]

are you all doing reclears for sales now, or just afk

[warm parcel]

we just selling

[stoic needle]

send me what this part of the wa settings looks like for you

[onyx wind]

Even with a full mut crit and full duration, an ambush crit does more

[stoic needle]

if you want the timers for dots and for cooldowns without using the PRD you want these auras https://wago.io/Lp33X6aon https://wago.io/gMrDolFWA

[onyx wind]

full duration on DB bleed i mean

[rocky ruin]

@stoic needle everything look exactly like yours. Iemme you use plater profil

[stoic needle]

as long as you have nameplates enabled it should work though, i dont think havingmy platere profile loaded is a requirement

[rocky ruin]

@stoic needle it works only with your plater i just tested it

[worldly bridge]

what is that boss spell display it looks good

[gusty mirage]

added phial and ironwire to blacklist and they're still showing up

[worldly bridge]

is it nathria WA with custom setup ?

[balmy condor]

https://wago.io/B1pfxTOtb

[worldly bridge]

thx

[stoic needle]

that one is bugged af

use this one @worldly bridge https://wago.io/zyj7VIgZ6

[balmy condor]

works perfectly fine for me

[stoic needle]

it gives me dozens of errors

[thorn turtle]

why does heroic sire pug feels like

[balmy condor]

[stoic needle]

huh that's really weird

[thorn turtle]

punching urself in the nuts

[fleet anchor]

Hard to say if that would come out ahead or not tbh. Ambush has been struggling for Assassination because of poisons too

[warm parcel]

But mut out of stealth doesnt even proc IP

So can mut ever even double proc?

[stoic needle]

what plater profile were you using before? maybe there was some setting in it that was preventing it from working

mut has 100% chance to apply poisons from stealth i think now right?

[limber lion]

Also has a chance to trigger Blindside

[stoic needle]

so wouldnt the first hand of mut apply, then the 2nd hand proc?

[fleet anchor]

I hope so, otherwise Double Dose would have never worked 😄

[warm parcel]

I mean at least with the perk it cannot

[primal zinc]

guys @limber lion @stoic needle dunno whats worse...beiung sad or mad...or both at the same time.....2 days now im getting rejected to guilds....all of them have the same excuse....great logs but we reqruit dps with utility

[stoic needle]

absolutely blasting the boss is utility 😦

[limber lion]

That's the life of a rogue. But 2 days is nothing when it comes to finding a guild. Just keep at it.

[subtle kiln]

just not the right fit. keep looking.

[stoic needle]

my trial yesterday ended after 5 pulls on sun king because they couldn't fill the group

[fleet anchor]

Yes I mean, this is all with the theory that Improved Poisons isn't a buggy pos but since they seem incapable of making it work right it may be worth looking into in the meantime

[stoic needle]

i'm doing some unscientific testing on a dummy and muts from stealth don't seem to apply + proc at the same time

[rocky ruin]

@stoic needle im using plater profile from someone and im checking both setting if there is any different i mean i would use your too but the personal bar
is kinda in the way and so

[warm parcel]

Attacking out of stealth does apply both poisons at 100% but muti wont proc IP

So who knows

[fleet anchor]

Improved Poisons only started working with FoK with the 9.0.5 patch

[stoic needle]

you can just disable the personal bar

[fleet anchor]

Most of SL and all of beta it never worked properly

So I think they are just strugglebussing with it

[warm parcel]

lol

[fleet anchor]

Like it literally did nothing all of beta

I didn't think to check if they failed to fix it with Mutilate with the patch

[stoic needle]

just uncheck all of the settings on the left, or disable the personal bar in the blizzard settings menu

[rocky ruin]

@stoic needle okay the personal bar allow the function of the bleed tracker

[stoic needle]

lmao what in the world

[stoic needle]

in the overall group settings, make sure that the position settings look like this

anchored to screen/parent group instead of PRD

[shy axle]

do you strictly pool to 90 energy before you evenom when out of vend/shiv or do you just spamm and pool for a shiv window

or is there like little to none difference

[balmy condor]

you pool before envenom out of vend/shiv

yep

[rocky ruin]

@stoic needle ahh finally it work

[shy axle]

like 90 or what is your breakpoint?

[carmine nest]

How is assassination in pve now? I'm usually near top of the charts as Outlaw, but much prefer Assassination as a spec. Is it catching up to Outlaw finally?

[stoic needle]

hooray! sorry it wasn't working right before lol i think i figured out what it is.

[balmy condor]

as high as possible without overcapping

[balmy condor]

crushing in single target

losese in cleave

cause it's fucking outlaw

and outlaw will never lose

[stoic needle]

i wish i knew how to make menus in WAs so that I could make these settings easier to change

[gusty mirage]

I figured it out boys

the plater profile no longer tracks everything under the sun, including my trinkets

[shy axle]

So i got gar and rupture up, got 5 cp and just wait til max, evenom - mut mut asap, wait till max energie - env etc? or am i overlooking something

even during vendetta or all out during ved?

[balmy condor]

"you pool before envenom out of vend/shiv"

so during vend/shiv

you do not pool

[shy axle]

yeah my bad, thanks mate

[balmy condor]

np

[carmine nest]

Guess I'll have to wait until next tier. Too many cleave and AoE fights this tier.

[stoic needle]

not really tbh. outlaw only particularly wins on sun king and generals

every other fight sin is equivalent or better

sin has better 2 target cleave but loses on 3

and outlaw is dogshit at breaking shields which are what matter on sun king

the adds on council are basically padding at this point

[carmine nest]

Fair. I've been playing around with it in raid finder and normal raids when my dps isn't as important. Heroic I just feel to much pressure to play the class I have so much success with rn. But I really want to switch back to my beloved Assassin spec

[stoic needle]

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-what-are-you-waiting-for-determined-angry-gif-5247874

[peak sandal]

Good afternoon gamers

[fleet anchor]

Hmm I wonder if this is just a raid bug?

[peak sandal]

[fleet anchor]

I tested on a dummy just now a couple times

And Mutilate worked fine

Out of Stealth

[stoic needle]

hmmmmm

how do you get the refreshed text in the combat log

[fleet anchor]

I think it's basically just the direct that can't apply by the looks of it

Funky

[stoic needle]

seriously though, assassination is more than fine for heroic

[fleet anchor]

I'm guessing when they fixed Improved Poisons Rank 2 they didn't test this

Since they only cared about the periodic debuff showing up on nameplates

[warm parcel]

Thats what I mean

It wont proc IP

Dp applies just fine

[fleet anchor]

I mean you still indirectly get one extra DP hit "eventually" by process of shifting it up one

But yeah

[ionic flume]

sin good now?

[fleet anchor]

Not as strong as it could be since it should be two

[balmy condor]

@warm parcel the ambush from stealth still looks bad

[gray sleet]

Hello been reading some guides, but i'm not quite sure. How is our play style now?

and what stats

[charred mango]

anyone know how to get details to not reset the meters when you vanish burst on a target dummy? its hard to get an accurate reading

[gray sleet]

are we using?

What are our main stats?

[charred mango]

Agility -Haste-Crit

[loud silo]

check the pins

or sim

[gray sleet]

What do oyu guys prefer?

Zoldyck

or MA?

[loud silo]

neither

[sharp pawn]

mythic lady inverva. how do i aoe this boss

CT maybe?

[silent fossil]

inerva isn't an aoe boss

[gray sleet]

What do you use?

[sharp pawn]

or do i just rupture garrote

[loud silo]

doomblade

yes

[gray sleet]

Even for m+?

[loud silo]

i just change to outlaw lmao

[gray sleet]

I want to play it in M+

[loud silo]

probs MA or zold then

[limber lion]

Zoldyck for m+

[fleet anchor]

Oh btw @balmy condor you'll be happy to know

[gray sleet]

And how do you play around with MA?

[fleet anchor]

With Doomblade your dream of ignoring the Sepsis Ambush has finally come true

[balmy condor]

git fked idiots

at long last the battle is won

[signal gulch]

[fleet anchor]

A mighty 0.3% gain, yuge

[ebon patio]

hey (Stupid me was writing on disc instead of the party chat)

[fleet anchor]

Anything to talk me out of going Venthyr I guess

[balmy condor]

well that's 0.3% on top of 0.4% and 0.3% perviously

[ebon bramble]

go necro

[balmy condor]

so we're at 1%

on ambush changes

we take those

[fleet anchor]

Necro is probably most likely tbh

If I swap

[ebon bramble]

isnt necro best for outlaw. anyways?

so best of both worlds

[fleet anchor]

I think there are enough potential SBS optimizations combined with it being much better for Outlaw

[loud silo]

only for aoe

[stoic needle]

garotte +rupture the large add, low cp rupture the small add, tunnel inerva. if your dps is actually needed for the large one i'd swap to that one but the small one should die pretty quick

[fleet anchor]

We're already working on like nearly a 1% SBS optimization for ST Outlaw

[ebon bramble]

i mean assassination's weakness is aoe. soooo going necro helps with that

[fleet anchor]

Probably some similar things to be had for Assassination

[loud silo]

but outlaw does good aoe without SBS

[balmy condor]

secrets

[loud silo]

you can play whatever you like still

[fleet anchor]

I'm still waiting it out

I really don't want to swap

It's a pain in the ass

[loud silo]

I was really considering going necro but cbf swapping again

[stoic needle]

venthyr forever

[limber lion]

It's not that bad

[fleet anchor]

Which part?

[stoic needle]

[ebon bramble]

cbf swapping?

[tacit forum]

[stoic needle]

i've gotten most of my renown from 1 lfr clear, 1 heroic clear and just doing the keys i'd normally do

i didn't have to work hard for it

[ebon bramble]

how big a gain does necro get in aoe? 2-3%?

[fleet anchor]

Honestly I just cba to farm the anima for all the upgrades again and give up my level 50 follower army I use to farm mats and runes 😛

[ebon bramble]

bone spike just seems so good specially when adds die

[limber lion]

Well I personally only care for the renown, dgaf about the anima upgrades and you can easily max out renown in a few days

Yeah that's the thing, if you care about that it is a massive pain in the ass for sure

[fleet anchor]

The swapping itself is not too bad I agree

It's all the other stuff that is annoying

[limber lion]

Starting Mission Table from scratch is a big

[loud silo]

Well I swapped from NF to venthyr and just dont want to start from scratch with my covenant

[stoic needle]

the only thing i'm dreading farming is the transport network for the oribos portal

[ebon bramble]

lol true

[stoic needle]

but yeah mission table from scratch does suck. I'm lucky that I was venthyr once already

rip the 10k anima i accidentially left as NF lmao

[fleet anchor]

I mean it's not like I'm gonna do "bad" damage as NF

It's just kinda feelsbad

[limber lion]

Best signature ability tho

[gusty mirage]

I actually have so much anima right now, cuz I made sure to take my 10k with me

[limber lion]

So, yay?

[gusty mirage]

and I had like 6k before I left venthyr

[fleet anchor]

I did my first Heroic clear as Assassination last night during a sales run

[onyx wind]

So its mut out of stealth better than ambush?

[white kettle]

Sin is pretty nice in raid now which is awesome

[fleet anchor]

And NF felt fine

But yeah, it's no question I'd do more damage as Venthyr

[onyx wind]

Why is it better

[stoic needle]

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[onyx wind]

Because ive been hitting dummy for 30 minutes and it never does more dmg

[white kettle]

Speaking of that, do the conduits change since the flag buff or just the same

[onyx wind]

Even with doomblade

[limber lion]

It's such a good balanced covenant. You have Soulshape (which is op), you don't get cucked by mechanics/downtime and Sepsis is pretty much just fire and forget

[fleet anchor]

Didn't quite get up to Ceverion all-star standards but fairly close 😄

[royal shale]

What's our st opener?

[onyx wind]

Ambush SnD Mut :)

:)) ) ) )

[fleet anchor]

If a buyer hadn't have murdered me on Sludgefist I would have had a shot lol

[limber lion]

That's the Venthyr - NF gap /s

[loud silo]

no?

[fleet anchor]

Ended up All-star R27

Which isn't too bad

[limber lion]

That's still great

[loud silo]

Mut-SnD-Mut

[fleet anchor]

With a meh Sludgefist, so dropped like 10 points there

[onyx wind]

But how is ambush not better

[loud silo]

!ambush

[prisma monolith]

Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message

[loud silo]

woops thats not the right one

[onyx wind]

Because there is 1 more chance to proc a poison that deals 100 dmg?

[fleet anchor]

Could easily get up to like top-15 with a better Sludge parse

But Sludge is way easier as Venthyr

[loud silo]

poison procs plus extra cp generation

[onyx wind]

cp generation doesnt matter

its SnD

XD

[loud silo]

yes it does

[stoic needle]

yes it does

[onyx wind]

it doesnt

[stoic needle]

yes it does

[onyx wind]

you always refresh it

every single time

[loud silo]

are you high?

[onyx wind]

????

[stoic needle]

you aren't always using snd after mutilate

after vanish for example

[onyx wind]

im talking opener

[limber lion]

There's 22k parses on HC. We're only the 7th least played spec in heroic, we're climbing boys!

[static wadi]

How does DS alter you opener i mostly cant press flag after garrote cuz of no Energy ( have 25% haste)

[fleet anchor]

I would say it does still matter somewhat because it takes a while to settle into using Envenom even from the initial

[stoic needle]

also, with blindside mutilate is 1/3 of an ambush

[fleet anchor]

You don't really want to risk your first SnD dropping early

[onyx wind]

im not talking about blindside

[stoic needle]

because of the chance to get a blindside proc

[onyx wind]

im just talking about the first global out of stealth on a boss

[stoic needle]

yes

that mut could give you blindside

[onyx wind]

thats the best argument yet

[stoic needle]

it's all of those things combined

[onyx wind]

go IG without blindside its not worth+

[limber lion]

I tried the gar - snd opener with Subt and it's not a fun time when you're 1gcd away from refreshing SND

[stoic needle]

it's not worth even without blindside

[onyx wind]

based on what

[limber lion]

Then you're forced to SnD instead of Envenom

[stoic needle]

everything we just said combined lmao

[onyx wind]

combo points dont matter

[stoic needle]

that's objectively incorrect

[fleet anchor]

Also

[onyx wind]

????

HOW

[fleet anchor]

Also I tested using SnD with various number of CP initially

[loud silo]

combo points dont matter - in a rogue discord

kekw

[onyx wind]

When do you ever not refresh it

[stoic needle]

because? your snd can fall off before you get to envenom

[fleet anchor]

And 3+ simmed the best by a notable amount compared to 2+

[onyx wind]

Are you not using envenom for 15 seconds?

[fleet anchor]

And Ambush will sometimes only give you 2 CP

[stoic needle]

especially with deeper strat

[onyx wind]

But SnD never falls off anyway

so i dont understand the difference

[stoic needle]

but it can

[fleet anchor]

Since you wanna do your initial SnD with 3+ CP, using Mutilate is just safer

[limber lion]

That's interesting. Why would that be? Don't you still have it up 24/7 even with 2cp?

[onyx wind]

bro

[fleet anchor]

I think it's just timing edge cases

[onyx wind]

are u trolling

no way u dont envenom within 18 seconds XDDDDDDDD

[stoic needle]

the damage difference between mutilate and ambush is not enough to make up for 1. the extra cp, 2. the extra poison proc 3. the chance ofa blindside proc

[loud silo]

the less cp you spend on the less chance of getting alacrity stacks

and you NEED those stacks

[onyx wind]

that makes sense yeah

[fleet anchor]

Using Envenom once doesn't magically give you infinite SnD though

[onyx wind]

for alacrity sure

[fleet anchor]

You can still end up in a duration deficit especially in cleave

[loud silo]

theres multiple reasons as to why you do it

[fleet anchor]

If you are applying Ruptures

[onyx wind]

do you know how much damage a poison proc does?

[stoic needle]

over 500? wdym

[onyx wind]

go hit a dummy and respond back soon

[fleet anchor]

But yes I think someone mentioned above but there are a couple factors

[onyx wind]

alacrity/blindside are fair arguments

[ebon bramble]

damn necrolord is better than venthyr for everything not single target 😮

[stoic needle]

are you not understanding that it's ALL of those things

not just one single thing

[onyx wind]

im not saying its a single thing

[stoic needle]

so then why are you so pressed about the damage that IP does

[balmy condor]

I also found this, looking at openers atm

[fleet anchor]

1. It gets DP up immediately
2. Doomblade increases the DPET of Mutilate
3. Every Mutilate you cast is basically a 20% chance of gaining 50 Energy and while this is abstract, it is a factor

[limber lion]

Yeah makes sense. I still feel so weird about 3T openers. It's just so

[wet zealot]

can anyone tell me the ST opener cant see a pin maybe im just blind 😄

[fleet anchor]

Like basically you can assume if you have Blindside that every Mutilate only costs 40 energy and does 1/5th of an Ambush extra damage for free

[loud silo]

4. Alacrity stack

[onyx wind]

You dont get a tick of DP before the 2nd envenom

2nd mut *

sry

[limber lion]

Single target with the Master Assassin talent:
Muti - SnD - Muti - Gar - Flag - Rup - Vend - Shiv - Vanish - Muti - Env - Muti (until 5-6 cp) - Env, etc.

You can refer to !guide for more info

[loud silo]

Why spend on 3 for a 60% chance when you can spend on 4 for a 80%

[onyx wind]

idk how it works with refreshing and stuff

[fleet anchor]

It still puts up the DoT immediately

It's marginal but something

[onyx wind]

Alacrity and blindside are fair arguments

[fleet anchor]

But really the Blindside indirect argument is just the main one people miss because it's abstract

[onyx wind]

Yea

[fleet anchor]

You just have to add 10 Energy + 1/5th of Ambush damage to every Mutilate in an abstract sense

When you're thinking about it

[limber lion]

And also 1/5th of Ambush's combo points

[loud silo]

Kojiyama's brain is actually massive

[stoic needle]

the thing is that ambush just doesn't do enough damage

if it was like 2x the damage it did it might be better to ambush from stealth

[fleet anchor]

The sad part was Ambush was buffed a LOT

And still isn't good enough lol

[onyx wind]

Ambush deals more than mut with DP

[subtle kiln]

it’s noticeably better. still poop

[onyx wind]

even with a full dot

thats why i thought there must be other factors

[limber lion]

They must have giga-nerfed it at some point, because I remember in Cataclysm I was one-shotting people in Arena with double-Ambush

[fleet anchor]

I mean I think they missed a trick a little bit by like not including Ambush on Doomblade for example

I think they should have tbh

[balmy condor]

it wasn't even in the game for the last 2 expansions

[limber lion]

wait am I a dumbo

[onyx wind]

atleast they fixed ambush tooltip

[fleet anchor]

Hey hey you could Vanish Ambush on Outlaw for a 0.1% DPS gain

[onyx wind]

wait they mustve fixed it in the last 3 days or smth

i remember checking not long ago and it was still bugged

[limber lion]

Yeah, it was in Cataclysm

[fleet anchor]

Honestly if it weren't for Count the Odds not sure Outlaw would Ambush much atm either

[subtle kiln]

now you vanish ambush for a possible buff.

[limber lion]

It was removed from the game

[fleet anchor]

Ambush just doesn't quite do enough

[limber lion]

Probably misinterpreted what you meant

[onyx wind]

I think ambush might have a case if we swap to EP

on the opener atleast

[drifting light]

It all comes to show how flawed assass spec design in my opinion... when mut is the preferred opener and cut to the chase is a passive so u can ignore an active ability. Sure, it feels much better than 9.0, but from a design perspective it is so fucked up

[fleet anchor]

Like I don't quite understand why Ambush isn't added to things like Venom Rush

[onyx wind]

hard agree

[fleet anchor]

They just forget about it a lot

[loud silo]

I personally dont like using a global on SnD

So im fine with Cttc

[onyx wind]

I dont like using a global and 5 cp on SnD

[limber lion]

It's just added flavor, like Shiv for Outlaw.

Unpruning-shenanigans

[fleet anchor]

Yeah that's true to some degree

[grizzled orbit]

I’m constantly being reminded that I need to soothe now, so shiv has its place. Lol

[fleet anchor]

It goes back to BfA though where like

Blindside was poor because it lacked synergy

[onyx wind]

I hold shiv for soothe in m+ :)

[fleet anchor]

Didn't work with Double Dose for example

[stoic needle]

SnD was just added to appease classic boomers with 0 thought to how to make it actually good for each spec

[onyx wind]

blindside is really fun to play with tho

it makes the spec a lot less dull

[stoic needle]

blindside with deeper strat is

[fleet anchor]

I still don't get why SnD R2 was removed in the patch though

[stoic needle]

we'd be doing even more damage with r2 wouldn't we

[drifting light]

Yeah, I hate it. Wanna unprune class fantasy? Gimme pve smokebomb, preparation, not a failed mechanic but meh

[fleet anchor]

Seems like the most pointless change

At least kinda made SnD feel like something

Now it's just an icon

[loud silo]

Because why make a spec overtuned like boomy and affi lock when you can just make it okay

[stoic needle]

with 10% energy on top of the VW buff i feel like wed be simming over 7.5k wouldn't we

[limber lion]

Not sure why they'd rather buff VW and make SnD feel bad to press again.

[stoic needle]

like shadowpriest level

[fleet anchor]

Well they wouldn't have done the VW thing

[drifting light]

And man when I dont have shiv up for soothe cause I used on my rotation, it feels bad. Or maybe I’m bad for not saving it

[fleet anchor]

Those changes were just neutral because we QQ'd

They almost didn't do the VW change 😛

[onyx wind]

Phial is so buggy man

like SnD procs phial

[limber lion]

Maybe they thought that SnD would give too much value as an ability that you press once in a fight

But then again, VW is a passive.

[fleet anchor]

Any melee yellow ability procs Phial

[limber lion]

So like

wat

[stoic needle]

maybe there's a chance that SND will do new things with newer conduits and stuff

[fleet anchor]

Poison procs proc Phial

😛

[onyx wind]

Ohh

So thats why its a banger trinket

cause we basically proc it instantly off cd

since dual wield+SnD+poisons

[fleet anchor]

I mean technically the VW and SnD change is neutral although I do think putting more on VW still leads to some starvation issues if you get caught out without DoTs up

[stoic needle]

It also snapshots

[fleet anchor]

Like sometimes if you triple Garrote and don't plan your DoT refreshes correctly

You can get starved

And that's no fun

VW is a fine mechanic but it's a little too feast or famine imo

[onyx wind]

Atleast it makes more sense thematically

[fleet anchor]

SnD R2 helped smooth out those cases a little bit

[onyx wind]

And it wont feel as bad when they prune SnD

[ebon bramble]

🤔 what covenants did ya'll choose?

[limber lion]

SnD shouldn't even be a thing.

[fleet anchor]

I mean arguing the merits of SnD is one thing, but looking at it from the perspective of it existing

[young flume]

PB or CT on sire? Imma say PB unless u wanna pad lol but im not sure

[fleet anchor]

It should do something 😄

[limber lion]

Most of us are Venthyr boys here.

[limber lion]

Definitely PB

[stoic needle]

[ebon bramble]

why venthyr? if you all dont mind me asking

[fleet anchor]

Go whatever Covenant you want that isn't Kyrian

[stoic needle]

Haste good

[fleet anchor]

😄

[stoic needle]

Flag hits like an absolute freight train

[ebon bramble]

seems like a purely single target covenant? wouldnt necrolord be more versatile?

[limber lion]

Yeah the thing about SnD is that Outlaw/Sub get value out of it because of their passives

[drifting light]

Angel rogues lol what a joke that was

[fleet anchor]

a) Because Kyrians are the bad guys
b) Because ER is not very good for Assassination

[limber lion]

Assa doesn't have any passives that revolve around melee attacks

[stoic needle]

And the boosts of haste from flag and thrill seeker make the spec have a very nice pace

[limber lion]

We don't get energy or combo points from just melee

[stoic needle]

We're kind of a single target spec though tbh

[fleet anchor]

Yeah Ceverion

[stoic needle]

We already have solid sustained aoe. What we don't have is burst aoe, and necrolord doesn't fix that

[fleet anchor]

I mean this is why the dev who added SnD R2 in beta put it in based on our feedback about the lack of energy regen from SnD compared to Outlaw/Sub

[limber lion]

It's just a really badly and lazily designed spell.

[ebon bramble]

ya but necro isnt too far behind in single target and seems to dominate multi target fights so its really good in dungeons no?

[fleet anchor]

Then another dev removed it

Because they didn't get it I guess?

[limber lion]

Yeah, and that was the perfect take imo.

[fleet anchor]

It's confusing

[limber lion]

Yeah, idk

[fleet anchor]

But whatever

[frigid kestrel]

Dat Venth Dslice sayingits BIS across the board

[fleet anchor]

Now it may as well be deleted lol

[frigid kestrel]

But... Dslice right?

[ebon bramble]

hmm i guess flag helps a bit in burst aoe does it?

[stoic needle]

Dslice is 50% single target, that's why venthyr sims well in dslice

[fleet anchor]

It's less than 50%

[drifting light]

Imagine the devs deep class design discussion a blizzard

[ebon bramble]

but look at those 3/5/8 target cleave ffights

[fleet anchor]

As far as Flag is concerned

[ebon bramble]

necro so far ahead 😮

[fleet anchor]

e.g. the boss section isn't 50%

Technically the 1T time is around 50% but that's including when stuff dies later on

[stoic needle]

No it doesn't really. There isn't anything we can do to fix that part of our spec. But venthyr is 2nd place in 5 target cleave, nearly equal to fae in 8, and is 3rd place in 3 target. But if you really need burst aoe or consistent aoe youd just go outlaw

I don't feel the need to optimize sin for aoe damage

[ebon bramble]

🤔 true

[stoic needle]

If you want to, there's nothing wrong with that. Have fun. Both covenants are valid in my opinion

[fleet anchor]

The boss section is the first 2 minutes of the sim, add waves are the next 4 minutes

So one third of DS is boss

[ebon bramble]

feels like necro is the more versatile choice

[fleet anchor]

Ironically Necro doesn't actually add that much AoE damage

[stoic needle]

Tbh fae would be the most versatile choice

[fleet anchor]

They didn't buff the DoT, they buffed the DD part

Most of the gain for Necro in dungeons is just sniping kill resets on the Direct Damage part

Not the DoT

[stoic needle]

Yeah this is mostly what I was referring to

[fleet anchor]

In that sense, Necro really doesn't help with AoE damage all that much

For Assassination

It helps for Outlaw because the DD part Blade Flurries

[gritty mason]

as venthyr when i sim myself for covenant tree all guides i read say dauntless duelist but that sims 300 dps less then going potency conduit ? are sims correct?

[fleet anchor]

For Assassination it's just funnel damage

[balmy condor]

link the sim, 300 dps is equal to like not picking dauntless at all

[fleet anchor]

The reality is nothing is gonna make Assassination do amazing AoE damage, there just is nothing like Echoing Blades available atm to facilitate that

[ebon bramble]

really? 🤔

[fleet anchor]

Yeah I mean if the DoT was good, Necro would have already been good 😛

They didn't buff the DoT at all

[limber lion]

@fleet anchor Do you think DSlice is a good way to sim yourself for M+ in SL? Because I remember it being awful in BFA because BFA dungeons had so many variables with corruption, giga-pulls etc. I already asked Whispyr about it and he said that it's a pretty good representation on how dungeons in SL work. Wanted to hear your take on it

[loud light]

single target ability doesn't add aoe damage, math checks out

[fleet anchor]

I think DSlice is not perfect but currently the best tool we have for weighting gear/talent choices for a varied environment

[ebon bramble]

necrolord really good for SLG tho 🤣

[fleet anchor]

I do have it on my to-do list to do a statistical analysis of WCL dungeon breakdowns for SL though and see what it is looking like

[stoic needle]

It would be great if we could get some control over the number of adds and variance of the wave sizes to simulate larger pulls within raidbots instead of having to run those sims locally

[fleet anchor]

But I think for any practical purpose it's close enough to give good recommendations

Generally speaking changing the add counts or durations actually doesn't change much

In terms of weighting of gear/talents

If at all

[stoic needle]

I feel like it might change the ranking of some of the legendaries

[loud light]

you'd need a much more complicated APL if you wanted it to do something "smart" about upcoming pulls or something

[fleet anchor]

There are cases where some specs have complained about it in particular because they had some 2T vs. 3T edge cases on their abilities

[loud light]

on top of a new fight style

[stoic needle]

I'd be very surprised if doomblade simmed the same in dslice if the upper bounds of the pull sizes was expanded

[fleet anchor]

Like Primal Primer for Enhance in BfA

But funny enough

DungeonSlice full combo sims for Enhance right now

Recommend exactly the same talents and legendary that every Enhance player including Wordup uses in dungeons

So I'm pretty safe to say it generally works fine for that purpose 😛

[final star]

Does nightstalker apply to crimson tempest when used from stealth?

[balmy condor]

yes

[final star]

Cool ty

[stoic needle]

Honestly though, using doomblade in dungeons this week it's been pretty great

[final star]

Thogght it would have that interaction

[static wadi]

Can someone tell me the opener with DS ?

[stoic needle]

Though I've done nothing but top and plaguefall

[final star]

Same as ruoute

Rupture

[frigid kestrel]

Get ya Phial?

[balmy condor]

literally the same, read a guide

[proper nest]

is necro any good for raiding as assa ? atm i'm a main outlaw but i see assa is getting beter and beter on ST would you recommand going venthry for progress or wouldn't it matter that much ?

[static wadi]

Wierd cuz after the garrote i dont have enough energy for Flag

[balmy condor]

probably won't matter

[balmy condor]

yes that's normal

[final star]

Sims assume lust on pull usually

Which is enough energy

[limber lion]

Yeah, makes sense. That's good to hear. I'm glad we don't have to sim 8T 20s fights and ST fights anymore, and then compare the two and freeball it depending on what you want more, ST or AoE.

[stoic needle]

Yezzir

[frigid kestrel]

Flag is free isn’t it?

[balmy condor]

not having energy is how sin works

[final star]

I just belf usually

[stoic needle]

Arcane torrent is so sick

[ebon bramble]

damn 8 target 5min sustained fight. has that ever existed?

[final star]

Yeah for an energy hungry spec like assassination it's clutch sometimes

[fleet anchor]

I mean at least for my gear, DSlice recommends Doomblade for me just barely probably due to ilevel since I made it at R4 compared to R3 Zoldyck..

[stoic needle]

I was like '15 energy, that's nothing." But then I realized it's a gcd of energy regen too

[fleet anchor]

But they are within like

0.6%

[ebon bramble]

well 15 energy is pretty good for generating 3 combo pts tho

[brittle pawn]

Not being ugly is sicker

[final star]

Dslice for me is MA cos my doomblade is 210

🙄

As well as MA being a better statted ring for me

[fleet anchor]

I think probably MA/Doomblade/Zoldyck are just all gonna be "whatever" tbh

[limber lion]

I like the MA gameplay in M+. I don't mind it.

[fleet anchor]

They are all really close

[stoic needle]

I think it really depends on the dungeon. There are several ones that lend very well to Doomblade's damage profile with dangerous mobs that need to get blasted

[final star]

And having vers haste 226gloves with a socket

[limber lion]

A lot of people here talk smack about MA in M+ because it feels bad having to reapply garrotes during the crit window

[brittle pawn]

Gloves don't have socket

[limber lion]

But it's so good on ST and big targets

[fleet anchor]

At least close enough that it's probably just a decision to make

[final star]

I use nightstalker

[fleet anchor]

Anything like sub-1% is just whatever you are gonna be able to play better than the other

[final star]

Nightstalker actually sims higher for me than subterfuge with MA specifically

[limber lion]

The best kind

[fleet anchor]

Since ultimately your ability to play things correctly

Is gonna be worth more than 1%

[limber lion]

Big reason why I don't touch MFD in M+.

[stoic needle]

If you think I'm ugly you're just wrong and I'm not sorry

[limber lion]

Screw that

[final star]

MfD is so pog tier

[stoic needle]

I was talking about arcane torrent

[final star]

I prefer it in m+

Smoothes out a lot of aoe

[unreal fern]

do u guys use 2x shadowcore oil?

[fleet anchor]

Man it's too bad we don't have Roll like Monks. Then you wouldn't even need to attack with your weapon.

[limber lion]

It takes so much more work to pull off properly and even then it's not guaranteed that you actually get max value out of it

[ebon bramble]

oh lolz

btw, does bone spike stack on a single target?

[fleet anchor]

I actually like MfD but I've played with it on Outlaw for a long time so have a lot of practice

[balmy condor]

in terms of the dot, no

[stoic needle]

Maybe it's different for sin vs law, but I was under the impression that just using mfd on CD is enough for it to be good

[balmy condor]

it just gives you an extra cp

[brittle pawn]

Way more forgiving on ol

[neon stone]

I tried a new ui hoping to play better as outlaw, failed miserably i will go as assa to m+ :(

[final star]

This

[stoic needle]

You don't need to get every single reset for mfd to be good

[drifting light]

This

[final star]

Outlaw rn and not home, but I like it

[limber lion]

I've never really played Outlaw properly so I don't have much practice with MFD. But I guess practice makes perfect.

[stoic needle]

Honestly it's just weakauras

[limber lion]

If it starts to sim crazy high compared to Vig/DS, then I'll do the jump for sure.

[stoic needle]

I have one that plays a noise every time it recharges

[brittle pawn]

Non undead rogues

[stoic needle]

Hear noise, press button

Ez

Imagine

Playing undead

In current year

[fleet anchor]

I mean the real 200 IQ thing is to attach an icon to your nameplates on targets that are low health and just have a mouseover macro

[wanton comet]

does anyone have a macro for mutilate shift mod into ambush ?

[fleet anchor]

When you get used to it, it's pretty straightforward

[final star]

Just make a bind for 1 and bind for shift 1

Why tf u need a macro for that

[static wadi]

I just love everything about my transmog can relate

[raven hollow]

dunno what Im doing with DS in Sin...is it ok if im finishing on 5 cps if im gonna be overcapping?

[fleet anchor]

I use a macro to save the slot

[balmy condor]

you finish on 5 with deeper

[final star]

Saving a slot of your hidden bars

[fleet anchor]

#showtooltip
/cast [mod:alt] Ambush; Mutilate 

Is all I do

[limber lion]

Yeah, might have to give it a proper try sometime.

[fleet anchor]

Then I just have Mutilate on 3 and Ambush on Alt-3 which is easy for me to hit when I need to on procs

[fluid dust]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[fleet anchor]

Saves me a shift bind on my bars

[final star]

Mut on 1,ambush in s1

[limber lion]

I've had SnD on 3 for the whole of the expansion

But now that you press it once during an encounter

ehhh

3 is maybe too good of a bind for that

[final star]

Snd on 4 for me

For all specs

[fleet anchor]

Yeah I would demote it 😄

I have SnD on Shift-5 atm

[final star]

Since I still actively play outlaw

[balmy condor]

its always been on shift E for me

I was ahead of my time

[final star]

Don't wanna have diff binds for same ability

Shift E is my combat pot

[fleet anchor]

I mean even for Outlaw you only cast SnD like

3-4 times per fight

[final star]

I play it in m+

[fleet anchor]

That's why I put it out of the way

[final star]

It's a bit more than 3-4 times

[limber lion]

Yeh def will throw it to a less useful bind

[final star]

Been enjoying assassination on tyrannical though

[final star]

The damage compared to outlaw is really great

[fleet anchor]

That's my bind layout atm

[limber lion]

I have a friend who mains Paladin and he has Divine Shield on Shift + 8

[final star]

Why your buttons 20 pixels apart from each other

😫

[limber lion]

[brittle pawn]

Mut on 2 ambush on T, only way to do it imo

[fleet anchor]

I'm running higher rez

[final star]

Ahhh makes sense then

Just hide binds for 5Head plays

[stoic needle]

Imagine having visible buttons

[final star]

I'm gonna hide my binds and make my own weak auras

[stoic needle]

Mouseover action bar gang

[fleet anchor]

Have mouseover binds for Rupture/Garrote on my mouse buttons, as well as Feint

[charred mango]

i love that party doggo thing

[limber lion]

Gotta be honest, I've never had a weak aura to track Arcane Torrent and I still look at my action bar for its cooldown

[final star]

I hate using someone else's weakauras

[stoic needle]

This is the way

[strange python]

i've been pretty unlucky on vault phial since launch but we finally did it boys

[stoic needle]

Just make your own shit

[plain thistle]

hide keybinds and download a WA that show you yours spells CD

big brain

[limber lion]

Mouse buttons are a blessing. I don't know how I played without them in Legion/BFA.

[final star]

I did in Legion and it worked for me

[stoic needle]

[final star]

Weak aura was uggo as fuck

But it worked

[fleet anchor]

Yeah they are handy

That's what I'm using atm

[night cipher]

any ALT + T binders in the chat ?

[final star]

[limber lion]

I don't even have pick pocket bound

[fleet anchor]

RIP

I mean I should unbind it nowadays

[final star]

Macro pickpocket to stealth mut

Ez money

[fleet anchor]

RIP Legion

[limber lion]

Maybe would have if we got the Crimson Vial thingy

[fleet anchor]

RIP Pickpocket quests

[limber lion]

But we never did

[iron orchid]

Anyone else here close to being valor-capped after spamming dungeons ?

[stoic needle]

Pickpocket

[stoic needle]

I'm halfway there

[fleet anchor]

I had it on hovercast so I could walk up to packs and pickpocket them all in Legion 🤣

[final star]

I've done 1500ish on rogue and the same on boomy

[stoic needle]

I've seen 3 phials in 8 plaguefalls

I looted one and other people got the others

[final star]

I'm in no rush

I'll get it eventually

[gusty mirage]

I've spent the last hour and a half editing my UI and plater because of you guys, I just want you to know that

[limber lion]

I'm closer to carpal tunnel syndrome than I am to capped valor.

[final star]

Only an hour and a half

?

[gusty mirage]

@stoic needle

[fleet anchor]

I've seen 0 Phials

[iron orchid]

I feel that

[fleet anchor]

ripperino

[final star]

That's how long I spent trying to get a weak aura to work in pre patch

Didn't even use it in the end

[gloomy fern]

rip didnt get inerva ring, some noob runnign aroudn wit h210 ring

[gusty mirage]

I'm convinced phials stopped dropping in 9.0.5

[stoic needle]

The plaguefall ring is just as good as inerva ring

[night cipher]

0 phials in 10 plaguefalls on 2 rogues

[stoic needle]

I had this absolute saint of a tank change loot spec to ret just to give me a Phial

[limber lion]

That's weird, I did one run and I got it. Why don't you just, you know, get it?

[strange python]

they do exist...i just had to spam PF like 7 times this week

[stoic needle]

All I need now is poxstorm and then I never have to run plaguefall again

[strange python]

^this

[final star]

Watch dratnos on mdi. He'll look away for a few secs, look at the camera and nod , then look away again

[strange python]

least fav dungeon

[final star]

And repeat

The whole tike

Time

[stoic needle]

Such a fucking cursed dungeon

[limber lion]

At least Blizzard succeeded in their (assumed) goal of having people do more M+

[final star]

M+ is in a pog spot rn

[quaint phoenix]

I got my phial in my 14th run

Happy as f

[limber lion]

Not sure if the playerbase is too happy about it though if some people run 32 dungeons before they get the item they want

But at least it's a way to grind items without a time-gate mechanic tied to it

[final star]

It's always been that way

[strange python]

dont worry guys once 9.1 launches we get to farm the same items again cuz 9.05 versions wont be upgraded to new ilvl

[final star]

At least loot has value rn

It's great filling out my missing spots

[ebon bramble]

M+ as assassination is so fun for me but...feels like im doing subpar cause im not outlaw LOL

[fleet anchor]

I mean this is just the same model as BfA at this point..

[limber lion]

I remember doing 29 Upper Karazhan's in Legion for Eye of Command, which I never got. Opened the weekly vault the next day and there it was

[final star]

It's cos you are outside bosses@ebon bramble

[fleet anchor]

How many times did everyone farm Harlan's Loaded Dice 🤣

💤

[strange python]

lol that upper kara spam was real for a TF version

[limber lion]

Yeah it was a snoozefest

At least Freehold was a quicky

[night cipher]

I never got the vault spyglass

chest*

[final star]

I liked glaives during tomb

As sub

That trinket was giga pad for some fights

[fleet anchor]

Glaives was nice

[final star]

It was 2nd damage after evis LUL

[strange python]

same with bfa....was spamming SoTS and freehold endlessly for galecallers and dice zzzz

[limber lion]

I never got glaives 😢

[tepid grove]

Ok guys, I'm about to try assa but not much time to learn, please tell me the basics bros 👀

[final star]

Glaive was my second favourite trinket

[limber lion]

It was the #1 damage in Eonar for lots of specs as well

[final star]

Specter was my fave of all time

[limber lion]

Fun to see old raid tier trinkets used in current tiers.

Except when they're awful to play and feel like shit

[final star]

Lots of bosses in tos were static so it pumped to fuck

[limber lion]

cough Font of Power cough

cough Ashvane's Coral cough

[final star]

Good give me another draught of souls

[shy dust]

Excuse me

[final star]

[shy dust]

Coral was amazing trinket

How dare you slander it

And double on use sin

That was glorious

[fleet anchor]

Font was very not amazing feeling though

[limber lion]

So bad, ah it was the worst

[stoic needle]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-carell-dont-you-dare-the-office-michael-scott-gif-9247065

[shy dust]

Coral was amazing

Channeling font was shit

[limber lion]

Idk Coral felt so... non-existent

[shy dust]

Wym

[limber lion]

Like you charge it up, then you use it

[shy dust]

It did damage

[limber lion]

but nothing happens

[shy dust]

Which was noticable

[limber lion]

You crit a few times

[shy dust]

And you got tons of crit

You can apply that logic to every trinket then basically

You press it and it does damage

You press it and you get a bit more haste

[wild lion]

can someone link me a good opener for sludge its feel like im energystarved in the first 3 sec wit ma and deeper

[stoic needle]

Just play it, who cares

[fleet anchor]

At least Coral was kinda a neat idea, same for Inkpod really

But Font was annoying

[shy dust]

That overlap with coral and font tho

[limber lion]

Idk, maybe it was the stacking nature or something for me. Don't know

[shy dust]

That was glorious

[limber lion]

I did have the world's worst weak auras for tracking coral though

That might have played a huge part in it

Like it wouldn't show the stacks whenever I targeted something else than the target that had the coral in it

[red pagoda]

can anyone have a look at this? first raidfight as assassination https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XCZ2pFA1Qw8Lj7bD/#fight=last&type=damage-done

[stoic needle]

If I have to keep farming Phial every tier I just won't

I cba to run plaguefall that much

[shy dust]

They ended up breaking some triggers for coral WA enter 8.3

So it only showed if you were targeting your target

[fleet anchor]

I actually don't mind Plaguefall that much

It's been my highest run key this season even before the drops mattered

[median mango]

Quick question, how do you guys open on altimore with ds?

[red pagoda]

there's a lot of tanks who dont use plagueborers well

[fleet anchor]

I've always felt Plaguefall had a super generous timer

[red pagoda]

that's true

[shy dust]

I don’t mind plaguefall

[limber lion]

It does for sure. I don't think the timer is designed around Plagueborer-abuse.

[shy dust]

But 1st boss to 2nd

Is extremely boring

[median mango]

I actually enjoy plaguefall usually

[shy dust]

Just everything dying to bombs

[limber lion]

Mists is also very forgiving

[marble hemlock]

PF is siege 2.0

only slightly less infuriating

[fleet anchor]

Mists is usually my "last chance pug 14 because I slacked" key of choice

[red pagoda]

I'm just not a fan of dungeons with those extra gimmicks, like tol dagor cannons

[gusty mirage]

only thing that bothers me about mists is the rng of the maze

[red pagoda]

or siege spotter yea

[marble hemlock]

doing ~40% count with borers is, well, boring

[gusty mirage]

if every route in the maze gave the same count, I'd be more okay with it

[marble hemlock]

but evne before people started doing that, the timer was a meme

[limber lion]

Ashvane Sniper

[marble hemlock]

and yeah oxi, thats kinda dumb for sure

[fleet anchor]

The timer is forgiving anyway yeah, you can literally wipe 2-3 times on PF and still time

[limber lion]

Borers

[marble hemlock]

especially as its always 6 rooms

they just have different count for whatever reason

so they could make it very consistent

[fleet anchor]

It's really just the end boss can be a cockblock

For so-so groups

[ebon bramble]

the plus side, i get to shame ppl if i beat them in damage

[limber lion]

Tell me about it. We had an amazing run in +19 with my group up to that point. Then our healer and dps died to plague crash.

Ok one wipe is fine, we go again

Same thing happens but all 3 of them die.

Just me and the tank alive

I can take dying to Toxic Rain because it's dumb dumb ability on Tyrannical

But Plague Crash

[fleet anchor]

I've started just being reeeeeally hyper conservative with plague crashes. Learning which ones are diagonally offset helped a lot. One of the sides is sketchy af.

[gusty mirage]

"but I DIDNT SEE IT COMING"

[fleet anchor]

The ones directly on the door side are really oddly angled compared to the rest, catches people out all the time

[limber lion]

Yeah for sure, it's been an awfully coded ability for the longest time.

[gusty mirage]

Yeah I learned to just be super careful on the crashes

[sharp pawn]

any1 knows how to make the rog wago more transparent

[limber lion]

I remember when the hitboxes went through the boss

So you could stand near the boss, opposite of the tentacle

And die to it

Because it clips through the boss to the other side

[fleet anchor]

lol

yeah

[gentle gyro]

https://i.imgur.com/lF5mZ6P.png
successful reclear

[fleet anchor]

Nice

[limber lion]

I can only dream of such feats.

[fleet anchor]

Man nothing feels worse than killing Mythic Sire but since we had been extending don't even get a Mythic cache. Such a failed system. 🤣

[gentle gyro]

now on council