assassination

[hollow escarp]

same, was expecting the bfa sub treatment

[balmy condor]

Actually didn’t tbh, because at the same time that we found out envenom was bugged, we also found that it procs on poison bomb, which then pulled it back up

[limber lion]

Whispyr struggling with typing on the phone I see. :^)

jk

[balmy condor]

I’m at work

[limber lion]

Eww

imagine working

[stoic needle]

@balmy condor I had to stop watching your stream bc trial, did you ever get around to simming the legendaries in expanded dslice?

[nocturne hawk]

This is where I spend most of my work day

[balmy condor]

Expanded dslice is no no in raidbots, we figured out that raidbots actually blocks that sort of editing because some ghouls did It for like 100 target sims and melted the servers

Would have to do locally

[peak sandal]

LMAO

[stoic needle]

fucking zoomers

[indigo mulch]

loool

[stoic needle]

they should just add a limited amount of customization to those parameters in raidbots by default

cap it at 20 targets or whatever for the mdi chads

i feel like exposing those parameters to the public would do nothing but good, people seem to really not understand what a dslice sim actually is

evidenced by the number of people in here every day asking about whether doomblade is bis for M+ or not

[balmy condor]

If you have specific parameters you want tested hit me with a dm and I can run it overnight

[stoic needle]

bet

[balmy condor]

But like 9 copies, getting accurate results

[stoic needle]

i'm gonna look at MDT and come up with some settings that i think might account for some scenarios you might actually see in a dungeon

[balmy condor]

On my poor 3800x

Gonna suck

[stoic needle]

lmaooo

[balmy condor]

Dungeonslice is already a pretty long sim

I assume it’s going to take hours

[hollow escarp]

is it even worth simming dslice?

[undone grove]

an assasination just pumped to 2nd place at shriekwing are they back? 😳 👉 👈

[stoic needle]

yes fam we are back

[hollow escarp]

especially if you didn't phase Shriekwing

[limber lion]

huh, I don't see no assas anywhere on Shriek

[spice spire]

How’d trial go?

[stoic needle]

bro

they called it after 5 pulls on sks

[limber lion]

#1 log on HC Shriek is a protection paladin funnily enough :^)

[spice spire]

WHAT

[stoic needle]

because pugs kept leaving

i cannot even

[spice spire]

Bro

[stoic needle]

[spice spire]

That’s an oof

[stoic needle]

incredibly oof

[strange python]

Deeper sims higher for me but honestly I just prefer using vigour

It just feels better and with Vig I can do a bit of burst

[hollow escarp]

wtf, Max is doing a Mythic pug to gear his rogue from first 3 bosses

[stoic needle]

so i'm looking at the possible pulls in the different dungeons

and i think that doomblade could be viable for spires, sd, plaguefall and TOP

because those are dungeons with smallish pulls, with really fucking annoying priority targets that you can tunnel to death

[hollow escarp]

was about to say that

sd and top for sure

but also SD gauntlet has so much zoldyck potential

[stoic needle]

you definitely take a hit to aoe damage but if that means the thing that's gonna kill your tank dies a bit faster it might be worth it

but the whole last boss in SD zoldyck is useless

[hollow escarp]

but last boss gets annoying

yeah

[stoic needle]

idk if you can afford to be useless on the last boss

[hollow escarp]

can't really say useless

[stoic needle]

sin single target blaster new meta for m+?

[hollow escarp]

meh

[stoic needle]

we can 'funnel'

[hollow escarp]

I want that 6k+ overall damage to prove the world wrong

[stoic needle]

i feel like that's fighting a losing battle

[vital haven]

omg last boss on SD

its that boss on the last boss on HOA

idk why they are boss level

so you can get parried

[stoic needle]

the wicked charge and laser beam overlap on kaal is just

stupid

[hollow escarp]

never happened to me yet

ooh

sorry

it did

[vital haven]

you can vanish like a cool guy though

the first charge

and bug out the ability

[stoic needle]

WHAST

[vital haven]

ye

[limber lion]

You can dodge the charge and/or use defensives to negate it completely.

[stoic needle]

i found out you can dodge it by moving

[vital haven]

if you get the first charge you can vanish it and it wont do the second one

[stoic needle]

what else works? evasion?

wowwww

[limber lion]

Yah

[vital haven]

and also it wont do the wicked blast

[hollow escarp]

does shadowstep works?

[marsh yew]

yes

[vital haven]

shadowstep works yes

[late bolt]

lol I tried that, seems like I misstimed that one time or something lol

[limber lion]

Yeh you can dodge with shadowstep

[hollow escarp]

wtf

[stoic needle]

huge

[hollow escarp]

I've been tanking those

[vital haven]

shadowstep is way easier to dodge than grappling

[hollow escarp]

I guess you will eventually need to do that on high keys

[stoic needle]

yeah it's so much healing pressure you have to dodge it if you can

[hollow escarp]

but on +16s it was fine

my healer probably disagrees though

[vital haven]

you shadowstep it, you can grappling hook it, you can sprint dodge, you can normal "dodge" it, you can prideful speed dodge it, you can vanish it, you can evasion it

i think thats all of them

[marsh yew]

just dont get hit 4head

[hollow escarp]

grappling on last boss in Necrotic feels so good

[stoic needle]

ok so we really have no excuse for getting it with that then huh

[limber lion]

Gonna be honest here, speaking from personal experience... but it's much more worth to tank either the beam or the wicked blade, than trying to dodge both of them, fuck up, and then get hit by both.

[marsh yew]

lul

[late bolt]

I know what Im not gonna tell my group then lmao

[stoic needle]

i feel like you can dodge them both easy enough

[vital haven]

well i mean once the charge gets mixed with the beams which always happens after the first charge

[stoic needle]

just move in a straight line to dodge the charge

[vital haven]

its gets harder to dodge it

[stoic needle]

and then sidestep to the beam

[vital haven]

cuz you have to dodge two things

[limber lion]

It's not that easy

[hollow escarp]

WAIT

does meld work on that?

[vital haven]

probablyu

[hollow escarp]

noice

[limber lion]

You have to time it properly and have to have the boss at the correct position so you don't shadowstep to the beam

You have to stand in where the beam is about to hit, not on the safe zone

[hollow escarp]

also I don't really know how you guys play sin without being night elf

[marsh yew]

idk I would shadowstep but I don't trust the people I pug with to dodge the beams if they overlap. so I only shadowstep if they aren't overlapped

[stoic needle]

shadowstep does make it harder i think just moving normally is probably easier

[stoic needle]

fuck you and your 2nd vanish

[hollow escarp]

[stoic needle]

imagine having 2x the subterfuge garottes

[hollow escarp]

haven't tested if they fixed the meld garrote bug

with subterfuge

[stoic needle]

you overalls better be massive

bug?

[hollow escarp]

you could meld and garrote

and it would apply subt garrote

[marsh yew]

that doesnt sound like a bug to me

[hollow escarp]

during boss fights

where you can't get real meld

or stealth

[marsh yew]

if you vanish do you not get a subt garrote?

[hollow escarp]

you do

but it's different

if you meld you can't stealth in boss fight

[stoic needle]

i think that's intended

[marsh yew]

^

[stoic needle]

and why it doesn't work in raids

[hollow escarp]

might be

I think I've seen it in quickSim rotation

[stoic needle]

it's mostly good for the big pumper overalls in keys

and extra silences for cc

[hollow escarp]

I do that

but vanishing is safer

[balmy condor]

Meld in raids works like dance iirc

[hollow escarp]

I use meld in case of tank is chain pulling

[balmy condor]

You can get an ambush off and stuff

Think of it like a sepsis proc

[hollow escarp]

[stoic needle]

melding on trash for subterfuge to save vanish for the real bosses

or on pride

[shy dust]

Meld never let you

[stoic needle]

i legit almost faction+race changed when i found out about meld

[shy dust]

Get a subterfuge in boss convey

[balmy condor]

Yeah

It doesn’t do subterfuge unless you true stealth

[hollow escarp]

it did in bfa

[shy dust]

The reason the apl would do so in bfa was because

Of shrouded suffocation

[hollow escarp]

no

[shy dust]

Not subterfuge

Yes

[vital haven]

SHROUDED

[hollow escarp]

it did subt, but not SS

[vital haven]

I MISS IT SO MUCH

[shy dust]

No

You have the opposite

[vital haven]

[balmy condor]

Actually just wrong

[hollow escarp]

hmm

[shy dust]

If you could get

Another subterfuge

Do you not think

Night elf would have flown up

In racial sims

You’d have a 2nd vanish

[hollow escarp]

hmmm

so it was the other way around

[shy dust]

Yes

[hollow escarp]

I guess that's why nobody talks about it anymore

the thing is I remember checking the garrote ticks on target debuff

and they were lower then the ones applied after a normal opener

ohh

[shy dust]

[hollow escarp]

it was SS but it was missing the subt value

brain works now

[safe barn]

doom is hast/vers right?

[limber lion]

That's fine

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[limber lion]

!stats

[iron spruce]

Hey. SO i just noticed Assassination just got a big boost

so are you all switching from Sub back to Asn?

[hollow escarp]

we were always sin

[iron spruce]

well i was for years, but iswitched to SUb for raiding Castle

now im heading back to it

and im like lost in it haha

[outer lodge]

switching back? we never left boi

[shy dust]

Reading the pins

And guides

[stoic needle]

imagine playing sub

[shy dust]

Is a very good place to start

[stoic needle]

[hollow escarp]

if you played sin in last expac, most info from pins should be enough to not get lost

[iron spruce]

Oh yea but I was wondering if you guys knew what caused the sudden jumnp all of a sudden

[shy dust]

Buffs

[limber lion]

We know everything here.

[shy dust]

Sin got massively buffed

[limber lion]

We're all galaxybrain gamers here

[iron spruce]

are tyhe guides updated with that info?

[shy dust]

And reworking of covenants some bug fixes and quality of life changes

[limber lion]

Yes

[nocturne hawk]

EP still better than BS on Huntsman even if you're muting doggos in exec range for more BS procs?

[hollow escarp]

3 aura buffs, some bug fixes, 2 covenant buffs and 1 reworkd

[violet wasp]

Guys, w subterfurge talent open like this: garrote, ambush, garrote (24seg buffs garrote) isnt better than normal openner with MA?

[limber lion]

Most likely because with 2 targets you have 4 bleeds = more energy = more finishers = more uptime on EP

[nocturne hawk]

Makes sense!

[limber lion]

No to both of those questions.

MA opener is better in ST, and that rotation is wrong for Subt as well.

[balmy condor]

That’s actually the worst opener you can do with subterfuge

Extending the garrote is bad

[hollow escarp]

ambush is only used from blindside proc

[balmy condor]

And so is ambush

So you’re looking to gar mut snd

[violet wasp]

Why is bad rigth now?

[balmy condor]

Well garrote doesn’t do enough damage to warrant extending

And mutilate gives more cp than ambush

[hollow escarp]

it was good to extend in opener with shrouded suffocation

[violet wasp]

Yes understand

[iron spruce]

TThanks for the info but the guides have a ton of information that is unnecessary for me

[balmy condor]

That’s unfortunate

[hollow escarp]

well it's a good refresher

[nocturne hawk]

Time spent on guides

[strange python]

https://tenor.com/view/badass-watch-out-neilde-grasse-tyson-out-gif-5219598

[iron spruce]

im flattered

but no

it doesnt get to a bottom line i mean. Its wonderful to have and to see how everything effects stuff

[shy dust]

Wym get to a bottom line

What don’t you understand

[iron spruce]

Looking for something on talents

and information on the changes and stuff

[shy dust]

I mean

The pins

[iron spruce]

the pinned is from March 5th

[hollow escarp]

you can always sim talents

[balmy condor]

There’s an entire page on talents

[shy dust]

Literally say talents

The pins are also constantly updated

Also

[shy dust]

Did you even bother

To read the guides

[limber lion]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/26#class=Rogue&spec=Assassination
Here's a page for talents on all bosses

[shy dust]

Because

[azure fox]

do we use Envenom at all in m+ besides boss fight? we use CT instead of Envenom in packs right?

[shy dust]

This literally tells you every change

[limber lion]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/h36jx7GHLD29fqNm#fight=2&type=casts&source=7&view=timeline
Here's a ST rotation for you

[nocturne hawk]

Sin got a bunch of aura buffs and bug fixes since SL launch ^

[balmy condor]

You maintain m+ on everything yes

[limber lion]

Have fun

[balmy condor]

Have fun sleeping

[hollow escarp]

@limber lion

[iron spruce]

I was reading the Gooogle docs, and i was informed that this change happend in the last 24 hours from several guildies. So i thought it was obsolete

apparently not

[strange python]

All hail @turbid oxide

[hollow escarp]

that's outlaw though

[strange python]

HAIL HIM

[limber lion]

❤️ 😴

[shy dust]

Heroic all stars

[strange python]

Her

Then

[shy dust]

[strange python]

Them

[hollow escarp]

hey

HC is fun

[shy dust]

Yes but also

Heroic all star

[balmy condor]

Changes in the last 24 hours?

[iron spruce]

Thanks i was kinda looking for something like this as well. Thanks!

[hollow escarp]

parsing on mythic

[balmy condor]

Blizzard changes things.... on a Friday?

[shy dust]

Parsing on mythic isn’t hard

[void urchin]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[hollow escarp]

I know, because everybody is doing mechanics

[nocturne hawk]

Bliz started working fridays?!

[shy dust]

You can just speed clear with an average guild

And get a 99 on every heroic fight

[limber lion]

But you can't if you never kill the bosses

[balmy condor]

For 3.50 an hour?

[limber lion]

Imagine reclearing

[balmy condor]

I’m kidding btw

[shy dust]

Heroic

[nocturne hawk]

They got a raise?!!?

[balmy condor]

They don’t pay their interns that much

[limber lion]

Pretty similar to what you're getting from streaming

[hollow escarp]

well HC is the place where you can have fun

[balmy condor]

Yo true

[shy dust]

You can have fun in M too

You can easily mess around on M

[hollow escarp]

[shy dust]

I mean

Just move up

Find a better guild

[hollow escarp]

[nocturne hawk]

HC chill for dudes with jobs and kids

[shy dust]

I mean

It’s not that hard

You’re in a world 3600 guild

[stoic needle]

[strange python]

6/10M is decent

[shy dust]

You have at least thousand of options to go up

[strange python]

Just have fun

[balmy condor]

Speaking of which, how much for a m sire carry with 233 weapon funnel

[hollow escarp]

well, technically I have 886 more options because I play alliance

[shy dust]

That’s a lot of gold

And you’d have to be alliance

[limber lion]

I'm considering it honestly. Might look for a better guild after the tier is over.

[hollow escarp]

if you guys wanna buy a mythic carry, hit me up 🙂

[limber lion]

But anyways, gn

[hollow escarp]

on alliance eu

[shy dust]

I can send you a gif of me deleting a 233 weapon if that appeases you instead

[balmy condor]

I mean, if I have that kind of gold, I could also buy a transfer, buy the carry, then transfer back

[shy dust]

That is true

[hollow escarp]

that's what people did before Hall of Fame ended

[nocturne hawk]

I like being in a pepega guild of friends, gets aotc, farms then chills and do other shit while waiting for the next raid

[vital haven]

this might be a dumb question

master assassin the talent still works with NW weapons

[hollow escarp]

well I basically started from 0 this expansion again, in a tier where rogues are trash, pretty happy getting to 6/10

[shy dust]

Why be happy with that

[hollow escarp]

and with a guild that has no disbanding plans

[shy dust]

Strive upwards

Continue rising

[balmy condor]

Neigh, never has

[vital haven]

wait it never has

fuckk nvm then

[shy dust]

Well at 6/10 you’re now entering the boss

That will take multiple weeks

[hollow escarp]

yep

[shy dust]

Don’t get attached bro. Continue moving up

[cloud reef]

guys guess what

[hollow escarp]

phial?

[cloud reef]

i played a quick few bosses as sin

and i dont want to blow my brains out

[hollow escarp]

how come?

[cloud reef]

didnt feel as slow as i remember

[main forge]

Cut to the chase really helps.

[pliant nest]

its always a good sign if a spec doesnt make you want to kill yourself!

[cloud reef]

yeah i think thats the big thing

cttc

[nocturne hawk]

cttc

[main forge]

I know I didn't feel like I was refreshing snd every 15s.

[cloud reef]

before it felt like you had no time for anything except maintenance spells

although im still so salty

that the sin envenom hits more than subs evis

despite the sub mastery

[hollow escarp]

it makes sense with doomblade

[cloud reef]

and finality

[main forge]

I'm salty it was bad for so long. I went sub and struggling to go back. I am enjoying sub but it's definitely harder and much easier to fuck up

[cloud reef]

i love sub

i love the change in pace for SD and SoD timings

[main forge]

Yeah I grew to love sub.

[nocturne hawk]

Still love sub, In pvp

[cloud reef]

sub is more planning ahead

and punishing if you misjudge stuff

[main forge]

Outlaw I still haven't touched but looks like I have to learn it probably for next tier and m+

[grim hornet]

Haste/vers or haste/crit on doomblade?

[outer lodge]

So I have a dumb question... what's the best way to use 2 on use trinkets? I want to just macro them into abilites and not have to have a seperate keybind. Both on 1.5min cds. How would you guys do that?

[cloud reef]

but both are hard for different reasons

[jaunty fable]

so whats the MA and DS opener for sin?

is it ambush mut x2 then rupture into a garrote?

[honest lake]

Vanish is just used for gar even in st (m+ build)?

[jaunty fable]

then mut 2x vend, shiv Cov ability into vanish full cp envenom spam?

[orchid hollow]

wish skulkurs wing should i hold for vendetta or use on 1:30 cd

[jaunty fable]

use on cd

[sleek sparrow]

trinks arent buffed by vendetta

[orchid hollow]

oh

good to know haha

[hollow escarp]

trinkets don't interact with rogue abilities

[jaunty fable]

but is skulker buffed by ma talent?

[hollow escarp]

unless it's a damage boost phase like sludge, press on CD

[jaunty fable]

ik they changed the leggo to not work on itmes

what about the talent tho?;o

[balmy condor]

The lego now works like the talent always has worked

So the answer is a solid no

[jaunty fable]

ohhhh okay

talent always worked that wayxD

didn't know

[balmy condor]

Yuuuup

It’s also why you don’t see the crit in your stat window

[jaunty fable]

but anyone got opener sequence for MA and DS talents?

im only use to subterfuge opener

[outer lodge]

@balmy condor should i just bind both trinkets into like shiv to get the most use out of them?

[hollow escarp]

macro skulkers on mutilate

[outer lodge]

[hollow escarp]

not sure if that's the play

[balmy condor]

Mut snd mut gar vend rup shiv vanish mut env mut

[hollow escarp]

don't do it

[jaunty fable]

oh so you woulnd't ambush before?

[balmy condor]

I mean, it won’t make a difference

[balmy condor]

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[hollow escarp]

I learned that having separate keybinds for on use trinkets like that is better

[jaunty fable]

is it cuz of the leggo?

[nocturne hawk]

Amb only on BS procs

[outer lodge]

i have skulkers bound into flag and vessel with shiv atm - just wondering if there's a better way

[jaunty fable]

just wondering cuz amb does almost 2x the damage of mut

[balmy condor]

Probably on their own binds

[balmy condor]

Did you read the bot command I tagged you in

[jaunty fable]

it does more than 2x

?

[balmy condor]

It does double the damage but it isn’t worth

[rugged zephyr]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[balmy condor]

Because of the stuff outlined in that bot command

[edgy cosmos]

do u always save sepsis for vend?

[balmy condor]

Not usually

[jaunty fable]

ah i see the rotation now

[balmy condor]

You only sync if you know you won’t miss a cast

[devout ingot]

trying to find a macro for blindside procs this one doesnt seem to work any tips? #showtooltip
/cast [mod:alt] Ambush; Mutilate

[edgy cosmos]

simc seems to like saving it its always like 10sec or so away from lining up

[balmy condor]

!bs

[prisma monolith]

Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message

[devout ingot]

oh ty

[balmy condor]

It syncs vendetta/sepsis based on the fight time, knowing that it won’t miss a cast

[orchid hollow]

should i ever hold vendetta/vanish so it lines up with shiv window?

or the other way around?

[balmy condor]

You hold shiv up to 12 seconds for vendetta

[orchid hollow]

thanks!

im assuming that means DONT hold the long cd stuff for shiv to come back up if it doesnt line up right

[jaunty fable]

def line shiv up with full cp envenom though

can get 3 in the window

[undone grove]

how's sin in pvp rn?

[jaunty fable]

shouldnt be hard to line up in time too

[hollow escarp]

good sustained damage and pretty scary burst

[balmy condor]

In theory should hold the long cooldown, but risk prevention is that you hold the short cd. Losing a vendetta cast Is much more painful than losing 1 shiv

[silent tinsel]

where do you even go to upgrade valor items

[balmy condor]

The conquest guy

[silent tinsel]

But thats the conq upgrader

[balmy condor]

Upgrader whatever

Should be able to just toss him an item

There’s an article on wowhead about it as well iirc

[silent tinsel]

Plaguefalls last boss is so boring

literally just infectious rain the boss

[analog glade]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qazuGt87Dsze6PoUoF5Qys hmm hateful chain BIS ?

[loud silo]

I lose my mind everytime I see someone mention macroing trinkets with other buttons

[nocturne hawk]

depends on how many other shattered psyches prob

[hollow escarp]

it can get awkward in some situations

[stoic needle]

apparently hateful chain is equivalent in dps to 233 dreadfire with 22% haste

[analog glade]

Hmm

[stoic needle]

the proc is hasted

[loud silo]

What ilvl tho?

213 or 226

[analog glade]

226 imo

Fuck my leg 210 😦

Next week 225

[stoic needle]

226

[analog glade]

And soon last socket on this ring

[nocturne hawk]

the maw

[dawn shard]

What's the opener for Sin rouge Venthyr, DS build?

[analog glade]

@nocturne hawk tomorrow or in 2 days !

xD

[nocturne hawk]

I hope they do something to that zone, its so fkn boring

[analog glade]

Y

[daring tundra]

@dawn shard mut>snd>mut>garrotte>rupture>mut to 4 or 5 cp>shiv>vendetta>flag>vanish>envenom

I think

[dawn shard]

its not a dps loss to not get closer to 6 cp?

[daring tundra]

Shiv gets you to 6

[dawn shard]

ahh okay yeah i cant read lmao

[radiant fossil]

@daring tundra without lust that opener is starving energy no ?

[stoic needle]

yes but it doesn't matter

[daring tundra]

Sin is always energy starved at the start of fights

It’s a ramp class

[silent tinsel]

9 runs today, 3 oozes

[daring tundra]

Once all your bleeds are out and alacrity is stacked you’re fine

[subtle imp]

Legion pb procs

[reef axle]

There any real downsides to using GSE?

[daring tundra]

GSE?

[reef axle]

Gnome Sequence enhanced

[daring tundra]

Ah I dunno what that is oops

[dark vigil]

max playing assassination on stream

[shy dust]

@balmy condor

Is it still fine to overcap with shiv

I remember it was that way all of bfa curious if so now

[stoic needle]

GSE can't account for seal fate

[stoic needle]

whattt

[balmy condor]

Yes that’s fine

[drifting cloud]

just dont crit

so you feel better

[stoic needle]

oh my god he is playing sin

[void pecan]

pugging a mythic raid

[balmy condor]

His chat was backseating the whole time yesterday and it was all wrong, cev was losing his mind

[stoic needle]

[dark vigil]

yeah @stoic needle he powerleveled mage rogue shaman and priest

most of chat was "generically" right

they had the right idea

just some stuff was slightly off

[next garnet]

do you lose all your anima that you have stored if you cov switch?

[dark vigil]

yes

[next garnet]

lord Jesus this is going to suck

[dawn ivy]

spend it on an upgrade if you can

[severe shuttle]

i think you can buy a load of stuff from covenant vendor, then refund it in your new covenant hall

atleast that used to work

[drifting cloud]

well people were saying as of 2 days ago that buying anima tmog and selling it back was still working

[severe shuttle]

there ya go then

[next garnet]

nice, can you keep the xmog if you switch?

[silent tinsel]

I think you keep the mog on a peice of gear if its there

but you cant ever reapply it

[ornate jetty]

with a set up of 2210023 (subterfuge, ma talent, vigor, ct)
is this a good opener?
garrote > snd > garrote > mut to 4-5cp > flag > rupture > vendetta+shiv > mut to 4-5 cp > envenom?

for m+ bosses at least

[livid temple]

yo so for dungeon slice Nightstalker is simming higher for me than MA or Subterfuge? is that legit or nah?

[balmy condor]

Questionable that the snd lasts all the way to that envenom, also don’t double garrote single target, otherwise fine

[lean coral]

just tried it

did not let me refund

[ornate jetty]

ayt ayt got it! ty @balmy condor, it's scary but i get the envenom 3 secs before snd expires XD

so will mut > snd > gar be better? for st

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s probably fine

Would also vendetta with the flag cast

That instant cast is huge with lashing

[ornate jetty]

got it! tyty

[livid temple]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fe8sQcdAuP7Xx4BCd41ob5
this is what my D-slice sims look like, i legit never thought EP and Nightstalker would be my two best for dungeons.

[balmy condor]

EP for sure

Not taking ep is hard trolling

Nightstalker can get close

[severe shuttle]

Sudden Fractures simming higher than Lethal Poisons for me, this normal or?

[livid temple]

i thought nightstalker would make the aoe more difficult?

i guess you just dont spam garrote for the opener? garrote 1 boy then start ruptures until you can garrote again?

[tall remnant]

What Leggo is best for dungeons? I have Master assassin because I have been multi speccing, but what is best for dungeons?

[balmy condor]

Mfd into CT for opener

[livid temple]

ahhh that makes sense, idk why but i really dislike mark for death, like i dont find it annoying or hard to use ive just never really liked it as a talent

[balmy condor]

You can play vigor Subt just fine

I personally don’t think the 50 dps or whatever is worth the gimmick

[heavy jolt]

should i be pooling energy for shiv windows?

[stoic needle]

pool around envenom and you'll have energy for every shiv window

[livid temple]

ahhh fair enough, yeah i might just use vigor... yeah i cant put my finger on why but i just cant really get behind mark for death for any of the rogue specs

[balmy condor]

I’m not too fond of the talent either

[heavy jolt]

as in pool while the envemon buff is up?

[spice spire]

The talent isn't fond of me :/

[balmy condor]

Pool before casting envenom

[stoic needle]

don't cast envenom unless you're going to cap on energy, so over 70% energy

[heavy jolt]

ok

[stoic needle]

i like mfd but i've been playing with vigor more

it's not bad

[tall remnant]

Envenom then shiv, or shiv then envenom

[balmy condor]

Shiv then envenom

[livid temple]

@stoic needle im pretty new, whats the idea about pooling before envenom?

[stoic needle]

@livid temple .

[balmy condor]

^

You want high energy going into cooldown phases

And you achieve that, while keeping high uptimes on envenom/ep

By simply holding onto your envenom cast until you’re about to overcap

[livid temple]

ahhhh okay! yeah basically so you aren't just wasting the envenom buffs/energy

[regal chasm]

I seem to play much worse with DS instead of vigor despite it simming marginally better. Especially since I'm necro so no thrill buff. Seem to always be starved for CPs

[heavy jolt]

does this also apply when shiv buff is up? or should i be doing as many env as possible during that

[shadow tangle]

Is anyone playing necrolord? It was simming highest for aoe and good single target with heir mir

But maybe venthyr is just more fun with haste

[ornate jetty]

does our stat prio differ in st and m+? generally speaking

[eager delta]

mastery gets abit better and haste gets abit worse in aoe

[balmy condor]

Dump as hard as possible during shiv and vendetta

[balmy condor]

Like krude said, but generally no

[heavy jolt]

ty

[void pecan]

Mine is the exact same

minus like .03 weight or so

[balmy condor]

Yeh

It’s very similar

[void pecan]

haste crit gang

[balmy condor]

All my homies love haste crit

Except oshosi

[dawn ivy]

vers will always feel wierd to me being a good stat even on other classes

[balmy condor]

I went on a rant about stats on my stream today but honestly gear is so piss boring and all the stats are actually brain dead

Kinda hate it

Crit, vers, and mastery for 80% of specs are basically just “all/a majority of your damage goes up by x%”

Haste has some gcd/energy/tick rate stuff

Crit gets a lot more boring when you realize it’s basically a chance for spell to proc 100% versatility for that cast

[eager delta]

tbh i feel like its only likely to get worse as the xpac goes on, especially with the stat drop offs, it'll get to a point where all stats are actually the same because you cant get any more of your favored ones

dont get me wrong, i like shadowlands for the most part, but the stat drop off is actually the dumbest thing i've ever seen

[balmy condor]

Stat DR doesn’t actually seem to have that big of an effect from what I’ve tested/seen through sims

[fleet anchor]

They are very close, so not too surprising. Combination of finding the SBS ticks being hasted plus Sudden Fractures ignoring armor despite it not being obvious that this would be the case.

[balmy condor]

But we’ll see how borrowed power plays into that

[fleet anchor]

And Lethal Poisons is not particularly strong

[sharp sand]

ok listen i have to be ready to raid on my assa rogue tonight how do i start

i need you boys

[balmy condor]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[balmy condor]

Would be a good start

[sharp sand]

look at this fat little weakling https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/c3MJN8DooyBtjnFmKqFQvL

[eager delta]

hmm, i mean right now its not that much of an issue, and likely wont be until at least 2nd or 3rd tier, but i still think the concept of stat dr is so stupid and just goes against minmaxing in general,

urh

think you got the wrong setup there

[livid temple]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3VCy6BtJZXEWQS4gnAsnqc this is about as strong as i can make my AoE build atm. actually sims for like 200 dps less than my outlaw build, i thought it would have been more... i also thought theotar would have been an upgrade?

[nocturne hawk]

Wish wow had stats like EQ did. Like strikethrough and focus effects that would let you overcap on base stats

[eager delta]

looks like an m+ setup but its simmed for patchwork lol @sharp sand

[nocturne hawk]

then gear wouldn't be as boring

[paper wraith]

Im probably hard swapping to Assa for raid/pvp. (Not much of a m+ fan but i do occasionally do it.) is it safe to assume gloomblade is best for both? or is master assas still better for pvp

[sharp sand]

why does it look like m+ setup

[eager delta]

wild hunt tactics and lethal poisons

@paper wraith yeah doomblade is the play for raid and pvp for assa

[fleet anchor]

I mean WoW used to have things like that but they got a bee in their bonnet about people optimizing for Hit caps an Expertise caps and attack/defensive ratings and stuff like that

[eager delta]

you can do some cheesy shit with ma but i dont think it plays into what the spec is good at for pvp imo

[fleet anchor]

So decided to just make everything +235 Epicness

For dum dum WoW players

[nocturne hawk]

yes they did

[fleet anchor]

Of course then they turn around and make systems like Azerite that require 92251945 gear combination sims to figure out what to use, so no real idea what their thought process is tbh

lol

[nocturne hawk]

so bad that the servers literally cant handle it

[eager delta]

yeah i mean its always going to be abit of a tug a war so to speak, you've got people who just want to be able to log in and play mindlessly complaining that theres too many systems and then the people who actually care saying the systems arent detailed enough

[fleet anchor]

I really wouldn't mind stuff like Hit/Expertise/ArPen/Weapon Skill stuff coming back

[void pecan]

PVP stat when?

[eager delta]

imo your better off designing the game for the top and letting it trickle down, people that care will optimize, people that dont wont.

[fleet anchor]

Don't worry classic servers will have a PvP stat soon

Sometimes you have to step backwards to go forwards

lol

[void pecan]

They gotta see that pvp stat was good

then they'll bring it back

I see I see

[balmy condor]

I love my uninspiring stats

What flavor of “you do more damage” would you like koji

Main stat? Crit? Vers? Mastery?

[fleet anchor]

Blizzard probably thinks Mastery is good because they look at specs like Fire Mages and are like "wow you can build around stuff like that, so cool!"

But like for 3/4 of the specs in the game Mastery is just Vers without survivability

[eager delta]

i mean mastery would be good if it wasnt just another boring stat for most classes

and tbh the mainstat changes are terrible as well, mindlessly putting on ilvl gear is actually terrible

[dawn ivy]

hell, sometimes vers is better flat dmg than their own mastery

[eager delta]

id rather live in a legion world tbh

[livid temple]

using MA does the aoe rotation change at all? open with CT with MfD, then do i just fan and rupture everything?

[fleet anchor]

Like I dunno, it's a difference between say.. Mastery for Assassination being "+Bleed and Poison damage" which may as well just be vers tbh with some minor exceptions

To being like scaling the power of Vendetta or Shiv

That could be something maybe interesting

But just bleeds+poisons? Who cares

It's just +damage%

[balmy condor]

10.0, mastery now only affects vendetta

Also vendetta is a passive

[eager delta]

then you get people that will comaplin that they're taking power out of the class and putting it into cds blah blah

[balmy condor]

And renamed to vendatility

[fleet anchor]

No first they scale it

But keep it the same

But then players complain it's too hard to optimize

And then 10.1 adds "Assassin's Ire" passive

Of "your melee attacks have a chance to apply Vendetta to your target"

👌

[balmy condor]

I’m also surprised

[eager delta]

vendetta of perfection

[balmy condor]

How many different versions of just “you get some stats randomly”

They’ve added

Without the playerbase going insane

[stoic needle]

lmao i've seen 3 phials this week

[fleet anchor]

I mean BfA was way worse for that than SL

At least they are kinda moving away from it for now

[balmy condor]

Sure but remember the legion thingy we got on the broken shore

That just giga procced

[fleet anchor]

325986 Azerite-related stat procs, who tf knows what your stats are at any given point

[stoic needle]

one of the things i like about hit and other things like that is that it adds another dimension to making gear sets especially if different stats are more optimal for different fight situations

like in classic, hit gets better the longer the fight is

[balmy condor]

All I know is that the stats are HUUUUUUUUUGE

[void pecan]

I just want.. reforging back

[stoic needle]

so you have a set for long fights with lots of hit and a set for short fights with the minimum amount

it just makes loot more interesting and gives you more decisions to make

[eager delta]

lol people would lose their minds if they had to do that to be optimal

like the gear swapping thing in m+

which was awesome

[stoic needle]

i don't think it's a bad thing

[eager delta]

but the difference between the top and bottom

[fleet anchor]

You gotta get the Gorak Tul's proc, 3x Overwhelming power proc, B2B Vita proc, Quick Navigation proc all for your first Vendetta Exsang and ride that baby to a Rank 1 until the wheels come off

[stoic needle]

it's much more interesting than ilvl = bis

[fleet anchor]

Such skill

[stoic needle]

that's fuckin boring

[eager delta]

yeah id agree

but like

[nocturne hawk]

now vs then its kinda pick your poison .... have gear be boring where only ilvl matters most.... or like in bfa where if it didnt have haste/vers on it it was disenchant

[eager delta]

they cant put it back in the game

[stoic needle]

why not

[balmy condor]

You don’t like 80% crit 300% haste openers Just happening randomly?

[stoic needle]

call it "gear unpruning"

[eager delta]

because they want wow to be a casual game

it sucks

but its the reality

[fleet anchor]

Well they still massively underestimate their players regularly

[lilac sparrow]

can I upgrade my dagger 203 > 220?

[fleet anchor]

I mean sure some people were confused about Hit and Expertise or whatever

But honestly those people just wear whatever anyway

[stoic needle]

right

[fleet anchor]

And Azerite was way more confusing either way

So no clue tbh

[balmy condor]

Sorry, not randomly, I mean to say “exciting and unique effects that fundamentally alter your gameplay for brief moments” or some bullshit

[fleet anchor]

My casual friends had literally no fucking clue what to do with artifacts and azerite

[nocturne hawk]

azerite was too confusing so they added corruptions

[stoic needle]

I had no fucking clue what to do with azerite lmao

[fleet anchor]

BfA was easily like the most casual unfriendly mess of systems of all time

[balmy condor]

At least it had systems

[stoic needle]

oh dont you worry whispy

[nocturne hawk]

as bad as it was, i actually liked the raids

[stoic needle]

they have the whole xpac left to add systems

[severe shuttle]

aha interesting, ty for reply 🙂

[balmy condor]

I don’t understand how we literally go back to square 1 every expansion

[eager delta]

idk, i miss bfa tbh, shadowlands is fun and all but its just so boring

[balmy condor]

How is it possible that we don’t bring literally anything forward

Not one system

[fleet anchor]

Yeah it's odd

Poor use of resources imo

[stoic needle]

[fleet anchor]

Then again, I was kinda happy to see Azerite and Essences get deleted

ngl

[balmy condor]

For an ever-growing game that’s supposed to evolve and be a massive journey

It’s a little poorly growing

[dawn ivy]

still no haste trinket from WQ

[nocturne hawk]

Hey devs, good job on the last 2 years. time to put a #infrontOfItAll

[stoic needle]

you can get it from the mission table too

the lack of continuity between expansions was one of the biggest things that made it hard for me to get into retail

i like how BC built on vanilla and WOTLK built on BC

[fleet anchor]

Also Azerite technically was just upside down Netherlight Crucible. Like literally. lol

So they did kinda reuse that one 😉

[stoic needle]

and aren't soulbinds and conduits just like a gamewide generic crucible?

just super simplified

[fleet anchor]

Yes they've kinda been reusing the same tree-based passive structures a bit to provide core secondary progression systems

[stoic needle]

conduit = relic

[fleet anchor]

But Crucible and Azerite were actually just 1:1 initially until they polished it up a bit

[balmy condor]

I thought azerite was supposed to replace tier sets, not the crucible, or was it legendaries? Oh no it was the artifacts, oh you know what, it was supposed to replace all of those things my bad

[fleet anchor]

In early builds it was actually the same UI lol

[stoic needle]

tbh I don't mind it, i just hope they think outside the box with what a conduit can be in the future patches

[strange python]

Aren’t tier sets coming back?

[balmy condor]

“In some form”

Whatever the fuck that means

[strange python]

Lol

[nocturne hawk]

I like how it was like... you still have all your shit + heres some new spells n shit

[stoic needle]

i hope conduits don't just say "x does % more damage" for the rest of the expansion

[eager delta]

inb4 some 4 piece neutral armour type set

[fleet anchor]

I'll be honest, I have almost no faith in set bonuses being remotely balanced anyway 😦

[eager delta]

they dont need to be balanced

[fleet anchor]

So while I would love for tier sets to come back in theory

[eager delta]

they just need to be something

[fleet anchor]

I think it's gonna be a shitshow

[stoic needle]

oh i'm fully aware the next system is gonna be a complete shitshow

[balmy condor]

(2) Your attacks have a chance to proc 600 versatility for 10 seconds
(4) the proc is now 800 versatility

[nocturne hawk]

lmao

[stoic needle]

if i had to guess i think there will be another soulbind tree where the conduits make up the set bonuses

and you get to choose between a limited number of really powerful effects

and change them when you want with conduit energy

the tier set but in crucible form

[nocturne hawk]

and then we kill the jailer and all that power is gone now

[balmy condor]

@fleet anchor don’t be angry, at least boring nonsense procs won’t break simc

[nocturne hawk]

[eager delta]

pvpers literally shaking rn at that tier set

[balmy condor]

[wise fiber]

Quick question. is actually doom better on ToP this week or just not worth it?

[stoic needle]

I timed a +15 top boost with doomblade

[balmy condor]

Arguable, I would say it’s worth tbh

[stoic needle]

i think it's pretty legit

i think doomblade can work in top, plaguefall, spires and SD but i've only tested it in pf and top

[balmy condor]

I think you’re pretty legit, without the legit

[eager delta]

smooth

[stoic needle]

someone said it worked pretty well for them in mists, which makes sense because there are some really fuckin annoying prio targets there

[wise fiber]

with ST talents?

[stoic needle]

[fleet anchor]

Mutilated Flesh General Kaal Parry
Man seeing this in the logs makes me ree a little bit... lol

[balmy condor]

Like rocky road ice cream

Without the rocks

[stoic needle]

nah you stick with ep and CT

[balmy condor]

And the road is newly paved

[stoic needle]

you might be able to get away with PB in TOP but i havent tested that

[wise fiber]

Sub or MA?

[stoic needle]

does it still parry?

subterfuge always

[balmy condor]

It’s a flesh party at auntie kaal’s

[nocturne hawk]

See we need Strikethrough 'x% chance to strikethrough parry/dodge'

[fleet anchor]

Happened to me tonight so does still parry lol

[balmy condor]

Shouldve leveled your dagger skill

[stoic needle]

weapon skill should stay in the pits of hell where it belongs

[lament mica]

wait, is that why ass rogues scaled well in bfa? cuz their dagger skill kept getting higher and higher?

[stoic needle]

picked the wrong race? yeah fuck you, enjoy doing 15% less damage than everyone else if you dont have the right weapon

[lament mica]

why did i jus call

shadowlands bfa

[stoic needle]

oh yeah and guess what, there is only 1 good weapon of your type for the first 3 raid tiers

and by the end of the game there are only 3 more viable ones

enjoy fighting your whole raid team for them

[balmy condor]

We scaled so good, so good that by the end of the expansion, we, oh corruptions

[stoic needle]

and they only drop once every 2 months

no i'm not salty at all

[eager delta]

Assa rogue and scaling in the same sentence? watch out you dont trigger some people lmao

[nocturne hawk]

weapons

[fleet anchor]

We scaled so good that even with 235986% of our best stat and every possible Haste proc and trinket of all time, we still got stomped by Warriors, Warlocks, Hunters, and Mages smh

Rogues always op though

🤔

[marble hemlock]

Any sbs deflects in chat?

[eager delta]

anymore scaled and we'd be a reptile

[marble hemlock]

Why is that even a thing...

[fleet anchor]

Deflects?

[balmy condor]

Larry?

[marble hemlock]

Yes

[balmy condor]

Parry?

Harry?

[fleet anchor]

Last I checked SBS was flagged as a melee ability

[balmy condor]

FROM 30 YARDS

MELEE

[marble hemlock]

https://clips.twitch.tv/WildPeacefulSaladFutureMan-Kgcxn4V7l76h3gR1

[lament mica]

I accidentally started a convo about bfa when I meant to say shadowlands

[balmy condor]

KOOOOOOOOOBBBBBBEEEEEEEEE

[fleet anchor]

lol no idea

[lament mica]

where did it go

[balmy condor]

Damn

[marble hemlock]

off screen

[lament mica]

off into the audience?

[balmy condor]

It’s like Star Trek in this bitch

They got the shields up

[fleet anchor]

Every part of it is flagged as Spell Type: Melee

So no idea

[marble hemlock]

i had it happen once or twice

[nocturne hawk]

[marble hemlock]

well i mean

you can also have sour

[nocturne hawk]

Big miss

[marble hemlock]

SF procs parried

sooo

[eager delta]

@marble hemlock what are your keybinds lol

that's wild

[marble hemlock]

i dont understand this game

[fleet anchor]

Well Sudden Fracture is flagged up really odd

Since it's a direct attack

[marble hemlock]

ye

but it doesnt flurry :<

[fleet anchor]

With the "treat as periodic" flag to keep it from being armor-mitigated

But somehow that doesn't make it avoid being parried

🍝

[marble hemlock]

while the ability that applies it

is a melee projectile physical hit

that can be deflected

[fleet anchor]

Apparently

[marble hemlock]

i dont think ive ever had a pistol shot or BTE deflected

so yeah idk man

[stoic needle]

[fleet anchor]

I think it's related to the fact that it actually fires a projectile component

Logs might give some more info

[marble hemlock]

its due to the change in cp generation

ive never had it happen before 905

ive had it happen multiple times since

[balmy condor]

Seal fate

Not sealing..... their fate

[marble hemlock]

also

why didnt they just change

the "generate 1cp" to "generates 2cp" and instead redesigned the entire ability to only generate CP on hit, not on cast, and then check for debuff first, but then it only works half the time....

[fleet anchor]

I mean, not to bash them too hard but honestly a lot of this stuff could have been prevented by a bit of testing

[stoic needle]

wait seal fate can get deflected?

[fleet anchor]

All this stuff is pretty easily reproducible

[stoic needle]

blizzard, testing changes?

[marble hemlock]

sure. but in this particular case... changing a "1" into a "2" without having to change anything mechanically wouldve gotten the exact result they wanted.

[stoic needle]

[fleet anchor]

But anyway

Deflect is just Parry

[marble hemlock]

just make it generate 2cp baseline, not 1. no "apply debuff first then energize" shenanigans necessary

[fleet anchor]

It actually is the same combat table entry iirc

Just displayed different

[marble hemlock]

ye i know. i just think its funny that only melee classes can have their ranged abilities deflected. ranged classes cannot

[fleet anchor]

Yeah I think this can happen on HotR and other Paladin ranged melee things

[marble hemlock]

yep

its the "melee projectile" thing

kind of a leftover from old deterrence

[fleet anchor]

Not totally sure why it doesn't happen on Pistol Shot tbh

[marble hemlock]

which was like the only ability in the game that would allow you to deflect ranged abilities as it gave 100% parry

[fleet anchor]

Because Pistol Shot doesn't have the cannot be avoided flags

[marble hemlock]

probably because its instant

and not a projectile

wouldnt be surprised if deep down theres a difference between "ranged attack cast by melee" and "melee attack with 20y range"

and PS is the latter or smth

[fleet anchor]

Yeah

Oh well

[marble hemlock]

but then youd still be able to get PS parries, and that doesnt happen either

in any case, just thought it was funny

[fleet anchor]

WoW works in mysterious ways

[marble hemlock]

when you get the SBS parry and it flies off to the edge of the world

[nocturne hawk]

I've gone thru a few logs, no bte or ps parry. Poison parry though lol

[fleet anchor]

Poison impacts are also considered Yellow Melee

For the purposes of combat systems

[marble hemlock]

yet they too dont flurry

i also honestly dont understand how a spike flying to a target 30y away allows me to flurry it in 8y around me

[fleet anchor]

haha

[marble hemlock]

but alas

[fleet anchor]

I mean I'm pretty sure that Blade Flurry just works on physical stuff by default unless they blacklist it

Hence the multitude of bugs with trinkets in the past

[marble hemlock]

yeah

like, any non-periodic non-white physical single-target hit

smth like that

[fleet anchor]

It's a melee ability remember! I mean just like that one patch where they messed up the Acrobatic Strike numbers and we had 40 yard range or whatever 🤣

[marble hemlock]

hmye

[fleet anchor]

That was good times

Maybe then we could compete with Mages for raid slots

[marble hemlock]

i think one of the funniest things to me was still

finding out about DP nightstalker snapshotting

and realizing it mustve been in the game for months

just that no one ever noticed

[fleet anchor]

lol that was pretty hilarious

I mean I shudder to think what would have happened if someone hadn't have caught the Exsang thing on beta

with SBS

[marble hemlock]

heh

i mean they wouldve just hotfixed it immediately

some stuff goes live that everyone knows is ridiculous

still remember how NA rogues got to have fun with echoing blades for 2-3hours

before they nerfed it

after it was busted as fuck on PTR for months

who wouldve thought an exponentially scaling aoe proc would be too powerful when you pull fairly big, esp when coupling it with bote 😄

[fleet anchor]

lol

Yeah the initial logs from that were hilarious

Also MA talent was just insanely huge for that with the first design

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[analog glade]

!guide

[faint harness]

Blizzard QA does bring me a hint of depression

[vital haven]

this year's q and a?

[faint harness]

Sbs has been fucked for sire denny for months, yet still no fix

Quality assurance

[vital haven]

oh you mean something else neveremind

[shadow helm]

BLIZZARD HEATERS?

[vital haven]

i mean shit some bugs are still in from alpha

[stoic needle]

I bet if they hadn't fired all of those people before SL launch they'd be able to fix these things in a more timely manner

[vital haven]

minor thing that i just thought about when you cc one of the mobs in HOA

and they just float up 6 feet into the air

thats shit been there since day one

[stoic needle]

I love that bug

[thick lodge]

anyone know if u run double potency on theotar over the vers buff?

[stoic needle]

I don't love that the last boss in spires is still fucking bugged

[stoic needle]

No, the vers buff is best, but the double potency can be nice if you need prio damage

[faint harness]

Random bugs in the game are less important imo. But having a shadowlands feature basically not work in entire phase of the first raid endboss is such bullshit

Every mirror entry it gets removed

[vital haven]

cos not working on phase 3 of massacre

thats also nice...

[faint harness]

I think thats deliberate

Only true immunity seems to work

[vital haven]

i mean why would it though its shadow damage

i mean maybe

[faint harness]

I dont know

But it seems like a blizz thing to do

[balmy condor]

Because fight 3 ez

Sire prog easier than slg prog

Stealth nerf the immunities

[stoic needle]

No, it's because fuck rogues

That's why

[faint harness]

It fucks hunters too

[stoic needle]

Interesting

[vital haven]

man sinfall is so cool

[stoic needle]

It's the best broom closet in the game

I love the death pit, the fact that it doesn't make my gfx card have an anyuerism, the 5 target dummies, and all the goth vampires

[dense hamlet]

u mean batman cave

[spice spire]

it's also where osh collects his referrals for sending everyone to the covenant :/

[stoic needle]

I should be getting paid tbh

[nocturne hawk]

Pay this man with another trial

[stoic needle]

[nocturne hawk]

and hold the pugs!

[dull osprey]

if Sepsis is <12s away from cd, do I hold it for the shiv or do I just shiv on cd? I know that shiv increases the damage, but idk if it's enough to hold

[stoic needle]

Yeah 12 seconds is the maximum amount of time you want to hold it I believe

Shiv or sepsis

[balmy condor]

The maximum you hold shiv for vendetta or sepsis I believe yeah

[fleet anchor]

I thought that only happened when you have Cheat Death

From the logs I had seen it’s just a Cheat Death bug rather than a cloak bug.

Unless it changed

[stoic needle]

If cloak worked on it wouldn't cheat not proc in the first place?

[vital haven]

imma have to go back and look at the log

[fleet anchor]

Normally yeah but the working theory was because the damage is higher than 2x max hp that Cheat spazzes out

But if there’s a log of it happening without Cheat I’d be interested to see

But whatever the reason is, I agree it’s annoying af lol

[strange python]

do you hold flag for vendetta

[fathom swift]

it also just goes through cloak tho

like if cloak worked the cheat bug wouldnt be relevant no?

[fleet anchor]

See my comment above

[nocturne hawk]

• flag/sepsis on cooldown, only sync if you know you are not missing a cast

[strange python]

k

[nocturne hawk]

Gotchu Whisp

[balmy condor]

:(

[fathom swift]

then why would that be different in p2 and p3?

[balmy condor]

I’m replacable

[nocturne hawk]

Just look at it as more time to sim

[balmy condor]

I did 6 hours of sims today

[nocturne hawk]

Productive day!

[hollow river]

o.o

[analog glade]

Why do a few people play elaborate planning?

[balmy condor]

Because it’s worse than blindside

In single target

[analog glade]

[spice spire]

Light day, huh?