Jelly
#assassination
knotty sparrow
static ore
Any idea why wowhead guide says craft on shoulders?
sleek sparrow
different writers with differnt opinions
balmy condor
also because it literally doesn't fucking matter
knotty sparrow
There are some nice vers haste gloves from m+ too but you gotta get lucky with the vault
Yeah
hollow escarp
You could simply yourself with both slots
sleek sparrow
the difference is extremely negligible depending on what content you do
hollow escarp
I had low ilvl hands so it was even better for me
static ore
If I don't have a lego would you say doom or Zold should be my first? It's been a while since I've played rogue, sorry for asking questions im sure have already been answered
limber lion
If I don't have a lego would you say doom or Zold should be my first? It's been ...
Depends on the content you do
static ore
likely raid, so I'm thinking doom for single target
knotty sparrow
Doomblade for ST zoldycks for aoe MA for PvP
limber lion
If you just want to raid, Doomblade is great. If you want to do am+ as well, Zoldyck is the play
knotty sparrow
Doomblade is fun af
static ore
what about zold for p3 sire?
limber lion
Doesn't matter in heroic/normal. It is generally considered bis for mythic yes.
knotty sparrow
Mut feels so much meatier
hollow escarp
Doesn't matter in heroic/normal. It is generally considered bis for mythic yes.
Can confirm, did 2 sire hc kills and had better dps on doomblade lol
patent plaza
I was looking at various builds but didn't see anything specific when to comes to talent choice or stat adjustments if using MA, do we follow the same stat priority and build for various situations?
prisma monolithBOT
void urchin
!guide
patent plaza
yeah I read those.. maybe I missed it..
static ore
Crit haste or vers haste?
static ore
kk
knotty sparrow
Vers haste if you want to do some PvP
livid temple
Right now I'm at 15% versa, I wish I could drop some of that for more haste or Crit. Right now the hardest thing about them adding in valor upgrades is actually getting your hands on the damn item..m
lament mica
leather is the worst
void urchin
Is there a bis list for assa
compact pumice
got mine for 35k
stoic needle
shadowghast ring stilll 70k 
compact pumice
Cloth is apparently highest
stoic needle
cloth is by far the cheapest on my server
dense hamlet
stoic needle
we are absolutely gaming now bois
tender fjord
Congrats!
livid temple
Right now to have my 'bis' I need the chest from ToP, the neck from SoA, and the phial
tender fjord
Right now to have my 'bis' I need the chest from ToP, the neck from SoA, and the...
You need premium to do that sim right?
Or did it manually?
stoic needle
premium is so worth it tbh
livid temple
@stoic needle you better blast, my guild wants to unbench me because they see how much boss damage Sin does, and get this, I might even be getting one of our 4 DKs spots :O
stoic needle
4 dks 
livid temple
With premium, our guild shares an account
stoic needle
steal that spot brother
tender fjord
premium is so worth it tbh
I just don’t see enough benefits to justify subscribing
But guild acc sounds nice
stoic needle
the time saved is worth the $3 a month
being able to run 4 sims at once and not wait in any queues is big
on tuesdays i run a dslice sim and patchwerk sim at the same time for my vault
also the larger combination limits for bigger sims
tender fjord
I’m never that in a hurry 😅
But seems nice
Larger combo limit is huge tbf
I want to try all my trinkets for once haha
fathom swift
i leech off shared raidbots accounts, but if i didnt i would 100% pay for it
compact pumice
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
normal mist
Is theotar the best m+ choice for aoe?
stoic needle
yep
stray mural
I just don’t see enough benefits to justify subscribing
The time you save from simming is crazy. I’ve been thinking about it just tonight and thought wow I could’ve simmed 5 times while waiting for this one.
compact pumice
!opener
livid temple
!closer
ebon bramble
no need to sim if you dont get gear
odd flax
sim is telling me to ambush after vanish, using doomblade. is that right?
tribal marlin
You are probably miss-interpreted the sim
torn atlas
The time you save from simming is crazy. I’ve been thinking about it just tonigh...
You could still do 5 at once if you just open up 5 tabs.
tribal marlin
sim is telling me to ambush after vanish, using doomblade. is that right?
maybe the engine is using ambush because it has a blindside proc
torn atlas
I'll admit, new cov, buffs, new gear, all been tempting me to just pay for premium.
lament mica
yes
go on WCL and look at the diff bosses
only fight I was surprised outlaw was ahead was innerva, but I guess some guilds aren't immuning th adds as much as they could do / getting unlucky
torn atlas
How does immuning the adds work? Just cloak or vanish when you have the circle?
polar willow
anyone got a WA for mutilated flesh? its not in the afenar group
lament mica
How does immuning the adds work? Just cloak or vanish when you have the circle?
no, by the time u have the circle is too late. u need to cloak as the mechanic is going out
pre-cloak
quasi ledge
How does immuning the adds work? Just cloak or vanish when you have the circle?
@torn atlas
Bubble/Cloak/Reflect before adds come in
lament mica
if u cloak while u alrady have the circle, the add just spawns instantly and its worse actually
torn atlas
hahah actually, now you mention it, I do remember doing that once and our raid lead was confused how the add appeared so quick.
lament mica
torn atlas
I of course did not own up to what I had done.
lament mica
blame the hunter
stoic needle
it's always the hunter's fault 🙂
rapid laurel
212 assa rogue doing 5.9k overall in a 15 mists and a 222 mage doing 6.2k overall, I live for these moments
tacit forum
Fairrrrr
rapid laurel
Mages need to BURN
ebon bramble
🤔 assassination in mythic CN logs are like going up every day lol
lament mica
facts?
ebon bramble
observation
cloud dune
every time someone says CN, I think China
tacit forum
Can’t wait to get my Venthyr renown lvl 6 next week
silent tinsel
why is plaguefall a pain to get in
ebon bramble
stoic needle
10th percentile 
lament mica
look at ST mythic bosses if u wanna see impressive assassination stuff on wcl
oblique copper
meaning you can get some damage out of rogue even if completely braindead
lament mica
why r u looking at meme shit lol
oblique copper
I always knew
ebon bramble
meaning you can get some damage out of rogue even if completely braindead
exactly
daring tundra
Show us the real mans data ... LFR
ebon bramble
i looked at normal
we #1
easy content is great for assassination. once things get hard, things get bad apparently
daring tundra
Harder to maintain dots when shits hitting the fan I guess
stoic needle
It's not tbh
ebon bramble
still not good enough ugh cant even beat fire mages
lament mica
lol im not saying no to myself, im saying no to u by quoting myself but it is funnier ur way of interpreting it
hungering has a lot of melee downtime
look at shriekwing
lament mica
does cloak even last that long? and the other mechanic can still pull u off the boss
stoic needle
All of the st bosses have downtime at some point
slow marsh
but why would you cloak consumption when you have to cloak orbs
oblique copper
a second of consumption or so will touch you yes
nocturne hawk
Why cloak orbs when you can just proc cheat!
oblique copper
orbs don't even hit hard
gloomy fern
ebon bramble
im going to assume tho that the top specs at those max results have PI?
stoic needle
99% chance
lament mica
stop looking at max anyway
tender fjord
doomblade in mists is pretty neat
lament mica
thats literally the memiest thing cuz its with all buffs and super high luck just look at like 95
tacit forum
What should we complain about now?
lament mica
tender fjord
What should we complain about now?
scaling no longer being a thing
somber hill
does crimson tempest plus doomblade single target seem viable at all?
ebon bramble
well at least you finally beat fire mages, grats
ebon bramble
ass scales like ass
tender fjord
does crimson tempest plus doomblade single target seem viable at all?
its my image haha, boomie was 226
somber hill
wondering if CT + Rup + Gar + SBS + mutilate bleed = 25% enven dmg
tender fjord
ct doesnt count iirc, rest does
stoic needle
does crimson tempest plus doomblade single target seem viable at all?
Not in raids
CT does count
But it's still worse than pb with doom
stoic needle
No
fallow otter
Yeh it won't
somber hill
i mean i get rlllly high haste as venthyr
fallow otter
Because secondaries have hard DR
somber hill
as we power creep thru the xpac i can see it happening
same reason why elaborate planning is always bad at start of expac and good at the end
fallow otter
It's still not even close to the amount I was rocking at the end of bfa lol
stoic needle
We simmed it and exsang is worse than alacrity at 127% haste which is the maximum you can get
somber hill
right but ur nowhere near the flat hste dr
daring tundra
2 leggos we can do zoldyck + doomblade too
stoic needle
Zoldyck+doomblade would be omega pog
somber hill
more bleed execute, lots of stuff to consider
ebon bramble
i prefer dash
daring tundra
And zoldyck will make the doomblade bleed do more damage .. good synergy
ebon bramble
dashing scoundrel for more energy
somber hill
i can imagine that Zold/Doom will be super pog
I think Dash will fall off super hard
somber hill
as we get more crit regularly
ebon bramble
😮
stoic needle
That's the main dps benefit from it
ebon bramble
maybe our set bonus be lile
somber hill
return to legion rogue
ebon bramble
critical strike damage of envenom increased by 50%
somber hill
MA Lego + Nightstalker envenss...
stoic needle
Doomblade+dashing good lord
viral vigil
Reminds me taht I need to start moving towards crafting Doomblades instead of Dashing.
somber hill
and zold/boots
tired citrus
flaggelation is supposed to be paired with vendetta or just use on cd?
ebon bramble
envenom be hitting hard as fuck
stoic needle
flaggelation is supposed to be paired with vendetta or just use on cd?
Use on CD
100k envenoms 
somber hill
i can see that being viable once 2 legoos are back
sharp pawn
so is assa good in m+ or do i just keep playin secret tech sub MA
viral vigil
For Sludgefist progression I should save Flag and Vendetta for first and third pillar right?
oblique copper
so is assa good in m+ or do i just keep playin secret tech sub MA
play outlaw
somber hill
NS+MA Lego + Zoldyck/Vendetta reset
stoic needle
Sin is overall better than sub in m+
sharp pawn
i wont touch outlaw ^^
oblique copper
no point in other specs in m+ sadly
stoic needle
I mean I got Ksm as sin so
daring tundra
I got ksm as sub 😎
indigo mulch
You know i was so excited and happy that i was going to play assassination again, then our tank decides to go healer and now they are bullying me to paly brewmaster :c
indigo mulch
Sing it brother!
stoic needle
Our time has come
daring tundra
Stealth your way past the haters brother
somber hill
tthe problem with doomblade is it falls off hard with more targets, i can see the general play being MA + Zoldyck, Zoldyck + Vendetta Reset, MA + Vendetta reset for general purposes play
ebon bramble
Sin is overall better than sub in m+
too bad they fail in comparison to outlaw
stoic needle
I wouldn't really call it fail though
somber hill
once 2 legos
indigo mulch
Unless your doing +25 keys assassination is fine.
ebon bramble
me no like outlaw, buttons too fast
somber hill
give us back combo points on garrote
vivid tulip
They just need to make vendetta a self buff
stoic needle
Echoing blades pls
somber hill
They just need to make vendetta a self buff
we would be wayyyyyyy too op
the design of Vendetta is built so it remains a pure single target cooldown
stoic needle
we would be wayyyyyyy too op
Even with self buff vend we'd be worse than boonies and fire mage in aoe
stoic needle
I want vein rippers from torghast to replace exsang
somber hill
you would play vendetta reset in keys
indigo mulch
Legit though, people are talking about "oh outlaw is so much better" but does it really matter unless your pushing extreme keys? 😐
oblique copper
they need to buff bleed damage and make it so you can have ct and bomb at the same time
ebon bramble
its ok balance and fire will be nerfed buffed in 9.1
stoic needle
and u could pull around our CD
Sounds good to me 
somber hill
and then u would just pull around us when tthe mage doesnt have bust
wwould be sick
but again we would be too powerful in both areas ST and aoe
lament mica
Legit though, people are talking about "oh outlaw is so much better" but does it...
facts but 25s might be an exaggeration lol
indigo mulch
facts but 25s might be an exaggeration lol
Trueeeee, but you get my point. :X
stoic needle
The top sin rogue on Rio is doing 22s and 23s
ebon bramble
Legit though, people are talking about "oh outlaw is so much better" but does it...
well depends. you are running with 4 other ppl. if those 4 are playing min/max and want to get keys done fast and efficient and you (or my lazy ass) are being like "meh" and doing half the dps, is it fair really?
🤔
ive always wondered this actually
somber hill
If they made subterfuge also give an extra CP for garrote when used from stealth like the BFA trait we would be rlly strong in m+ i feel
that plus MA lego
ebon bramble
then again, am lazy, dragging groups down is no problem to me
stoic needle
Sin could be really the play for tyrannical weeks going forward
indigo mulch
If your just doing 15~18 keys (most people don't go over 15) assassination is 100% fine.
somber hill
triple garrote -->CT--> vanish-->Fan---->CT--Fan---CT-- rup rup rup
ebon bramble
but if you are topping the meters as assassination, should the party be ashamed? 🤔
tacit forum
Sort of?
indigo mulch
I dunno should they? D:
tacit forum
We lack aoe for sure
indigo mulch
Thats a big rip
ebon bramble
🤔
or balance druid
🤔
i shame my friend who is a balanced druid whenever i beat him
"press convoke harder scrub"
indigo mulch
I mean balance druids are amazing on tyrannical weeks 😄
bosses just disappers with their burst lul
oblique copper
they are amazing on any week and in pretty much every content (maybe not in the arena though, I don't know much about it)
insane st burst, uncapped aoe, unmatched utility
ranged
oblique copper
I'm sure they are
ebon bramble
got to double down
whats ahead stays further ahead
blizzard roleplaying capitalism
oblique copper
funny thing is blizzard took the only utility feral had left and gave it to the owls to play with as well
like they needed more stuff
lament mica
its not even like ppl just take boomies for dam. trees are insane for necrotic week / certain pulls
and other pretty strong utility
offheals/decurse/soothe/brez
cloud dune
blizzard has been all in on druids for a while now
lament mica
idk about that. feral is insane ST, but besides that its not like the other 3 specs are in amazing spots (mostly talking guardian/resto)
dim shoal
Can someone on desktop pls tell me if the rank 1 assa rogue gets PI or something? Cause he has a huge dps lead over everyone
And he is running EP Vigor
dim shoal
Oh okay then nvm
ebon bramble
if rogues could have one raid utility, wonder what it could be?
i feel like should just be like some sort of smoke bomb that reduces damage taken or something 🤔
stoic needle
Raidwide crit chance buff
stoic needle
Why not both tbh
stoic needle
I think they should double up on all utility
dim shoal
Imagine if smoke bomb worked like pvp smoke bomb for raid
stoic needle
Multiple classes get physical damage buff, magic damage buff, aoe Dr, etc
dim shoal
Rogue would be insane. For m+ and raid
lament mica
screw shoehorning more buffs into ther game. rogues "utility" should just be doing 1k more dps than any other class
torn atlas
But then I would just get benched for being a bad player and couldn't blame the class design.
stoic needle
screw shoehorning more buffs into ther game. rogues "utility" should just be doi...
I mean yeah I would love this but I don't trust blizzard to tune things properly
inner granite
I mean yeah I would love this but I don't trust blizzard to tune things properly
That’s honestly the best way to balance it if the don’t want to give out equal utility. Raid utility to class that bring it should be assigned a dos value, those that don’t bring utility should do more dps
inner granite
Otherwise you get raiders continuing to stack unholy dk’s even though they aren’t S tier dps anymore
sharp pawn
do i go CT in m+
ebon bramble
I mean yeah I would love this but I don't trust blizzard to tune things properly
whats hilarious is that rogue dps is much lower than classes with utility 😆
you'd think ppl at blizzard would wisen up to this
but hey, buff mages and druids i guess
lean fossil
i find it better for m+s
stoic needle
Sepsis was boring
The soulbinds were op
Flag is just the best rogue covenant ability hands down atm
sharp pawn
when do i use CT
stoic needle
Maybe sbs is close I haven't tried the new one
balmy condor
do we hold flag for vendetta/vanish?
only if you don't miss a cast
stoic needle
when do i use CT
Keep it up as much as possible even on single target, but don't refresh during shiv
tacit forum
@balmy condor why is everyone saying that you have been spicy lately?
lean fossil
if venth had the soulbinds of nf it would be so op
balmy condor
<@!167090536602140682> why is everyone saying that you have been spicy lately?
is that what they've been saying 
idk, I've been a little stressed lately
lean fossil
i like flag, makes the spec feel fun and exciting when it goes off, but i miss the burrs lol
tacit forum
is that what they've been saying <:lul:585739277548388352>
😮 lets spicy up then
fathom swift
patches are stressful man
changes every few hours
gotta keep up with sim updates and hotfixes and bugs and apl optimizations
stoic needle
Yeah
lament mica
is that what they've been saying <:lul:585739277548388352>
naw, wat the ppl have been saying is that ur guild needs to start mythic w/ the realm open
stoic needle
balmy condor
naw, wat the ppl have been saying is that ur guild needs to start mythic w/ the ...
yo true, we don't pug tho
lean fossil
grats!
split veldt
m+'s my dps is lower now as venth for overall
still running zold for M+?
stoic needle
yo true, we don't pug tho
RH all sin rogue raid when
lean fossil
also who do you guys use for m+'s maybe im just dumb on who im running
stoic needle
I've been running nadjia for tyrannical
split veldt
theo
stoic needle
I'll do theotar next week on fort
silent tinsel
Change to outlaw lootspec on plaguefall to remove one of the daggers from your loot table
stoic needle
Outlaw loot spec actually has less of a chance of looting Phial than sin
64 items vs 62
But that pox though
What leggo do we run on sun king mythic? 
ebon bramble
I'll do theotar next week on fort
how bad is theotar for single target?
stoic needle
Hm I'd have to check I don't know off top
lament mica
the last thing is the best part of nad
dense hamlet
euphoria + flag at the same time 
stoic needle
20% haste for 10sec every 80 sec
yep, basically sometimes it's completely useless and other times it's a really sick haste boost to keep your rotation going
stoic needle
euphoria + flag at the same time <:poggers:652288776021999626>
i had this line up on H denathrius the other day
hooomygod
dense hamlet
yeah it lines up one some bosses
stoic needle
i have never gotten 30 flag stacks so fast before
dense hamlet
its pretty sick when it does
marsh yew
do I just need one sword to be able to play outlaw or do I need two?
nocturne hawk
Or mace
marsh yew
ty 🙂
hidden crypt
hey guys, just leveled my rogue to 60 and learning assa (usually main feral) and i was wondering a bit about m+. will i be completely useless and need to play outlaw or is it fine all the way until +17s or so?
ebon bramble
yep, basically sometimes it's completely useless and other times it's a really s...
i see XD
slow marsh
CT is gain for hunts right?
stoic needle
hey guys, just leveled my rogue to 60 and learning assa (usually main feral) and...
it's fine to 17s for sure but it will be slightly harder to get into groups
people are meta slaves
but i bet you know that already as feral 😛
hidden crypt
ah yeah, feral meta atm is spec boomie until 5 seconds before the key starts
then they're stuck with you haha
stoic needle
slow marsh
i'm so close to 2nd dps on hunts on my first mythic attempt
dense narwhal
Are y'all stoked about being dope again?
safe barn
Do i ignore the Ambush proc on sepsis?
safe barn
stocked about doing 20k opener on m+ with pride and lust ❤️
how does it feel on packs
burnt star
farming plaguefall 12-15.. so shit dies fast
dense narwhal
got some doom to makeee
burnt star
with cd u do nice on pack.. without cd.. its just meh.. haha
but on boss ❤️
by meh.. 3 pack mob u can still do 6-7k
nothing to brag
but man. im tired of plaguefalllll...
25 RUN
SEEN PHIAL ONCE
come on
dense narwhal
Lol
dense narwhal
Sin is just so intuitive...
dense narwhal
acrobatic strikes is bae
You're not wrong
placid dawn
we finish at 5+ CP with DS right?
dense narwhal
Sustained cleave thoughhhh...
burnt star
10-20 sec pack...
i was considering spamming +2-4 . then realised how newb people are sometime.. and it took longer then 14-15
ebon bramble
Sin is just so intuitive...
but its weak tho 😦
burnt star
weak is relative though
dense narwhal
So...
burnt star
depend on who ur teamed with
if ur with a mage/boomie. they delete pack most of the time.
and u pump boss
balmy condor
yes
burnt star
u do keep ct in st in m+
balmy condor
but you use it in place of an envenom
burnt star
^
balmy condor
no, it's just as stupid
burnt star
crit is bae in m+
balmy condor
the usage of corruption crimson tempest is identical to m+ now
dense narwhal
Poison bomb 1 target?
balmy condor
you take pb single target yeh
dense narwhal
And crimson target for cleave and aoe? (2+ targets)
balmy condor
yes
balmy condor
dense hamlet
@balmy condor i dont see anyone take ct for cleave like why isnt that a thing ? is that idk like dps loss cuz of gcd or
i would assume its good for fights like sire and inerva maybe?
balmy condor
you take it on huntsman
but there's no point taking it on sire
there's so much single target on sire
all the adds are dead instantly
dense hamlet
hmm
dense narwhal
Sin is ranking 2nd overall on a few fights I raid, are we that awesome now?
Or just hype
balmy condor
yes
dense narwhal
I might have to officially recommit to sin!
ebon bramble
Or just hype
pure hype
dense narwhal
Mount gay rum
Lol how about when my loot spec to outlaw for my vault this week. RIPPPP
marsh yew
so uhh what patch are they making it so every spec can use the same type of weapons for rogues 😦
balmy condor
none
dense hamlet
never
marsh yew
feelsbadman
safe barn
yo @balmy condor do i ignore the ambush proc on sepsis?
balmy condor
yes
dense hamlet
if u know u wont miss a flag cast cuz of fight timer hold for vend
reef axle
Only thing I’m having Trouble to is adjusting to deeper strat, overall dps increase but the energy regen on the opener before flag feels bad
daring tundra
Anyone know why limit max is levelling a rogue? Limit predicting sin gonna be good for new raid?
dim shoal
you take it on huntsman
I don’t see many logs taking CT for huntsman mythic
reef axle
Pre much
dense bramble
Sin is ranking 2nd overall on a few fights I raid, are we that awesome now?
Where can we see that ranking?
strange python
dim shoal
Probably because barghast uptime is pretty low
wise gull
Where can we see that ranking?
not totally accurate but we're pretty giga on boss dam
woven hound
can someone clarify the following from the icyveins guide please?
If you fight 5 or more targets, do not use Garrote at all. Multi-DoT only with Rupture to gain extra energy through Venomous Wounds.
does this also apply to subterfuge buffed initial garrotes on 3 targets?
fathom swift
not totally accurate but we're pretty giga on boss dam
did you just take the one %ile where assa is top
marble hemlock
can someone clarify the following from the icyveins guide please?
If you fight ...
No it doesnt.
nocturne hawk
Only min 10th 99th and max sin isn't top on boss dam
marble hemlock
I'm also not 100% anymore on whether the quoted line you posted still applies, as garrote does have a fairly decent DPE now. On high target counts the much lower CP generation of Garrote is most likely worth less than the extra CP gained from using Fok instead and maintaining an extra Rupture or two (which has higher DPE than any other finisher besides CT)
woven hound
thanks man, the math behind it was exactly what i was looking for to help wrap my head around it
marble hemlock
I'd have to write a custom APL to check the difference between using Garrote only during Subterfuge and using it as a "builder" as well. The default APL still heavily utilizes garrote that way, the way I used to play the spec (before Shadowlands) it was never worth it due to azerite traits and us running very low haste
wise gull
did you just take the one %ile where assa is top
that's damage to boss on all bosses
i always use 95th percentile
marble hemlock
I C Y V E I N S
dunno if theres anything in particular you object to in the guide or youre just joking/memeing :<
deep pilot
why sin rogue not using ambush ?
drifting cloud
!bs
prisma monolithBOT
Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
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marble hemlock
mutilate can generate more CP and has a chance to proc a free ambush due to us talenting blindside
wise gull
did you just take the one %ile where assa is top
also assa is top on everything except 99th percentile
deep pilot
mutilate can generate more CP and has a chance to proc a free ambush due to us t...
thanks man
marble hemlock
thanks man, the math behind it was exactly what i was looking for to help wrap m...
ill run some sims real quick to see a rough ballpark, but theres definitely a point where fok becomes a much more efficient builder than garrote in terms of overall dmg. that threshold will be different based on the amount of crit you have, and the amount of targets youre fighting
sharp pawn
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
ebon bramble
not totally accurate but we're pretty giga on boss dam
now we just need AOE so we can m+ as well XD
marble hemlock
threshold right now seems to be at 6-7targets
not 5 as written in the guide. ill update it accordingly
thanks for pointing it out 🙂
dense hamlet
http://puu.sh/HoG6K/04b4b19711.png
do u think is it worth to garrote and like low cp rupture on huntsman shades for doomblade buff on maybe 2 envenoms ? probably not right?
marble hemlock
theres probably some optimizations that can be made to use garrote as a final CP for example, but the problem with assa on aoe is that it constantly shifts between two modes, where you want to maintain a strong energy flow to spam abilities, but also use the highest damaging abilities each global cooldown, and you have to find a balance between those two
no idea djavad
i dont think ill ever play doomblade
dense hamlet
k
marble hemlock
is dps on the shades a big problem for your raid?
marble hemlock
yeah
dense hamlet
is it even worth for me to switch
marble hemlock
theres no reason ,really
just passively cleave and continue hitting the boss imo
they die so quickly, i wouldnt do anything but cast CT on them, honestly
dense hamlet
yeah true
dense hamlet
euphoria lining up with all that is pretty bonkers
stoic needle
106% haste
slow marsh
let's fkn go bois xD
plush bronze
ilvl parses arent really relevant
icy crater
hover over it how many logs 🙂
icy crater
xd
slow marsh
217-219
plush bronze
kekw
slim wagon
which camp do i believe? Parse% or ilvl Parse? i've been told both are dogshit and I should look at the other one!
icy crater
whoever told you to look at ilvl instead of overall
has absolutely no idea what they're talking about
Their brain is in a different galaxy
plush bronze
if anyone seriously told you to look at ilvl parse they were either memeing or dont know anything about logs
marble hemlock
ilvl are generally not used for much, and overall parses are only worth something if your gear is good enough to be able to compete with rogues that have very good gear
at ilvl 215, you wont be able to compete with people that have 225+ of course
icy crater
There's a lot that goes into parsing tbh
slim wagon
my personal opinion is to go with which ever shows im performing better 😄
icy crater
You can't look at 1 number and tell if you're playing correctly or not
marble hemlock
and ilvl parses are hard to compare because 2 people can have the same average ilvl, but vastly different dps potential
i.e. someone with ilvl 220 weapons vs someone with ilvl 200 weapons, but having same average ilvl
oak jungle
I couldnt find reference to it on wowhead but do you mut at 4 cp with deeper strat or do you only finish on 5+?
assuming shiv on cd
icy crater
finish at max - 1 if your next global would be mut
if you have 2 cp until max, cast mut
oak jungle
cheers
dense bramble
for torghast we run zoldyck or doomblade?
marble hemlock
should also check your energy and garrote duration, i.e. you might sit on 5cp but garrote is close to being within pandemic. at that points its better to pool energy, cast garrote once its down to <5.4sec, and finish with 6cp
wise gull
ilvl parses are a meme but they can give you a rough idea if you're on the right track or not
like if your ilvl parse is really low there are definitely problems going on
slow marsh
Yeah i was memeing not serious
tribal marlin
Yeah i was memeing not serious
I believe parses in general are a meme
Like do a simple game. Take all 250 first parses on a shit boss like Shriek or Hungering.
Then investigate into personnals logs of these guys, take a look at personnals uses, potions/hs, deaths, damage taken, replays for movement / placement etc...
Everytime you find something definitely wierd, remove the guy from the list.
Facts is that you mighgt end up having very very very few people remaining in your list.
pulsar orbit
so general question, sorry if this isnt the appropriate place for it, but is Assassination generally doing better since the patch?
wise gull
A great parser isn't necessarily a great player, but a great player will probably be a great parser
tribal marlin
And the worst part, is that you could possibly even find better player that litterally never ended up in the top250 parses, just because they litterally don't care about parses :/
wise gull
Doing sick dam is just a small part of being a great player
cloud dune
there's a guy I used to raid with who always gets 99 parses, but they refuse to do mechanics
honest lake
@balmy condor is it worth to go ST with doom for 16+ keys more on tyrannical?
wise gull
I refuse to do mechanics on heroic
wise gull
that's on the tanks
silent tinsel
dogshit encounter
prisma monolithBOT
reef axle
!guide
stoic needle
<@!167090536602140682> is it worth to go ST with doom for 16+ keys more on tyran...
only for certain dungeons where you pull small. your talents dont change regardless. i've tested doomblade on tyrannical and so far i'd only recommend using it in top and plaguefall
icy crater
osh you run ep ct subter?
stoic needle
yeah
reef axle
the fact i picked vers over crit for gloves to make haste vers for pve is not a bad thing is it >.<? all i see on most gloves is crit haste
stoic needle
no its not
all it does is change the gear that ends up being bis for you
at worst its like a 10 dps difference
mystic island
how bad is necrolord for ass?
reef axle
true which is about .1
mystic island
but if i were to min max assassination for raid?
stoic needle
i sit at about 30% haste in combat with alacrity up and then even more with thrill seeker or flag
i have like 50% haste pretty frequently
stoic needle
but if i were to min max assassination for raid?
you'd probably want to go venthyr
mystic island
im trying to balance whether or not i go back to venthyr if i wanna switch to assassination from outlaw
stoic needle
venthyr is pretty amazing for sin and still solid for outlaw
you can't go wrong with it imo
wooden dawn
in the NW route it seems like the MA talent doesnt work either
stoic needle
the ma talent never worked with NW weapons
wooden dawn
pepehands
stoic needle
!oil
prisma monolithBOT
Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ
mystic island
i honestly like the new change for necrolord tho so im debating even switching to assassination
severe shuttle
ty oshosi
stoic needle
personally i think that the difference between agi pots and stones and phantom fire/shadowcore oil on the sim isn't enough to warrant the variance of phantom fire pots in practice
wise fiber
Question. on Tyranical is ok to go with Doomblade? with st talents? or something similar?
stoic needle
their damage is very inconsistent
stoic needle
Question. on Tyranical is ok to go with Doomblade? with st talents? or something...
i think it works in some dungeons where you pull small like top or pf but zold is still better overall. you never change talents though except maybe vigor over mfd
iron sierra
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery
wise fiber
i think it works in some dungeons where you pull small like top or pf but zold i...
Thx!
severe shuttle
yeah phantoms are kinda funky
would rather the consistency of agi if they are that close in averages
stoic needle
yeah pretty much
mystic island
so with assassination basically being as good as outlaw now is there an overall best still?
stoic needle
pots and stones gang 
stoic needle
so with assassination basically being as good as outlaw now is there an overall ...
sin seems to be notably better for single target damage but outlaw is still the aoe king
mystic island
per usual
severe shuttle
also MA killing spree gives boner
stoic needle
it's not bad though, they use the same gear except weapons
wise fiber
Another question. what would be the opener with Ma on Mplus?
stoic needle
sin and law both love haste crit and vers
severe shuttle
ya feels noice
stoic needle
Another question. what would be the opener with Ma on Mplus?
same as normal. 3x garotte fok ct then spread ruptures
torpid spoke
Dopamine hit is good. But when out damage boomkin single target as sin
Also feels good
oblique copper
Outlaw loot spec actually has less of a chance of looting Phial than sin
what why
stoic needle
because of the one handed weapons in the dungeon outlaw has 2 more possible loot choices
severe shuttle
those stupid chickens will get what's coming to them
torpid spoke
Boil em mash em stick em ina stew
stoic needle
i literally did 13k burst on 3rd boss of pf a few minutes ago
lust, flag, thrill seeker, vendetta, no agi pot
torpid spoke
Lashings + vendetta is so good
stoic needle
with doomblade
torpid spoke
So on sludge, lashings comes up before 2nd pillar
cloud dune
I'm running master assassin right now.
stoic needle
i had 106% haste 
torpid spoke
Is it worth to wait
If you pop cd in beginning, hold lashings for charge into 2nd pillar?
stoic needle
nah exsang is garbage now
nocturne hawk
exsang dog
stoic needle
i'm not sure about sludge timings tbh @limber lion care to comment?
placid dawn
whats the dps difference between sing flag on cd and saving for vendetta?
torpid spoke
Vendetta with flag is nutty because the lashes and shadow damage per combo point
strange python
is it actually worth holding flag for vendetta at any point after your opener on pull
oblique copper
because of the one handed weapons in the dungeon outlaw has 2 more possible loot...
I don't understand, there is only a single sword in the PF loottable, as well as a dagger. All other loot is the same. They should have the same chances, no?
icy ember
and what about subterfuge vs master assassin? the talent choices
i figure if you are using MA obviously you dont, but ill be using zoldycks
severe shuttle
@stoic needle this advanced sim for oil/pot/food says all are negative dmg? me confuse me brain no worky good
strange python
I thought outlaw can't loot daggers
at all
like ur spec has to be set to sub or sin
oblique copper
yes
icy ember
well if you spec to something else you can loot daggers? 
you can be outlaw but spec for sub/sin
strange python
yeah I've had my loot spec set to sin for two weeks now
trying to get daggers
just gonna say phuck it and pvp 
stoic needle
I don't understand, there is only a single sword in the PF loottable, as well as...
you know what, my bad, i was confusing the vault loot with the actual dungeon loot
strange python
trying to swap to sin but I need the weps
stoic needle
it's the same chance to loot it from the dungeon, but less chance from the vault
oblique copper
ah, it's just that I was scared of farming pf the wrong way
stoic needle
<@!502859708504342538> this advanced sim for oil/pot/food says all are negative ...
post a link to the sim?
severe shuttle
severe shuttle
oh so the baseline is just the setup that simc defaults to?
stoic needle
yeah
balmy condor
oh so the baseline is just the setup that simc defaults to?
simc baseline is phantom fire, feast, double stone, so that's what your profile is
strange python
do u guys run phantom fire or spectral agility in raid
stoic needle
i'll let you guess
echo cargo
agi + stones for prog
severe shuttle
simc baseline is phantom fire, feast, double stone, so that's what your profile ...
yeah makes sense now, tyty 🙂
balmy condor
simc baseline is phantom fire, feast, double stone, so that's what your profile ...
which is also why the fire feast stone/stone combination is -1 (equal) to your setup
echo cargo
phantom fire for random farm to rng a parse
strange python
I can never decide what to pick
I like taking phantom fires in tyrannical weeks on m+
because prideful makes those things do stupid dmg
stoic needle
personally i think that the difference between agi pots and stones and phantom f...
@strange python .
frigid kestrel
Ok Sludge, Am i doing Quantum on pull, Vendetta on 1st Pillar and then both on 3rd with hero and pots?
or am i just blasting everything on the first pillar
slow marsh
save everything for 1st pillar
frigid kestrel
Gotcha i was thinking with the 3 minute CD Quantum and Vendetta would line up on 3rd with hero and be worth. But i guess since its gonna give me haste it wouldnt matter since hero is there, ye?
torpid spoke
Depends on how many pillars you’re doing
If you’re doing all 4 then you do: pull, 2nd and 4th pillar
If you do 3 you do 1st and 3rd
subtle imp
!bis
slow marsh
I mean the real play would be to swap to a diff trinket as long as it's not that much less dps overall
icy crater
ToP is weird, not a lot of bigger pulls for CT
stoic needle
I'm tempted to try poison bomb there but idk
icy crater
yeah idk
frigid kestrel
I mean the real play would be to swap to a diff trinket as long as it's not that...
Cube is BIS tho, what would i even swap to?
slow marsh
well i mean like if you have mythic skulker or just anything that lines up better on pillars then that would be better for that particular instance
due to the increased damage
frigid kestrel
Ahh, gotcha makes sense
lament mica
226 badge is pretty good
slow marsh
ToP is weird, not a lot of bigger pulls for CT
top is prolly our best dungeon since you can just go full ST and smash
lament mica
u have it for every pillar
slow marsh
I need a 15 SD to full upgrade and im debating if its worth to get it this week or just wait
sick scarab
so guys i missed somethign.. shapr stone + agi pots is the way ?
placid snow
Morning, just come back. How's assassination across the board now?
molten beacon
May you help me?
I m lost, actually Night Fae. I play outlaw for Dungeon and would play assa in raid ... Necro or Venthyr or I stay as I am ?
primal zinc
well
sick scarab
i am fae and i prefer over venthir.. they are near.. choose the playstile you like more imho
dense hamlet
yeah u can stay nf or choose to do more as sin and lose abit for mplus as outlaw
or go necro and gain as outlaw and lose on st
btw if u play outlaw in raid aswell its pretty sick with necro
balmy condor
Morning, just come back. How's assassination across the board now?
Very good
primal zinc
May you help me?
I m lost, actually Night Fae. I play outlaw for Dungeon and wou...
i play venthyr since day 1...cos i like the scaling of the haste....nowdays lashing scars is very powerfull even in m+ cos you start flag with 5% haste already....on the other hand sepsis has 2 things....1 gets effected rfom mastery(which is worse stat but still dps) 2 free ambush....personally i would tell you to plat whatever suits your playstyle...both are good and the diffrence is less than 3% on dps....if you ask me tho...i would tell you to go venthyr
dense hamlet
depends if h focuses on outlaw or assa
balmy condor
Hello Whispyr, are you back full time Sin or still Sub / Sin ?
I haven’t played sub since the 8% aura buff from like 7-8 weeks ago
calm dome
Oh Nice.
dense hamlet
sub=
calm dome
I went Outlaw a while ago before even the first 5% Sin buff
primal zinc
depends if h focuses on outlaw or assa
i dont know exactly about outlaws hste gain tbh but i play venthyr as outlaw in m+ and its doing good....you can check the other chats pins tho yo check your self what best for outlaws
dense hamlet
i dont know exactly about outlaws hste gain tbh but i play venthyr as outlaw in ...
ik but necro is a more gain for ol than venthyr sbs affected by bs and flurry is big and u can play a reset game with it like mfd breath
molten beacon
depends if h focuses on outlaw or assa
I love rogue in all specs, I always play the best. That s why I can switch
molten beacon
My problem is that I doing the booth
dense hamlet
or if both probably better to stay nf
cunning surge
Yeah they're all so close tbh, but it's pretty much a line of
Raid - Venth
Balanced - Night Fae
M+ - Necro
molten beacon
Thanks for all the answers
calm dome
With Night Fae you can be very good with
Nyia in Raid
Korayn in M+
With Sin or Outlaw spec
amber meteor
Im so torn. I stayed kyrian for being 40 this week znd now doing raid and m+ i cant choose -) fae look indeed good but the hype on Vent and Necro is tempting rhaaa
gusty mirage
just pick what you like the most tbh, they're pretty close where its not a huge deal
cunning surge
Make a pros and cons list of each and make your decision based on that for your preference
calm dome
A lot of Night Fae went Necro and they absolutely loving it
grand echo
I switched from NF to venth and I like it much more, but yea it's a personal preference
feels good
molten beacon
I switched from NF to venth and I like it much more, but yea it's a personal pre...
Yes I m tempted by the venthyr s hype too ^^ new flagellation seems great to use
strange python
yea idk I've been feeling the same way about flag
I just like that haste too much
pressing sepsis feels like poo
grand echo
Yeah feels like it doesn't do so much.. But yeah it's a dot. And ofc there is the stealth skill aspect but I didn't like it that much, felt odd having it in my rotation (played mostly outlaw before patch)
grand echo
I just got to 30 ^^ we will get there!
strange python
I'm at 11 :'')
The only benefit I've gotten from this is playing LFR for the first time because I heard it drops it fast
amber meteor
Guess i ll throw a coin for vent or necro ^^
near apex
The only benefit I've gotten from this is playing LFR for the first time because...
How is that a benefit?
strange python
Oh
because you get to witness
this beautiful scene
I've never seen an LFR group play before
it was just really amusing
amber meteor
Man doing kaelthas in lfr take like 25min
strange python
LOOL yeah that was what happened to me too
only one healer was healing him the entire time
amber meteor
When u need something else that kill someone ppl dont get it
near apex
Xymox is the true end boss
strange python
Hey at least when you get charmed on Xymox LFR you don't die from it
people only half to hit you for like half your hp
to break you out
amber meteor
Ya damage are so low its not really an issue usually
strange python
and on sludgefist the chains are just outright gone
so the only thing that has to be done properly is tank aiming him at pillars
amber meteor
Never tried sire tho
near apex
Sire is fine, you literally ignore every mechanic
strange python
you do that in normal too
near apex
Training dummy
wide bolt
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
kind turtle
can Assa Rogues not Sprint on water??
brittle pawn
Rip useful glyphs
cerulean raft
hey guys, can you explain why this guy plays with elaborate planning over blindside? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/56899263?mode=detailed&zone=26#metric=dps&partition=2
shy dust
Could be getting 8 PIs every boss
Might make EP more attractive
He is also running vigor
Which is definitely a loss at the haste levels he is running with all those pi’s
cerulean raft
sounds reasonable, thanks
spring fractal
Does valor work like conquest? As in if you had 5000 and spent 1000 on an upgrade you couldn’t gain more until the next week?
balmy condor
Does valor work like conquest? As in if you had 5000 and spent 1000 on an upgrad...
Yes
spring fractal
Ty!
molten moon
sorry if this has been asked before, is there an guide on openers w/ necro on ST vs AOE /w MA leggo?
balmy condor
sorry if this has been asked before, is there an guide on openers w/ necro on ST...
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
balmy condor
The icyveins one has generic openers
molten moon
thanks, i looked through them just thought they were a bit dated. Appreciate it and all the work you put in on the disc
balmy condor
jade coral
manic harness
Idk but I like it
I think Rogue moved from D tier class to A tier with the 9.0.5 changes
👍
tender notch
is it normal to not always get 30-stack flagellations
manic harness
Yes that's normal
balmy condor
It’s actually incredibly difficult to get 30 stack flags
manic harness
Honestly I don't even know how flag 2.0 works exactly
dim shoal
MA Opener with subterfuge is Garrote garrote garrote CT Vanish Fok Ct Fok Ct right?
torn atlas
If I've got Zold simming within 110dps of DB on ST. I'm likely better off just sticking with Zolds right? Like execute damage is gonna likely make up for that difference.
manic harness
Like I know it's use combo points after casting spell but ultimately it don't matter much
dim shoal
Or do I just go with another legendary like doomblade for m+
scenic kelp
Is it ok to use a 1 button opener Macro? Saw one in a YouTube video and ist helped me a lot to make my opener perfect 😅
arctic walrus
If I've got Zold simming within 110dps of DB on ST. I'm likely better off just s...
What do you mean execute makes up for it? The sim has execute in it. It is straight up that much dps less, however the Caveat here is that in progression, you execute phases tend to be more prolonged and more impactful part of a fight
torn atlas
Ahh true. I wasn't aware that execute was includes in the sim. I assumed the sim was separated with pure ST of Patchwerk and pure execute phase with "Execute Patchwerk"
Guess it all just comes down to how well I can actually execute the rotation then.
misty holly
Serrated Bone Spike 9% of my dps in dungeons. 7% in single target. So good now.
torn atlas
Shouldn't the bottom of the 'sample ability log' of the sim be showing exactly how much of the fight is execute? It shows 'fluffy pillow' the whole way through on PW sim.
arctic walrus
I mean would your rotation change once the target is in execute range? No, that simply just shows you the ability sequence
torn atlas
That's fair. I'm just looking to learn and the sim has never sort of indicated that it included an execute. I just assumed it doesn't purely for the execute sim existing. Guess that's on me.
Is there any other fight than Sire where Zolds would be applicable then? Possibly Huntsman or SLG with the extra targets? Or are the health pools/execute length of the extra adds too small to make much difference?
loud light
having smaller health pools just means you're in execute for a shorter amount of time per each but it's still the same %. I think you more want to focus on fights where it's much more important to do damage in execute range and get it over with
sire gets quoted because p3 specifically is the hard part
sweet trellis
!bis
polar willow
doesnt matter which weap enchant goes on which dagger right?
torn atlas
having smaller health pools just means you're in execute for a shorter amount of...
Yeah that makes sense, cheers
sweet trellis
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
terse ice
in the icy veins guide it says "Deeper Stratagem can perform very well at higher gear-levels but ultimately falls behind Vigor Icon Vigor in every category."
is it true?
grim moth
I think Rogue moved from D tier class to A tier with the 9.0.5 changes
Assassin rogue**
versed mica
Does rupture have higher prio now that SnD doesn't give 10% energy regen anymore?
Or are white attacks still king
keen dome
@terse ice depends on gear, sim your character for accurate results.
Snd first, then the new passive will keep it up whole fight
manic harness
Assassin rogue**
No I think its Rogues as a whole now. We have a good answer to most situations. It's not all in one spec like Fire Mage but if we need ST or execute,, we can go Assassination. If we need aoe or cleave, we can go Outlaw. And of course Sub is viable for pvp and I feel like Sin is underexplored in arena and Outlaw is underexplored in RBGs
grim moth
No I think its Rogues as a whole now. We have a good answer to most situations. ...
youre crazy if you think outlaw was d tier
manic harness
With the WW and MM bugfixes/nerfs we are not getting decimated in output anymore
In totality I feel like it was in raids. No utility and mediocre damage is bad.
grim moth
In totality I feel like it was in raids. No utility and mediocre damage is bad.
ehh i guess thats fair in a way. overall i wouldnt consider them d though prior to 9.0.5
in my opinion i dont even think the changes are that big unless theres something im missing
manic harness
It wasn't so much a change to Outlaw that made their niche better, but just more space for their niche to shine since WW and MM aren't performing at a much better level in the same niche
Like those specs were DECIMATING in short term burst aoe
And now Outlaw has more time to work there in comparison
grim moth
It wasn't so much a change to Outlaw that made their niche better, but just more...
i agree on that 100%. i was getting tired of getting dropped in pugs for those classes xD
or specs rather
manic harness
Haha yup
Damage output solves a ton of problems
But I think the option that has opened up with the Sin buff is just as important
Like if my guild needs focus for ST on Kael for example, I have a strong option now
When we get to Mythic SLG, I have a strong option
Its incumbent on me now to be able to utilize both options
Whereas prepatch we had one option that wasn't competitive with the multitudes of other classes at any niche or overall
tropic echo
where does the vulpera racial dps come from? just the bag of tricks?
warped shale
!guides
prisma monolithBOT
slow marsh
Does rupture have higher prio now that SnD doesn't give 10% energy regen anymore...
You still muti snd out of stealth, into muti garrote I believe. Rupture points going to flag is nice but there's not really one concrete answer I think since it changes with the fight sometimes
limber lion
If you pop cd in beginning, hold lashings for charge into 2nd pillar?
On Mythic or HC? Normally on HC you'd want to lust the first pillar and use cds on it, on mythic it's normal to lust the 4th pillar. In any case I would sync vend/vanish/flag/shiv/mfd for the pillars whenever you can. So either use everything on pull, 2nd pillar and 4th or everything on 1st pillar and third.
limber lion
doesnt matter which weap enchant goes on which dagger right?
No
plush shale
Is assasination viable nowadays ? not reallyy feeling the Outlaw atm
limber lion
in the icy veins guide it says "Deeper Stratagem can perform very well at higher...
No, DS pulls ahead quite a bit as Venthyr and for other covenants if you're drowning in haste from your gear. Just need to sim yourself to find out
limber lion
Is assasination viable nowadays ? not reallyy feeling the Outlaw atm
Very viable, one of the best raiding specs currently
plush shale
hell yeah
haughty oracle
Is assasination viable nowadays ? not reallyy feeling the Outlaw atm
its viable, best for raiding i would say. outlaw is still king of m+ though
reef axle
i tried deeper strat, not sure if its not enough crit, but vigor works way better for me and offers me more consistent dps....
terse ice
it does sim 42 dps better for me and i am at 6,6k dps @limber lion
fossil wasp
what build talent do u guys use on m+? trying to test it a little bit
i'm using 2-2-1-2-2-2-3
iron orchid
i'm using 2-2-1-2-2-2-3
That's what I do too
pseudo hamlet
2-2-1-2-2-2-1(!)
north basin
windfury totem sims like 170dps buff for me. only encha shaman can put it?
reef axle
so you guys using vigor over deeper too?
limber lion
i'm using 2-2-1-2-2-2-3
Yep, this is considered the best and feels the best
fossil wasp
thx guys!
limber lion
MFD might pull ahead if you're a sniper-king but takes a lot more work
iron orchid
In M+, you could play with pretty much anything from the third row
It will just feel very different
pseudo hamlet
What about CT? Are you guys using it even in ST fights? Always thought that PB is better for tyra
limber lion
What about CT? Are you guys using it even in ST fights? Always thought that PB i...
Always CT
iron orchid
What about CT? Are you guys using it even in ST fights? Always thought that PB i...
always CT
What you may lose on a ST, you make up for it on packs, very easily
limber lion
CT is too good to pass up and is consistently your #1 or #2 damage overall
limber lion
What you may lose on a ST, you make up for it on packs, very easily
And what you lose on ST isn't even that much honestly.
iron orchid
And what you lose on ST isn't even that much honestly.
Yup
fossil wasp
what is CT?
pseudo hamlet
Crimson Tempest
limber lion
Crimson Tempest
fossil wasp
TY ❤️
sterile jackal
!bis
pseudo hamlet
I was avoiding using CT on ST during non-tyra weeks, good to know.
terse ice
do you use CT in single target with doomblade lego?
iron orchid
do you use CT in single target with doomblade lego?
Haven't tested that out yet
my guess would be that you would, if you were to wear doomblade in a dungeon
outside of shiv window
limber lion
do you use CT in single target with doomblade lego?
Yes, you use CT in ST even without Doomblade
gentle gyro
i think he means whether to use it over PB
rigid tartan
i tried deeper strat, not sure if its not enough crit, but vigor works way bette...
Same here. Noticed it on sludge rekill
deep knoll
which legendary is bis for castle ?
gentle gyro
limber lion
which legendary is bis for castle ?
Doomblade
gentle gyro
but in general, doomblade for more overall, zoldyck if you value execute
deep knoll
sure ? i have seen few assa with the execute one idk why
limber lion
sure ? i have seen few assa with the execute one idk why
Check the logs my man
weary marten
i simc theotar higher than nadija for DS with zoldyck, it's the mastery buff that brings him ahead ?
limber lion
There's rarely any Zoldyck's any more
limber lion
i simc theotar higher than nadija for DS with zoldyck, it's the mastery buff tha...
Yes and the vers buff from Wasteland
weary marten
Yes and the vers buff from Wasteland
thanks !
limber lion
Dauntless Duelist is not exactly useful in AoE situations
weary marten
that's kinda nice cuz we can use same npcs for different specs with how it's done
we use flagellation then skip on second potency
iron orchid
There's rarely any Zoldyck's any more
I think that's because all those top logs are rerolls of people who don't have the soul ash to craft two leggos, so they went doomblade and don't have a second one for sin ^^
shell ivy
^ my current situation
sick cairn
doom blade should be placed on hands?