assassination

[stoic needle]

So annoying that like 4 pieces of bis gear come from there

[lofty shell]

pf can be a fast key

but usually it isnt

[stoic needle]

I still need pox ring and gloves

[onyx wind]

yep

[lofty shell]

remember pre nerf i got to last boss in like a +10 with 20 mins on timer

didnt time it

[stoic needle]

Prenerf pf was absolutely ridiculous

[lofty shell]

ye lol ppl got clipped by tentacles so hard

[strange python]

beta pf was real fun

[lofty shell]

or just died to the ads

[strange python]

beta mists too 🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃

[stoic needle]

Or died to the rain

[lofty shell]

ye man the rain was kinda op too

on tyrannical wtf

[strange python]

in beta the green circles on tredova were invisible

and the mind link like oneticked you

and parasitic infester was not kickable

[lofty shell]

????

wtf

[stoic needle]

[lofty shell]

i learned parasitic infester the hard way

"why tf this guy getting mcd"?

[strange python]

LOL

[lofty shell]

"oh right i didnt kick""

[strange python]

i came into the dungeon on release and didn’t think abt it

bc i was like “oh yeah you can’t kick that”

for like a month

[lethal flame]

is there a assa bis list?

i am sub atm with full bis gear and wanna reroll venthyr assa in like 2 weeks

[spice spire]

There is, but papa whispyr has it locked in his coffers

[lethal flame]

so i wanna farm some haste pieces i found a haste mastery neck from HoA

and a good ring from NW

haste vers

[spice spire]

Because that’s not how gearing works. Just sim everything is the answer

[lethal flame]

i know

but im alrdy 227 ilvl

[stoic needle]

Droptimizer is your bis list

[icy crater]

do a droptimizer for mythic dungons probably

[lethal flame]

but full crit vers gear

[strange python]

you want to droptimize after every new piece of gear btw

[lethal flame]

im currently kyrian so i feel its hard to droptimizer

[stoic needle]

?

What does your covenant have to do with it

[spice spire]

Look for haste > crit = vers > mastery.
General rule - not specific.
Also covenant plays little into end game for gearing.

[lethal flame]

being venthyr with all the haste etc will change the stats weights

[stoic needle]

No

[lethal flame]

it wont?

ok

[stoic needle]

Nope

[lethal flame]

thnx alot

❤️

[spice spire]

Anytime

[strange python]

just don’t think abt stats. top gear is your new god

[stoic needle]

I mean like technically it does but it doesn't change it enough to change which items you want

[spice spire]

Sorry I forgot the oshosi stat weights.
Mastery >>>>>> crit > haste = vers

[stoic needle]

You still want haste critv everything

[ionic kiln]

Just try and have haste and/or crit on all your pieces

[strange python]

technically almost any change in stats modifies weights, they’re incredibly volatile and also dumb

[spice spire]

Not an actual thing btw

^

[deft cave]

anyone knows if there is a macro that uses mutilate by default but when u got the free ambush proc uses ambush? tried with the stealth conditional but doesnt work

[spice spire]

!bs

[prisma monolith]

Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message

[gentle gyro]

ok but no cap, wouldn't that meme mastery build be funny for pvp

[stoic needle]

It would be hilarious

[gentle gyro]

critting people for 35k

[spice spire]

It already was

They did it very early expansion

[icy crater]

I was kyrian assa critting for like 25k with no mastery in arena

lul

[lethal flame]

something like this might work?

#showtooltip Shadowstrike
/cast [bonusbar:1] Shadowstrike;Backstab;Gloomblade

[stoic needle]

It doesn't work with blindside ambush because it's not a stance

[gentle gyro]

please please PLEASE just get a 2nd keybind

please

[lethal flame]

true

rofl

[dull cloak]

whos is still NF and playing sin

[strange python]

use a modifier shrug

[stoic needle]

Imagine not being the best covenant

[strange python]

i have mut 1 ambush shift 1

[stoic needle]

[lethal flame]

if im crafting doomblade i would just go for haste crit yea?

[spice spire]

I drank the kool-aid

[hybrid magnet]

Is Assa back 😉 ?

[lethal flame]

i got alot of vers in my gear alrdy which is rip

[spice spire]

Or haste vers, it’s honestly kind of whatever you need atm

Ye then go crit

[lethal flame]

i see

i love our community

might be the best one or close to monks community

[spice spire]

[frozen jasper]

Is 24 the highest stacks you can get with flag?

[oblique copper]

[stoic needle]

I got to 28 stacks on sire p2

[ionic kiln]

Also make doomblade on your hands, not your shoulders, because 220 crit/verse shoulders drop from heroic stone legion generals

[stoic needle]

No lust

[strange python]

30

[lethal flame]

i got a 226 pvp crit vers one ❤️

[frozen jasper]

Maybe my wa just doesnt show higher than 24 i dunno

But thanks guys

[lethal flame]

and 233 weps! envy me bois

hahahaha

[spice spire]

Huge tho

[dull cloak]

blizz really dropped the ball on mastery scaling if its still that low in m+, but at least we can run same gear for everything now

[lethal flame]

but still council progress feelsbadman

[stoic needle]

[shy dust]

Council as sin

Sounds pretty bait

[lethal flame]

im sub atm hahahaha

[spice spire]

It’s a master bait, tbh

[lethal flame]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/stormscale/shvv#partition=1

but i will reroll venthyr assa 😄

[stoic needle]

Council is a single target fight tho

[whole dew]

hi, dude when to use Vigor or Deep Strat.

[gentle gyro]

no

[shadow pivot]

Sin is pog on council wdym

[stoic needle]

Why not play the best st spec on a st fight

[stone fable]

is sin worth it now that the buff is in

[shy dust]

Because

[stoic needle]

It kinda is

[shy dust]

There are adds

you need to nuke

[spice spire]

^

[shy dust]

Sin does not do noticable damage to attendants

Unless you count envenom with 0 bleeds up as damage

[spice spire]

FoK

[median igloo]

You leave attendants to your boonies. You go sin to burn the boss faster to phase

[strange python]

shouldn’t haste theoretically increase value with more targets as getting more dot ticks outweighs the flat coefficient from vers?

[median igloo]

Boomies*

[lethal flame]

^

[shy dust]

And you can also do that as sub

Sub still funnels well

That hasn’t changed

[gentle gyro]

boomies are loonies

[shadow pivot]

2-3 boomies takes care of attendants by themselves, running aoe is basically padding now that we're week 15

[ornate lake]

M+ wise, we go theotar with wasteland propriety?

[shy dust]

Sub is a better prog spec for council

[twin robin]

got 28 today

[lofty shell]

if you play sin on council you would be using garrote on the non focused bosses ?

[gentle gyro]

yes

[stoic needle]

Just 1

[strange python]

then crit scaling because fok

[lofty shell]

only 1 garrote and no bother with rupture?

[twin robin]

guys how much haste should assa have

[strange python]

versa being higher possibly because fok does a lot of damage and is physical so is not affected by mastery

[silk elbow]

shadowcore oil or sharpening stones ? lol

[dull cloak]

it does, but this is coming from BFA where mastery crit was best stats in m+. Haste crit was st

[shy dust]

However much your sims tells you to

[stoic needle]

Tbh fok doesn't do that much damage

[spice spire]

No set point so over 1

[shy dust]

Sim it

For me it’s dual sharpening stones

[gentle gyro]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[stoic needle]

Sharpening stones because fuck phantom fire rng

[supple pelican]

Just play sub if you have attendant issues, I was the top 2 on attendants in our prog kill as sub

[shy dust]

Do you not MA

MA is also rng

[spice spire]

Casino rogue inc

[stoic needle]

I usually run subterfuge

[shy dust]

Disgusting

[spice spire]

Yikes

[supple pelican]

[icy crater]

So off stats don't matter but 1 ring is a 90 dps upgrade at the same ilvl?

[gentle gyro]

man of culture

[strange python]

actually if u think about it crit is relatively deterministic over a period of time 👀

[spice spire]

Do we need to have the elusiveness vs cheat death talk again?

[shy dust]

There are some funky things going on

I previously simmed

[stoic needle]

But there's a difference between 50% crit chance and a potion doing 5k damage one pull and 50k in another

[spice spire]

But for master assassin

[shy dust]

The 233 cloak was a 50 dps loss

[faint harness]

CD is bugged apparently, if thats what you mean

[dull cloak]

melee being top attendant damage means ranged players r not doing their job

[faint harness]

sure

[shy dust]

So

[faint harness]

take of the year

[spice spire]

No, that’s not it. Osh was hard stuck on elusiveness over cheat death for content

[icy crater]

That's weird.

[shy dust]

If your raid is struggling

Why not go the spec

That does good boss damage

And good attendant damage

[stoic needle]

I was what now

[spice spire]

I fixed

[strange python]

i like elusiveness for frequent damage patterns that don’t oneshot

[spice spire]

I fucked up

[shy dust]

Anyone who progged council and understood the fight knows how useful sub is

[lethal flame]

omg this.... exactly whats happening im sub and im top dmg on attentand FACEOPALM we have 2 boomies and sp and 3 hunters

[lament raptor]

vigor or ds for necro?

[shy dust]

Sim it

[supple pelican]

Subs kit is good for attendant swapping, swap macro with step and you’ll blow it up. Takes some practice with the 4th or 5th recital but it’s not bad. We also had one boomkin and 1 mage

[spice spire]

Anyway MA is the ST way

[strange python]

same reason i always versa secondary on legendary for the ehp increase

[stoic needle]

Going haste vers on legendaries is fine because eventually if you get perfect haste crit gear you still want some vers

[strange python]

i go vers bc it’s op prog stat

[stoic needle]

You can't be at 0 vers

[dull cloak]

ideally your ranged players would aimshot, starsurge the attendant as it spawns and it should almost be dead before it can get channels off for maybe 1 to 2 sec. Anything else just means ranged bad

[stoic needle]

Elusiveness is good okay

[supple pelican]

Running 3 locks 2 hunters isn’t really amazing

[faint harness]

yea thats enough to kill it

just some aimed shots and 3 star surges from each boomie

[supple pelican]

also maybe 4 aimed shots and 5 star surges lol

[spice spire]

nice bait

[strange python]

elusiveness is good because if you ever die it’s a healer problem

[shy dust]

Man some people really do not understand raiding

If you’re gonna tell me just a few casts from your ranged will kill attendants

[supple pelican]

maybe on heroic

[dull cloak]

no but ranged have way more time to kill the attendant before melee

[supple pelican]

You have shadowstep twice as sub

You don’t lose much downtime

Pretty much zero

maybe a global if you smooth brain it a lil too much

Also isn’t the mythic attendant Health like 550K?

[rocky void]

hey guys, how come assa is one of the top specs in the logs atm? did you get some huge buffs or what?

[supple pelican]

They started swimming and not trying to run on water

Being one with water is key

[high phoenix]

are we hitting flag on CD or waiting 30 sec to line up with vendetta?

[stoic needle]

On CD

[oak sapphire]

im NL so dunno >.<

[lethal dagger]

what legendary you consider worth for 1st guys ? Doomblade ?

[spice spire]

Depends on content you do.

[gloomy fern]

would be more for me, i would lose my kyrian wings

[lethal dagger]

Only mythic boss... tbh

Council > Sludge coming

[supple pelican]

i remember why I don’t stay in these chats long lol

[spice spire]

If you’re M+ only, Zoldyck’s or MA.
Raid primary? Doomblade

[lethal dagger]

Ok Doomblade so, thanks ❤️

[cerulean raft]

do you use any weak auras guys?

[supple pelican]

mythic raids but won’t check WCL for boss usage

[spice spire]

!Wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[brittle pawn]

We don't even use a ui

[supple pelican]

I raid first person actually

[lethal dagger]

I checked wcl, but with all changes recently, i prefer ask a question

never killed anyone to answer btw 🙂

[spice spire]

I only RP walk for movement. Running removes my immersion :/

[brittle pawn]

Yea you and 580 other people today

[tired spindle]

another 580 incoming

[icy crater]

[tired spindle]

I dont have the soul ash to switch to Assassination yet

[spice spire]

It really is whispyr simulator when he’s sleeping

[tired spindle]

I should say try assassination

[dim rampart]

The haste boost with flagellation is nice but the overall damage in dungeon is ridiculous (2%) when compared to SBS which does 10%. I wonder how venthyr is so well placed in DS /Aoe sims 🤔

[late birch]

Anyone using Luxthose WA?

[spice spire]

Flag isn’t just the damage, the haste also comes into play.

[brave lagoon]

Done quick testing, if you grant Token of Appreciation (Theotar final conduit) it also breaks stealth with Subterfuge on sin and sub. Both roar and token only effects Subterfuge for me, so Subterfuge 🍝 code is broken.

[strange python]

20 to 30% haste buff in a scenario when you have like 13 bleeds up

hmmm

[spice spire]

Also maybe Better soulbinds? But idk the soulbinds for Necro tbh

[oak sapphire]

anyone know if i have to do the normal leveling route on a new account? Getting my gf a a shadowlands account, but im wondering if i can jsut level her through dungeons

[strange python]

on a fresh b.net account yes

[brittle pawn]

You have to do story

[native lynx]

do we use oil on both weapons

[oak sapphire]

ah lame :<

[tardy sluice]

is wowhead opener the way to go?

[dim rampart]

i tend to keep flag with vendetta for mono burst but i shoud more use it in multi too, true !

[strange python]

after 3 vendettas you lose a cast of flag

[spice spire]

Openers mean very little in the grand scheme of a fight, unless it’s like a minute long.

[strange python]

if you hold

in mythic+ it's variable because contextualizing decisions is very important

like in DoS if you lose a cast of flagellation overall so that you can max burst the Rage guy

[vale merlin]

is necrolord any good?

[strange python]

that's probably a net benefit to your key

[dim rampart]

Yep same with pride

[spice spire]

Covenant comparison is in sims for aoe and ST!

[strange python]

that's why simming mythic+ is very hard

because unless you can create a profile that executes the exact same pull structure as you're going to do in a dungeon it's going to be an approximation at best

which isn't to say "don't sim dungeon slice" (but idk how updated that profile is anymore anyway?)

but like with all other sims it is not necessarily gospel

and does not indicate how you play in every single scenario

[upbeat umbra]

Also that sim doesn't take into account your group comp. which will influence your CD usage too.

[strange python]

the hardest skill in M+ is time management

understanding that "I have x time before we do y"

is rly hard

[oblique kiln]

Aside from maintaining DoTs+SnD and using Vanish and Vendetta effectively are there any little tricks to improve my dmg

[raw crag]

How bad is assa in m+ compared to outlaw? 🙂

[tired spindle]

Yes

hard to compare much to outlaw

but you can do damage during tyrannical

[raven flower]

mut rogue new top rogue spec now?

[tired spindle]

single target pretty much it seems

[raven flower]

or is it because of a bug...looking to change spec

[upbeat umbra]

You aren't a carry as assa by any means in M+ but you aren't optimal.

[raven flower]

mmmmm

ok

[tired spindle]

if you are on sub you may as well switch to assassination it seems atm

if you are outlaw you are still fine damage wise

[raven flower]

am outlaw

[tired spindle]

you lose out on some single target comparatively

[raven flower]

oh really?

[tired spindle]

its hard to say top rogue spec when both are doing two different things

[spice spire]

You’re fine then. If you do mythic, outlaw is still over on a couple fairly huge fights.

[strange python]

in m+ outlaw is the top rogue spec

[tired spindle]

Outlaw is lower than sin atm single target

[raven flower]

gotcha

[strange python]

it's not hard to say because outlaw has better utility and output and is not dependent on vanish as a damage utility

[lost mist]

top 2 factors to parse x.x

[strange python]

gouge is op btw

[faint harness]

Vanish is big for outlaw

Cus of cto

[scenic kelp]

I saw new logs where assa is at inerva and huntsman over outlul

[strange python]

oh true

i forgot

does vanish still have cdr with tb ?

[lost mist]

y

[strange python]

thank you for correcting

[tired spindle]

I have an odd feeling assassination might get hit with a hotfix

[fluid dust]

Anyone have a bug with vanish where near instantly leave vanish and cant ambush yet it goes on CD?

[tired spindle]

ive been here before lol

[fluid dust]

I've been having it all expac so far, its seemingly completely random

[faint harness]

Not a new bug

[lost mist]

why? ferals are still above us on pure ST (as melee), a lot of classes on aoe...

sin is just like: nice right now

[fluid dust]

Is there any way to mitigate it pushnoir? or is it just lottery when you hit vanish?

[tired spindle]

just an odd feeling

[lost mist]

god don't hear you please ❤️ 😢

[fluid dust]

Cause I cant seem to find a way to stop it from happening just seemingly like 1 in 7 vanish I cant ambush

[tired spindle]

like im going to keep grinding for my 235 celerity

then ill move to my assassination legendary

im not moving over right away

[blazing arrow]

Why would assassination get a hotfix. Is it performing well cause of a bug?

[lost mist]

maybe some "lag" situation where u pop a skill before vanish and it cast in stealth bc the spell queue?

[upbeat umbra]

Cause its performing well for a rogue.....

[tired spindle]

its not so much a bug its just yea its preforming way above some other specs after such a rework

[fluid dust]

yeah no idea, wish I could replicate it

cause so random, idk how to avoid it

[tired spindle]

when you go from literally the worst to arguably one of the best with some tweaks and a covenant rework

something just feels odd for me

[blazing arrow]

It's not one of the best wdym?

[lost mist]

they should be proud haha a nice job done there reworking a spec

[tired spindle]

I agree but its rogues lol

[raw crag]

blizz just loves their rogues and cant stand their bad state

^^

[blazing arrow]

It's still below fire, aff, boomkin, Uah

[tired spindle]

im hella happy its doing well though i wont be switching off nightfae for it

[lost mist]

blizz just love their SIN rogues*

bc subt x.x

[tribal marlin]

"one of the best" idk dude we do good ST damage

but that's all

lot of classes do good ST and bring utility

[scenic kelp]

I said on huntsman we are 3rd place btw

[tired spindle]

i think you misjudge what just single target damage is good for

[scenic kelp]

Inerva same

[lost mist]

ferals have roar, brez and better ST. DK have AMZ and maybe the same st that a sin

[tired spindle]

Sin should be doing high damage, something just feels off to me about it is all

[lament dove]

damn it's hard to come down from the SnD button, but CttC is dope as hell

[strange python]

snd button is the worst button

[lament dove]

I mean I sometimes still refresh SnD with it...:\

[strange python]

oh lol

unlucky

it's hard to trust procs

[lost mist]

just bind SnD on alt+shift+mouseshift+bluethoot device home button

[lost mist]

^^

[gentle gyro]

https://i.imgur.com/HChAX7T.png
another mists, another neck

[sleek sparrow]

My question is are you pressing ambush in vanish as assassination

Bro

[gentle gyro]

you don't want to ambush

[sleek sparrow]

I need that neck

[unborn eagle]

crit/mast=best stats

[gentle gyro]

i have 3 of these

[tired spindle]

dont you want the mutilate for Combo points?

why even ambush unless you use the proc

[dull cloak]

What sin needs is MOAR DAMAGE

[sleek sparrow]

Yeah I'm asking if he's having this issue as outlaw cuz hopefully he's not pressing ambush as sin

[tired spindle]

lol

oh lol

yes

[spiral salmon]

question, Is there any reason to change from vigor to Stratagem this patch? is there some haste value you need for it to become better?

[sleek sparrow]

But yeah, that neck is like an 80 DPS increase for my rogue rn

[gentle gyro]

with that much mastery?

[sleek sparrow]

Guess I'm lacking on mastery

[gentle gyro]

what are you wearin, the HoA?

[sleek sparrow]

No

210 haste mastery neck from HoA

It surprised me as well

[gentle gyro]

i have huntsman neck, so uh

[sleek sparrow]

I droptemizer simmed and that's what it said

[blazing arrow]

@spiral salmon sim it

[sleek sparrow]

I need that neck, the crit mastery ring from ToP and a phial

[blazing arrow]

@spiral salmon for venthyr players it seems deeper is simming ahead.

But just sim it yourself as see what's better

[spiral salmon]

thanks, just did, vigor = 6308 dps, strata = 6305 dps

[gentle gyro]

I need the fucking dagger from mists

[spiral salmon]

so seems very close atm, maybe once I get higher haste values it will change

[blazing arrow]

So okay whichever one you want

[gentle gyro]

this is, no joke, y 11th mists run this week

i got every single item

except the dagger

[blazing arrow]

Deeper feels like shit at low haste just fyi

[spiral salmon]

yeah exactly

[rose lichen]

13% haste enough to try sin? Or is it gonna feel shitty because low haste?

[spiral salmon]

Vigor feels like such QoL to have

[blazing arrow]

@rose lichen you can play sin at any haste value.

[spiral salmon]

but Ill if I increase my haste significantly

resim*

[late bolt]

Low haste feels shitty, but being high on details feels good 😄

[tired spindle]

i am throughly enjoying though how outlaw and sin are now similar in stat distribution

[rose lichen]

I know you can, but in bfa for example - low haste = energy starved half the time, didn’t feel great to play.

Just wondering if it’s similar now or if low haste feels okay

[rose lichen]

Lmao fair enough

[tired spindle]

i dont have to completely regear now

[fluid blaze]

Whats the stats recommandation?

[tired spindle]

haste vers/crit

[sweet berry]

Stack intellect

[blazing arrow]

@rose lichen play vigor on low haste and you'll barely notice a thing

But 13% isnt that low

Tbh

[spiral salmon]

yea, I'm at 393 haste(12%) and it feels fine, strangely enough, crit is 0.01 value higher than haste on single target sims for me already

[rose lichen]

That’s without haste on a few pieces that I should be able to pick up too

[blazing arrow]

I need to grind out some conquest and I can swap at least 2 or even 3 pieces for haste

[rose lichen]

Ye I’m in a few verse/mastery still myself - have like 4500 conquest though

[icy ember]

how is sin these days? it looks like it has resurfaced at the top of the meters, but i'm wondering about a specific fight, one that my guild will be on forever++, mythic denathrius, is it GOOD on that fight? probably not, right

[rose lichen]

I’ll have to sim if crit is simming higher at 13% for you @spiral salmon

[tired spindle]

my haste crit and vers are all around the same id like to have a squeeze more haste

[rose lichen]

Anyone know what trinkets are looking to be best for ST?

[tired spindle]

get a phial

grind out those +2 plaguefalls

[raven flower]

im also an outlaw keeping my eye on ass

working on my ass leggo

[rose lichen]

I knew there was a reason I kept doing torghast lol

[tired spindle]

same I got one more week before I max my ring

then ill work on my doomblade for single target

[rose lichen]

I have r4 ma with r4 celerity. Sitting at cap rn so I’ll prob just make r4 doom blades

[tired spindle]

I have a rank 1 MA but like whatever lol

If I do M+ ill just go outlaw and Sin in raid

but atm i can wait on the doom blade legendary

justt glad i can hop off sub

[azure pewter]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[rose lichen]

Yeah I had to reroll off rogue for guild so never experimented with leggos

[tired spindle]

I started Sub and recently moved to outlaw becauses of M+

[raven flower]

bill have you been raiding sub or outlaw?

[tired spindle]

i was raiding Sub

but we stopped because of people

[raven flower]

gotcha

[tired spindle]

but im pretty much all outlaw atm

[rose lichen]

We’ve got one of our warriors who want to try prot though, gonna tell him he has to RL and then I’ll play rogue

[raven flower]

same

[tired spindle]

like i prioritized my r4 finality

so im behind on my other legendaries

i also wasted soul ash on akaaris

so theres that

[raven flower]

pvp?

[tired spindle]

was trying it for stuff like sludge

[split veldt]

how do i get rank 21 on arti but it gives me an 85 parse

someone explain

[subtle imp]

not a lot of parses probably

[tired spindle]

not in a very competitve guild so i just do what i can lol

[raven flower]

only thing about me switching to ass is that im kyrian and all rouges hate kyrian lol

[tired spindle]

im sticking nightfae

[rose lichen]

^ same

[tired spindle]

no way am i switching to venthyr for like 150 damage on a sim

[gentle gyro]

same

[tired spindle]

luckily it was only a rank 2 @gentle gyro

so

[hushed marlin]

i have to get another phial

[iron orchid]

Sin is probably the best rogue spec when talking about sire MM

[raven flower]

my pally is already venthyr but gdi the difference between kyrian and ven is huge

[tired spindle]

pretty much now justt grab some swords grab some daggers and switch between specs if you got the legendaries

thats how I see it

[spice spire]

Only 134 parses my dude

you’re in the top 85% at 21

I should also note, only 134 as of now in 9.0.5. Give it a week and it should even out

[icy crater]

Do you guys press everything on CD and pray you don't get mechanics or wait for stuff to be casted

[tired spindle]

well if you know mechanics are going to happen you dont use your cds

thats typical

like shreikwing

[shy dust]

On artificer

I hold vendetta till after the ghosts spawn

[icy crater]

the first set?

[shy dust]

No reason to send it and possibly waste 10 seconds of it

2nd

Vendetta

[icy crater]

yeah

[tired spindle]

it also depends on the mechanic

[shy dust]

Its when we lust

[limber lion]

Holy fuck, Infexious just posted the absolute worst video he's done so far

[tired spindle]

like if you are going to send it anyway you may as well pop shroud too

cloak*

[limber lion]

This was his rotation with flag

https://gyazo.com/39a20fd6ec60f469bd8f6e09c1786121

[tired spindle]

so you dont get targeted lol

[icy crater]

We lust 30 sec before vendetta is up unfortunately

[icy ember]

yo why is it best? cuz of the execute phase?

[limber lion]

Yes

[icy ember]

hm, interesting

i may have to break out my sin set, which would be fine cuz i was rolling sub forever

[icy crater]

Can't make the timer if we hold I don't think

[spice spire]

Mut > shiv > flag > Mut....

[icy ember]

shiv runs just like toxic blade does right

[tired spindle]

well sub needs less haste than sin

[spice spire]

What an ABSOLUTE GAMER. Yikes

[limber lion]

Horrible Shiv value AND horrible Flag value

Like what

[spice spire]

Right? LMAO

[shy dust]

The unethical Asia region is at it again

[pale fossil]

Sin needs two daggers, right?

[spice spire]

This one doesn’t even feelcraft. Like. How and where?

[tired spindle]

ys

[shy dust]

These top sin logs are a disgust

[shy dust]

Yes

[spice spire]

Yes

[tall token]

Can't find an answer to my question anywhere so i'll post it here. Talking (mainly) about m+ or "Cleave" in Raids.
How many enemys do i need to DoT with Garrot (and refresh ofc^^).
Same goes for Rupture.
Just my main target or more?
Talking about normal Rupture/Garrot not the boosted ones (with talents).
And last does the Legendary make any difference her? (using Doomblade)

[spice spire]

You can remove top and it works

[tired spindle]

rupture is like 4 targets

just rupture everything

you wont get more garrotes unleess you use Subterfuge

[hushed marlin]

wish fok would give more than 1 cp on avg for multi rupture 😦

[tired spindle]

Doomblade is like pure single target zoldyck i believe is more all around

[blazing arrow]

Zoldyck is mostly for execute

[hushed marlin]

and MA is still good. but if you are always opening with multi garrotes MA just doesn't seem as efficient

[shy dust]

It’s still disgusting

Logs with 5+ buffs

[tired spindle]

Im going to be grabbing Doomblade when I move to sin

since ill be outlaw for M+

[hushed marlin]

i dont raid so I made zold

[pale fossil]

What dungeon drops the best dagger for Sin? I only have one, so I'll need to farm for one anyway (my current one is pvp)

[gloomy fern]

china sins playing ep

[shy dust]

When you got 5 pi’s

Could be worth

[shadow helm]

double potency on nadija?

[blazing arrow]

Are the Chinese logs out now?

[spice spire]

Mists and PF are Deece iirc

[strange python]

chinese rogue players are next level

[spice spire]

Dauntless

[strange python]

they just do whatever they want and absolutely fuck

[shy dust]

No they don’t

They just buff pad

[pulsar sluice]

where

[quiet forge]

When in NF we use covenant ability and then shiv 1 sec later right? or is it better the other way?

[shadow helm]

WHEN U GET ADAGGER INSTEAD OF PHIAL FEELSBADMAN

[shy dust]

It’s not hard to get a rank 1 when you have 5+ PIs

[strange python]

that's not relevant to what I'm saying

but

sure

[shy dust]

I mean

[blazing arrow]

????

[shy dust]

Wow is not hard enough

For their to be such a large skill expression

Also @blazing arrow

[marsh yew]

always try to use shiv after sepsis since sepsis lasts 10 seconds and shiv lasts 9 seconds

[strange python]

agree

[shy dust]

“They just play better”

[shadow helm]

yeah

8 powerinfusions

[blazing arrow]

Oh yeah he outplayed all of us for sure

What a sin god

[marsh yew]

LOL

[quiet forge]

I know but im not sure if sepsis ticks for more dmg each sec or less

[strange python]

if you were a better player you might have manifested 8 power infusions

[subtle imp]

grimzyo one true asian god

[blazing arrow]

@strange python what

[dull cloak]

when its china its always pad 4head

[supple pagoda]

damn looks like im going to have to go from sub to assassination since its not getting any love

[blazing arrow]

@strange python you realize. They set up their raids. To get r1 parses on purpose right.

[strange python]

google manifest

[blazing arrow]

How about you google deeznuts

[strange python]

lol

[marsh yew]

I one up your 8 PIs

thoughts on 15 of em?

[gloomy fern]

all is not pis

[marsh yew]

oh tru

8 PI and 7 Benevolent faeries

also I take back what I was saying yesterday about the #1 spots not being taken by people who get funneled PIs

xd

[strange python]

idk

#1 has literally always been that way in one form or another

in BoD it was the wq trinq

boost usually has full #1s in like 4 tank specs rofl

there's no way to really avoid that

[icy ember]

as someone moving over from sub to sin, which lego do i craft when i'm going to be specifically raiding mythic denathrius? probably doomblade as i'm reading in the pins?

[marsh yew]

if your looking for just denathrius I'd recommend zoldycs

[exotic pulsar]

Hmm simming single target @ 6,205 as outlaw and @ 6,312 as sin. Not really seeing huge gains like people are claiming.

[blazing arrow]

@icy ember it depends but yes read the pins

[icy ember]

@marsh yew why?

[marsh yew]

it doesn't do as much damage but since denathrius is only about execute phase zoldycs beats out doomblade in execute phase

so zoldycs is better when it actually matters on denathrius

[pale fossil]

Crippling Poison doesn't work on the gargoyle adds in Mythic Council, right?

[marsh yew]

other fights I'd say 100% go doomblade tho

[blazing arrow]

@icy ember only reason I crafted doomblade is I'm.still progging most of the raid.

If you're on m sire I'd go for zoldyck

[icy ember]

ya i'm real meta this tier, goin w/e spec the raid leader asks me to

and now sin is the best

[hollow escarp]

how is 4900 rank 1?

[blazing arrow]

That he asks you?

Go the spec you tell him you're going. Or what's best for the fight.

[lament dove]

omg people are asked to spec assa what is happening

[blazing arrow]

@lament dove ? What

[hollow escarp]

lmao

[marsh yew]

idk

[worn path]

Dude sins been a meme until now

[icy ember]

why sin was the best each tier, last tier i was sin on nzoth

[hollow escarp]

and this point of the patch, nobody cares

it's farm for the top guilds

[icy ember]

well it isnt farm for us and we JUST killed slg last night

[hollow escarp]

I mean

[onyx wind]

man the venthyr gear looks sooo sick

[hollow escarp]

we are casuals

[blazing arrow]

@worn path it wasnt. Sin was the best spec for m sire even before these changes and was on par with sub for alot of the ST fights

[subtle tundra]

sin is just better for sire though

execute dmg > overall on that fight

[icy ember]

@subtle tundra true

so execute was something they added in with blindside right

[subtle tundra]

also zoldyck legendary

[blazing arrow]

No

Zoldyck insignia

Does increased damage below 30% for poisons and bleeds

[subtle tundra]

so if you want to play sin only for sire you craft zoldyck

[blazing arrow]

I'm still crafting zoldyck next. I dunno when I'm ever gonna level my MA lmao

[hushed marlin]

i crafted zold for mythics but i'm not sure if its worth it bc i'm not doing high keys

[wanton reef]

On a cleave fight (huntsman for example) I suppose Zoldryck would be better than Doomsblade since alot of the combo points have to be spent on bleeds instead of envenom? does that make sense?

[blazing arrow]

I wouldnt play sin in keys anyway

But that's just me

[hushed marlin]

i dont enjoy outlaw and its doing better than sub

[subtle tundra]

but make sure to let your raid leader know your dmg overall will be shit compared to other classes

[blazing arrow]

@wanton reef lol no zoldyck is better because p3 is the most important and you'll be in execute range for most of that phase

[worn path]

It was, because in order for it to perform better you needed the right legos for it. The meta rogue spec was outlaw so people were crafting legos for outlaw to be useful on all the other fights. It’s now becoming okay to play sin but its 100% been a meme until the latest aura buff and then this patch

[blazing arrow]

Ok friend whatever you say

[icy ember]

@subtle tundra LOL why is that? cuz sin doesn't shine until p3

i don't have zoldycks crafted either, i may wait until i can craft it

[stoic needle]

I never thought I'd see the day when someone would be forced to reroll sin

[blazing arrow]

I mean if your RL doesnt understand that execute is more important then they're a shit RL anyway.

[hollow escarp]

my experience on sire is being rank 9-10 in phase 1, top 5 in phase 2 and rank1 or 2 in phase 3

[grave cove]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[blazing arrow]

But you shouldn't be at the very bottom on sire.

[strange python]

ya that's for the warriors

[shadow pivot]

Feels bad man, top loggers already recieving multiples PIs D:

[hollow escarp]

???

[blazing arrow]

What

[hollow escarp]

warriors do a lot of damage

all phases

[blazing arrow]

Warriors destroy on that fight

Sire is like the arms warrior dream

[subtle tundra]

cause assa doesnt have burst aoe for p1 pad

[icy ember]

but i want blade rush to hit everything

[rocky void]

might be a stupid question, but how come there is no Shiv in any of log timelines?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/yMDL7CzZ9WvcG4tY#fight=3&type=casts&source=3&view=timeline

like this for instance

[hollow escarp]

I just vanish, fok and envenom the boss

[icy ember]

are you sin on mythic denathrius kojack?

[drifting cloud]

kojack still talking about heroic

[hollow escarp]

ok dude

[blazing arrow]

@rocky void that is a very good question actually

[subtle tundra]

outlaw is still good on sire if you dont want to play assa

[halcyon fulcrum]

Asa beter on raid now ?

[blazing arrow]

Sigh

[rocky void]

i guess... i've checked like 10 different logs trying to grasp the opener and in none of them there is a single shiv cast

weird shit

[ripe cradle]

Shiv is bugged in logs

[worn path]

Because it doesn’t track shiv cast on wcl you have to track debuff

[ripe cradle]

Look for the debuff

[rocky void]

damn yea

thanks

[blazing arrow]

@rocky void well I'll give you the opener

M/SND/M/G/M/VEN/flag/M/M/Shiv/vanish/env/m/m/env

[onyx wind]

good opener but u wanna flag before rupture

[blazing arrow]

If you're nightfae just make sure you use sepsis before shiv

Actually yes exeo is right.

[rocky void]

sepsis instead of second M

i didnt have time to reroll to venth so will raid as assa fae tonight prolly

[blazing arrow]

@rocky void no

Well depends on your CP proca

[next solar]

I main outlaw but will have to go assass for sire, my main job will be pure execute damage. how big of a fall off is necro from venthyr, sim only has like a 70 dps difference i think, but realistically how bad would it be to play necro assass?

"- yes venthyr is bis, and yes the other covenants are close enough to play what you want (kyrian sucks)" 10-4

[worn path]

Within 200 dps. I’d assume the bone spike over the course of 10 minutes would close that gap a lot farther than you’d see on a typical patchwork

[visual totem]

!bis

[dry shadow]

which soulbind i should go for in venthyr?

[shadow pivot]

Outside of execute phase the constant dot on remornia also helps closing the gap I guess. Not optimal but definitly fine

[dry shadow]

oow thanks

[heady rain]

Rupture?

[blazing arrow]

@heady rain rupture after flag.

[fading mason]

is master assasin bugged atm i am not gettig the crit on target dummies

[gentle gyro]

what last-row route do i take on nadja?

[blazing arrow]

Pins

[gentle gyro]

duelist or 20% more flask/food etc effect

pins only say nadja

hence my question

[blazing arrow]

No they dont

[stoic needle]

Dauntless duelist on everything except generals

[gentle gyro]

thanks mr oshosi, and I cannot find it in the pins @blazing arrow

am I blind

[blazing arrow]

You could also just sim what's best. Or go to hero damage

[tribal mauve]

what you take then

[stoic needle]

Duelist is bis except if you have to hard target swap

[gentle gyro]

or I could ask the class discord

[stoic needle]

Double potency with wps

[tribal mauve]

👌

[brittle pawn]

there's a big fucking picture in the pins with every soulbind in the game, idk how you can't find it there

[quiet forge]

For how long is it worth to keep shiv / sepsis (as NF) for each other?

[brittle pawn]

i think its 7s

[blazing arrow]

Do you even use sepsis with shiv? Or is it better to hold and line up with vendetta anyways

[gentle gyro]

so not that good on huntsman?

[blazing arrow]

@gentle gyro no

[gentle gyro]

i wasn't sure how exactly it would work

but i assume it just vanishes once you attack the hound

[blazing arrow]

No. It stays on huntsman.

[gentle gyro]

ohhh, reading is hard

nvm me

[sharp pawn]

whats duelist

[stoic needle]

Tbh that picture isn't accurate

[blazing arrow]

Dauntless duelist. Soulbind special node

[strange python]

Hello guys, I am about to make Doomblade lego, Is it going on shoulders or gloves :?

[blazing arrow]

Gloves

[brittle pawn]

was for his question

[stoic needle]

It's questionable, I don't think you really need any extra damage to kill shades

[blazing arrow]

@strange python there is 233 shoulders from SLG. So you want to put it on gloves.

[celest marlin]

is tehre a guide for Blindside play ?

[blazing arrow]

In the pins

[brittle pawn]

if it procs, press it

[ebon bramble]

damn. wish assassination was as good as outlaw for m+

[stoic needle]

Press ambush instead of mutilate when you get a proc

[gentle gyro]

it wasn't though but hey

[blazing arrow]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[blazing arrow]

There you go

[gentle gyro]

not being an ass is hard

[blazing arrow]

So is being a self-sufficient adult apparently

[brittle pawn]

as it not being a lazy cunt

[strange python]

and with what stats i should make Doomblade? Haste/crit or Haste/vers

[stoic needle]

I feel like dauntless duelist is fine for huntsman cuz of the dmg share

[gentle gyro]

When you guys get triggered so easily by a simple question which is so specific then idk what you want in a class discord

[blazing arrow]

@strange python well actually haste crit is what I did without simming

[stoic needle]

It would make sense to attack the dog first cuz it'll die eventually

If you're using zoldyck

[weary marten]

On sludgefist are you playing with Doomblade or zoldyck ?

[stoic needle]

Doomblade

[blazing arrow]

@weary marten doomblade

[weary marten]

ok thansk

[icy ember]

i usually play sub for sludgefist, or i did anyway when we killed him

[blazing arrow]

Um. Sub is still really good for sludge

Just because the damage windows line up with subs CDs

[strange python]

@blazing arrow but is it simming better with haste/crit or :?

[blazing arrow]

That is something you'll have to do for yourself

[strange python]

aight, thanks

[weary marten]

as venthyr if you had to use one npc per spec, which one you do ?

[brittle pawn]

more with the people coming in acting like entitled pieces of shit and then playing the holier than though act when they're called out

[blazing arrow]

Um nadia for sin, theotar for outlaw

Dont play sub

[stoic needle]

Draven for sub because dogshit goes with dogshit

[neat frost]

If by NPC you mean Soulbind I do:
Nadjia for Assassin ST
Theotar for Outlaw for cleave fights or M+

[blazing arrow]

Or draven for sub for pvp cause it's actually decent

[shy dust]

Link

M shriek

[brittle pawn]

i was looking at draven like, wtf is pco

[neat frost]

If you're using lashing potency and no second potency you could put sub as either, but with finality the mastery proc is pretty nice

[stoic needle]

No

[blazing arrow]

Since when is this the sub channel

[subtle imp]

every channel is a sub channel

[gentle gyro]

you gave a condescending answer which was not even helpful if I looked past that. You want me to look at a pin from 4 months ago that doesn't even have conduits in it, let alone says for WHAT it is good?

jesus christ

[subtle imp]

[neat frost]

Since everyone turned their sub hats around to play Sin

[stoic needle]

[subtle imp]

i remember sub channel during bfa

[icy ember]

it was dead lol

[gentle gyro]

and getting called out on what, asking a specific question? ok bud.

[subtle imp]

zul > into 5 people

]

[stoic needle]

Blue names

[blazing arrow]

@gentle gyro the pins are updated fairly regularly. Plus there are the guides, warcraftlogs, herodamage.

[gentle gyro]

the pin he referenced was 4 months old

[stoic needle]

I've been waiting all expansion to meme on the rerollers it's not personal btw

[livid temple]

19.5% haste bois, giga energy!

[icy ember]

i find it kinda amusing whenever people attach themselves to a spec, it is kinda yikes imo

[onyx wind]

Im gemming and enchanting crit as assa and noone can stop me

[blazing arrow]

@stoic needle seli made me change my name back

[gentle gyro]

and yes I COULD have looked it all up, but i might as well just ask people that might give a more thorough answer than some wowhead guide

[halcyon zealot]

is it rerolling if youre playing your classes best spec? lol

that just sounds like optimizing to me

[livid temple]

@blazing arrow tbh it wants me to do the same, but the haste feels too good XD and its only like a 4 dps increase to change them to crit

[gentle gyro]

bonus points for guides differing from site to site and sometimes just being flat out wrong

[blazing arrow]

@gentle gyro what though answer. Play DD. Wow what a thorough answer.

[gentle gyro]

the why, you know, reasoning

[stoic needle]

Not really, I was more referring to the people coming here from monk and etc

I actually don't like that sub is in the dumpster

I want all rogue specs to be good

[gentle gyro]

but I'm done arguing

[blazing arrow]

@gentle gyro it does more damage

There you go

[gentle gyro]

as I said, not being an ass is apparently hard

[brittle pawn]

he got his daily dose of attention, let him ride off into the sunset

[blazing arrow]

Yep

[gentle gyro]

if that makes you stop typing,all for it, you won

[gusty mirage]

what if you’ve been here all along?

[marsh yew]

blue names are spooky tho

[gusty mirage]

I fully embrace my spookiness

[halcyon zealot]

tbh i just cba going to change my role

[stoic needle]

tbh i was a sub zoomer

when i first joined the disc

then i was too bad to play sub properly so i tried outlaw

and i didn't like that either so i settled on sin

[brittle pawn]

ive been blue since legion

[stoic needle]

this was before the first 5% buff

[gusty mirage]

How long ago did you join good sir? We’re you here when Zine used to yell at me?

[subtle imp]

nothing wrong with people liking a spec more than the class itself

[icy crater]

I'm here late but its always good to sim unless 1 thing has such a clear advantage its braindead obvious

[stoic needle]

sl prepatch

[marsh yew]

I've never not been assassination it's just objectively the most fun spec :):):)

[gusty mirage]

So you were around

[uneven summit]

Am i the only one that hasen´t gone venthyr yet, in fear of a nerf :P?

[icy crater]

I'm fae

[tough beacon]

hey guys i wanna try sin but with what kind of lego i start for raiding singletarget?

[stoic needle]

I played the first few weeks of BFA and didn't enjoy it at all, and played classic instead

[blazing arrow]

@gusty mirage zine tells at everyone

[stoic needle]

they both kinda sucked

[gusty mirage]

True

[stoic needle]

doomblade

[dull cloak]

i stayed NF, but its for the queens garden lul

[icy ember]

true i guess, but i find it is usually to crush other people's dreams, IE any convo on here lol

[blazing arrow]

@stoic needle you're just making it worse

[stoic needle]

i'm not ashamed of my past

[brittle pawn]

[tough beacon]

doomblades on hands right?

[blazing arrow]

Yes

On hands

[potent barn]

read pins

pls

[tough beacon]

i will sry for asking dump questions

raid in 20 min

[stoic needle]

it's ok we were all dump trucks at one point

[shadow helm]

DOOMBLADE FOR PLAGUEFALL SPAM?

[stoic needle]

MAYBE?!

[gusty mirage]

Were? Speak for yourself man

[stoic needle]

WHY ARE WE YELLING?

[gusty mirage]

I’m still a dump truck

[plush oasis]

Torn on whether I should switch to venthyr. Soulshape has saved my butt and the venthyr teleport looks like ass.

[brittle pawn]

i identify as a frontloader

[stoic needle]

If I'm gonna be real, people complain too much about door of shadows

[fervent yarrow]

How come I dont see any Shiv casts on any high logs? Is it bugged or you dont use it as venthyr??

[gusty mirage]

NF is close enough where it’s not that big of a deal. Just stay fae my dood

[stoic needle]

yes, it's a little clunky, but people act like it's slower than walking and it's not

[gentle gyro]

i mean can you blame them

if you're used to soulshape

door of shadows feels like a downgrade

[last cedar]

@plush oasis venthy tele is situational, as someone who switched from NF it's garbage

[uneven summit]

The only thing is Thrill Seeker and Flag haste =/

[fallen current]

Casting on vent ability is aids.

[stoic needle]

but flag is an upgrade over sepsis

[last cedar]

HOWEVER flag is fucking pog for that extra damage needed

[marsh yew]

you cant find it under casts it's weird but it should show up on damage

[gusty mirage]

Yeah and door of shadows can’t tell my friends that they were “yoo-hoo” the best

[shadow helm]

is thata a yes

[fervent yarrow]

Ah okay, thanks. I thought I was missing something completely

[stoic needle]

when you press vendetta and flag and the initial hit crits for 10k

[last cedar]

yeah it feels good having an ability that actually does damage

in dungeon my flag did like 300k overall

sepsis sucks donky dick

[stoic needle]

and then every 5cp finisher after that it's another 5-10k

[gusty mirage]

Woah now don’t kink shame

[plush oasis]

Does flag actually get us on the dps meter for burst at the start? Fucking boomkins.

[gusty mirage]

And it’s butterfly dick not donkey

[gentle gyro]

kinkshaming is only cool when it's against furries

[marsh yew]

true

[last cedar]

@plush oasis it's not as broken as convoke

[stoic needle]

kind of but it's still no convoke

[last cedar]

but it's much b etter than anything we have access to

[strange python]

But what if kinkshaming is your kink?

[gusty mirage]

.... valid point

[plush oasis]

Does the damage really feel that much better?

[shadow helm]

big haste BOOST

[last cedar]

the only thing I miss is running keys as outlaw/NF and burrs, but in ST and damage push areas flag is fucking amazing

yeah the haste is nice and it actually does damage when you need it

[dull cloak]

if only 85% of your damage is in the opener aka WoD sub rogue. Those times are long gone

[plush oasis]

Shit. Now I have more stuff to do this week.

[last cedar]

I've been bursting for like 12k as sin

couldnt' do that before

[stoic needle]

allah forgive me for saying this but

i dont hate thrill seeker

[uneven summit]

i do 12k as fae tho, so that´s not really venthyrs fault 😛

[last cedar]

I also am not geared

[shadow helm]

i love lord jesus

[brittle pawn]

my favorite part about thrill seeker is the 90% proc rate as combat ends

[gentle gyro]

sorry man but gotta nail you to the cross for that

[last cedar]

so 12k as sin is pretty crazy for a heroic geared pleb

[mossy flax]

is doomblade affected by our mastery?

[stoic needle]

[plush oasis]

Hey and people will invite me to those damn revendreth keys lol

[last cedar]

nah people aren't inviting rogues still lmao

[plush oasis]

Rip

[fossil agate]

So venthyr is worth the switch If Im just starting my rogue now?

[shadow helm]

do you even try to lnieup thrill seeker with ur cds

[stoic needle]

no you don't

[last cedar]

1600 io, and I'm seeing groups inviting fotm still

[gentle gyro]

na man that's a futile effort

[plush oasis]

Fucking storming then spiteful right as the VP grind starts.

[stoic needle]

sometimes it does just line up naturally, and when it does it's big

[brittle pawn]

[last cedar]

@fossil agate everything is close enough that it doesn't REALLY matter

[austere flame]

how much haste should we be aiming for

[last cedar]

but for aesthetics+flag change, it was enough for me to go back to venthyr

[stoic needle]

20% thrill seeker + 20%+ from flag + 10% from alacrity

sure i'll just take 50% haste for free

[fallen current]

Free lust go

[amber trench]

They are all multiplicative just fyi

[marsh yew]

getting lucky in torghast makes torghast not feel liek a slog

[fossil agate]

I leveled as NF but wasnt a fan, so glad the Flag change is cool

[last cedar]

@marsh yew if you run torg as sub with MA

you can stealth to each mini boss

[stoic needle]

it's better that they're multiplicative because they don't DR

[last cedar]

and spend like 10m each side

[brittle pawn]

there's no DR from procs/buffs

only rating

[marsh yew]

o

thats op

[last cedar]

ye

just take the finisher/combo point white anima everytime

[marsh yew]

and u can kill the very last guy with no powers as sub?

[last cedar]

I finished upper reachs with 8 powers

[marsh yew]

oo

I see

[last cedar]

you just take the ones from vases/chests/mini bosses

[onyx wind]

sub is a lot better for torghast than assa

[last cedar]

and break vases if you're worried to buy on 3 and 6

[stoic needle]

i disagree tbh

[onyx wind]

but u can do it fine with the event thing

[stoic needle]

sin is bis for torghast

unceasing chain link on subterfuge garotte

is absolutely fucking massive

[last cedar]

I could see that

[gentle gyro]

garrote ticking for 10k

[stoic needle]

plus you get leeching poison

[onyx wind]

Im used to having 40k dps as sub

[last cedar]

but tbh doing like 30k shadow strikes

[onyx wind]

with 5 powerups

[candid token]

I dont see people refreshing snd in the logs, is that a thing 0.o

[last cedar]

and 60k evisc

[onyx wind]

^XD

[last cedar]

@candid token change to env meens SnD never needs to refresh

you just keep it going with env

[candid token]

ah I see, thanks

[austere flame]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[stoic needle]

first steps + unceasing chain link = dead boss

[blazing arrow]

@candid token read your class abilities

[gentle gyro]

@candid token

[onyx wind]

remember doing twisting corridoors as sub

doing 1-2mil eviscerates

[candid token]

cool cool, thanks 😄

[onyx wind]

was banger

[last cedar]

ye

[onyx wind]

gonna miss kyrian for that ig

[last cedar]

NF was also pog for torg in TC

the 15% damage to multiple targets, and just one shotting bosses

[onyx wind]

u had 20cp finishers with kyrian

plus all the amps

big banger

[stoic needle]

the venthyr torghast abilities are ridiculous now

flag is basically bloodlust

60% haste for 40+ seconds

you know whats fucked up

hold on

[onyx wind]

300% haste and still 1sec gcd cap

B)

[storm forum]

hey so if we take CT (like for keys), should I be using it on ST too? I knew we did in BFA cause insane haste but I was wondering if that was still the case now.

[onyx wind]

Yea outside of shiv

[stoic needle]

default flag

[gentle gyro]

if you do have it it is worth keeping it up

[stoic needle]

was so shitty

[onyx wind]

But not doing it isnt that bad

[stoic needle]

that they just replaced it with the anima power version

[gentle gyro]

i admit to not paying attention to it most of the time

[storm forum]

thanks

[steep hamlet]

whats the best cov for assa then now

[onyx wind]

venthyr

[steep hamlet]

cheers

[gentle gyro]

for st venthyr

rest is a bit more nuanced

[stoic needle]

compare the live version to the anima power

[onyx wind]

for st, venthyr

for 3 target sustained cleave for 5 minutes straight, necro is a bit better

[native lynx]

whats the aoe rotation for assassin

[onyx wind]

so if ur dungeon packs live 5 minutes go for necro

[blazing arrow]

@steep hamlet in practice venthyr and fae are dead even mostly

[gusty mortar]

with doomblade is PB still better than CT? ST wise

[stoic needle]

yes

[blazing arrow]

But venthyr is burstier which is a better damage profile.

[onyx wind]

CT is just a lost envenom

which is why its not worth to use

[steep hamlet]

whats the best soulbind for us on venth

nadija?