assassination

[simple kettle]

but we're doing the same opener right? Mut snd mut garrote rupture and all the stuff after that

[hollow escarp]

yep

[cunning surge]

Oh yeah, Damn that was back on Laughing Skull, so long ago

[outer lodge]

yeah dude

[cunning surge]

You still with Blacklisted or nah?

[outer lodge]

no i actually never ended up raiding with them, i left the guild and just pvp'd

[hollow escarp]

I'm wondering if it's worth popping vendetta after garrote to get some energy for rupture, shiv and start blasting faster

with DS

[cunning surge]

Oh damn, I gotcha

[hollow escarp]

wtf

simmed again

doomblade venthyr is 5% better than nf zoldyck

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/578XXap8UobTCAprqmgkJA

[onyx wind]

Is that a lot to you

[fallow otter]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nf4TLgHi6Rk3xeWUeg1CZf

my gear is so scuffed

[onyx wind]

or a small amount

[hollow escarp]

356 dps

I think that's a lot

[onyx wind]

I think its a lot aswell

Which is why i swapped :)

[cunning surge]

Yeah that's a hefty chunk

[hollow escarp]

even venthyr + zoldyck is 129 more dps

like 1-2%

gonna play night fae doomblade tonight

[onyx wind]

Been playing it on sludgefatty progress

it pumps

[cunning surge]

I think I'm gonna stay Vigor on that note
DS is only a 0.2% gain and I like to go F A S T

[onyx wind]

DS is like 0.8% for me, but thats with lust on pull

[grim hornet]

Saw some theotar convo, i thought Nadja was bis soulbind, is not like that?

[onyx wind]

I think if u just change opener a little bit, DS is good

[onyx wind]

prob for m+ or pvp

[cunning surge]

To be fair I'm not too surprised? I'm only geared up to like, 215 ilvl

[hollow escarp]

DS only feels bad in the beginning imo, because the energy pool is smaller, once you get enough energy regen you are close to capping a lot

so you have enough energy to play around

[cunning surge]

Hmmmmmmm

I might test around with it

[hollow escarp]

try it a bit

[onyx wind]

To me, it only feels bad in the opener

apart from that its nice

[hollow escarp]

you might like those big envenoms

[cunning surge]

I'm just so used to Vigor's extra energy for pooling easier

It would be good to get my feet wet with DS tho

[hollow escarp]

with alacrity at 5 stacks, it's not bad at all

and VW

[midnight mist]

hey guys, what are the legendary for raiding? Is there different choices depending on the boss?

[cunning surge]

Very true

Alacrity don't fuck around

[hollow escarp]

doomblade and zoldyck

[cunning surge]

^

[hollow escarp]

zoldyck very good for prog

[onyx wind]

And yes, tthere are different choices depending on the boss

[dawn bronze]

Does it matter whether you have sinful/celestial or celestial/sinful?

[hollow escarp]

nope

[cunning surge]

Doomblade for Pure ST and I think maybe also light cleave like Inerva

[onyx wind]

Doomblade if u wanna parse, zoldyck if u wanna progress

And then on denathrius u can parse and progress with zoldyck

[primal zinc]

guys is any1 familiat with tsm addon?....i have this dependancy thingie and dunno waht to do even google is not very specific

[midnight mist]

For cleave like generals you would use doomblade too?

[onyx wind]

generals hc?

[hollow escarp]

you can also use doomblade on prog if you are a bit stuck in phase 1 so you make it easier for the raid to get through the phase

[midnight mist]

mythic

[onyx wind]

then no

zoldyck for sure

but idk, havent tried the fight yet

im on sludge

[hollow escarp]

doomblade + venthyr sounds so valuable on Sun King, Sludgefist and SLG

[dawn bronze]

Assass' main raid perk is its execute phase, no? So buff that with Zoldyck?

[cunning surge]

I feel like I would use Zoldyck in general on SLG just because of having 2 guys in execute range for that long

[celest ruin]

7k

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/45pSrwrhqS5bex6GdUrv3p

now can someone get me a permanent windfury slave

[gusty mirage]

New main perk is ST damage

[onyx wind]

4 minutes

[cunning surge]

We do still have strong execute in Blindside and Zoldyck
But we now pulp hard as hell outside of Execute

[midnight mist]

Ok i see guess its time to farm some soul ashe now thanks guys

[polar creek]

Do I use SBS at all as necro sin?

[cunning surge]

Yeah honestly having Doomblade and Zoldyck on hand is a good call

[celest ruin]

damn im short 70

[hollow escarp]

yes

[cunning surge]

Yes, it synergizes with Zoldyck and Doomblade

[hollow escarp]

sbs is also affected by sin mastery

[polar creek]

I main outlaw and mainly play M+ but figured I'd try it in raid tonight

[cunning surge]

Yeah Necro is plenty fine for Sin in raid

Venth is BiS, but they're so close tbh

[polar creek]

How exactly would I go around using SBS on single target? Do I just apply it once for Doomblade or do I prioritise it over mut for building CP?

[onyx wind]

use it for CP

[cunning surge]

Yeah it's a cheap CP gen

[onyx wind]

use it as a filler

[strange python]

How does sin look on the PI value list now? I imagine still below DK in army, but otherwise must be pretty good?

[hushed marlin]

Whats a good opener for MA doing mythics? for aoe I open with multi garrotes but for bosses I was doing garrote-rup-garrote-mut-snd.. keeps going but I wasn't sure if it was correct

[polar creek]

Alright, thanks

[lunar otter]

what stats we runin on doomblade boys

[cunning surge]

Unsure, but we're definitely higher now

[hollow escarp]

it's best class to get PI

I actually don't want PI on my parses

[cunning surge]

H/C or H/V, depending how you sim

[onyx wind]

MA as in the legendary?

[hollow escarp]

unless it's some progression need

[hushed marlin]

Yes, was told MA is good for dungeons/mythics and havent made another sin lege yet

[onyx wind]

with MA legendary u have 4 globals of crit

u want to get as many combo points as possible

[cunning surge]

Yeah now that having PI puts a huge spotlight on you on WCL, I'm like "Nah, just give it to the fire mage, you good fam"

[strange python]

Is it really?

[hollow escarp]

not sure

memed a bit

[onyx wind]

So Mut > SnD > Mut > Garr>Rup

[cunning surge]

He threw the kappa in there

[strange python]

Curious what the old chart would look like now. Or during a vend window

[strange python]

Shits hard to see on mobile

[onyx wind]

And then you vanish at high cp to envenom

[hollow escarp]

fire mage also got buffed so I can imagine they are benefiting more

[hushed marlin]

i'll start working on that. is MA going to hold up or should i look into making a diff lege for mythics? my dmg is already higher than sub for mythics so gonna keep with the sin for a bit

[onyx wind]

MA is fine, i wouldnt recommend making another for m+

[cunning surge]

I'll give you that, discord emotes on mobile are like ants

[onyx wind]

But if you want to raid, you probably need different ones

[hushed marlin]

ty, i dont really raid outside of LFR for fun and practice

[cunning surge]

MA is plenty fine for M+

Like the other legendaries are so close it's more of a playstyle preference really

[onyx wind]

Zoldyck is easier to play with in m+ and doesnt really require much thinking

[strange python]

Go outlaw for m+ tho

[onyx wind]

But MA is a lot more fun for sure

[strange python]

And MA can work for outlaw

[hushed marlin]

i'm just not a fan of outlaw 😦

[strange python]

And is the sub pvp legendary (I think)

[cunning surge]

Roll the Boners

[strange python]

MA is a pretty damn good overall legendary

[hushed marlin]

yeah I have MA/Celerity/Finality made but sitting on a bunch of dust as well

[cunning surge]

Well, Doomblade and Zold are the go-tos for Sin if you decide to funnel some of that Ash

[hushed marlin]

i'm also not pushing big keys or anything

just causally playing mostly

I was leaning towards making zolds since doomblade is mostly for raiding only

[cunning surge]

Yeah Zold would be the better option

[hushed marlin]

gonna try and sim it but its always finicky when I add legedaries through that system

[cunning surge]

Like you can use Doomblade in M+ and be fine but Zold would be better and is just naturally there

Oh yeah I feel it

[dim tide]

!bis

[hard forum]

Doomblade for raiding zolds for m+?

[next solar]

does anyone have the sim profile for pure execute(30% and lower)? Need to start simming for sire prog T.T

[cunning surge]

Zold is for CN too, but more or less on fights where the Execute phase is heavily important

i.e. Sire

[celest ruin]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[next solar]

I remember someone posted it the other day to show zoldyck execute sims

[cunning surge]

It's floating somewhere in these chat logs

[odd heath]

You can just select "execute patchwerk" and set it to 3 min on top gear or quick sim

[cunning surge]

Oh that's a good idea Psycho

[next solar]

derp lol

thanks!

[upper ruin]

Do anyone of you have current sin bislist?

[eternal wave]

Uh oh

[next solar]

yeah, here it is <redacted>

[deft escarp]

!bis

!bislist

[gusty mirage]

[cunning surge]

[celest ruin]

!bestinslotlistmadebytheorycraftersforassassinationrogueinworldofwarcraft

[balmy condor]

[hushed marlin]

dungeon slice shows zold doing 200 less dps than MA 😦

[median marsh]

hello, is there any wa that tracks poisons? new to game

[empty glade]

i need help my logs were ok in 9.0 but yesterday i puged heroic cn and my logs sucks now like really bad i was not paying attention at all at the fights

[balmy condor]

what are your slice/rup/gar uptimes like

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-michael-scott-turntables-tables-gif-5195238

[empty glade]

this was the 9.0

[balmy condor]

if any of them are below 95% on a single target fight like hungering/xymox/sludge, then you got work to do

[onyx wind]

No people played assa in 9.0, a lot play assa in 9.0.5

Thats why ur logs are lower

[next solar]

you gotta realize there are about 10x more people playing assass now

[upper ruin]

noone played sin in 9.0. Now bracket is stacked!

[next solar]

and you have a lot of CE raiders testing it out in heroic

[onyx wind]

Also - GOOD PLAYERS play assa now

at least more good players

B)

(not me im bad lol )

[gusty mirage]

You too?

[cunning surge]

I've stuck it out with Sin for so long, I'm definitely gonna make my spot in these logs come raid night

I'm pumped to go as hard as I can, idgaf if it's just heroic

[next solar]

Did they fix torghast not giving soul ash?

[onyx wind]

My heroic reclear was with 5 boosts LOL

[gusty mirage]

Yeah

[onyx wind]

log go bye

and we are extending on mythic gg

[next solar]

so if i did it on my rogue, and got nothing, i can redo it?

[onyx wind]

yes

[next solar]

dope

[gusty mirage]

Doing torghast multiple times I would’ve just called it a week

[onyx wind]

The event powerup is so broken

[gusty mirage]

Until your auto run off an edge to your death

[onyx wind]

It even carries assa in torghast

[north basin]

why plaguefall dung so hard for pugs? 2 times 16 key was ruined on first boss. pugs just cant handle it

damn this marathon for trinket going to be nightmare

[dim shoal]

What do you guys think about shriekwing fight? Do you flag a 2nd time right before he enters intermission phase? or just wait till after intermission to sync it with vendetta?

[gusty mirage]

Cuz people are dumdums

[azure bronze]

It's tyrannical week so the dot on the last boss just hurt if they don't dispell/healthpot/use defensives etc

[north basin]

boss on tyranical so demanding for switch and cc.. damn

[onyx wind]

flag before intermission

[ornate lake]

How did people feel about venthyr assa atm? Raided with 22% haste yesterday. During BL / Euphoria / flag I was GCD capped with energy capping on max. Felt inefficient.

[onyx wind]

If shriek is at like 10-20%, i would prob hold it

[north basin]

iam thinking getiing trinket at 207 level and just up it from there. )

[onyx wind]

same, pugging plaguefall is horrible

[vital crown]

dunno it feels a bit subpar personally i'm using kyrian and quite like it

[cunning surge]

From what I've heard a lot of people are just bumrushing +2s and dumping all their Valor into it

[vital crown]

but night fae seems to just outperform everything

[onyx wind]

Venthyr is huge

Night fae does not outperform venthyr

[north basin]

so 4 ups on trinket from 207 to220 its like 1600 valor. 12 dungs of +2 . its like 8 hours of grind?

[deft escarp]

The Phial does count in shiv windows? and does it count for zoldyck?

[ornate lake]

Venthyr sims way higher. But with high haste it feels a bit, inefficient. Thinking about dropping some haste.

[gusty mirage]

Are you playing vigor?

[ornate lake]

Stat weight sims show haste still as #1 or #2 secondary stat. But dont really trust statweight sims

Ye

Its in raid

[onyx wind]

More haste = more stacks on venthyr

more crit = more stacks on venthyr

[gusty mirage]

Well then play deeper strata if you feel like you’re wasting energy

[ornate lake]

Oh damn thats actually good call

[gusty mirage]

Sims better for a lot of peeps now

[ornate lake]

time to run sim 🙂

[gusty mirage]

Cuz with flag and BL I’m chilling at like 130% haste now

[wise gull]

the renown grind is doooone

thank fucking god

[ornate lake]

You use DS too?

[limber lion]

Same, also boosted a heroic run and our boosters were awful. They kept parsing purple and dying to mechanics. As boosters.

Painful experience

[wise gull]

yikes

[onyx wind]

Itizz whatitizzz

[wise gull]

im approved on phoenix but i haven't actually signed up for any boost runs

i should

i need gigaparses

[gusty mirage]

Yeah I ran DS in raid Tuesday night and it felt fine. The opener was a little bit slowish sometimes unless we lusted on pull, but it felt okay

[limber lion]

I have gigaparses, but runs like that make my parses go 📉

But yeah, there's a lot more Assa's out there now, so just keep at it!

[onyx wind]

gigaparses as assa or sub

[limber lion]

You'll get better the more you do it

[wise gull]

i had rank 11 on arti as sub in 9.0

with a minute longer kill time

than every other in the top 100

parsing in pugs is hard

[onyx wind]

Most mythic kills i have are prog kills

so my highest is like rank20 on inerva

[wise gull]

my mythic parses were doodoo

[onyx wind]

Gonna be nice reclearing

[hollow escarp]

Venari trolling me

[spice spire]

oof

[wise gull]

mostly 80-90

[onyx wind]

mine were 95%+ but idk

as sub that is

[grave cove]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[wise gull]

i didn't get to 99 generals or sire on heroic before 9.0.5 either

felt impossible in pugs

[onyx wind]

Yea same, idk whats wrong with those fights

Especially sire is just

group comp

[wise gull]

generals is because most people don't do the no downtime intermission strat

[onyx wind]

More u can pad in p1 the better parse u get

which is so dumb lol

[wise gull]

have to hold off on killing the second goliaths until intermission

so you get 2 big orbs

[onyx wind]

Ohh, makes sense

Felt like i had a few kills where i legit couldnt have played better

But makes sense its due to longer intermission times

[wise gull]

if one or two people gather orbs before the goliath dies you have pretty much 0 downtime

[crimson palm]

Blues are not allowed in this channel

[onyx wind]

Makes sense yea

[crimson palm]

Blasphemy

[wise gull]

im a red now

dw

[onyx wind]

Im blue until i have more haste than vers

[visual sequoia]

wow assa rogue is really simple isnt it lol

[onyx wind]

Yea it kinda is

[visual sequoia]

bit boring 😄

[onyx wind]

But it feels nice with venthyr

If it wasnt for venthyr it would be too boring for me

[wise gull]

i thought it was boring at first

its growing on me

shiv kinda feels like shadow dance

[gusty mirage]

You could always play outlaw if it bores you

[ornate lake]

feels more methodical than outlaw imo. You dont press what lights up xD

[onyx wind]

Outlaw annoys me more than it bores me

[visual sequoia]

just coming from outlaw, came from sub and assa is the easiest 😄

[wise gull]

two target fights with lots of movement feel really fun as assa

[onyx wind]

two targets as sub feels......

like single target...

[wise gull]

cough

it is

[hushed marlin]

well now i'm just in this weird place where I use the same same conduit tree for sin and sub pvp but I have to pick 1 conduit to use 😦

[onyx wind]

flag conduit

or covenant conduit

whatever covenant u are :)

[hollow seal]

2 target with doomblade is for sure harder than anything outlaw in raid

[lofty shell]

this is where crafting outlaw legendary on shoulder pays off, doomblade can also be made on shoulder 😄

[wise gull]

shoulder

[lofty shell]

i know rip slg shoulder :<

[quiet sinew]

If you dont have Mythic SLG shoulders, then Doomblade Shoulders sims best if you have this:

[onyx wind]

wp

[lofty shell]

atm i got some crit vers hands i believe

i still have to craft it but it's prob the best choice on shoulder with my current gear, only got lvl 207 shoulders atm xD

[wise gull]

if you aren't planning on deep mythic prog shoulders are prolly fine

[hushed marlin]

i'm NF still because I just dont want to swap and grind the renown yet. so I was using septic shock for sub pvp but I need to use WPS for sin pve

[near magnet]

hello there ,stats for doomblade lego?

[celest rover]

Hardly a grind for renown. Just doing my normal stuff I went from 5-17 yesterday

[strange python]

I got 34 in one session.

[celest rover]

^

[strange python]

Its not hard.

Just don't commit an hour before raid or w.e and you're fine lol

[haughty rain]

I had a bug when I swapped covenant I did the weekly anima/soul quest before swapping. I got stuck on Chapter 1 and couldn't finish it so no soulbind. I could however farm renown

[wise gull]

took me like 14 hours of straight play

[celest rover]

Yikes

[hushed marlin]

The way I play it’ll take awhile before I get renown up 😦

After doing a lfr I’d just have to spam mythics right?

[haughty rain]

you can spam heroics

[celest rover]

Or rbg if you're into that

[hollow seal]

as nf assa, when do we delay shiv for sepsis, and sepsis for shiv?

so if sepsis is comming in 15, do we not use shiv

and if shiv is comming in 5 do we wait with sepsis

[deft escarp]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[gusty mirage]

you can spam heroics & normals as well

[hushed marlin]

how does flag actually work?

[frigid kestrel]

incoming series of very idiotic questions (all two of them) I realize that for the most part these decisions are minor, however i have wasted soul ash and am trying to find a reason to tell myself this is a good thing.

1. I have R2 Zoldayck and R2 Doomblade. Taking into account the Execute fights that Zoldyck excels at should i level them up equally or rush one of the two?

2. If i was going to change Legos fight to fight would it go like this?
   Shriek - Doom
   Hunts - Zold
   Sun King - Zold
   Artificer - Doom
   Hunger - Doom
   Lady - Doom
   Council - Doom
   Sludge - Zold
   Stone - Zold
   Sire - Zold

[gusty mirage]

Press it, it does damage & gives you haste then does more damage based on how many CPs you spend during the first 12 seconds and gives you more haste based on the CP you spent for the next 12. I haven't paid too much attention to how the haste works, but I'm pretty sure that's how it works

[cyan prawn]

I know that Trinkets have been whitelisted from the MA legendary, does that also include the MA talent on Assa?

[hushed marlin]

ahhh ok

[gusty mirage]

trinkets never worked with the talent

[cyan prawn]

fair enough, thanks

[gusty mirage]

[hollow seal]

sludge is for sure doom atleast

[hushed marlin]

I kinda wanna go venth, but I kinda want to see what happens before rushing it like everyone else

[frigid kestrel]

Gotcha

[gusty mirage]

That's fair, we may see a nerf to the conduit because of pvp. There's no rush in running to venthyr just yet. I switched because I always disliked echoing reprimand and now that they fixed flag I went back home to the vamp bois

[hushed marlin]

i was NF, went kyrian, kyrian was nefred 1 week later, then back to NF. so I have swapping ptsd

[gusty mirage]

You'd be fine staying fae, they're still really strong 🙂

Plus my priest in my m+ group wanted to switch fae, so we needed a venthyr and that gives him the option to do it

[hushed marlin]

but i'm locked to niya for both pvp/pve and have to change conduits for what i'm doing

[gusty mirage]

I just wish door dash wasn't so garbage for rogues

[cyan prawn]

I was thinking the same thing, it feels so awkward to use

[gusty mirage]

hard to get a re-stealth when you're telegraphing your escape route

[frosty iris]

Yeh i started ven, but hated flag so went NF. I'm switching back now flag isn't arse but will miss spirit form compared to door

[hollow seal]

Assuming you are talking about mythic:
i think
Shriek - Doom
Hunts - Doom
Sun King - Zold
Artificer - Doom
Hunger - Doom
Lady - Doom
Council - Doom
Sludge - Doom
Stone - Zold
Sire - Zold

And depending on your progress max doom first and zold if you are gonna see slg and sire in the next 2 months

[frigid kestrel]

Ye im speaking solely on mythic

[gusty mirage]

Zold's up to bat next, I'm probably going to stick with r3 doom until I get at least r2 zold

[frosty iris]

Yeh i regret maxing zold then getting lvl 1 doom

[balmy condor]

Any sleepers in chat

[gusty mirage]

@balmy condor no

[balmy condor]

Oh

[cyan prawn]

no sleep in my timezone

[hollow escarp]

r4 zold, r4 celerity, r3 doomblade, r2 ma and r2 finality

[storm forum]

What's a sleeper?

[frigid kestrel]

Hunts is a Doom fight? I assumed with the dogs at %30 Zold would come out ontop

Hmm i guessed wrong

[hollow escarp]

2 pm, almost done with work

[frigid kestrel]

small brain rogue

[gusty mirage]

That feeling when you were about to fall asleep, but misread your calendar so you're at work early. Feels great

[hushed marlin]

R4 ma r3 finally r3 celerity and r3 zold

[ruby birch]

People might've asked this already, but am I using flag on cd or waiting for it to like up with vendetta

Line*

[gusty mirage]

on CD I believe is the consensus

[ruby birch]

I see

[gusty mirage]

unless you have something that needs to die asap (shield on sun king)

[slender trail]

Use on cd unless you only get one more of each in the remainder of the fight

[frigid kestrel]

Wasnt doubting ya, just shocked

[balmy condor]

5:30 am, almost ready to wake up

[frosty iris]

Oh I have r4 celerity and finality as well 😉

[iron orchid]

Go back to sleep man

[gusty mirage]

I hopped off the sub bandwagon at r2

[cyan prawn]

if you overall get more uses then use it on cd - e.g. 5minute fight -> 2vendetta uses but 3 flags

[gusty mirage]

Whispyr never sleeps

[scarlet goblet]

hello, have some of you already switched to venthyr?

[ruby birch]

Ty for the responses, new to sin raiding :) but somehow already doing more damage than sub

[balmy condor]

Sorry BACK to sleep?

[gusty mirage]

The sun is bright, water is wet, Whispyr never sleeps

[hushed marlin]

Same gloom

[gusty mirage]

those are the 3 rules of life

[hollow seal]

yeye np, i thought zold too first but i guess since you have 100% double uptime of doom it becomes better

[storm forum]

Whispyr doesn't sleep, they have evolved past the need for mortal needs

[balmy condor]

Have you tried speccing out of gloom my friend

Nice seeing you here btw

Welcome to the better channel

[ruby birch]

LOL

[gusty mirage]

us dagger boys need to unite

[ruby birch]

Thank you @balmy condor ❤️

And no unfortunately I'm bound to my gloomblade services

[frigid kestrel]

That actually makes sense

[balmy condor]

Unlucky

[gusty mirage]

I respect you for dying on that hill

[strange python]

Whisper. Can you please tell me in the meanest way possible that its okay to run exsanguinate with SBS

[gusty mirage]

Welp

[ruby birch]

Thank you, I've been reborn as the better spec

In PvE for now

Probably gonna switch in PvP soon if I get the haste

[balmy condor]

Fuck off

[strange python]

Hahahaha thanks noted

[gusty mirage]

I might stick to sub pvp tbh, but I play mainly with a healer so it might be better for me to switch to assa

[balmy condor]

No problem

[gusty mirage]

@balmy condor you have such a way with words

[ruby birch]

Yeah in 2v2 with a healer I feel like sin is better

[balmy condor]

Hey I mean it was a special request

[strange python]

True

I just want it to be a thing you know... like gloomblade.

[balmy condor]

Oh no

[ruby birch]

Gloomblade should be a talent that replaces mutilate

[gusty mirage]

the more I rationalize it, I feel like we're a main reason you don't sleep Whispyr

[balmy condor]

I actually don’t sleep because I think about what I want to sim the morning

[hushed marlin]

you can sim me

[gusty mirage]

Dedicated to the cause

[balmy condor]

And like that’s no cap

[storm forum]

Whispyr what are you going to Sim this morning?

[balmy condor]

I wake up at like 4 am sometimes

And I lay there

And think about sims

And then it’s 8:30

[blazing arrow]

[ornate lake]

Living the life xD

[ruby birch]

Whispyr sims the sims before simming

[strange python]

I feel like I'd see Whispyr at an AA meeting. "My name is Whispyr and I am addicted to simming".

[ornate lake]

Whispyr = simception

[gusty mirage]

what if our entire lives were just a sim

[balmy condor]

I have class at 10:30 to 11:20, so depending on when I decide to get up, I’m going to get some rocket league training in, eat some breakfast, maybe prep the sims, run a +2 for valor with a pug

After class the fun begins, and if I’m feeling motivated we turn on stream

And resim all the pins

[storm forum]

Stream the Sims

[strange python]

Let do a 5 rogue +2 and rotate evasion tanking.

[gusty mirage]

he has before

[spark grail]

so my rogue dinged monday last reset, i did 1 14 with the boys and i got this, i have ass shoulders, would you guys still say i should roll doomblade onto my hands?

[gusty mirage]

its really cool stuff

[balmy condor]

Are there hopes of mythic slg

[spark grail]

ehhh yeh maybe

i dunno

[gusty mirage]

I crafted shoulders because they were lower ilvl than my gloves and tbh I don't see us getting mythic slg

[spark grail]

ok ok ima do the same then

[gusty mirage]

Still have arti and council and sludge to get through

[spark grail]

ty for the help lads

[balmy condor]

If you don’t see yourself getting mythic slg down then shoulders

[spark grail]

yeh i dont

[ruby birch]

You've got this Oxi

Council and Arti aren't too hard to progress

[spark grail]

im a monk re roller lol so i dont think ill get slg on this toon

[ruby birch]

Sludge though

[gusty mirage]

Maybe if we could kill hungering destroyer in 1 shot

[celest ruin]

feels bad when raid gets locked and still no innerva ring

[gusty mirage]

Killed that fucker 4 or 5 times now, and we still struggle bus on it

[ruby birch]

Even after nerfs?

[gusty mirage]

people kill each other with the beams and expunges

lmao

[ruby birch]

It's like a joke tank and spank after nerfs

Oh wow

I don't even move for expunge

[storm forum]

I put doomblade on the shoulders cause I didn't think my guild was getting SLG down, but then we got to 3rd phase of council of blood on our 2nd night of prog and now I'm feeling like there's a chance

[gusty mirage]

My guild is special, the hard mechanics we do amazing on. The basic mechanics we fail like a bunch of potatoes

[ruby birch]

Then maybe you'll easily deal with sludge

[balmy condor]

Oh btw for the EU regs, if I do fall asleep and miss it

We have a new bot command

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[strange python]

Ooh

[wanton reef]

The simulations for doomblade, they aren't done with the necrolord dot I assume?

[gusty mirage]

@ruby birch we got arti down to like 15% in under 10 pulls so maybe today is the day he dies and we can cry on council

[balmy condor]

They are

[gusty mirage]

I should stream council so you all can laugh at my guild struggling to jump properly

[ruby birch]

Oh for sure, like after the 5th set he just dies

[strange python]

I've been wanting to be NL for so long. I'm quite happy. The good news is if I go venthyr soon ill have all 4 covenants maxed out lol

[gusty mirage]

You're prepared for future covenant tuning, a real gamer

[wanton reef]

But if you remove 5% damage from envenom (non-necrolord) how does it do then?

[shadow tangle]

What specs do you guys run for m+? My rogue has been collecting dust since launch after not enjoying sub or outlaw

[balmy condor]

Have you looked at the pins, this has all been simmed

[gusty mirage]

I may be murdered by whispyr, but I still play outlaw in keys

[strange python]

Same

Esp since I'm a boney boy

[balmy condor]

I mean, that’s the correct thing to do

[gusty mirage]

yeah but I'm a meta whore

[strange python]

Same. OL main.

[gusty mirage]

actually I'm just lazy, pushing blade flurry for aoe seems like so much less effort

[storm forum]

I've been playing sin in keys cause I do more damage than playing outlaw or sub (cause I waste like half a gcd on those other specs every global cause I don't have the muscle memory)

Got to 1700io last week so its not bad

[balmy condor]

Aight who’s got a smart idea on how to visualize a cube on a spreadsheet

Am I doomed to slice it into squares

[strange python]

I swap to sin since I have a 224 set for it for different fights in raid. Everything else is OL. My sims between the two are 1 dps different but sin has better uptime w dots on ST movement

[gusty mirage]

God I'd have to play around with excel and try to remember how to do things in it. But I'm down to give it a try after this hearing I have in 40 minutes

[ruby birch]

Most likely

[balmy condor]

3 dimensional spreadsheets when

[ruby birch]

Depending on the spreadsheet you're using, maybe you can draw lines and fill

[slim pebble]

So I want to put haste/vers on my leggo?

[balmy condor]

can’t Elon or someone figure that out

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s fine

[gusty mirage]

When google glasses stops being a meme prolly

[storm forum]

I don't really understand what you mean by cube, like you have a 3rd axis of info you want to convey?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[ruby birch]

Really a cube in 2D is just a square and 2 parallelograms

[balmy condor]

[slim pebble]

Just trying to follow the best stat in the pins, would you do something else? Majority raiding some m+

[balmy condor]

Haste crit and haste Vers are basically identical

[gusty mirage]

I found a 3d scatter chart template @balmy condor idk if you want me to DM it to you

[storm forum]

Vers is better in pvp and doomblade is typically our bis pvp lego so probably that

[balmy condor]

Send it

[gusty mirage]

Sent el capitan

[stiff mountain]

would u use crimson tempest on ST ?

[toxic tusk]

What has two butts and kills people? An assassin.

[stiff mountain]

in a dungeon for example

[slim pebble]

I stopped playing rogue back in January I can only afford to craft one sin Lego this week. What would you craft?

[ruby birch]

Doomblade

[storm forum]

Zoldyck's

[north basin]

crit haste doomblade wont hold u reaching 2.1k pvp rating believe me. stop puting so much attention to secondaries )

[gusty mirage]

yeah 1 slot won't make or break you

[strange python]

Guys, I got question : when you start using agi potion on m+ from around m10?

[scenic kelp]

is it normal that dauntless duelist is siming higher for me? is worth to play it? 😄

[north basin]

15+

[scenic kelp]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/b5p7ycPLurUovn9XREk7AT

[thorn turtle]

It’s raw 3% more dmg ofc it’s worth

[blazing arrow]

@scenic kelp yes that's normal

[scenic kelp]

its ~100dps more

[blazing arrow]

Some of the soulbind special nodes are better than a 2nd conduit

[thorn turtle]

True

[blazing arrow]

Burrs, DD

For example

[thorn turtle]

Dauntless is pog af

[scenic kelp]

ok nice to know ty

[gusty mirage]

I usually save my pots for 15s and up

[midnight mist]

On cleaving fight like generals inerva or huntsman would you say outlaw is still better or assa ?

[gusty mirage]

Esp on last boss in dos because its a bitch to kill that add solo as a rogue w/o some help

[elfin forge]

Does Emeni's Lead by Example have an internal CD?

[thorn turtle]

Didn’t have any troubles as rogue on the adds

Both assa and outlul

[balmy condor]

No

[gusty mirage]

18s and up it gets super tight

[elfin forge]

ty

[thorn turtle]

Well I just reached ksm on Tuesday

So can’t tell bout higher than 15

[gusty mirage]

Yeah its fine 15/16s level, but above that it gets sketchy

[north basin]

1 thing i cant decide. whats best talent + lego combo on sludge. the MA lego + mfd looks so promising on these 100% inc damage windows. but cant back it up with sims/math. any ideas?

[onyx wind]

So how many plaguefall runs are u guys at

[elfin forge]

sorry 1 more question. Does Each of the 3 stacks of Bone spike count separately for Doomblade? 15% more envenom dmg? or just once? or at all?

[thorn turtle]

At like 5

[onyx wind]

15s?

[thorn turtle]

Cuz work

[onyx wind]

Same, been busy

Been in like 10 grps

only 3 of them finished the dungeon LOL

[ruby birch]

Doomblade is only with the bleeds on your current target

[storm forum]

What are we running PF for? The trinket?

[thorn turtle]

Yeah

[hollow seal]

standard st + doomblade

[onyx wind]

trinket and ring

[balmy raft]

what's your thoughts about vendetta legendary?

[storm forum]

Just get a 226 version out of your weekly box :)

[ruby birch]

JUST

[onyx wind]

:)

[thorn turtle]

Kekw, haven’t seen it drop once anywhere

[dim shoal]

Update: After 12 runs ive finally gotten the crit haste ring from pf 15

[north basin]

its all people using. but iam not sure its best for sludge

[dim shoal]

still no sign of trinket

[onyx wind]

gonna do a +19 with guildies in a bit

ill let u know how assa performs

[storm forum]

Grats

[thorn turtle]

I did like uhm 150+ runs of pf

Didn’t see a phial drop once

[dim shoal]

150?

[onyx wind]

150 ???

[dim shoal]

thats a yikes

[onyx wind]

u mean 15?

[hollow seal]

it works fine for me

[north basin]

btw got 207 trinket out of 2 runs. but there were 2 failed runs aswell so technically 4 runs xD

[thorn turtle]

Not 15s

[dim shoal]

my man grinding plaguefall since wotlk

[thorn turtle]

I been doing phial hunting since it became good, basically from the start

[north basin]

ye 7800 looks good man. but if if there is possibility to squeeze lil bit more ouuta other leg /talent combo

specifically on sludge

[dim shoal]

i mean im grinding m+ since day 1

and ive done like 170 runs

you cant tell me youve only done plaguefall for so often xD

[thorn turtle]

Where can I see the total amount of runs I did?

[north basin]

its just cant be lol. so many runs and no trinket?xD u are in tank spec or w/e ha

[onyx wind]

m+ runs show on raider.io

[dim shoal]

raider.io go on your nameplate
hold shift

you can see how many runs youve timed

[gusty mirage]

I've done 20 plaguefalls this season and I swear I've seen the phial drop only once

and a warrior gave it to me, bless his heart

[ruby birch]

Phial drops for my DH on every run

[onyx wind]

Yea but i need 220 phial

[ruby birch]

But never for my rogue

[onyx wind]

so couldnt farm it earlier

:(

[ruby birch]

So sad

[storm forum]

Have you considered multi boxing so your dh can trade it to your rogue?

[ruby birch]

LOL

[gusty mirage]

^ HUGE BRAIN

[ruby birch]

They're on the same account

I have considered it

[gusty mirage]

welp time to give papa ion some more $$$

[midnight mist]

when i look at the icy veins opener for the ma talent they say to cast Mutilate from stealth, why not cast Ambush since it does more damage award the same combot point and cost the same energy?

[storm forum]

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[ruby birch]

EYY

[ornate lake]

I love the new command, 😄

[ruby birch]

THE COMMAND

[storm forum]

I've never seen a command get such insane value

[midnight mist]

u get 4 cp when critting with mutilate?

[ruby birch]

The oh command for sub worked amazingly too

[onyx wind]

Also ambush tooltip says 3k but it actually does 2k

[dim shoal]

@thorn turtle

[ruby birch]

Yes cuz it's with main hand and offhand

[formal cliff]

oh shit we dont ambush from stealth lol

[dim shoal]

To see how many runs youve done @thorn turtle

[midnight mist]

It say blindside in the command what is it

[thorn turtle]

I’m pretty sure I have more untimed runs

Than timed, due to playing with mates

[storm forum]

Blindside is the name of the talent

[cyan prawn]

level 15 talent

[midnight mist]

oh yeah ok was looking into passives and shit thanks

[onyx wind]

Anyone else hitting insane dps on m+ bosses as assa?

with pride+lust i can sit at 10k for like 1:30 min

[burnt star]

what soulbind u play as venthyr on m+?

[onyx wind]

lashing scars

[thorn turtle]

Nadjia or theotar

[onyx wind]

oh soulbind mb

[spark grail]

does the crit lego affect bleeds btw? garrote and rupture on assa for example?

[onyx wind]

yes

but only in the window, no snapshotting

[gentle gyro]

can you imagine if they did snapshot though

[spark grail]

ahh ok i understand

yeh that would be nuts

i thought there is no way it snapshots

[thorn turtle]

They would delete the spec the next day

[spark grail]

would be like bfa season one with garrote assa rogue

[shut edge]

I play theotar in m+

[neon siren]

am i blind or is there a suggested aoe opener for m+?

[onyx wind]

I play theotar to increase my boomie and mage's dmg :)

[thorn turtle]

Multi garrote

[onyx wind]

I bring them tea, they boom the boss

[spark grail]

whats assa like in m+?

i just assumed yall played outlaw

[balmy condor]

3 garrotes into a rup/ct into a garrote

[thorn turtle]

Always has been assa

[onyx wind]

assa is ok

[thorn turtle]

Not from the start, but like solid 1.5 months

[drifting light]

WTB shrouded suffocation back

[onyx wind]

outlaw is just a lot better

[spark grail]

ss was so nice

[onyx wind]

but assa can prob compete in some dungeons

[storm forum]

This please

[formal cliff]

CT?

[onyx wind]

i hate having RNG in my opener so much man

[spark grail]

legit i thought ss would of been baked into garrotes from stealth still

[onyx wind]

u can do 2x 2cp mutilates on ST in opener

[balmy condor]

Crimson tempest

[storm forum]

Crimson tempest

[onyx wind]

and ur just so sad man

[spark grail]

its so weird that it gives 1 cbp

[neon siren]

outlaw is better, roll the bones is cancer.. we all wish sin was better in m+

[spark grail]

i wish sub was best

for all situations wont lie

[thorn turtle]

Nah

Sub is boring

[cyan prawn]

wdym

[neon siren]

its personal preferance ^^

[thorn turtle]

Re read

[visual stratus]

Man look at the logs from raid so far

Fucking awesome to see

[spark grail]

is it outlandish to say we should get a nerfed smoke bomb as baseline btw

i dont get why its ok dk has amz but we cant get bomb

10% dmg reduction for like 10 seconds

[visual stratus]

Yea is 10% too op?

[storm forum]

Cause we get shroud of concealment :)

[visual stratus]

Maybe reduce the duration a little

[spark grail]

well like tbh

priest dome is complete shit

cos of how tight the stack is right

smoke bomb is the same size

[visual stratus]

Imagine having raid util

[thorn turtle]

Imagine getting invited to raids

All we bring is pre pull shroud

Just for it to look cool

[spark grail]

imagine playing a ww in raid enjoying it completely then blizzard went back to work after lockdown

[thorn turtle]

[cyan prawn]

as a sub we can even shroud mid pull

[storm forum]

My guild made me bring my priest to council prog last Tuesday. :)

[thorn turtle]

My guild disbanded after not being able to kill site hc

[spark grail]

[thorn turtle]

Pugged curve that same evening

[storm forum]

F

[visual stratus]

Yikes

[spark grail]

the assa channel is way nicer than the sub channel man

so much edge over in sub chat

[cyan prawn]

sub is dead spec, that'S why

unfortunately

[spark grail]

you get insta pin checked if you say anything in sub

[nova flax]

Why do i go out of energy after my mutilate snd mutilate >:(. Its only 3 spells

[thorn turtle]

Also 70% of guild left to play PoE

[visual stratus]

Yea people are bitter about it

[thorn turtle]

Other 29% left for valheim

[thorn dove]

with DS do we still mut>snd>mut>gar>rup? im asking because i have to wait 2-3 secs before i can cast garrote

[onyx wind]

depends on lust or not

without lust i use vendetta kinda early for energy

so like mut rup mut vend garrote snd

[dire violet]

You'll notice in the sim it actually accounts for you not having the energy quite yet.

[storm forum]

My guild has been really resistant to that stuff which has been nice. Classic only took one of our raiders and whenever new games come out we don't really touch them until the mid-tier lull

[thorn turtle]

My guild had ppl failing on hc shriek while doing reflects till sire

Reclears *

[wanton reef]

Is it worth using the maim-mangle soulbind toghether with doomsblade 😛 ?

[frigid kestrel]

M+ can i go Deeper Strat? I know pins say MFD, but like... I hate MFD

[thorn dove]

@onyx wind thanks that feels much smoother for the opener with lust

[onyx wind]

Idk if its actually better, its just needed on sludgefist

so ive been doing it XD

feels nice tho

[storm forum]

Play what you want, I play vigor in keys cause I'm dumb and don't have an open bar slot for MFD

[dire violet]

Don't have an open bar slot as sin?

[cyan prawn]

you'd rather play vigor than DS if you dont want MfD **in keys

[frigid kestrel]

DS just seems better to me then Vigor... like we dont need energy since we get so much, ye?

[storm forum]

If you have like 25% haste DS is probably better

[frigid kestrel]

Or am i being a small brain rogue again?

[onyx wind]

getting all bleeds up fast is nice

but on tyrannical its kinda whatever

[storm forum]

I could make one, but I'm lazy and I would forget it and it would be a dumb bind like ctrl-r or something

I have a lot of macros like kick/blind focus and stuff cluttering up easier binds

[onyx wind]

I got this guy to invite a priest in a +12

so i can get PI

LOL

[cyan prawn]

focus keybinds for me are just shift + the keybind the normal thing is. e.g. Kick on F - Focuskick on Shift-F

[gentle gyro]

time to fly 5 times from sinfall to oribos and back to buy conduit upgrades

[blazing arrow]

Kind of a PITA eh?

The portal to oribos should just be default from level 1

[storm forum]

I have that just for my kick binds (t/shift-t) but my blind and shadowstep and stuff are already on shift binds (shift-f and shift-c) I had focus step on ctrl-f for a while but now that's my soulshape bind and I just click my focus blind macro lol

[gloomy fern]

anyone simmed what the dps increase is between lashing on 200/213/226?

[blazing arrow]

Minimal

[near apex]

I simmed the dif between 171 and 213 and it was 17dps

[gloomy fern]

ye so not worth the stygia then

[near apex]

It’s still a gain

[gentle gyro]

what else would you use your stygia for

[pastel apex]

I m night fae if i want try sin have i to switch ventyr?

[hollow seal]

no

[spice spire]

You do not have to switch to venthyr. Night fae is still pretty good

[pastel apex]

Ok

Thx

[spice spire]

Any time!

[burnt star]

is it possible to make a macro to either be crimson tempest, and if talent not selected be ambush?

i know u can make talent specific macro.. but ambush isnt 1 of them...

[blazing arrow]

@pastel apex bare in mind that sims are sims. Patchwerk is 5 mins when you never leave the boss.

Sepsis can be better if you're forced off the boss

Shape is very good mobility. Which sin lacks compared to the other rogue specs

[sick cairn]

guys, if i mainly use assasination to raid

doom blade is the way?

or is zoldyck still BIS?

[spark grail]

db is looking best atm

[blazing arrow]

Pins

[spark grail]

on wclogs anyway

[sick cairn]

i keep frogeting to look at pins

mb

[blazing arrow]

Zoldyck is better on fights that are execute heavy like sire

[sick cairn]

they turned the 4 piece set from legion into a leggo -_-

wot

[limber lion]

They did that for like 80% of the legendaries

Either tier sets or old legion legendaries

[sick cairn]

oh cool

[limber lion]

And not just for Rogue legendaries but literally most legendaries.

But why change something that works? (jk they've nerfed/changed the values of many)

[lofty shell]

werent we getting back tier sets in this xpac

curious how that will turn out

[brave lagoon]

Is it possible to druid's stampeding roar breaking stealth and shroud? Never happened when i shrouded in 9.0.1 with my OT, and yesterday it wiped us. Is it bug or is it some weird interaction with subterfuge?

[limber lion]

Yeah in 9.2 probably. They said that they are coming, but not yet in 9.1

My guess is that we can use 2 legendaries in 9.1 and then get tier sets in 9.2

[lean coral]

the druid will come out of stealth for a second when they use the roar if they dont use it from cat stealth

[lofty shell]

imagine that would make some crazy stuff possible

[limber lion]

No, stampeding roar does not break stealth/shroud. I've heard some people have issues with Fleshcraft though by running on top of dead corpses

[silent fossil]

anyone know if you're running doom in a multi target scenario if it's worth multi-dotting the doom bleed or nah

[limber lion]

You don't want to multi-dot the DB bleed.

It works like ignite, where you add damage on top of the previous bleed.

So it starts low and ramps up

[silent fossil]

ah ok

outlaw idiot here

[lofty shell]

^i understood it same way

thx for not making me ask that question

[blazing arrow]

@silent fossil DB is a strictly ST legendary if you want one that's good on multi-target zoldyck is the play.

Information that can be found by reading the pins

[silent fossil]

yeah i just swapped lastnight and only had the ash to make one so wont have the option for a while

[brave lagoon]

It is happening now in Torghast, where druid uses roar, it breakes my stealth as sin. Will try that later with different talents and specs. Just asking, if you someone encountered same problem. :c

[lofty shell]

torghast could have other stuff breaking your stealth tho

yday i picked that darkness potion thingy and i was killing teammates with it somehow

[strange python]

guys, another question to rogue maniacs - for night fae rogue whats better on raid => subterfuge + garrote/ambush/rupture or MA with mutilate/SND then mutilate/envenom spam on vanish? So good to hear other ppl thoughts !

[limber lion]

I'm guessing there's something else going on as well that breaks the stealth, but maybe there's an anima power or something that messed up with the Stampeding Roar

[blazing arrow]

@strange python pins

[brave lagoon]

We just started and are out of combat. Prob weird interaction with subterfuge. I will try again, when we are done

[brave lagoon]

As i wrote happened yesterday too in m+ HoA. Never happened before as OT.

[wet ruin]

in the past subterfuge has had many bugs that randomly break you out of stealth, try it without it and see if it happens

[limber lion]

And neither of you are Necro?

Welp, blame Blizzard's 🍝 code

[brave lagoon]

Im venthyr, never switched, druid is NF, also never switched :c

[gentle gyro]

https://i.imgur.com/V1lzEWa.png
almost outdamaged a 220 boomie.

our time is now

[stoic needle]

[gentle gyro]

sin-stocks are rising rapidly

insert diamond hands meme here

[spice spire]

To the moon

Or whatever the kids say

[fallen current]

🚀🌕

[limber lion]

I've actually always out-dps'd Boomies in my groups. Is Boomie even great in keys or is it just a Convoke bot? Or am I just playing with garbage boomies all the time lol

Because they seem to do lots of dps during convoke windows then they're like sub without Shadow dance

Or Fire Mage without combust

So pretty much useless

[gloomy fern]

bad week for their starfall though

small pulls

[gentle gyro]

i can just compare it to the two owls in my guild

which are both nuts

[polar cape]

Boumy pop off in giga pull with uncapped aoe

[strange python]

I am still new here, can you explain? sorry don't understand 😦

[blazing arrow]

Read the pins and check out the guides on icyveins and wowhead

Tbh I dont really understand your question.

[tepid iris]

Top right of the discord client has a little thumbtack

click that

it'll show the 'pinned messages', which holds the key to a lot of frequently asked questions

[slow merlin]

Guys, I'm Kyrian and I play in raid sub for single target bosses + outlaw for cleave and aoe+ and outlaw for m+ . I want to switch from sub to assa. What do you say is the best covenant for assa + outlaw? Venthyr is simming top for single target for both, but the worst for outlaw dungeon slice. I'm thinking about necro. Top for outlaw aoe by far and very close to fae for assa single + top for assa cleave. Am I wrong?

[shell iris]

!bs

[prisma monolith]

Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message

[tepid iris]

They're all pretty close, you'll always do the best DPS with what you feel most comfortable pulling off.

if you're swapping specs, this is most true, and NF is a great cross-roads between specs

[shadow helm]

pog new infexious video

[blazing arrow]

Fuck off with your infexious videos

[shadow helm]

POGGERS

[stoic needle]

Delete this right now

[tepid iris]

also, I got a chance to do assassinate last night in heroics and lol did I take Huntsman's lunch money and slap his books on the floor

Nerd.

[fallen current]

Now to save up ash for zol and maybe swap

[gloomy fern]

get doomblade instead

[short comet]

My guild just downed mythic council now to convince them to let me switch off Boomy and bring the stabby boi

[fallen current]

I don’t raid so

[blazing arrow]

Goodluck with that

[short comet]

Yea if only

[tepid iris]

This is why I don't do alts 😉

[strange python]

Hi guys.....played Sub for the last months in our heroic guild and would like to try Assassin now.....how good is it after the patch?

[tepid iris]

Very

[blazing arrow]

@strange python good

[gentle gyro]

it's the GME of wow specs

[quick vale]

Should I still pool energy in my shiv window or just spend the envenom when I can ?

[tepid iris]

it's slower than outlaw (so it's not JOHN FUCKING MADDEN), but rewards good playstyle

[fallen current]

💎🙌

[blazing arrow]

I'd say it just is flat out better than sub on all fights save maybe SKS and sludge

[hushed marlin]

whats wrong with infexious video?

[strange python]

thank you guys.....should I get Doomblade?

[tepid iris]

@quick vale Yes, always pool for shiv window if you aren't dropping dots

[blazing arrow]

@hushed marlin it has Infexious in it

[hushed marlin]

seems decent

[blazing arrow]

Good player. Spreads random misinformation.

Is frowned upon here

[gentle gyro]

declined from 32 dungeons in a row before i got into a +10. has to be some sort of record.

[hushed marlin]

ahhh gotcha

[quick vale]

I mean when I’m already in my shiv window should I pool at all or just spend when I am able to do so ? Sorry if it’s a stupid question

[near lark]

I wonder is senpai aroudn

around

[stoic needle]

Spam envenoms after shiv

[quick vale]

Great ty for the answer

[spice spire]

The problem from my understanding is that he operates with feel craft and spreads it as true information, when that’s not always the case

Late I know, sorry.

[near lark]

Where people fitting flag into their opening?

[blazing arrow]

After vendetta I believe

[near lark]

Makes sense, will have to try that

[gentle gyro]

we need !opener or sth

[blazing arrow]

I mean not really.

[icy crater]

just quick sim and look at the opener

[blazing arrow]

It changes based on your covenant

And you can use your brain

[gentle gyro]

you could say that for every command though

[blazing arrow]

You dont want to bleed during MA windows.

Spend minimal CP on SnD

[fluid dust]

How is assassination with necrolord? I feel let down by venthyr, seems very boring and kinda ehhh to play with and I want a covenant thats good for m+ outlaw as well as single target assassination

[slow merlin]

@tepid iris Ok, thanks. Based on pins necro is top for 3 target assa cleave, I guess for two target cleave is top as well. I tried to sim my char and necro is the second best for single about 5 dps above fae. Venthyr outlaw aoe is lagging 433 dps below necro with my gear. So necro seems like the way for assa + outlaw.

[near lark]

You've not seent he power of flag

[grim wolf]

any1 have a good method for leveling up reknown after switching? just went over to castlevania gang. can you just spam heroic dungeons for the catch up reknown?

[blazing arrow]

@fluid dust that's not going to change with necro.

Sin is the "boring" rogue spec.

[gentle gyro]

there is a total of 7 items that can drop from MoTS for Sin, and I managed to get every single one except the dagger

[fluid dust]

Yeah I'm okay with Sin, Its just that i've found vethyr specific ability flag and door of shadows kinda just meh

[main shard]

I just did the covenant campaign, callings, weeklies, and some dungeons casually and got to 30 in like 3 days of just playing in the evening

[fluid dust]

I get it gives a ton of damage, but its playstyle and utility is kinda off to me idk why

[blazing arrow]

Necro from what I hear is also aids to use now unless they changed the way that CP is applied

[fluid dust]

ah damn :/

Guess I'll just have to put up with venthy

[quick vale]

@fluid dust then don't play it. all rogue covenants are so close to each other, pick a style you like. if you're chasing after numbers, you're likely playing Outlaw or another class anyway

[celest rover]

SBS applies CP on hit and not on cast so there's weird flight time

[blazing arrow]

^

[grim wolf]

did you leave the souls/anima weekly quest for last? just to push to that 30?

[fluid dust]

oh eww, does that mean if you're far enough away you could have your gcd come back up while its still mid-air?

[blazing arrow]

No

You lose it

Oh sorry I didnt understand what you meNt

[main shard]

I did them when I needed the renown to get to the next part of the campaign

[celest rover]

Essentially

[main shard]

But just enough to reach the next part

[grim wolf]

oh ok cool right on thanks brotha

[blazing arrow]

@fluid dust if the mob dies while SBS is traveling you lose the charge is what I meant

[fluid dust]

oh okay

[celest rover]

Also need to consider that flag gives a significant haste buff on top of the large amount of damage

[limber lion]

You pool before using Shiv so you spend as much time spamming abilities during the window

[low bramble]

for a fight like Huntsman would we try to keep the Doomblade mutilate dot up on both targets?

[quick vale]

thats what i was doing but i was double checking it thanks for helping me very much appreciated

[celest rover]

I might be wrong but I don't see a benefit of keeping doomblade on both?

[low bramble]

I just figure its another bleed but idk if its worth

[tame topaz]

New to assass - did they remove toxic blade?

[ruby birch]

@tame topaz its now on shiv

[celest rover]

Doesn't proc energy like rupture or garrote, and the damage adds up ignite style anyways

[limber lion]

Like Eden said, no you don't.

[stoic needle]

Why wouldn't you

The dogs and huntsman share damage

Maybe you don't go chasing the dog across the room to keep up mutilate

But if they're stacked on each other there's no reason not to

[heady rain]

On M council is it worth using garrote/rupture on non-focus boss for energy regen?

[stoic needle]

Just garotte

[heady rain]

On 1 or 2 non-focus?

[stoic needle]

1

[icy crater]

So if I have vers main stat on every single piece of gear equipped am I in a wheelchair or?

[heady rain]

kk thought sso

ty

[slender trail]

no, you're fine

[icy crater]

Ok I'm just a literal dog then

[slender trail]

yes

[icy crater]

woof

fuck me

[stoic needle]

You're a pvper

[gloomy fern]

im playing sin with 909 vers

[icy crater]

I have like 1100+

LOL

[heady rain]

Should I only refresh Envenom when it hits epidemic or should I just make sure I'm not capping energy when I recast it?

[gloomy fern]

just mash ur buttons, it works for me

[heady rain]

lol

[slender trail]

for fun, go to raidbots and sim out a piece with "optimal" secondaries, same ilevel. it's not insanely different. you'll do fine with your current gear and can start a more optimal sin set as you go.

[lunar pelican]

im getting inconsistent info: sepsis before or after vendetta?

[gloomy fern]

remove it from your bar, we are venthyr now

[lunar pelican]

aight

[limber lion]

Doesn't really matter. Whichever feels better for you. I'd do Vendetta first.

[lunar pelican]

thank ya

[chrome mirage]

How much haste you need to make sin slap

[limber lion]

0

[chrome mirage]

I'll take you at your word

[limber lion]

Assa is not reliant on a specific stat

[shadow helm]

infexous brought me here guys

wat stats

[topaz junco]

is sin good

havent played in 2 months

[ornate lake]

well i ahd 22% haste with vigor last wednesday. And that felt inefficient for me. Capped on energy and gcd starved

[shadow helm]

[spice spire]

It’s in a good spot rn

[stoic needle]

How does one be capped on energy but gcd starved

[subtle tundra]

if you get energy capped on single target you're doing something wrong

[spice spire]

Energy regen faster than you can spend, seems sus tho

[ornate lake]

Exactly

[spice spire]

That’s like BFA shit

[ornate lake]

It was during a BL or Vendetta / euphoria etc

[stoic needle]

Yeah I'm pretty sure that's not possible

[ornate lake]

Just felt bad

[stoic needle]

Well yes that's what bloodlust does

Deeper strat helps

[spice spire]

Had 23% with vigor earlier.
Oh sure. During very specific times and maybe a mechanic. But during vendetta you should still be able to pump out before it caps

[ornate lake]

Yeah oxi mentioned it. Gonna try it out. Also sims 50 dps higher

[spice spire]

And also yeah deeper strat is the play if you’re feeling strapped

VIA GCD*

[prisma yoke]

deeper is nice ... when you have haste from any source it pumps, when there is a lull you get a breather to think about the next big envenom crit

[strange python]

then it doesn't crit

[lofty shell]

how much haste are you talking to make deeper worth considering?

[strange python]

there's no haste value

you just sim

[prisma yoke]

sims told me to go crit/haste on doomblade R4 ... so it will never let me down

[strange python]

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[lofty shell]

think i simmed myself yday without legendary and vigor = DS having like 23% haste on gear

[stoic needle]

It's roughly 10% as venthyr and 25% as other covenants for ds to outsim vigor

[shadow pivot]

I'm playing w/ only 350 haste and Deeper is already the go according to sims

venthyr btw

[lofty shell]

i think in my sim deeper and vigor were like 0.4% apart

but i'm still on kyrian

[gentle gyro]

+10 keys are an abyss, holy moly

[lofty shell]

but rio

[gentle gyro]

https://i.imgur.com/EKnBVGO.png

overall mists +10, lul

[lofty shell]

lmfaao

[stoic needle]

They should be paying you for the carry

[lofty shell]

literally

did u time it?

[prisma yoke]

my 208 SV does at least 4.6k in a +10 mists

[gentle gyro]

barely

[lofty shell]

oof

[stoic needle]

They're just bad

Ret and sv pump in keys

[strange python]

The good ones do lol

[lofty shell]

if rets dont pump in keys idk whats wrong

[stoic needle]

True lol

[lofty shell]

press divine storm = win

[prisma yoke]

ST is weak as SV but sustained AoE is heaven

[rustic thunder]

did any1 go necro?

[shy dust]

Complaining about pugs in keys

[strange python]

I feel the Ret paladin struggle it's REALLY REALLY fucking hard to press divine storm.

[shy dust]

[strange python]

I don't know how they do it tbh

[strange python]

yes

[lofty shell]

i do it on my ret but he keeps complaining about not having holy power

[onyx wind]

AAAAAAA

I HATE PLAGUEFALL

[stoic needle]

Plaguefall is suffering

[lofty shell]

ppl farming it too hard

[icy crater]

i like pf