assassination

[onyx wind]

Also its only 3 seconds compared to 4 seconds with the legendary

[dense bramble]

i remember MoP days when we would stack 100% mastery and our poisons hit like a truck

[torpid spoke]

Gives sins another cd to essentially use too.

[quiet juniper]

zoldyck seems rly strong in raid tho

[crisp edge]

so far i think duskwalker is just the better answer to everything in pvp since it does what MA does in a better way

[turbid fiber]

Hey all. I have been playing sub for raid since the beginning of Shadowlands, but is assassination better now? And should I then go doomblade as legendary?

[torpid spoke]

Also when we get 2 legendaries, which one would you use

[wraith badge]

Anyone know how to track Doomblade dmg within a Wa %s and %p aren't showing

[onyx wind]

It is really strong, especially on some fights

It just doesnt sim as highly due to the nature of sims

Compared to actual fights

[torpid spoke]

Doomblade for single target, and check pins

[quiet juniper]

I see, i'll just craft both lv 1 and see what they got

[honest basin]

Hey. Niya's herbs are simming higher even though it makes me have only one potency, and unless it procs without me using heals, I don't really understand why it sims that way (esp since I didn't put recuperator in the sim). Is it a bug, or is it really better although only Vial would be a trigger ?

[turbid fiber]

Okay, i will check it out. Thank you very much

[onyx wind]

Slice and dice is coded such that it heals you for 0 without recuperator

Which counts as a heal for the trigger

So slice and dice procs it even without recuperator

[limber lion]

Soothing Darkness also procs it if you're in stealth

As Assa

[torpid spoke]

Does the shield proc it or does it have to be a heal. The conduit shield

[onyx wind]

Also, i still havent figured out whether its better to vanish->envenom->mut->envenom or mut env mut

[formal cliff]

dungeon bosses do

[onyx wind]

Second is better for flag

[clear lynx]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[onyx wind]

But idk if it makes up for the crit on envenom

[honest basin]

Ah. So we do actually do better with only one potency, and Niya's herbs.

[wraith badge]

i need help with tracking Mutilated flesh dmg number in a weakaura

[onyx wind]

I have no idea, but it does proc off slice and dice

[balmy condor]

It’s always been very similar, the sims do both in fact because it doesn’t care

[balmy condor]

Why tho

[wraith badge]

personal pref, would it be similar to an ignite tracker?

[peak helm]

did you sim burrs? I'd be surprised if it's not your highest

[balmy condor]

Yeah it would be basically identical to an ignite tracker

[honest basin]

Actually no

I shall

[balmy condor]

I just don’t see the point of cluttering your screen for that

[peak helm]

whispyr lemme see your ui pls

for inspiration

[wraith badge]

i find it easier for me to centralize my buff/auras and makes my screen feel more open (im not running "normal" buff/debuff tracking

[limber lion]

My UI is big dick

I've spent so much time on it, it's actually dumb

[balmy condor]

I streamed my entire raid last night, link is in the profile

[limber lion]

I was so devastated when I got fucked by the random WTF-folder reset

Learned my lesson for sure :--)

Backup your WTF folders boys

[balmy condor]

Cev I stood in a sludge charge last night out of greed

[limber lion]

noooo

[pliant roost]

Grim codex or decanter for m+? Both sim real close...

[limber lion]

Was it the first charge as well?

[balmy condor]

Decanter is passive

[balmy condor]

4th

[limber lion]

Ahh

[pliant roost]

Ta

[limber lion]

Did you get any juicy Envenom's on the other pillars?

[balmy condor]

I played deeper

Standard single target

[limber lion]

Ahhh, I thought you were going EP NS MFD

[balmy condor]

I thought so too

[limber lion]

[lost mist]

how much is a "decent" amount of haste to playing sin? 10~20%? (for raid)

[balmy condor]

But mfd is only because you can enven enven mut enven

So that’s 4 seconds, which is MA legs

And I wanted to play doomblade

Which is like

[limber lion]

Aah yeah that makes sense

[balmy condor]

A lot less appealing

[limber lion]

If the MA talent was 4s it would probably work

Unless of course you get absolutely shat on by RNG and don't crit with either hand

[balmy condor]

That’s completely personal preference, I raided sin at 3%

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[lost mist]

nice 🙂 and which stats should i aim? crit-haste?

[balmy condor]

Haste crit/vers

[lost mist]

ty ❤️

[balmy condor]

But really just ilvl

And go

[clear lynx]

Is there a feedback channel for the guides?

[sage siren]

When playing deeper, do we mutilate 3x with bad krit rng?

[limber lion]

Just don't do what I did and get 36% mastery

[balmy condor]

People worry about secondaries way too much

[balmy condor]

Yea

[lost mist]

actually 224 - 24/14/27/18

[balmy condor]

Dm me and I can shuffle it along to the right people

[spice spire]

@stoic needle ‘s dream

[balmy condor]

I have 40% mast cause all my 226’s from vault have obscene mastery on it

[limber lion]

But poisonb0ss69 told me that Assa needs 34% haste to feel good and start pumping

[balmy condor]

I think I had a 14k enven crit on hungering

[wooden perch]

is doomblade usable in m+?

[spice spire]

34

[wooden perch]

id only play assa for nw

[balmy condor]

Technically yes, wouldn’t recommend

[wooden perch]

and then maybe raid

[limber lion]

Yeaaah pretty much same, I got new pants today with vers-haste so I got rid of like 70 mastery

[spice spire]

I’d not recommend it for m+.
Definitely stick to MA or Zoldyck

[wooden perch]

its bis for raid tho right?

is zoldyck far behind in raid?

[limber lion]

Depends on the fight big man

[spice spire]

Yes and no

But it’s clearly Doomblade above. But not like FAR behind, sims show numbers on it

[fleet whale]

blizz should let you scrap leggos for soul ash

[dense axle]

I bet they will

9.1 feature

[brittle pawn]

prepatch feature

[dense axle]

lol

[tulip willow]

whats sin like for M+?

[fleet whale]

it's decent

not outlaw level but still good

[balmy condor]

Better than sub

[spice spire]

Toxic

[tulip willow]

how far behind outlaw?

[dense axle]

depends on the player

[fleet whale]

depends on dungeon and your groups pulls honestly

and yeah player skill too

[balmy condor]

A non-quantifiable amount

[brittle pawn]

whats the ideal pull size for sin?

[tender fjord]

1

[fleet whale]

3-5

[dense axle]

I am going to do a few plagues as Sin tonight and see where I end up

[dense axle]

lol

[balmy condor]

Either 3,6, or a million

[near lark]

A million and hope for plaguebomb rng god

[balmy condor]

What

No

A million and spread ct to 30 mobs

[dense axle]

well, we run crimson in M+

[fleet whale]

plaguebomb was is this a new ability

[near lark]

I'm messing

[normal mist]

Quick question: do I play EP or BS? And do I use the ambush proc? Or just keep muting? Stupid confuse rn

[dense axle]

it's a proc for free

just use it

[balmy condor]

Bs single target, use the proc

[fleet whale]

us ambush on proc unless if you are already on 4 or 5 cps, or 5 or 6 if DS

then you use finisher first, then bs

[sleek sparrow]

Takes talent, doesn't use the talent. Checks out

[dense axle]

can we say "bush"?

[normal mist]

Alright I was confused about sepsis proc nvm!

[dense axle]

cause BS sounds like backstab

[sleek sparrow]

Sin doesn't have backstab

[fleet whale]

funny thing was that sin's old execute, dispatch, people literally just called it frontstab lol

cause it shared the same icon and animation

[dense axle]

lol

[sleek sparrow]

Can we just call it scambush

[dense axle]

im still not used to Shiv in place of TB

[fleet whale]

i wish we just had tb baseline

[dense axle]

weird purple thing happens and my eyes focus on it

[fleet whale]

so shiv could be kept to utility

[dense axle]

agreed

[kindred rapids]

I want a spec where backstab does damage

[fleet whale]

classic rogue

[kindred rapids]

yeah :/

[dense axle]

classic is thataway ->

[fleet whale]

backstab did chunky damage though in Cata

[dense axle]

that was like a decade ago

[balmy condor]

The good old days of sin scaling

[dense axle]

the S word!!

[fleet whale]

ironically, sin scaled the worst of the three specs

when scaling was a thing

[brittle pawn]

wym, look how hard sin scaled yesterday

[balmy condor]

Oh I know

[dense axle]

lol we scaled so hard

[fleet whale]

scaling is so a decade ago, the new hot topic is "damage Profiles"

[tidal gorge]

Imagine if they had released those snake people as an allied race. Then rogues really would have scaling

[zealous marsh]

it's insane that i'm doing more dps in assa with lower ilvl and shitty conduit than in sub

[dense axle]

na, cause even then no one would play alliance

[zealous marsh]

i'm crying

[tender fjord]

Yesterday I simmed 5600, today I sim 6200. I scaled overnight

Passive scaling is the best scaling

[sleek sparrow]

[fleet whale]

honestly what is a "good" damage profile, and why is it beneficial

[dense axle]

dependson the bosses

[balmy condor]

?

[fleet whale]

is it like bad that for sub evis is like 40% of your damage

[dense axle]

say you have adds every 30s and you have a 30s CD thats big burst dmg

that dmg profile works well with that boss

[brittle pawn]

when tf is eviscerate 40% of your damage other than never?

[balmy condor]

Or if you have 3 min cds and sun king shield is 3 min apart

[dense axle]

oh yeha, or shield dmg with Sub

[balmy condor]

Or if you have execute damage and it’s sire

[novel dragon]

Is doomblade the new legendary to go for now in latest patch?

[mossy sable]

Are you guys still playing with Vigor or have you started using something like DS?

[dense axle]

yes

[dense axle]

sim

[mossy sable]

DS Simmed Higher

[balmy condor]

I used DS

[mossy sable]

I was just asking what others are doing

[balmy condor]

Was fine

[tidal gorge]

I did Choreghast for the first time as Venthyr last night. Having 100% haste from Flag was pretty amazing, it was like the olden days of Ny'alotha

[pseudo pelican]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[balmy condor]

And yet exsang still sucks

[limber lion]

I did a run with DS and it's a bit

[vast hound]

is zoldyck better than Doomblade at Sire heroic?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[mossy sable]

So if your actively in combat S&D should just never run out

[balmy condor]

Yes

[tender fjord]

I play necro and Deeper Strategem sims 48dps higher than Vigor

[mossy sable]

I see why the got rid of the energy regen part

[thorn dove]

is ti worth holding flag for vendetta?

[balmy condor]

Only if you won’t lose a cast

So generally no

[tender fjord]

Thought the DS thingy would only apply to venth, I don’t really have an obscene amount of haste

[twilit quiver]

What's your take on the doomblade glove stats? I see many going haste crit, but maybe haste vers seems better (looking at you !stats).

[thorn dove]

ok cool, i was thinking that 30 secs is too long to wait right

[balmy condor]

Haste crit and haste Vers are identical mostly

[balmy condor]

I mean, again, if you’re not going to lose a cast, you’re not going to lose a cast

So holding is whatever

[mossy sable]

RIP Looks like I need to run Torghast again, since Zold is no longer top dog

[balmy condor]

But you have to know that before the fight

[twilit quiver]

It's always such a risky thing crafting the legendaries. I hate regretting my choice and throwing the soul ash in the bin 😄
But ye, I'm leaning towards haste / vers

[balmy condor]

So it’s usually useless

[manic harness]

I went Haste/Vers in case I want to use it in pvp

[twilit quiver]

Ye that is an afterthought of mine, too.

[tender fjord]

Same

Then again, 55vers is not a lot

[twilit quiver]

But if you take pvp seriously no vers is pretty garbo :/

[lost mist]

shiv on cd?

[twilit quiver]

Although we die within a global anyway so LUL

[mossy sable]

Rogues as a whole RIP

I die like that as Outlaw so often

[jaunty kayak]

is crafting zoldyck a bad idea now? :/

[mossy sable]

Check pins

[graceful meteor]

So I already collect my soul ashes to craft my legendary r4, but still I dont know if I should craft Doomblade or Zold (Note: we are still progressing on CN not jet on Sire)

[tender fjord]

Bonespike rework plus the 500% thorghast power is very fun btw. I two shotted final boss. First hit was 198k

[pastel osprey]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[balmy condor]

Ye

[mossy sable]

I am going for Doom cause I already have Zold and only run Sin on ST bosses and currently ones we have on clear since I am ass at sin still

We are only in Heroic though

[pastel osprey]

does any1 has a dot tracking WA for multiple targets ?

[mossy sable]

I do, yes

[jaunty kayak]

i wanted to mostly run m+ and raiding from time to time as a sin

[grave cove]

https://wago.io/WULju2fnt

[balmy condor]

Wouldn’t suggest it, track on nameplates

[royal cliff]

Tried to find in the pin but didn't see--does the value of the maim, mangle conduit increase enough with doomblade to be worth using over well-placed steel?

[balmy condor]

No

[royal cliff]

ty

[mossy sable]

https://wago.io/Kq5ZnXLRm

[pastel osprey]

thanks

[graceful meteor]

So, basically Doom big winner for single target and Zold super good for Sire due to the importance of the last part of the fight? right?

[balmy condor]

Yeh

Zold better in aoe as well

[mossy sable]

Is there any chance that with some new intrest in Sin that the WoW Analyzer will be updated for it?

[limber lion]

Highly doubt it

[graceful meteor]

l like this WA

[limber lion]

It's a cool concept but doesn't really work in reality

[mossy sable]

I mean you don't take it as a bible or anything

[crisp saffron]

Does doomblade work in m+?

[mossy sable]

But pointing out areas you have issues helps a lot

It's a easier way then finding a log reader or reading them yourself

[kindred rapids]

Why wouldn't it work in M+

[crisp saffron]

Thought doom is only for ST

[icy haven]

doomblade is decent in ToP i think

[unborn helm]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[lunar pelican]

yo, what missives are y'all slapping on your doom?

[graceful meteor]

It will work but probably zold is a little bit better due to aoe situations, but lets be honest.. assa is not good at aoe, so In my opinion is better to excel in that the class is good at

[strange python]

I got haste/vers on mine. Since I PvP also

[balmy condor]

Crit haste

[bleak sedge]

vs inerva and council doomblade or zoldyck?

[balmy condor]

Vers haste is Fine too

[lunar pelican]

y'all the best, thx

[stoic needle]

[balmy condor]

Council definitely doomblade

[dense bramble]

is it bad to have a lot of mastery? i really would like to get more mastery instead of versa/crit

[strange python]

Yea, when I looked at the stat weights. It wasn't a major loss or gain

[balmy condor]

Yes

Mastery is our worst stat

[brittle pawn]

@stoic needle

[stoic needle]

It's not that bad

Vers is literally only .1 ahead of mastery for me

Don't sacrifice other stats to stack mastery unless you're memeing

[brittle pawn]

is that...STAT WEIGHT?

[dense bramble]

but the difference between it is too noticeable? would make that a difference?

[stoic needle]

Nah it's not noticeable at all except your envenoms are bigger

[balmy condor]

It probably isn’t noticeable but if you stack enough, it will start to hurt

[stoic needle]

And your bleeds and poisons will do proportionally more damage than your white melee hits

[mossy sable]

Really hmm

[balmy condor]

That’s how mastery works yes

[mossy sable]

I wonder why it has me take Theotar over General then

[stoic needle]

Because mastery is still a dps increase

[balmy condor]

Cause draven is dog shit soulbind

[dense bramble]

i really would like that, btw

[stoic needle]

Even if it's our 'worst' stat

[mossy sable]

Ahh that would make sense

[silent tinsel]

Crit haste because my vers is at 1200

[mossy sable]

Is it even any good for tanks?

[balmy condor]

Not sure

[graceful meteor]

Is there like some boos "chart" to know what legendary is better per boos in CN?

[stoic needle]

Me too tbh

[balmy condor]

Warcraftlogs

[mossy sable]

Fair enough your a rogue main not a tank main

[silent tinsel]

I can tank for 10 seconds

[graceful meteor]

yes, I'm a lazy guy, I'll check and then probably I will do a Chart for all of us

[stoic needle]

I was literally tanking the big add on inerva yesterday in a pug

[mossy sable]

I like tanking, somehow less pressure than as a DPS

[balmy condor]

[dense bramble]

what about haste > mastery? would it hurt my dps?

[stoic needle]

I'd get there before the actual tank and have to pop evasion

[balmy condor]

Warcraftlogs is the chart

[graceful meteor]

mmm......... Didnt knew....... checking............

[brittle pawn]

whats with your weird obsession with mastery?

[stoic needle]

If you prioritize mastery like that yeah it'll probably be worse than if you went haste > crit. Personally I'm going to go haste >>>> crit >> mast > vers

A little mastery as a treat

[silent tinsel]

Should get a Lego that makes cos extend it's effect in a circle around you

[stoic needle]

Sacrificing dps for raid utility

I'm here to pump

[static wadi]

btw do we use Vendetta or Flag in AoE situations or do we just do single target

[balmy condor]

Oshosi is rotting everyone’s brain man

[silent tinsel]

You probably pump unleaded regular

[stoic needle]

Wtf

[balmy condor]

Both, yes

[stoic needle]

This is not my fault

[placid kite]

Does Master Assassin Talent work for NW weapons?

[static wadi]

i should have asked this too. Do i delay flag for vendetta?

[balmy condor]

You’re literally the only one that constantly suggests mastery

[stoic needle]

I'm not responsible for people taking my memes as gospel when I say they're memes 500x

[balmy condor]

No

[stoic needle]

I don't suggest mastery seriously to anyone

[balmy condor]

It’s not memes though

[honest lake]

We delay flag for Vendetta?

[balmy condor]

No

[static wadi]

no

[stoic needle]

It is memes? I say 'mastery stack meme build' and say that it's worse dps than a regular build every single time I mention it

Go search through my history

[static wadi]

The grind for Phial begins

[ionic kelp]

delay flag for vendetta if ur on sludge

[dense bramble]

to get more from bleed and poison dot, specially to make serrated bone hit a little better since it doesn't scale with haste nor it crit (and still is hitting almost the same my deadly poison dot)

[winter gale]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cQe8xyBpdvBBCGDDyZHPcX Anyone with any tip or I am all set up properly?

[brittle pawn]

to what end?

[balmy condor]

It does crit

[brittle pawn]

who gives a fuck what your damage breakdown is when you're gimping yourself

[dense bramble]

only the instant inicial damage crit, not the dot

[balmy condor]

The initial damage is the important part though

[honest lake]

How are u guys traking the DOT?

[dense bramble]

both inicial damage and dot did very close damage, and both was very close to deadly poison dot

[north basin]

why i cant disenchant my fuckin useless 235 finality... imagine jumping into hypetrain lately and crafting 210 doomblade,,, coz short on ashes..

[kindred rapids]

big oof

[silent tinsel]

Because your gonna do your tprghast chores and like it

[brittle pawn]

same tho

[oak musk]

Don't you mean BOREghast high five

[shut jolt]

what leggo for m+ ?

[brittle pawn]

or akaari's

[stoic needle]

MA or zoldyck

[shut jolt]

tyty

[hollow robin]

Swapping to sin for M Sludge prog, currently Necro. Is it worth using Emeni for double sbs for every pillar, or is BSM just better overall?

[livid temple]

should i be using Vendetta first? or flag first?

[royal cliff]

Does anyone know if switching to Kimbul as zanda gives an extra bleed for the sake of doomblade?

[balmy condor]

Vend with flag, vend first in that gcd

[unborn eagle]

just stack mastery you will be fine

[balmy condor]

It does not

[royal cliff]

That's a bummer

[subtle imp]

guys

[limber lion]

No

[balmy condor]

Let the meme die please

[subtle imp]

my envenom is doing more than my melee now

[limber lion]

As it should

[final star]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bxN4K1oAhHGccW4Q9geR3A

I need new dagger

[livid temple]

in last nights raid my melee was doing just a tiny bit more than my envenom, i am a little out of practice though so i will blame it on that XD

[uneven hamlet]

I have a doubt, it is worth to refresh pandemic garot and rupt mid vandetta?( the bleeds get buffed?) I guess they do but idk

[spiral hearth]

Guys could u pls tell me, how do we open on m+ packs with aloe build?

[balmy condor]

It is

[final star]

and 235 legando

[jade coral]

in m+ is it worth to keep spamming CT on a massive amount of mobs? like DoS ardenweald wing? 🤔 or does it always hit the same mobs?

[novel dragon]

depends

how much is left on the bleed vs left on vendetta

[balmy condor]

The vendetta buffs for the duration of vendetta only though

[novel dragon]

if your bleed is gonna last longer than vendetta- get a last envenom in

[bright timber]

CD timing on Huntsman? Vendetta on pull and 10%?

[balmy condor]

On cooldown

[silent tinsel]

I got 2 dead leggos at 190 that I want the ash back for

[stoic needle]

It's based on your proximity to the mobs. So you want to shuffle back and forth or in a triangle/square to hit all of them

[true pelican]

is sbs doomblade synergy in the sims?

[stoic needle]

And you can spam it on 8+

[balmy condor]

4 garrotes into a CT

[subtle kiln]

yes

[balmy condor]

Yes

[jade coral]

oohh - good to know! thanks for the tip

[uneven hamlet]

Got it 🙂

[north basin]

couldnt find answer about MA talent. we still using trinkets under its duration or trinkets doesnt interact with it too as with legendary?

[true pelican]

ty

[livid temple]

@silent tinsel i feel that.... i crafted the rotten for the pvp meme.

[subtle imp]

subterfuge feels so bad without SS combo points

[balmy condor]

Does not work

[limber lion]

Holy fuck, I don't have enough energy to swap Lash out for CTO

[hybrid monolith]

!opener

[north basin]

ok

[limber lion]

I have to use Lash on SLG now as OL

[subtle kiln]

MA talent works on rogue abilities, not trinkets

[limber lion]

oh boy

[balmy condor]

Unchanged, read a guide here:

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[subtle kiln]

!bofa

[limber lion]

Whose idea was it to make conduit swapping time-gated?

[ionic kelp]

mine, i own blizz

[silent tinsel]

I feel like just vend after first muta when using deeper stratagem

[loud horizon]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[silent tinsel]

Literally don't have energy ptherwise

[onyx wind]

We did it

[onyx wind]

Because u prob dont have lust

Sims are for lust on pull

[livid temple]

i really need a haste crit neck or vice versa, its the only thing holding my haste back from being over 20% 😦

[spiral hearth]

@balmy condor ma talent also doesn’t work on necrotic wake items?

[onyx wind]

Try simming DS vs Vigor without lust on pull

[limber lion]

Ah damn it, your DPS would triple if you got that neck

20% is the first break point

You def need to get one

/s

[silent tinsel]

My Sims put crit gems and enchants when I have less than 20%

[balmy condor]

It does not

[ionic kelp]

they changed it with patch

[onyx wind]

17% haste gang

[limber lion]

14% here

We pumpin'

[onyx wind]

eww

[novel dragon]

22% haste here lol wtf are yall doing

[silent tinsel]

30% versa

[onyx wind]

I got this badboy from vault when i was still sub

[balmy condor]

Nah, the talent always has worked like that

[onyx wind]

Picked it out of spite

[livid temple]

@limber lion feels bad 😦 im at 17.4% and im only missing like 3 items with versa

[stoic needle]

Love that thing

[blazing arrow]

Mastery 🤮

[stoic needle]

I have it in 220 though sadly

[onyx wind]

Is there even a crit/haste neck?

[stoic needle]

*

[ionic kelp]

mb didnt see talent, assumed leggo

[stoic needle]

Not that I know of

[subtle imp]

there is not

[onyx wind]

apart from pvp i guess

sucks

[stoic needle]

Pvp isn't even crit haste

[loud horizon]

guys is the neck with haste mastery (second boss in raid) good for assa?

[livid temple]

pvp is versa haste

[subtle imp]

best neck is the one from spires

crit vers

[blazing arrow]

?

[stoic needle]

No I think sin stained pendant is bis

[subtle imp]

is it

[onyx wind]

I think so too

because i have it

thats why its bis

gonna do some sluggy proggy tonight with sin

[subtle imp]

im still wearing my azerite neclake

[onyx wind]

even tho sub is still prob better

[subtle imp]

30 all stats boyyy

[stoic needle]

Feels bad to have the bis necklace and chest at 220 instead of 226

Can't even grind them out again and upgrade with valor

[silent tinsel]

Just upgrade it in 9.1

[thorn plover]

pog

[livid temple]

once you refarm it of course

[onyx wind]

I hate plaguefall

Pugging that shit

is the worst thing ive ever put myself through

[thorn plover]

ive done like 6 of them since patch

[stoic needle]

Fuck this dogshit dungeon

[thorn plover]

nothing

[brittle pawn]

i kinda hate all the dungeons

bfa dungeons were better

[thorn plover]

also, plaguefall slimes on bursting with pugs

[onyx wind]

at this point im prob gonna just get a phial from +2

and upgrade it

[subtle imp]

i like all the dungeons more than bfa ones

tbh

except freehold

[onyx wind]

same

i kinda hate theater tho

[spice spire]

Plaguefall is great

[onyx wind]

and spires

and plaguefall

[spice spire]

On fortified

[onyx wind]

^

[silent tinsel]

220 - 226 token for 15k stygia pls

[spice spire]

I love theater. Yo tuck spires tho. Boring ass dungeon

[stoic needle]

At least 10s are faceroll

[shy dust]

Plaguefall is awful

[gloomy fern]

@onyx wind

[subtle imp]

tfw my guild doesnt do mythic alts and wont bring my rogue to the reclear

wtf

[livid temple]

@gloomy fern lol wtf is those set names XD

[thorn plover]

the only real cancerous dungeon i find in SL is sanguine depths, esp on tyrannical

[stoic needle]

Have they even seen the simcraft reports

Spires is a trash fire

[subtle imp]

just a bunch of raid loggers stuck on council

[gloomy fern]

worked hard on those

[stoic needle]

The last boss should be removed from the game

Absolute dogshit

[thorn plover]

i don't like spires either, but Sanguine depths is another level

[stoic needle]

Who the fuck

Decided that a bullet hell boss was a good idea

And who the fuck thought

[onyx wind]

sanguini is actually ok in my book

[silent tinsel]

I like top last boss most

[onyx wind]

maybe not as assa tho

[stoic needle]

It would be a good idea to put a boss with a vehicle in it

[onyx wind]

its prob shit as assa LOL

[stoic needle]

The gauntlet is pure suffering as sin

No restealths

[spice spire]

Nah sanguini is fine

[brittle pawn]

spires, sanguine, top, NW, i hate them all

[stoic needle]

Just pain

Top and nw are fine

[dapper yew]

Which gear would you recommend crafting Doom Blade on.

[onyx wind]

NW is banger

it was bad until u learned how to do stuff

[stoic needle]

Rip MA weapons

[onyx wind]

now everything just dies instantly

[brittle pawn]

nw you spend half the fucking dungeon in one room 💤

[spice spire]

Now that NW is also properly tuned (looking at you mini-boss) it’s actually lit

[bleak dune]

is there a "up to date" guide?

[spice spire]

You mean halls?

[silent tinsel]

Spend nw looting stuff to dump on the third boss

[balmy condor]

Gloves

[balmy condor]

Icyveins is mostly up to date

That being said

Nothing majorly changed

So

[north basin]

!ambush

[prisma monolith]

Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message

[balmy condor]

There’s that

[silent tinsel]

No numbing poison

Opens elevator

[spice spire]

Did seli add the point 9, which is like the more involved opener + rotation last night or had that always been there and I’m lit?

[north basin]

btw what to do with ambush proc during vanish? we mutilate still ?

[balmy condor]

I think that’s been there

[balmy condor]

You use the proc

[split cipher]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[dapper yew]

is there a BIS list for gear

[spice spire]

Ahhhh. I had not noticed before and I know you two were talking about it last night

[balmy condor]

There used to be, but I took it away because people started using it to make gear decisions

[dapper yew]

!bis

[balmy condor]

[queen galleon]

So shadowcore oil and fire phantom

[balmy condor]

Didn’t I just say that I took it away

[dull cloak]

!wis

[queen galleon]

fire phantom is so rng

[dapper yew]

!wis

[stoic needle]

Sharpening stones and agi pots forever

[balmy condor]

Sometimes I question why I bother waking up in the morning

[lost mist]

any way to fast farm renown? (raiding, lfr, pvp, m+?)

[stoic needle]

Why were we put on the earth if not to suffer?

[lost mist]

i need to reach 30 before 4 hours

im 26 actually

[balmy condor]

M+

[grave olive]

according to icy veins, when using talent Master Assassin we should open with Mutilate, why dont we open with ambush ?

[lost mist]

nice ty, and i farm valor ❤️

[lost mist]

mut gives more cp

[slender urchin]

More CP

[lost mist]

and proc poison

[balmy condor]

Complicated answer, but most of it boils down to more cp

That’s the simple answer

[queen galleon]

The opener is kinda hard to remember holy fuck xd

[slender urchin]

It’s weird being a night elf and not using shadowmeld to sneak another stealth move

[balmy condor]

Spam mut and get dots up, then use CDs and spam mut into envenom?

[queen galleon]

use cd like : Vendeta -> 4cp > kriss -> vanish -> envenom ?

[balmy condor]

Sure

[queen galleon]

that's the hard part to remember for me

[balmy condor]

That’s fine

[queen galleon]

And would you trinket after using cd or before ?

[balmy condor]

Two things that people overvalue constantly:

1. Openers
2. Secondary stats

[ionic kelp]

what is kriss

[queen galleon]

shiv

[balmy condor]

Stat trinkets with cds

[queen galleon]

mb i'm french

[ionic kelp]

u good, learned something new today lol

[queen galleon]

using shrink one atm

[balmy condor]

Then it doesn’t matter

[queen galleon]

Alright

thanks for the input whisp

[balmy condor]

None of your CDs buff it

[heavy skiff]

Does ma talent work with trinkets?

[queen galleon]

Is it a big deal if I stone + agi instead of shadowcore + FP

[balmy condor]

No

[balmy condor]

No, that’s what I do cause shadowcore and fp are rng garbage

[queen galleon]

yeah

cool then

ty ty

[balmy condor]

Np

[dapper yew]

So we are not Vanishing into a 4+cp Ruptures anymore, We are Vanishing into a 4+cp Envenom

[balmy condor]

You only vanish into rupture with nightstalker

Which hasn’t been a thing since legion

[dapper yew]

what do u think about this macro(/castsequence Sepsis(Night Fae), Vendetta, Vanish, Envenom)

with 4+cp

[balmy condor]

Where’s the shiv

Why the vendetta after the sepsis

[dapper yew]

@balmy condor where would u put the Shiv, before or after the Enevenom

[balmy condor]

Right after sepsis

[dapper yew]

Sepsis give u the 12 stacks of Grove Inv

[balmy condor]

Okay

But that doesn’t change anything

[slender urchin]

I’m trying
mut-snd-mut-gar-rupt-vend/flag-mut-(mut)-shiv-vanish-envenom

[dapper yew]

Where would u put Vendetta

[balmy condor]

Before the sepsis

[winter gale]

I have 23% haste, maybe DS is better than Vigor for me?

[slender urchin]

Maybe vend/flag after the muts/shiv to cap

[balmy condor]

Sim it

[balmy condor]

He’s playing fae

[balmy condor]

Oh your opener

Hold on

Seems fine

[lilac crane]

has assassination gone to beast mode now?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[slender urchin]

Yeah, trying to nail it down for sludgey prog

[tender fjord]

Those bug fixes are huge 😂 made a huge jump in raid dps

[balmy condor]

Mostly cttc and doomblade, and cov buffs

The bug fixes helped too, but not too much

[dapper yew]

@balmy condor how about this macro /castsequence Vendetta, Sepsis(Night Fae), Shiv, Vanish, Envenom

[split veldt]

cttc is so awesome, never have to press slice again

[balmy condor]

Sure

[dapper yew]

@balmy condor any good macros like that, that you recommend

[rocky sinew]

which is the optimal way to do the opener as venthyr assa?

(including flagellation, ofc)

[balmy condor]

I don’t recommend cast sequence macros ever

[balmy condor]

Same as normal, but flag before rupture

[halcyon zealot]

for Assass on M sludge, you’d vendetta on pull, 2nd and 4th pillar? or no

[rocky sinew]

so, mut -> snd -> mut -> garrote -> flag -> rupture -> vendetta -> mut -> mut -> vanish -> envenom -> etc?

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s fine

[dapper yew]

@balmy condor what about reg macro

[rocky ruin]

for m+ whichs stats?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[plain thistle]

missing shiv there

[balmy condor]

Don’t need any

[balmy condor]

Haste crit

[rocky sinew]

oh yeah, not entirely on my mind yet

[limber lion]

Interesting. Koji was saying Vendetta should be used after Sepsis+Shiv

But I was always using Vendetta before the two myself

Back when I was still NF gang

[balmy condor]

It doesn’t fucking matter

[limber lion]

l0l

[balmy condor]

I’m so tired of people asking about openers

[dire violet]

The opener is just not important.

[celest rover]

Jinkies

[balmy condor]

“What opener will give me 2 more dps guys pls”

Shut up

It doesn’t matter

[mental laurel]

Honestly, Vendetta boosts the damage of your abilities. Try to play it when you'll click as many abilities as possible

And it gives energy

Try not to cap

[brittle pawn]

It does when there's 10 bosses

10x2=20 dps

[celest rover]

I just press buttons and whichever buttons did more damage I do again lol

[neat frost]

Those things are more important than following the recipe. Learn to cook, not to follow directions.

[dapper yew]

@balmy condor what do u recommend for gear to put Doomblade on hands or shoulders. My current Gear is (226 Bleakwing Assassin's Grips and 220 Wicked Flanker's Gorget)

[balmy condor]

Hands

But that also doesn’t matter

None of this matters

[limber lion]

But yeah agree, there's a lot of pointless shit that doesn't matter. Openers, secondaries, stat weights in general

[dire violet]

@neat frost that's actually well said.

[neat frost]

Shoulders & Gloves have the same points allocated to them

[balmy condor]

Like worrying about crit vs vers, what slot to craft on, what your opener should be down to the single gcd

Nothing matters

Just maintain your dots, press everything on cooldown

Pool for shiv

You’re done

That’s all you do

[unborn helm]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[dawn ivy]

whyspir slowly breaking down

[neat frost]

people would benefit more form learning to pool for shiv, than trying to press things in a specific order

[chrome mirage]

https://youtu.be/vvIrdg-epwA

[limber lion]

Slowly?

[balmy condor]

It’s just so frustrating sometimes

[torpid spoke]

When running out from sludge fist stomp, you just run right and pool energy?

[spice spire]

Don’t die and damage as you can

[balmy condor]

I get DM’s that are like “hey whispyr i saw earlier that you said doomblade haste crit on hands, but doomblade on shoulders with vers crit sims higher for me what do I do?”

Well how much higher does it sim

[torpid spoke]

Or do you spam your poisoned knives

[balmy condor]

“7 dps”

[fading wigeon]

Lol congrats guys you pushed whíspyr over the edge

[spice spire]

I mean don’t lose energy if you can. But I wouldn’t spam prepping for the pillar

[balmy condor]

Just...

[spice spire]

This is daily chief

[balmy condor]

A crumb of brain cell

Please

[silent fossil]

imagine not getting slg shoulders

[balmy condor]

Some brain turning on

[spice spire]

Thinking hard

[balmy condor]

And a little bit of thinking

[grim hawk]

why do we mutilate instead of ambush from stealth in opener?

[balmy condor]

Before you ask whispyr to answer your dumb questions

[balmy condor]

More cp

[grim hawk]

but we slice n dice right afterwards right so extra point matters?

[prisma crescent]

What leggo is best?

[balmy condor]

Yes but it also affects mut from vanish

[rich raft]

hi guys, how much haste is recomended?

[spice spire]

Star Wars legos are pretty cool tbh

[subtle imp]

can you troll raid

[verbal knot]

Just switched from assa to sub,anyone got an opener with flagelation? i dont really know when to use it in the opener

[torpid spoke]

Check ur sims

[subtle imp]

by wound poison on kaelthas

[balmy condor]

Unsurprisingly, if you have been following the chat for 3 minutes, that 1 gcd will not change anything

[subtle imp]

[neat frost]

you want to make sure your SnD is up long enough for your first envenom

so it gets refreshed

so the extra CP helps

[grim hawk]

no i wasnt:( sorry complete noob to assas :D

[balmy condor]

That’s for every class in the game

Btw

You can change 1 gcd on everything except maybe combust

And you will not lose any dps

[sleek sparrow]

Whispyr if these kids could read they'd still be very upset

[echo cargo]

I was about to say

The annoying-ass mages in my guild would disagree

LOL

[neat frost]

Welcome to Whose Warcraft Is It Anyway where the balance is made up, and the openers don't matter

[loud light]

people obsessing over openers has been a bane of TCers since vanilla spreadsheets

[dapper yew]

@balmy condor at what CP do u Shiv and what do u follow up after it

[subtle imp]

go to ff14 if you want to worry about openers

heard summoner got like 1 min opener or somethin

[sleek sparrow]

That's just rotations in general

[spice spire]

shiv on cooldown keep going with your rotation my guy

[sleek sparrow]

It do

Kinda

[balmy condor]

I’m actually gonna lose my mind homeboy

[dapper yew]

@balmy condor I am sorry, if that has been answered before. Is it on cooldown?

[prisma crescent]

I'm here for the meltdown

[split cipher]

3 second gcd right?

[rocky ruin]

@balmy condor PB or CT?

[balmy condor]

Just Slam all your stuff on cooldown

[grave olive]

one doubt that i've had for a long time: if i use cd's that buff my demage (like vendeta and shiv), do they buff the dots' demage that are already on the target, or only the one's i apply after these skills?

[balmy condor]

Only for the duration

Shiv is only those 9 seconds, vendetta is only those 20

[balmy condor]

Pb for single target, ct otherwise

[rocky ruin]

@balmy condor i know, but for m+ im asking

[spice spire]

“CT otherwise”

[split cipher]

is there 2 mobs in most instances

[echo cargo]

The real question after yesterday is- has anyone figured out another way to cheese Outlaw Legion Artifacts on Sin/Sub cause they fixed it

[spice spire]

We’re going to witness it today

[neat frost]

The density of some skulls could be greater than that of white dwarf stars.

[rocky ruin]

was running Necrotic Wake 15 with PB damn my dmg suck and somehow subterfudge didnt work

[split cipher]

Real question, does count the odds still work with sin ambush?

[slim siren]

never really did

only gave to the buff but not the stats

[torpid spoke]

Was there a stealth nerf to flag?

[manic harness]

Well what are you seeing that makes yoy think that?

[balmy condor]

Man I bet this whispyr guy has some really good information, if only I ever learned how to read

[limber lion]

I assume it's because it's the easiest thing to improve on. It's much harder to improve uptime on boss, pooling, general mechanical play, playing around timers etc.

[balmy condor]

Yes

[pulsar sluice]

man the difference in 220 and 226 gear is unreal

ppl simming like 300-600 more dps then me

like i cant have that bad gear

[rocky ruin]

@balmy condor i did read it, but was thinking about something else in this moment thats why asking twice

[spice spire]

Idk, heard he’s a filthy casual.

[subtle imp]

spec channel live and die by fotm

[severe steppe]

Whispyr unhinged is the best version of whispyr

[grave olive]

is there any way to track evenom aura? i tried buff, event, but can't get ir right

[balmy condor]

aura buff player

WHAT

yo this channel is going to make me fucking lose it

[spice spire]

Nah I like beyond unhinged. When he’s so tilted he starts memeing

[split cipher]

I don't have a good answer but you could download a wa suite that does track it and gut it out for yourelf

[spice spire]

That’s the bis whispyr

[unborn helm]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[marsh yew]

on fights like council of blood does putting ruptures/garrotes on the other bosses increase your dps on the prio target?

due to increased energy regen

[balmy condor]

garrote only

[neat frost]

LMFAO this is legit

[marsh yew]

thank you

[pulsar sluice]

i thought the consensus was just garrote frieda

[grim hawk]

what is assassination

[balmy condor]

this the type of shit

that will make me explode one day

[plain thistle]

[balmy condor]

actually can't trust

literally anyone

to answer the most basic questions

[timid coral]

yeah my fault, made a WA for exactly this yesterday and misremembered

[balmy condor]

and that's cool

but there were TWO people

the other one dirty deleted

[severe steppe]

To be fair his name is sneekiboi

[balmy condor]

like we asked a basic question

[split cipher]

Aren't we all sneekybois

[balmy condor]

and went 0/2

[brazen rampart]

is there an explanation somewhere on how to use MA as assa properly?

[balmy condor]

double swing and a miss

[severe steppe]

What's 1+4?

[balmy condor]

that scares me

[lapis jewel]

3

[slim siren]

6

[severe steppe]

Rip

[balmy condor]

vanish into mut envens, whatever order is fine, mut env mut, or env mut env

[mental laurel]

You know, I actually wonder if ambush on the very first opener will win out now that we have CTTC. I've kept up SnD an entire fight without needing refresh so I think the extra CPs mut gives loses to the extra damage of ambush. Of course, as Whispyr says, it doesn't matter, but interesting to think about

[slim siren]

fair i love cttc

i always hated keeping up snd

[severe steppe]

I wish all specs got cttc

[slim siren]

atleast sub

outlaw i think its good where it is tbh

[brave vector]

outlaw sorta has it

[mental laurel]

CTTC is insane. Such a nice QoL buff

[severe steppe]

True

[brave vector]

one of the RtB buffs is literally CTTC

[severe steppe]

But yes it would be a life changer for subtlety

[brave vector]

ive had a 3 minute SnD rolling with it

[slim siren]

yea and the amount of rtv buffs you get are insane

[tribal marlin]

i'm so mad I did 7400dps on sludge but I forgot to use Flagel during lust

xD

would have been crazy dps

[woeful glade]

Question, why Kleia over Pelagos?

[worn path]

I finished a xymox kill with 5 minutes of SnD one night as outlaw

[north basin]

need to work on muscle memory this week. next week shiny logs!

[split cipher]

I love getting up to 4-5 minutes of it and then remembering it's entirely because I failed RtB 5 times in a row

[woeful glade]

We killed Hungering Destroyer and when we started Inerva my S&D was high enough where I couldn't refresh it on the opener

Just from Hungering Destroyer S&D

[gloomy fern]

yey rank 1 lady hc

[teal bloom]

Did cttc change Crimson Tempest value in single target btw?

[stable oxide]

Im abit rusty in the opener of Assassination with the master assassin talent. Is the ravenhold website updated with the opener sequence?

[tribal wyvern]

!legendary

[silk wadi]

So you guys are using count the odds conduit in assa spec?:D

[balmy condor]

pins

[balmy condor]

no

[stable oxide]

Or should I just go to Warcraft logs and check out people

[balmy condor]

icyveins is fine, warcraftlogs is probably the worst place to look right now

[stable oxide]

Thanks

[balmy condor]

lot of people coming back to the spec and hard clowning openers

[tribal wyvern]

thanks @balmy condor i thought there are a bit more information maybe ^^ just want to know if execute legy is still BiS nomatter what sim say.

[stable oxide]

Yeah I figured

[silk wadi]

I was referring to the discussion of snd roll the bones buff. How else would it be possible? I am ill, maybe I am too tired to think 😄

[balmy condor]

I still see double garrote with subt on single target

makes me want to die

[balmy condor]

depends on the fight

[loud light]

gotta get that shrouded suffocation extended tho

[halcyon zealot]

yo @balmy condor on sludge do you shiv on cd no matter what or is there a window in which you’d hold for a pillar( coming from sub prog where i had to play around SoD the whole fight) didn’t know if shiv was similar

[stable oxide]

Whats bad about double garrote with subt? Or was that only effective with that Garrote buff in BFA?

[marsh yew]

is recuperator a dead endurance conduit now for assassin?

[balmy condor]

every other shiv is a pillar

[halcyon zealot]

oh okay word

[graceful meteor]

Doom Legendary in gloves or shoulders?

[limber lion]

Yeah, with the shrouded suffocation azerite trait

[stable oxide]

Yeah forgot the name

[limber lion]

Same thing for Exsang

Trash now

[balmy condor]

????????

[stable oxide]

So without SS it's not worth double garroting

[tribal marlin]

fuyck this I can't believe I forgot to flag during lust >.<

[silk wadi]

@Apolo Gloves, does not really matter though

[tribal marlin]

would have done 7800+ pog dps

[balmy condor]

correct, it wasn't during bfa either but people just don't remember

[slim siren]

apolo gloves

[tribal wyvern]

What you think about Council then?

[slim siren]

casue slg shoulders

[balmy condor]

doom

[tribal wyvern]

thanks ❤️

[graceful meteor]

thanks

[slim siren]

hey whispyr dooms still great with necro right?

[marsh yew]

I'm asking because I'm not sure 100% how it works does it just work as long as SnD is active or do you have to activate SnD for the health regen to start?

[balmy condor]

yes

[slim siren]

ty

[teal bloom]

@balmy condor Sir, should I still use crimson tempest in single target situations in M+ or just envenom?

[balmy condor]

pins

[loud light]

as long as the buff is active you get the heal

[limber lion]

Yes, CT as well outside of Shiv windows

[slim siren]

recup is amazing now tbh

[gleaming eagle]

What sim higher now

Korayn or niya

Or is still niya burr?

[balmy condor]

maybe I should make a pin to look at pins

and then say please check the pin talking about the pins

[limber lion]

Is there like a forced message that you have to read before you can chat in here

And agree to

[split cipher]

Have to take a quiz before chatting

[slim siren]

come on that would kick to many people out xD

[solar flicker]

wait wasnt there actually a channel like this

[limber lion]

This chat would be dead

[balmy condor]

I mean, there's the #rules-and-guides and #welcome channels, which both say "PLEASE READ THE PINS"

[gleaming eagle]

Ah

[balmy condor]

that says check pins

this says pins

I say pins

[solar flicker]

make it so moroes yells at people who ask common questions

[balmy condor]

it's common knowledge to check pins before asking

like

[loud light]

need to get your discord posting license

pass the test

[vast pond]

Anyone switch from NF to Venth. Can you tell a difference using DS instead of VIgor?

[slim siren]

people want specialized advice for no reason

[balmy condor]

you literally cannot miss it

it says pins

everywhere

[gleaming eagle]

Some people just want instant answer lol

[vast pond]

Energy regen wise

[solar flicker]

feels like shit yes

[stoic needle]

This is the only way it would actually work

[balmy condor]

it's actually faster to just look at the pins

[jade geyser]

Does anyone have a pin explaining how to check pins?

[frosty cobalt]

Click the pin icon 😉

[gleaming eagle]

You know when you called your bank to ask questions, I prefer to talk to a person rather than press these numbers for common questions

granted this isn't as complicated but you know what I mean lol

[stoic needle]

Yeah but that person gets paid to answer questions

[heavy skiff]

And then te guy u call says "ok dude press 2"

[balmy condor]

no one pays me to answer questions

[worn path]

Is argue it’s almost more complicated than activating a bank account considering some asshole that somehow got some of my info activated 3 accounts without actually having any of my ID using only bank websites

[slim siren]

1 penny to ask whispyr a question?

[silk wadi]

You would have earned it though!

[limber lion]

I know, but apparently it's just not enough idk

[balmy condor]

im like a carnival clown

[silk wadi]

I'd sign a petition for you being paid 😄

[slim siren]

xD

[gleaming eagle]

Lmao

[limber lion]

Whenever I make a new alt and join a class discord, I always check the pins first

Idk why others don't do that

[worn path]

$34 dollars a question. You’ll be loaded in no time

[slim siren]

new pfp for whsiper

[balmy condor]

STEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP RIGHT UP

GETCHA QUESTIONS ANSWERED HERE

[gray eagle]

Difficult job to pin down

[slim siren]

1 penny for a question to whispyr and they would be a millionare in a day

[solar flicker]

tits or ass @balmy condor

[crystal knot]

for kyrian ability echoing reprimand, does the 7 combo point finisher only happen once in the 45, or does it stay the full duration and each time in that 45 seconds that you fulfil the requirement you get the 7 combo point finisher?

[balmy condor]

WHISPYR THE CLOWN TRAVELED FAR AND WIDE TO THE SEVEN LANDS

HE HAS THE ANSWERS YOU SEEK

[slim siren]

one time

[balmy condor]

once

[crystal knot]

ok, thank yall

[visual sequoia]

do u hold ur dreadfire cd for vanish cd when u use masterassassin talent?

[limber lion]

Doesn't matter anymore, just use on cd

[balmy condor]

ass > thighs > calves > tits

[limber lion]

Actually

[gleaming eagle]

Check the pins@visual sequoia

[limber lion]

Didn't even matter ever before

Because the talent didn't work like that

[visual sequoia]

i mean u get 50% critchance

[worn path]

At what point does sin hit the optimal haste breakpoints? Is it true that 34% crit can be met with the bis gear list? Why do you run Vigor as outlaw?

[slim siren]

sorry whsipyr the one time ill say your wrong

[solar flicker]

wow. please pin

[slim siren]

no they fixed it lacrim

[visual sequoia]

with the talent too?

[balmy condor]

talent has never given true crit chance

[visual sequoia]

oh ok

[balmy condor]

similar to MA legendary now, it does not work on trinkets, nor tools from NW

[stoic needle]

https://tenor.com/view/culture-man-of-culture-cultured-gif-10903367

[visual sequoia]

nvm im new to sin

[slim siren]

all good thats what were here for

[balmy condor]

that is also why neither the legendary, nor the talent shows up on your character stats either btw

[visual sequoia]

true

[stoic needle]

The legendary does iirc

[balmy condor]

not anymore bucko

[hardy berry]

Not anymore

[stoic needle]

Or maybe that's an elvui thing

[balmy condor]

elvui reskins, it doesn't change the numbers

[visual sequoia]

guess it would work because 2 out of 2 the trinket did crit with the talent buff on the dummy might just be coincidence then

[stoic needle]

There's enhanced stat things though

[balmy condor]

coincidence yeh

[balmy condor]

whats that do

[thorn fjord]

are we lining up Vend with Euphoria?

[limber lion]

Dank

but no

[dull cloak]

after patch, i macro skulkers and dreadfire to sinisterstrike/mut/shadowstrike. no need to big brain on use anymore thanks blizz

[shy axle]

!bis

[split cipher]

macro skulkers on sludge

[dull cloak]

thats only exception

[visual sequoia]

i mean u could use skulkers in vendetta window for more dmg or not?

[dull cloak]

that fight still needs brain

[slim siren]

pins amber

[balmy condor]

no

vendetta does not buff trinkets

[visual sequoia]

ohh wow

lame

[split cipher]

I melee officer'd my 4 melee comp for prog. Herding cats.

[hardy berry]

I macro my on use trink to Shiv

[bleak dune]

Guys , i need some help. Iam kyrian (bad) but idk what switch to .. i would play assa in raid and outlaw in m+ also playing just a bit pvp..

[visual sequoia]

i keep it on my seperate keybind, dont wann get used too be too lazy 😛

[slim siren]

id go necro then tbh

imo

[hardy berry]

If you’re not doing mythic CN or 20+ keys just pick what you enjoy imo. I went venthyr when it wasn’t optimal, things change.

[crimson palm]

@balmy condor are shiv casts not showing on wclogs

[limber lion]

No, they don't have a cast-action. They do appear on damage done though

If you look at timeline > damage done

[crimson palm]

y i was looking at cast sequences

[limber lion]

Yeah, they're fucked

That's on Blizzard

[crimson palm]

finally got to lvl up a rogue

[limber lion]

Welcome back

[crimson palm]

need to see what the meta is now xd

[limber lion]

[crimson palm]

[limber lion]

Venthyr Assa all the way

[crimson palm]

rogue has no other spec

[limber lion]

Nah

[crimson palm]

gimme an easy way to see amount of envenoms into a shiv window

[worn path]

As many as you can

[crimson palm]

[stoic needle]

=0