assassination

[onyx wind]

????? WHAT

[mystic trout]

Anywhere to see Sub vs Outlaw vs Assass?

[onyx wind]

ur sick

[sleek sparrow]

Bruh are you even a rogue

[wanton mortar]

is ppl crafting dashing? all good logs are with dom

[gusty mirage]

[wary ice]

[young idol]

I figured out a method to time it perfectly with with sub CD's before it got buffed LOL

[worn path]

Some guy on wowhead complaining about the keyboard turn speed reduction and apparently a stealth flag nerf

Anyone notice anything so far?

[wary ice]

you can compare the pins of each channel. Outlaw still the best on all content by a slim margin

[mystic trout]

thanks!

[gusty mirage]

Shadow blades doesn’t proc off flagellation anymore. Also you can’t spin a million rotations per second anymore. It’s a sad day for me afking in oribos

[wary ice]

only nerf I've seen is the loss of interation with Subt's shadow blades

[pliant apex]

i dont know why my parses are suddenly bad, i was doing the rotation just right

[young idol]

idc what anyone says; venthyr tmog is its own DPS increase 8)

[wary ice]

share them :^)

[young idol]

gotta look good slayin', Queen

[onyx wind]

link

[pliant apex]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/frostmourne/watermill#difficulty=5

[strange python]

Any opinions for assasination necrolord guys?

[stoic needle]

More people playing means it's harder to get good parses

[pliant apex]

died on hungering

yea also my heroic are low too, maybe 213 isnt high enough to parse well? esp on mythic??

[onyx wind]

We are coming for ur parses

[sleek sparrow]

But it's also easier to get non greys

[young idol]

there's overall parses and theres ilvl bracket parses

[worn path]

Yeah I saw that one, this guys apparently thinking there’s something else or just missed the shadow blades note

[pliant apex]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/frostmourne/watermill#difficulty=4 heroic

[young idol]

your ilvl bracket parse is what determines whether or not your pulling your own weight.

[stoic needle]

You'll never get my 420 rank

[worn path]

First comment on the latest wowhead post

[gusty mirage]

I’m coming for it

[stoic needle]

[wary ice]

right off the cuff; your M kill times are very slow

that will hurt your parse alone

[pliant apex]

ah also https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ZDXP7gCG4jcWFR1V#fight=20&type=damage-done means my parse isnt green but blue?

since ilvl says 65, parse is 27

[sleek sparrow]

Ya know I'm still wondering why that mage was asking for great vault advice in the rogue discord

We're at an all time low level of reading

[pliant apex]

ah i see.

[silk elbow]

what missive's for my legendary? haste/mastery or crit/mastery?

or haste/crit

lol

goes to the pins

[gusty mirage]

Haste crit or haste vers

[pliant apex]

but other ppl in my guild have purple, its the ilvl

they like 220 im 213?

[gusty mirage]

Unless you’re osh then mastery mastery

[pliant apex]

i also think most ppl dont see ilvl parse, they see the big number

just my opnion

[sleek sparrow]

You're right but you still gotta measure your own things first

[sullen pagoda]

@pliant apex ilvl parse is mostly irrelevant

[sleek sparrow]

When your ilvl gets higher then worry more about overall

[potent chasm]

are assa rouges going venthyr now?^^

[gentle gyro]

don't say it don't say it don't say it

[sleek sparrow]

Pins

[pliant apex]

someone just said your ilvl bracket parse is what determines your worth

so whos right then

[gusty mirage]

Ilvl is mostly there for alts to see if you’re doing alright before you get the gear

[onyx wind]

Your item level is part of your character

^

[stuck knoll]

if you're low ilvl

and doing well on ilvl it's fine

but you don't show off ilvl parses

[pliant apex]

is 213 low ilvl?

[gusty mirage]

In reality of it all parses in general are mostly irrelevant tbh. If you’re killing bosses and not inting your group you’re fine

[sleek sparrow]

For mythic yeah kinda

[gusty mirage]

For mythic? Absolutely

[stoic needle]

Ilvl is kind of irrelevant because you can have high ilvl in slots that don't give that much dps

[pliant apex]

oh okay.

[sleek sparrow]

This late in the tier yeah kinda

[novel quiver]

ass rogue play theotar or nadjia?

[stoic needle]

Or have low ilvl but 233 weps and 226 trinkets and rings and pump

[gusty mirage]

Either are fine

[wary ice]

nad in st

[gentle gyro]

thing is, we are talking about averages. there are extremes in both directions within any given ilvl bracket

[novel quiver]

ty ^^

[tepid iris]

and also, near perfection in simming

[gentle gyro]

so chances are unless you have only double digit parses that ilvl parses somewhat accurately represent your performance for that bracket

[near lark]

When in the vault prior to the patch you get a 226 dagger and vault day patch you get a 226 dagger ❤️

[sleek sparrow]

Die

[strange python]

necro assasination anyone here?

[brave steeple]

I am

[wary ice]

on shriekwing you're MA windows are consistently M-E-M you want to enter your vanish at 4-5cp so you can possibly E-M-E

[tepid iris]

I don't know what you're saying, and I'm going to take that as a sign of disrespect.

(Env/Muti/Env, just to clarify?)

[wary ice]

yeh

[tepid iris]

I'm an old combat rogue returning after .. 8 years of not playing, and assassination buffs are giving me a chance to play something not outlaw for a tick or two

[burnt star]

damn this maintenance..

I want to farm plaguefall

[left sparrow]

dont we all

[lean coral]

which potion do you guys use?

[gusty mirage]

Agi

[sleek sparrow]

Did you quit outlaw after getting your legendary daggers

[sleek sparrow]

Since 8 years ago. Should be around DS

[burnt star]

80 dps increased from plaguefall alone x-x

[left sparrow]

right

[vast hound]

is doomblade the go to for raiding?

[gusty mirage]

Can’t wait to farm spires and plaguefall this week

[mighty bolt]

MM sire is zoldryc?

[tepid iris]

I quit while getting them

I'm finishing them now

on clusters, woohoo

[sleek sparrow]

You poor lad

They were a joy

[mellow pier]

DS sub or SoO combat

Your choice

[brave gyro]

yo, are we slapping crit/haste on doomblade?

[tepid iris]

I mean, what sims best for you

is going to be the answer

[left sparrow]

cri/haste or vers/haste

[tepid iris]

but probably

[sleek sparrow]

DS combat ez

[tepid iris]

Definitely combat, I still enjoy combat

[brave gyro]

alright, will do a quick sim

thanks

[mellow pier]

SoO combat with 45s KS tho

[tepid iris]

I may go back to it, the playstyle fits my life as a feral druid in TBC 😛

[mellow pier]

Prettttty good

[desert quartz]

hi all.. can i check do i hold flag for every vend? or use off cd?

[wanton reef]

Anyone know a nice weakaura/addon for tracking your dots?

[sleek sparrow]

Yes unless you'd miss a cast from holding

[stoic needle]

Use on CD

[gusty mirage]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[mellow pier]

@desert quartz hold if u won’t lose cast

[gusty mirage]

Any of those track bleeds

[mellow pier]

Or hold for something like sludgefist

[stoic needle]

I recommend tracking them with plater or a similar nameplate addon

[novel quiver]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[gusty mirage]

Plater gang

[desert quartz]

okies.. so i use off CD.. ok

thankks

[pliant rose]

The weird thing is: I would start going Necro rn, but I think about getting it to 35 first, so I'll "have it ready" .. what a stupid system 😄 I want to continue to play MA in 2s, so I guess I can go Venth for a week or two.

[mellow pier]

@desert quartz no

[sleek sparrow]

I realized you were stating not asking

[mellow pier]

Use together if u won’t lose a cast of flag

[gusty mirage]

[desert quartz]

ah ok much clearer.. thanks

[stoic needle]

It's not that simple, unless you can predict the future (ie have the boss on farm) you don't know whether you will lose a cast of flag or not

[gusty mirage]

I have afenars installed tbh and I barely look at the bleed trackers. My plater shows me most of the info I need. It’s a godsend

[stoic needle]

It's better to just use it on cd

[mellow pier]

U can tell

[stoic needle]

Unless you're doing some parse run

[sleek sparrow]

You can assume off of average clear times for first kills

[stoic needle]

If you have a dps die and that slows down your kill you cant actually tell

But everyone's raid is different

[mellow pier]

You’re actually inting

[desert ether]

So with all the new buffs is Venthyr any good. I know I watched a video of pikaboo switching to it. He wasn't too sure on it...😂😂

[tepid iris]

your plater?

[mellow pier]

If u don’t look at fight times

[tepid iris]

which one?

[proven talon]

i cant find anything about necrolord for sin

[alpine scroll]

!bis

[stoic needle]

It's better to use it on cd until you have kill times for YOUR raid

[proven talon]

is there any details

[mellow pier]

Not true

[stoic needle]

You have no idea what you're talking about dude

[gentle gyro]

by the terminology he plays league, so proceed with caution

[gusty mirage]

Aye, I can share my profile. But it still has the two breath of the dying ranges in it I’ve been too lazy to remove it

[sleek sparrow]

[stoic needle]

Looking at fight timers for some other raid that has different composition to yours tells you nothing

[gentle gyro]

i mean some mythic fights are more or less scripted

[tepid iris]

I'm going to guess that that's some power that happened while I was on game sabbatical 😉

[stoic needle]

It's always better to use it on CD until you have actual kill timers for your own raid

[tepid iris]

I need to find that group interrupt WA

that I've seen in a lot of videos now, it's sexy lookin'

[burnt star]

i wonder if going MFD for sludgefist would be better

u can use on pillar

[lunar thicket]

are you Doomblade users crafting on shoulders or hands? is there any diff?

[burnt star]

more envenom cast with shiv on pillar

[tepid iris]

hands

[sleek sparrow]

Pins for info

[desert quartz]

thanks for the info on the flag on CD or hold.. thanks!

[gusty mirage]

It’s even sexier when you see that 2 of your dps don’t kick at all the entire dungeon

[lunar thicket]

my bad, literally the first topic on one of them.... ty tho ❤️

[tepid iris]

meh, when I came back, my elemental shaman was happy because he could retire

[neat frost]

the shoulders from Stone Legio nGenerals makes hands the go to choice. if youre not going to kill them on Mythic (or atleast heroic) then you could craft shoulders if you can get good statted gloves

[sleek sparrow]

[neat frost]

but ideally, craft on gloves - stat weights for shoulders & gloves are equivalent

[tepid iris]

I PVP'd a lot on my rogue, so interrupts are so ingrained in me that it was problematic 😛

[gusty mirage]

I feel the majority of the player base either click their interrupt or actually type it out

[neat frost]

/cast Kick

[split veldt]

hmm sims are starting to tell me some mastery pieces are bigger upgrades, do i ignore it

O.O

[sleek sparrow]

Same actually

[brave vector]

Even sexier still when you’re running a pug and all 5 people use their interrupt on one cast

[gusty mirage]

Don’t let osh see this

[tepid iris]

I mean, it was worse back when kick was on GCD

[gusty mirage]

[sleek sparrow]

But no I wouldn't ignore it

[spice spire]

Clicking or typing?

Wat in Tarnation okay phone

[sleek sparrow]

If you have very low mastery it'll gain value

[neat frost]

@stoic needle has entered the chat

[sleek sparrow]

Cuz of diminishing returns n shit

[split veldt]

[gusty mirage]

I swear so many times I’ve seen people kick like 2 seconds after the cast went off

Like wut

[stoic needle]

[tepid iris]

Chargin' muh interrupt

SHOOP-DA-WHOOOOOOP

[spice spire]

Just put it on Q like a real gentleman

[stoic needle]

My sim is telling me I should gem for mastery

[desert ether]

Hmmmm. It seems my Sims always want me to go vers now. Not sure why. I have 17% haste

[stoic needle]

With doomblade

[tepid iris]

uuuuhhhh you mean shift-2, right

because shift-1 is evasion, like normal people

[gusty mirage]

He means F, Q is blind

[sleek sparrow]

V for vinterupt

[spice spire]

F is for flash tho

V is for vanish

[left sparrow]

F interrupt

lol

[warm parcel]

If the roborogue tells you something, its prolly the one thats right

[sleek sparrow]

F is for fire aka ignite

[random fossil]

MB5 interrupt gang

[brave vector]

Y’all don’t use ` for your interrupt?

[sleek sparrow]

~ is feint wut

[spice spire]

MB5

Exactly

[strange python]

g is for interrupt

[stoic needle]

Imagine not having kick on a mouse button

[tepid iris]

Esc is vanish, rebind default menu

[gusty mirage]

I use that to stealth

[spice spire]

I actually click stealth

[celest rover]

Yall don't have interrupt on mouse button 3?

[neat frost]

Ctrl + F7 obvously

[left sparrow]

i click stealth also

[stoic needle]

Shift+space for vanish is the way

[tepid iris]

@spice spire I mean, with how often you use it

that makes sense

[lunar thicket]

btw, they said yesterday that some runs of torg weren't giving soul ash, was that fixed?

[spice spire]

That’s push to talk for me, MB3

[strange python]

yes

[potent barn]

ctr+e interrupt gang

[left sparrow]

torg is fixed

[spice spire]

Yessir

[brave vector]

Wait I actually use that to stealth too, wtf is my kick

[spice spire]

Ya’ll lit af

[wary ice]

i ran 6 with no problem last night

[lunar thicket]

pog ty

[tepid iris]

Ooooh

[brave vector]

Oh alt+1

[gusty mirage]

I leave a scroll wheel free to switch to Xaryu vision freely

[sleek sparrow]

It was fixed in the middle of the day yesterday

[spice spire]

E is for garrote actually, that’s probably my weirdest one

[gusty mirage]

Whenever I don’t want to see anything, I zoom in really close and shake my camera like Xaryu does

[tepid iris]

e is rupture for me

[sleek sparrow]

I did it at reset and had to run 3 to get my Ash

[celest rover]

Shift+scroll for zoomies

[gusty mirage]

God that sucks

[sleek sparrow]

Shift E is garrotte

[left sparrow]

1 is garrote

lol

[stoic needle]

Do you have a moment to talk about our lord and savior the razer tartarus keypad?

[sleek sparrow]

It wasn't that bad, this week's event makes it very easy to stealth skip to the end

[strange python]

1 mut 2 gar 3 rup 4 env 5 fok

[fathom moat]

G is Garrote because it starts with G

[spice spire]

Imagine being a console gamer for an MMO @stoic needle

[upbeat gyro]

G502 mouse and bind everything to it, heh

[celest rover]

Wait, you guys don't play with a controller?

[brave vector]

Corsair scimitar and bind even more to it

[gusty mirage]

I wish ghub was better

[sleek sparrow]

Ff14 plays fine with a controller :^)

[left sparrow]

lol

[upbeat gyro]

personally never had any problem with that SW so... 😄

[spice spire]

I use a basic ass mouse for everything. An MMO mouse is just a controller for ur computer smh

[wooden perch]

what is stat prio for assa in m+?

[left sparrow]

haste/mastery

[fathom moat]

Personally I prefer to use a racing wheel whenver I can

[sleek sparrow]

And there's that frost mage who pushes 20+ keys with a controller while he's dancing with his characters animations

[upbeat gyro]

G+ Shift-G = mounts, H + Shift-H = hearthstones

[spice spire]

Haste/crit

[stoic needle]

Keypad not gamepad

[gusty mirage]

It’s def better than razer’s piece of garbage software though

[celest rover]

Not enough keys

[spice spire]

It’s still a controller for computers though

Real men use keyboards and mouse walk

[frigid kestrel]

For M+ am i using Lashing and Lethal? or am i using anything special like Wasteland Propriety?

[stoic needle]

Thiji is a fucking treasure

[spice spire]

I’m being very facetious btw

[gusty mirage]

I’m confused looking at this. My boomer brain can’t handle what it’s seeing

[stoic needle]

Wasteland propriety is the way

[frigid kestrel]

Or should i just keep on keeping on in M= with Sub since ill never touch OL?

[wild birch]

can I sim myself with a different covenant?

[spice spire]

Sin is definitely better for keys than sub at this point - for cleave

[frigid kestrel]

Bet, reading i figured but didnt see any suggestions anywhere

[upbeat gyro]

would love to use ctrl combinations as well, but the finger always gets a cramp when i try to reach it (pinky finger)

[quiet tundra]

In pvp would you guys go with MA or Doomblade?

[stoic needle]

It's like the Right hand side of your keyboard separated into its own thing with extras

[gusty mirage]

Yeah check unlock all soulbinds and all conduits in topgear

[wild birch]

@gusty mirage Thanks

[left sparrow]

noob question

[spice spire]

In throne I ran heroic with a touchpad. So in reality I’ve always been ass backwards in playing wow

[left sparrow]

where is the valor vendor

[stoic needle]

The thing about keyboards is that some of the keys are larger than they need to be. Keypads fix that and give you more buttons in the same space on your desk

[sleek sparrow]

Just get diamond hands not paper hands

[gusty mirage]

You’ll want to do a conduit ilvl override when testing other covenant conduits though because it defaults them to 145ilvl for some reason

[upbeat gyro]

Its the guy that upgrades the PVP items, as I recall

[tropic tendon]

guys do think its worth to change covenant from nightfae to ventyhr ?

[gusty mirage]

Yeah covenant gear and pvp upgrade guys can do it

[upbeat gyro]

also covenant gear? sweet

[pliant apex]

i thought entering vanish with 2-3 CP is totally okay?

[gusty mirage]

You can upgrade pvp gear with that guy too

🙂

[spice spire]

I did but I’ve always wanted to go venthyr. It’s a DPS upgrade. I’m currently 27, and it’s still +70 without the final row

[upbeat gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/blink-blinking-stare-looking-what-gif-12390150

[gusty mirage]

So if you’re not buying conq gear you can queue from the sanctum freely

[upbeat gyro]

kinda mindblown now 😄 😄

[devout jay]

so ass is great again ?

[pliant apex]

@stoic needle is enterning vanish with 2-3CP okay. with MA

[celest rover]

Aligned F1 F2 etc keys is the winner winner chicken dinner

[pliant apex]

you have razer and another brand keyboard, does that not affect OCD?

[strange python]

my main number row is also my f key row sadly

[pliant apex]

i cant use diff brand stuff , no sir

[upbeat gyro]

nice keyboard

[spice spire]

That’s a nice keyboard

[desert ether]

As of yet. I have not really heard anything good on Venthyr. People are kind if quiet about it.

[stoic needle]

You should try to go into vanish with 4 or 5 cp

[brave vector]

Do you actually play with this? How do you use modifiers? Genuinely curious

[spice spire]

Venthyr is pretty Pog

[gusty mirage]

New flag hits really hard. It’s actually fun af

[pliant apex]

i didnt know that, whisp said it was okay with 2-3 , but that was beginning of expac

[spice spire]

I’m enjoying it. Haste and real damage is good

[gusty mirage]

You get a ton of haste if you play deeper strata or mfd

[strange python]

New flag is awesome. Not having to recast it is soooooooo pog

[left sparrow]

omg

[spice spire]

Only one GCD Andy now

[stoic needle]

Been thinking about making the button on the side alt too

[left sparrow]

everybody and they momma is simming

lol

[brave vector]

Oh that’s big brain lmfao

[gusty mirage]

EU reset day, raidbots is probably slammed rn

[upbeat gyro]

It's a shame you can't have your covenant and choose a different covenant class ability. Maybe in 9.1 where the covenants will "work together"

[celest rover]

It's a shame you can't test cov abilities like you could at first

[cold rampart]

we go with dauntless duelist?

[strange python]

new flag is really fun for aoe

[stoic needle]

2-3 is okay, but 4-5 is optimal

[neat frost]

I wish I had never left; so glad to be back

[celest rover]

Wot

[strange python]

vamp gang

[gusty mirage]

Yeah it’s kinda dumb that once you pick your first covenant you can’t mess around with the others

[stoic needle]

New flag is legit the best rogue covenant ability

I got 27 stacks on h sire yesterday after vanish > garotte sire, remornia and adds and then vend + flag on sire

[neat frost]

Returning to Venthyr to still have 14k anima and 12 renown already there was super legit.

The two week switch process was yikes tho

[celest rover]

Wait you can go above 20 stacks?

[cold rampart]

deeper or vigor?

[stoic needle]

Stacks cap at 30

[celest rover]

Never saw mine above 20 hmm

[stoic needle]

You could easily get to 30 with dashing and vigor tbh

[celest rover]

O not using dashing

[stoic needle]

Neither was I

But it's about your energy generation

Means you can spend more cp in 12s

Having higher crit also makes it easier to get more stacks

[desert ether]

What is PoG ??

[cold rampart]

@stoic needle dauntless duelist?

[wild birch]

How much simmed dps on average people gained after 9.0.5?

[stoic needle]

Depends on the fight. If you have to hard swap targets ever, double potency with WPS is a viable option but otherwise dauntless is going to be better

[stoic needle]

I gained like 700

Feels bad having your dauntless procced on general kaal while she's flying in the air or immune

[pure moth]

Gained 300

[stoic needle]

Same thing with attendants on council

[bleak phoenix]

can i start playing assa with only 1 dagger?

[stoic needle]

No

[gusty mirage]

No

[pliant rose]

[slender trail]

no, mute requires two

[bleak phoenix]

rip

[celest rover]

Go pvp, 900conq

[gusty mirage]

Otherwise your only builder will be fan of knives and you’ll be sad

[wild birch]

Is there anything wrong with this sim?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8R8mcVpXkhYjTsfdmyJ8Ra

[celest rover]

Venth pvp daggers look pretty nice too 😏

[wild birch]

I have 27.5% haste

[stoic needle]

No that looks fine

[tardy steppe]

is sin now finally better then outlaw for pve or

[desert ether]

😳😳😳

[gusty mirage]

I was happy at 18%

[stoic needle]

For ST

[tardy steppe]

nice

[desert ether]

How ??

[wild birch]

I have haste on every single piece

Except one dagger

[neat frost]

Think it's better to run two potency for Stone Legion and Council?

[celest rover]

Not aligned F1 makes my heart ache

[slender trail]

for heroic sire, as venthyr, should i go sin w/ doomblade or outlaw w/ celerity?

[frigid kestrel]

Try simming with Stones and Agi Pots

[celest rover]

Essentially makes F5 unusable too

[gusty mirage]

Play zoldyk for sire if you wanna play assa

God autocorrect is murdering me today

[tacit forum]

Imagine using past F3

[stray canopy]

is serrated bonespike buggd? tooltip reads hits for 3679 base but on mobs im not seeeing over 2.8

[slender trail]

i don't have zold. my only two options are listed above

[celest rover]

Compact keyboard here, everything is in reach 😏

[tacit forum]

Mine too with alt and shift lol

[livid turtle]

is there any reason why Shiv doesn't show in casts on warcraftlogs

[tacit forum]

I call it box box killer

[hollow jungle]

@slender trail sin for boss dam/p3, outlaw for p1/2. Whatever group needs

[bright pewter]

how are the assasination rogue buffs?

I havent rlly tried them yet

[tacit forum]

Pretty damn good

[solar hare]

Best single target rogue spec, loses to outlaw in any 2+ target typically

[tacit forum]

It more a quality of life buff tho

[pliant rose]

hmm... I'd say 3+

[tacit forum]

9.1 new talents?🤯

[slender trail]

that's what i'm leaning. w/o zold, it just comes down to boss vs cleave. p2 will be easier with outlaw, but i think overall more damage should go to boss (with my config) as sin.

[bright pewter]

what about arenas?

or is that still dominated by sub

[strange python]

9.0.5 assa is soo good, i have 40 renown on venthyr 😄 Pog spec atm

[narrow shuttle]

just swaping from sub what is the best raiding legendary to craft?

[pliant rose]

sub with dps, assa with healer

[wild birch]

^

[wary sail]

People are saying Zold isnt the play naymore, rather its Doomblade now

[gusty mirage]

Pika switched and seems to be loving it

[hollow jungle]

I’m gonna do a full clear as sin in a sale run tonight to see it fully, but feel like I’m gonna outlaw slg only from now on

[celest rover]

Assa is more sustained damage obv, sub is burst central

[gusty mirage]

I haven’t had a chance to touch arena yet, I will soon tho

[tacit forum]

Doomblade for ST Zold for cleave and execute

[pliant rose]

that's not true, because the only really win condition for Assa is Vanish + double Envenom with MA 😉

[bright pewter]

i just remember first weeks of the expansion sub just oneshot ppl with kyrian

[drifting imp]

!bis

[wild birch]

@pliant rose What? No, with doomblade you have a killing GO on every kidney basically

[pliant rose]

I mean not the ONLY... but even Raz is doing it after weeks on Doomblade ..

Don't think that DB does have this burst even as NF... it's nice, but MA is 100% a kill if you can survive that long without Vanish imho

[bleak dune]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[wild birch]

No difference

[gusty mirage]

Does this mean I’ll see you here more than just in the #pvp channel?

[pliant rose]

Play both though.. but always get the kills with MA

[bleak dune]

hmm is the stat prio not before 9.05ß

[neon siren]

!addon

[pliant rose]

Oh no! Sorry 🙂 Of course not!

[worldly sedge]

damn vers is really our second stat? 🤔 my sims say it's valued low along with mastery

[hollow jungle]

[hushed marlin]

if you were planning to just casually run mythics as sin, what legendary would you use?

[gusty mirage]

Don’t leave me

[wild birch]

MA

[hollow jungle]

I have 30% vers, so it sims my worst stat. Therefor, just sim lol

[hushed marlin]

guess i dont need to make one then

[pliant rose]

But I will stick to Assa in Raid too now! DOnt like Outlaw that much any more

[late raven]

What would be the opener with MA and assas in M+?

[smoky dome]

what covenant you boys think would be best for assa for pvp

[hollow jungle]

Garrote

[upbeat gyro]

in M+ i would go with Subterfuge and spam garrote as much as i can

[worldly sedge]

so then would MA even matter if you're spamming garrote on openers? wouldn't a better concept be to use zoldyck?

[strange python]

NL rolls w/ exsanguinate yeah?

[hushed marlin]

what do you got for ST isntead of subterfuge?

[dim shoal]

I was thinking about Nightstalker

For big crit envenoms

[surreal hawk]

how?

[vast hound]

should i craft doomblade for raiding?

[dim shoal]

But subterfuge is just way too strong

[median mango]

crit/haste on db?

[wild birch]

Isn't MA simming same as Zold in M+ with subterfuge

[surreal hawk]

98.1% normal hits thats what it says

[worn path]

It’s like raidbots and pins don’t exist

[neon siren]

yo, whats the ambush/mutilate addon?

[hollow jungle]

Cringe.

[limber lion]

!ambush

[prisma monolith]

Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message

[drifting imp]

ummm wasn't there a bis sheet from whispyr?

[limber lion]

Not recommended though

[gusty mirage]

Just bind them to dif buttons man

[limber lion]

It got removed because it was bad

[neon siren]

ah ok, just extra bind then

[drifting imp]

ah k, i wanted it bc he had all the items in the dungeons listed with their stats and stuff

[hidden bloom]

which covenant are you going to use in this patch?

[limber lion]

Venthyr

[worn path]

Whispyr: goes to use !bis as a reference to 7k sim cries

[gusty mirage]

Droptimizer does a lot of the same thing as that spreadsheet did minus the chance of misleading some people

[solar loom]

How does assassin feel compared to legion? Loved the king's bane days

[hidden bloom]

will venthyr be better even for m +?

[woven needle]

For those that raided last night how did you do? I felt like energy regen was kinda slow outside of flag

[wild birch]

Oh damn, replacing all gems and enchants from haste to crit improves my dps by 23. Fuck that

[surreal hawk]

wait does doomblade dmg ticks count 100% on shade of barghast adds?

that might be it

[placid kite]

I've a quick question, hope anybody can help me:

The sims for Dungeon Slice Sub vs Assa in Pins tell me Assa should theoretically (in 'BiS gear') sim higher than Sub (~100DPS).

So I simmed Dungeon Slice with NF/Venth for Sub/Assa and MY Sub outperforms the Assa sim by a lot.

Assa: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/poX8Q7GvAGpoQ6bMZ8wKnZ
Sub:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kU6uAeDdTSe3DeTsKghZKh

So the question would be: Are my stats just that bad for Assa for Dungeonslice? Cause I don't think it's only because of the Rank 2 MA

[stoic needle]

Yeah I do

[wary ice]

off the cuff, its probably the overlap of First strike + MA

[celest rover]

Anyone have raid logs as necro?

[wary ice]

compare it with niya + MA or zoldkys + FS

[placid kite]

Venth is simmed there as well, but its worse than NF

[stoic needle]

210 vs 235 is a lot of stats missing. Sim it with a 235 MA to compare

[wary ice]

it sure is hang on I'll take another look

[stoic needle]

You'd also see gains switching to MFD

[placid kite]

I'm simming again with 235 MA + Mfd, wait a second :]

[vague scroll]

do you suggest opening with flaggelation in single target

because according to IV you should but it seems kinda meh to me, especially with DS

[strange python]

Sim the pins bro

[wary ice]

Has new flag been optimized in the apl yet?

[halcyon fulcrum]

Asa is now better then outlaw ?

[placid kite]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/j1LMoMmrxmJA9nqyUG41mr

that's a gain and puts Venth ahead, but still down close to 300dps compared to the sub sim

[pliant rose]

hmm, i would go for garrote still... but you just get a crit-tick from it unfortunately... don't see a good point here for MA ... you could spam ambush but.... Garrote is much better on 3

[late birch]

How big of a difference is weapon damage ? , Most of my gear is like 226 but my main hand is like 213 only :\

[dim rampart]

Assa is not rly so much higher than sub for mm+, i'm not surprised

[prisma crescent]

Main Hand is the most important piece of gear

[wild birch]

On 6 targets, x3 garrote>fan>CT>vanish>x3 garrotes will do insane dmg in M+

[pliant rose]

sure, but Vanish has 2 Min CD 😉

[stoic needle]

I would suspect this is just quirks of the dungeon Slice sim type. Sub has always simmed better on dungeon Slice than sin but sin is superior in cleave and 5 target aoe

[primal dagger]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[stoic needle]

Dungeon Slice is not always indicative of actual m+ performance, it's just one of the better ways to evaluate how different talents and stats will affect performance in a mixture of aoe and single target

[placid kite]

yeah, alright, then i'll just need to try and compare it in play I guess, thanks for your input

[stoic needle]

I can tell you that sub plays a bit worse. It's got really poor cleave performance unfortunately

[placid kite]

yeah I know unfortunately, just wanted to play some Assa maybe cause it sims higher in Patchwerk for me now. my other rogue is ol so i dont wanna go ol for m+ on this rogue 😄

[stoic needle]

Sub has good single target, and then good 8 target aoe, but everything in between that is kinda wonky

[split veldt]

switched my gems and chants to crit and this happened, i think it's a sign to go back to haste

O.O

[desert ether]

Sub is wonky period. Feels weird and odd to use. Hard to explain

[void gazelle]

Do i have to shiv before sepsis?

[hidden bloom]

NF or venthyr to m+?

[surreal hawk]

sepsis into shiv i think

[prisma crescent]

Oh yeah speaking of Shiv, why doesn't it show up on WCL?

[wild birch]

Sepsis>Shiv

[stoic needle]

Combat log for shiv is bugged

Blame blizzard

[desert ether]

I really hope they leave assassin. It actually feels nice now.

[surreal hawk]

i have a feeling that someone forgot something

shades seems to take full dmg in logs

from the leggo

[wary ice]

havent they always?

[surreal hawk]

not in logs

[stoic needle]

[wary ice]

i thought the log just ignored the bonus damage asapart of the overall

[outer siren]

Hmm

[surreal hawk]

yeah but it doesnt ignore it for the legendary

at least thats what im guessing

[prisma crescent]

The cast doesn't show up

[wary ice]

Ahhh im probably just dumb here tbh

[outer siren]

Yeah just makes you open it up, not sure why

If you click on it you can see

[left sparrow]

what lego for M+

[tight ginkgo]

Still trying to figure out sbs use in m+ packs for sin. Is it better to use SBS to get ruptures out or FOK into ruptures followed by SBS application? Or something completely different?

[wild birch]

Zold or MA

[left sparrow]

3 garrote ma?

[celest sundial]

we always go nadjia right?

if venthyr

[left sparrow]

i think theo is better

m+

[celest sundial]

oh

[wary ice]

honestly a question

[stoic needle]

Theotar for aoe/m+ fights where thrill seeker gets fucked by mechanics

[wild birch]

@left sparrow

[left sparrow]

whats the rotation in M+ with MA

Garrotex3 like bfa?

[stoic needle]

Garotte x4 ct MfD rupture

[left sparrow]

can you garrotex4 now?

[stoic needle]

MA just gives you the option of vanishing into envenoms for priority dmg instead of just to refresh garottes again

You can but only 3 will be subterfuge buffed

You should still get out 4 though

[hardy nexus]

so as assa now im swaping from Night fae to Ven ?

[azure fox]

!aoe

[stoic needle]

If you want to

[vast hound]

!legendaries

[stoic needle]

[vast hound]

the pins are complicated man

[true ingot]

Is rerolling rogue for 9.1 looking like a decent option?

[stoic needle]

[brave gyro]

Is it worth holding flagelation 30 sec for Vendetta every time?

[azure fox]

Uhh..for AoE, you spam Fan of Knives and spend it on Envenom in hopes of a poison bomb proc, right?

[hardy nexus]

thanks

[stoic needle]

If it's m+, huntsman, or generals, you run CT. only fok at 4+ targets. Otherwise you mutilate. You multidot with garottes and ruptures, keep CT up and refresh it in pandemic. You can spam it at 8+ targets

[azure fox]

ty 😌

[full tide]

CT?

[stoic needle]

Crimson temptest

[iron orchid]

Crimson Tempest

[full tide]

Crimson Tempest

tyty

[slow tulip]

!opener

[full tide]

came to me just as I asked

[slow tulip]

yo bois, where can i see the suggested opener for assa

thx a lot

[full tide]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[full tide]

There you go

[slow tulip]

thx

[full tide]

Alternatively to try and fit in here

😉

[strange python]

But exsanguinate for bone spike...

[spice spire]

Not a thing

[onyx wind]

man how am i supposed to compete

with people ½ my kill times

on hc

zzz

[iron orchid]

Just don't x)

[onyx wind]

yea but i wanna compare

[limber lion]

Exactly

Gotta do it with the pumpers

[woven bane]

is there a reason why you cant see Shiv being used in logs?

[vast pond]

So overall, how smooth is venth feeling with DS? I'm really trying to hold off swapping, but looking logs it appears it's already taking over. Granted it is still a small sample size.

[strange python]

Find logs of similar kill times

[eager yacht]

if i have 5 combo points do i use them on rupture or eviscerate?

[limber lion]

Yeah, Blizzard's combat log is shit and doesn't have a cast-action set for Shiv.

[slender trail]

doesn't seem to be, no. the only caveat is if you are only going to get one more of each in a fight, then line them up again. otherwise just use on cooldown/when smart.

[limber lion]

It only applies the buff but doesn't "cast it".

But you can see the Shiv-uses in Damage Done

[true ingot]

Is assassin looking to be the best going forward

[limber lion]

If you look at timelines > damage done instead of timelines > casts

[limber lion]

The best at what

At ST? Yeah

At M+? No

At AoE? No

[true ingot]

Overall for raiding.

[thorn turtle]

@stoic needle what talent do u get for raid?

[limber lion]

Yes

I think both Assa and Outlaw are at similar levels in raiding, they just server different needs

[crimson palm]

@balmy condor what target count does sbs pull ahead of venth

[limber lion]

But Sub is bad

[rigid tartan]

anyone else having weird stuff happening with luxthos rogue wa as venthyr assa? it sometimes shows Vendetta being up but its surely not and on CD. i also just updated it today

[spice spire]

My parses gonna be garbage tonight because very few pumpers

[stoic needle]

Depends on the fight really

[thorn turtle]

hungering

blind and bomb?

[onyx wind]

i suck at assa and im still doing more than on sub

[thorn turtle]

doomblade?

[stoic needle]

Yeah

[manic haven]

Seeing different opinions on stat prio, if I'm looking for purely raidsingle target in general it's Haste then vers correct? Just thinking for what to craft on doomblade.

[thorn turtle]

k, time to check how am i doing

didn't visit raid since getting curve

[stoic needle]

If you use a lot of pvp gear haste crit may be better

[lean coral]

should i just bind a anima battery to flag?

[quiet juniper]

Hey are the sims for necro and venthyr out yet ?

[spice spire]

It’s haste and vers/crit

So just vibe it out papi

[stoic needle]

Sure

[manic haven]

Cheers lads, I might go haste/crit in that case - rocking a lot of pvp gear atm

[spice spire]

Sounds good

[calm grail]

Guy/Lok do you guys run GS in dungeons too?

[sick karma]

Someone may have already asked this but anyone know why shiv doesn't show up in the cast timeline on warcraft logs. I can see its been cast in the damage breakdown, but not in the timeline

[spice spire]

I’m blanking on GS

[spice spire]

Shiv casts are bugged on WCL they don’t show on timeline

[sick karma]

how irritating

[onyx wind]

Its a dps loss to cast shiv

[spice spire]

Yep

[onyx wind]

thats why good players dont use it B)

[spice spire]

That’s troll

Exksdee

[neat frost]

This happened to me - i was very confused

[onyx wind]

man how do i get to 30 stacks

on flag

without lust

crit more?

[spice spire]

Blessed rng

Yeah

Lmao

[onyx wind]

nice

[neat frost]

Crit more and get more Blindside procs?

[onyx wind]

thanks i will try

[neat frost]

lol

[spice spire]

I’m sure as we get more stats it becomes easier

But for now LMAO good luck idiots

[stoic needle]

Multiple bleed targets for the energy

[heavy skiff]

does dauntless duelist reset if the adversary dies?

[stoic needle]

Yep

[heavy skiff]

nice so i will have no problem using it on sire ie

[stoic needle]

I mean it'll be on sire the entire time

But I'd still use it because the adds don't live long enough

[pliant rose]

Wasn’t up for the stealth nerf. Does anyone have numbers? What was it? Thx in advance

[stoic needle]

I wouldn't use dauntless on generals or council

[stoic needle]

It was just a nerf to flag interacting with shadow blades

Not a real nerf

[neat frost]

better to swap to Theotar?

[dapper yew]

is there a macro that will let me Mutilate or when Blindside is up that u can Ambush instead

[neat frost]

or just second Potency on Nadjia

[pliant rose]

I thought they nerfed numbers too?

[stoic needle]

Sim it, i feel like double potency may still be better than theotar for st

[stoic needle]

Not afaik

[neat frost]

I asked this the other day, the gist was you need an addon and it is very messy

[pliant rose]

Ah okay. Someone told me the numbers were much higher on PTR (270 something) and they lowered it.

[dapper yew]

#showtooltip
/cast [stance] Ambush; Mutilate

[stoic needle]

Ya I haven't heard anything about that

[neat frost]

For simming Generals, do folks just do Patchwerk with 2 bosses?

[heavy skiff]

!bs

[prisma monolith]

Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message

[neat frost]

I ended up just putting ambush as my Shift+Mutilate bind

so when proc is up, i just hold shift and stil lpress the same key for building combo points

but i am simple and dimwitted

[dapper yew]

can you share your shift macro

[neat frost]

its not even a macro

legit, just taking up real-estate on my bars

lol

[stable arch]

any changes in opener with venth and flag?

[stoic needle]

That's not quite the same because in that both targets are up the whole time. Generals has invulnerability periods and the intermissions. There's a fight type with adds and invulns but I don't remember what it's called in raidbots RN

[thorn turtle]

http://prntscr.com/10i5jxs

i lost

[frigid kestrel]

O NOOOOOO

[dim temple]

uhmm been looking at the new logs it seems some fights NF works better .. and on sunking some dude play Korayn and are almost 700 dps ahead with Korayn

[whole cypress]

if im gonna play sin and outlaw should i just stay NF or go Venthyr?

[rough storm]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[shadow helm]

deeper strat for m+ or veegor

[sharp pivot]

Depend on what you're doing I think, raid ? mm+ ?

[whole cypress]

both

[sharp echo]

yo is assa playable now? both in raid and m+?

[thorn turtle]

always has been

[wary ice]

sunkings fight is like designed with korayn in mind

First strike gets so much value on that fight its insane

[sharp pivot]

If you're playing sin in raid, Venthy is better I think, but not far away from NF... The difference will be not
significant...

[wanton mortar]

how much haste you need to play deeper talent? i have no energy at all on pull

[dim temple]

yea.. Huntsmand 2 NF at top

[wanton mortar]

feels so weird

[strange python]

hearing rumors there was a stealth nerf to flag....how bad is it?

[wary ice]

trust your sim; Deeper will always be much slower than the other options

[whole cypress]

ok, thanks. i dont have the will to do another cov switch

[dim temple]

I hear the same..

[hollow escarp]

how is that better than Dreadfire Vessel 220?

[heavy skiff]

2x on use maybe

[hollow escarp]

I used skulkers + dreadfire for a while now

when I simmed this morning it didn't show as upgrade

[halcyon zealot]

DFV ignore armor, idk if the sims account for that, so in practice it does more dmg than a sim thinks it does

could be one reason

[hollow escarp]

it also crits a lot

but it's 10k on 90 sec

so if the decanter procs 5 times, it's already better

[halcyon zealot]

ive been using it on sludge prog and got some 50k bangers on pillars

with DFV

[thorny lion]

Sadly its arcane dmg Not nature

[hollow escarp]

I'm gonna use it on Huntsman though

[quiet juniper]

Now what is the most balanced cov for pvp/raid and pve ? is it venthyr ?

[hollow escarp]

but I like Dreadfire over Skulkers

[desert ether]

People are saying the covenants are one now. But I am just now getting the word that Venthyr is good now.

*close now

[wanton comet]

I'm hearing the same

[stable arch]

i recently noticed when using mutilate from stealth with subterfuge, it automatically changes to ambush.. is this correct?

[halcyon zealot]

rogues have always been lucky in that there is literally less than 2% difference between any covenant

[oak sapphire]

i went necrolord, and i jsut love being able to slap shit from range, im fine with being a bit lower dps

[stable arch]

or some weird macro maybe

[dim temple]

what u simcing ?

[quiet juniper]

I see

[oak sapphire]

im only 12 reknown atm, leveling campaign today then ill sim

[wispy leaf]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[slender trail]

you can sim full soulbind tree now if you're curious

[oak sapphire]

it feels reaaaaly strong in any longer fights

[ionic kelp]

if we are talking about mythic, overall dps does not matter at all. which is also why its not part of rankings

[slender trail]

rather than wait

[dim temple]

Ohh I made reown level 31 in 2 days lol

[oak sapphire]

like i did a top 16

[hollow escarp]

also why did I sim Deeper?

[oak sapphire]

and the bone spikes were out all fight

[celest rover]

Got any details logs of any of the boss fights?

Wanted to see how much % SBS was doing

[civic tree]

For Raiding, what legendary is best for me? Doomblade or Zoldyck? I saw a lot Zoldyck`s but at bloodmallet doomblade scores much higher... i am confused

[crisp cove]

yah check pins, but short version is Zoldyck is better if execute is important

[civic tree]

just checked it, ty

[dim shoal]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[hollow jungle]

deeper just feels so slow...not a fan 😦

[onyx wind]

Seems like vigor sims higher for me with no lust on pull tho

So might be worth taking into account

[rare blaze]

It does!

[crimson palm]

so ur saying the lowest apm spec in the game feels slow

[hollow jungle]

there's slow w/ vigor, then slow with ds

it's not the same

[limber lion]

Yeah salut to you too

[pliant apex]

you can safely play MA and Vigor on all bosses right? unless min maxing for world top parses?

a general question

[hollow jungle]

of course.

[north basin]

what about 2 on use trinkets ? viable? MA talents affects em?

wana go skulkers + denatrium

[pliant apex]

problem with 2 on use trinks, i often forget to use second one lol

[north basin]

))

[coral imp]

does the MA talent work with trinkets?

[dire lintel]

Any info on what legendary to play in m+ now? Or any suggestion maybe ?

[frigid kestrel]

MA = Zoldyck

[indigo ginkgo]

so whats the stats for the doomblade legendary ! hast crit, hast mastery or hast vers ?

[hollow jungle]

i went haste/crit, but sim ur own toon

[wild birch]

Haste/vers if you want to play pvp haste/crit if you never plan to play pvp

[dire lintel]

@frigid kestrel thx 🙂

[vestal wren]

go deeper

[dim shoal]

deeper.

[hollow escarp]

I'm afraid

it's my first time this expansion

[dim shoal]

still deeper

[hollow escarp]

deeper I can see but how is 226 decanter better than 220 vessel?

[dim shoal]

Farmed 8 times +15 plaguefall 🙂 Got Dagger 3 times 🙂
Im happy now 🙂
210 Phial Team

[cold rampart]

energy regen with deeper is trash

even tho it sims high

[frozen jasper]

IQD 226 vault, lets goo

[hollow escarp]

I guess with envenom pandemic it's not that bad

[cold rampart]

we sill envenom on 4 cp?

or 5

[polar cape]

Deeper feel really good with 20% haste

[heavy skiff]

I have 9% ams deeper still sims higer

[balmy condor]

4 with vigor, 5 with ds

[cold rampart]

ayyy the legend is here

[hollow escarp]

6 ideally

but I'd rather keep buff up

[balmy condor]

I woke up yes xD

[static wadi]

Btw do you lose the socket if you upgrade a legendary?

[edgy notch]

is it worth to pool hard before using Flagellation?

[frigid kestrel]

Wait... you actually sleep?

[grizzled plover]

No you dont

[balmy condor]

How would you like them simplified

[balmy condor]

Idk how much more simple I can make this

[livid temple]

Hay guys i just had a few questions... the opener right now with MA (talent) is Mut>SnD>Mut>Garrote>Flag>Vendetta>Rupture?

also do i want to always use flag and vendetta together, or is holding flag for 30 seconds not a good idea?

[balmy condor]

You cast on cd unless you absolutely know you’re not missing a cast

[livid temple]

okay sweet, i thought it would be weird to hold flag

[balmy condor]

I do

[frail fossil]

gl whispyr ty for ur work

[balmy condor]

I think it’s neutral or better on 2

[gloomy fern]

hmm need to fetch 70 dps somewhere to break the 7k

[balmy condor]

[wild birch]

@balmy condor Maybe update this one, since DS sims higher

[stark heart]

@balmy condor Cut is the best thing since sliced bread

[frail fossil]

not having to press snd more than once pausechamp

[balmy condor]

I will not, since DS only sims higher if you’re venthyr, or have enough haste, but I’ll add a note

Recommending DS as the baseline is just no no

[desert ether]

What is deeper ??

[twilit quiver]

Does someone know how many valor points drop in raid? specifically heroic (does it make a difference? / can i clear both for points?)

[blazing arrow]

@desert ether deeper stratagem

Talent

[twilit quiver]

need to upgrade my phial CoolCat

[balmy condor]

Raid drops none

[desert ether]

Hell Yeah

[strange python]

any m+ will drop 135 however

[livid temple]

i know its early doors but assassination actually looks really pog right now

[balmy condor]

It’s kinda boring imo, but it doesn’t feel bad, so guess it’s fine

[twilit quiver]

Whaaat, oh no no no...
Alright, back to spamming +2s....
Need 14 keys 😄

[wild birch]

I have 27.5% haste and DS is only +12dps on NF

[stoic needle]

Pumping is never boring

[wild birch]

But still +

[grizzled plover]

Hey there!, best tier of talents for single targets?

[livid temple]

my base haste is 17.3% without buffs, currently its telling me to prio Crit>Haste>Everything else, with DS it feels a little more clunky that with vigor, but i guess ive just gotta be better with making sure im not just dumping all my energy.

[pulsar sluice]

how long does it take to reach appreciative for sockets

shits a chore man

[wild birch]

Max rep

And the last step is 21k rep

[blazing arrow]

@wild birch I mean at that haste you should have no issues with energy.

DS can be kinda jank at low haste and vigor smooths that out

[ionic kelp]

you can get like 3-4k from venari weeklies

then just do hunt and wrath of the jailer

[pulsar sluice]

DS simmed like +30 dps over vig and i have 14% haste so i just go with vig

[grand echo]

i had very haste heavy gear but simming recommended like 15,5% haste 25,5% crit 20% vers instead of just stacking haste as venthyr with DS 🤷‍♀️ first i thought it'd better to just stack all haste possible

[blazing arrow]

What

?

[onyx wind]

Crit is really good for me

[livid temple]

so my Sin rogue sims for 6.4k just about... but i dont feel like i can nail that sim dps consistently. is the Wowhead guide up to date for 9.0.5? just trying to see where i can fix my issues

[stoic needle]

A lot of people use pvp gear which is heavy vers and haste and not much crit at all which will make crit more valuable

[north basin]

lashing 200 ===> lashing 213 = 11 dps tothemoon1

[stoic needle]

Remember to disable windfury totem

[blazing arrow]

I dunno if seli updated the IV guide yet

[onyx wind]

Well its easy

Check your lashing dmg in sims

Check the increase to that damage

[livid temple]

oooooff is windfury giving is giga results?

[onyx wind]

Thats why its low

[ionic kelp]

are you simming for patchwerk or training dummy

[onyx wind]

Lust, pot, augment rune

Use them on dummies if you want to compare

Or just sim without those buffs :P

[stoic needle]

Windfury is like 3.5%

[torpid spoke]

I did it

[north basin]

Critical Strike

1.51

[torpid spoke]

I simmed 6.8k

[stoic needle]

Do a target dummy sim and then hit a target dummy for 5 mins. If you can reach that you're fine

[plush ferry]

I have crit at 1.69 😄

[stoic flame]

Hey guys. new to rogue. Is assassination viable for pushing M+ (17-19ish) in comparison to outlaw?

[stoic needle]

Viable but inferior

[torpid spoke]

@stoic flame yes but outlaw is better IMO

[stoic flame]

No changes from 9.05 made it anymore viable?

[plush ferry]

it's better, but outlaw still better

[stoic needle]

Not needing to maintain SND in aoe is a small boost, but outlaw is still outlaw

[stoic flame]

Damn

[stoic needle]

Blade flurry go brr

[stoic flame]

Outlaw feels terrible

[torpid spoke]

Single target damage is nutty.

[vast hound]

which pot is better phantom fire or spectral agility?

[stoic needle]

There's an argument that you could run sin on tyrannical weeks bc the st is noticeably stronger

[onyx wind]

Try the MA killing spree build

its fun

[spice spire]

Depends on weapon modifier. If oils, phantom fire - if stones agility

[torpid spoke]

Ma killing spree is fun

[stoic needle]

It's always been 15% for sin and outlaw

[stoic flame]

Do you have a link?

[stoic needle]

Agi

[onyx wind]

sorry

i brainfarted

meant killing spree

[grand echo]

outlaw is really fun when you have enough gear and learn how to play it, but i prefer sin for ST. luckily with venth it's easy to swap between the two specs

[stoic needle]

Yes, it's a sub legendary based on a sub tier set, we're lucky it works at all for other specs

[grand echo]

wouldnt go to m+ as sin tho

[torpid spoke]

Pop blade flurry, vanish killing spree with ma

[grand echo]

doable but just better with outlaw.

[torpid spoke]

See ur numbers go to the moon

[onyx wind]

sin feels really bad on tyrannical weeks ngl

[lost mist]

Hey, how is infinitely divisible ooze??

[onyx wind]

packs die before i can use my 3rd garrote

[stoic needle]

I got Ksm as sin. I'm gonna keep pushing with it and see how high I can go but I'm also looking for a 1h

[stoic needle]

Why do you say that

[torpid spoke]

Sin is really good what u mean

I’m topping charts in 17 keys

[spice spire]

Oh it feels bad on packs

Sure

[torpid spoke]

For bosses

[onyx wind]

Im casting garrote while my mage is doing 35k dps

:(

[spice spire]

Yeah, I can definitely see that

[stoic needle]

Who cares about what the broken ass mage is doing

[torpid spoke]

Care about what ur doing

Lol

[spice spire]

But if that’s the case, just go ST chief

[stoic needle]

They do tank level dps outside of combust but you always do 6k+ very pack

[spice spire]

Not exaggerated case^

[stoic needle]

No CDs required

[torpid spoke]

With crimson tempest it can easily get 8k consistent packs

[onyx wind]

Yea im not saying sin is bad

I pull 10k on most 4-5+ mob packs

But the nature of the spec is bad in tyrannical

With certain classes in ur grp :)

[stoic needle]

I disagree

[torpid spoke]

Packs != tyrannical lol

[vestal wren]

outlaw is better in m+
sin can be good if single target is more relevant

[stoic needle]

Tyrannical is about bosses

[onyx wind]

I mean im blasting bosses really hard tho

[stoic needle]

And sin pumps hard on bosses and pride

[stray ivy]

why dont they nerf affleck and moonkid

[torpid spoke]

Then your doing good

[onyx wind]

Im super surprised sin is doing this kind of dmg

[torpid spoke]

Then you’re doing your job lol. Why complain

[void urchin]

exeo what leggo r u running?

[onyx wind]

What...

[vestal wren]

why? didn't you follow the sims?

[stray ivy]

is Sin good in m+ this patch?

[stoic needle]

If you wanna say sin is lacking on fortified I can see that

But sin is perfect on tyrannical

[onyx wind]

Its not about diong my job, its about sin feeling bad on trash packs that last a short amount of time

which i hope we can all agree on

[stoic needle]

Meh idrc about that, if the key gets timed that's all that matters

[torpid spoke]

I think it’s play style, some people like to dot multi targets some people don’t

[ionic kelp]

isnt completing the key the only thing that matters

[peak helm]

basic question that I haven't seen explained in guides: why do we open with mutilate instead of ambush?

[stray ivy]

no its about toping the meter

[onyx wind]

^

Nah but i dont think u guys disagree per se

Also doing 20k dps on pull feels insane

[sick scarab]

ion tyrannical you go full single targhet spec ? wiht doomblade and PB or going m+ default subterfuge , CT and zoldyck ?

i am curious

[peak helm]

@torpid spoke which pin explains why mutilate over ambush? Have read rotation on multiple sites and haven't seen it

[onyx wind]

depends on almost everything

[torpid spoke]

Currently using doomblade and downing bosses and pride super fast

[onyx wind]

Most group comps have front-loaded dmg

Which is why zoldyck is better than it sims

For cleave

But doomblade is banging aswell on ST

[wild birch]

@peak helm Mutilate hits twice, so if both crit 4 CP, ambush hits once for 2 CP with crit 3CP

[stoic needle]

Stay with ct and zold, only swap to doomblade for like top

[sick scarab]

yep

so default one

okok

[stoic needle]

If you consistently pull 3 targets or less doomblade is viable but that's very few dungeons

[torpid spoke]

I’ve been using doom for bosses and it feeels goooooooood

[sick scarab]

y but execute alsao good on tyrannical so

[dense bramble]

SD last boss don't even get to 50% hp

[balmy condor]

Mutilate gives more cp on crit, doubles poison proc, and there’s some time-sensitive combo point thresholding tied to vanish

[quiet juniper]

Is there a good legendary that can be usefull for pvp and mm+ ?

[torpid spoke]

Try doomblade

[onyx wind]

MA

[torpid spoke]

Or ma

[onyx wind]

Also, idk if im just used to being a 0% haste player but

Is it just me or does it feel like flag gives wayy more haste than it should

Not tooltip wise, but like actual number wise

[quiet juniper]

I see, was hesitating between zoldyck and doomblade since I rly dont like ma

[sick scarab]

agree in that 🙂

[torpid spoke]

You kinda have a built in ma from talents, but also doomblade burst is kinda nutty for pvp. I’ve seen some 2.3k rogues use doomblade vs ma

[onyx wind]

Sometimes i check my char sheet in m+ and im 90% haste

with alacrity and flag, nothing else

[fierce tulip]

is sin decent in pvp?

[onyx wind]

I have 17% haste base

[torpid spoke]

Yes, sub has more control though

[fierce tulip]

never really liked sub, so if i can maybe get atleast 1600 just playing sin i would be happy

[onyx wind]

I think most people will find it easier to climb as sin

especially in 2s

[crisp edge]

doomblade/necrolord/cleave gaming assa will be something that people will discover later on

probably

[dense bramble]

is the difference between mastery and haste too much? I run serrated bone spike and doomblade and really anjoy the bleeding/poison dot playstyle, but Serrated bone doesn't scale with haste

[quiet juniper]

but how come ma be that good in pve content ? a 4 seconds burst every 2 min seems not that good

[fierce tulip]

its every pack in m+

which is not 2min

[torpid spoke]

It’s very good but not as good as it is on outlaw.

[onyx wind]

Also the other options arent that good for single target

So no, 50% crit every 2 minutes isnt that good

but its better than the other options

[peak helm]

Is there any scenario where you would ever want to use ambush instead of mutilate from stealth as sin? I guess if you care more about the damage of that one global then the combo points for some reason?