assassination

[balmy condor]

lowercase or uppercase

[elfin valley]

how do read

[spice spire]

Yes

[rustic thunder]

oh my god the biggest dilemma right now - craft zoldyck or doomblade - mainly prog raiding, maaaybe m+

[spice spire]

Yes

[stoic needle]

i mean it would help

[balmy condor]

the point is you realize how difficult that is right

[stray mural]

Prog is Zoldyck, everything else is Doomblade

[wary ice]

If you're asking if Sin is better than outlaw now, the answer is probably not, if you're asking if you can get KSM with sin, the answer is without a doubt yes

[spice spire]

Doomblade is pretty prog oriented now. And M+ is zoldyck

[cursive roost]

Going to be simming this soon anyway, but have a ton of sims to run since I'll be running sin for the first time in a while today, but just curious whether IQD is any good for sin (since it's sort of garbage for outlaw which I've been playing up to now).

[simple kettle]

Ill progress with doomblade until my raid needs execute

[dark token]

imo doomblade for everything except sire, zoldyck on sire

[stoic needle]

no I don't actually, doesn't seem that hard except defining the limits on what gets modded - couldn't you just make it so that a message that's just a FAQ question and nothing else gets deleted? or am i overestimating the a capabilities of the automod

especially if you can respond to that automodding with a pm of the answer

[balmy condor]

okay well the question is

what is an FaQ question

[stoic needle]

"zoldyck on boots or legs?"

"is venthyr bis?"

[stray mural]

I already earned KSM. I’m just bored of Outlaw and I want to see if playing Assassination is worth it. I started as Sin but switched once I saw the immense difference in M+. I mainly raid.

[balmy condor]

okay and what if I ask "zoldyck on legs or botts"

[worn path]

Vendor that trinket 😂 I fucking hate it

[balmy condor]

that's a different question

[stoic needle]

that would be a permutation that would need to be added

[balmy condor]

yes obviously

but you have to account

[spice spire]

There’d be so many permutations at that point

[balmy condor]

for millions of permutations

like actually millions

[stoic needle]

even if it doesn't catch 100% of them it would help

[brittle pawn]

just delete *zold*

[stoic needle]

i mean cmon, i'm in here every day, these questions get asked the same way every time

i've noticed the patterns

[pliant sorrel]

I’m curious how much did armor effect doom blade matter anyone test that

[round harbor]

yes thats how class discords work

same 4 questions asked on a 20 minute rotation

[balmy condor]

^ that, but also we're humans, and not robots

it's not quite that easy

[stoic needle]

i still think that even if it doesn't catch 100% of them, catching even 30 or 40% would be a net benefit to the quality of the channel

[spice spire]

Like that guy above where I’m 99% sure he’s ESL asked about the blade of doom or just unnecessary elongates words. It’s just better for the quick answer from a person

[balmy condor]

also kinda what's the point of a discord if you just get answered by a bot

[ionic fox]

Whispyr isn't a discord generated bot?

[balmy condor]

no, even though I act like one

[stoic needle]

i feel like the in depth discussions get overpowered by the constant repeat of the same questions over and over again

[cursive roost]

ha thanks, duly noted!

[balmy condor]

aye aye

[ionic fox]

xD

[stoic needle]

if someone needs an in-depth answer they can ask it and still get a good response. if they want to know WHY zoldyck on legs over boots instead of just zoldyck on legs or boots

[thorn fjord]

Do we not want to run subterfuge if we're running MA?

[ionic fox]

LOL

[balmy condor]

we do, but nightstalker is a good option

[thorn fjord]

kk ty

[silent tinsel]

Is raidbots simming for new patch now?

[ionic fox]

no

[balmy condor]

refresh the page

[silent tinsel]

I want it now

[balmy condor]

literally just open raidbots

[ionic fox]

if you spam refresh it works faster

[balmy condor]

and whenever you want to ask

refresh it

and then don't ask

[vagrant delta]

And then ask anyway

[heavy trout]

take a shot every time ...

[plain jewel]

if we all refresh at the time time it will update

[pliant sorrel]

If I have 2 fists weapons can I mutilate

[spice spire]

!oh

[prisma monolith]

Mutilate requires a dagger in both hands, this makes using a non dagger weapons undesirable.

[pliant sorrel]

I gusss that wasn’t obvious enough I srry

[wide bolt]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[ionic fox]

Actualy question though in terms of Flag... when it comes to first 3 bosses in TOP do you need to pump CP into the flag target or can you rupture other bosses and the flag hits the main target/

because of CP usage

[soft shale]

you can rupture others

[manic harness]

"9.0.5 updates are NOT yet in place. The site will be updated a few hours after NA servers come up on Mar 9."

[pliant sorrel]

Isn’t new flag just a buff on us

[manic harness]

So Raidbots isn't working yet?

[pliant sorrel]

Rather than a debut

Like it was

[spice spire]

You can rupture other things.

[pliant sorrel]

Debuff

[stoic needle]

i am loving the pacing of deeper strat venthyr

[stable moss]

feels so good not having to refresh slice

omg

[stoic needle]

you get some slow moments and some fast moments

wow

[spice spire]

Correct it’s not for current patch

[pliant sorrel]

Ok but how much longer until we’re nerfed

[manic harness]

Okay so simming 5500 is okay right now lmao

[spice spire]

We deadass got buffed less than an hour ago

[pliant sorrel]

Yeah

And

[spice spire]

Convoke still exists

[ionic fox]

Does S&D forever stack with envenoms? does it reach a max?

[naive rock]

raidbots is not updated yet

[pliant sorrel]

Blizzard giveth and blizzard taketh

[naive rock]

im still doing less than outlaw st atm

[wise gull]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7RRa9zLQHsYBQpGLSuiUTe

pretty okay

[silent tinsel]

Why is enhance above us on the simcraft site

[sharp orchid]

I mean maxing vault every week is definitely doing content no? I just don’t pvp

[ionic fox]

If you do 10 15's and dont have a dagger above 194 you aren't doing it

[sharp orchid]

Okay buddy

[strange python]

nice

I am a stygia boy for the second week in a row

[ancient sonnet]

still using all 213 weps because game doesnt give me anything at all

[strange python]

literally 3 cloaks in vault

why

[silent dune]

getting Doomblade on shoulder slot 😄

[main monolith]

necrolord / venthyr ? :d

[spice spire]

[ionic fox]

@sharp orchid link your raider io profile lol

[silent dune]

there are haste/crit gloves that are farmable but no haste/crit shoulders anywhere

[stoic needle]

do i swipe the cc to get legendary base to upgrade doomblade now or wait and run some boosts

[balmy condor]

takes a psychopath to craft doomblade on shoulders tbh

[stoic needle]

there's no haste/mastery 233 shoulders in the game though

[misty holly]

thats why Im going shoulders too. great vault can give some good gloves. There are no good shoulders from M+

[spice spire]

@ me

[ancient sonnet]

i guess if you never kill stone legion mythic theres no reason not to get shoulders for doomblade no?

[balmy condor]

the slg shoulders are crit/vers

what are you guys on about

[ancient sonnet]

but they're the only shoulders you can get at >226 ilvl

[misty holly]

not in a mythic guild, and unlikely to ever pug that deep into Mythic

[celest drift]

Smoking crack 👀

[balmy condor]

other side shoulders are also crit/vers

[celest drift]

imagine min/maxing just to do HC Nathria

[ionic fox]

lmfao

[teal bloom]

what if there's higher ilevel gloves instead of shoulders in 9.1 raid and doomblade gloves will be useless 🤯

[ancient sonnet]

no harm in min maxing whatever content you do

[silent dune]

but there are gloves from mythic+ that are haste/crit

dont you have haste/crit ?

[balmy condor]

so?

[silent dune]

ghost knows what im talking about

[spice spire]

The argument is 233 > 226 with nice stats

[misty holly]

dude ive played a necrolord assassination rogue since launch. who is min maxing haha.

[balmy condor]

gonna bonk all you clowns with your secondary stat nonsense

[spice spire]

So I see it. But at the same time, shoulder gang

[balmy condor]

stop pretending like secondaries matter

[dire spoke]

@balmy condor apparently using subterfuge is a 200dps upgrade for me

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/txvz6jY9ywa18Ykd7Wtf7q

[misty holly]

but no reason to randomly craft something in the wrong slot just because mythic raiders do it that way with their different loot tables than I work with

[spice spire]

Agility is king kings

[ancient sonnet]

at the end of the day primary stat is best right, so if you arent gonna ever get stone legion shoulders on mythic getting shoulders = most agi possible or am i dumb?

[balmy condor]

you didn't sim blindside

[dire spoke]

?

[ancient sonnet]

since the highest ilvl loot you can get outside of last 2 on mythic is 226

[balmy condor]

did you? I don't see it anywhere

[spice spire]

Shoulders and glove have same stat caps

[dire spoke]

what do you mean

[spice spire]

So they’re identical

[balmy condor]

oh

I see

[ancient sonnet]

so then you just see what secondaries are available at that point and choose the slot with the worst possible stats if you're truly tryna minmax that much

[balmy condor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qGQsWx5EfM6iMAYW41TuzK

im confused

[dire spoke]

is the apl updated already

[ionic fox]

no

[balmy condor]

you vendetta with flag, vendetta first

[dire spoke]

what is happening with my rogue

[hollow robin]

Hey for swapping covs, whats the best way to transfer anima

just buy a ton of the 100 anima gear?

or can you buy the mount and refund it?

[balmy condor]

idk man, I hit run sim again on your sim and it just works

[fair stag]

hey guys is your Flagellation conduit updated?

[unique fossil]

Hi I just want to say thank you for the pins. saved me a few messages. bless u all

[balmy condor]

yes

[plain jewel]

if i have a soul ash mission going, should i wait for it to complete before making the swap?

[balmy condor]

gotchu homie

[dire spoke]

few hours ago I sim 6k flat

[ionic fox]

I better sim 7k when i get off work tonight

[fair stag]

what's the tooltip on flag conduit? 70% inc dmg and hits 4 times?

[balmy condor]

well then it's a different profile

:)

[spice spire]

Raidbots is live with changes now guys

[balmy condor]

yes, for a 220

[balmy condor]

pog

[fair stag]

thank you good sir

[celest drift]

is there an easy way to sim another covenant on raidbot?

[jade coral]

i shouldn't have blindside for ST? I thought it was ok - but that's not what my sim is telling me lol

[celest drift]

or we have to play with strings?

[balmy condor]

tick the "unlock all soulbinds" checkbox in top gear

[dire spoke]

my topgear used Nightly (902-01), yours Nightly (905-01)

[celest drift]

gotcha, thx!

[balmy condor]

yeh, different profile

[dire spoke]

cheater

[gusty mirage]

I woke up from my nap. Is it time?

[silent tinsel]

When it says its updated to 9.0.5, does that mean its updated?

[deep island]

So will i want to hold flag for 30s to line it up with vendetta every time?

[ionic fox]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5v1WMGa1MUhSbua9ZhFfPi

[blazing arrow]

bro i cant decide doomblade or zold reeee

[dusky pebble]

same

[ancient sonnet]

yeah 210 doomblade outsimming 235 zoldyck for me thats kinda wild

[balmy condor]

kinda expected*

[ancient sonnet]

cracked

[misty holly]

Been using Zold, switching to doomblade today myself.

[ancient sonnet]

+900 dps from 9.0 to 9.0.5 we really do be living in a good timeline

[dire spoke]

I wanna sim in 905 too

[dusky pebble]

sounds like doomblade to me

[misty holly]

After missing time on 3 Sanguin Depths in a row yesterday I want a legendary that does something on last boss =p

[ancient sonnet]

raidbots is up to date

[blazing arrow]

doomblade it is

[eternal wave]

I know the disclaimer on top of Raidbots says it still doesn't sim 9.0.5, but my DPS has increased by hundreds since last - is it just a flat lie?

[split veldt]

refresh

[jade coral]

anyone know if blindside isn't worth for ST?

[eternal wave]

Have

10 seconds ago

[stoic needle]

it sims part of 9.0.5. there's a few things it hasn't added yet like the envenom fix

[eternal wave]

Ah ait

Cheers!

[balmy condor]

It'll update soon

[spice spire]

It should still be best in slot

[stoic needle]

depending on your haste EP can be better

trust the sim

[balmy condor]

I got 9.0.5 on mine

[spice spire]

So I’m unsure why you’d sim that way.

[ancient sonnet]

hmm +200 for being venthyr. but thats also assuming having all of the soulbinds, dno if i wanna swap

[balmy condor]

very doubtful btw

[dire spoke]

seems like topgear isn't 905 yet, quicksim does it

[spice spire]

Yeah haste would have to be like 30+%

[plain thistle]

yes, its live

[misty holly]

does high haste or low haste make EP better? Since I use EP regardless figure I should maximize my stats for that.

[spice spire]

Which is unattainable

[eternal wave]

Guess I'm just having a weird visual bug or w/e then

Cool cool time to play around

[stoic needle]

you dont really maximize your stats around EP

[balmy condor]

nah like even with 35% haste on a 229 character blindside still smashes EP

[spice spire]

The more you can keep it up, the better it is

But also yeah

Oh real shit? Damn

[plain jewel]

is +200 dps for fae, without changing anything normal? lol

[spice spire]

Ye

[stoic needle]

that's CTTC and the stat buffs

[ancient sonnet]

i went up 700 for NF with 905 changes and +900 if i swap venthyr

[balmy condor]

EP currently should never be a pick for single target optimally

[stoic needle]

ok yeah you're right it's a lot less for me

lol

[balmy condor]

unless your character is like unicorn one in a billion

with some fucked stats

[pliant sorrel]

I want to go home and sim

[jade coral]

why it seems to be simming higher for me - let me run it again to make sure nothings off

[misty holly]

Maybe Flagillation being buffed by EP is putting it over the top?

[stoic needle]

were you accidentially simming in dungeon slice?

[balmy condor]

the free cp during flag windows is already enough to counteract that tbh

[ancient sonnet]

how fast can one get to fully unlocked nadija

[static wadi]

Btw is the myth true that Assa is outperforming outlaw in ST?

[balmy condor]

if you pump hard, like 1-2 days

[echo cargo]

Simming telling me to use double Sinful enchant 👀

[jade coral]

oh I had it on light movement lol

[ancient sonnet]

i have to work so theres no way i can pump

[balmy condor]

yes, very much so

[jade coral]

I guess that makes a difference ?

[rough agate]

I did it within this last week without try harding much so

[stoic needle]

myth

[ancient sonnet]

might just take the dps loss for a few days for the future gainz

[stoic needle]

nadjia with double potency isn't terrible either

[misty holly]

that is strange. I would think movement hurts EP more than blindside.

with EP you need to stick for 4 seconds. with blindside you can move in and out and still get it

[dim temple]

US life now?

[wide ridge]

guys I got it!!! finally.. it's this one right?

[celest ruin]

wtf are sims bugged or something

[wide ridge]

........

[celest ruin]

my dps just increased by 1.2k

[silent tinsel]

wait

[spice spire]

Tilt lmao

[rapid mirage]

trying to decide if I want to swap to Venth for my rogue because we dont have a venth in our group for M+ or be greedy and go NF or Bone boi (Currently Kyrian) thoughts? I play both Outlaw and Sin and I focus on M+

[silent tinsel]

isnt that the wrong bottle?

[spice spire]

It is

[wide ridge]

yep

[spice spire]

Venthyr is bis so if you don’t have one , just do that.

[stoic needle]

OOZE GAAAAANG

[wide ridge]

how good is that shit tho

garbage right

[pulsar sluice]

man i feel my sim is low, 6.3k 190 doom

[stoic needle]

infinitely divisible ooze is the most sin trinket

[stoic needle]

it's not bad at all

but its not a phial ofc

[wide ridge]

better than 213 chanis you think

jeez so many people simming 😡

[stoic needle]

definitely better than 213 chain

[lament vale]

its all oshosi simming his mastery sets

[subtle tundra]

ah yes i was wondering why i was simming weirdly, count the odds isnt that good on assa is it

[stoic needle]

ooze is 5th bis trinket

[rapid mirage]

Thanks! swapping it and farming 15s all week

[dire spoke]

why does my snd not auto refresh

[wide ridge]

Pog moment

[silent tinsel]

Should you sim talents first, then stuff like sockets and enchants?

[split veldt]

just killed torgast boss and got no soul ash

[spice spire]

9.0.5 is off to a great start

[lament vale]

the shades one ? same thing happened to me

[stoic needle]

arguably 4th bis because sheet music is absolute trash garbage

and IQD is a bit inconsistnet

[balmy condor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2NHnjwEo3beXX9qDCcoS2M

bruh how is this legal

[wide ridge]

ilysm oshosi

[shy dust]

yo whispyr

hook a brother up with a sim

[prisma yoke]

+686 nice one

[stoic needle]

ooze gang we out here

[dire spoke]

@balmy condor what makes snd refresh

[spice spire]

Started from the bottom now we here

[spice spire]

Envenom

[balmy condor]

envenom when snd is already up

[dire spoke]

okay mine doesn't

[ancient sonnet]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2ZMU6YPQqoe3LNFgN87RPR from 5500 last week what the actual meme

[prisma yoke]

[pulsar sluice]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nGrtxorht5f8iDXvZ9zdNK

how yall pulling numbahs like that

[brittle pawn]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kN3NTKhKeJKqVTE4QbioLP 😮

[celest ruin]

lmao 145 lashing scars, no gem on neck

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tGWvFAmRNcBM3wtvp9nn2a

[solid vapor]

Hell yea mort is up for doom!

[spice spire]

That’s illegal

[naive rock]

Why is my sin sim so low?

[spice spire]

Cleave add but still

[celest ruin]

OH RIGHT

[naive rock]

im full 226 gear but the lego

[spice spire]

Do you have Doomblade?

[manic harness]

Yeah idk why but yall are simmimh lime 500 higher than me

[naive rock]

Yea

[celest ruin]

no wonder my sims got all crazy

[manic harness]

Bout to craft DB rn

[stoic needle]

[celest ruin]

its not patchwerk

[limber lion]

Yeah don't get baited by cleave boys

[celest ruin]

[dusky vault]

heyo perfect timing

[solar flicker]

man im a boomer

[silent tinsel]

Wehn is blood mallet updated?

[limber lion]

I just simmed a 220 phial and it's literally +78 dps for me

Fuck me

[balmy condor]

already is I believe

[solar flicker]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aPVzQ1DbyBQBCEcExxC37C actually telling me to go DS now whisp

[balmy condor]

bloodmallet is trolling tho imo

[stoic needle]

NA plaguefall spam group wya

[solar flicker]

it was not a meme

[balmy condor]

yeah that's normal

[silent tinsel]

It still has venth soulbinds low

[balmy condor]

venth soulbinds are low

[agile geode]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tXm6pYA3bhAVYn2qaaXdR1

[balmy condor]

it's the cov + lashing

mostly lashing

[agile geode]

10 min ago was 6.1

lel

[naive rock]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/e3hLWHuPYkGWxd785qFno9

[limber lion]

Can anyone give me the string for 226 phial

[naive rock]

no idea why my sims are so low

[spare flame]

Has anyone tried assa on mythic council?

[balmy condor]

honestly I think any heroic geared venthyr with decent stats would be trolling to not go deeper

[plain thistle]

trinket2=",id=178771,bonus_id=7214/6652/1501/5884/6646"

[balmy condor]

your soulbind and talents are fucked homie

[subtle tundra]

"no idea" you dont have full soulbind, play wrong talent(s), extremely shit trinkets

[safe canopy]

i feel bad for you

i have the same trinket set up

i hate it

[lean fossil]

@balmy condor i tried deeper last night and it was rough, heres to hoping it will feel better now

[strange python]

is it better for 2 potency off nadija or dauntless duelist for raid?

[spice spire]

Master poisoner?

[limber lion]

❤️

[naive rock]

What do you take row 1 now? ep?

[balmy condor]

blindside

[naive rock]

ooo really

[balmy condor]

you haven't taken master poisoner since legion dude

where have you been

[rough agate]

kek

[naive rock]

playing outlaw xd

[bold hearth]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7yvs9nYpmas575HMPZCZ2g

[ancient sonnet]

its not too bad tbh but yeah i getcha

[stoic needle]

i love the way sin feels with deeper

[limber lion]

elite dagger 😩

[wary ice]

MP isnt the look, and your sims arent checking the last row of your soulbinds.

just off the cuff

[lean fossil]

@stoic needle how much crit and haste do you have?

[naive rock]

Yea I dont have those dunno if I can get before raid tonight

[coral imp]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pfU55CZoxjZLdSdgLu6XnB

[stoic needle]

the speed of the spec ebbs and flows with thrill seeker and flag

i enjoy it

[silent tinsel]

Lashing scars clearly not updated on bloodmallet

[barren moth]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/d6zLeTMtRH3fug4H2k9Mhw

anyone tell me how i can reach the 6.8k dps you guys are reaching?

[solar flicker]

damn i need to see my sim with r4 doom

[limber lion]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hPYAj1Ls98dMa7VC4W6cjN

[solar flicker]

will i be the 7ker

[dim temple]

Seem night Fay is still best?

[bold hearth]

breh you already have a 226 lashing

[balmy condor]

I have a 7.1k sim but it ain't mine

[clever niche]

best name there

[balmy condor]

[limber lion]

Nah I'm cheating. I only have 200

[worn path]

I got mine from a calling right after I switched

[balmy condor]

!bis

[limber lion]

Get fucked

[balmy condor]

damn the role reversal

[fluid moth]

so is the venthry bis still true or was it a myth?

[worn path]

Kekw

[balmy condor]

may I humbly offer you, a crumb of pin

[stoic needle]

the venthyr sin myth

[spice spire]

That’s definitely going in the screenshot folder

[rough agate]

Isnt it funny though we all sim with windfury yet I doubt many actually have one in raid

[dire spoke]

is the snd refresh a passive?

[rough agate]

yeah

[balmy condor]

yes

[boreal kettle]

i dont think windfury is that major for us tho?

[rough agate]

yeah its not

[balmy condor]

its about 4%

[dire spoke]

is that locked behind onlyfans sub or

[frozen karma]

like 150 dps for me

[naive rock]

@balmy condor ok changing talents upped my sim to 6600

[balmy condor]

aren't you EU

[dire spoke]

omg

[balmy condor]

I'm starting to think you're not trolling

and that scares me

[dire spoke]

don't tell me

its 905

[balmy condor]

[dim temple]

Shiiiit ,, with Doomblade and Ventyr its +200 for me

[spice spire]

Bro

[dire spoke]

I'm looking through all the shit

[spice spire]

Lmao

[balmy condor]

my mans literally never read a patch note in his life

[dire spoke]

like an idiot

[strange python]

why is it still old tooltip for doomblade tho ?

[dire spoke]

fuck you this toon is my alt

[solar flicker]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pDTs2juHFs2nY3hWiYA46g wait i did hit 7k with doomblade @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

what's the tooltip say?

[barren moth]

@balmy condor the Bloodmallet is reccomending Niya - WPS - Maim - Niya's Toools Poision? isnt Burrs stronger with just WPS?

[balmy condor]

bloodmallet uses casting patchwerk for some odd reason

[stoic needle]

because they sim with jank ass casting patchwerk

[strange python]

i mean at raidbots, the simms says 30% bleed dmg it should be 45%

[naive rock]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rHbkEPArC75oQhZAM7faDC

I must be 2 low of haste atm

[barren moth]

@balmy condor ah k so the current Conduit to go for NF is just WPS then not maim?

[balmy condor]

oh yeah, raidbots tooltips pull from wowhead, there's like a 0% chance wowhead updated everything this early into the patch

[dim shoal]

@balmy condor according to quick sim rotation its worth holding flag for 30 sec?

[balmy condor]

for fae, burrs and wps, yes

[balmy condor]

yes

[frozen karma]

I need 1 month of soul until I can flex with doomblade

[balmy condor]

if you don't miss a cast of flag, you sync with vendetta

[frozen karma]

[balmy condor]

which imo

is the fucking dumbest shit we've ever put into the sim

[onyx wind]

yo guys is it a myth that loch ness monster exists?

[dim shoal]

wait a sec

[balmy condor]

cause there's no way someone does that on prog, or even on rekill

[dim shoal]

lol

So it would be wiser to just use on cd on prog? cause no idea of kill time

[balmy condor]

yes

[stoic needle]

seems like a parse run strat

[balmy condor]

basically the rule is if the fight is <4:30, you sync, if it's >5:00 you cast on cd

[stoic needle]

where you know the timers exactly

[pulsar sluice]

hmm i might playdoom in inverva today

[coral imp]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qeJTCgoursytxcKNrYTAoJ

[balmy condor]

better wording

[pliant apex]

just saw pins, does zoldyck become a non worthy lego right now?

[ancient sonnet]

swapped to venthyr night before the patch and do my first 3 wq's and get this. thankers mr blizzardo

[strange python]

wasnt it more

[balmy condor]

read again

[dim shoal]

ty @balmy condor

[rough agate]

yeah pretty sure you auto get it if you had a dif covs

[ancient sonnet]

oh thats pog then

[little moth]

sin

[balmy condor]

bruh that's hella good

[little moth]

and got a dagger in vault finally

esketit

too bad we're on SLG prog

[polar cape]

weapon what are those tbh

[ancient sonnet]

that thing you do rbgs to get

[brittle pawn]

dont do torghast

people arent getting ash

[somber bison]

so doomblade or dashing hmm

[wanton path]

yeh got ash from one but not the other

[pliant apex]

with CTTC, i basically cast slice on opener and then forget about it for rest of fight? easy version, or is there more to it?
\

[frozen karma]

pretty much it, unless there's some huge intermission where you can't attack boss

[ancient sonnet]

ngl i cant wait to have cttc back, those were the gog damb days

[frozen karma]

or anything else

[balmy condor]

Yup, obviously if it drops you have to recast, but if you have 100% uptime like on hungering or inerva or sludge, should never be a problem

[spice spire]

I deadass don’t remember, but if you Do a 1 CP SnD you can only go to a max time of the 1 CP right?

[drifting light]

DOOOOOOOOMMMM

[stoic needle]

it can go up to 5 or 6cp duration

[spice spire]

O

[stoic needle]

and yet somehow starting with garotte > slice isn't a gain

[spice spire]

6 if you have DS obvi

Taking two of the GCDs of MA, I guess?

[harsh harbor]

Seems even with the conduit, flag hits once?

[stoic needle]

nah i meant with subterfuge

[spice spire]

Oh

That is strange

[dark token]

ah it feels sooooooo nice to play sin again

current iteration feels pretty smooth

[tame crypt]

whens the us servers up?

[dark token]

up now

[spice spire]

Rn

[balmy condor]

30 minutes ago

[north basin]

show me these crazy 7k live sims!

[icy crater]

rekt

[limber lion]

10 more hours for the EU boys

[tame crypt]

ahh thanks,

[stoic needle]

74k for 235 gloves

[tame crypt]

gnna see if any one streaming

[balmy condor]

[balmy condor]

I will be later tonight

[limber lion]

Imagine not buying the gloves like a week prior

[balmy condor]

I bought gloves yesterday for 29k

[limber lion]

Yeh exactly

[spice spire]

Oof

[stoic needle]

they've been 70k+ for weeks

[limber lion]

Oshiboy are you drunk

oh

rip

[stoic needle]

bruh i've been watching the prices

[limber lion]

:''(

[icy crater]

225 was like 13k for me

[spice spire]

Warm rest accord XD

[stoic needle]

hmm

[strange python]

Oh snap wait we can roll DS instead of Vigor now?

[balmy condor]

I will not be personally, but the sim does depending on fight time and I hate it

[icy crater]

or some shit

[stoic needle]

maybe i should just transfer to a52 and buy them

[spice spire]

Wyrmcrest even but yeah

Not now

They’ve spiked

[serene basin]

guess you start with it

[strange python]

anything im missing here? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/Q3B62As4Khd1DiQdpWD3a

[frozen karma]

With DS and without lust, I'm out of energy to cast garrote on pull (Muti - SnD - Muti - and then gotta way a bit for garrote)

feels weird

[balmy condor]

No

[stoic needle]

they're still 30k on a52

[strange python]

except 190 legendary

[balmy condor]

Not sure if I’m allowed to

[limber lion]

Yeh there's been some @maiden gust

[strange python]

is deeper strat only better with flag?

[ancient sonnet]

nah i was simming better with DS even as night fae

[vast pond]

Same

[balmy condor]

No, but you need a super high ilvl

[ancient sonnet]

but then sim urself : )

[vast pond]

About a 75 dps increase if I use DS as NF

[tribal nest]

fuck yes mortregar is up

I can get doomblade

[strange python]

my only piece under 226 is my doomblade legendary

guess i need more haste

[stoic needle]

what do we think about going mut > rup > gar > mut > snd

because of energy

[strange python]

Yeah it's a 50 dps increase for me to run DS

I'll try it tonight

[pliant apex]

is that a new opener now??

[stoic needle]

i don't know

[keen spruce]

can't craft doomblade until they fix torghast. but w/o it deeper strat is simming way higher than vigor

[balmy condor]

No

[stoic needle]

just theorycrafting

[keen spruce]

who woulda thunk it

[ancient sonnet]

so what would the opener be now?

[balmy condor]

Extra slice autos > 1 tick of rupture

[stoic needle]

why SND first still even though it doesnt' give energy anymore

but that energy

[keen spruce]

your white damage is your highest damage

[balmy condor]

#assassination message

[keen spruce]

buffing white damage = more damage

[pliant apex]

shouldnt it be same ? atleast with MA

[little moth]

bigish

[soft finch]

with deeper do we finish w 4 cp if shiv isnt up? or mut again

[ancient sonnet]

well you wont open with your flag now surely?

[balmy condor]

Finish on 5

[soft finch]

thanks

[ancient sonnet]

where before it was open with sepsis

[balmy condor]

Also please for fucks sake read the pins

[pliant apex]

@balmy condor DS to be used over Vigor now for pve whisp?

[balmy condor]

Please

Please god

Read the fucking pins

[icy crater]

[odd bloom]

[dim shoal]

Whispyr POV

[pliant apex]

erm my question was diff from pins i think, im asking if DS is better now since couple pros mentioned it as dps increase rn , sorry if thats in pins too

[keen spruce]

it's siming higher for me

but you should sim your self

as usual

[balmy condor]

#assassination message

[kind talon]

have the openers changed?

jkjk

[shy dust]

Whispyr when is sim done

[balmy condor]

I’m doing gems

[eternal wave]

Wait is Venthyr BiS now? :)))

[balmy condor]

For completion

[shy dust]

[spice spire]

DS can also mean dashing scoundrel

[keen spruce]

hey whispyr what's the new opener in .5?

[spice spire]

[eternal wave]

Shill is a yoke

[pliant apex]

oh ok so DS only for super high geared people , got it ty

[balmy condor]

Can also mean “dis sack” so eat it

[spice spire]

I’m waiting

[icy crater]

the yokes have a time and place

and in certain contexts they are hilarious

[spice spire]

What’s a joke?

[frozen karma]

my life

[spice spire]

Oh fuck

[icy crater]

But have you have heard the same joke 100 times a day for 100 days

[pliant apex]

heheh

[spice spire]

Too relatable

[eternal wave]

Can't pronounce joke with my overly Swedish tongue

[icy crater]

you have to try really hard

[eternal wave]

So no idea

[icy crater]

to make it funny

[spice spire]

Oh that’s fair

[icy crater]

jokes scale down in funniness

[spice spire]

Did

[prisma yoke]

maybe your parses? sorry, i had to do it

[spice spire]

Did you just scale?

[spice spire]

You’re not wrong

[eternal wave]

I get it I get it I'll get back to chewing on sand while waiting for some interesting streams

[tulip tide]

so what, any reason i shouldn't be crafting doomblade for tomorrow (EU) ? and that as haste/crit gloves?

[prisma yoke]

diminishing returns on funniness of jokes

[balmy condor]

no, yes

[ancient sonnet]

wish i could make better than 210's but fuck it. still poggers

[pliant apex]

why you say no and yes whisp, confused now

[eternal wave]

Only have enough Ash for either 1 rank 4, or 1 rank 3 and 1 rank 2

Thinking 225 Zoldyck and 210 Doomblades

[ancient sonnet]

if you play outlaw for dungeons id say other way around but thats me

[spice spire]

I’d probably swap those chief

[eternal wave]

Nah mainly raid

[stoic needle]

still probably the other way around

[spice spire]

Doomblade is GIGA rn

[eternal wave]

Thinking SLG and Sire are the only fights that matter though

[keen spruce]

Can you put legendaries in raidbots gear compare? can't find doomblade

[eternal wave]

And for Sire I deffo want execute, and SLG I go Outlaw anyway

[slow marsh]

WELCOME TO ALL YOU REFUGEES

[rare blaze]

Those of you who switched to Venth, do you know if Renown only can drop off a "Normal" boss, if it didn't drop off a "Heroic" or "Mythic" boss?

[stoic needle]

all of the lockouts are separate

[worldly sedge]

Liking the look of Doomblade, has anybody done any numbers on Dustwalker's yet?

[keen spruce]

@rare blaze I farmed 34 renown in 2 days. LFR, normal, heroic full clears. Covenant campaign. 12 +15s. World boss

[rare blaze]

Sweet, so worth doing all, got it.

[slow marsh]

Dusk not worth for any fight

[rare blaze]

Sweet, thank you!

[keen spruce]

Can you put legendaries in raidbots gear compare? can't find doomblade

[worldly sedge]

Thanks

[stoic needle]

top gear

[tall shadow]

whats the move for pvp for cove now

[slow marsh]

Doesn't line up for pillars which would be the biggest use

[rare blaze]

I almost did the World Boss, and realized I should wait.

Conduit doesn't switch, right?

[icy crater]

isn't it gear compare then you select the power off the white item?

[worldly sedge]

Yeah was wondering if it becomes <1 min

[ancient sonnet]

see this is cool but imagine having a job

[slow marsh]

Lashing always

[spice spire]

That’s probably a #pvp question. But venthyr?

[slow marsh]

Venthyr for pvp

[stoic needle]

you can do it that way, but top gear is faster

[balmy condor]

try top gear instead

[spice spire]

Necro? Honestly unsure

[icy crater]

I see.

[slow marsh]

Flag hits like a diesel

[keen spruce]

@balmy condor I don't have the item

[balmy condor]

okay, so then use top gear

[dim shoal]

You can add it in top gear

[worldly sedge]

Top gear lets you simulate as having all legos

[icy fjord]

!GUIDE

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[worldly sedge]

THere's an option at the top of the page

[keen spruce]

oh there's a thing

pog ty

[slow marsh]

Doubt

[spice spire]

!bis

[dim shoal]

@balmy condor Is there a reason why quick sim tells me to mut->snd->mut and other times mut->rup->mut (opener)?

[slow marsh]

They have to learn how to

[dim shoal]

sry if thats a noob ass question 😄

[icy crater]

!bis

[balmy condor]

uh... you would only mut rup mut from stealth if you don't have snd up

[icy crater]

!newsecretbis

[unkempt prism]

how are we feeling about sin after the changes today?

[spice spire]

We hate buffs, don’t change spec

[slow marsh]

@balmy condor how are you today bro

[balmy condor]

I'm feeling good

[dim shoal]

you mean youd only mut snd mut if you dont have snd up right?

[balmy condor]

yeah sorry

[dim shoal]

kk

[balmy condor]

if you sim like dungeonslice, and it mut->rup->mut

then you had snd before

[slow marsh]

Good to hear. Just making sure you don't go crazy xD

[balmy condor]

most likely from mfd

[slow marsh]

The buzz is exciting at least

[balmy condor]

or the previous back

[balmy condor]

I don't go crazy on patch days, I just get angry when people suddenly show up and ask a question that has been in the pins since june of 2003

[slow marsh]

I'm stuck at work right now but I'll be on in a couple hours

[rough agate]

mut>snd>mut>gar>flag>rup>vend, is that the correct way as my sample log is telling me?

[balmy condor]

its especially frustrating on patch days

[oblique flare]

does sin scale?

[balmy condor]

when there's a million other questions

[slow marsh]

That's mostly what I'm referring to lol. Same questions 5/ billion times

[balmy condor]

and then you got the people coming in like

HEY GUYS DO WE GO ALACRITY

[oblique flare]

venthyr the go?

[keen spruce]

is the mut opener instead of ambush because of doomblade i'm assuming?

[heady crown]

i has question...

Lol

[echo cargo]

@balmy condor do we use two daggers?

[balmy condor]

no, it's because ambush sucks

[trim zinc]

dont u vendetta before flag?

[rough agate]

idk every sample ability log is telling me otherwise

[slow marsh]

Just need to make a huge check the pins to spam

[rough agate]

I know its not perf but

[slow marsh]

Instead of the little one

[keen spruce]

but it does double the damage for the same energy. im confus

[balmy condor]

yeah, the sims still vend afterwards

I doubt it's correct

but I revert back to the usual stance of "openers don't matter"

[keen spruce]

yeah mostly just curious

[rough agate]

ok so just gar>rup>cds>flag

[balmy condor]

yeah that's fine

[oblique flare]

venthyr or nf guys?

[jagged bobcat]

why am i hearing necro is better than venth now

[slow marsh]

For sure vendetta before flag.... It hits decently hard

[rough agate]

aight thanks

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-typing-office-speed-typing-doggo-gif-12515120

whysper rn

[oblique flare]

reading pins or asking questions that are anwered in the pin?

[polar cape]

So fluffy

[heady crown]

Lol

[trim zinc]

more poison procs cuz its both weapons, more chance to proc blind side, and u have a change to build 4 cp isntead of 3

[slow marsh]

I wonder if it's doing a weird energy optimization thing as if flag isn't free

[keen spruce]

ah ty

[balmy condor]

well I can tell you that opener logic hasn't been changed going into 9.0.5

[tribal marlin]

for what I tested about the oponer it wasn't a win or loss Flag'in after Vend or before

[balmy condor]

I took a brief look at it, as did koji I believe

and there isn't anything major to be had

[slow marsh]

Yeah I remember the big opener arguement a few days ago

[south nest]

does anyone know a good waek aura for pandemic? i find only outdated wa

[balmy condor]

idk bout other packs, but all of my stuff works: https://wago.io/p/Whispyr

[slow marsh]

I also remember openers literally not mattering before 905. Like 10dps diff

[boreal flame]

you mean dynamic in terms of original duration*.3?

[rough agate]

it also ambushes after vanish so

[south nest]

thanks 😄

[balmy condor]

that's from blindside

[rough agate]

ah

[slow marsh]

Back to work for me but I'll be back !!

[balmy condor]

the sim casts ambush if MA has no time remaining, or a blindside cast, and that's it

[oak arrow]

Still need to upgrade my gloves and get better legs, but looking good so far with Doomblade.

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/raitwgnDKARpp8g3MY6d6r

[tribal marlin]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cAbjqpcqspmwuM1iFoaUbo pog sim

[rough agate]

is the old standard of shiving even if you hit max cp still true

[balmy condor]

yes

[boreal flame]

Accidentally made gloves with haste/vers... hope it's not a big deal

[rough agate]

ty ty

[tribal marlin]

it's fine and better for pvp

[oak arrow]

Can i have your gear lol

[icy crater]

I made mine with haste vers on purpose

so I could use for pvp

[kindred crescent]

whats a good way to get renown?

[ancient sonnet]

just do everything in terms of cov quests, do all raid difficulties, then m+ after that i believe

[worldly sedge]

I'd say dungeons are an easy source of renown imo :) not sure if it's optimal

[proper halo]

anybody else stuck on comon ground quest after switching covenant?

[dim shoal]

yep, had the issue aswell, thank god i swapped on sunday cause it took gm 2 days to fix that bug

no soulbinds for you i guess KEKW

[proper halo]

god i hope it gets done today or ill cry

[worldly sedge]

I've only just joined this server I'm just catching up on everything#

[royal halo]

Wait, so does ambush literally have no purpose now?

[dim shoal]

If blindside procs you use ambush

[rough agate]

blindside procs

[worldly sedge]

Sucks that duskblade doesn't line up with Sludge, but maybe it'll line up in bosses for 9.1 :)

[hushed marlin]

So doomblade for pve?

[dim shoal]

yesy

[limber lion]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2qJt3s198rLvYZ8s8ExLjK
😦

Gimme your weapon pls 🙂

[dim shoal]

i wrote 2 tickets. First one responded after 16 hours saying i should check out wowhead, 2nd ticket after like 36 hours fixing my acc

I hope the best

[worldly sedge]

GMs were far cooler when they whispered you in game haha

[balmy condor]

I had the first saying I should check wowhead, the second saying that I should do a quest I didn't have, and the third then fixed it

[eternal wave]

You are all making me horribly nervous for my Venthyr switch

[royal halo]

Wow its kinda dumb that you dont use ambush over mutilate in stealth

They really need to buff Ambush to be a worth ability.

[worldly sedge]

don't say that they'll nerf muti T_T

[eternal wave]

Or just straight remove Ambush

[boreal flame]

So you only use it on blindside procs?

[brittle pawn]

@balmy condor what does your rupture target tracking wa do?

[dim shoal]

I heard from a guildie that you should just skip the introduction quest. Should work fine then

[eternal wave]

Fuck it you know

[dim shoal]

@eternal wave

[eternal wave]

Hmmmm

[balmy condor]

oh that was some nonsense I made for someone, should be unlisted

[eternal wave]

Might actually do the Venthyr intro on some dead alt to have the skip option then honestly, thanks! @dim shoal

[dim shoal]

The skip option is aquired anyway afaik

[rocky escarp]

would you go with DS instead of Vigor at 20% haste?

[dim shoal]

@eternal wave Just copy your character to ptr, swap covenants and try it

[eternal wave]

Rly? 😮 Might be a Night Fae only thing then, know for sure guildies haven't been able to skip that despite having a capped main

[balmy condor]

does it sim higher

[late bolt]

Was the same for me yesterday. Needed to do the daily, 3 wq in revendreth, then it fixed itself lol.

[eternal wave]

Maybe worth

Nothing better to do anyway while waiting for tomorrow lol

[silent tinsel]

5 bosses no renownlol

[cursive roost]

Is raidbots updated for 9.0.5?

[limber lion]

https://gyazo.com/866e52908ecbc7e6542e66f21ccbffe0

[dim shoal]

when you open it it should say with a big green thingy

[iron orchid]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mYTjbakqPiVTbakGkh6wT4 That's the most balanced weight I was able to achieve in a while goddamn

[pliant apex]

why are so many rogues running subterfuge on generals fight?

heroic

[limber lion]

You can keep 4 dots (garrotes/ruptures) up at the same time all the time.

[covert mesa]

Ep sims higher die me then blindside

[limber lion]

CT also sims higher for me on that fight, so I would run that as well

[pliant apex]

yes i was seeing your log specifically

[winter gale]

Americans, how does it feel? 😂

[inland heath]

soo best leggo and covenant for mythic+ ?

[limber lion]

I just noticed that I have a fuck ton of mastery on my gear. Like I have 5 pieces with mastery on them

Feels bad

[balmy condor]

link

[pulsar sluice]

how is that ammy

i just got it in gv

[winter gale]

Best stats are?

[rough agate]

my gear is everywhere

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/giAhmGVe1dd8epAJHSAZyM

[balmy condor]

...in the pins

[limber lion]

It's decent but definitely not the best. Mastery is awful.

[pliant apex]

if i just run MA on generals, will it make a big difference , as a simple 70-80 percentile parser?

[pulsar sluice]

im rocking a 220 vers/haste ammy and my sim is telling me to go for the mastery so im like ...👀

[winter gale]

I atm, as NF prior to 9.0.5. sim 6.1k

[limber lion]

Yes it does make a difference especially if you run Zoldyck as well. But if you're Doomblade gang, go ahead.

[winter gale]

I guess ill do good with 225ilvl

[pliant apex]

is it an okay thing to be doomblade on generals? or you suggest zold on generals and den still?

[winter gale]

@pliant apex same q here too, Im starting Generals progress tommorow.

[limber lion]

I would personally sim the fight, but probably leaning toward EP/Subt/CT and Zoldyck on Generals, BS/MA/PB and Doomblade on Sire

Mythic Sire specifically would be the same but with Zoldyck

[pliant apex]

yea i havent gotten aotc yet lol

[dim shoal]

How do you sim specific fights? Like do you sim addcleave 1 boss for slg hc?

[limber lion]

I most definitely would not run Doomblade on Mythic SLG if you're allowed to even play Assa on that fight.

[split grail]

Dumb question: But what ability refreshing S&D now? I remember reading something but don't recall what

[pliant apex]

should i just run zold on heroic den for now? whats the general consensus with den heroic

[balmy condor]

passive called cut to the chase

[limber lion]

The last execute is so strong and there's so many add spawns throughtout the fight that Doomblade is just awful on it compared to Zoldy

[polar cape]

Long execute = zoldyck

[split grail]

ty

[pliant apex]

thanks, ill stick with zold for den

[ionic fox]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fkH3GsfeEDs4SiCCU5rU5Q anyone over 7k without 233 weaps?

[simple stratus]

seems like dashing scoundrel isnt far behind doomblade and gives energy regen, might be good if you have low haste

[pliant apex]

@limber lion does your rotation/opener change with Subt instead of MA?

[limber lion]

Yes you open with garrote when using Subt

[pliant apex]

how do you keep focus up on cleave add ? do you use an addon?

[limber lion]

Sorry, I don't think I understand the question

What do you mean by focus?

[echo cargo]

Sin feels so good as Venth + fixes / changes

[limber lion]

I can't wait. 9 more hours for us EU frogs

[echo cargo]

Just jumped in a Heroic Sire pug to feelytest

literally #1 boss damage

[silent tinsel]

Where are my lfr renown

[echo cargo]

feels so surreal lmao

[silent tinsel]

0/6

[iron orchid]

At least we can run sims

I'm just waiting to once again get disappointed by a vault with no weapon x)

[pliant apex]

how do you keep up dots on other add besides boss, how do you track dots like garrote and rupture on add to be cleaved?

i often miss or delay dots

[eternal wave]

^clean nameplates, in my case

[iron orchid]

usually you setup your nameplates as you prefer

[nimble tartan]

other then venth change and envenom pandemic fix was there anything else

[ionic fox]

!Pins

[pliant apex]

i dont know what that is , or how its done, can you please elaborate

[limber lion]

I know right, that's all I've been doing for the past hour or so. Hyping myself up for failure

[nimble tartan]

mm ok ill prob stick to outlaw for denath prog then namaste

[iron orchid]

You can edit the health bar displays of adds and bosses, in order to show dot effects, debuffs cc on those target

[limber lion]

I just use nameplates for that, I don't have weak auras or anything else for that.

[iron orchid]

you can display timers and all

[pliant apex]

is nameplates an addon?

[iron orchid]

elvui ones are customisable

[ancient peak]

I'm swapping to assa today and I'm not seeing shiv used by any of the top parses

[boreal flame]

for the love of God, use 'plater' 🙂

[ancient peak]

is that just a bug? or are you actually not supposed to use shiv

[iron orchid]

It's the name of mob health bars

[balmy condor]

can't track it through casts, look through damage done

[iron orchid]

plater is often the go to

[balmy condor]

blizzard can't code a combat log for shit

[ancient peak]

ah okay ty

[pliant apex]

how do you set up nameplates before a fight? really new to this, is there another place i should be asking this if too noob a question?

[thorny lion]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[iron orchid]

The easy way is to get an addon such as "Plater nameplates", which is designed by the same people who make details

[naive rock]

CRIT IS SIMIMING HIGHER THAN HASTE FOR ME ATM AND IM AT 17% HASTE

[queen galleon]

@balmy condor any idea on how much simulationcraft's sim are accurate ?

[balmy condor]

thanks for sharing I guess

[iron orchid]

then you can import a profile already setup, Whispyr's one for example

[balmy condor]

very

[queen galleon]

might have to swap to venthyr then

[high wagon]

So if we're not killing mythic SLG should we put doomblade in worst gear slot?

[queen galleon]

[serene basin]

Does flag give CP?

[twilit python]

with new flag, do you do mut>snd>mut>gar>flag then rup or rup then flag

[pliant apex]

oh ill do it, downloading plater now

[balmy condor]

bruh I just checked my email and literally have 27 requests to access the bis list

[pliant apex]

then ill ask whisp how to set it up, ok whisp?

[nimble tartan]

!bis

[balmy condor]

my profile is on wago

you can just do that

[pliant apex]

ok

[manic harness]

crit or mastery for 2nd secondary for doomblade?

[wanton path]

so with the envenom pandemic timer thing im guessing you want to pool a bit of energy before envenoming to be able to do a second one within the window?

[indigo mulch]

Crit..? 😒

[icy crater]

That's why I always make copies of shit I never want to go bye bye

[indigo mulch]

Mastery is still pretty poop.

haste/crit or vers i belive it should be.

I might be wrong

[fast pine]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[manic harness]

Vers..?

surprising

[indigo mulch]

Why? 😮

Vers is boring af but its a good stat 😄

[manic harness]

I just thought we'd scale better with Crit but okay

OH SHIT

I DIDNT SAY THAT WORD

I DIDNT

WHISPYR PLS NO BAN

[limber swallow]

you're done in this town.

[indigo mulch]

Get the pitchfork friends. We have one of those.

[pulsar sluice]

bruh fuck my gv man

[simple stratus]

what slot for zoldycks?

[limber lion]

Pants generally

[indigo mulch]

On your kneecaps

[pulsar sluice]

sim telling me hunts mastery amulet but i dont wanna

[manic harness]

@indigo mulch this is getting sexy lmao

[indigo mulch]

Wait what D:

[balmy condor]

[misty holly]

Assassination is much better today than it was last week. Sounds like scaling to me.

[blazing arrow]

[arctic cloud]

It’s been ages since I’ve made one how much ash is it for a 190 again?

[indigo mulch]

Honestly. playing without vigor seams very sad to me :c

rip regen

[manic harness]

Hmm

[gentle gyro]

1250 for a baseline legendary

[fading wigeon]

1250

[manic harness]

Haste/Crit just simmed 10 DPS higher than Haste/Vers

SOMEONE IS LYING TO ME

[arctic cloud]

Piss. I gotta wait another week for doom then

[gentle gyro]

2000 for rank 2, 3150 rank 3, 5150 rank 4

[indigo mulch]

Depends on your other stats though 😒

[pliant apex]

im at 5135 , any non torghast way of getting 15?

[simple stratus]

necro seems like a pain in the ass if you ever want to key as assas since your opener is generally 3 garrotes, then you have to do 3 spikes? so much gcd before you can aoe

[manic harness]

Yeah, if it's this close either way I may as well go with Vers in case I want to do Assassination PVP at some point

[plain jewel]

is Nadjia still the go to soulbind for a fight like huntsman?

[manic harness]

Since Sub just isn't going anywhere

[misty holly]

mission table

[pulsar sluice]

Haste > Vers = Crit > Mastery

[indigo mulch]

I mean if you wanna try sin in m+ you should prob go vers 😮 even though haste isent that good in m+

hmm, my ilvl 210 rogue sims higher on ST than my WW monk with 12 ilvl higher and good weapons :/

Rip WW.

[balmy condor]

yes

[indigo mulch]

Whispyr, if i have multiple targets with poisons up and use envenom, does it increase crit on all the target or just the main target? 😮 with dashing that is.

[grim tree]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[grim tree]

!bis

[nimble tartan]

hello gamers i havent played sin since bfa tep but i remember that toxic blading at max cp was good back then does that apply now or no

[grim tree]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[nimble tartan]

please respond

with shiv

[grim tree]

!gear

[frozen karma]

yes

@nimble tartan

[nimble tartan]

ty

[charred mango]

so is it common consensus that venth is the way to go for assasination?

[simple stratus]

yes

[charred mango]

RIP, i pre-chose necro a few days ago, ill have to swap over then

[lament mica]

PLEASE respond

[slow tulip]

bois, bis soulbind for ST venthyr is nadya right ?

[thorn turtle]

Looks like raid in nadjia, m+ theotar

Is*

[slow tulip]

thx a lot mate 😛

[fleet whale]

you can still go necro and be fine

venthyr is good but it's not like mandatory

[slow tulip]

i see

im playing only the raid this tier

we are on sludge atm

so venthyr should work fine i believe

[gentle gyro]

I did it boys, i actually got a dungeon invite

[indigo mulch]

I'm curious to see the sin rogue logs on sludge boi

[gentle gyro]

first in like 3 days

[slow tulip]

pog 😮

[simple kettle]

is statsweights bugged? coz its says Mastery for me and is kind of weirdo

[thorn turtle]

I’m excited to push as assa after getting ksm

[silent tinsel]

8/10 no renown

[stoic needle]

generally those bone spikes will give you more CP than FOK or mutilate so that's not really a bad thing

[kind veldt]

@simple kettle use top gear, stat weight been a little suspect

[stoic needle]

imagine not getting ksm as sin

[thorn turtle]

I got it as sin tho

[stoic needle]

hell yeah