assassination

[onyx wind]

No, im not

[wide ridge]

show me the way master

[onyx wind]

it was rank1 at the time

[limber lion]

Sub 5 min means under 5 minutes.

[onyx wind]

which is like 3 months ago

I had 190 ilvl

XD

[near nacelle]

does anyone know if this is taken into account in the sims? D:

[blazing arrow]

Dont say its r1 then cause it's not.

[brittle pawn]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/mZ9tDXHVgRLChcwr#fight=13&type=damage-done&source=53

[onyx wind]

wdym

[wide ridge]

43.7k

wtf

[onyx wind]

hist% rank1

[wide ridge]

is this fuckery

6 hits also

[brittle pawn]

look at the longer wipes, too

[onyx wind]

but its 2 casts right?

[brittle pawn]

nope i dont use on pull

[limber lion]

Rank 1 is still rank 1

Even if someone else gets rank 1 a week later

[onyx wind]

HOW

43k man what

[stoic needle]

it's west of darkhaven, there's a pet battle world quest there and one of the leveling storyline quests takes you there to fight gargoyles

[limber lion]

But idk, I've always simmed Spectral Agi higher

[brittle pawn]

the lowest i see on any of the wipes is 37.5k

[stoic needle]

[wide ridge]

will check it out, thanks master oshosi

[onyx wind]

I swapped solely cause it did 0 dmg for me

[blazing arrow]

@onyx wind what's your character name

[onyx wind]

Exeo

B)

[blazing arrow]

Server?

[onyx wind]

uhh

TM

[stoic needle]

its a little clearing with a road through the middle, you get 2 herb spawns every ~3 mins or faster if there's more people. it spawns widowbloom, death blossom and nightshade at random

i just sit there while i work from home and pick herbs

[limber lion]

Wut

[stoic needle]

gives me enough agi pots for the weeek

[onyx wind]

what

[limber lion]

I just looked at it and the rank 1 is a heroic log on sub

Aren't all Shriekwing kills under 5 mins

[onyx wind]

yea but we were talking abt pot dmg

sub 5 min meant only 1 use of pot

[wide ridge]

are there hostile mobs around or na

[limber lion]

Ah okay

[stoic needle]

only 1 after you complete the leveling campaign. and you can sap it

[normal mist]

About my question like 20 mins ago about if doing dungeons to get % to rejoin a covenent works: Yes lads, it does! Gave me like 15\20%!

[limber lion]

WAIT LMAO

[brittle pawn]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Ww2kzp4hRTLyH3jY#fight=4&type=damage-done&source=158 44.5k

[limber lion]

The Korean Affli warlock dropped to #3 in All star right before the partition

So I got my rank 1 back

Lmao ez

[brittle pawn]

on shriek

does it just proc less on sin?

[limber lion]

https://gyazo.com/32e8ba7ddf5d43390d03705c4fde8781

Big

[wide ridge]

shit i have never been there then, all the places i know are crowded with shit, you wouldn't have a tomtom coord would ya

[stoic needle]

i do but i can't log in atm 😦

[limber lion]

Also NA boys

[wide ridge]

np

[limber lion]

Did you get anything good from the vault?

[brittle pawn]

maint

2.5 more hrs

[onyx wind]

Yea, it was 12% for me

[onyx wind]

Dirty PI abuser

[stoic needle]

that's definitely possible

[limber lion]

I wish

[spice spire]

[near nacelle]

does anyone know if the bleed from SBS is taken into account for doomblade on the sims?

[onyx wind]

nah doesnt proc less on sin

[stoic needle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjJurP-FfO0

[onyx wind]

i had 2-3 procs as sub

[spice spire]

It is, orfeo

[balmy condor]

Yes it does

[near nacelle]

ty

[brittle pawn]

sub's still higher apm

[onyx wind]

Does pot scale with attack power or smth?

Still u get 2x procs of me

regardless of that

I was 190 when i used phantom fire

[wide ridge]

tyvm

[timid coral]

what does "up to 3 seconds" on cttc mean? does it pick a random amount to add or is it just typical blizz tooltip nonsense?

[brittle pawn]

how hard was yours hitting?

mine is ~9k

[onyx wind]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Kc6HWL3QNanDXFxB#fight=4&type=damage-done&source=9

so like 4.5k noncrit

ig

[brittle pawn]

you dont have shadowcore oil

[limber lion]

Wait

[brittle pawn]

idk how much of a difference that makes

[limber lion]

Are the login servers still down for NA?

Or is there a queue or something

[brittle pawn]

9pm gmt

[severe steppe]

NA is still down

[lean fossil]

maintence is going on

[stoic needle]

still down

[limber lion]

Ah alright, damn

I was hoping to see some juicy 226 Phials

[stoic needle]

having shadowcore oil does make a difference

[lean fossil]

so whos going to get some juicy loot from the vault?

[limber lion]

Not me!

[stoic needle]

no loot, only stygia

[lean fossil]

@limber lion if i get one ill ss and send it to you

[pulsar sluice]

I should prob start using agi pots tbh

[iron orchid]

you have to read it as a whole, it is "by up to 3 seconds per combo point spent" which means the value depends on the amount of cp : 5cp = 15s, 4cp=12s ...

[pulsar sluice]

since im using stones now

[lean fossil]

you can use it to cry yourself to sleep with ;)

[stoic needle]

yeah

[brittle pawn]

gonna get a 226 dagger and phial, and through some 0.5 bug, be able to loot both

[blazing arrow]

For me phantom fire + stones sims higher

[wide ridge]

226 phial waiting room

[stoic needle]

[blazing arrow]

But yeah could make a diff in the damage

[severe steppe]

I've gotten two of those

[pulsar sluice]

yeah but phantom fire is rng fiesta

[wise gull]

[lean fossil]

prayge

[lament dove]

"by up to 3 seconds per combo point spent" still doesn't make sense, sometimes it just makes it 2 seconds per CP...?

[strange python]

The Anima powers for rogues are just silly

[lean fossil]

aww

[severe steppe]

I just want something other than a phial 226

[stoic needle]

i hope you step on a lego

several

[pulsar sluice]

i want a 226 dagger tbh

[strange python]

It's like blizz doesnt understand the class

[pulsar sluice]

i got 223/220

[stoic needle]

may your gaming chair be made of legos

[wise gull]

i hope you step on at least 7 lego

[iron orchid]

that's just poor tooltipping, but the understanding is fairly easy

[stoic needle]

this is what happens when your class dev gets reassigned to hearthstone

[pulsar sluice]

they are just scared of rogue being good again is all

they are tainted by the wrath days

of mut spam

[iron orchid]

I get why it is confusing as I had the same idea at first, but I've used it and it works just the way you think it does

which is straight up 3s per cp

[lament dove]

yeah, I would think so:)

[onyx wind]

Nah they are kinda hardforcing rogue being good

Atleast assa

[iron orchid]

From the pov of a non-english speaker, this looks a lot like a bad translation

[gusty mirage]

do I just take a nap until servers come up?

[iron orchid]

we get that a lot in french translation

[iron orchid]

I think so

[lean fossil]

i just want blizz to be like oprah and be like and you get a phail, you get a phail and you get a phail!

[stoic needle]

blizzard just has no idea what they're doing with class tuning

[wise gull]

i fell asleep like 4 hours ago and only slept for 2 and a half

now i cant sleep

cuz i want my vault

[onyx wind]

Atleast we can get 220 phial now

[gusty mirage]

true

[wise gull]

[onyx wind]

So it wont feel as bad

[gusty mirage]

if we can get the damn thing to drop

lol

[lament dove]

does Blizzard understand any of the classes...?:P

[onyx wind]

Maybe im lucky and get my 4th set of shoulders

[gusty mirage]

I'd like more haste mastery gear

[topaz saffron]

I'm gonna do it, I'm gonna make Doomblade 👏

[gusty mirage]

the more the better

[tight ravine]

So are you not spamming as sin

When you're doing cleave

[stoic needle]

same

[tight ravine]

It's hard to spam FoK

At 4 plus

[stoic needle]

sounds like you aren't rupturing and garotting enough

[gusty mirage]

I'm trying to trick my GV into actually giving me something useful

[stoic needle]

you basically have infinite energy at around 3 targets with full bleeds up

[stoic needle]

wdym that's bis

[tight ravine]

So opener would be garrote everyone

Then rupture everyone

[gusty mirage]

paging whispyr

[stoic needle]

yes

[gusty mirage]

osh needs a timeout

[balmy condor]

what did I do

[jagged bobcat]

anyone excited to be a vampire?

[stoic needle]

[stoic needle]

[tight ravine]

You're updating the pins and answering questions

[gusty mirage]

he's speaking mastery again

[balmy condor]

oh

so mute osh

[tight ravine]

So garrote, rupture, FoK, then tempest, then keep FoKing

[stoic needle]

[spice spire]

The word mastery is blacklisted here

[cunning basin]

no snd?

[marble ivy]

quick question, sinful/celestial or lightless force x2 for M+ content?

[jagged bobcat]

is it good to have 0 Mastery as sin

[gusty mirage]

yes

[tight ravine]

Oh oops SnD

[stoic needle]

garotte x 3/4, tempest, mfd rupture, fok to 4/5 > spread ruptures

[marble ivy]

or even, lightless/celestial

[gusty mirage]

just do sinful/celest

tbh

[stoic needle]

i like lightless tbh

lightless on fort weeks, sinful on tyrannical

[gusty mirage]

lightless is nice, but can lose value if your positioning isn't right

[marble ivy]

so the safe bet is just sinful/celestial for all content?

[gusty mirage]

yeppers

[odd flax]

Whats the stat prio for raid execute build?

[marble ivy]

lovely, cheers babes

[gusty mirage]

[stoic needle]

i mean how hard is it to stand in front of the mobs lol

[gusty mirage]

I mean what if the tank kites them away and it procs on like 1 or 0?

🙂

[stoic needle]

it's really not the end of the world

[gloomy fern]

i always stand behind

[gusty mirage]

idk about your tanks but mine can't handle 8 mobs beating on them on fort weeks

[vestal orchid]

So how good is the assa now on PvE? Is is worth going assa from outlaw?

[stoic needle]

for single target yeah

[wise gull]

big dam

[primal zinc]

i would say that assassins are good even in 2 or 3 targets

kinda mathcing outlaws

[vestal orchid]

okey, great

[stoic needle]

not really

[cunning basin]

so assa better in huntsman than outlaw.

[stoic needle]

outlaw's still got better 2-3t cleave

[cunning basin]

?

[stoic needle]

nah

[heady rain]

whats better on M council?

[wise gull]

assa only better at spread cleave

[chilly marsh]

Mark of the Master Assassin now only affects auto-attack and Rogue abilities' critical strike chance. RIP NW items

[cunning basin]

and trinkets like skulker and vessel

[chilly marsh]

also trinkets yes

[brittle pawn]

it's a single target fight

[stoic needle]

depends on if you want to pad or actually kill the boss

[tight ravine]

Por que no los dos

[gusty mirage]

but there's 3 of them

[static wadi]

btw how much soul ash was needed for a t4 Lego?

[primal zinc]

outlaws for padding assasing for killing...same as kael thus...you wann padd on adds? or kill the bosses shield 🙂

[brittle pawn]

5150

[balmy condor]

deserved

[wise gull]

outlaw good for waiters, assa good for big boss dam

[gusty mirage]

okay fellow sneaky boys, I'm going to go nap until I can do things

ily all

[static wadi]

i have like 1.5k ... I shouldnt have been lazy

[icy crater]

mfw at work

[tight ravine]

Please feel better

Do not play frogger

With your body at least

[cunning basin]

but you actually want to put bleeds on adds or the other bosses for energy in council

[gusty mirage]

I left work, shit day means I leave

lmao

[wise gull]

i was just gonna ask that

[vocal edge]

What's the actual sim dif for ST sin vs outlaw? Sin's pin is using bis, outlaws is using non bis

[gusty mirage]

Perks of working for yourself, cons are I'm pretty much broke all the time

[vestal orchid]

and venthyr is also BIS for assa?

[wide ridge]

good question, havent got to m council yet nor looked at logs

[primal zinc]

@balmy condor i always wanted to ask you whats the dps difference between dauntless duelist and familiar predicaments......(for the extra potency) and use both lashing scars and wps....if you have spread sheets or sims i would be more than greatfull 🙂 ❤️

[hard pivot]

Simcraft site has sin at ~+500 dps over outlaw if I remember right

Edit: it’s +400 actually

[simple kettle]

[balmy condor]

probably around 1%

[primal zinc]

1% better what? dauntless or extra potency?

[balmy condor]

dauntless

[stable arch]

Oh I am so hyped for tomorrow

[kindred rapids]

what happens tomorrow?

[cunning basin]

9.0.5

[wide ridge]

tomomrrow

[cunning basin]

for eu

[wide ridge]

sorry cant type

[wise gull]

eu

[tight ravine]

We'll let you know how it is

[kindred rapids]

ha

[chilly marsh]

if doomblade is bis venthyr will be even more ? extra 5% dmg

[cunning basin]

check the pins

[wide ridge]

EU friends have to wait longer to get stygia from their vault

[primal zinc]

@balmy condor ❤️

[wise gull]

EU friends get to watch us get Phials from our vaults

[icy crater]

remember when you actually had to sim your vault to find the best upgrade?

[simple kettle]

if I get phial 226 ill pay u one month suscrption

[wise gull]

i've never had to pick stygia

[cunning basin]

I actually had phial 226 and didn't take it cause there was 226 wep

[wise gull]

i would have taken phial

tbh

[brittle pawn]

ye

many weapon

1 phial

[wise gull]

^

[cunning basin]

but i had 200 wep

[brittle pawn]

doesnt matter

[fading wigeon]

nothing you can do about it now

just keep rolling the dice

[cunning basin]

and the funny thing is got the token from council that day so yeah kinda pissed about it

[primal zinc]

my 210 m+15 phial is the 5% of my dmg done

in all fights

[fading wigeon]

phial is just too strong

lol

[wise gull]

226 phial is still a 70dps upgrade from my 220 dreadfire

[fading wigeon]

not looking forward to farming it every patch lol

[blazing arrow]

???

[fading wigeon]

err tier

[primal zinc]

oyu can have it once and upgrade it with valor points

xD

[blazing arrow]

Do you have a crystal ball and can tell me what the raid trinkets are going to be

[fading wigeon]

i dont see them letting you upgrade it every tier, they will do something funny where you have to get the drop again, and then upgrade it

just watch

[cunning basin]

at least they nerfed plaguefall

[timid coral]

if you macro ambush/mutilate together does it work with blindside procs the way one would hope?

[fading wigeon]

nope

[tribal marlin]

considering the high cost, you will probably want to loot a new one at max M+ ilvl before upgrading anyway

[fading wigeon]

^^^

[stoic needle]

but what if they raise the ilvl cap for valor upgrades

[primal zinc]

nope it haas gcd

[chilly marsh]

i think i will really drop this xpack... fuck this covenant bullshit every patch i will need to change covenants? im sick already

[topaz saffron]

I've not seen a weapon once since launch in my Vault, No phial either

[cerulean raft]

what makro do you use?

[chilly marsh]

cant even imagien 9.1 changign again

[stoic needle]

nobody is forcing you at gunpoint to change covenants

your covenant choice isn't going to stop you from topping dps

[blazing arrow]

@chilly marsh you dont need to change anything dude

[chilly marsh]

its the felling man

[stoic needle]

just ignore it and play what you like

[primal zinc]

i personally dont use any macro

[chilly basin]

External locus of control

[chilly marsh]

i fell like shit if im playing and not goign 100%

[sick ledge]

Hello, i've got 8000 soul ashes to burn. I already have MA and Celerity 235. What should i craft as assa, doomblade or zol. Doing mostly m+ and little bit of pvp

[young pebble]

are you playing 100% even with your favorite cov though, like do you have your rotation 100% perfect?

[topaz saffron]

Zol imo

[thorn turtle]

just got the fcking ksm

[chilly marsh]

im the guy that try hard to biss every slot socket everything

[stoic needle]

i guarantee that if you put the same effort into optimizing your own play as you did into optimzing your covenant you'd see a higher dps gain

[dense bramble]

zoldyck insignia modifiers envenom?

[wise gull]

are you 99 parsing every fight

[hollow jungle]

venthyr is just fire and forget...fuck it ez mode

[feral merlin]

You'll probably have to get a new one at the next highest ilvl from the previous patch to upgrade it further

[topaz saffron]

Playing what's fun is better imo. I love my steward

[dense bramble]

thanks! and if it did, would be stronger the doomblade, perhaps?

then*

[stoic needle]

hard to say for sure but it would definitely be pretty huge

[iron orchid]

NF is much more fire and forget typed than venthyr imo

[chilly marsh]

don't know need to digest it... but it's the first time in 8+ years that i fell like fuck this shit lets play valheim or other game

[fading wigeon]

take care

[stoic needle]

just keep in mind that literally 90% of the covenant stuff is cosmetic

[fading wigeon]

enjoy valhallah

[subtle tundra]

maybe cause you played for 8 years?

[stoic needle]

the only thing that actually matters is the abilities and your renown level

[wise gull]

if you aren't 99 parsing on most fights you probably have more to gain from self improvement than any convenant will give you

[stoic needle]

and all of that can be gotten by just playing the game

[wise gull]

so just play what you want

[subtle tundra]

could very well be burnout

[chilly marsh]

maybe...time for a break yes... but 100% covenat bullshit fault

[supple pelican]

No lol

[wise gull]

not at all lol

[fading wigeon]

its really not an issue

lol

[supple pelican]

If you aren’t average 95 then your washed

[subtle tundra]

hey we have a meaningful choice

[supple pelican]

And have no room to blame cov

[subtle tundra]

thats awful

[hollow jungle]

@iron orchid NF has to worry about the stealth ability coming up, venthyr is literally press this for big damn and haste every 2 mins

[wise gull]

if you aren't average 99 you're washed

[supple pelican]

You rite

[simple kettle]

How u survived the 8.3? I mean, just saying 8.3 is the worst of the worst for me

[wise gull]

cries in 98.8

[supple pelican]

HOW COULD YOU KEI

You TRASH

[wise gull]

im 99.9 on normal

[tender beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-y-jerry-tom-and-jerry-meme-sad-cry-gif-18054267

[wise gull]

[dense bramble]

was it nzoth corrupted items?

[supple pelican]

winrar!

[tender beacon]

Lol

[iron orchid]

Well you pretty much don't use the ability from the proc of sepsis, whilst you have to optimize the cps you spend during the flag window to match your sim to perfection

[simple kettle]

Yep.

[hollow jungle]

@iron orchid think ur lookin way to far into it, they're both lazy...who gives a shit

[iron orchid]

That's why i chose necro

[chilly marsh]

numerically not but for me feelings >> numbers i hate outlaw because of it

8.3 i try harded farming corruptions and sockets

[balmy condor]

I mean

sepsis is objectively more lazy

[subtle tundra]

im lazy

[wise gull]

i'd personally put more effort into mastering your class than worrying about marginal differences in covenant dps

[iron orchid]

see, I win, by the power of "Whispyr says so"

[dense walrus]

If you plan to remain night fae should you still switch leggo to Doomblade or stay with Zoldyck?

[hollow jungle]

you right, forgot you take your hands off keyboard when you press ur covenent. my b

[balmy condor]

this dude never had downtime in his life

I wish I could be that good

[wise gull]

you know what i've never had in my life?

a phial

[rotund stone]

same same

but when i log in today i will be one of my 3 options at 226. I tell myself this every week.

[dense bramble]

does it modifier nf power?

[fading wigeon]

dont worry man game will break and give you 226 phial on every gv slot

[loud niche]

Are we gods now? Top ST dps spec?

[subtle tundra]

melee will never be gods

[hollow jungle]

dk says hi

[loud niche]

Lol

Let me rephrase, do we finally outdps God rolling otl bois in ST?

[thorn turtle]

so is assa great already on NA>

[true rapids]

servers down till 1 pm PST

[blazing arrow]

I dunno let me play the spec while the servers are down

[indigo mulch]

Hmm

Dashing scoundrel is ahead of doomblade acording to bloodmallet 😮 why? D:

I mean its barly any diffrence lol

[balmy condor]

profile differences most likely

[indigo mulch]

Fair

[balmy condor]

bloodmallet has some funky shit happening with their profile last I checked

[indigo mulch]

Figured D:

I BELIVE IN YOU WHISPYR

But the pitchfork was close to being picked u.

up*

[subtle tundra]

yea but if you play dashing you will lose more from downtime 🥺

[safe pendant]

Thanks for the updated pins so far

[balmy condor]

[indigo mulch]

I never really understood how it works tbh, is it during the "buff" window poison's have higher chance to crit?

[balmy condor]

yes

also I found out why it sims higher

bloodmallet still using vigor

[tender fjord]

Eu boy here, in how many hrs should US server go live?

[balmy condor]

vigor = higher envenom uptime

higher envenom uptime = more dashing stonks

[balmy condor]

2

[indigo mulch]

At what point do we actually swap from vigor to DS? o_O;

[subtle tundra]

at the point where it sims better

[thorn turtle]

in my case mfd sims better

[indigo mulch]

There must be a haste breakpoint somewhere that makes ds sim higher.

[thorn turtle]

tihii

[balmy condor]

with venthyr, like 210/10% haste, otherwise like 225/25% haste from what I've seen

[tender fjord]

MVP ty!

[balmy condor]

very roughly speaking

[indigo mulch]

25ish

Fair

[balmy condor]

obviously that's not an actual thing

[naive rock]

are raidbots updated to the new patch yet?

[short hamlet]

@balmy condor can i ask you a question you've probably answered a lot but i dont see in the FAQ

[hollow jungle]

i thought mfd was the st play?

[balmy condor]

yes.

[fleet anchor]

Maybe I should add a SimC proifileset metric so we can optimize for downtime

[thorn turtle]

played it all along, sims better, so why not

[balmy condor]

no, I don't take questions

[short hamlet]

F

[naive rock]

@balmy condor thanks ur the best ❤️

[stoic needle]

Post sim

[indigo mulch]

I must say though. Playing without vigor feels horrible.

The energy just feel so sluggish without vigor. 😒

[rustic thunder]

boy oh boy assa is gonna pop

[short hamlet]

Real talk though, what is the net gain in assassination output if we include venthyr and the buffs from 9.0.5?

[thorn turtle]

@stoic needle uno momento

[stoic needle]

I really want to see MFD simming higher than ds and vigor for st

[fleet anchor]

Whispyr doesn't need to take questions because he's already put the entire library of every possible answer eventuality in the pins

[balmy condor]

with the swap from zold to doom included, it's about 10% iirc

[indigo mulch]

lol

[stoic needle]

Oh you know

Just 10% of qol buffs

[subtle tundra]

its atleast 5 dps

[naive rock]

Hey Whispyr you are opnipitant right? When is the server coming up?

[safe pendant]

New legendary, more torghast

[balmy condor]

in exactly 53 minutes

[indigo mulch]

Whispyr what should i name my firstborn?

[balmy condor]

Jannick

[fleet anchor]

Pins == Encyclopædia Whisprynnica

[naive rock]

@balmy condor oh shit better get ready to clock out of work

[thorn turtle]

it's gonna be a bit scuffed, cuz i also sim the wps, don't have conduit gems to swap from outlul till tmrw @stoic needle

[stoic needle]

Whispyr what are the numbers for the next powerball jackpot?

[balmy condor]

how many numbers are there

[naive rock]

so who is going 0 haste and all mastery xd?

[indigo mulch]

roflmao

[stoic needle]

No, it's haste/mastery smdh

[onyx wind]

Me, im hitting the breakpoint where u only use rupture and not envenom

[stoic needle]

Get the meme right

[storm forum]

when we go back to legion and haste no longer affects our bleeds

[fleet anchor]

Vers stack plz

[onyx wind]

Stop.... that hurts

I have 800 vers...

[naive rock]

same >_<

[indigo mulch]

😄

[onyx wind]

Sub gang B)

[fleet anchor]

You need 24.8% Vers to get into RBGs anyway

[balmy condor]

I think this might unironically be a thing if you troll in torghast enough, since there's negative haste values

[storm forum]

I wish had had that much for PvP

[onyx wind]

Just tell them u have 30% vers

noone checks

[short hamlet]

Bless your heart. Thank you.

[fleet anchor]

How far can you push that?

Can you say like

50% Vers?

[indigo mulch]

roflmao

[onyx wind]

I tried 35% once and it worked

[fleet anchor]

lol

[thorn turtle]

@stoic needle https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rHRbQLVgzBbemPU3set1m1

[balmy condor]

mfd sims higher in dungeonslice

WELL COLOR ME IMPRESSED

[naive rock]

I was in full 226 pvp gear and I think I was at 31%

[fleet anchor]

Well akkkktucally whenconsideringtheversbonusfromthetrinkettwosetbonusimatthirtyfivepercenteffectivevers

[thorn turtle]

k doing regular 5 minute baws

[indigo mulch]

Man, why do i have to wait til tomorrow to play the new sin 😦

Stupid EU.

[wise gull]

why do i have to wait 2 more hours for stygia

[naive rock]

we are NA beta testers

[onyx wind]

Do we know what world boss is gonna be up ?

[indigo mulch]

^

[sleek sparrow]

Just go buy the game on NA, ezpz

[onyx wind]

LET ME INTO THE MAW NOOOW

[fleet anchor]

At the current rate of downtime I probably won't get the play until tomorrow to play it either in the NA

[naive rock]

@onyx wind NF one

[onyx wind]

I NEED MORE STYGIA

[balmy condor]

one of the 3 that weren't up last week

[sleek sparrow]

[indigo mulch]

lul

[onyx wind]

ty

[onyx wind]

ty

[balmy condor]

gotchu homie

[stoic needle]

Why would you need stygia

[fleet anchor]

I think they are still trying to panic fix WWs somehow

[onyx wind]

Because i bought SOCKETS

[sleek sparrow]

It's hard to keep track of this 4 week order

[fleet anchor]

lol

[onyx wind]

ON VERS GEAR

[sleek sparrow]

I can only count to 3

[limber lion]

Who here actually plays MFD in dungeons

[onyx wind]

me B)

[balmy condor]

👋

[indigo mulch]

Man, i feel really bad for hte people who actually wants to play WW.

[stoic needle]

Me

[indigo mulch]

They are so broken atm

[subtle tundra]

on outlul

[stoic needle]

I could not imagine doing m+ without MFD

[limber lion]

Wtfd

[stoic needle]

As any spec

[iron orchid]

too lazy

[limber lion]

Ya'll are fucking crazy

[limber lion]

SAME

[stoic needle]

Its free combo points

[fleet anchor]

I'd play MfD in dungeons but I fear it would reduce my downtime to unacceptable levels

[balmy condor]

I play vigor out of boredom sometimes

[thorn turtle]

@stoic needle https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/odnmiBrKY3iFuZ5vgjn182

[balmy condor]

but I usually play mfd

[stoic needle]

How the fuck do you do your opener without mfd

[limber lion]

Yeah I just run vigor kek

[chrome mirage]

Is raidbots updated?

[limber lion]

ez 4 garrotes

[naive rock]

if i wanted higher than 10 apm id play outlaw

[fleet anchor]

I've played MfD on Outlaw the entire xpac tbh

It's great

[iron orchid]

I think mfd with MA in dungeons is really good

[onyx wind]

The amount of times ive just used MFD SnD before pull tho B)

[iron orchid]

I personally wanna try

[onyx wind]

Who cares if its bad

It feels good B)

[stoic needle]

No see it's

[indigo mulch]

Didnt you hear infexious? I heard hes great at openers.

[stoic needle]

Gar x 4 rup MFD CT

[naive rock]

pikaboo going sin for pvp now?

[stoic needle]

Fuck a slice and dice

[limber lion]

say sike right now

[onyx wind]

slice and dice is so fun tho

[stoic needle]

Never

[pliant sorrel]

Ok how about now

[onyx wind]

look at all those auto attacks!!!

[pliant sorrel]

We nerfed yet

[onyx wind]

OMG ANOTHER POISON PROC LETS GOOOO

[stoic needle]

MFD is good but it's not bis on st

[balmy condor]

lemme fix that for you real quick https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gu5YvNsjVfecybyJ3rZ5vq

[mossy crown]

so what stats do I stick on Doomblade?

[thorn turtle]

but im not talking st tho D:

[balmy condor]

haste + crit/vers

[balmy condor]

well then what are we talking about

we all know mfd is good in aoe

[stoic needle]

We're on the same page then

[pliant sorrel]

2 more hours and I come home to press new flag

[dire violet]

Haste and crit are great in are as well my dawg

AOE

[signal gulch]

i tried mfd last night for first time and every thing i marked first would die last

[slim heath]

Guys which soulbind and traits are we taking for venthyr m+?

[onyx wind]

13 more hours and i can log in and claim my 226 phial with speed

cant wait man

[neat frost]

One for me too please

[woven needle]

I just need a dagger

[stoic needle]

Theotar with wasteland propriety

[thorn turtle]

same i have 210 and 207 daggers still

[pliant sorrel]

I got 2 226 daggers with mastery

Least it’s crit

[woven needle]

I have 6 swords and 1 dagger so far at 223+

[thorn turtle]

@stoic needle rly? theotar?

with tea?

[stoic needle]

Yes

[onyx wind]

I got 226 haste mainstat dagger

whats UP

[stoic needle]

The mastery is big aoe damage

[thorn turtle]

but what about thrillseeker and stuff

[stoic needle]

It sucks

Procs at the end of pulls and is over before the next one

[dawn belfry]

Iv gotten 2 - 223 phials and 1 - 226 phial 🤣 now if I could get a weapon that would be neat

[stoic needle]

Blocked

[indigo mulch]

Blacklisted

[ionic fox]

already ignored him

[indigo mulch]

Kill it with fire. Now

[thorn turtle]

k gotta go, gl in your vaults

[indigo mulch]

Bring the gasoline.

[dawn belfry]

🤣🤣

[onyx wind]

??????????

[thorn turtle]

you all with get phials

and weapons

all you need

[onyx wind]

Luckily i already have 226 wep

[stoic needle]

THIS IS WHERE ALL OUR PHIALS HAVE GONE

[dawn belfry]

It had speed on it too 🤪

[stoic needle]

FOXBOO HAS BEEN HOARDING THEM

[onyx wind]

NO

STOP

[stoic needle]

[pliant sorrel]

I have 226 phial 🙂

[onyx wind]

I have 213 sludgefist trinket as 225 ilvl :)

(with speed)

[dawn belfry]

I will trade one phial for a 226 pox storm best offer

[onyx wind]

one of my friends has 2x 226 pox XD

[simple kettle]

I send nudes

[onyx wind]

windwalker player

:/

dead char

[pliant sorrel]

I need assa rings

We extended before I got one off inerva

[dawn belfry]

Deal

[pliant sorrel]

And we on slg so I don’t even get to play sin

[solid vault]

i have one crit/haste, but no sockets

[onyx wind]

I traded inerva ring with socket away....

...

2 weeks ago....

[stoic needle]

Man I've never been so excited to be disappointed in my life

The post ksm vault has to be good, right? Right..?

[iron orchid]

Nope

[strong saffron]

yo guys, how to upgrade lashing scars ? does it drop anywhere?

[stoic needle]

What about ksm AND aotc vault

[true rapids]

Is Vigor better than DS?

[onyx wind]

denathrius and world boss

and callings

[subtle tundra]

i dont even expect to get anything from the vault

[iron orchid]

Just get fucked

[spice spire]

0% chance for gear

[stoic needle]

[spice spire]

Toxic

[strong saffron]

ok thx

[neat frost]

Depends on your stats

[ionic fox]

Have done 10 15+'s every week except for week 1. No Phial. It doesn't exist

[true rapids]

Haven't done that many but I havent seen a good phial either

[strong saffron]

so DS better with higher gear?

[neat frost]

I think if you have enough haste, you can go DS

[true rapids]

my ww monk guildie got a 220 phial week 1

[subtle tundra]

yes its called rng

[spice spire]

On top of the 0% chance on your app you said you were outlaw off spec? Disgusting

[ionic fox]

My DK with an Alt WW got a 226 phial on both characters week 3 or 4 of expac

[neat frost]

Whispyr mentioned earlier if Venthyr with Flag the transitio nfrom Vigor to DS might be around 10-13%? 25% if not venthyr?

[ionic fox]

Guildy*

opened one 226 phial logged onto his WW got another 226 phial

[onyx wind]

Well heres the thing

[stoic needle]

I am outlaw loot spec this week for the vault if I don't get a Phial maybe I can get a pox

[spice spire]

I hope your stygia bugs this week

[onyx wind]

+750 stygia :O

Thats almost one days worth of stygia

A WEEK

[stoic needle]

[onyx wind]

So generous,thanks blizzard

[naive rock]

servers up

[next solar]

servers up

[true rapids]

servers up?

[next solar]

pu srevres

[indigo mulch]

wtb patch on eu 😭

[subtle tundra]

nah

[stoic needle]

OH BABY

[pliant sorrel]

How about we’re extending on mythic so I’m 8/10 mythic with no boxes

[subtle tundra]

i like when NA beta tests

[pliant sorrel]

[stoic needle]

LETS GO DISSAPOINTMENT

[spice spire]

Post it live

[dull cargo]

what is DS? sry for the Question.

[naive rock]

RTX ON

[spice spire]

Let’s see it

[subtle tundra]

thats what any guild that cares about WR does.

[spice spire]

Dashing scoundrel

[simple kettle]

Deeper strat

[pliant sorrel]

Yeah true

[dull cargo]

ah thx :>

[spice spire]

Or deeper strat depending on context

[onyx wind]

Post ur vaults guys :)

Make me feel better :)

[next solar]

F

[stoic needle]

@spice spire streaming in general 1

[spice spire]

Nice trinkets

[onyx wind]

Those are mastery crit boots right?

[next solar]

crit haste

[onyx wind]

okayyy

not dead then

[ionic fox]

there is a BOE that is Crit haste so

dead

[onyx wind]

Well this has like

[next solar]

could also not waste gold

[spice spire]

Those leggings are bis xd

[onyx wind]

slightly more haste

compared to crit

[spice spire]

Rings pretty good

[ionic fox]

what else is gold used for other than dps?

[subtle tundra]

if you dont spend gold then what do you do with it

[ionic fox]

^

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[stoic needle]

[ionic fox]

saving for his WoW mortgage

[next solar]

save it for better pieces?

[oak arrow]

Illdan server up.. eyy

[subtle tundra]

in 8.3 in pumped 4 mil into boes

i bought 6 boes this patch

1.5-2 mil

[spice spire]

Weapon though

[stoic needle]

this is a really good ring

[onyx wind]

banger ring

[ionic fox]

really pog ring

[stoic needle]

do i take the 220 wep for outlaw or the ring for both!?

[spice spire]

It’s between those two

[brittle pawn]

cant wait to get to oribos to see my selection of belts bracers and boots

[spice spire]

Ring 100%

[subtle tundra]

ring

[pliant sorrel]

That ring is insanely good

[onyx wind]

Weapon!!!

Take the weapon!!!!!!

[subtle tundra]

and just upgrade a pox to 220

🙂

[spice spire]

Mastery pants though

[onyx wind]

The weapon is so good!!!!

[stoic needle]

getting a pox

[pliant sorrel]

It’s better than my mythic xymkx ring

At 203

[stoic needle]

tempted

[iron orchid]

the ring is insane

[subtle tundra]

you have to farm phial anyways

[stoic needle]

true...

[spice spire]

It’s 100% the ring

[subtle tundra]

well

we all do

[spice spire]

Tho.

[iron orchid]

and you get the 220 weapon

lel

[onyx wind]

Take the ring and DE it

[spice spire]

TRUE. I’m going to pull a Jordan since I only did one mythic last week and get the easiest vial of my life

[pliant sorrel]

That ring is nutty it’s better at 203 than my 226 xymox one

[brittle pawn]

lol

[dawn belfry]

PANTS

[hard pivot]

Oof

[thorn turtle]

If I’m not getting a weapon or a phial, I’m shaving off my mustache

[pliant sorrel]

But fk a 220 weapon

[thorn turtle]

Mark my words

[pliant sorrel]

Pant

[limber swallow]

could be worse.. mine has a 213 chain and a 226 helm... I have a 213 chain... and a better 226 helm..

[spice spire]

Oh I’m not getting sick this week

[wise gull]

all of my vault items have mastery

is this a sick joke

[stoic needle]

i'm not bad tbh, that ring replaces a 207 of the same type

[subtle tundra]

welcome to the club

[wise gull]

and no haste

[stoic needle]

mastery stack is calling to you

[limber swallow]

crit mastery hood... yuck

[cerulean kernel]

Where are the sexy sin simms?

[brittle pawn]

i guess ill take it on the pants

[wise gull]

same

cringe vault

[thorn turtle]

So, who wants to make a bet

My stache vs blizz rng

[onyx wind]

No its GOOD

its GOOD

[dawn belfry]

sin is bis for ST

[stoic needle]

dreadfire?!?!

[thorn turtle]

I got vessel from curve kill

[wise gull]

already have

[onyx wind]

sin? more like SIM

[pliant sorrel]

I wonder how much longer I’ll be on SLG

[dawn belfry]

just in time for MA to no longer affect it XD

[pliant sorrel]

Probably until CE is over

[onyx wind]

How many hunters do uhave

[pliant sorrel]

3 I believe

[onyx wind]

Okay you have chances

[pliant sorrel]

[manic harness]

Is it live yet?

[dawn belfry]

yes

[stoic needle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/h8JjqWqzQvDhnka3TCuh1m

[dawn belfry]

unfortunately im on A52 and im getting "character not found" 😦

[stoic needle]

i gain almost 700 dps today

[dawn belfry]

on all my characters

[onyx wind]

I went from 6100 simdps to 6750 B)

[ionic fox]

normal raidbots doesnt sim 9.05 yet

[stoic needle]

i dont even have dauntless duelist unlocked yet

[spice spire]

Jesus dude

Top it off with 180 my guy

[stoic needle]

my key is a sd16

[agile geode]

Guys

[gray fjord]

I believe this is what they call 'poggerz', my dudes.

[agile geode]

Did anyone know why bloodmallet sims are wrong?

[stoic needle]

sinvana nearly acheived

[agile geode]

Thougt they were updates

[agile geode]

Updated

[iron orchid]

I want that

[spice spire]

Same

[stoic needle]

they use different profiles than whispyr

[woven needle]

I'll trade a 226 sword for that dagger

[gray fjord]

A sign, first time I set my loot spec to assassination xD I still need a 226 slow weapon but this will do nicely.

[thorn turtle]

@stoic needle but u use Nadjia

[dawn belfry]

my fury warrior guildie just got a 226 phial with leech XD

[woven needle]

Jesus

[agile geode]

I trust whispr more

[spice spire]

I hate this place

[agile geode]

But so much difference is strange

[spice spire]

Weapons and phials galore

[woven needle]

I'm gonna prob loot bracers or some shit

[subtle tundra]

imagine not having 2 226 daggers since first 2 weeks

[stoic needle]

?

[thorn turtle]

U said Theotar, but using Nadjia

[gray fjord]

😛 PvP is for the devil.

[subtle tundra]

not pvp i hate that just good box rng 🙂

[stoic needle]

theotar for M+

nadjia for ST

[gray fjord]

xD Oh wow, jeeze I wish.

I have horrid luck with weapons. 💔

[thorn turtle]

Ah fair

[woven needle]

How tf were you doing 14s 2 weeks in

[subtle tundra]

with my guild

[gray fjord]

MLG

[ionic fox]

??? should have done a 14 week 1 lol

[thorn turtle]

I have 216 neck from +9 still

[plain jewel]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[gray fjord]

207 Helm from a 14 still. Literally have gotten 2 helmets all expansion (3 if you count like WQs and whatever)

It's insane.

[plain thistle]

anyone who swapped covenant, do we keep our covenant soulbind? like sepsis shock disappear or transform to lashing scars?

[thorn turtle]

Got my 223 last week

[rustic thunder]

the fuck

as much as 700 dps?

[wise gull]

yes

[sleek sparrow]

you have to get lashing scars to drop, it doesnt convert

[stoic needle]

they're all separate. you start at 145 with the new covenant soulbind

[plain thistle]

k thx

[wary ice]

Oshosi did you go doomblade or dashing?

[plain thistle]

maybe ill swap before killing denath, chance to get a 226 right away is too great xD

[indigo mulch]

Doomblade4ever!

[hollow robin]

Are raidbots nightly sims updated to 9.0.5?

[spice spire]

When we swap back do we get the old level we had? Or 245 again?

[open creek]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[spice spire]

145*

[stoic needle]

doomblade baby

[wary ice]

if you got it, you got it

[woven needle]

@gray fjord my first kill on denath with rogue I got 220 socketed helm

[wary ice]

sick thanks

[stoic needle]

yeah, this was my sim last week by comparison

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ctoQb6ee8EZREiv1xHbAgX

[torpid spoke]

are the talents still

okay

do you go 3 - 3 - 1?

[rustic thunder]

lmao assassination is going to the fucking moon with these changes

[gray fjord]

oxO Jeeze I wish. Still haven't looted a Sire kill yet, other than my dragon soulshape.

[torpid spoke]

does 3rd row mateter anymore?

[woven needle]

It's the only drop I've seen off denath so far

[wary ice]

i got the trinket

[subtle tundra]

i got 233 stone legion trinket on our first kill too bad its just mediocre

[wary ice]

which could be worse i guess

[livid thistle]

Is there a mutilate macro for Blindside?

[wary ice]

no - not witohut addons

[true rapids]

doesnt it just turn into blindside when it procs?

[livid thistle]

i have to use my brain now 😦

[thorn turtle]

Nope

[inland ridge]

What legendary is assassination going to be running? Just capped my rogue last week so I can bench my dk. I'm a little behind and have no idea what legendary to build with the new buffs

[spice spire]

!bs

[prisma monolith]

Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message

[stoic needle]

imagine having to use your brain

[wary ice]

u just press another button when the screen lights up

is that really brainpower?

[ionic fox]

you don't want to macro blindside proc to mutilate lmfao

[onyx wind]

No its mechanical prowess

[livid thistle]

no why not?

[ionic fox]

you get a while to use the free charge

[thorn turtle]

Adding ambush to reach 20 apm

[ionic fox]

what if you are capped at 5 cp

[pale fiber]

Any conduits changing with the patch or pins still fresh?

[ionic fox]

dump then build with free proc

[spice spire]

Pins are fresh

[pale fiber]

ty

[onyx wind]

u can also just play elaborate planning

which is ok

and not worry

abt pressing more buttons B)

[stoic needle]

EP is gonna be better soon

[brittle pawn]

soon?

[wary ice]

they're both on the gcd so without an addon to expand what you can do in your macros theres no way to write it that would work so that it would use ambush when you have a proc, and mut otherwise

[spice spire]

As you get more haste and there becomes less windows for blindside, and more upkeep to EP, it becomes better.

It’s been the pattern for the past few expansions apparently

[rocky rover]

the difference between venthyr and the others is significant?

[spice spire]

Not too bad

[brittle pawn]

sounds like... a haste breakpoint???

[stoic needle]

||scaling||

[spice spire]

All are close

[pulsar sluice]

he said the bad word

[stoic needle]

i wouldn't call it significant tbh

[torpid spoke]

what talents do take on 3rd row now?

[dense bramble]

how much time does it take to go back to a covenant?

[wary ice]

1. 2) most likely vigor

[spice spire]

[wary ice]

1 reset

[pulsar sluice]

are the sims working

[spice spire]

A new one was updated

[balmy condor]

[subtle tundra]

le codex

arent you happy

[wary ice]

You have to do 2 fill the bar quests that are gated by your weekly reset

[spice spire]

If the banner is on raidbots, it’s not

[stoic needle]

good pantsu for when you use doomblade

[spice spire]

Pants are okay?

[dense bramble]

a did the first "complete tasks" yesterday and today i got it again. Completing this quests will I get back already?

[worn path]

1 reset if you complete the first quest bar before reset

[balmy condor]

I already have 220 pants

[dense bramble]

oh, thanks then

[stoic needle]

well now you have 226 pants 🙂

[spice spire]

That’s 6 ilvl my guy

[ornate lake]

Gloves

[spice spire]

That’s something 🙂

[north basin]

bis pants xD

[wary ice]

the 2nd quest is the same thing

so when you finish that you'll go back

[balmy condor]

not quite, but close, yeah

[stoic needle]

what would be better

[silent cargo]

@fiery flower reroll when

[north basin]

i have same. couldnt find better )

[echo cargo]

I think they fixed the artifact outlaw -> assassination swap D:

[spice spire]

Your haste mastery pants

[stoic needle]

[spice spire]

That you gave up for a ring

[formal cliff]

anyone not get the mount?

[balmy condor]

raid pants are better

[pulsar sluice]

i got the a 226 mastery ammy and a 226 anima battery

boooo

[balmy condor]

the crit/mast ones from shriek

[stoic needle]

did you say

crit

[north basin]

llolollo

[stoic needle]

mastery

????

[north basin]

u srsly?

xDDD

[balmy condor]

yes

[stoic needle]

[balmy condor]

it's the one slot in BiS that has mastery on it

[spice spire]

As stats get higher their value becomes closer. We went over this at the beginning actually

Having 0 mastery but 700 vers ups the value of mastery a bit over vers

As an example

[north basin]

at 222 ilvl i still have haste top stat

[spice spire]

When he had the list that shall not be named, that was kind of the point

To show “don’t stack stats, that’s worse than this”

[worn path]

Is the nadjia soulbind pathing in the pins that takes one potency conduit still accurate?

[balmy condor]

yes

[burnt star]

omg

finaly upgrading those 213 dagger

the games sending a message!

[balmy condor]

[sharp orchid]

I still have 194 daggers 0 drops all expac

[ionic fox]

Must be because of luck and not because you aren;t doing content to get them

[crimson palm]

who's this fake raz

[ionic fox]

just get a 210 and upgrade to 220 if you have 194 dags

[crimson palm]

[buoyant mauve]

just did world boss and my god, pressing snd once the whole fight and getting envenom pandemic over and over again feels so goooooooooood

[plain jewel]

you can get 200 daggers with conquest

[frozen karma]

raidbots isn't updated yet right?

[wise gull]

Sadge

[rough agate]

How do you do that PTR sim

[balmy condor]

lets fine out

NOP

[brittle pawn]

its not

[ionic fox]

just wait for raidbots to update over to 9.05

[true rapids]

sadger

[frozen karma]

unlucky

I can't read

🙂

[balmy condor]

a common problem in this discord

[stray mural]

No literacy, no problem

[frozen karma]

I just press the buttons

[spice spire]

We’re 20 APM andys here we don’t even do that

[frozen karma]

hope it's up before raid

[balmy condor]

spec channel engagement would go down 90% if people learned how to read

[rough agate]

I dont understand sorry 🙂

[balmy condor]

[rough agate]

lol

[balmy condor]

the amount of questions that are just "pins" "guide" or "sim"

insane

[stoic needle]

just make all of the FAQ automodded

ez

[stray mural]

I stopped playing Sin the moment I started going for KSM. Is it worth playing post-changes?

[worn path]

I’ve heard that reading capabilities scale the longer the chat gets

[balmy condor]

oh it's just that easy right

[spice spire]

Add a p to sim and that’s another 5% of this channel

[mental fog]

Guys, the bleeding of Serrated Bone Spike stack with blade of doom legendary ?

[silent cargo]

can you help me find the pins

smile

[hybrid sluice]

How do i sim a pin guide?