Very different fight design
#assassination
fleet anchor
cold spoke
yee diff is mistress adds had to die at one point 
faint harness
It was fucking insane on that meme fight in tomb aswell, the one with 2 phases
fleet anchor
Zul was designed in a way you could keep the secondary targets up at all times, plus the boss himself had pathetic HP and you could utilize those two things together to hard push past everything difficult in the fight
Which really had not happened in that perfect storm before
faint harness
I can see blizz bringing back a baby version of combo as a conduit
dark token
im sure we will get some frost mage funnel on a boss in the next few tiers
cold spoke
meanwhile mages on aoe 
subtle tundra
with funnel into boss on slg you can probably make a strat to go into intermission with all adds up, use some wild spirits/combusts to finish them off, kill intermission goliath with funnel and repeat in phase 2
faint harness
im sure we will get some frost mage funnel on a boss in the next few tiers
Yea or just play fire and obliterate everything equally much
gleaming reef
Does necro covenant bleed work with doing last envenom stacking doomblade
vestal wren
tbh subtlety also got a very bad reputation after zul
dark token
a lot of people hated being sat for the 5th sub rogue alt with normal gear that would pull 30k dps
faint harness
Well yea people were forced to play it and they hated having to not do aoe cus of pesky sub rogues
dark token
i get it
robust warren
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
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torn atlas
The best thing about Sub, is the ability to Sprint on water.
storm lodge
two shadowstep charges :3
dark token
meanwhile mages on aoe <a:Poggersroll:586748988796174355>
https://i.imgur.com/eyNLRLp.png mages on ST 
vestal wren
the funnel was still making it a very solid pick on orgozoa but that did not make anyone switch to it
gusty ice
Anyone remember no fall damage? 😩
faint harness
wat kinda cheese is that
Pi
dark token
lmao
lament mica
yea like 9 pis?
lament mica
makes me sick
sage fern
!bis
bleak sun
Viklund gameplay "gimme all pi"
faint harness
Dont worry guys, they will reset logs today
dark token
thank god for my poor WW
faint harness
For the .5 patch
faint harness
9.1 is your only hope
vestal wren
.5 will likely last a bit
faint harness
June
lament mica
buffs seem aimed at pvp
faint harness
My guess
faint harness
Dont think .5 was ever meant to be a balance patch specs or classes
lament mica
well i guess not entirely pvp since they are so disgusting in m+ as well
vestal wren
I think they stated that content patches are what they aim to change balance around
.5 seems more like they want to try to fix bugs and some power balance issues
vestal wren
the assassination buff could as well be just something to calm down the community
"see, rogue is not bad"
faint harness
I honestly dont think they understood how much of a dps gain cttc would be
And then add wounds buff to that
They see it as a qol fix
Mainly
thorn turtle
Wooow, my logs for 15s are so good
faint harness
Not a dps buff
thorn turtle
faint harness
Wow
lament mica
strong mauve
faint harness
M+ logs wooop
gentle gyro
how would you look at cttc and not think it's a dps buff
subtle tundra
imagine if they didnt buff energy regen
it would've been 35 apm spec
like
do i wanna sleep
dark token
Dont think .5 was ever meant to be a balance patch specs or classes
yes this is why i hope for buffs to WW and MM as compensation for the bugfix nerfs
thorn turtle
Assa is chess basically
dark token
once blizzard sees
thorn turtle
While outlaw is osu
faint harness
A chess of always just tracking a timer
gleaming reef
Outlaw is yatzee
nimble tartan
guys am i playing sin
faint harness
Outlaw is Texas hold em
strong mauve
Build, Spend, Build, Spend
stark heart
.5 seems more like they want to try to fix bugs and some power balance issues
fix 10, add 11
strong mauve
Outlaw
faint harness
Build spend is 99 of specs
Or more?
All of them?
In the entire game
Is there actually any spec that isnt about building and spending
faint harness
Dont they build ice lances
gentle gyro
yes but that's not a resource per se
faint harness
Well its the same design aint it
gentle gyro
when it comes down to it, yeah, but it's not a limiting factor on what button you can press
faint harness
Spending ice lances
vestal wren
fix 10, add 11
blizz is somewhat contradicting itself.
They will introduce new systems in the content patches and then only do a "quick balance pass" and won't touch the specs till .5 patches to not interfere with progression
But then don't want to balance in .5 because people are still progressing and "content patches" are for balance changes
gentle gyro
like, ice has no "ice power" bar that they can expend
vestal wren
what in the end means "no worry we will do it in .5" and "can't do it in .5, lets do it in .1" .... a endless cycle of not fixing game balance
faint harness
Feel bad for all ww players at these trying moments
gentle gyro
akin to like runic power or energy or holy power or the power of friendship
dark token
pretty sure WW nerfs actually hurt prog pretty bad on any guild on last 2 bosses like mine
faint harness
like, ice has no "ice power" bar that they can expend
Well no, but i mean build/spend in a bigger pov, not a bar that you fill
stark heart
no major class changes mid xpac
beta launched
almost no changes
window for major changes is closed, sorry
nothing new really
lament mica
kinda funny. they were like lets wait until hof, and the guilds slightly outside of hof, just get double fucked: ur not in hof and ur prog is nerfed
funny in a sick way
drowsy parcel
ww isnt even very good for denathrius, its mostly pad p1 damage
lament mica
i acutally thought they were gonna nerf council, SLG, and sire this patch, but i guess only council for now
dark token
we have 2 monks so im benched until i can get outlaw back ig, if the mark of the crane bug stays in https://i.imgur.com/kDDPPon.png
lament mica
idk cuz i haven't done the fight, but i just thought they needed to do nerfs when hof fills on the bosses that are walling people
lament mica
idk why i said "needed" i just mean they did
cunning surge
Aren't they about to get doodoo'd on with the fix this next patch?
faint harness
True, i just dont think sire needs nerfs ever. Its a sub 200 pull fight for most guilds
drowsy parcel
my guild is at 140 pulls and still a night or 2 away from killing 
faint harness
Explain
We took 78 pulls on sire, but realize its deceptively easy
When a friend of mine is on pull 210 and counting
round harbor
whats yall highscore on slg
cunning surge
My guild was about, 130~ or so Pulls?
round harbor
quasi ledge
We killed last night at 187 pulls, but a good 50 of them were P1 wipes where we were too busy laughing or lagging on the first adds
round harbor
rank 1 most slg pulls
gloomy knoll
high score
lament mica
drowsy parcel
my guild is so inconsistent, we get to p3 cleanly maybe once or twice per raid and then we gotta learn that shit proper too
shadow tulip
When you are benched from all mythic 
dark token
My guild was about, 130~ or so Pulls?
pretty sure we have 100 pulls and havent seen 2nd intermission yet
i wasnt in on most of them tho
faint harness
Idk what happened to my guild on sire, we just turned on turbo mode if im being honest. Took us 23 wipes to reach P3 first time
dark token
faster than limit 
subtle tundra
Idk what happened to my guild on sire, we just turned on turbo mode if im being ...
we had a fuckload of problems with impales
faint harness
Same raid night as we started it
sweet trellis
does vendetta increase the damage of flagellation?
faint harness
I think it was the double rogue strat
gentle gyro
yep
quasi ledge
Yeah. Most nights we'd only get a few clean P3 pulls. Think it also depends what P2 strat you do
lament mica
u better bet ur butt it does
dark token
flag doesnt count as a bleed for zoldyck right
gentle gyro
nope
cunning surge
pretty sure we have 100 pulls and havent seen 2nd intermission yet
Oof, tho, it is a fight where if even one person fucks up it costs the kill
SBS does tho
I thihnk
faint harness
we had a fuckload of problems with impales
I think a lot of guilds have issues with tanks on sire
gentle gyro
That's something i really dislike about the raid
thast you have to hold damage
on so many fights
or else you get fucked
cunning surge
For my guild we had problems with people not focusing Sins on P1 and getting hit by Crescendo/Massacre on P2
gentle gyro
just let me blast blizzard
lament mica
holding dps is one of the least fun things ya
cunning surge
We were fairly okay with mechanics on P3 but it was just intimidation mostly at that point
faint harness
But like if you dont have good tanks, P3 will be very hard. Because the boss actually slaps your tanks real hard
cunning surge
Yeah our group had to push after the 5th cleanse and before the 3rd set of Cabalist's came up, rather than, holding
gentle gyro
how high does Cttc actually stack
cunning surge
Yeah that's why we pushed so much, so our healers would have as much mana as possible for P3
gentle gyro
as in is there a limit for how high you can get SnD
cunning surge
To like, 47/48 seconds
It isn't like Outlaw's shit of getting 2 full minutes of SnD
subtle tundra
It isn't like Outlaw's shit of getting 2 full minutes of SnD
2 min?
faint harness
I hate that tbh
quasi ledge
We had more issues with tanks in P2, never really had that issue in P3 . Guess it was the movement in P2, but our tanks would always die pretty much bang on the 6:10 mark
cunning surge
I got lucky with Roll the Bones a lot of the time
subtle tundra
you get like 4-5 a lot
terse ice
do you guys go venthyr or necro after patch? bonespike counting towards doomblade is kind of an argument going necro even for single target fights, since its also good when uptime is not 100%
cunning surge
Oh
faint harness
Sometimes gotta right click off and as outlaw
cunning surge
I guess I wasn't then 
gentle gyro
Vampire bois
cunning surge
It's more borked than I thought
round harbor
Same
round harbor
Sometimes I gotta click off snd to maintain alacrity between packs :)
faint harness
Necro is very versatile
subtle tundra
Sometimes I gotta click off snd to maintain alacrity between packs :)
oh yea i can do that i actually didnt think of that
faint harness
So i will be going necro too
cunning surge
I'm gonna stay NF personally, but Necro and Venth are both strong, even if Venth doesn't interact with Zoldyck or Doomblade
lament mica
going necro is a major L in the WQ meta
faint harness
I played sbs first weeks of cn
subtle tundra
there should be a soulbind that lets you cast fleshcraft while moving but with reduced MS
faint harness
But it felt like shit due to no dmg, so the 300% will do it good
dark token
necro is good for raid prog and probably the best option for multispeccing outlaw
but im a venthyr hype beast
gimme that top ST sim
cunning surge
I mean Necro should be in general I feel since Fleshcraft is gonna be a solid defensive CD now
faint harness
Trashcan set
drowsy parcel
@subtle tundra emeni can fleshcraft while moving but you gotta go endurance path instead of potency
faint harness
Fleshcraft is actually really fucking good now
subtle tundra
<@!225677043482755072> emeni can fleshcraft while moving but you gotta go endura...
🤮
cunning surge
Yeah like Fleshcraft needed that buff
faint harness
Soulshape still my favourite ofc
lament mica
frog
dark token
if youve ever soulshaped while stealthed in a shroud, the frog soulshape has an absurdly funny animation
slender berry
!fuu
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dark token
same thing with frog mount + shroud
torpid spoke
Does doomblade proc venomous wounds
subtle tundra
no it'd be bonkers
torpid spoke
With the venomous wounds change
Does that make it equal to slice and dice rank 2?
Better?
subtle tundra
its the same
torpid spoke
I assume multi target would be bonkers right
dawn belfry
shadowcore or stones for sin?
subtle tundra
its better on multi target but energy stops being a problem on multi target
dawn belfry
single target
torpid spoke
I think 1 stone and one shadow core right
faint harness
Is that still true after giga venthyr haste?
torpid spoke
@limber lion no shadow core oil and phantom fire?
solar flicker
!oil
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limber lion
<@165215952479322112> no shadow core oil and phantom fire?
No. Currently Stones/Spectral agi wins. But Push is right, with the Venthyr changes it could very well change. Sim yourself.
shadow helm
WAT GUD NAMEPLATE S BRO
terse ice
while in theory venthyr is best i feel like it gets punished quite a lot (more than other covenants) for not perfect play around its abilities.. do you guys agree?
limber lion
while in theory venthyr is best i feel like it gets punished quite a lot (more t...
Yes.
terse ice
i wonder if i am good enough to make it worth ^^
limber lion
Anyone can :)
agile geode
Is raidbot updated for 9.0.5?
iron orchid
Tuesday is a fucking useless day, I just spend it waiting for 9.0.5 and my vault
iron orchid
Is raidbot updated for 9.0.5?
It is not yet iirc
but will be when US servers go live again after reset
that's what is written when you open raidbots
agile geode
Kk thx
limber lion
Tuesday is a fucking useless day, I just spend it waiting for 9.0.5 and my vault
Same.
iron orchid
Same.
I was just checking your rio and armory, I want the same dagger bro
stuck with those 213/210 x)
The 190 MA ring makes me sad tho
A 235 one would make you 225 Ilvl x)
viral aurora
Fellas, how's the cov switch atm? Is it bearable?
limber lion
I was just checking your rio and armory, I want the same dagger bro
:D yeah, I just go with Zoldyck in m+ for now because I got 235 Zoldy's and it's just easier to play with em. Still like using MA in ToP.
iron orchid
:D yeah, I just go with Zoldyck in m+ for now because I got 235 Zoldy's and it's...
I got 235 MA bracers and 235 Zold, I think I'll only play MA in keys starting wednesay, I need to train because we need more ST burst now in High keys
slender berry
I can't wait for the vault to disappoint me again now that I can get 233 items but I wont
iron orchid
If I could burst prides down instead of having our boomie do it, this would be a gain
limber lion
I got 235 MA bracers and 235 Zold, I think I'll only play MA in keys starting we...
Yeah I like MA because it's really good for bosses/pride, but it often results in a little less overall damage
iron orchid
But rn in 20s, I can't burst enough with low ilvl daggers, a bad covenant and playing Zold
limber lion
And with pugs, less overall damage = worse player
iron orchid
And with pugs, less overall damage = worse player
true
But I don't do pug anymore, should be fine
cunning surge
So basically, MA for coordinated groups and Zold for pugs as a whole?
limber lion
Because they usually fail to recognize how much damage you did to prides/bosses whilst they spent all their time padding on trash
Yeah, MA is really good for non-pugs imo
iron orchid
What I need to find is more vers, to tank some abilities better
limber lion
So basically, MA for coordinated groups and Zold for pugs as a whole?
Pretty much, but you can still play MA in keys.
Especially in higher keys where pride starts killing people even through cooldowns, it's so worth playing MA
If your team handles aoe well that is
If it's on the low side then meh
cunning surge
Oh that's what I mean, like if you have a good guild group or w/e with people you know it's more useful in there rather than a PUG compared to Zold, is what I'm feeling
limber lion
Yep
sour gorge
what stats do we take on doomsblade? haste + poly?
cunning surge
It can depend on how you sim but yeah I went H/C
sour gorge
yeah sorry, I mean vers
limber lion
Oh lol
sour gorge
I'm still waiting because I play most of time in RBG and I don't know if I have to switch venthyr
iron orchid
what stats do we take on doomsblade? haste + poly?
Sim yourself, both haste/crit and haste/vers should be fine
You can sim tonight
pliant sequoia
kinda hyped to see assa logs now
dim rampart
Do you know at what time sims will be update ?
quiet escarp
should be able to use ptr="1" to sim yourself
dim rampart
Ok ty, can't wait for trying all the new settings :D
dim rampart
should be able to use ptr="1" to sim yourself
Also true yep
vapid canopy
Sorry if this is a silly question but do you guys think assa will be more viable after patch?
for PvE
potent gorge
Soo after 9.0.5 we all go vent? 🤣
vapid canopy
Really? 🥺 im so excited haha
strange python
Renown Grind sucks...
surreal hawk
yes it does
potent gorge
The new flagelation seems insane though
The instant haste is as much as a 210 quantum device
wooden kiln
Hello
@limber lion I saw you went vent on rio, do you have any feedbacks already? how fun is it, what are the strenghts? Does it seems to really be the go to covenant if we want to be competitive?
subtle tundra
there's nothing to say cause new vent ability isnt in the game yet
limber lion
Hello
<@!165215952479322112> I saw you went vent on rio, do you have any feedbac...
Currently Venthyr is really bad, but with the reset that's happening in less than 24 hours, it will be really good.
It's easily the best covenant for ST and it should perform well on AoE as well.
wooden kiln
Thanks for your advices!
Another question, what should the opener looks like with flagellation in it? Do you have any idea? And should we always line it up with Vendetta?
strange python
Do i get renown in mythic dungeons?
outer siren
Yup
surreal hawk
yes you do but its very slow in comparison to spamming HC dungeons
limber lion
Thanks for your advices!
Another question, what should the opener looks like wi...
With MA as well:
Mut - snd - mut - gar - flag - rupture - shiv - vendetta - muti - vanish - env - mut - mut/enc
strange python
Ah ok thx
celest ruin
pls dont nerf flag pls dont nerf flag
limber lion
You should line it up if you don't lose out on a cast. So on shorter boss fights it's always worth to line it up.
But if you get say 4 casts and miss out on a 5th cast because of lining it up, it's not worth it
gentle gyro
flag before vendetta?
outer siren
Flag will be nerfed, join the covenentless brotherhood to protest
Stand United brethren
hollow chasm
So I switch to venthyr and do the intro quest line. I do the 3 WQ in revendreth as part of the intro to callings and I open the bag you get
limber lion
flag before vendetta?
That's a good point, Vendetta might be before flag. Not 100% sure yet on the TC on it
gentle gyro
my idea would've been
mut - snd - mut - gar - vendetta - flag - rup - shiv ~~~~~
coral pawn
WTF HOW DID YOU GET THE QUEST FOR THE 3 WQs
gentle gyro
i got it today as well after writing ~5 tickets
and the first chapter is still not marked as completed but at least I can continue the campaign
hollow chasm
I literally just switched covenants and I the intro quest line led to this quest
coral pawn
im stuck on common grounds...prince wont got upstaris
hollow chasm
I didn't even know it dorpped a conduit 
gentle gyro
@coral pawn i had the exact same problem
took 5 fucking days to get sorted out
only way is to write a ticket
hollow chasm
damn, that sucks 
coral pawn
i have a ticket right now...15 hour
gentle gyro
be very clear on what the problem is
coral pawn
hours
late bolt
im stuck on common grounds...prince wont got upstaris
same rip
coral pawn
i already got the automated response...look on the forums
waiting on a live GM
imma be fucking pissed if i cant get it sorted out by tomorrow
progging mythic counsel
grim hornet
so guys, for MM dena is still zoldyck the pick or doomblade?
rigid tartan
zoldyck for sure right?
slender berry
Zoldyck for dena yea
normal mist
Yeah a lot of people switching to venthyrs, some to boneguys
Others remaining nfae for pvp purposes
And kyrians crying
leaden plinth
Sin viability
valid ruin
This was what i new when i choose to go venthyr from the first day 😛
normal mist
I chose venthyrs day1 and switched to nfae when I was renown 31 already
Cause of pvp
leaden plinth
Its almost they wanted to make venthyr sin the best rogue spec all of a sudden
U think its gonna be enough?
normal mist
I believe it might get nerfed BUT as everyone says: Exploiter still exists, convokes still exist, etcetc
So who knows
scenic kelp
are we going with double ap, double oil or 50/50 on weapons?
rigid tartan
double oil
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strange python
Nah honestly I don’t see a nerf
Fire mage
Convoke
Affli lock
Mm Hunter
If they nerf us I will take it personally
heady kayak
!wa
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indigo mulch
Affli locks and bomies are stupidly strong. MM is fine if you ask me.
celest ruin
is it 1 week or 2 weeks to go back to a previously joined covenant?
rigid tartan
2
gentle gyro
basically one reset
so if you wanna swap back to something, best do it on a tuesday / wednesday
rigid tartan
thats just a difference in semantics but you get to join back in the next reset. fill bar in week 1, fill bar again week 2 and then you rejoin
yes
indigo mulch
o0?
Why is that exactly? D:
I'm also curious to see how good scundrel preforms on 2 target cleave compared to zoldycks and doomblade. :c
whole lantern
Hi guys, it would be better to switch to Venthyr (never going Venthyr before) now or after the patch ?
coral pawn
now
rigid tartan
But if a melee is near ranges in ST that's a no go
melee should be ahead ranges in order for the classes to be balanced imo
coral pawn
do it and run m0s LFR raid for renown
willow inlet
Assa seems stronger than both sub and outlaw for ST now right?
uneven summit
Not sure to make Doomblade or Dashing
coral pawn
ive gotten to renown 15 without the campaign just doing m0 world tour and lfr
rigid tartan
i havent gotten a single renown during the first 4 bosses i killed in lfr and then i got like back to back renown drops with a few exceptions for the other 6
rigid tartan
ive gotten renown at first two bosses back to back in one wing and no renown on last
no renown from sire lfr also
fallow notch
How big is the % increase in dps with Venthyr Sin compared to next week? I did first reclear yesterday with current Flag and like 14 renown and was already somewhat close to my best parses
gentle gyro
next week will be a banger, but current flag should be worse than NF
rigid tartan
500 dps on my character if i put in ptr=1 compared to current
gentle gyro
so if you parse better now it's you playing better or some other circumstances
because current flag is, uh, "meh"
strange python
Less people playing sin
I really like flag it’s interesting to use
The way it is now
Just sucks in terms of damage
rigid tartan
because current flag is, uh, "meh"
true, i simmed dps now with current flag then ofc its 500 dps in comparison to same conduit setup next week
strange python
Does the new flag give a combo point
coral pawn
wait...if im renown 15 i got renown off 7 bosses in lfr
gentle gyro
renown is random
dark token
I did 10 keys and went renown 16->18
coral pawn
each m0 gave me 1 renown
dark token
gentle gyro
i just did LFR and one heroic, basically got renown from each boss / dungeon
fallow notch
so if you parse better now it's you playing better or some other circumstances
I did play fine i'd say but i didnt sim Better, just better than expected
indigo mulch
I'm not going to lie, but i really enjoy the weapon animation when you use flag lol
or weapon changes rather
eternal wave
How much Haste ya'll sitting on?
tender sequoia
Are you high level sins?
wise gull
i just did a normal sludgefist for practice, coming from sub
and i did more damage than ive ever done as sub
tender sequoia
Do you come fine through endgame content?
wise gull
iron orchid
How much Haste ya'll sitting on?
24 to 27 depending on what I do
jade coral
How much Haste ya'll sitting on?
3% 😭
indigo mulch
o_O
iron orchid
Do you come fine through endgame content?
well yeah fine
jade coral
I'm not going to lie, but i really enjoy the weapon animation when you use flag ...
I was just thinking this! lol
it looks really good 🙂
indigo mulch
I know right!
indigo mulch
i've been a ww monk more than half this tier i'm just getting back to rogue lyfe ;c
We finally got ourself a brewmaster monk so i don't have to play WW anymore.
iron orchid
gentle gyro
9% mastery 
iron orchid
crit/haste/mast/vers
gentle gyro
ah okay
wooden kiln
Hello again guys, if i plan on going full time sin (raid and m+), should I prio Zoldyck leggo and then Doomblade for single target? Or put them both rank 1 before pushing them?
iron orchid
Hello again guys, if i plan on going full time sin (raid and m+), should I prio ...
Which boss are you progressing on, do you already have other leggos ?
eternal wave
20+'d be nice, sitting on 17 atm
wooden kiln
I have no leggos and we're starting the Mythic ^^
indigo mulch
Doom for raiding i guess, zoldyck for m+
iron orchid
I have no leggos and we're starting the Mythic ^^
I guess for the first few bosses both leggos are really valuable, but if you want one to go M+ too, Zold would be the go to
indigo mulch
I dunno how good scundrel is in aoe though, if its better than doom or not.
iron orchid
So you may want to prio crafting Zold to a higher rank first and then focus on getting domm for pure ST
wooden kiln
So rank 4 zoldyck then only doom?
iron orchid
I dunno how good scundrel is in aoe though, if its better than doom or not.
Whispyr will be resimming all this very soon, but i guess it could be a bit better in 2/3 target cleave, not even sure
iron orchid
Would suggest 225 of each
me too
wooden kiln
I'm gonna go for Zold rank 3 then doomblade then, thanks a lot mates 🙂
iron orchid
You could get Zold to 225 then stop, play with it while you craft doom
cunning surge
I only make up to 225 cause I'm broke baby back bitch 
cunning surge
Yeah that is an option, reminds me to make my daily shadestone
ember pulsar
Boosting with guild is pretty nice
wooden kiln
Zold on legs for stats right?
strange python
Yes
cunning surge
Yeah
strange python
And dooom on gloves
scarlet ferry
What's the best legendary for M+ for Sin? Or is it better to play a different spec?
strange python
MA probably?
cunning surge
I mean, Necro Outlaw is prob best for M+
But Zold/MA is good on M+ as Sin
strange python
From the latest sims @balmy condor put up Dashing seems good
And it’s effect seems like it could be useful in higher keys
iron orchid
From the latest sims <@167090536602140682> put up Dashing seems good
the only downside of dashing is that you most likely won't use many envenoms in 4~5+ targets situations
scarlet ferry
I'd rather not need to swap covs for M+ and raid.
iron orchid
I'd rather not need to swap covs for M+ and raid.
You are NF rn ?
stoic needle
Yeah uh I wouldn't using dashing in keys
stoic needle
I'd rather not need to swap covs for M+ and raid.
Well you don't
carmine raptor
best covenant now for assassin will be necrolord?
slender berry
Isn't dashing scaling worse with extra targets compared to doom blade anyway?
stoic needle
Because you don't envenom in multi target much and you stop mutilating at 4 targets
stoic needle
and best for unitarget?¿
Venthyr with doomblade
slender berry
Don't think there is any scenario where dashing is better
iron orchid
and best for unitarget?¿
venthyr
mental lava
First time playing assassin here, is the energy regen supposed to be this...slow? Or is outlaw just especially spammy
stoic needle
Yes and yes
iron orchid
@stoic needle I have a problem
I find myself simming as if I had 226 daggers
makes me want to cry
stoic needle
ember pulsar
Time for pvp 
teal bloom
My ilevel is 212 and my daggers are 200 and 194 😦 Maybe tomorrow
stoic needle
I'm considering going outlaw loot spec
iron orchid
Time for pvp <:kekw:610125925413289985>
Valor points for 220 will be enough
jade coral
good luck on your chests everyone! 🙂 
slender berry
Without pvp I would be so screwed I still haven't seen a single weapon elsewhere
ember pulsar
Dagger 226>Dagger 220
iron orchid
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jvpkM3YXSJLKyRgdb8cEwv that's ptr, with doomblade on hands, 226/220 daggers (which is doable this week if i get one in the chest and another from Heroic sire or valor)
stoic needle
320 dps 
iron orchid
Dagger 226>Dagger 220
pvp makes me toxic, I don't wanna play this shit
I'm honor capped but my rating is so low I can't upgrade anything
cunning surge
Same honestly
iron orchid
I'm just bad
ember pulsar
I can understand
scarlet ferry
You are NF rn ?
Levelling atm
ember pulsar
Especially when you are not sub player
cunning surge
Honestly any Covenant save for Kyrian is strong for Sin right now, Venth is getting a huge buff tho
coarse coral
How large of an effect does the doomblade armor bugfix make in pve ?
iron orchid
320 dps <:SucksMan:586205462010003456>
On ptr sims do you know if envenom pandemics and sbs procs seal fate as it will be on 9.0.5 ?
stoic needle
I think so
stoic needle
If you used the nightly version
iron orchid
If you used the nightly version
Yup ok
wooden kiln
@iron orchid Do you plan on switching to vent? or not at all?
iron orchid
<@!151426182506610688> Do you plan on switching to vent? or not at all?
I just switched to necro, personal preference :p
stoic needle
cunning surge
Hey, at least SBS will synergize with DB
iron orchid
I wanna try it out, and I'll see for myself in a few weeks whether I wanna go venthyr or not
misty holly
I wanna try it out, and I'll see for myself in a few weeks whether I wanna go ve...
Necrolord is so good. SBS is just the best
cunning surge
I'm still stickin' NF, lovin' the aesthetic and moths
limber lion
On ptr sims do you know if envenom pandemics and sbs procs seal fate as it will ...
No not yet.
iron orchid
<:peepochrist:585733962274570253>
wait for Whispyr's resims with env pandemic and SBS seal fate procs
limber lion
It will be updated on the next nightly build, which is also the 9.0.5 build.
iron orchid
It will be updated on the next nightly build, which is also the 9.0.5 build.
Ok I'm gucci
6.6k going up
Just have to get those weapons x)
cunning surge
God I can't wait to see my DPS on raid night this week
misty holly
God I can't wait to see my DPS on raid night this week
I've been #2 behind our shadowpriest who power infusions himself ><
iron orchid
6.6k going up
oh, and that's with 225 doomblade lel
misty holly
Dont think Im gonna pass him anytime soon
iron orchid
Cannot craft 235 this week
iron orchid
Sp should always PI themselves actually, but getting them more than theirs is kinda bad
limber lion
north basin
!covenant
limber lion
Raider.io thinks I have 3 of 4 Nadjia's soulbinds/conduits active (which I do) but also that I have a Night Fae soulbind active
Hmm
misty holly
Sp should always PI themselves actually, but getting them more than theirs is ki...
If we had any priest healers could ask them for a PI to see what happens. but we dont.
cunning surge
Yeah I was about to say
iron orchid
If we had any priest healers could ask them for a PI to see what happens. but w...
Sad shit
north basin
!medium
cunning surge
Isn't that last one Dreamweaver's final row?
limber lion
Isn't that last one Dreamweaver's final row?
Yes!
cunning surge
RIO is drunk
iron orchid
If we had any priest healers could ask them for a PI to see what happens. but w...
we ran 1 or 2 priests depending on weeks, and I almost never get PIs because fire mages and DKs come first
limber lion
Can't decide which covenant? Just use them all 
misty holly
Can't decide which covenant? Just use them all <:lul:585739277548388352> <:ionwu...
9.3 all covenant abilities unlocked
simultaneously
they've got to top corruption somehow.
cunning surge
9.3 all covenant abilities unlocked
Walking into final raid tier like
misty holly
Do you just randomly have yugioh card images saved for such an occasion? lol
cunning surge
Nah I just grabbed it from google
Honestly the amount of Offensive CDs everyone would have would be stupid
It'd be pretty hilarious
iron orchid
I think the idea of having one covenant and one "allied covenant" from which you could have the souldbind tree is fine
for future patches
but getting the abilities of covenants would be a lot 
misty holly
I think the idea of having one covenant and one "allied covenant" from which you...
I think that's the ripcord
low girder
Lemme stay fae but yoink flag off venthyr kthx
cunning surge
Flag looking pretty tasty ngl
Honestly I feel the only way they can save Sin's Kyrian problem is have 2 random CPs be targeted instead of just 1 because of Seal Fate
Otherwise it's never gonna go off, at least reliably
misty holly
Honestly I feel the only way they can save Sin's Kyrian problem is have 2 random...
The combo point minigame isnt fun for anyone. Just make next finisher 7 points
It needs the buff now anyways
Fae probably does too
cunning surge
I mean it's at least more consistent on Sub and Outlaw, but with Seal Fate, trying to hit that spot is gonna be more trouble than it's worth
lilac sparrow
Any synerge between sbs and fixed envenom pandemic?
cunning surge
Fae feels fine where it is, Sepsis has strong interaction at least with Shiv
cunning surge
Soulbinds and Soulshape, but yeah
Niya is strong, and Korayn is a very good option for keys
opal aurora
!opner
dim rampart
Burrs in ST raid hm can do 7% damage on boss for me, it's pretty good. And with Korayn also nice for mm+, still wondering if the covenant change will be a good moove
cunning surge
Yeah Burrs surprisingly, pulls it's weight HARD
cunning surge
I get around 5-6%, somewhere in that range
slender berry
its either rng or youre not playing correctly so your other dmg is weaker in comparison
cunning surge
Yeah I'm unsure of the PPM for Burrs but it does go off a lot for me, also I was wrong it's more in the 4% range with a +- of .5%
Still a good chunk tho
ornate dawn
Quick question for you all when do you normally use your pot in the opener, been playing around with some timings
limber lion
Quick question for you all when do you normally use your pot in the opener, been...
I normally slap it on just before Vendetta.
Or 1s pre-pull because I'm lazy
spice spire
ornate dawn
I guess then slice and dice will be up, more autos more chance of procs
limber lion
I guess then slice and dice will be up, more autos more chance of procs
That's the thing, we don't use shadowcore oil/fire potions
We use stones and spectral agi
ornate dawn
nou
limber lion
Phantom Fire is just worse.
I'll actually sim the consumables with the ptr changes and see how they stack up
Phantom Fire might pull ahead with Venthyr
!oil
prisma monolithBOT
Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ
rigid tartan
it sims better before ptr changes though as assa. Don't know why
limber lion
With my current profile for 9.0.5, it still sims worse
Phantom Fire also has a lot of variance, so unless it's simming a lot higher for you, I wouldn't recommend it.
rigid tartan
just checked... on hungering it only procced 5 times for 20k total... that seems pretty low
simple kettle
is the doomblade armor fix a dps upgrade?
limber lion
is the doomblade armor fix a dps upgrade?
Yes, a massive one at that.
simple kettle
Yes, a massive one at that.
so, the sims are with that fix or without?
Btw, coz u can get Maim Mangle conduit at 226. Dont u think could be bis conduit with doomblade?
limber lion
so, the sims are with that fix or without?
With the fix.
No, Lashing Scars is the best conduit for Venthyr.
misty holly
No, Lashing Scars is the best conduit for Venthyr.
I wonder how Maim compares to lethal poisons with doomblade
simple kettle
yeah exactly
cunning surge
Nah, I think even a 200 WPS will beat out a 226 MM, honestly
But it's still worth a test I feel
lilac sparrow
sbs dot counted as bleed for doomblade bonus?
cunning surge
Yep
lilac sparrow
wow
limber lion
WPS is still better than Maim Mangle, yes.
Lethal Poisons is the go-to on heavy AoE situations.
cunning surge
Even moreso than Poisoned Katar?
lilac sparrow
can't believe necro is slightly weaker than venthyr even tho it has lots of synerge
dense hamlet
flag is pog
cunning surge
Well, I think it's mostly because Flag's buff is REALLY strong and Venth has stronger Soulbinds overall iirc
simple kettle
yeah, but Flag does a lot of dmg per slash
but im going necro just coz the doomblade 5% more dmg envenom
lilac sparrow
anyway I go venthyr 🙂 loved in burst
misty holly
can't believe necro is slightly weaker than venthyr even tho it has lots of syne...
People sleeping on that 10 second life from Heimir. Imagine getting first Denathrius kill as last person alive bc of that soulbind.
You would be the guild hero for years
violet hemlock
we have evasion for that
simple kettle
then u have evasion, cheat death and heimir xD
cunning surge
For our guild, our AoTC kill had only our Prot Pally alive because of Ashen Hallow + Bubble
simple kettle
better 3 than 2 😉
lilac sparrow
I moved venthyr already and got 29 renown this week. I really don't want to do this shit again 🙂
heavy skiff
we have evasion for that
Then imagine getting the kill as the last person alive for 20 sec xD
royal lantern
if you DIDNT do a progress kill as last man standing with evasion
you are not a rogue
dim temple
Is ventyr stil bis ?
lilac sparrow
for ST
dim temple
K
tender fjord
I killed heroic sire with the paladin healer whilst in my 10 seconds of afterlife because of heirmir soulbind
Not a prog kill tho
But rogue last man standing is the way
craggy kiln
We had me on cheat death and a mage in pod on our first kill
lilac sparrow
when I tried Sunking, we saw 3rd mantle on last phase. I thought CoS can save me and prepared to be a hero.. but....
iron orchid
I killed heroic sire with the paladin healer whilst in my 10 seconds of afterlif...
The first down of heroic sire we did, we had trained for 3 evenings and I hadn't died once, but I died on p2 just this one try
cunning surge
That's how it goes
tender fjord
Hahah I know the feeling. Being last man standing for most pulls but dying on the kill
cunning surge
You go ham as fuck, dodge Crescendos and Massacres for DAYS
And then the one pull where it would matter...
tender fjord
Thinking you can cloak soak whilst cloak is still on cd
heavy skiff
Blizz:spec is bad
do nothing
spec is still bad
:O
Life as a sub rogue
tender fjord
After just chain pulling everything gets fuzzy
lilac sparrow
When NA reset? can't wait Raidbot 9.05 live
warm dawn
Hi guys, sorry to cut in like that, but do you have a macro to put your ambush on mutilate binding and make it appear while there is a blindside proc?
tender fjord
Why don’t you guys make a blizz complaint instead of typing that weird shit here?
simple kettle
how can i compare sims in raidbot?
cunning surge
I actually got hit by Shattering and my SS was on CD and I was just "...Fuck"
violet hemlock
na reset in 2h and 21m
onyx wind
So basically these notes are final
cunning surge
P much
onyx wind
Not that they cant hotfix later but
tender fjord
Hi guys, sorry to cut in like that, but do you have a macro to put your ambush o...
You can but it’s not recommended per se
onyx wind
Would have to be a really important huge thing they missed to get added in 2 hrs LOL
shadow helm
SBS GOOD?
cunning surge
Yeah we should EXPECT that everything that has been noted to be implemented in the next few hours
SBS Synergizes with DB, so but I think it's also getting buffed in general??
onyx wind
Only the initial damage
So its not that much better in a raid scenario than it was
Apart from working with DB that is
warm dawn
You can but it’s not recommended per se
well i guess i'll keep it on another bind then
merry fox
prisma monolithBOT
Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
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fading wigeon
Where does Lashing scars drop?
gusty mirage
World boss
limber lion
Sire, callings, wb
iron orchid
Only the initial damage
combo point generation will be better, and it can proc seal fate
limber lion
Ven'ari
sweet trellis
if you have 5 combopoints and shiv ready would you first use shiv for the dmg bonus or envenom to not waste that one combopoint?
gusty mirage
And on reset, denathrius
limber lion
Only the initial damage
Also scales off of Assa's mastery now.
onyx wind
Oh, yea
cunning surge
if you have 5 combopoints and shiv ready would you first use shiv for the dmg bo...
Yeah, getting an extra Envenom during Shiv's window is worth more than that 1 CP
onyx wind
Either way, Venthyr is a lot better on ST
sweet trellis
ty
limber lion
Hell yeah, Venthyr gang
cunning surge
np!!
onyx wind
And the situations where SBS are better than venthyr in a raid scenario are pretty limited
Prob better on fights such as huntsman only
And then its not even better by that much
limber lion
SLG, Huntsman and Sun King pretty much
cunning surge
Huntsman and Sunking yeah
limber lion
But honestly with how fast the Huntsman fight is, Venthyr might pull ahead
gusty mirage
Any fights with adds/cleave which is a lot of fights in CN
tender fjord
They’re close enough that people spend all day in here debating between the two
iron orchid
Idk if its even better on sun king
I'm pretty sure it is not
tender fjord
So that should also tell you something for now
onyx wind
What pieces of gear can u craft dashin on?
iron orchid
What pieces of gear can u craft dashin on?
boots and huh
iron orchid
just craft DS on boots x)
cunning surge
I think they mean moreso in DPS in most situations
iron orchid
boots or back @onyx wind
onyx wind
In the legendary sims, are the pieces of gear that legendaries are on accounted for?
cunning surge
Like one will beat out the other in certain situations, but overall you can go either
cunning surge
Kyrian is just the one Covenant that you don't want to really go for as Sin
solid vapor
In twisting corridors, can I get doom blade first time@going in if I get mortregar? Or do I have to clear first 2 then hope I get on the 3rd
gusty mirage
Venthyr and SBS are nowhere near eachother LOL
160 damage between the two ST is pretty “near each other”
iron orchid
In the legendary sims, are the pieces of gear that legendaries are on accounted ...
I think yes, Whispyr runs his bis setup, he uses 233 pieces when it's better, and adapts legendary slots accordingly
onyx wind
160 damage is like 8 sockets
tender fjord
The guy is a contrarian fml
gusty mirage
Okay?
onyx wind
But i guess its subjective
gusty mirage
160 dps is not significant enough to use the words “nowhere near each other” lol
limber lion
I do consider 160 dps a lot.
solid vapor
Can anyone help me understand twisting corridors?
cunning surge
Honestly I wish I understood TC
gusty mirage
Can anyone help me understand twisting corridors?
Sure
solid vapor
I just don’t know, if im going in first time ever like floor 1.... can I get doom blade? If it’s mortregar
Or do I have to clear floor 1-2 and hope door 3
onyx wind
I dont know if you can get them in twisting corridors
tender fjord
160dps is a bit, but it’s for a specific SIM. Imo it’s to close to call a certain overall ‘bis’. We’ll see how it plays out is more my stance
calm gazelle
go out and in again trying to get the correct one
solid vapor
Like floor 1 I can?
I know I can get them in TC just wondering if I have to waste time clearing 2 floors
calm gazelle
i dont know if you need layer 3 for leggos
sand dirge
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4MyjvYu1JpDxisjzagvKn2
lashing venthyr is a 200 dps gain with my gear
solid vapor
In TC to?
onyx wind
So if they do drop in twisting corridors, u prob just have to get them at some point
With a boss that is
But again, i dont know if they drop from there
inner granite
Do we know the value sbs brings to sin w/ doomblade?
nocturne hawk
ahhh yes 
just enough to not have to do boregast before raid today
inner granite
Sims show it 200 behind venthyr w/ lashing, but how close would that gap close with doomblade & sbs?
spark grail
guys, the synergy between doomblade lego and necro SBS is this potentially gonna be bis for st?
calm gazelle
you can 100% get leggos in tc
onyx wind
Sims show it 200 behind venthyr w/ lashing, but how close would that gap close w...
Noone really knows until the fixes are implemented in sims
Which they seem to be
inner granite
Im going to be playing both outlaw and sin going forward, just having a tough time picking between venthyr and necro
spark grail
Im going to be playing both outlaw and sin going forward, just having a tough ti...
im in this same boat
im thinking necro
teal bloom
Night fae soulshape is too good for me to swap
spark grail
but im so uneducated, the doomblade synergy just seems decent
inner granite
more mobility on class with a ton of mobility
onyx wind
SBS+Doomblade means +5% dmg to eviscerate, yea?
onyx wind
And prob a few more eviscerate casts compared to venthyr
since u get free combo points
inner granite
it would give you 20% bonus damage to envenom
spark grail
so up to 20% afaik
inner granite
Garrote, rupture, doomblade bleed, sbs
onyx wind
You can look at some logs and do some quick napkin math
But its probably not a big difference
spark grail
ontop of the fact that sbs gives you a shit ton of free combo points
the difference is not being venth when you do your weekly keys as an outlaw
thats where my loyalty lies
onyx wind
Afaik venthyr doesnt work with blade flurry, which is why its even close
gusty mirage
Good pride damage with venthyr which is pepega
onyx wind
If they decide to fix that sometime soon, venthyr outlaw might be bonkers
gusty mirage
If they made flag flurry, outlaw would be legitimately busted
inner granite
honestly that probably won't get changed
spark grail
man the spanner in the works might be that sub still outperforms assa after the buffs
and then we are giga fucked
necor plays so badly with sub
onyx wind
No way
inner granite
sub does not outperform sin currently
spark grail
yeh i know
inner granite
not even after these buffs, its not even close
fallow glacier
Sub
spark grail
but like if next teir bosses favour sub
onyx wind
Sub will never be allowed to be better
spark grail
with short burst windows like sunking or something
inner granite
sub will never beat sin as long as these aura buffs persist
onyx wind
Yea, i feel like venthyr sin is gonna get out of control at some point
If it isnt already
solid vapor
@gusty mirage yea I figured it would be layer 3.... but I was meaning does it matter if I get it on floor 1? Bc there are 8 floors with 18 layers each right?
spark grail
so if i was to start playing rogue like mines jsut hit 60
should i be playing necro or venth if i care only about raid margins
silent breach
is ventir still looking best after this SBS "fix" ?
onyx wind
should i be playing necro or venth if i care only about raid margins
Venthyr
solid vapor
What’s is sbs fix?
gusty mirage
<@192059095279337473> yea I figured it would be layer 3.... but I was meaning do...
Yeah 18 layers each, if you’re looking to farm specifically legendaries just keep running out at floor one until you get the one you need. Unless you want to do the entire floor to completion toward the mount or something
spark grail
even with the sbs synergy with doomblade
rigid tartan
Which they seem to be
are these fixes in the sims yet? if they are not is it possible necro pulls ahead of venthyr with doomblade?
onyx wind
If you think about it, its not likely
solid vapor
@gusty mirage nah I could care less about the mount lol... just want leggo
onyx wind
How many
gusty mirage
<@192059095279337473> nah I could care less about the mount lol... just want leg...
Yeah man just keep requeuing it’s miserable 😂 all 18 can take over an hour total
inner granite
take a 5min boss fight?
onyx wind
Sure
onyx wind
Isnt SBS 30 second cd?
tender fjord
First is 2, 3 if it crits
onyx wind
5 minutes is 300 seconds
tender fjord
2nd is 3, 4 if it crits
onyx wind
so u get around 12 casts
timber gale
I wish all Assassination rogues a very Higher DPS today
inner granite
right, could also pair mut + sbs
onyx wind
Sure but lets not overcomplicate it too much
inner granite
for very fast envenoms during shiv window
fossil lily
Hey, I'm a new player, I've been looking for a while for what covenant would be the best for assassination, I'm eating my brain, can someone shed some light on the matter?
outer siren
You boys ready to be over powered in 8 hours?
onyx wind
Either way, lets say youre not playing doomblade, how much % of our damage would envenom be now
vagrant brook
if im NF Outlaw and looking into Sin for raids + Outlaw for m+/cleave, what covenant should i consider? 
spark grail
@onyx wind if you do play assa as a venth do you even play doomblade?
solid vapor
I’m also necro lol just for the feels of fun and I don’t have a necro character..... it’s not to far behind right? Lol
timber gale
@fossil lily they’re all close but it seems venthyr and necrolord are best atm
tender fjord
Necro for outlaw is very good
gusty mirage
Hey, I'm a new player, I've been looking for a while for what covenant would be ...
I’d wait until the changes go live on raidbots and do a top gear sim to see which one performs best for you tbh
onyx wind
<@!224128570472136714> if you do play assa as a venth do you even play doomblade...
Doomblade or dashing scoundrel yea
timber gale
Venthyr is best overall with Necro beating it out on some aoe content but not all
tender fjord
And isn’t noticeably behind for sin as well imo
tender fjord
I’d wait until the changes go live on raidbots and do a top gear sim to see whic...
This tbh
onyx wind
Venthyr is very good on ST and somewhat equal to SBS in dungeon slice
if not better
in sustained cleave 3-5 targets SBS is better
fossil lily
I don't think any of my friends will play necro, so it might be a good option for me to be a necro, right?
onyx wind
But those scenarios almost never occur outside of like 1-2 raid bosses a tier
tender fjord
I don't think any of my friends will play necro, so it might be a good option fo...
Yes
thorny pond
Boss damage is always relevant
crystal blaze
i'm gonna wait 1 or 2 weeks before swapping covenant, i have a bad feeling about venthyr getting nerfed after a few days
hope i'm wrong tho
reef axle
If you want to be a necrolord noone is gonna murder u
Probably because they’re already dead.
cunning surge
That's a fair concern
pliant nest
i think its likely to get nerfed in pvp
thorny pond
Not world breaking compared to some covenants and classes
cunning surge
Not world breaking compared to some covenants and classes
Lookin' at you, NF Druid/Hunter
thorny pond
They don't see it a problem every hunter is NF and DPS warrior venth
uneven summit
Shouldnt signia of alacrity be quite strong for us atm?
fossil lily
I have a rogue recently lvl 60 and as a necro has bleeding damage because I thought it could be good with the legendary to increase the damage of envenom with bleeds
onyx wind
I actually have no idea what that is
thorny pond
Also if they want parity among covs inside of classes, letting venth be slightly ahead is good since not everyone will swap from kyrian and NF
thorny pond
Casual players and alts probably won't. It's a grind again they'd rather not do
Which is a big enough % of the player base
cedar hare
im so ready, currently renown rank 28
thorny pond
I'll pass on the hot takes
onyx wind
And its based on STATISTICS AND DATA
thorny pond
Sure. Hes never wrong. Except all his past videos aren't relevant to his track record because reasons. Good for him getting viewers but hot takes are dumb
fossil lily
someone out of curiosity has any simulation or something?
ornate dawn
Check the pins
brittle pawn
We live in a simulation
fossil lily
We live in a simulation
XDXD
cunning surge
brittle pawn
Necro
thorny pond
Don't hate him at all. He's a nice dude. Just remember when we all thought sub was gonna be bae?
strange python
Whats the optimal covenant for necro ST?
Heirmir gemstones afaik
brittle pawn
Pin says heim
spark grail
@ornate dawn IM GOING VENTH DUDE
Venth is not far behind sbs for outlaw in dungeon slice
solid vapor
I don’t like how they aren’t giving a charge back when someone gets full healed as necro... for pvp atleast
But I like necro
onyx wind
With doomblade
Venthyr sims ~~200dps higher than necro for me
AND MY CHARACTER
But i doubt changing gear will make up for a 200 dps increase
@inner granite
inner granite
Thats strange that the difference remains nearly the same with doomblade
interesting
I'll stay venthyr for now boyos
Made the change a couple weeks ago in prep of 9.0.5
umbral sky
How much better is venthyr compared to NF?
potent gorge
Soo vent bis confirmed?
brittle pawn
How much better is venthyr compared to NF?
7
potent gorge
What about aoe,that haste buff seems nutty
iron orchid
so probably the go to
iron orchid
What about aoe,that haste buff seems nutty
haste buff and soulbinds can fit aoe well
You get nice prio damage on the target you flag too
onyx wind
How much better is venthyr compared to NF?
Its gooder
tender fjord
If you decide on your health insurance within 5 minutes don’t even bother looking at the pins
Just rng that shit
onyx wind
Flip a 4sided coin or smth
gusty mirage
If you decide on your health insurance within 5 minutes don’t even bother lookin...
Hence why I started off as venthyr to begin with 
Enjoy that renown grind boys, I’m walking back to 26 renown and an almost fully upgraded sanctum 
frozen jasper
I am a little worried if theotar is a bit simbait because of the mastery zones
torn atlas
Ran first m+ since switching back Venth from Fae and didn't even notice much dip, if any in performance.
frozen jasper
For aoe that is
torn atlas
So figure it's only gonna get better with patch.
brittle pawn
Ran first m+ since switching back Venth from Fae and didn't even notice much dip...
Because all covenants are close anyway
tender fjord
Hence why I started off as venthyr to begin with <:omegalul:585734084777476096>
I went necro because I liked the cinematic on YT and thought the zone was amazing when I started questing there
thorny pond
Because all covenants are close anyway
But what about this super niche scenario? Won't SBS pull ahead?
tender fjord
Was doubting to go venthyr but that door of shadows was hot garbage I had to get away from
onyx wind
I am a little worried if theotar is a bit simbait because of the mastery zones
Mastery zone lands at ur feet
gusty mirage
It’ll still be hot garbago
cunning surge
Honestly that's how I was with NF
I saw the moths and I was just like "Sign me the fuck up"
torn atlas
Because all covenants are close anyway
Yeah for sure. I guess I did play Venth as Sub so it's not a direct comparison, but now that I've opened up more of the soulbind tree, and playing Sin now, it feels pretty good even before the changes. First two months it felt garbage.
frozen jasper
Mastery zone lands at ur feet
Oh good to know
gloomy fern
thorny pond
7k gang put your hands up
reef axle
Hmmm went with haste vers gloves over haste crit, now I’m wondering if I should of went haste crit...,. That being said the difference between the two will be extremely minor won’t it?
thorny pond
How are u hitting 7k wtf
Through God anything is possible. Write that down.
cunning surge
I think the difference is fairly minor yeah
frozen jasper
Hmmm went with haste vers gloves over haste crit, now I’m wondering if I should ...
Doesnt really matter tbh
limber lion
I'm a tryhard and I only sim 6750-6800.
torn atlas
0.1% isn't minor
limber lion
It's gonna be a long day tomorrow.
torn atlas
It's negligible.
limber lion
A lot of simming and planning
brittle pawn
Try harderer on your sims
onyx wind
I also only sim 6.7-6.8k
thorny pond
Better potency conduits? Get 226 lashing or something
onyx wind
That is with 226 lashing and doomblade
thorny pond
Simgame means you can be utter shite at the game but swing your 7k # ego around
limber lion
Gonna need a 233 weapon, 226 Phial and 226 gear all around
onyx wind
^same
strange trail
since Doomblade is bis now for single, we going elaborate planning or gonna still use blindside ?
limber lion
I'm 255.8 ilvl, I thought I was up there but I guess not lol
limber lion
since Doomblade is bis now for single, we going elaborate planning or gonna stil...
BS for ST, EP for AoE
onyx wind
255 damn