wtf really?
#assassination
lament mica
stoic needle
there goes 10k anima 
uneven summit
Everyone going venthyr for 9.0.5?
honest karma
Wait what anima thing?
lament dove
you could have transferred the anima^^
dawn belfry
whats the "anima thing"
lament mica
anima thing?!
stoic needle
you can buy cosmetics from your old covenant and refund them when you switch to the new one
dawn belfry
o god i am sad now
balmy condor
i forgot to do the anima thing <:pain:627137162332209163>
Oh no! What ever will you do now that you don’t have.... uh.... a transport network that doesn’t take you anywhere important...... or uh.......... an extra world quest?
lament mica
think of all the cosmetics he's missing out on
stoic needle
i want that oribos portal wdym
lament mica
and all the tea parties
dawn belfry
you also have to get 300 anima to deposit for the beginning quest
now he has zero
rip
stoic needle
nah
balmy condor
Covenants upgrade are useless trash can’t convince me otherwise
stoic needle
i was already venthyr before
lament mica
lol sounds like sum1 who has never gotten 3 lost soles for free from NF garden
stoic needle
gaming
lament dove
not sure about the others because I didn't check, but you can get like 5+ mounts from necro stitchyard
dawn belfry
a prophet truly
balmy condor
I have a hearthstone for that
lament dove
me too, in the covenant hall:P
stoic needle
hearthstone in covenant hall is too nice not to use
lowkey considering swapping back eventually to get that anima ;-;
lament mica
just leave it, this xpac has a ton of time left u will switch back to NF at some point guaranteed
stoic needle
emphasis on eventually lol
lament mica
facts
stoic needle
at least all of my covenant followers are still leveled
the mission table is the main way i get anima anyway
limber lion
I was an engineer-hater for the longest time but it's the best profession by far
Wormhole generator to teleport to Oribos (basically a second hearthstone) so you can bind your hearthstone to your sanctum
iron orchid
I think you messed up didn't you ? You were supposed to go necro 
limber lion
So you have 2 hearthstones, one for Ori and one for Rev
And then the auction house in Oribos
And CR's in dungeons
faint harness
Covenants upgrade are useless trash can’t convince me otherwise
facts
i got rank 1 in all buildings
limber lion
Actually useful profession, unlike herbalism, mining, blacksmithing, leatherworking etc
stoic needle
i sit at an herb hyperspawn and pick herbs while I WFH
so it's not completely useless
iron orchid
Actually useful profession, unlike herbalism, mining, blacksmithing, leatherwork...
2-hours flasks
limber lion
2-hours flasks
Yeah, that's why I run Alch/Engi :--)
faint harness
forced into leatherworking to supply legendary vessels
iron orchid
Yeah, that's why I run Alch/Engi :--)
Best shit
lament dove
alch/engi here as well:)
elfin forge
How is the new Bone Spike?
misty holly
How is the new Bone Spike?
still good
iron orchid
How is the new Bone Spike?
Fine
elfin forge
Not bis though?
iron orchid
Will be way better than it is now
elfin forge
yer i prefer bone spike to flag for sure. was just hoping Necrolord is also bis
stoic needle
i think necro and venthyr do their respective niche well enough that you can't really call one bis over the other
elfin forge
single target vs cleave basically?
elfin forge
how are the soulbinds?
stoic needle
they're both kinda meh lol
elfin forge
13% dex buff seems pretty good
iron orchid
Venthyr are a bit too rng for me, while necro are just meh overall
misty holly
feint + fleshcraft means you will be able to just stand in mechanics now and keep pumping! Necro all the way.
iron orchid
13% dex buff seems pretty good
You'd better play heirmir in pretty much all content
elfin forge
yer fleshcraft shits all over door of shadows
balmy condor
Is there a 13% agi buff in necro?
stoic needle
this is so troll
balmy condor
That seems nuts
lament mica
that shield ability is good if ur worrid about dying
elfin forge
unless i misread it haha
elfin forge
yer emeni
stoic needle
feint + fleshcraft means you will be able to just stand in mechanics now and kee...
yeah... no
misty holly
All you need is to average killing 1 mob every 5 seconds and emeni buff is permanent.
stoic needle
lol where do you think you're gonna be killing 1 mob every 5 seconds
misty holly
lol where do you think you're gonna be killing 1 mob every 5 seconds
normal dungeons
limber lion
Hmm
stoic needle
lament mica
stoic needle
awww dammit
lament dove
and you cannot spam spike on a boss every 5 seconds so heirmir wins there
stoic needle
i dont even have the anima to get the lookalikes for my blade cape
lament mica
do the RBG quest
misty holly
i dont even have the anima to get the lookalikes for my blade cape <:Sadge:72211...
world quests are calling!
stoic needle
lament mica
if u win RBG then lose 1 RBG u get 1k anima
stoic needle
wut
lament mica
the weekly is get 1500 honor in RBGs for 750 anima, if u win u get like 1k honor plus win of the day is 250 anima
lament mica
win or lose on the next 1 should get u there
elfin forge
are we waiting 30 secs on Flag to sync it with Vandetta?
gentle gyro
asked the same yesterday
answer is no
because flag counts as a rogue ability and deals mad damage
lament mica
same as always for cds. only wait if ur not gonna get another use
sweet trellis
what does SoD and PE mean?
gentle gyro
https://i.imgur.com/iRAYxcx.png
MY TICKET IS LITERALLY ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO PROGRESS THE CAMPAIGN BECAUSE OF THIS
lament mica
well there's exceptions to that i guess but generally
edgy pawn
what does SoD and PE mean?
symbols of death and planned execution
sweet trellis
ah ty
autumn shoal
@gentle gyro i create a ticket for the exact same thing 5min ago, i hope to not have the same answer
autumn shoal
switched to venthyr yesterday, stucked with 0 quest and 3 renon, 0 soulbind, we good 
gentle gyro
yep, same
elfin forge
do we know if Raid Bots has been updated to account for the latest 300% bone spike base damage buffs?
gentle gyro
this is the third response to my ticket mind you
autumn shoal
oof
gentle gyro
first was an automated message with wowhead links, second response was a GM with wowhead links, and this is the third
vestal wren
DS boys
dark marten
first was an automated message with wowhead links, second response was a GM with...
yeah the famed support of blizz is a memory from golden days you can fondly think of but it's not the case anymore, unfortunately.
torn atlas
first was an automated message with wowhead links, second response was a GM with...
By any chance, are you returning to Venthyr? Had the same issue a few days ago, fortunately for me after a few hours the quest just popped up in my journal (it's just repeating a fill bar% for WQ type thing I think).
I know that obviously doesn't help but seems to be something I've seen pop up more than once now.
gentle gyro
nope, I have not been venthyr before on that character
torn atlas
yeah that's shit.
gentle gyro
and i know which quest is missing and I think i even know why
torn atlas
surely if it's flagged as being completed, a GM could trigger the next quest for you. At least I assume they would have those poweres
gentle gyro
it's just a matter of fixing it
it's marked as completed because i did the equivalent of it for NF
twilit quiver
No soulbind is new meta I guess. And fck all conduits also 
Did a couple of keys like that already to farm renown at the very least, as I am also a chosen one, just as @gentle gyro
celest ruin
oh boy buff to trinkets i will never get 
lament mica
simply no way
low girder
yeah
gentle gyro
the hakkar trinket?
low girder
yes
i worded badly, it's not good for dps
it's more nutty for tanks than phial is for dps
gentle gyro
ah i see
low girder
is what i meant
stoic needle
weird
lament mica
pretty much everything minus IQD got buffed
i think this si their way of nerfing IQD without acutally nerfing it
stoic needle
poor iqd
lament mica
but ill take it
low girder
anything that does dmg
stoic needle
but iqd isnt even worth nerfing lol
low girder
no buffs for heraldry or sheet music either
stoic needle
but it's also kinda inconsistent
low girder
small possibility the execute dmg of it got buffed but
¯_(ツ)_/¯
hard to tell without testing
stoic needle
pretty sure phial/dreadfire is bis over iqd for most physical dps
stoic needle
regardless nerfing trinkets seems like a weird move to me
limber lion
depends on the fight
Pretty much always. The trinket prioritizes restoring mana, healing and removing cc before the execute/stat buff.
You get the stat buff in the beginning, but hardly ever after that.
lament mica
i manage to get good usage out of it by using the WA
sometimes its impossible to get another usage, but its also insane dmg during lust if u need burst for a mechanic
limber lion
Yeah for sure. A weak aura is definitely needed for it.
It's not an awful trinket by any means, it's just really hard to get good consistency out of it
lament mica
ya inconsistent for sure
reef axle
We essentially only need 30 renown for the most efficiency from a dps perspective dont we?
limber lion
We essentially only need 30 renown for the most efficiency from a dps perspectiv...
For ST, yeah
AOE is 34
reef axle
ahhh fair enough
limber lion
At least for Theotar with the Venthyr
wet remnant
So is sin now the to go spec for raid?
reef axle
st wise yes
wet remnant
I still feel like i should stay outlaw for progressin on SLG and Dena
But that sin is tempting
velvet nacelle
i don't think it's gonna blow sub out of the water or anything, but ass is already better than sub for PURE st
i had a pretty good SLG kill on assassination last week, topped my sub kill but it was only heroic
and, to be fair, i've completely checked out on reclears on sub so just playing assassination had me paying more attention
potent barn
For hc sin is ok since it's only 2 targets max
velvet nacelle
i tried sin in a plaguefall 15, didn't feel great for M+ but that wasn't a huge surprise
i mean outlaw is hard to beat in m+
stoic needle
I still feel like i should stay outlaw for progressin on SLG and Dena
Sin is definitely better than outlaw for denathrius
I just finished getting ksm with sin a couple hours ago. Works fine tbh
It's not as good as outlaw but it's good enough
velvet nacelle
@stoic needle first off, congrats
crystal blaze
i watched some current top logs of assa rogue, maybe i'm blind but they didn't seem to use shiv at all during the fight ? Am i missing something ?
wet remnant
@stoic needle But for it to be better dont you need insignia? it seems everyone is going doomblade
stoic needle
i watched some current top logs of assa rogue, maybe i'm blind but they didn't s...
Shiv is bugged in the combat log and doesn't show up in logs
low girder
i watched some current top logs of assa rogue, maybe i'm blind but they didn't s...
the casts tab of WCL doesn't pick up shiv casts, only the damage instances
lament mica
pre-patch sin was 1 of the best melee classes for sire
velvet nacelle
yeah it wasn't bad but i was in a group with an unholy dk and boomie so stuff was generally dying pretty fast so i wasn't really getting to ramp my damage
crystal blaze
ok ok ty
stoic needle
<@!502859708504342538> But for it to be better dont you need insignia? it seems ...
It's probably better with both. But you should use zoldyck on sire yes
velvet nacelle
sin feels great for sire p2 and 3
velvet nacelle
sire p1 you're gonna get beat by monkey cleave boys
stoic needle
And sin does that cleave fine
low girder
sire p1 you're gonna get beat by monkey cleave boys
well one of those monkey cleave boys is about to receive some fat nerfs via bugfixes, so
velvet nacelle
sub didn't really feel great for any fights other than like heroic artificer and darkvein personally
it wasn't AWFUL, but too many of the fights have too much off boss time or timing issues for shadowblades
lament mica
sire p3 is all that matters heroic n mythic
velvet nacelle
i didn't like sub for sludge honestly, sin timings feel better for columns
stoic needle
And sin does some of the best dmg in p3 of all specs in the game
uneven summit
We´re on sludge progression atm, can´t wait for that 4th pillar dmg
lament mica
factuals
stoic needle
Sin is gonna be huge on sludge with doomblade
velvet nacelle
first time i used sin on heroic sire was last week and while i played it poorly, it felt way more fun and efficient than sub
and i never really liked outlaw in raiding
obv some fights are outlaw fights, but i didn't like it enough to use it on primarily ST fights
i'm only gonna be able to make a rank 3 doomblade next week, possibly just a rank 2 if i don't get a soul ash table quest
i'm gonna be at 3190 from just torghast next week
uneven summit
don´t worry ill only be able to make rank 2 😛
stoic needle
I got to do 2 soul ash quests in one week after swapping covenants
uneven summit
Doomblade still best for Night Fae aswell right?
stoic needle
Yep
uneven summit
haste/crit yey?
velvet nacelle
@stoic needle i decided to wait until tuesday to swap... if i get a soul ash mission it'll be a guarantee on NF right now, plus i figure i might as well finish renown 40
crystal blaze
is there a macro for mutilate/ambush that on the same keybind that work for blindside proc ?
Or should i have 2 binds
vestal wren
i didn't like sub for sludge honestly, sin timings feel better for columns
subtlety is possibly slightly better on sludge, all 3 are not super good with cooldown alignment tho
uneven summit
Sub is good for sludge no doubt, however the dots ticking when running and having bad soaks in the melee group is very much a plus for assa i´d say
vestal wren
its possible that assassination now sees more play because its ~5-7% ahead of subtlety
velvet nacelle
@vestal wren i know you're probably right and it's just the "new" factor of playing assassination again now that made it feel better this week
vestal wren
its tuning
velvet nacelle
haven't played assassination in a loooong time, early legion
vestal wren
assassination being at 7.3k for top profile vs. subtlety being at 6.8k
velvet nacelle
so it's just been fun playing it again
uneven summit
wait so Deeper taking over again from vigor?
vestal wren
you can just sim it 😉
uneven summit
Yeah, it´s been like that in previous expansions, as soon as haste gets higher deeper overtakes
trail mica
!oh
prisma monolithBOT
Mutilate requires a dagger in both hands, this makes using a non dagger weapons undesirable.
stoic needle
Fok only
velvet nacelle
haha
shadow helm
big brain moment
jaunty crystal
Just use garrotte and only do one cp ruptures
lament mica
why not
wind nacelle
Just use garrotte and only do one cp ruptures
And envenoms, gotta keep snd up
uneven summit
i remember that brief moment where fok was better than multilate as a energybuilder
hollow barn
That was a legit build in antotus for a couple months
uneven summit
yup
frigid sleet
It was during legion cause of one of the artifact weapons traits
silent dune
I’m looking at some top assassination rogues armory and they’re running around 18-20% haste
Is that all that’s needed?
silent dune
They’re at close to 30% crit and mastery with ~20% haste and 10-15% vers
lament mica
u need exactly 28% crit, 22% haste, 0 mastery, and 11% vers or ur dps goes to shit
silent dune
They’re 99-100 parsing so that has to mean they’re doing something right
tender fjord
They’re 99-100 parsing so that has to mean they’re doing something right
Rotation and anticipation of mechanics
stoic needle
It's not their stat numbers
subtle tundra
once you get to 34% crit mutilate starts giving 5 cp
tender fjord
Gear is no guarantee, it’s either just your randomised loot in the game with what you gotta work
brazen rampart
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
lament mica
rigid tartan
bad time i like mutilate
vestal wren
it was somewhat stupid
vestal wren
KB def. was a interesting ability
north basin
i dont like blindside part of the rotation. running out of free button space
shadow helm
go mp then lmaooo
vestal wren
!bs
prisma monolithBOT
Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message
north basin
i wonder whats the difference between blindside and mp
mb there is no reason to make another button asign xDD
vestal wren
you can sim it
north basin
maybe do later. but roughly estimate?
north basin
if its within 30-40 dps difference i can live with it
vestal wren
you can just use the linked way to bind it to mut if you rly dislike it
i think it makes the rotation slightly better
vocal karma
For me BS is about a 60 DPS increase, but you have to sim this for yourself - In addition, it feels really good to have a builder w/o energy cost, make especially Shiv windows very smooth
cunning surge
Yeah, getting Blindside procs during Shiv's window makes the chance of getting 3 4-5CP Envenoms a lot better
north basin
sounds good. going to find that binding,,
digital zodiac
crit + haste still the play for leggo?
cunning surge
From what people have Gathered here, it's either H/C or H/V, depending on how it sims for you
still agate
Hey assasination friends! do you guys have a number for me of how big of a change 9.0.5 is gonna be for your spec? approximately (considering you switch to the new most optimal spec/legendaries etc)
wise gull
Decided to switch to assa yesterday and didn't even realize cttc was coming back, hell yeah
cunning surge
We should have some sims in the Pinned iirc, and yeah I'm SO HAPPY that CttC is coming back
wise gull
I'm not 100% sure but it's around 5-7% I believe
still agate
at least i couldnt find anything to compoare from live to ptr
stable arch
Assassination: 7314 + 7%
Outlaw: 6939 + 1.5%
Subtlety: 6842
wise gull
There we go
stable arch
this is what i have heard from some guy
storm onyx
eg: 5 % buff, 0,5% buff, no change?
They were explained on the pins in detail afaik
cunning surge
Ahhhh, I gotcha
I'm unsure the exact numbers but yeah, 5% sounds a- Oh there we go
stable arch
but these numbers are plain single target
still agate
They were explained on the pins in detail afaik
i cant find any comparison from live to PTR, but do @stable arch numbers seem correct to you?
yeah, ST is fine
stable arch
i am no expert, you better ask some of the "shadowblades" here in this channel
i just got the numbers from one of them 🙂
native lynx
you can just use the linked way to bind it to mut if you rly dislike it
does that addon/macro result in any lost dps?
because of the button presses
vestal wren
no
still agate
@vestal wren hey, could you check the numbers posted above and tell me if this is aproximately correct? (buff % for ST)
sorry for the tag, just trying to not put wrong numbers in my youtube video lol
vestal wren
silverstuck just reposted the numbers from me earlier
misty holly
i dont like blindside part of the rotation. running out of free button space
I went with Elaborate Planning for ease of play. It's actually better in AoE. A bit worse in single target but not so much I care.
If you really dont want to BS then do that.
storm onyx
Neat
vestal wren
you can look at herodamage:
https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/combinations-fulls/1t-t26-subtlety
https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/combinations-fulls/1t-t26-outlaw
https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/combinations-fulls/1t-t26-assassination
^ just look at herodamage, its the top combinations
storm onyx
Binding Ambush yo Mutilate for BS proc is not a good idea
strange python
Is Hd 9.0.5?
wise gull
I've been practicing assa as of yesterday and having to refresh SnD felt so bad
storm onyx
You are limiting your choice of actions
wise gull
cttc will be sick
cunning surge
Yeah I was doing some Dummy tests on PTR
Literally only had to cast SnD ONCE and had 99% uptime
wise gull
someone asked my why i was playing assa in a pug today
i told them assa is about to be nuts
they laughed at me
: (
cunning surge
Fuck em'
cunning surge
Those kind of people only care about FotM specs 
misty holly
someone asked my why i was playing assa in a pug today
I'm always scared to get kicked from pugs when they realize Im not outlaw
so far no one has said anything.
uneven summit
same
cunning surge
I mean, when you top meters in a key against people in FotM specs that don't know how to play them, it speaks volumes
uneven summit
did some 17s yesterday, was just waiting for the kick when we entered the dungeon
wise gull
i definitely still play outlaw in keys
native lynx
I mean, when you top meters in a key against people in FotM specs that don't kno...
if youre doing that as assass the other players are just bad and would be on any spec
wise gull
and i play sub in main raid still
uneven summit
i definitely still play outlaw in keys
Assa is hella fun
cunning surge
Yeah honestly, like I beat a Boomie out in a +12 or so PF, and I was just "???"
native lynx
the overalls must have looked disgusting
misty holly
I wonder is the subtlety channel here looking like this one did 3 months ago? Poor sub rogues 😦
cunning surge
Honestly I don't care what spec is topping the charts on Logs, if you know how to play your spec well, even if it's Survival, I think you're good to go
uneven summit
Sub had it´s moment in the sun, it´s our turn noiw
misty holly
sub gets first 3 months of the expansion. The rest belongs to us.
uneven summit
yes
misty holly
Ill take it
cloud reef
'moment in the sun' we were never even had the first 3
misty holly
just like bfa
wise gull
sub is more fun don't @ me
cloud reef
outlaw was the better spec
storm onyx
Depending how much you put the energy you can beat a same ilvl outlaw in m+ tbh
cunning surge
You definitely need to be on point with your Subbed Garrotes and Rupture timers, but yeah
exotic plume
Assa is back for raids?
cunning surge
To be fair I've been playing Sin this whole expac so far and it's done fine, I am learning Outlaw on the side but I just love Sin too much to give it up
native lynx
Depending how much you put the energy you can beat a same ilvl outlaw in m+ tbh
same ilvl but lower skill maybe
strange python
Thought Naguura was refilling rogue for a second
native lynx
and thats a hard and dubious maybe
strange python
Rerolling
cunning surge
On Live right now? Doomblade is kinda blegh, but once we get 9.0.5 it will be better for Single Target, depending on how long the boss stays in <30% HP
exotic plume
Is it hard to get back into the rotation after last time playing assa in BFA?
cunning surge
I skipped out on BfA, so I'm unable to answer that on my end, but it was really easy for me to pick up overall since I played in Legion
exotic plume
Thought Naguura was refilling rogue for a second
She's just doing great youtube content :)
regal chasm
Well it's arguably the most forgiving of the rogue specs
strange python
Simp
wise gull
i practiced for 5 minutes on a dummy, joined a heroic pug
and got 97 on shriekwing
you'll be fine
cunning surge
Just keep Rupture, Garrote, and SnD up, and you'll be fine
normal mist
Why is doomblade going to be top1 for ST? Isn't the only buff the 15% extra dot dmg?
exotic plume
Ty @wise gull
cunning surge
It is, yeah, but it's enough of an impact to push it to the top, as far as Sims are concerned
misty holly
im a gaming warlord
wait till you meet the rank 1 lfr parse. a true gaming god.
wise gull
i should do it
limber lion
wait till you meet the rank 1 lfr parse. a true gaming god.
I peaked and got rank 1 lfr parse on Sire. I know, big gamer. Rocked solid 4 renown as Venthyr on that fight as well, absolutely massive.
vestal wren
because of the button presses
to go further, what the macro can introduce is that you need to press the button 2 times to cast ambush.
this does not affect you if you like the majority press buttons multiple times
limber lion
Why is doomblade going to be top1 for ST? Isn't the only buff the 15% extra dot ...
Doomblade also had a bug where the bleed-portion of the damage was not penetrating armor like a normal bleed would and instead was double-dipping.
cunning surge
Yeah I like, double press my binds, I don't know why lmao
Oh I didn't know about that bug, but I feel like having an additional <98+% uptime bleed for just doing your rotation normally is pretty nice as well
ocean shadow
ok i need a bit of help
i'm around 2k io
i love pushing m+
but i'm also raiding and love that as well
the whole covenant changes are making me super anxious
is it worth to just swap to venth and get it over with
limber lion
Well it depends on a lot of things.
cunning surge
I feel like it's up to you overall, it's only about a 40-50 DPS increase from what I've read
limber lion
Do you play Outlaw in M+ or Assa?
cunning surge
At least from, NF -> Venth
ocean shadow
or should i wait for logs and m+ ladder to adapt and then make a choice ?
dim shoal
Afaik Meta will be necro Outlaw for m+ and venthyr assa for raiding (atleast ST)
limber lion
AFAIK Necrolord is the best choice for Outlaw and the best choice for Assa when it comes to M+.
ocean shadow
Do you play Outlaw in M+ or Assa?
in m+ it's mostly outlaw but sometimes sub for fun
dim shoal
Just gear up 2 characters 5Head
cunning surge
If you're concerned with Minmaxing, it might be better to see how logs start to look come Live
limber lion
Necrolord is also the best progression covenant for mythic progression for Assa.
vestal wren
necro is possibly better on outlaw,
venthyr on assassination
have fun deciding ^^
i am not sure if necro is the best progression covenant
ocean shadow
necro is possibly better on outlaw,
venthyr on assassination
have fun deciding ^...
anxiety infusion xD
limber lion
Venthyr will pull a little ahead in ST on raids, but it requires you to be stuck to your target. A lot of high-end mythic raiders are going Necro because it doesn't suffer from downtime whatsoever
So they can safely focus on mechanics and not dying
vestal wren
my argument for necro would be the rework/change to shield
limber lion
But we're talking about the absolute high-end mythic progression.
ocean shadow
i actually like the necro playstyle more
vestal wren
having an additional def cooldown does sound good
ocean shadow
but we're on prog
cunning surge
I feel like with the Necro shield buff, Necro would be a good overall pick for Mythic Progression
ocean shadow
so idk xD
limber lion
I push for Cutting Edge every tier, but I went for Venthyr.
Venthyr will do more damage on ST but it requires you to be stuck to a target to get full value out of it.
If you are forced to do mechanics, it takes a bit hit in efficiency and damage.
Necrolord also pulls ahead by a lot in 2-3 target fights.
Like Huntsman or Generals.
cunning surge
I feel like any Covenant would be fine for Mythic Prog, maybe even Kyrian, but you gotta be on POINT with Echo in that case
eternal wave
I feel Generals is a very strong argument for Necro - sure Sire is the last boss but Generals is so much harder lmao
shadow helm
it'll be funny to use spikes on outlaw tho
cunning surge
Yeah I've heard SLG is a nightmare of a wall
terse ice
i have to do quite some mechanics in my mythic raid, so should i still go venthyr? @limber lion
ocean shadow
yep
cunning surge
Are those bugs getting fixed in 9.0.5 on that note?
limber lion
Necrolord is a really good covenant for Sire as well because you can have all dots running on Sire whilst killing the mini-bosses.
The bonespike also helps a bit with the execute as it benefits from Zoldyck
eternal wave
And playing Necro on Sire feels so good on the overlap of panic attacks and nightmares in p3 lol
night leaf
atleast they're fixing count the odds
this is the best change in terms of QoL
ocean shadow
Necrolord is a really good covenant for Sire as well because you can have all do...
did we get any updates on exanguinate bug with spike?
eternal wave
Realistically you are not guaranteed proper uptime on any boss outside the left wing of the Castle
wet condor
how much haste should I have to play assa?
limber lion
i have to do quite some mechanics in my mythic raid, so should i still go venthy...
If you're the work horse of the raid, I wouldn't go Venthyr honestly. The damages are too close to matter that much in the end.
eternal wave
Kael'thas, Xy'mox, Council, Sludge, SLG and Sire all tell you to fuck off precisely whenever they want
limber lion
how much haste should I have to play assa?
There is no stat requirement for that.
limber lion
did we get any updates on exanguinate bug with spike?
It does not exsanguinate anymore, as it shouldn't.
wet condor
i mean.. are there some breakpoints where gameplay is more fluid
and not feeling like pressing 2 buttons in 15 seconds
limber lion
It does scale from Assa mastery though and benefits from Zoldyck, which is the go-to legendary on Execute fights like Sire.
rose violet
gameplay is more fluid at 100% haste
limber lion
Necrolord is the best choice for Outlaw so if you're planning on playing a lot of M+, I would just go Necro
It's not a bad covenant for Assa by any means, unlike Kyrian.
night leaf
whenever you are losing uptime on boss, you are losing so much dps that covenant is not gonna make or break
cunning surge
If anything you're running Alacrity, which will give you 10% haste basically
night leaf
I wouldnt decide on covenant based on uptime
limber lion
i mean.. are there some breakpoints where gameplay is more fluid
No, there are no such things as breakpoints in the game anymore. There might have been back in TBC or Cataclysm, but definitely not anymore.
cunning surge
Best of luck in your decisions, Parsa!!
I do feel like for raiding at least this tier, any covenant can work, whichever one you have the most fun with
I wish anyone rolling Kyrian the best of luck tho, because holy hell does Seal Fate fuck that Cov Ability up...
terse ice
i was excited about going venthyr but with the uptime thingy and i doing alot of mechnics.. maybe its best to stay night fae for now? i cannot decide
cunning surge
Well, Venth's ability is going to be a LOT more streamlined now, it's not Double activate with the chance of fizzling if you forget it anymore thankfully
limber lion
As long as you don't play Kyrian, you'll be fine.
Venthyr has the potential for highest ST damage but there's rarely that many true Patchwork-fights and usually have some sort of add/multi target mechanic.
cunning surge
Tbh I'd personally stay with NF
Really solid synergy with Shiv and Soulshape is a banger mobility option
limber lion
Soulshape is honestly the biggest contender for NF imo
cunning surge
Not wrong, genuinely
limber lion
You don't realize how good it is until you've played 2 months with it and then you give it up.
shadow helm
i can live without soulshape
limber lion
If you never went NF to begin with, you'll probably be fine.
But it is a learning curve to learn to not rely on it
cunning surge
I thought I could, but I made my Ele Shaman go Necro and I was like "Damn I'm slow as shit"
shadow helm
being venthyr and getting accepted into ez hoa keys is YUGE
shadow helm
nf shit cosmetics too
limber lion
being venthyr and getting accepted into ez hoa keys is YUGE
Gotta agree with this tho. I just did a HoA and SD yesterday, got insta-invites because I was Venth
shadow helm
ugly ass daggers
cunning surge
I like them :c
limber lion
But honestly, they are all still pretty competitive. It's not as drastic like comparing Convoke to whatever the shit Necrolords have for Druids.
Or Wild Spirits to whatever Venthyr provides for Hunters
cunning surge
Yeah it's definitely not that big of a gap in viability
limber lion
Like if you're not playing NF as Druid/Hunter, you're trolling
limber lion
What does it do
dim shoal
i think in like 1-2 weeks lashing scars gonna be nerfed, and then everyone is going back to nf
torpid spoke
How is ventyr for outlaw
vestal wren
venthyr def. gets the best cosmetics
shadow helm
nerf
torpid spoke
In 9.0.5
cunning surge
Nah, it's not that strong that it will be nerfed
At least it SHOULDN'T
whole mantle
stats will be haste/versa yet?
cunning surge
Depending on how you sim, either that or Haste/Crit
vestal wren
stats are probably "everything not mastery"
mastery does not seem super strong on any of the 3 specs
dim shoal
yeah,but lashing scars is the reason why it sims much higher than the other covenants
atleast in ST
dim shoal
ah nvm, WPS is goodaswell
cunning surge
Yeah, unless other like, STRONG Covenant conduits are getting nerfed, I don't think LS will get hit
lament mica
wild spirits is butt in pvp
limber lion
Yeah, Venthyr still pulls ahead even with WPS
limber bramble
Dumb question but why is mastery that bad ? It upgrades the damage of our dots, since we play with that I'm always confused about it being bad. Is it a value problem ?
cunning surge
WPS is just hella solid overall
misty holly
Necrolord is a really good covenant for Sire as well because you can have all do...
One thing to keep in mind for Sire is Bonespike randomly drops off him all the time. Maybe all dots do, not sure, but it's annoying seeing it constantly disappear from him during the fight and not know why
whole mantle
I'm not raiding mythicthis tier with my rogue, is it better to create the legendary glove anyway or do the shoulder?
final star
Because it gives less damage than the other stats, even after the effects is gives @limber bramble
limber bramble
Oh :(
rose violet
best non answer
shadow helm
they're trying the
limber lion
When shit like Infernal Cascade exists and hasn't been touched
There's nothing to worry about
shadow helm
buff weak shit lately
dim shoal
true that
dim shoal
isnt infernal cascade a conduit across all covenants?
final star
But it's bonkers broken ahead
dim shoal
yeah thats why i think LS will be not so fine
final star
Which is the point
dim shoal
cause its covenant specific
cunning surge
If anything that should make it safer imo
limber lion
Covenant Specific conduits REQUIRE you to be with a specific conduit
Why would something like that be nerfed
When something that does NOT require you a covenant be 5 times as good as the second best conduyit
dim shoal
i mean , infernal cascade is op. But alteast everyone has access to it. Thats how i see it
final star
Everyone has access to lashing scars if they are venthyr
cunning surge
I can see your stance regarding that
final star
dim shoal
But youre right nonetheless. LS isnt that far ahead in the first place
cunning surge
Yeah tbh, if LS does get hit, we just pick WPS back up and call it a day
dim shoal
Count the odds same think right?
final star
@vestal wren 
vestal wren
assassination might become a rly strong melee
but it does not mean melee beats ranged
if anything it just shows how bad balanced the role is
cunning surge
Yeah, Boomies and MMs will still give us a run for our money most likely...
dim shoal
@vestal wren youve done a execute sim right? Does necro with zoldyck beat venthyr with zoldyck?
sterile jackal
funny thing, i was on devourer progress yesterday and sin even before buffs was a bit better than sub
vestal wren
i haven't done a execute sim on those
limber lion
<@!194804407706189824> youve done a execute sim right? Does necro with zoldyck b...
No
Venthyr still wins
vestal wren
i don't see why it would change anything^^
final star
Did they fix exsanguinate
cunning surge
funny thing, i was on devourer progress yesterday and sin even before buffs was ...
I believe this 100% tbh, a sin that knows what they're doing should be able to pass a sub most of the time
final star
With bone spike
vestal wren
Yeah, Boomies and MMs will still give us a run for our money most likely...
not sure, hunters act like they are now equal to subtlety in output
final star
dim shoal
Was just wondering
torpid spoke
With bone spike
They did
vestal wren
so, we will see how ded hunters are in a few days
limber lion
i don't see why it would change anything^^
Bonespike benefits from Zoldyck, Flag doesn't.
cunning surge
Wait, really??? MM are still doing hella damage, maybe I'm missing something...
limber lion
The haste-portion from Flag though 😩
final star
They haven't been nerfed yet
sterile jackal
Hunters are powerful bc of wild spirits, change my mind
vestal wren
that gets released tomorrow on na
cunning surge
I didn't even know they were getting nerfed in 9.0.5, I should review that
dim shoal
on na feelsbadman
final star
It's a bug fix
cunning surge
Also, on the note of Zoldyck
Sepsis doesn't count as a Poison right?
final star
More than a nerf
shut edge
Just their night fae burst will be fixed
final star
But it's effectively an overall damage loss in spirits of ~5%
vestal wren
the bugfix is a big nerf according to them
cunning surge
Didn't think so, wasn't 100% sure tho, thank you!!
vestal wren
so its a nerf
limber lion
It's a huge nerf
limber lion
Yeah
cunning surge
Oh yeah I know WW's, that's gonna be a BIG hit
dark crag
Who also bets mm get an aura buff 1 week after 9.0.5?
vestal wren
ele gets a buff
dim shoal
saw a clip of max talking about ele maybe being better than hunters on some fights
cant really see any fight where thats the case except hungering
vestal wren
so that the "weakest" ranged class that was strong in st, now is also strong in aoe
vestal wren
i have no idea how it will end up
frozen karma
But earth shock got buffed
dim shoal
Is PI still better on a fire mage, or will assa rogues get some love now?
dark crag
You mean uh dk?
dim shoal
I mean theres hope
vestal wren
assassination is not a bad pi target
dim shoal
If UH dk and fire mage not in raid
boreal arrow
If UH dk and fire mage not in raid
so no hope 😄
rigid tartan
i wonder if sire p3 is an exception apart from unholy ofc
frozen karma
No reason to PI us if you've got a good DK/Mage/Lock in your raid
cunning surge
Yeah, in my raid group our Lock gets the PI
vestal wren
ill wait for a update to the pi spreadsheet
frozen karma
I could see us getting PI in p3 Denathrius but at the same time the chances of this happening are pretty low considering the priest will be in the ranged group pretty much 100% of the time
subtle kiln
UH on pull. Lock or Mage afterwards. Spriest maybe better using it on themselves. we could argue for sire p3 for assa.
dim shoal
spriest will always use it on themselves
drowsy parcel
probably still better on UH in p3 if a priest would be in melee team
rigid tartan
since they get a buff to their gcd it might still be stronger on uhdk/affl right?
dim shoal
They benefit the most form it
drowsy parcel
maybe second pi p3
frozen karma
As Fuu said, we'll see when PI sheet gets updated
Wouldn't get your hopes up tho lol
subtle kiln
They benefit the most form it
depends if the PI will allow a second AOTD for UH when it normally would not get that second cast
radiant fossil
Guys, is Doomblade really that far behind in m+ ? Like my rogue is my alt atm and im mostly doing m+ untill we kill Dena MM (we are on him tonight ^^) so i'll maybe switch later on my rogue for raiding. I dont want to craft a t4 leg and then regret it.
cunning surge
I feel like MA/Zoldyck will still be stronger for multi-target, but we have sims in the pins I think for that
subtle kiln
it’s fine for m+
is it bis? no. neither is assa.
radiant fossil
Ho yeah i forgot about pins --'
stoic trail
Hey guys, not sure if this is current notion, but:
Assassination will be superior for single target (raids)
But outlaw will still be better M+?
torpid spoke
Outlaw prob better with 2 targets IMO
cunning surge
Outlaw will dumpster multi-targets, so I would say so
tender fjord
Guys, is Doomblade really that far behind in m+ ? Like my rogue is my alt atm an...
Big pulls you will literally not envenom or mutilate. So there is no gain for a big part.
cunning surge
FoK CT baybee
stoic trail
Ahhh so basically assass will just be pure single target fights 😅
cunning surge
If you're concerned with Minmaxing, yeah
But we'll still have fairly strong Cleave
prime skiff
dot as much targets as you can with garrote from stealth , use CT and FoK and then get outdpsed by prot pally 🙂
vestal wren
outlaw beats it in cleave/aoe
thats basically why we say "bad aoe"
assassination beats sub in cleave/aoe so...
it just depends on what you compare it to
cunning surge
Honestly as long as you know what you're doing you should be fine DPS wise on any boss
lilac sparrow
what is the exang & sbs mechanism? doubling it until die?
cunning surge
Oh god that would be STUPID
2x, 4x, 8x, 16x, etc
lilac sparrow
so only 2x until die?
spice spire
Before that is how it worked, but it was fixed
vestal wren
it either only gets benefits one time, or not at all
i don't know
best is to just test it on ptr i assume
dreamy lantern
I've been in The Enclave for an hour, still can't decide.
tender fjord
The dot falls off if you go more than 40 yrds out of range. The exsang dream would only be useful on altimor and sludge.
I would’ve loved trying to make it work tho 😞
lilac sparrow
I got 27 renown for venthyr this week... just want they are the best in live 🙂
hollow escarp
I've been in The Enclave for an hour, still can't decide.
use the ert roll option 
dreamy lantern
what's that?
hollow escarp
if you have Exorsus Raid Tools, first time you pick a covenant you can spin and the addon will tell you what to pick
out of all 4 options
dreamy lantern
oh I didn't know that existed :P
hollow escarp
hey, you can roll
and if you don't like the result, that means you don't really wanna go that way
hollow escarp
true
sonic iris
oh ok
dreamy lantern
I just can't decide because we're currently progressing council m, and I only raid, dont really care much for m+, just 15-17s
hollow escarp
different spell id if you search on wowhead
torpid spoke
Are the sims in the pins counting the necro bleed buff with mastery / doomblade bug fix?
cunning surge
Honestly as far as performance goes, I think NF, NL, Venth are all solid options
Not sure which would be better for M Council tho
dreamy lantern
prob ST for nuking on last phase
hollow escarp
are people doing the strat where you have to nuke 1 add to clear the floor? forgot the order that is
dreamy lantern
we're doing FSN
cunning surge
Ye that's what I was thinking, so prob either NF or Venth
Venth is probably gonna be stronger overall if you can use it to it's fullest
hollow escarp
venthyr is probably the best for burst dps after next week
you also need burst dps on SLG
cunning surge
And Sludge
dreamy lantern
true. and execute for sire
hollow escarp
yeah
I'm gonna sit NF for now, we are on Inerva and might start Council next week
if venthyr is miles ahead, I will make the change as well
cunning surge
Yeah I feel like Venth might be the safest option if you're doing Prog
Yeah they're so close I'm just gonna stay NF, Soulshape is a good reason for me to stay too, if not the Soulbinds
dreamy lantern
That's what I thought. and by the time prog is over I can gather renown for other covenant I guess :P, or stay NF as well
hollow escarp
if you get benched for some reason, it might be worth to farm renown
limber lion
30 renown baby, I'm ready for Wednesday
hollow escarp
but for example our raid nights don't really allow me to farm renown and be ready with full soulbind by the next raid
limber bramble
Another maybe dumb question but, since I read that Zoldyck will still be better than Doomblade for m+ content because of being better at aoe, is it still the case in tyrannical week ? I don't know if we can sim tyra/fortified week 🤔
cunning surge
12 I think
limber lion
Another maybe dumb question but, since I read that Zoldyck will still be better ...
Yes
hollow escarp
Another maybe dumb question but, since I read that Zoldyck will still be better ...
yes, in tyranical you still go aoe build
because trash is easier
torpid spoke
Would you use MA on sludge instead of doomblade?
limber bramble
Ah fak I always went with my st build xD
hollow escarp
neah, not worth
limber lion
Would you use MA on sludge instead of doomblade?
Can't be sure yet, needs some testing.
torpid spoke
This is for m sludge
hollow escarp
sin already has crazy good dps on single target even with aoe build
limber lion
But not sure about next week
Doomblade might pull ahead especially because trinkets wont crit with MA anymore
hollow escarp
tried 2 x +17 DoS in a row (both depleted) as outlaw I had 8k dps on Hakkar, on sin I had 10k dps
both aoe build
cunning surge
Yeah, won't be able to SP/DF with MA ;;
torpid spoke
Also sims are incorrect because for necro it doesn’t include doomblade?
Because next patch fixes bug that allows sbs to be included with doomblade
torpid spoke
This
limber lion
Read what it says
torpid spoke
Yeah but does the sim include that bug fix or not
limber lion
It literally says Doomblade on hands
torpid spoke
Is what I’m asking
limber lion
Yes, all of the new pins and simulations are with new ptr values and with all bug fixes
wind nacelle
^^
subtle tundra
isnt deeper better only for venthyr? so that would mean you play vigor on the other covenants?
limber lion
(and/or bugs introduced lately, like the Envenom pandemic bug which has not been fixed yet)
wind nacelle
Vigor on NF and ds on rest
limber lion
isnt deeper better only for venthyr? so that would mean you play vigor on the ot...
Yes, generally Deeper is used for Venthyr.
The difference is very marginal honestly.
subtle tundra
what about necro?
limber lion
I was simming +2 with Vigor on NF.
lean fossil
morning boys
limber lion
Morning 
lean fossil
ceverion, you gotta do some work bud. i noticed youre not rank 1 overall for heroics no more
someone passed you up
lean fossil
yes sir
lean fossil
whys that?
limber lion
Assa is gaining more popularity and more people are leaning toward it. I also won't have 235 Doomblade on reset because I was slacking with Torghast
spice spire
Smh
lean fossil
i feel you on that lol i could make a 225 on reset but not the 235
i just made the outlaw legendary....
i fucked up
onyx wind
Another maybe dumb question but, since I read that Zoldyck will still be better ...
It depends on your group comp
spice spire
Slacking on repetitive content, how dare you.
limber lion
All of my parses will get overrun as well because most Assas will be doing like 400-700 more damage by just the nature of the buffs.
limber lion
i just made the outlaw legendary....
Ey join the gang.
limber lion
Yeah, I think my Shriekwing could potentially stay there even with the buffs.
lean fossil
Ey join the gang.
hate the play style but i hate not really knowing how to play it lol
onyx wind
Just before they announced doomblade buffs LOL
limber lion
It relied quite a bit on the MA + Dreadfire cheese
limber lion
Just before they announced doomblade buffs LOL
I literally did the same thing
past seal
how good is assa gonna be after wednesday do u guys reckon
onyx wind
Very good
limber lion
Oh well, Zoldyck is still a good legendary for Sire/M+ so I'm not too fuzzed about it
limber lion
how good is assa gonna be after wednesday do u guys reckon
Like exeo said, very good.
burnt star
There is gonna have a log split.. im pretty sure if it
onyx wind
Outlaw is still gonna be better on stuff like stone legion, but we are doing a lot of dmg man
limber lion
Top 3 melee, if not the best melee in ST
lean fossil
so whats the fastest way to get renown
burnt star
Like ww cant do the same damage as before
onyx wind
Mostly due to venthyr, so have fun rerolling :)
limber bramble
It depends on your group comp
What do you mean ? If the comp is full of big multi-target I should go single target ?
spice spire
The reckoning is upon us all. The great assassination rising will happen. They laughed at us at the beginning of the expansion. And now, our reckoning will be swift
lean fossil
seems to be decent to get it from raids and such
limber lion
There is gonna have a log split.. im pretty sure if it
I asked Kihra, the creator of Warcraftlogs about it, and he said that "I normally don't do partitions for buffs"
I hope that he will do one for 9.0.5
past seal
renown grinding again ;-;
spice spire
Same
onyx wind
What do you mean ? If the comp is full of big multi-target I should go single ta...
Lets say you have a hunter and a mage, you probably dont need to go AoE build for tyrannical weeks
If you have a shadow priest, maybe you should
slim night
noob question whats stat prio for sin this reset 😄
onyx wind
Haste+crit>all
spice spire
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery
limber bramble
Oh yeah I see, thanks :D
slim night
ty
dull fulcrum
@limber lion So you gonna roll , Doomblades for ST and Zold for M+?
spice spire
Yeah vers and crit are close.
spice spire
Oh no.
limber lion
<@!165215952479322112> So you gonna roll , Doomblades for ST and Zold for M+?
Yeah, Venthyr + Doomblade gang here
burnt star
Ya but.. look at ww mnk huntmana.. they could keep 6+ stack of wotc on 2 target.. wich should never have been the case. Plus other bug fixed.. like the parse from before are not gonna be possible again
Some class got nerfed with fixed
onyx wind
Hunters also got nerfed by fixes
spice spire
W
onyx wind
What that mean
spice spire
Would be similar to the partitions in 8.3, right?
burnt star
Ya well when he said he wouldnt do for a buff. Thats ok
limber lion
What that mean
Just splits the logs into different cycles.
onyx wind
Oh as in 9.0 and 9.0.5?
limber lion
Like if you go to your profile and look at Ny'alotha logs, you'll see "pre-buff" "post-buff" etc
burnt star
But since there are serious nerf with the bug fix..
limber lion
Yep
limber lion
Would be similar to the partitions in 8.3, right?
Yup
spice spire
Nice.
limber lion
Every single trinket in the game also did
spice spire
^
onyx wind
How?
limber lion
limber lion
It's pretty recent
onyx wind
Cant really do the math but
Is it an overall buff, or did some get buffed more than others
limber lion
Can't really say yet
onyx wind
Looks like an overall ~~10% buff?
feral merlin
It's just about a 10% buff to direct damage trinkets
terse ice
only the active trinkets got a buff
torpid spoke
Skulkers tho
limber lion
Looks like it.
limber lion
only the active trinkets got a buff
No
onyx wind
Wait they didnt buff inerva trinket
torpid spoke
Ma not work with trinkets sadge
onyx wind
Why...
torpid spoke
They did buff it
limber lion
Phial of Putrefaction, which is the best trinket for Assa anyways, got a buff. And that's passive
onyx wind
Oh yea im blind
spice spire
Same w sludge
limber lion
Yeah
terse ice
hm true but stone legion herald i cannot see, it stays like it is on live i guess
burnt star
1500 ish damage buff
limber lion
Because it doesn't have a flat-damage portion to it
They buffed damage-dealing trinkets
burnt star
For memory and skulker
limber lion
And healing trinkets
burnt star
It was already insane haha
limber lion
Good thing I got a 226 version of it
onyx wind
buffing it is even better with % increase
burnt star
Like that shit could do crazy damage
limber lion
I would kill for a 233 Dreadfire
dull fulcrum
Will it be worth to use CT on ST with Doomblades?
onyx wind
^please no
limber lion
Will it be worth to use CT on ST with Doomblades?
Yes, if you have all bleeds up and Shiv is on cooldown
limber lion
No, it's on the bottom of the priority list currently
onyx wind
Perfect
limber lion
PB still wins in ST
burnt star
Wouldnt sim tell though
tulip nacelle
!ambush
prisma monolithBOT
Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message
limber lion
But if you were to spec into it (in like SLG or Sun King or Huntsman), then you would use it even in ST.
onyx wind
Yea that makes sense
burnt star
I put ambush on the same button as pistol shot
burnt star
And i use the same weak aura visual queu as pistol shot
queen galleon
If you do top 50 world on sludge mm, you register 0 parsing 
frozen tundra
Hey guys, going for some blasphemy - why is TTB leggo so universally hated? Shiv is going to hit for quite a lot -> isnt it going to be quite a good burst addition at least in PvP? And according to sims it isnt THAT bad. Like 3 % lower than doomblade on ST and even less on multi.
It might be fun to occasionally see some larger numbers popping out.
Is anyone using it for some reason?
onyx wind
3% is a lot
But sure, it could have uses in pvp
Spent all my soul ash on crafting legendaries for the dead spec sadly
Dont have time to try out the niche ones :(
limber lion
Hey guys, going for some blasphemy - why is TTB leggo so universally hated? Shiv...
It's not bad per se, but there's just better alternatives. Like Master Assassin for PvP/Burst and Doomblade for pure ST.
It could be pretty dank in Torghast when combined with the anima power that gives 150% (450%) more damage from combo point generators.
onyx wind
Do we have any class stuff that works with phial btw?
Since it sims so high
Shiv should work ye?
prime skiff
shiv increases nature dmg so yea it should work
lean fossil
i can tell you right now, im so glad i got ksm
because tomorrow ill be farming pf trying to get that stupid trinket to drop
still havent gotten it
onyx wind
We all are man
limber lion
I don't wanna spread misinformation as I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think trinkets get extra value from stuff like Shiv.
gusty mirage
I feel like you’re trying to big brain this a little too hard boys
onyx wind
I still have 213 sludgefister trinket
limber lion
I'll actually test it out right now, give me a sec
onyx wind
Wish i could test it...
limber lion
No, Shiv doesn't work on it
gusty mirage
Run more plaguefall 
limber lion
And neither does Vendetta
prime skiff
well vendetta specifically says it increases rogue abilities and auto attacks
limber lion
It does scale with haste, so could be.
shut edge
I don't wanna spread misinformation as I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think trin...
They dont, i tested this with one a week before
limber lion
Yup, just did as well.
shut edge
At least the one trinket which give you another weapon poison from nw not gains from shiv
queen galleon
because tomorrow ill be farming pf trying to get that stupid trinket to drop
You should wait until you can upgrade it
with valor
gusty mirage
^
gusty mirage
No it isn’t?
shut edge
You can upgrade it then anyway not?
queen galleon
It's not ?
lean fossil
You should wait until you can upgrade it
that would be tomorrow lol
onyx wind
for NA it is
gusty mirage
No. Not it isn’t
onyx wind
ok im sorry then
queen galleon
You can't upgrade until next week after 0.5 hit
gusty mirage
We can’t upgrade gear we get this next reset
onyx wind
Wait really
shut edge
Ah lul.
gusty mirage
Really
onyx wind
Why
shut edge
What a joke 😂
glossy turret
!sims
prisma monolithBOT
Simulations:
Herodamage: https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html
queen galleon
onyx wind
Source?
lean fossil
isnt 9.05 tomorrow?
queen galleon
Bluepost on wowhead
gusty mirage
isnt 9.05 tomorrow?
Sure is
limber lion
Yes, tomorrow for NA. In 2 days for EU.
cunning basin
Fixed an issue that prevented Serrated Bone Spike’s (Necrolord) bleed debuff from being counted towards the Envenom damage bonus from Doomblade (Legendary Power).
so it synergize with doomblade
lean fossil
so then wouldnt i be able to farm it tomorrow?
limber lion
Fixed an issue that prevented Serrated Bone Spike’s (Necrolord) bleed debuff fro...
Yes
onyx wind
Does this mean you cant upgrade gear from next week ever
cunning basin
did they just add it ? I did not see it last time i checked
onyx wind
Or that u cant upgrade that gear until next-next week
burnt star
U upgrade gear u get tommorow
limber lion
did they just add it ? I did not see it last time i checked
No, it's been there on the blue post ever since Blizzard officially posted about it.
cunning basin
im blind then ty for the help
limber lion
glossy turret
Any sims yet with 9.0.5 venthyr?
onyx wind
Check pins
onyx wind
Bluepost on wowhead
Can you link it?
lean fossil
so just so we are clear, im talking about normal drops you could get from a dungeon not the vault
like if i do a 15 pf and get a 210 phial could i upgrade it tomorrow if i got it tomorrow?
i know the vault loot you cant
queen galleon
Can you link it?
I might have trolled what i read but
shut edge
So for example when i get today a phial in a m+ is it true that i can‘t upgrade this phial with valor points?
onyx wind
Im confused now
quasi ledge
You can upgrade dungeon gear as soon as the patch is out, just can't upgrade vault items
lean fossil
right
queen galleon
First vault chess of 9.0.5 give item not upgradable
lean fossil
thats what i thought @quasi ledge
shut edge
Ah...
queen galleon
item you loot in chest at the end is upgradable