assassination

[indigo mulch]

Everyone likes diffrent things right? 😄

Judge free zone.

[limber lion]

Absolutely, no judging here

[gentle gyro]

unless you're a furry, then there will be judging

[limber lion]

[indigo mulch]

I was hoping dashing would be the shit 😦 I enjoy having energy as assassination ;c

[chilly thicket]

Is there a way to have some sort of macro or something for having mutilate/ambush on one button (kind of like how you can shadowstrike while shadow dance is up by putting it on the same button on the stealth bar)?

[limber lion]

You can use an addon for it, but it's highly not recommended.

As you do not want to use ambush when opening from stealth or when getting a sepsis proc

Only from free Blindside-procs

!ambush

[prisma monolith]

Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message

[chilly thicket]

Ah damn, I got like no buttons left haha

Also I am looking at logs and it looks like no one is using shiv, why is that?

[sinful cradle]

logs doesnt show shiv usage iirc

[limber lion]

The combat log is just messed up on Blizzard's end and that's why it doesn't show up on casts.

[chilly thicket]

Oh darn, I was tryna see when ppl used shiv w/ sepsis

[limber lion]

You can still see the shiv-cast if you look at damage done

[chilly thicket]

I assume its right before?

[limber lion]

You always use sepsis first then shiv right after

[late birch]

anyone any good experience with necrolord? was maybe thinking of going it after patch

[chilly thicket]

Ah ok ty

[gentle gyro]

isn't the optimal use sepsis and shiv ~4s before sepsis ends

so you get the enhancement for the burst at the end

[limber lion]

Wut

No, you use shiv right after using Sepsis

Sepsis lasts for 10s, Shiv for 9

You use vanish to proc Master Assa when Sepsis has 4/3s left

[gentle gyro]

wait am I mixing something up

ah yeah

nvm me

[limber lion]

Depending on whether you use the talent or the legendary

[chilly thicket]

Wait so vanishing during sepsis will cause the remaining ticks to crit?

[limber lion]

Yes but more importantly it causes the sepsis explosion to crit

[chilly thicket]

Ok that makes sense, so I assume a good opener is like mutilate-snd-mutilate-garrote-rupture-then all cd's with sepsis-shiv-...vanish when 3 sec left of sepsis?

[bright timber]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[balmy condor]

Yes

[chilly thicket]

Alright, and why exactly is opening with ambush bad? Its the same energy cost and it does more damage

[dusky vault]

The tooltip is wrong; mutilate actually does more damage and gives more CP on average

[chilly thicket]

Hmm, I was testing it on a dummy and ambush was always doing about twice the damage

[balmy condor]

Completely untrue

It’s Just cp

The damage is double

[oblique flare]

"While these are weekly quests, they are no longer tied specifically to the weekly reset, but rather have an internal timer of their own. Thus, raiding on the day before reset and switching your covenant in time for a Mythic+ the next day by gaming the weekly reset is no longer an option."

[balmy condor]

But more cp, more poison hits

And if you’re using blindside, a chance for a free ambush

Add it all up, and it’s better

[chilly thicket]

They both give two cp's no?

[lean coral]

This for next patch?

[balmy condor]

Yes but mutilate is 2 hits

So you can get 4

[chilly thicket]

ahhh

Gotcha

tyty

[dusky vault]

hmm Im sure someone here said that since multilate hits twice the tooltip was wrong and it did more damage; no matter

[oblique flare]

apparently already in effect

[lean coral]

Hm

Weird well I did my first step of swapping back to venthyr last night

[simple wadi]

Thinking things through - I know the standard was to vendetta after our first rupture but since we will rupture after Flag does it make sense to vendetta before flag to get the increase on the initial lashes?

[lean coral]

Hope I'll be fine for reset

[balmy condor]

The tooltip is wrong, but it doesn’t do anywhere near the same damage

[balmy condor]

Yes

[simple wadi]

Thanks

[lean coral]

I hope they put the covenant conduit in the raid as one of the potencys

[balmy condor]

It’s on sire

[lean coral]

Is it dope

[balmy condor]

All the potencies are in the raid

[edgy pawn]

are you sure about that? they aren't on ptr

at least not in the adventure guide

[balmy condor]

They should be

Which ones missing

[lean coral]

None of them are in the journal yet afaik

[edgy pawn]

the only ones i see are planned execution, count the odds and maim, mangle

and the covenant ones on sire

so basically one per spec

[lean coral]

Ah

Hope it's not like that

But it's probs to force you to use venari gamble if so

[balmy condor]

Hm

Then someone’s lying to me

[lean coral]

Well luckily my lock got upgraded bis conduit from PvP

[balmy condor]

But that would be really fucking painful

If it’s true

[lean coral]

Idk why they didn't just have every conduit from conq vendor

[balmy condor]

Maim mangle is a trash conduit and cto/pe are both bis

[subtle kiln]

don’t know how accurate

[lean coral]

Only some classes getting bis is wack

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/wack-crazy-serious-gif-14781154

[edgy pawn]

maybe they're placeholders for something like "conduit tokens" or some shit

[lean coral]

Doubt

[edgy pawn]

yeah, me too, but mans gotta hope 😄

[lean coral]

I can see them wanting us to dump our stygia

[subtle kiln]

just hope M+ drops higher than 200 tbh

[lean coral]

I mean luckily conduit ranks aren't like insane differences in dmg

[edgy pawn]

tooltip for conduits from m+ dont have the "upgraded 1/12" thing other items have, so i doubt that as well

[lean coral]

I'm hoping ksm upgrades are account wide

[gentle gyro]

they apparently are

[subtle kiln]

accurate tooltips and blizzard. these things do not go together

just wait and see which version of 9.0.5 goes live with reset.

[gentle gyro]

guess I go back to nwn while i'm literally unable to play my char

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[frail fossil]

so i need help gamers

doomblade or zoldyck ?

[final star]

@lean coral ksm is account wide so it makes sense that it would also apply to valor

I didn't get the achievement again when I did it on a second character

[tribal marlin]

At this point I think you should go Doomblade. And work toward Zoldyck so you have it ready for next prog

[indigo mulch]

Sire for covenant ;|

[frail fossil]

cuz like i can one shot a r4 legendary atm

[indigo mulch]

Sire mythic is le pain

[frail fossil]

and i might have some fun on the hc run

[onyx wind]

Been doing some sims for valor pieces etc

Is IQD a simtrap or does it actually have value

[oblique flare]

you will have to unlock ksm on your alt too if you want to upgrade your gear

i asked on ptr and ksm won't unlock the upgrading account wide

Blizzard

[low girder]

when you say you asked on ptr, what do you mean

because the wowhead article still states the gear upgrade unlocks are account wide

[oblique flare]

i asked in the chat and multiple people said apparently that the notes say it's only on the character you've unlocked it with

[nova lake]

Should be easy to test no? transfer over a character that has the achievement and a character that doesnt

see if its unlocked

[low girder]

yeah the notes make no mention of that

so idk

this is all it says

[vast patio]

It wouldn't surprise me if it was set up like that

[onyx wind]

Theres no way it unlocks on alts

Its blizzard guys

[oblique flare]

it's blizzard after all

[onyx wind]

Exactly XD

[nova lake]

Is the upgrade guy in ptr?

if so where

[oblique flare]

by now we still don't have account wide honor

can't mail honor

so why would ksm valor upgrades be different

[grizzled owl]

It does unlock on alts

KSM is account wide

Pretty straightforward

[vast patio]

At the very least, 213 phial ez

[onyx wind]

Sure, intuitively

But PvP rating on main doesnt unlock anything on alt

So by that logic, neither should KSM gearing

[low girder]

pvp achievements aren't account wide

you can't wear the rival title on an alt

[onyx wind]

I know

Im talking purely system-based

[low girder]

i don't anyone should be making sure statements either way if they don't actually know

[nova lake]

anyone knows if the valor npc is in the ptr?

[vast patio]

Forums are full of literal dipshits that shouldn't be giving advice on anything

[grizzled owl]

I mean blizzard confirmed that KSM is account wide

And its pve, not pvp

Why should it work as pvp ?

And sinxe when does blizzars apply logic ?

[vast patio]

It's the expectation of having hoops to jump through. They punish you for playing a different spec for christ's sake.

The idea of actually benefitting our alts by having ksm seems too easy, even I'm still kinda expecting a catch.

[onyx wind]

the "apply logic" argument works both ways

[low girder]

i don't think it will either, but i'm not going to tell people it won't until i see proof

[onyx wind]

Theres no way alts can get 220 ilvl by doing daily heroic dungeons

[neon siren]

NO ONE KNOWS

leave it at that

[low girder]

i mean you need the item from a key first

[vast patio]

I'm going to live in plaguefall for a little bit

[neon siren]

stop arguing based on blizzard logic as we know its random

[onyx wind]

saaaaame

[vast patio]

Probably spires next week tho. Fuck plaguefall on tyrannical

[nova lake]

Ok i copied over my rogue to ptr taht doesnt have KSM, KSM was not in my Feats of Strength.
Just now ive copied over my lock that does have KSM.
going back to my rogue i see ksm appear in his FoS

[vast patio]

But can you upgrade

[cinder lion]

you can upgrade m0 items too btw but there's no one online to do dungeons to test it out

[nova lake]

Can you point me to where the npc is KEKW

[oblique flare]

ngl, kinda weird, not making honor acc wide to allow alts to have ez access to 197 gear, but ksm so they access to 220 gear

npc is apparently the pvp vendor

[vast patio]

no :c

[cinder lion]

the covenant armor upgrader can upgrade valor gear

[vast patio]

The weirdest one is hoe they don't let you freeswap covenants on the ptr.

Like the most important thing and you make testing a PITA.

[onyx wind]

*on live

[vast patio]

Well, yes but it's indefensible on ptr. >.>

[onyx wind]

Just make covenant abilities/soulbinds a torghast thing

[oblique flare]

ye, imagine giving you the tools and possibility to test the stuff on the ptr correctly

[onyx wind]

and make covenants purely story/looks

[oblique flare]

can't have that, gotta GRIND

[nova lake]

kinda cba doing into a m0 to get items. mostly since my rogue is ilvl 180 and cant solo xD

[vast patio]

Be funny if we could

Just sneak past it all and gank the second guy

[slender urchin]

It seems to be that you can

[nova lake]

Big if true

[vast patio]

Ion's bosses said its true, neat.

[nova lake]

some would say.
massive if accurate

[oblique flare]

[vast patio]

Is there any reason the explanation of the actual system couldn't include this info

[nova lake]

small indy company

[vast patio]

Did the patch note guy die mid-writeup

Because you can't buy food with honor points

[nova lake]

can you link to the actual interview? @slender urchin

[quaint linden]

!STATS

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[slender urchin]

https://bbs.nga.cn/read.php?tid=25610519&rand=744

That’s the link for the interview, but it’s in Chinese

[oblique flare]

maybe this is only for chinese wow

[nova lake]

https://i.imgur.com/ZUhgitP.png nice MTL

all trumpets

[vast patio]

That's saxist

[stable arch]

hey, with crimson tempest specced and using it on ST i feel like there is not much time to spend my CP for envenom bc u have to re-aply rupture and SnD very often. is it just me or am I doing sth wrong?

[strange python]

think you use poison bomb for ST

[stable arch]

yeah but u run CT for m+

so what u do when u face singletarge encounter

[sinful cradle]

pretty sure u dont press ct then

[slender trail]

yeah PB for st (see pins), but if you're talking during m+ (a ST boss while you're m+ specced), i'd say play around with it. maybe sim yourself and check the event log to see what priority it gives CT

[naive rock]

You wait till Tuesday so you don’t cast slice and dice

[slender trail]

also that

[stable arch]

@slender trail can u sim your rotation ?

[vital depot]

@naive rock really? Is SnD not worth using at all or just AoE?

[slender trail]

you can sim, then look at the html output, and down in one of the sections is the simmed rotation based on the apl

can't remember if it's just the first X amount of time or the whole thing though

could just be the opener sequence

[stable arch]

wow awesome thx

[burnt star]

What would the opener look like with flagg

Mut snd mut vend flag rupture?

[simple wadi]

probably mut snd mut garrote vend flag rupture

[naive rock]

@vital depot no idea but it only has to be cast once and envn will keep it running.

[simple wadi]

but i haven't played with deeper yet so dunno for sure

[naive rock]

Anyone know how long slice and dice will go up too in time? I play outlaw and get to three minutes sometimes

Would that be the same for sin?

[vital depot]

I guess that assumes close to perfect melee uptime, but thanks, totally forgot about that change

[vast patio]

I don't see why not if you can generate the cp.

[onyx wind]

did 6.5k in a +15 as assa

wanted to try it out

doesnt seem that bad

[naive rock]

Better than I can get in outlaw sometimes. Depends on pull sizes

[onyx wind]

was a mists

[simple wadi]

that first boss as sin must be juicy

[onyx wind]

Didnt have cd's for it

used on pride

[simple wadi]

less juicy then

[onyx wind]

so dps isnt that inflated

Bron did 2% of my overall dps

what a madlad

[simple wadi]

i normally outlaw for keys but gonna think about full timing sin on tyrannicals

[onyx wind]

On tyrannical, mobs die a bit too fast for sin

[simple wadi]

i run with a boomie/mage

[onyx wind]

Not sure if it makes up for the boss dmg

[simple wadi]

aoe won't be a problem - bosses can be a pain sometimes if cds don't line up

but we don't really push on tyrannical so probably doesn't matter

[burnt star]

Was that on retail or ptr?

[onyx wind]

Retail

Dont think our dungeon dps is that much higher on PTR

[burnt star]

btw is ptr down? havent been able to get on server since friday 6h pm

[onyx wind]

Dont think it has been down that long no

[burnt star]

dont they shut it down before it goes live?

[balmy condor]

It goes to max pandemic im pretty sure

~50 seconds

[pearl canyon]

does crimson tempest apply alacrity now? has it been fixed?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[burnt star]

for mythic sludge. when would u use your cd? start- 2-4th pillar. or 1-3-end

[balmy condor]

I’m assuming you’re not in a guild that can 3 pillar

So you would pull-2-4 and lust on 4

[slender urchin]

What’s the fastest way to complete the return-to-covenant quests? Dungeons? Or WQ?

[burnt star]

is there a guild that does 3 pillar in mythic?

[gloomy fern]

no

[balmy condor]

Oh mythic

[burnt star]

ya hahaha

of course we 3 pillar on heroic ❤️

starting sludge prog tuesday

[balmy condor]

Well if you can fit that vendetta in on execute, then would be better to do that

[burnt star]

right on time with assa switch

[gloomy fern]

just check top logs and see when they burn their cds

[burnt star]

zoldyc is probly best for that too i guess?

even with doomblade change

[balmy condor]

I wouldn’t play zold on sludge

[burnt star]

wich one would u suggest?

[balmy condor]

Either MA or doomblade

[manic bridge]

so if its 2-4 for you, you should be able to use cd´s on start too

[slow tulip]

top logs are with MA

with the reset maybe doomblade

[balmy condor]

If you do go ma, and end up with ep over blindside, it probably is better to just pull-2-4, if you guys lust 4

Kinda should play around the lust pillar

[burnt star]

ya, we lusting on 4th to align with everyone

[kindred imp]

Do u run MA or Zold for keys?

[burnt star]

i already have ma rank 4.. was using it for outlaw

so ill work on doomblade then

[tender fjord]

Can do both

[burnt star]

and then zoldyc for sir

[balmy condor]

Zold, ma is fine tho

[burnt star]

thx for the input!

[kindred imp]

I did a 15 today with zold, was fine. I did struggle to keep gar, rup and crimson on like 4+ targets :S should i be skipping any?

[stoic needle]

No

[balmy condor]

You should rupture everything that lives long enough

[stoic needle]

Just keep practicing, it gets easier over time

[kindred imp]

Lack of energy made me wait and something would drop

[balmy condor]

Lack of energy?

You mean combo points

[stoic needle]

You should have infinite energy in aoe

[kindred imp]

Yeah will, did log.

Ye sorry CP. Its late XS

[stoic needle]

Heh

[balmy condor]

The cp stuff is fairly normal yeh

[stoic needle]

Running MFD helps with that

[kindred imp]

Mmm. Just gotta practice more. First time playing with crimson. Was fun though

[tender fjord]

This is kinda a general question, but does pertain to assa. What other classes/specs can do big ST dmg in their m+ builds? After seeing that DB and Zold sim a bit similar on dungeon slice I might consider running DB just to focus on prides n bosses

[balmy condor]

Boomy, fire, mm

[tender fjord]

Aaa my other two dps regulars that is 😂

[stoic needle]

I wouldn't recommend that except on theater of pain

[shadow helm]

big if true

[tender fjord]

Nvm then lol

[outer estuary]

assa in aoe is just keeping garotte, crimson and rupt up, right?

[balmy condor]

Convoke isn’t really an aoe ability

Combust isn’t really aoe either

Like it works

But especially in the case of convoke

[shadow helm]

how many days is this fuckin rejoin covenant shit

[balmy condor]

There’s a lot more value to be had on 1 target over 10

[kindred imp]

Combust isn't but flame patch and ignite are

[shadow helm]

SHIT SYSTEM

[outer estuary]

rejoin is 2 weeks

1 quest each reset

[shadow helm]

i doubt its 2 weeks

[vast patio]

2 weeks but

[balmy condor]

You doubt reality?

[vast patio]

You can do it Monday and finish tuesday

[balmy condor]

That’s a bold claim

[vast patio]

It's two reset lockouts, more accurately

[zenith ravine]

anyone else having an impossible time getting phial of putrification from plaguefall?

[stoic needle]

You have to understand what a dungeon Slice sim is to understand why doomblade sims well. A significant portion of dslice is single target, which is why doomblade sims similarly to zoldyck because it does really well on single target. If you're consistently pulling more than 4 mobs you are losing a lot of damage by using doomblade which really isn't reflected in dslice. Compare a dslice sim to 8 target sustained aoe and you'll see the difference. However there are some dungeons where you pull small or the bosses are the major obstacle (like top) in which doomblade can be good

[stoic needle]

Just give up bro

[vast patio]

Don't do it now

[zenith ravine]

lol 😄

[vast patio]

Wait till Tuesday, you'll just have to do it again

.>

[zenith ravine]

why?

[balmy condor]

Cause upgrade vendor is coming

[vast patio]

Valour won't upgrade stuff you get before tuesday

[balmy condor]

And you can’t upgrade old gear

[zenith ravine]

i see

good to know, thanks

[vast patio]

Downside is of course

Plaguefall on tyran week is horrific

But +0 gear upgrades soooo

[outer estuary]

just get phial in vault

ez

[vast patio]

Hey

HEY FUCK YOU

[zenith ravine]

lol

[manic harness]

Is Phial better than raid trinkets?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[limber lion]

wtb phial

[outer estuary]

phial is big d

[zenith ravine]

btw the vault is random loot from all dungs right? like if i dont do the dung that week i can still get the loot on the vault

[vast patio]

Phil is basically the best.

[balmy condor]

Phial’s only contender at 226 is a 233 denathrius

[outer estuary]

truly pity the ppl that dont have a 226 phial

[balmy condor]

Fully random

[vast patio]

Vault is random. Specific dungeon does not matter at all

[zenith ravine]

@outer estuary lol f u

[outer estuary]

yeah

[vast patio]

Fellow rogue has better weapons and a phial on our raid

I still beat him.

[stoic needle]

It's going to take several extra weeks to upgrade a m0 Phial compared to a m15 Phial

[balmy condor]

Who @vast patio?

[vast patio]

What's the cost per upgrade?

I'm not outing them, but those drops would be better on me is all I'm sayin'

.>

[balmy condor]

Nah like who asked?

[zenith ravine]

im curious if assassin venthyr doomblade will be better for tyranical plaguefall vs outlaw, thoughts?

[vast patio]

Fucker D:

[onyx wind]

Probably not

time will tell

[stoic needle]

There are a lot of big pulls in plaguefall

[manic bridge]

i feel ya @vast patio im with 213 /200 Dagger and out dps Some of our better Eq Raidmembers

[simple wadi]

Are there? Most are in the 3-5 range if you are using plagueborers properly

And then those big pulls handle themselves

[vast patio]

Margrave gives me anxiety. At any moment the healer and all brezes will derp out and die.

[honest lake]

There is a sim comparison for 9.0.5 of all class dps?

[balmy condor]

Only big pulls I think about in plaguefall are blobs at the start, then like middle platform on the river, and trash at the end boss

[simple wadi]

A lot of people shroud skipping that middle pick now too

[balmy condor]

No, but there will be on Tuesday most likely

[honest lake]

Thank you

[eternal sleet]

what are these shortcuts for ?

[balmy condor]

Wouldn’t surprise me if some classes aren’t fully updated with 9.05 stuff

[balmy condor]

Planned execution, count the odds, the bis conduits for sub/outlaw

[eternal sleet]

oh ty i wass searching for sin conduits couldnt find any named like that xD

[rocky sluice]

hey all, do you think assassination will be the best ST spec? and should I go venthyr if I am an outlaw main (mythic + is my focus) I also raid and want to b up there with my guild when I mythic raid with them

i'm also hearing Necro is the way to go for mythic +

[ornate gazelle]

Anyone know offhand how much of a difference the dot tick from SBS will be with mastery affecting it now?

[balmy condor]

If m+ with outlaw is your focus, go necro, if your team needs a venthyr, go venthyr, if you don’t need either, feel free to stay fae out of laziness, kyrian sucks fuck kyrian

[balmy condor]

20% mastery = 20% more damage from the dot

[stoic needle]

My group was doing some spicy double pulls in pf last night but I could see doomblade being good there for sure

[balmy condor]

The double pulls were all borer pulls tho right

[stoic needle]

Ok wait so has anyone tried soloing dr. Ickus in m0 yet

[balmy condor]

What?

[subtle kiln]

would assume so.

or misspulls

[stoic needle]

Soloing dr ickus in m0 to try to get a Phial

[onyx wind]

XD

[balmy condor]

Why would you do that

[stoic needle]

To get a Phial...?

So you can upgrade it?

[balmy condor]

You could just... get a group and do a 2?

[rocky sluice]

Thanks for the response Lol, I want to go Venthyr assassination for mythic raid

[balmy condor]

Or a 3?

[subtle kiln]

just get it from box 4head

[balmy condor]

Or a 4?

[subtle kiln]

or farm 10s

[balmy condor]

Why would you force yourself into a m0 where you’re just stuck with a lockout

[onyx wind]

I think he meant it half jokingly

[bold mortar]

Hi guys quick question, I've currently got a assassination rogue at lvl 57, with the new changes coming on Wednesday, is Night Fae still the best covenant or is it another covenant now?

[signal sluice]

hey boys 🙂 what is best legend for assa? 🙂

[stoic needle]

Because you could probably do it pretty fast, and there's a chance you just get it

It's not like you just try the one m0 and then quit for the week

[subtle kiln]

or make friends with a DH that has a 226 pox so you can trade them phial and they trade you pox.

[stoic needle]

But it seems like an option

[onyx wind]

Doesnt it cost a lot more valor points to upgrade it from m0 tho?

[balmy condor]

The chance is practically just as high as a normal key

[balmy condor]

It does

[vast patio]

Is it a fixed cost per upgrade or does it scale like honor?

[onyx wind]

Fixed

[vast patio]

And how big are the leaps

[balmy condor]

Pins

[onyx wind]

Trinket is 400 valor pr upgrade

Weapon is 500 afaik

[subtle kiln]

this is per upgrade

[vast patio]

What are the ilvl leaps?

[balmy condor]

3-4 ilvl per up

[vast patio]

Oof.

[minor thicket]

so doomblade is best ST

[balmy condor]

Yes

[onyx wind]

Are people doing weird shenanigans with doomblade in the API?

[stoic needle]

Jesus that's a lot of extra

[onyx wind]

like tab-mutilating or smth

[balmy condor]

No

[onyx wind]

or is it just that strong on ST

that it carries

[balmy condor]

I don’t understand the question

[onyx wind]

compared to say zoldyck

Im wondering why doomblade sims high in dungeon slice

[stoic needle]

I mean you should tab mutilate on 3 targets

[minor thicket]

is the rotation stuff on wowhead accurate with the changes you aware?

[balmy condor]

Probably not

[onyx wind]

And hectic add cleave

[subtle kiln]

doomblade claps the target you are on

[vast patio]

Pretty much no reason not to.

[subtle kiln]

nothing more nothing less

[stoic needle]

But yes the st of doomblade is good enough that it makes it competitive in a dslice sim because a lot of dslice is st

[balmy condor]

Bout half

[subtle kiln]

and firemages and boomkins exist in the world

[onyx wind]

Alright thanks

[north basin]

need bot on this channel to react and autoreply on words BEST / WHICH/ SPEC / COVENANT/ LEGENDARY and question sign - ?

[vast patio]

Fire mages are being buffed, too. Lul

[balmy condor]

That’s me

[north basin]

lewl

[subtle kiln]

why? @balmy condor lives here to answer all degen questions despite there being pins.

[north basin]

need response while he resting!

[balmy condor]

I make the pins, they don’t read it, I answer the questions, but they repeat it, I am a husk

[subtle kiln]

nah just keep pinging him. eventually he gets up. @balmy condor @balmy condor @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

Almost a haiku, by whispyr

[subtle kiln]

it’s like Fuu in sub

[stoic needle]

Think about all of the mastery build theorycrafting that whispyr could be doing if he wasn't answering the same questions over and over

[balmy condor]

So... none?

[stoic needle]

Smh non-believer

[balmy condor]

I don’t need to theorycraft to tell me that mastery is trash

[stoic needle]

That's a weird way to spell for chads

[hollow barn]

Remember when the the crucible was bugged and mastery was big pump with fan of knives

[balmy condor]

Osh, you realize that if the mastery meme catches on and we have a 34% crit situation on our hands, it’s YOUR ass, right?

[slender berry]

wait what did i read that correcly , mastery is the best stat in 9.0.5? wow

[stoic needle]

There's no way it's gonna catch on because I say it's shit every time I talk about it

[balmy condor]

I’m gonna make venthyr flagellation look like a McDonald’s ball pit

[stoic needle]

So if people believe it it's not my fault

[balmy condor]

Fucking swear to god

[dull fulcrum]

Dangerous for unvaccinated children?

[balmy condor]

Innocent looking until the parties involved mysteriously disappear

[dull fulcrum]

[near apex]

Isn’t mastery losing to vers just because snd is a thing and we melee 300 times/second?

[balmy condor]

I mean, kinda, yeh

The conversion from rating to percent on mastery is also kinda shit imo

But I don’t do balance on that so what do I know

[stoic needle]

Isn't it higher than vers

I thought the conversion rate was pretty good

[balmy condor]

If the conversion rate was good, we would’ve seen mastery be a good stat since bfa when they changed it to affect bleeds

[sick plank]

Wow is it true mastery is best now?

[balmy condor]

But it hasn’t been a good stat

It’s been like 3rd, maybe 2nd on some gear sets for a brief period during ny’alotha

But you would toss on like 4 mastery gems and then mastery would be bad again

[stoic needle]

Stop memeing

[onyx wind]

How does necro/venthyr comparison look on cleave?

Im assuming necro wins, but by how much

[balmy condor]

1 pin

[stoic needle]

[balmy condor]

Just a crumb of pin

[onyx wind]

Aight

[vivid tulip]

Thanks for the sims guys. Y’all rock

[gusty mirage]

SBS was critting for 5.5k for me on PTR

[balmy condor]

You’re welcome

[balmy condor]

[gusty mirage]

Can’t test flag cuz I was a vamp boy and blizz won’t let me switch

[onyx wind]

Same :(

[balmy condor]

It’s more than that

[onyx wind]

I was a flag boy before it was cool

[fluid moth]

I have a question, I'm new to assassination but we don't use Ambush in the opener out of stealth with subterfuge? Mutilate is better?

[onyx wind]

Because it literally wasnt cool

it was shit

so i swapped off B)

[balmy condor]

Correct

[limber lion]

Some of the people in my guild are so annoying

[gusty mirage]

Yeah I’m coming back home to sinfall

[fluid moth]

Is there ever a time to use Ambush or should I just take it off my bars? Lol

[stoic needle]

Venthyr in exile gang

[gusty mirage]

Blindside procs I believe

[balmy condor]

Blindside is our best single target talent in that row

[fluid moth]

ahhh

okay

[onyx wind]

9.0.5 sims from herodamage

[gusty mirage]

[vivid tulip]

Have u guys decided which covenant to switch to? I swapped the venthyr today. Renown 16 now hah

[onyx wind]

Nvm, thats without full soulbinds

Yea im going venthyr

its too broken not to take

[balmy condor]

Bloodmallet and herodamage also use weird profiles most of the time and casting patchwerk and all sorts of weird shit

Literally haven’t opened either one in like 9 months

[gusty mirage]

Tru

[stoic needle]

rogue
broken

Pick one

[fluid moth]

what are the chances they nerf flag you guys think? lol

[limber lion]

The current HeroDamage sims have also been updated 2 weeks ago, not for 9.0.5

[balmy condor]

Fairly low

[onyx wind]

Lets be honest, sin is looking really strong after buffs

[limber lion]

So they are missing the envenom pandemic bug and any of the updates for 9.0.5

[onyx wind]

Looks like theyd rather buff other covenants than nerf

Atleast for rogues

[gusty mirage]

They may end up nerfing it in pvp like they did to echoing reprimand, but that’s the only nerf I can think of

[fluid moth]

ya that's good

[balmy condor]

The conduit might get hit

But aside from that

Meh

[limber lion]

Actually, apparently it's for 9.0.5 but that can't be right because they announced a lot of the bug fixes/changes a few days ago, not 2 weeks ago.

Oh well.

[onyx wind]

Yea conduit is a bit broken

[fluid moth]

yes they'll nerf it in pvp but buff arms warriors again lul

[limber lion]

I guess we gotta get duelist before they nerf it

[serene glacier]

https://i.imgur.com/WpGTTsN.png thanks callings

[stoic needle]

If cto hasn't been nerfed I doubt they will nerf lashing

[onyx wind]

Do conduits drop from normal callings or only epic ones

[gusty mirage]

Both

[onyx wind]

To me it looks like only epic ones

[fallow notch]

Is Lash bis? Or do we use Lash and CTO

[onyx wind]

Ah so the chance is just a lot higher?

[serene glacier]

got it from normal one

[gusty mirage]

Just the epic callings have a higher chance

[balmy condor]

Never use cto on sin

[onyx wind]

what is CTO

[gusty mirage]

Count the odds, outlaw conduit

[shadow helm]

LOL

CTO GANG

[onyx wind]

Is it actually good

[north basin]

lets roll the bones on sin!

[onyx wind]

5 seconds doesnt seem like a lot

[limber lion]

I got 2 Lashing Scars, first one from an epic tribute, the second one from a normal one.

[onyx wind]

But i guessu spam it later on

in execute

[vivid tulip]

Cto is mad good for outlaw

[onyx wind]

Yea but im talking sin

[onyx wind]

So sad i cant swap until next week

Wish i could farm renown/conduit already

[limber lion]

But we'll be getting the conduit from heroic Sire at 213 ilvl anyways, right boys?

[north basin]

world boss drop it aswell do he?

[limber lion]

Yeah, but the chance is quite low.

[shadow helm]

do i have to

get the conduit again

[onyx wind]

The drop chance is 100% if its the world boss attached to ur covenant

[shadow helm]

if i switch

[limber lion]

Yes.

[onyx wind]

So if we get venthyr boss its 100%

[gusty mirage]

Y’all are actually getting something besides 73g from the world boss?

[fallow notch]

Ohh yeah I kinda brainfarted there. I mean WPS ofc

[silk wadi]

Anyone thinking to wait switching, but get to renown 40 before that? Just to get AV, title whatsoever.. It feels wierd to switch right before getting to 40 renown 😄

[limber lion]

Lashing scars (until it gets nerfed, then switch to WPS)

[onyx wind]

Switching resets weekly quests so go for it

You dont lose out on anything

[north basin]

so if we save stygia lil bit and get one from sire. soo then we can pray gods and get 226 right away from venari? thats the plan for u guys ye?XD

[onyx wind]

Yes

[silk wadi]

Nice, good to know and thanks @onyx wind

[onyx wind]

Otherwise its just 1700 more to get it 226

[gusty mirage]

That’s a lot of stygia, considering you’d need every conduit at 213 to roll the 226

[shadow helm]

doubt they'll nerf lashing tho

[onyx wind]

Yea

[north basin]

i have every at 213 and couple of 226. and iam the lazy one.

[fallow notch]

Why would it get nerfed. CTO for Outlaw is like double as good as every other potency and isnt nerfed either. Even tho it simmed better WHILE being bugged

[onyx wind]

This conduit exists

XD

[fallow notch]

And yeah Infernal Cascade too

[gusty mirage]

Well every other potency conduit for outlaw is pretty useless tbh plus blizzard hate us

[onyx wind]

With flag, are we finally PI-worthy on pull?

Disregarding UH

just say yes please

[shadow helm]

do u want that shit on ur logs

PI WHORE

[gusty mirage]

Just become friends with your priests, bribe them pre raid

[onyx wind]

Its just for progress :)):)

[gusty mirage]

Yes. Yes I do

[onyx wind]

Noone cares abt the PI's only the %

Was fine when i played sub but

If other rogues are gonna get PI, it might get annoying :(

[indigo mulch]

I'm sure you can do like 95 parses without pi 😮

[onyx wind]

But thats a lot more with PI

[plush basin]

Will sin be close to viable in m15+ now after reworks?

[onyx wind]

It will practically not be much better in m+

But yes its viable for +15's

[north basin]

runing casually 15 in sin. and its fine

[dense hamlet]

it allready is very viable

[plush basin]

I've been running outlaw, but it's so meh for ST

[split veldt]

why cant refined palate and exacting prep be bis, they are way cooler

[dense hamlet]

you know the thing

assa can run Ma for tnw items

idk if it works but it should

[outer estuary]

idk sin feels like some 200iq multidot shit

while outlaw is ooga booga bladeflurry

[split veldt]

multidot is lyfe

i love the play style

outlaw is all about bones

management

and it's so zzzzzzzzzzzz

rtb is the worst thing blizz ever did to rogues imo

[real bay]

there isnt a lot to manage about rtb

weakaura does the thinking for you XD

[split veldt]

to an extent

[outer estuary]

maybe my ui is just trash

but feels weird to track dots in aoe

[stoic needle]

Get better nameplates

Plater is my favorite

[outer estuary]

im using plater

but profile

is scuffed

[stoic needle]

I can share mine if you want

[outer estuary]

sure

[zenith ravine]

im thinking about going venthyr right now, anyone else make the plunge?

[silk wadi]

everyone would probably appreciate it oshosi 😄

[outer estuary]

tbh im going venthyr either way

but I also dont main rogue atm

[stoic needle]

[strange python]

I made the switch last night

[hollow escarp]

the vampire curse is upon us

everybody gets bitten

[steel bane]

are you switching from fae?

[strange python]

I did. I miss soul shape though

[onyx wind]

Dont worry guys, next patch they will buff the other covenants so u have to swap back again

[lament dove]

once you have the renown swapping is just waiting for next weekly reset

[onyx wind]

Yea if ur swapping back to one u had before

[steel bane]

yeah, timed gated by reset thing needs to go

like whyy

[onyx wind]

I think its fair to get punished for swapping off a bad covenant!

And then swapping back once it gets fixed!

[stoic needle]

Meaningful choice

[onyx wind]

They should also make u pay 500k g for swapping

Like in classic

[stoic needle]

Slow down there satan

[onyx wind]

Dont worry guys, just get every covenant's renown to 40 before 9.1 hits

So u can swap to the next bis covenant then

And not be behind

😎

[quick vale]

To be fair, at least it's not as bad as other classes that have dead covenants 🙂

[zenith ravine]

I just switched venthyr, its probably required to finish the campaign for all the renown correct?

[onyx wind]

^Yea

[dark crag]

Sepsis will be the next

[onyx wind]

The catchup cap is (max - (campaign+weekly))

[lone moth]

will i be able to get like 30 renown if i switch to venth now

till wednesday

[steel bane]

yes

[left abyss]

Hey guys, how come crits with ambush are only 3 CP and mutilate is 4?

does Mut hit twice or something

[steel bane]

1 extra cp for each dagger

you strike with both hands

[lone moth]

and venth was the way to go right

[hollow escarp]

not yet, will decide in the next 2 weeks

if I get bitten or not

[stoic needle]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-frog-vampire-scary-muppets-gif-9902311

[wind nacelle]

Tbh

I decided to switch after all

[lone moth]

[wind nacelle]

Was doing a raid yesterday, every single burrs got avoided by the boss because they got moved

So annoying

[hollow escarp]

[lone moth]

what did u go for

[wind nacelle]

Venthyr

[wind nacelle]

[hollow escarp]

I don't even track burrs

it's just passive damage and totally out of my control

well, I still need to press buttons to proc it but other than that, what can you do?

[limber lion]

Yeah same. I have no clue when it procs and honestly I have no clue what it even looks like lmao

I just look at my details and see it there.

[wind nacelle]

Blue pool on the ground with branches in it

gets triggered

[wind nacelle]

Nothing, but it still annoys me a bit 😂

[lean geyser]

Is sin good in pvp?

[hollow escarp]

better than outlaw

[uneven summit]

worse than sub

[hollow escarp]

I've seen somebody boosting 2s as sin rogue

[boreal vale]

can i switch venthyr on ptr for testing purposes?

[hollow escarp]

yes, but you will need to farm renown if you wanna test soulbinds

it's not like beta or tournament realm

[boreal vale]

ah

thats unfortunate

[sterile jackal]

with doomblade leggo we should take PB or CT?

[hollow escarp]

if you got CT you are probably doing M+ so zoldyck might be better

so PB for single target with doomblade

[sterile jackal]

yea, i will craft zold next

i got MA, but it sucks

[limber lion]

Lmao

MA is top tier breh

[sterile jackal]

with MA you should skip all garrotes just to pump fans

and garrotes are pretty good

[limber lion]

No you shouldn't

[sterile jackal]

so 4 sec MA buff is almost unused on packs

or i'm dumb and do not know how to use it

[limber lion]

Definitely, MA has a lot of value whenever you vanish on packs. It's also far superior than Zoldyck on bosses.

The opener is a bit FeelsBadMan with MA

[sterile jackal]

k, so we use MA once per 2 min

[limber lion]

No, you still get value out of it during the opener

[sterile jackal]

on mini bosses and boss

[limber lion]

And you literally get a lot more value out of it on bosses and whenever you have targets to focus down

[sterile jackal]

hm

will think about it

[honest lake]

Guys, I was in SOA after change to venthyr and for some reason In a specific pull i hit for 40k dps but I am not sure why, couldn`t check it in details

[tawny crescent]

Anyone else having issue with picking up the "common ground" quest after swapping covenant to Venthyr? I'm renown 6, but NPC is invisible

[limber lion]

Some have had similar issues. Doing a calling will make it work, but apparently some are not seeing any callings either.

When you do a calling tomorrow, it should work. Open a ticket if it doesn't.

[onyx wind]

How do we play with MA in m+?

Seems hard to get any use out of outside of bosses

[limber lion]

You don't really play around it, you still apply 3 garrotes during subterfuge window.

It's really valuable for bosses, mini-bosses and prides.

[onyx wind]

Wouldnt doomblade just fill that niche better then?

[limber lion]

If your group is missing ST damage, MA is the play. If you're looking to get a higher overall number, Zoldyck will probably do that better.

Currently no. Doomblade is bad.

Maybe on reset day.

MA provides a lot more burst though.

[onyx wind]

Idk

Considering sin is bad for m+ anyway, it wont really matter ig but

I have a really hard time seeing why MA would be better than any other legendary in any circumstances

[limber lion]

Sin is not bad for m+

But okidoki

[onyx wind]

Yes it is bad lol

[limber lion]

It's not bad

[stoic needle]

No it's not

[onyx wind]

Its not useless but its bad

[limber lion]

You've literally never played it I assume

Or you just don't know how to play it

[onyx wind]

I played 2 keys today

I did good damage

[limber lion]

+3?

[onyx wind]

But compared to meta classes it does nothing

+15

[limber lion]

Then you play it poorly

Because I average 6.8k-7.5k on keys

[onyx wind]

Yes, same

[limber lion]

Which is well above classes like Marksmanship Hunter

And Boomkin

[onyx wind]

I did 6.5k in my first key

its not lol

[limber lion]

???

[onyx wind]

boomie does 9-10k overall

[limber lion]

No they don't

[stoic needle]

Lol what

[limber lion]

what

[stoic needle]

No they don't

[limber lion]

Are you drunk

[onyx wind]

In high keys they do

[limber lion]

Well

[onyx wind]

Idc about 15's

[limber lion]

You're not playing high keys are you?

Exactly

[onyx wind]

Every class can play 15's

[limber lion]

Well why are you talking shit then

If you compare your shitty performance in a +15 to someone in a +25

Like what

[onyx wind]

I didnt perform bad

Idk why ur so obsessed with making it about me

[limber lion]

You literally said that assa is bad in m+ which is not true.

[desert rain]

Imagine thinking assa does more overall than boomkin and MM lmao, is your tank pulling 3 mobs at a time or?

[onyx wind]

Its obviously not a meta spec for a reason

Yes, assa is bad in m+

But everything is relative

[desert rain]

Bad in the sense of not S tier for sure

[limber lion]

Assa does more damage the longer mobs live

[onyx wind]

I meant bad compared to meta stuff

[limber lion]

So the higher the key, the more damage it does.

[onyx wind]

I didnt mean bad compared to a random mage in your 15 keys

[limber lion]

The more mobs the tanks pull (which they do on higher keys) the more damage you do

[stoic needle]

It's dumb to even make the comparison

[limber lion]

You will never see a boomkin do 10k overall in a +15

[stoic needle]

Of course sin isn't as good as the brokenly overpowered classes

The sky is also blue

[onyx wind]

I never said they do 10k overall in a +15

Random pug

[limber lion]

Then why are you comparing your 6.5k in a +15 to someone doing a high key

It's not a fair comparison in any way

You should compare them both on the same key level

[onyx wind]

What man...

[limber lion]

It's a fact that sin is awful compared to stuff like Fire mages if the tank pulls 8 mobs at a time

But sin is literally not a bad spec in m+

[onyx wind]

What is a bad spec in m+

in your eyes

i really want to know

[limber lion]

Idk

I just play Assa

[onyx wind]

Maybe theres the problem

[quick vale]

I think what they are saying is, assassination isn’t in the MDI meta, therefore they are bad.

[onyx wind]

They arent even played in high keys

[stoic needle]

But the mdi meta doesn't matter to 99% of people

You don't even play high keys yourself so why do you care

[quick vale]

Exactly. Idk why people put so much stock into the meta

[onyx wind]

Why do i need to play high keys to care

[quick vale]

Everything can do higher than 15s

[limber lion]

Assa is rarely played anywhere because Outlaw exists. People who care pushing extremely high keys just play Outlaw

[onyx wind]

also why are u making this about me

[limber lion]

But the difference between Outlaw and Assa is not as big as you make it out to be

[stoic needle]

Because you're the one saying sin is bad in m+

Which is just objectively not true

[quick vale]

You are saying Assa is bad. It’s not

[onyx wind]

Whats a bad spec to you in m+ oshosi

[limber lion]

Yeah, make fair comparisons next time.

You can't compare a +15 key's dps to a +25 key

[onyx wind]

Im not doing that what

[limber lion]

Because in +25 they are FORCED to pull very dense packs

You literally said earlier "boomie does 10k"

But it doesn't

In a +15

[onyx wind]

I never said boomies do 10k in a +15

[limber lion]

No you didn't

But you said that Assa does 6.5k in a +15

How much does Assa do in a similar key where a Boomkin does 10k?

[onyx wind]

No i said that i do 6.5k overall in a +15

First time playing it

[stoic needle]

A bad spec for m+ to me is like.. feral or sub or shadow

[limber lion]

How much do you think Assa does in a similar key to what your referencing the boomkin to doing?

[onyx wind]

How would i know

[limber lion]

Exactly

Then why are you saying it's a bad spec

[onyx wind]

How would you know?

[limber lion]

If you don't even know the numbers

"assa is bad"

How much damage does it do?

"idk"

[onyx wind]

What...

[stoic needle]

I mean that's what you're saying

[limber lion]

Yeah, legit

[quick vale]

Must be trolling 😂

[onyx wind]

I said assa is bad in m+

Compared to meta classes

[limber lion]

You started this shit by saying it's a bad spec without any proper comparisons or evidence.

[stoic needle]

Nah you didn't even qualify 'compared to meta classes' to begin with

You just said it was bad

[onyx wind]

Okay but i clarified that

And you are still arguing against me

So..?

[stoic needle]

But why even make that comparison

No shit that it's not as good as fire mage

[onyx wind]

What do you mean why

[dense axle]

Sub isn't that bad for keys tho

[stoic needle]

Who cares?

[onyx wind]

We were talking about legendaries

[stoic needle]

Why state the obvious

[onyx wind]

What

is wrong with u LOL

Are u jsut looking to argue

[limber lion]

Assa is a very good spec in M+ for keys at the 15-20 range. It drops off quite a bit after that because the tank is forced to pull a lot denser packs, which classes like Fire Mages get a lot of value out of, whereas Assa doesn't as much.

Flat out saying that "assa is bad" is just not true.

[strange python]

Last night I ran a key with an equally geared boomy. I was running doomblade. (bad I know). On most boss fight I pulled ahead. Overall I was 100 dps behind him. We are decent players. This was only a 14 key

[limber lion]

It's not exactly competitive in MDI or +25's, but it's not a bad spec whatsoever.

[onyx wind]

Im not calling the spec bad

Im saying that in mythic +

[daring plover]

assa is trash bro ignore these haters @onyx wind

[onyx wind]

it is worse than meta specs

Thats all im saying

[limber lion]

I've been doing 16-20 keys this week and I've been #1 or #2 dps every single dungeon.

I guess I'm just playing with absolute trash players every day. Unlucky

[limber lion]

THIS is a fact.

But that's not what you were saying in the beginning

[onyx wind]

I clarified

And you kept arguing against me

[limber lion]

Okay good, we gucci then

[onyx wind]

So whats the issue

[stoic needle]

I just hate this 'if you're not first you're last' mentality

[gentle gyro]

i think no one would say otherwise

[hollow escarp]

people still think rogues are meant to do DPS in dungeons?

[limber lion]

Okay chill boys, he just misspoke.

[onyx wind]

I made a sidehanded comment while discussing legendaries

[limber lion]

We all agree that Assa is not as good as most meta specs.

[onyx wind]

And you strawman that into an argument that lasts 10 minutes longer after my clarification

Good job man

Ill be more careful choosing my words in the future!

[brittle pawn]

Conditioner is better. It makes the hair silky and smooth.

[cinder lion]

true

[onyx wind]

I never misspoke

[tight ginkgo]

You made a pretty unclear statement when you said “sin is bad”

[limber lion]

There's 3 comments about you flat out saying that it's bad in m+

[onyx wind]

Yes

[limber lion]

I said it's not bad, you said "it is bad lol"

[onyx wind]

Thats just about what you find bad

In my eyes, its bad

[limber lion]

That's literally you misspeaking. You should have clarified from the start that it's not great compared to meta classes.

[brittle pawn]

How about we all discuss stat weights and breakpoints instead

[onyx wind]

Since its not competitive with meta specs

The word "bad" is subjective

So why try to argue against my definition of it

[limber lion]

I'm still working on my 34% haste so I can scale better. What are the breakpoints for crit, do you know?

[onyx wind]

Its not misspeaking

[stoic needle]

Y'all ain't ready for the 40% mastery giga evenom build

[brittle pawn]

I think you want at least more than 0%, once you're past that you probably want all mastery

[limber lion]

Tbh, you should stay NF for giga Envenoms

Missing out on Grove Invig is a bit of a hit on that.

[stoic needle]

Theotar though

[lusty bane]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[limber lion]

Yeah, I guess Theotar's effect is similar. Does the shaded area land in melee range of the mob your targetting or is it just randomly around you?

[past bobcat]

Odds Venth gets nerfed though

[lusty bane]

!guies

[past bobcat]

and everyone goes back to ight fae

[stoic needle]

It's directly on top of you

[lusty bane]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[limber lion]

Oh, that makes it better.

[strange python]

They are to close to each other to nerf. They didn't touch warrior vamps yet

[limber lion]

The wording makes it seem like it just drops somewhere and you have to step in it.

[stoic needle]

That's not really guaranteed. Cto is better than lashing by at least 2x and hasn't been nerfed. Without lashing it's still .5% better than NF

[honest lake]

If they nerf venth , they should nerf wild spirit and convoke

[forest nacelle]

if im necrolord, would that still put me ahead in ST (switching from SUB)

[plush basin]

im looking to craft my first sin leggo, is doomblade going to be the way to go if I roll venth?

[limber lion]

Compared to sub, yes.

[forest nacelle]

ok ty

[limber lion]

For your first legendary, I would probably get Zoldyck or MA first. Doomblade is pretty much only good for ST.

[past bobcat]

But say you have MA already

[plush basin]

I have MA

[past bobcat]

Then go Doomblade?

[bronze forum]

Hello, what stats should I put on doomblade?

[limber lion]

Yeah, you can go Doomblade next then.

[strange python]

@stoic needle Cto?

[limber lion]

Haste > Versa=Crit

[brittle pawn]

Count the odds

[strange python]

Thx

[bronze forum]

Is it worth to sim or I just put haste + the one I like the most?

[onyx wind]

Not worth to sim as stat weights are dynamic

[limber lion]

You can sim it, but you can just alter your gear around the legendary anyways. Like enchants/gems and whatnot

[brittle pawn]

I did haste vers because of pvp

[limber lion]

Doesn't really matter honestly.

[onyx wind]

^

Haste vers is nice if you PvP

[honest lake]

I will play sin in raid, and outlaw in dungeon.
I will craft doom

[bronze forum]

Okay, thanks

[onyx wind]

I already have insane amount of vers from playing sub so

[plush basin]

shoulders or hands? doesnt matter I guess?

[onyx wind]

Not sure what im gonna do

Depends on whether u think ur gonna kill stone legion generals on mythic

If not, then no it doesnt matter

[wild birch]

Do you wait for vendetta to sepsis or do it on cooldown?

[limber lion]

Yeah, delay Sepsis for Vendetta/Vanish

[wild birch]

Thanks

[limber lion]

Also use Shiv right after Sepsis.

[wild birch]

ofc

[pulsar sluice]

did LFR and normal so far im at 14 renown

[strange python]

Did they fix SBS bug with exsang.

[spice spire]

yes they did

[plush basin]

Doomblade good for pvp? Or do most sin rogues run with MA?

[gusty mirage]

doomblade's good for pvp, but a lot of people go MA for the burst from crit

[honest lake]

.

[strange python]

@limber lion after reset. Do you cast flag on cooldown or hold for vendetta?

[worldly bridge]

how do u sim for Inerva MM ? Patchwerk 6 or Hectic Cleave ?

[stoic needle]

@wild birch technically you only do this on the last sepsis of the fight iirc

[sleek sparrow]

You do it if you won't miss an extra cast

[slender urchin]

If you have anima in your bag (not yet deposited), can you use that immediately for a new covenant if you switch>

[sleek sparrow]

Yes

[worldly bridge]

Is there a big diff between Double Sinful Revelation // Sinful+Guidance ? Like smthing more ST, the other for cleave idk

[sleek sparrow]

You shouldn't do double sinful period

[gusty mirage]

double sinful works like double nav enchants did in bfa doesn't stack

afaik

[worldly bridge]

aw didnt know ty

[stoic needle]

@outer estuary @silk wadi https://wago.io/0xB3yNIxB here's my plater profile!

[gusty mirage]

@stoic needle I want to switch but I fucking hate door dash

😦

[iron orchid]

dots on the left bro

[stoic needle]

they are on the left!

[iron orchid]

Nah they are the top left, not left, growing left

[stoic needle]

oh ew

i tried that and i hate it

[reef orchid]

how do yall use vendetta in m+

[gusty mirage]

@stoic needle give me some red kool-aid

[iron orchid]

I guess that's just a me thing

[gusty mirage]

push me to the correct path

[stoic needle]

on CD and on prides

[iron orchid]

prio targets, prides, bosses

mostly on CD

[stoic needle]

don't save it

[reef orchid]

so say use it during a pack of 5 mobs, do you tunnel the vendetta target or keep the spreading ruptures

[iron orchid]

If you ever save it, the thing you save it for has to be a target of primary importance