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nocturne hawk
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and this is the way

strange python
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Hello, for 9.0.5 we still use same talents? (Venth and doomblade)

faint harness
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people can be wrong

balmy condor
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Most people just take single target talents and don’t bother swapping

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The difference isn’t that big

slow marsh
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I think that with dragging boss to shades for sure makes it worth to take CT for p2 alone

balmy condor
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I think it’s worth even if you don’t

nocturne hawk
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Shii I'll giver a go on tues

slow marsh
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I thought Poison was better for 2 but makes sense with zold I suppose

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CT seems to be better and better than at the start of patch I guess

nocturne hawk
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Our tank doesn't drag, sucks ass for us hand full of melee

vivid tulip
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Just swapped to venthyr!

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Hope they don’t tune it too quickly haha

hearty solstice
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DKs should be gripping shades

nocturne hawk
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Might just tunnel boss next week and see if I get yelled at lol

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We only have one, and he grips one shade onto the other

stoic needle
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Dos, top and nw left for ksm POGSPIN

hearty solstice
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One DK 🤔

slow marsh
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Easier to just drag boss to shades so that's sus of tanjs

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Tanks

stoic needle
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About to do nw

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My last farewell to MA cheese

balmy condor
nocturne hawk
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My raid is casual aotc, everyone has jobs n kids n shit lol

slow marsh
split veldt
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refined palate or wasteland propriety for theo

slow marsh
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Tea time

balmy condor
balmy condor
stoic needle
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I've had double potency simming better for theotar but whispyr gets wasteland propriety

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I'm gonna do some more sims and see what's up

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If it's a gear thing or what

split veldt
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word

balmy condor
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That double potency shit real weird man

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I’ve tried like 210 ilvl profiles with 226 conduits

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And it still shows wasteland

slow marsh
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I guess it would depend on how much vers you have /shrug

balmy condor
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So you either got some weird profile shenanigan or what

stoic needle
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Is it really that hard to believe that extra shiv damage beats out some vers every 1.5m with flag

balmy condor
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Not quite sure what’s happening there

stoic needle
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Yeah we'll see when I run the sims again

balmy condor
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I mean, it shouldn’t really make a difference either way

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They’re both trash

split veldt
stoic needle
slow marsh
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Tru

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Imagine having good conduits

stoic needle
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Let's enjoy lashing before it gets nerfed

balmy condor
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People arguing about soulbinds when lashing is half of the value of an entire soulbind

slow marsh
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If they nerf lashing I'll rage quit

faint harness
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if they nerf lashing they are on some cooked shit

stoic needle
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Sounds like blizzard tbh

thick lodge
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fucking renown im stuck at 13 cause i did a weekly quest

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soft capped until reset

drifting cloud
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thats not how it works

slow marsh
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Do some m2s

balmy condor
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Capped at 13

thick lodge
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just did 4 normal bosses and 1 renown

faint harness
balmy condor
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When the cap is like 963

balmy condor
drifting cloud
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im 23 and I swapped less than 24h ago

balmy condor
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That’s normal

thick lodge
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u do the weeklys?

faint harness
thick lodge
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the 1000 anima and the maw?

drifting cloud
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I did the anima one yes, waiting for 24 for souls upgrade

balmy condor
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I did the weeklies when I swapped

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And I’m at 27 now

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I swapped Wednesday night

slow marsh
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It's 2 renown. That's not soft capping you. Do content and you'll get renown

lean geyser
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Is everyone swapping to venthyr?

balmy condor
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No

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Some are staying nf

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Some are going necro

slow marsh
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Just the true believers

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But na they are actually all very similar now so just people wanting to test new waters

balmy condor
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There’s also been concerns about venthyr during uptime

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Which is insane to me tbh

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Cause people would still play sub if it’s 5% above sin

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But they don’t play venthyr because they might lose 50 dps from having to move

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Kinda weird logic to me

hollow escarp
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well it's not the same

balmy condor
hollow escarp
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need to build combo points for new flag

balmy condor
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Okay

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And?

hollow escarp
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so downtime hurts more

balmy condor
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During those exact 12 seconds

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Sure

drifting cloud
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it lasts 12s if you cant predict whats happening in the next 12s

slow marsh
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I mean most of the time you will vendetta in a flag window anyways so

balmy condor
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Also what mechanic are you off the boss for more than 5 seconds

hollow escarp
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that's true but saying that it's weird logic WeirdDude

balmy condor
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Consume on hungering?

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What else

slow marsh
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If mechanics are an issue for using flag then you should pay more attention to mechanic timers

hollow escarp
balmy condor
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Ah yes

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Of course

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The “WELL IT COULD MAYBE BE BAD IF THERE ARE THINGS THAT EXIST”

hollow escarp
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?????

subtle tundra
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yea if i have to afk 2 min it might be a dps loss

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not sure tho

silent tinsel
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I only got 10 renown

balmy condor
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Idk

slow marsh
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Thrill seeker is the only annoying thing sometimes but even then it's not bad after actually using it

balmy condor
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It just doesn’t make sense to me

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People will play sub and go “it sims higher than sin”

wary pawn
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sin needs 2 daggers right?

balmy condor
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When sub suffers so much harder

sleek sparrow
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Downtime hurts your dps SurprisedPika?

slow marsh
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And I used to claim the thrill seeker not being on demand is annoying argument

balmy condor
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But then venthyr has the potential to maybe lose a little bit more than normal

hollow escarp
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ok, jump on the wagon

balmy condor
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And everyone loses their mind

hollow escarp
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nobody loses their mind though

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everybody is going venthyr PEPW

balmy condor
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There was a huge argument about it earlier today

hollow escarp
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you just said it's weird logic, which I don't think it is

slow marsh
subtle tundra
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im going venthyr just so i can be non night fae for m+ 🙂

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and also ill play outlaw in m+

balmy condor
oblique copper
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almost every healer is venthyr anyways

balmy condor
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Fuck fae I’m going kyrian

sleek sparrow
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Wut

slow marsh
balmy condor
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Kyrian doesn’t suffer from any downtime kappaLarge

sleek sparrow
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Shaman pally and druids are usually not venthyr

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Pally is like 50/50

oblique copper
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all good m+ paladins are venthyr

subtle tundra
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ah yes

hollow escarp
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sounds like it's the same logic as why zoldyck was better than other legendaries that sim higher, so we all recommend zoldyck for the niche and now we go the opposite PepeLaugh

sleek sparrow
lament mica
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priests are only venthyr for pvp

slow marsh
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Imagine volunteering for 3-400 dps loss in a spec barely making it

lament mica
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and divine toll is a great m+ ability

balmy condor
drifting cloud
lament mica
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i have no earthly idea what mw goes lol

hollow escarp
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on my char dashing always simmed higher hmm

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but I went with zoldyck

balmy condor
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So yes, we recommended zoldyck when it was almost equal to other bis options, and did. better in aoe, and gave execute

drifting cloud
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yes its better but half the front page is still kyrian

balmy condor
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And now that zold is almost 5% behind doomblade, we’re recommending doomblade for single target

sleek sparrow
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No it's all don't you know

lament mica
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doesn't it have a long ass cd? divine toll is 1 min cd heal everyone to full

balmy condor
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Because the difference is quite large

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Do you see how this works

lament mica
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in super high keys the dmg is great, but divine toll still good

woeful canyon
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!opener

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😦

slow marsh
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You take hpal because of the dmg so it makes sense you would boost dmg. They don't need all the extra healing if your group knows what they're doing

balmy condor
prisma monolithBOT
balmy condor
sleek sparrow
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The main reason paladins go for venthyr is is they are doing the insane pulls planned around it and covenant diversity

subtle tundra
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ashen hollow is overrated in m+ ngl

oblique copper
# drifting cloud lol

Click on any top holypala on rio, what's there to be laughing about?
Ashen Hallow is incredibly strong when it matters, Venthyrs are important to have for the corresponding dungeons and are not popular among the meta dps.
Sorry for the off-topic, but it's not like you are gaining much dungeon-wise by going Venthyr even when pugging as they're very easy to come by.

bright turret
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just say you're playing outlaw and ass as an excuse to go necrolord obv

sleek sparrow
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If you look most pally healers will tell you toll is more consistent

slow marsh
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Pugs never pull big though so do whatever you want I guess

signal gulch
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why does reavenholdt have mastery over vers FeelsWeird

subtle tundra
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if you play outlaw + fire mage prides arent an issue

lament mica
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ok, but regardless the whole argument was "every healer goes venthyr" and that's just not true lol

balmy condor
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I’ll let him know

slow marsh
faint harness
bright turret
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it's what im doing since there is much more cleave/aoe content, but having a good low-variance ST spec will be refreshing

faint harness
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the argument was about telling people venthyr could suffer more from downtime than the other 3 covenants, which is true in every meaning of the word

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denying it is just.. wrong

balmy condor
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That’s the weird one

faint harness
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nobody said venthyr was bad

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its quite the opposite

balmy condor
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Well, not bad, but worse than like necro

faint harness
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someone said its the best in every situation

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and the counter was "well it has a downside if you cant keep uptime"

balmy condor
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Both of those can be true

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But there’s not really any situation atm where the downtime difference hurts venthyr so comparatively hard that it would make it worse than other covenants tbh

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At least the way I see it

faint harness
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probably not in CN

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cus if you've played this raid for a while

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you know exactly when you can use things and not

drifting cloud
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so I dont press flag 1s before blades go out?

balmy condor
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So would you say that during prog next tier, with current numbers, venthyr would be worst?

drifting cloud
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sounds hard

balmy condor
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Or worse at least than like necro

subtle tundra
faint harness
balmy condor
faint harness
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but sub players definitely had issues with CN when it was new

balmy condor
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Yeh

slow marsh
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I'm swapping to mawsworn when it becomes available tbh. These coves have only ever griefed me

drifting cloud
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lol banned streamer has 30k dps after 2nd boss in nw

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wonder why its g etting nerfed

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30k overall that is

balmy condor
shadow helm
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pins cant hurt me

balmy condor
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Right?

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Right?

slow marsh
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God forbid we cheese a mechanic so we can end up on par with fire mage

sleek sparrow
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7/10m

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Still never gotten a skulkers wing

lament mica
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not even from vault? tf

subtle tundra
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10/10 still never did either 🙂

slow marsh
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I get it in heroic every week

shadow helm
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STILL MADE DOOMBLADE SHOULDERS

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FUCK PINS

sleek sparrow
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If those kids could read they'd be very upset

subtle tundra
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i wanna do keys but noone's playing at this time pepehands

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EU life

shadow helm
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imagine if ur guild wants to do slg after downing itonce

sleek sparrow
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They wont

faint harness
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slg not as bad on reclears

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especially if you learn the speed strat

shadow helm
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i am speed

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kachow

lament mica
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ive had a few buddies say to me they are more concerned w/ council reclear than slg. couple of annoying fights

faint harness
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council is much much easier

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than slg

shadow helm
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shriekwing hardest boss confirmed

bright turret
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have your buddies done SLG or are they just crazy

drifting cloud
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council is literally just an easier version of slg

bright turret
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council becomes easier with higher dps, SLG not so much

lament mica
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they are progging sire and just had a lot of problems with council, doesn't mean council is harder. i've mainly heard slg is hardest boss in CN, but im talking reclear not prog

faint harness
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depends on guild

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the whole

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sire vs slg thing

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we killed slg in 170 pulls ish

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sire in 78

bright turret
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were those 170 pre or post nerf?

faint harness
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a friends guild killed slg in 200

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and are over 200 on sire

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atm

bright turret
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they're a bit closer post nerf

arctic walrus
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@balmy condor oi champion, doomblade on tuesday what's the scoop

balmy condor
balmy condor
faint harness
drifting cloud
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vel hunters dont have doomblade

arctic walrus
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4th alt needs to have bis

faint harness
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or well we killed the boss the raid after the first slg nerf to goliath hp

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but it would have died anyway

drifting cloud
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I mean push outside of your example ive yet to see a guild with more wipes on sire than slg 😛

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Ive seen plenty of guilds with slg wipes x2 sire

bright turret
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pre nerf SLG was the real end boss, after all the nerfs they're pretty close to denath

faint harness
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idk about that

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the nerf didnt do much for slg

bright turret
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the SLG nerfs are kind of funny in general since it shows blizzard really doesnt understand the fight problems

faint harness
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fixed the timers, but that kinda fucked everyone that had progged it for a while

bright turret
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the commando hp nerf was big, but that's about it

drifting cloud
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the fight problem is its dogshit designed, nerfs arent gonna fix it

bright turret
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make the intermisson shorter and nerf commandos again

drifting cloud
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theyd literally need to remove a mechanic or neuter it

bright turret
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ezpz

faint harness
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they did fix draven right

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cus he was getting parried or some weird shit

drifting cloud
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like how KJ got a big soak removed at the end lol

faint harness
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i fucking hate draven on that fight

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actual idiot

bright turret
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he isnt as young as he used to be ok

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he should be retired

drifting cloud
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heres hoping I dont have to kill it for another 3 weeks

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I can wait for shoulders

faint harness
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man we spent an entire night

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about 25 wipes

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on learning a new slg strat

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100% worth

drifting cloud
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ye but youre on farm for a month now our farm starts in 4days

faint harness
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ship the speed strat and slg becomes less taxing

drifting cloud
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I doubt sire dies 1st week

shadow helm
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whats speed strat bro omg

faint harness
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took off 3.5 minutes of our first kill

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drifting cloud
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you bring the goliath into 2nd intermission right?

faint harness
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yea

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into both intermissions

drifting cloud
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oh both even

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I mean 8:10 is fast even for sped isnt it

faint harness
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there are faster kills

drifting cloud
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oh, havent checked in a while just saw alot of 8:45 kills

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and a normal 1st kill these days is 11+- 10s

faint harness
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8:02 is zooming

drifting cloud
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did you see DKs 1st council kill?

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8:35 with 5 heals

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after 200 wipes

faint harness
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yea thats insane

drifting cloud
faint harness
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idk wtf happened there

drifting cloud
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okay you literally have 5th fastest kill but not that many people are doing it

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theres alot in the 8:50-9:50 region tho

spare flame
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Will assa be the play on sludgefist now? Trying to decide on what my next legendary will be and Im coming up on Sluge prog

drifting cloud
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yes

faint harness
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and sacrifice some mental for a raid

drifting cloud
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whats a 9:30 kill then

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just 2nd intermission goliath?

faint harness
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perhaps, idk

subtle tundra
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my guild swapped to the bringing goliath strat around the end of prog so we had a shit rank cause we spent too much time on thatpeepochrist

faint harness
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its certainly different

drifting cloud
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ye these speed logs are something else

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just checked bdgg sludge, it hits pillar at 21% and dies 1s after debuff ends with 1 dps dead

faint harness
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what are they even doing different

subtle tundra
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moar deeps

faint harness
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but that much

drifting cloud
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just 4 heal and stacked classes

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2 boomie, 4 hunter, 3 lock, 2 mages, sp, ww, fury

faint harness
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ah okay (:

drifting cloud
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whats the bis sludge speed strat, like dh/war tank with a mw for debuff 1 hpala and 0 other melee

lilac sparrow
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I saw ptr note that now exang works for sbs dot. does it applied for simc results in pin?

faint harness
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Weird

silent tinsel
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is the simmed pin comparable to simcrafts posts?

drifting cloud
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sure but most of those are probably not updated aswell

silent tinsel
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Timestamp march 6

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is what it says

drifting cloud
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yes but that doesnt mean theyre all kept to date

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and alot of them just dont have the same TC power that rogue does

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and affli one is totally legit pepechortle

faint harness
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Everyone is gaining some dps from the stat from gear change too

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Fire mage will get a sizeable buff

subtle tundra
faint harness
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They increased the amount of stats on gear iirc

drifting cloud
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isnt it like 1-2 secondaries

faint harness
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Per item?

drifting cloud
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I guess so

faint harness
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Might be

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I gained about 30 dps, so it would make sense

manic harness
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Mythics not dropping Renown, friends :(

fickle hamlet
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Regular or M+? Both?

royal shale
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Hello, new rogue here as a fresh 60. Was wanting to mainly set up for pvp, with pve as a secondary. Is assas/venthr pretty decent looking at 9.0.5? Thanks for your time and comments.

frosty bough
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ss

manic harness
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Did a couple m+ around 8 level and no renown, sad times

thick lodge
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same happened to me, last night i was getting every dungeon then before i got off i did the weekly maw quest and now i get one every 5 or 6 dungeons maybe

trim zinc
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how much garrote and rupture can stack durations??
or im dumb?

eternal timber
lean fossil
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when does the lashing conduit become bis for venth rogues?

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vs wps

violet wasp
stoic needle
lean fossil
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or does the 145 beat a 213 wps?

lean hill
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for what its worth I have a 226 septic shock that sims higher than all the other 213s on outlaw (not including cto), so I would say no a 145 isn't going to beat out a 213

wide bolt
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Any talent build changes come tuesday?

stoic needle
wide bolt
lean fossil
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doing prog on sire lol

drifting cloud
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I got 2 200s from 3 callings and only 1 of them was an epic box iirc

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so its probably super common now

wide bolt
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ah fair enough even still youll have 3 callings come tuesday so decent chance to get it for raid

stoic needle
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just waiting on these last 2 keys

oblique copper
shadow helm
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you can finisht that quest anyway

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you'll still have to wait a year for dravens approval

lament mica
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ive been doing calling for over a week and my only 200 potency is planned execution

stoic needle
trim zinc
lament mica
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u can test it urself

smoky ridge
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I'm not hardcore gimping myself if I go necro right?

lament mica
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wow tooltips are notoriously misleading / lacking info

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most things in the game pandemic

oblique copper
smoky ridge
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nah I'm used to playing sub in raid alongside an outlaw

trim zinc
lament mica
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ya i don't think its written anywhere in game, its just a known mechanic

shadow helm
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fuck draven

regal chasm
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Although well it's not a like-for-like comparison, and one could argue bursty ST priority dmg is more impt

eager delta
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assuming your playing assass for raid and keys, would venthyr still be the play over necro?

balmy condor
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yes

shadow helm
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BIG SPIKEY BOY

dawn ivy
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yo whispyr when do you typically stream

viral vigil
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TFW I get dagger from Council of Blood the week I decide to switch to Sin pogfish

misty holly
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9 months ago Preach said that door of shadows was going to be mandatory for all M+ groups and no one would invite a non-venthyr to pugs. That's why it's so bad now.

grizzled jay
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He did not say such a thing, ever. He, alongside anyone else with a brain was a bit scared when everything was first announced and blizzard said they would make fights so that all covenants feel like they are needed for different fights

dense hamlet
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i allready miss soulshape whos idea was it to cast 1,5 sec door of shadows SucksMan

thick lodge
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
eager delta
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tbh i dont even think its an issue of door being so bad more so soulshape being too good, like compared to necro and kyrian door is pretty much equal in power

dense hamlet
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oh shit

stoic needle
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if the cast time of door was .5 sec it would be perfect

dense hamlet
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i killed the world boss

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got renown got conduit got the feet aswell

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wtf crazy loot

eager delta
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yeah was going to say, maybe if they halved the cast time and reduced the range to compensate it would be better off

stoic needle
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no, just lower the cast time tbh

dense hamlet
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no just make it instand

stoic needle
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it would still be balanced

dense hamlet
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and like give it 5 charges

stoic needle
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it was instant in beta WeirdChamp

dense hamlet
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yeah ik

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weird fuckers

eager delta
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instant is kinda too good imo, at least for that range

dense hamlet
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they can give it 2 ranges

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one abit shorrter

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but instant\

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and if u wanna tp far u have to cast

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i should be a dev

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oh shit im not on ptr no wonder the conduit added negative dmg

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ncie

stoic needle
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lmao

dense hamlet
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maan why is everyone warrior in sinfall

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no rogues SucksMan

stoic needle
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see you there on tuesday 👀

dense hamlet
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are still gonna swap

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i mean u havent swaped was the question

stoic needle
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yea im still pushing keys this weekend

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as soon as i get ksm im gonna swap

dense hamlet
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oh yeah i forgot this was a push week

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farming renown realy requires sanity huh

solar swallow
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which change is making sin more popular now for PvE content? New to rogue trying to understand what I should be learning

stoic needle
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flagellation got a rework

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2nd gcd removed and the damage boosted, and the amount of haste boosted

dense hamlet
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sin was popular but now that we have cttc back and a buff on wv + doomblade +flag + lashingscars mega beroken = scaling

eager delta
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3 consistent buffs, cttc coming back and then reworking their covenants and legendaries

dense hamlet
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oh u know what happened

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i literally pressed flag

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and was like why did it not go off

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and pressed it again

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and used the second part

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im glad they took it out

eager delta
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yeah razor coral was fine the first time

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not to much the second

dense hamlet
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it was okayish but i literally was used to 1.50sec sepsis shit

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and pressed it and was like maybe im not in range or something it didnt go on cd

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my brain

solar swallow
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right and outlaw/sub don't get Flagellation is that why?

dense hamlet
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they do

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but outlaw being a spec of cleave necro works out better for it

solar swallow
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ahhh okay

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thank you 🙂

cunning surge
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I'm prob still gonna stay NF tbh, I can't give up Soulshape and the aesthetic

delicate bone
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Venthy is literally the most fitting aesthetic for rogue though

eager delta
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yeah soulshape for me is the real seller, dont really care much for the theme or anything, but short cd instant blink that heals you is pretty op

cunning surge
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Oh I'm not saying they aren't in like, the context of a Rogue, I just mean overall I love the NF shit

eager delta
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biggest issue with sepsis for me is how little it interacts with multiple targets, at least with venhyr gaining the extra haste has abit of interaction, but just putting a st dot on a big mob in a pack is kinda eh

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and yeah i agree with sky, theme of venthyr much better suits rogue than night fae, save that for druids

cunning surge
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Yeah, Sepsis is pure ST and can be clunky, no doubt about that

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It fits the fact that our other damage CDs are one-target Debuffs LUL

stoic needle
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i want to see how much damage i can do in aoe with full stack flag + PI + pride + anima battery + full set of garottes/ruptures/CT up

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probably worse than necro but i still wanna see it

cunning surge
#

It would still be a good chunk I feel

silent lintel
#

Just as I reach 60 and ready pick covenants I read the changes

#

Still going with NF prob, it just fits so well with night elf

#

hopefully I am not going to regret it SucksMan

gray fjord
#

NF soulbinds are quite strong and make up for Sepsis being kinda lame, to be fair. xD

cunning surge
#

Nah I don't think you will, play what you like imo

#

At least Sepsis has interaction with Shiv, that's about it tho

gray fjord
#

True, but it's not like you'll hold Shiv just for Sepsis line-up either.

#

I'd still definitely recommend people try/test abilities of covenants to decide their play-style preference first and foremost.

cunning surge
#

Oh yeah no, it just helps with opener burst ultimately

stoic needle
#

it's still pretty nice even if you don't go out of your way to line it up

cunning surge
#

Well said

stoic needle
#

sadly the playtest while leveling really wasn't adequate for figuring out what abilities I'd end up wanting to use in actual lategame content

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nor was the dummy testing

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i thought the initial iterations of flag and bonespike would be great to use and very fun - they were not

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but i didn't figure that out until i started actually raiding and doing keys with them

gray fjord
#

Yeah it's really unfortunate there isn't much of a way to test abilities in real practice without picking a covenant, other than like heroic/normal dungeons since you'll automatically get the ability of each zone if you haven't picked one. But again, very out of touch with how M+/PvP/Raid works.

cunning surge
#

Yeah I thought Bonespike was gonna be like, insanely strong when Raid opened, but then it was more "All are pretty close in DPS"

gray fjord
#

For a while on beta, Bone spike was absurd and like >30% of overall damage, but that was the buggy fracture high AP version so people got baited into bone spike.

cunning surge
#

O o f

gray fjord
#

Don't get me wrong, it was great. xD Top DPS all raid testing I did basically.

little moth
#

Then it was nerfed and blizz forgot to compensate

gray fjord
#

^

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Basically.

#

❤️ Hi Whispyr.

cunning surge
#

I believe it 100%

balmy condor
#

it didn't help that a lot of top players hyped up emeni

little moth
#

True

#

BIG AGI

gray fjord
#

It did seem pretty potent at the time, especially with how valuable primary stat is now, but yeah kinda oof on that one.

little moth
#

Heard it from preach first, rogues are rising

gray fjord
#

They also nerfed the % I believe from when Lead By Example first existed (I think?)

little moth
#

💎 ✋

stoic needle
#

emeni still seems underrated frankly if you stack necrolords

#

because you benefit from other instances of LBE

balmy condor
#

you still suffer the damage loss from going necro in the first place

#

and going a bad necro bind

#

all the damage you might gain from emeni cheese is wiped out because you're trolling your own damage in the process

stable arch
#

do you use crimson tempest on single target if you specced into this?

stoic needle
#

Yes

stoic needle
stable arch
#

ty

balmy condor
stoic needle
#

Yeah I feel like 1% can't be that hard to make up with the cheese

balmy condor
#

then why does no one run emeni

umbral rapids
#

whisp peepoLove

balmy condor
civic trellis
#

Is that high the difference between venthyr sins and necro sins in ST?

#

150 dps seems high but idk on fights

balmy condor
stoic needle
#

Maybe the reward doesn't match the effort required

stoic needle
balmy condor
#

yeah idk

#

I just don't see the value

#

and during beta, there were attempts to be like "oh well sync the buff to stuff"

#

and it just didn't show anything

#

like syncing to your own cooldowns didn't even show a gain

#

lbe is by far the most feelcrafty thing in the game imo

#

cause it's like "well if I hit 3 fire mages during combust with it, it must be worth right?"

#

and there's just so many variables that you have to factor in

stoic needle
#

No it's more like what happens if 3 people using lbe use it at the same time

#

For a large cumulative mainstat buff

#

Like stone legion or past sins but with your covenant ability

#

You get more mainstat the more people you buff, and you also gain from other uses of lbe from other people

balmy condor
#

yeah but you also can't choose who it's going on

#

so you have to position it

#

and then the question is how many lbe buffs do you need for it to be value

#

do you need 5?

#

where are you getting 5 necro players

stoic needle
#

I mean if you have 9 dps and say 3 of them are necrolord that's a decent chance of getting a buff

balmy condor
#

sure

stoic needle
#

I don't know enough about what other classes pick necrolord for dps to say how likely that is

balmy condor
#

but we're talking multiple right

balmy condor
civic trellis
#

Well, dks usually and shamys

#

And there are usually 1-2 dks / 1-2 shamys per raid

#

Shadowpriests aswell

stoic needle
#

It does require a lot of knowledge I don't have about the differences between necrolord and other class's bis dps covenants to see whether the gap is small enough to make it potentially viable

#

But imagine a scenario where all the dps go necrolord for the shield for progress, and they all go emeni and toss the lbe buff back and forth

#

That couldn't be THAT bad

stable arch
#

venth is love
venth is lyfe

stoic needle
#

Agreed

#

I just think emeni is a tad underrated, that's all

balmy condor
#

side note

trim zinc
#

almost there

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stoic needle
#

Hell yeah

#

God

dense hamlet
#

what the fcuk

stoic needle
#

I can't wait to finish these 2 keys and insta swap

echo cargo
#

i got to 20 today and quit its so boring

dense hamlet
#

you ppl up to date huh

dawn ivy
#

i got to 19 and got tired

balmy condor
stoic needle
#

I don't remember what I was when I swapped

dense hamlet
#

i swaped like 3hours ago and im like 10peepochrist

stoic needle
#

What renown were we when the last covenant campaign quest released?

balmy condor
#

worst part was the campaign tbh

stable arch
#

im still mad that we dont go dauntless duelist

dense hamlet
#

went into lfr and shit was crazy

balmy condor
#

don't like questing

balmy condor
stoic needle
dense hamlet
#

worst part is lfr kekw

stable arch
#

what i thought familiar predicaments bc we get 2 potency conduits

balmy condor
stable arch
#

big oof

balmy condor
#

fuck potency conduits

#

potency conduits fucking suck

dense hamlet
balmy condor
#

lashing and cto on outlaw

#

lashing on sin/sub

#

that's it

#

everything else is trash

dawn ivy
#

is there a point where potency will actually be good for sin?

#

like max ranked conduits?

stoic needle
#

Shietttt I'm only renown 23 MmmonkaS

dense hamlet
#

do u go lashing cto with no dauntless with ol for mplus? is that even a thing

balmy condor
dawn ivy
#

thats so sad

balmy condor
#

who knows what will happen in 9.1

stoic needle
#

Not even at high conduit ilvls?

balmy condor
#

maybe conduits just gain 5 more ranks

#

idk

#

then it might be good

dense hamlet
fierce tulip
#

Emeni is fine, its still BIS for DK because of the primrary stat it adds to the raid

dawn ivy
#

I feel dirty not using my classes conduits

balmy condor
#

but when 200 WPS gives 15 less dps than a 226 WPS

#

who gives a shit tbh

#

gives less dps than ilvl

dense hamlet
#

huh

stoic needle
#

Just wait for the empowered conduits in 9.1

#

Whatever those are

balmy condor
#

oh no

#

the miki kool-aid

dawn ivy
#

not this again

#

pepehands

stoic needle
#

More borrowed power PepegaGun

#

I've been saying this since it was announced at blizzcon

north basin
#

wait, after swap i need to Q U E S T ? not just doing arenas rbg callings etc?

#

hate questing ..

balmy condor
#

campaign gives 9 renown, yes

dense hamlet
north basin
#

goosh

stoic needle
#

Imagine playing an mmo and not liking questing

north basin
#

i like numbers. not lore gibberish!

stoic needle
dense hamlet
#

how do u even get used to doorofshadows SucksMan like stand there and "cast" as a rogue

#

yikes smol company

balmy condor
#

to be fair, I've enjoyed lore from every mmo except world of warcraft

trim zinc
balmy condor
#

story in wow is actually trash imo

stoic needle
#

I mean I won't lie that wows questing is kinda shit

#

But shadowlands is the best it's been in a long time

balmy condor
#

It feels the same as legion questing

stoic needle
#

Wasn't legion questing good tho

balmy condor
#

just as good as shadowlands

#

which is a snooze imo

north basin
#

wow lore sounds like pretentious crap. i just wana raid and do m+

cinder thicket
#

short question : will weightstones and agi potion be better than oil and phantomfire due to more dmg for flagellation ?

balmy condor
#

idk, for me personally there's a hard lack of connection to anything

#

you do a zone

stoic needle
#

There would be no raids and dungeons if there wasn't a story lol

balmy condor
#

and all of a sudden that's it gg new story

#

it's like a collection of short stories instead of something more long winded

placid cobalt
#

i mean, the story went to shit long ago when they started with alternate universes and now the afterlife tbh

#

pretty unrecoverable now

balmy condor
#

to me at least, the best questlines I did in recent expacs were the wrathion stuff in bfa, the khadgar stuff in legion, etc

stoic needle
#

Idk i think they've done a fairly decent job of connecting all of the different sl zones together

balmy condor
#

and not "here's a zone story" "here's a zone story" "here's a zone story"

lament mica
#

the overall story isn't too great, but there is a lot of cool lore imo

#

in warcraft

stoic needle
#

The jailer fucking shit up is the common thread between all of the stories

placid cobalt
#

imo the story was good till pandaria/draenor then they took a bump over it

stoic needle
#

But it's not finished yet

north basin
#

i rememba playing orcs vs human in warcraft3, and now its afterlife jailer ,,, like waaaat?

lament mica
#

they've been building up to this slyvanas crap for like 3 xpacs so whatever is happening, it better be good

stoic needle
#

She better fucking die

#

For good

balmy condor
#

the sylvanas stuff has never felt like the actual story to me

#

it's always been the side quest

placid cobalt
#

what's gonna happen is we'll have an arthas redemption story like we did with illidan, cos they cant come up with anything new imo 😄

balmy condor
#

which i guess is like "oh she works from the shadows" or whatever bullshit

stoic needle
balmy condor
#

but man the whole sylvanas arc has been a snoozefest

lament mica
#

ya except in bfa when the whole thing was supposed to be horde vs. alliance and she burn da big tree

#

but before that ya

stoic needle
#

Sylvanas is just garrosh 2.0 but bigger scale

north basin
#

ye got used to these bulshit stories. they drifted far away from original orc vs human conflict

stoic needle
#

It's kinda boring

lament mica
#

every single horde storyline involves the leader being shit or dying instantly lol

north basin
#

but to be fair. they cant milk orcs vs humans forver

balmy condor
#

remember in legion when they said the world quest system would help make old zones relevant again

stoic needle
#

World quests need to die

#

But they're a fundamental part of the business model now so it'll never happen

lament mica
#

idk why they decided to make them more annoying in slands

balmy condor
#

they introduced it and were like "this is one of the ways we're making the world of warcraft a WORLD, and not just individual zones"

stoic needle
#

At least they are completely optional except for switching covenants lul

lament mica
#

in bfa it was like "kill 1 rare" now kill 3 rares and 12 normal mobs

balmy condor
#

and we're like cool

#

then do it

#

make it a world

#

fucking do it

#

don't be a pussy

#

and then they never did

shadow helm
#

a turtle made it to the water

stoic needle
#

Classic was a world monkaPeek

shadow helm
#

miss my tortollan emissaries

#

MAKE LOH GO

frail fossil
#

tortollan wq lowkey bis

balmy condor
#

it's a world because there's no auction house in the capital anymore so you have to go to org every now and then for raid mats

stoic needle
#

Make loh go to hell

balmy condor
frail fossil
shadow helm
#

just be a engineer bro

balmy condor
#

true

#

it's a world for people who aren't rich, or have engineering

shadow helm
#

just camp black amrket ah

#

buy that long BOi for gold cap

balmy condor
#

shadowlands actually just isolating every zone also feels like shit to me

#

world of warcraft: the minigame

#

run around in this ball pit, and then go to the other ball pit

stoic needle
#

The terrain design in SL is ... Interesting

lament mica
#

going from 1 zone to another u have to go make some coffee and take a shit cuz it takes like 10 minutes

stoic needle
#

Pretty to look at but kinda weird to navigate

stoic needle
#

It takes 5 min to fly from anywhere in SL to anywhere else

#

Vanilla flight paths were literally 20 min

lament mica
#

yea but im not comparing it to vanilla, im comparing it to legion n bfa where stuff was much closer to each other

#

it was like 30 seconds not 5 min

#

i usually just hearth to oribos but its still just obnoxious

coral imp
#

what does sbs do now if u exang twice

balmy condor
#

nothing

#

because it doesn't worth with exsang

coral imp
#

oh ok

lament mica
#

flying is coming in 9.1 which is nice anyway

balmy condor
#

the question is

#

will it let us fly through the zone portals ourselves

#

probably not

lament mica
#

yea idk, at least it'll make revendreth much less annoying

gleaming reef
stoic needle
lament mica
#

they should put some big portals in the sky that just let u phase between zones

eternal wave
#

I can't find it in the pins (though it might just be me not having a brain as per usual), but is Necro stronger than Venthyr during execute by virtue of the SBS bleed being an additional bleed, with Zoldyck equipped?

strange python
#

then they removed it and turned into fly points

#

so that was a deliberate decision

#

overall more online time is my guess

lament mica
strange python
balmy condor
#

gimme 5 min

eternal wave
#

Thank you!

balmy condor
#

@eternal wave @strange python

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strange python
#

tyty

eternal wave
#

Many thanks!

cunning surge
#

Was definitely a good thing to test ThumbsUp

strong locust
#

Thats just DPS during execute phase?

stiff needle
#

Has anyone tried out doomblade with exsang+venthyr, feel like the timings could line up decently

cunning surge
#

I don't like Exsang personally, but I do hope this Doomblade buff makes it competitive at least rather than a dead talent

balmy condor
stiff needle
#

Bummer haha

balmy condor
cunning surge
strong locust
#

more or less identical to st sims

balmy condor
#

I mean

eternal wave
#

At least the difference between Necro and Venthyr is less than 2% 😛

balmy condor
#

yeah

dim shoal
#

That sim was done with zoldyck right?

balmy condor
#

when you use the same legendary

#

and it's affecting the same stuff

#

except that it affects sbs dot

#

you're gonna see similar results

eternal wave
#

True

#

Still thinking that execute is one of Assa's main draws, even if it will be the top Rogue DPS for ST regardless

#

And planning Covenants around that would definitely be valid

#

I'm still so tempted by the DR on Fleshcraft though, as well as SBS being my favorite Rogue ability since I can't even remember

frozen karma
#

Now

#

Tuesday

#

venthyr 📈

gentle gyro
#

if only i could progress my campaign

north basin
#

tothemoon!

gentle gyro
#

but my ticket got an automated response so I have to wait another ~20 hours

frozen karma
#

a bugged quest?

gentle gyro
#

swapped to venthyr, and now there is no quest offered to continue.

#

or rather, i never got offered one to START the campaign

#

i don't even have soulbinds

#

SO I'm stuck with a useless char for now

#

because Blizz sucks

frozen karma
#

hmm, takes a few quest to get a soulbind but pretty much from what I remember you swap covenant and then they send you to sinfal to talk to the prince and that's where it begins

ornate lake
#

Think I also had to do one calling for being able to talk.to prince.

gentle gyro
#

yep, talked to renethal, got both covenant abilities, got sent to talk to Rendal (this small guy idk what they are even called) and then....

#

nothing

#

no follow up

ornate lake
#

Yeah that seems weird

gentle gyro
#

i have no callings

#

I had none when I switched and got offered no new one today

frozen karma
#

so you have 0 quests right now?

gentle gyro
#

yep

frozen karma
#

normally you'd get the calling quest (non daily)

#

and the anima intro quest, like 375 anima isntead of 1K

eternal wave
#

725 Haste

#

Freaking every piece out there has minor Haste major whatever lol

eternal steeple
#

Did assassination good now with all the buff he got ?

#

Or really bad

frozen karma
#

much better than before for sure, not sure how that puts us in the meta tho

cunning surge
#

It's definitely going to be a lot easier to play

rustic thunder
#

it's already pretty smooth

cunning surge
#

Messing around on the PtR, I only had to cast Slice and Dice once, and had 99% uptime for 5-minute tests

tardy sluice
#

any reason to wait for reset before crafting doomblade?

cunning surge
#

Oh it is, yeah, but now it's like, smoother because of CttC

rustic thunder
#

it's only gonna get better from now on, the buffs and changes to venthyr and necrolord covenants are great for assa

#

it has a raid niche with the execute leggo, probably dps is going to pop off post 9.1 with more stats and items (and even more changes hopefully)

cunning surge
#

Cries in nightfae

rustic thunder
#

how difficult is it to swap now?

#

from 38 renown one covenant to 38 another

#

given i have like 4 renown there

cunning surge
#

Eh, it's not difficulty, moreso I really like Nightfae that I don't wanna switch even if Venthyr will be strictly better

tender fjord
cunning surge
#

The crying is mostly joking since Soulshape doesn't need a buff, and Sepsis is completely fine where it is

tender fjord
#

If that’s not the case for you, do whatever

limber lion
#

You just do heroic/normal/lfr raids and the campaign and you're done

rustic thunder
#

im torn right now, whether i should craft haste/vers MA for outlaw and for trying out assa, or risk it all and craft zoldyck right away

limber lion
#

I think most of us started with MA or a combination of something + MA

#

It's still top tier in M+ for Assa and very good in the raid.

primal zinc
#

can i ask you guys something about recuperator?....in order to get healed again...do i have to recast it? or it will heal forever for the duration of snd?

rustic thunder
#

if u go MA you don't ever use MA talent right? I know it's obvious but i wanna make sure

grand echo
#

yes

tender fjord
#

If you are new to rogue and still trying out specs I’d recommend MA legendary as well. There is not a single piece of content where it is not up there at the top

limber lion
#

It's the most versatile legendary for sure.

lost coral
#

Is the doomblade legendary also the go to for arena?

limber lion
shadow helm
#

ma SUCKS

cunning surge
#

I'm curious on how much the MA nerf will affect M+ performance since you won't be able to use Trinkets or things like the NW weapons

shadow helm
#

leggs for beta males

limber lion
#

NW will be a lot tougher that's for sure, but doesn't affect other dungeons.

cunning surge
#

That's good to hear at least

simple stratus
#

does zoldyck work on bonespike?

limber lion
cunning surge
#

From what people have gathered here, yeah

simple stratus
#

op

balmy condor
lament mica
#

ITS OP

regal chasm
#

I'm actually glad I won't have to do Nw weapons anymore

rustic thunder
#

same

limber lion
#

I'm not, I liked it :''(

cunning surge
#

I mean most of what it was was just dumpstering on Surgeon, wasn't it?

limber lion
#

No

rustic thunder
#

one on amarth

limber lion
#

You pulled huge packs and used spear on the pack to instakill all the pulled mobs

#

Instantly dealing millions of damage

cunning surge
#

That sounds 10x better, damn my groups for saying hold ALL for Surgeon LUL

limber lion
#

If you look up NW on the MDI, you can see teams pulling every pack in the beginning of NW then the rogue just oneshotting everything

chilly thicket
#

!sims

prisma monolithBOT
limber lion
#

Literally no point using on Sturgeon

cunning surge
#

Oof, yeah I didn't watch MDI at all tbh

regal chasm
#

The average pug sure isn't pulling it off mdi style. So actually the guaranteed crit isn't even a huge deal

limber lion
#

Whenever he escapes, you can just insta-hook him back with the old stitchwork

drifting cloud
#

just check jpcs vod for a 25, after 2nd boss he has like 30k overall

limber lion
cunning surge
#

Well, I certainly hope comps that relied on that strat have a backup come this Tuesday

limber lion
#

I almost +2 chested a NW +19 only because the tank was pulling so big for the spear

limber lion
cunning surge
#

Very fair

chilly thicket
#

So just about to try assassination for the first time, and I see that doomblade is the single target best however it seems on logs everyone is using zoldyck. Which should I go for in 9.0.5?

limber lion
indigo mulch
#

^

limber lion
#

Zoldyck will still be the go-to legendary on AoE and execute scenarios.

indigo mulch
#

Isent MA really good aswell for aoe?

#

And sludgeboi

limber lion
#

Yes. Zoldyck and MA are the best legendaries currently.

simple stratus
#

crit/haste for doomblade?

chilly thicket
#

Ah that makes sense. But how much will it be better? Is it like Akaaris where it will only be better by a few dps?

simple stratus
#

or haste/vers

limber lion
#

MA is also the best legendary for short fights, like Shriek/HD.

limber lion
sage fern
#

what is slg shoulders?

limber lion
#

However it does fall quite a bit on more targets.

chilly thicket
#

Gotcha, Ill make that one for now then, tyvm

simple stratus
#

slg shoulders are crit/vers

indigo mulch
#

but they are 233 ilvl though. Hence why they are bis.

limber lion
indigo mulch
#

There arent a lot of guild clearing Mytchi STL atm though. Its not your avarage player

#

Mythic*

sage fern
#

i see! thx! I don't think I'll kill slg anytime soon. So I could still go for shoulders ?

limber lion
#

If you are not planning to kill Mythic SLG, then you can make either or.

simple stratus
#

im just wondering about the stats on the missives, not the slot

limber lion
#

It doesn't matter, just replace whichever gear is worse.

#

If you have 200 ilvl gloves and 220 shoulders, you should just make Doomblade on gloves then

chilly thicket
#

Sry, 1 more question, why do I see most ppl on logs using crit haste on their legendary when supposedly haste-vers is the best?

limber lion
gentle gyro
#

what is best for you is different for everyone else

#

^

regal chasm
#

Doomblade also makes dashing irrelevant, so I wonder how blizz lands on the numbers it does

gentle gyro
#

assuming the new version, when should I use Flag in the opener

#

also assume MA talent

limber lion
#

muti-snd-muti-gar-flag-rup

tender fjord
#

Vers and crit are similar. Even tho I’m gonna do haste vers irrelevant of sim difference just because of pvp

gentle gyro
#

mut snd mut gar flag rup mut shiv vendetta enven -> normal?

limber lion
gentle gyro
#

i swaer i always forget vanish when not using subterfuge

#

also just from renown-farming in lfr, who the hell is playtester at blizz and signed off the original version of Flag

#

why is the reactivation on a global

limber lion
limber lion
#

Also current flag is still a lot better than whatever Slaughter was.

gentle gyro
#

i mean that wouldve been my next complaint

#

that you can MISS the activation

#

so if you want to get the maximum out of it you risk getting nothing

#

i guess it wouldn't be as bad if it was off the gcd

limber lion
#

I've done normal and lfr for renown and let me tell you that I missed the second cast MORE times than I remembered to actually cast it the second time.

gentle gyro
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pretty sure that ability is unusable without a WA to track it

cunning surge
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Thank god Soul Igniter isn't like that at least... Double Presses that just fizzle if you don't press it again is just, ASS

limber lion
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I literally had to make a custom weak aura for it

cunning surge
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Oh I agree with that 100% tbh

limber lion
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So it tracks stacks, the cooldown of the ability, the 20s timer of the buff and so that it glows up at 3s before finishing

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Without the glow, I would not remember to press it.

cunning surge
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Yeah honestly I need a lot of WAs in my face, especially for Gar/Rup/SnD LUL

gentle gyro
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i'm also gonna write me some stuff to track shit on multiple targets

balmy condor
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multi target wa's are jank

gentle gyro
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i'd agree for like m+

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just clutters your screen

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but e.g. multitarget fights like huntsman they can be useful

cunning surge
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I literally just have a stack count as a number in the corner to help keep it concise, hard to see who has what timer on them but, NugRunning kind of helps with that

limber lion
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Just use nameplates with pandemic timers and you gucci :^)

cunning surge
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Honestly seeing specific timers helped me mostly for Sire pushing before 3rd set of Cabalists come out

iron orchid
gentle gyro
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i just simmed myself and venthyr was like 2% behind NF and I'm like "wait what wtf why am I even switching"

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then i remembered changes aren't live yet

limber lion
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You can use advanced sim to sim yourself with the ptr changes

royal lantern
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rn, venthyr is still peophammer

limber lion
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By putting ptr=1 at the top

gentle gyro
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in the custom APL options?

limber lion
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No

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Before your simc paste

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You just type ptr=1 at the top, enter, ctrl + v to paste your simc

quick vale
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Would I want to hold my sepsis for 1-2 seconds if it will line up with shiv ?

limber lion
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Only works with advanced sim though, doesn't work for quick sim/top gear etc.

quick vale
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or just press them both on CD

limber lion
quick vale
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oh great thanks for the response

cunning surge
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If they're within 5 seconds of coming off CD of each other, I usually wait yeah

gentle gyro
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but Renethal ain't standing here

limber lion
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You're on the wrong floor.

dim temple
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Just odd that people saying that neco is lower dps when it was last night the Necolord update was relases on PTR how can be 100% sure. just saying

limber lion
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Use the mirror to descend to the lower floor

balmy condor
gentle gyro
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nono, Renethal is supposed to stand there, but I'm bugged currently

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Renethal stands on the lower floor but doesn't offer quests or dialogue

limber lion
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Welp, rip.

gentle gyro
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guess I'm not raiding tonight

limber lion
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Well, good thing Renown only takes a day to grind so shouldn't be too bad when they get that fixed for you

chilly thicket
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So the current topgear sims arent using the 9.0.5 changes right?\

limber lion
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Yeah, gonna be fucked if you were planning to raid tonight lmao

balmy condor
chilly thicket
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gotcha ty

dim temple
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@balmy condor Was told some time ago by InfexiousGaming that Bone Spike Spell was not out for PTR and
Dalaran Gaming sad it was just realsesd on PTR last night that park of the Bonespike

balmy condor
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infexious OMEGALUL

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we know how it's gonna be because blizzard made a blue post stating the changes

chilly thicket
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So I guess Im surprised that doomblade is simming much higher than zoldycks even though its using the current build and most ppl are using zoldycks

gentle gyro
dim temple
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yes I understand that, but its the same thing as testing it and see it action vs a blue post 😛

gentle gyro
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no access to soulbinds

balmy condor
balmy condor
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blue post, then ptr spell data scrub, then implement in sims, sim it

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ez

chilly thicket
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I see, was that recent?

balmy condor
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bout 2-3 weeks

gentle gyro
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i cannot sim specific fights, right? like simming inerva to find out which legendary would be better

balmy condor
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no

dim temple
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I understand that and i get the datascrub. but its not allways the same as runing around with a char :=) but i do Trust you

balmy condor
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and even if you could, 95% of specs don't even have implementation for ttd events, let alone raid events

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so good luck with that

gentle gyro
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na it was more about whether doombladeor zldycks have more value for inerva

limber lion
gentle gyro
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aka does the length of the execute make zoldyck better than doomblade

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but considering it's just one long dps check

balmy condor
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hah?

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if anything zoldyck would be better because there's adds

gentle gyro
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ye

balmy condor
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not because of any fight length

indigo mulch
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Inerva has no adds 😦

limber lion
indigo mulch
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All guilds just immune all of them ;<

gentle gyro
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if you only bring warriors she doesn't kekw

indigo mulch
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lulw

limber lion
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Haven't seen a single guild that can immune all adds

gentle gyro
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na that's not realistic

indigo mulch
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Nah not all of them tbh ;p

limber lion
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No one has immunities with 1min cds

indigo mulch
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DK's? 😮

gentle gyro
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isn't warrior spell reflect 25s?

limber lion
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Ah yeah, that was misspoken by me

balmy condor
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ams is 1 min

indigo mulch
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pretty sure anti magic shell is a 1min cd no? I might be wrong

gentle gyro
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it is, can be reduced to 40s with a talent

limber lion
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Meant to say that guilds cannot run setups where all dps have 1min immunities

indigo mulch
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Either way, ofc people don't do it that way. But adds die in matter of seconds

limber lion
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Unless they run 14 warriors/dks, which is highly unlikely.

indigo mulch
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Our guild runs 3 healers and rest dps. Adds die in matter of seconds. I doubt Zoldycks would have any value at all there

gentle gyro
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i mean you can dot adds and then forget them if they die within the first dot window (which they SHOULD)

indigo mulch
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Everyone just presses that AoE button whenever they spawn and adds i just disappears D;

limber lion
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The big boys last for a while

gentle gyro
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but if we're not maximizing dps for ourselves, but the raid doomblade for higher overall ST is likely the correct choice

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because you need bossdamage here

indigo mulch
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I mean sunking, sire and council maybe? 😮

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You need big ST to push those phases on council mythic.

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Specially if you don't have Moonkins that oneshots the attendants D:

limber lion
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And blast the waiters

indigo mulch
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Its hard to play moonkin okay? YOu have to press convoke and starfall to top the meters there okay?

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Super hard.

limber lion
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You don't even press starfall because Convoke does it for you silenceheathen

chilly thicket
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What is this? Is this lethal poisons?

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balmy condor
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yes

chilly thicket
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ty

indigo mulch
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I feel so homey on my rogue D;

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I'm so happy to be playing something i don't hate.

limber lion
indigo mulch
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Nothing to be concerned over!