assassination

[balmy condor]

and we had 300% mastery

[stoic needle]

hooomygod

[lament mica]

u know if u want big envenoms ur wanting to be wat feral is atm lol

[shadow helm]

we are already feral

[stoic needle]

so you mean... good?

[shadow helm]

night fae

[trim zinc]

cuz wer furries?

lmao

[lament mica]

naw i just mean entirely focused around their big dam finisher and not bleeds

[buoyant mauve]

I miss 7.3 mut

[misty holly]

I wonder if Main, Mangle conduit will be good with doomblade buff.

[nimble bluff]

What will be the best PvE legendary for assa rogue?

[balmy condor]

in case you didn't know, haste tick rates weren't added until bfa, and legion mastery only affected poisons, and to a crazy amount. So like 40% mastery now would've been like 120% mastery in legion, and it affected envenom just like it does now

so haste was bad cause no hasted bleeds

and mastery was good

[buoyant mauve]

oh, except getting outperformed cause of better poison bomb rng, fuck that

[balmy condor]

so the entire build was basically giga envenom stuff

[manic harness]

Osh, do you go Wasteland or double potency?

[balmy condor]

nightstalker vanish envenom was the regular

[stoic needle]

https://tenor.com/view/luigi-mario-nut-super-nut-gif-13073710

[shadow helm]

bring back shrouded suffocation

[warm plover]

One poison bomb proc ty

[stoic needle]

i need to sim it first hold on

[lament mica]

they should give ass rogue convoke. that would be interesting

[stoic needle]

convoke the envenom

[lament mica]

shiv then pray u get 7 envenoms in a row

[manic harness]

If any eogue spec got anything like convoke it would be nerfed within an hour

[lament mica]

it would be silly

[stoic needle]

no, it's just all envenoms

[wispy sonnet]

outlaw still going to be the go to for M+ or will sin catch up with patch?

[buoyant mauve]

shadowy duel into kidney convoke lol

[indigo mulch]

Outlaw will still be king of m+, pretty sure. :x

[lament mica]

16 envenoms

[shadow helm]

wat mean outlaw KING

ITS MAGE

[indigo mulch]

Of the rouges! Sorry!

[shadow helm]

dont run m+ without a mage

bullshit class

[lament mica]

or a wild spirits

u dont even need a hunter, just wild spirits will do

[buoyant mauve]

or a dh

[indigo mulch]

Or a holypala

[stoic needle]

doing keys fine without mage and hunter

our push group is vdh rogue enh boomkin disc

lmao

guess who gets pi

[shadow helm]

enhancement

[manic harness]

Boomkin?

[indigo mulch]

Big enha burst.

[buoyant mauve]

pi AND wind fury?

[stoic needle]

no it's me dammit

[manic harness]

...why

[lament mica]

u get an enhanc? thats privilege

u should have a war tank and a ww

[stoic needle]

have u ever had 6 subterfuge garottes up and gotten PI

[trim zinc]

tool tip doesnt says that mastery buffs envenon, thats sucks;-;
i didnt know that
cuz like envenon says "nature dmg" and mastey just says poison

[stoic needle]

[lament mica]

or brew and arms, u get options

[manic harness]

Alright sleep time boys

Love yall

Goodnight

[lament mica]

🌉

[stoic needle]

night

[trim zinc]

goodnight bud

[stoic needle]

@balmy condor would you prefer if i did one submission to the defensives sheet per ability or is it ok if i group up several per submission like i did

[balmy condor]

as long as I can understand it, you're good

[balmy condor]

night

[balmy condor]

yeah but mastery buffs envenom so we all good

[shadow helm]

just say n word covenant is best bro

[balmy condor]

[sick scarab]

whispyr when do you start your "work" 😀 ?

[balmy condor]

20 min maybe

[buoyant mauve]

just in time to swap

[faint canopy]

btw, is there a way to get more renown in ptr instantly? or to get all the conduits?

[sick scarab]

nice 🙂

[chrome ledge]

Have they fixed the exsanguinate bone spike thing yet or does it still work on ptr?

[balmy condor]

fixed

[chrome ledge]

Alright thanks

[low junco]

any nl sims coming or?

@balmy condor

[bright turret]

So can serrated bone spike be used multiple times in a short window if you have the charges? Does rogue finally have burst for sludge?

[balmy condor]

any what now

[balmy condor]

that's not really what I would call it, but yes

[shadow helm]

night lae

[low junco]

sims with the necrolord buff/ w/e

[balmy condor]

#assassination message

[low junco]

ty

oh

[balmy condor]

[indigo mulch]

God lord i hate venthyr alrady

this zone is so cancer.

[shadow helm]

thats why u go necrol0rds

[reef axle]

Do they suck?

[shadow helm]

fun ability

[lament mica]

wdym? everyone loves vertical zones

[shadow helm]

but no lashing scars

[lament mica]

just look at nazjatar

[indigo mulch]

Best zone

[shadow helm]

feels no lashing scars man

[shrewd night]

[stoic needle]

look

when the boomkin says "give PI to the rogue" you dont ask questions

you say thank you and pump

[sick scarab]

i think i will stay night fae

[shadow helm]

so when will the vault

[shrewd night]

"if the blind man tells you to jump off a cliff....."

[shadow helm]

give me a dagger bros

[lament mica]

the moment u hit 2100 in pvp

[shadow helm]

pvp in my pve game?

[strange python]

So can I come back to rogue now? Warlock is so unfun but rogue was so undesired

[indigo mulch]

Don't think the desired is better for rogues for CN tho 😮

[lament mica]

ass and aff don't really have the same damage profile

[strange python]

I mean rogue will never be as desired as warlock, but at least hoping you'll at least start to see guilds actually want a rogue

[shadow helm]

affliction doesnt have mechanics lol!!!!!!

[indigo mulch]

What for tho? D:

[strange python]

What?

[lament mica]

ass will be wanted over warlock when execute matters

[shadow helm]

they just ask you to drop gates and lockstones

[strange python]

?????

[lament mica]

like the most important phase of the last boss

[strange python]

Not that any class is hard these days but aff is easily one of the harder ones my guy

People just conflate top damage with ease

[shrewd night]

Well duh, if a class can pump damage consistently, it must means its ez HAHA AMIRITE BOIS

[strange python]

Lol

[lament mica]

being a waddler is def annoying

in all content

[strange python]

What's a waddler

[lament mica]

wheelchair ass slow ass warlock looking class

[shadow helm]

they have soulshape now

[strange python]

Yeah people call DKs wheelchair they ain't seen shit till they play a lock

One of the nicest things about rogue is the mobility

[lament mica]

locks have some nice tools for sure, burning rush, gate, port, soul shape, but its still way worse than a majority of classes

and locks have to hard cast more than most classes

[strange python]

Gate usually requires planning and has an assigned spot too though

Playing affliction on mythic sire is the least fun I've ever had in wow

That includes pre nerf muru

[lament mica]

[strange python]

Just wish blizz would buff sub. But I'll take sin over aff any day.

[lament mica]

blizz should def utilize the pvp auras more

[torn atlas]

Crazy they didn't even tweak anything.

[lament mica]

cuz no1 wants sub rogues 1 shotting u in a stun in pvp, but sub deserves to be viable pve

[strange python]

They could make akaaris good again

[eternal wave]

I mean what is Sub even supposed to be?

Post removal of Shuriken Combo

[strange python]

Instead of lying by saying they want legendaries to be 5% generally and then ignore mages and dks and hunters and shamans

In theory, outlaw is the sustained cleave spec, sin is the downtime/occasional cleave rupture spec, and sub is the single target and burst spec

[solar hare]

A single target spec that doesnt do single target

Its a pvp spec now

[shadow helm]

its bugsnax

[eternal wave]

The latest I've seen Blizz describe the Rogue specs is during the Legion overhauls, and even then Sub didn't get to funnel and laserfocus until 7.2

In theory all 3 specs can set up windows for burst dmg

And in theory both Assa and Outlaw crushes Sub into the ground the moment any add spawns

[strange python]

Problem is that very few fights require short duration burst in 30 second timers, and when that does happen, other specs (fire, boomies) do more burst, and frankly the burst isn't far enough ahead of Sin to make up for lost execute time and downtime

[stoic needle]

yep

they need to get rid of the 2nd dance charge and give it real burst again

put it up there with fire mage and boomkin

or higher, fuck it

[strange python]

Sub would be better if akaaris went back to it's ptr state and the spec was just on a symbols of death/shadow dance burst cycle

[eternal wave]

WoD was nice, with up to 40s duration of a FW that actually mattered

[strange python]

You could just revert those nerfs and sub still wouldn't be "op" like everyone claimed

[eternal wave]

Actually the other day I saw FW on the debuff bars and legit had completely forgotten it was back

[solar hare]

Just buff dark shadows

[strange python]

What's that emoji whispyr I'm on mobile

[eternal wave]

: lul :

[balmy condor]

It's lul

as in lmao

[solar hare]

[strange python]

If akaaris goes back to a 12% damage buff from its current 5% you think it becomes op?

It's currently second to last

[eternal wave]

I'd rather have the CP gen back

That was fun to play with on Beta

[balmy condor]

beta sub would destroy ever meter in existence right now

[low girder]

It was also fucking busted

[eternal wave]

Hey you wouldn't find me complaining

[strange python]

What stage of beta? There were multiple rounds of akaaris nerfs

[low girder]

And I'm saying that as a sub main

[strange python]

And sbs nerfs

[balmy condor]

on top of that, beta sub with akaari had near 100% uptime on dance due to cp generation back when that was a thing

[strange python]

With current state of covenants, the second version of akaaris (no cp, full damage) wouldn't be op

[balmy condor]

which is the opposite of what you're asking for

[strange python]

Yeah I'm not talking about the cp version

I mean the one when it just did more damage

The damage nerf was overkill

[balmy condor]

I mean, it's in line with pretty much the rest of the legendaries atm

[strange python]

??

Current akaaris gives what, 5% ish?

[balmy condor]

yeah

and what do you think the rest of them give

[vestal wren]

9.0.5 next week, it seems we get live qa testing for everyone

[balmy condor]

NA is on the case

[eternal wave]

Can't wait for day 2 hotfixes

[low girder]

Morning fuu

[vestal wren]

morning, its great news for assassination

[strange python]

Hunters get 11% from theirs, DKs get 8%, enh shamans get 15%, fire gets 8%

Boomies 12%

[vestal wren]

it seems the bone spike bug is still not fixed and doom working with sbs??

[balmy condor]

compared to other legendaries

[balmy condor]

bone spike bug is fixed

[low girder]

I somehow doubt hunters still get 11% after the bugfix

[hollow escarp]

I can finally do Necrotic Wake without people flaming me for not having Master Assassin legendary

[balmy condor]

as in sub

not other classes

[strange python]

Oh

[limpid rose]

what is sbs

[stoic needle]

pickin herbs and runnin' sims

[vestal wren]

whats the discussion?

[balmy condor]

serrated bone spike, necro ability

[stoic needle]

this is the life

[strange python]

I mean akaaris should be buffed because other classes have useful legendaries and rogue ones are meh

[balmy condor]

whether or not 12% akaari is a good idea

rather than current 5%

[strange python]

No reason for akaaris to have gotten it's damage nerfed after the cp removal

[balmy condor]

the damage got nerfed to bring it in line with the rest of the rogue legendaries

[buoyant mauve]

I'm sorry I was late @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

that was the point

[median mango]

Speaking of SBS, do we already have sims for buffed SBS with buffed doomblade? Should prob work out real nice, right?

[sweet zealot]

I mean that is kinda the problem

[strange python]

Maybe rogue legendaries are too weak is what I'm saying

[stoic needle]

i wish that 8% was the target for all class legendaries rather than 5%

[sweet zealot]

if u nerf legendaries internally then all of them will suck

sometimes u have to compares class to class

[stoic needle]

also when are they gonna bring the others in line

[sweet zealot]

or spec to spec

[balmy condor]

or maybe the rest of them are too strong

who knows

I'd probably argue the latter

[strange python]

Also, not a fan of 9.0.5 hitting so soon with so many hotfix nerfs, my groups almost done with sire but our ww is getting wrecked and the hunter nerfs seem sizeable

[stoic needle]

why is everyone having strong legendaries a bad thing

they're supposed to be legendaries after all

[hollow escarp]

because you don't have variety

[stoic needle]

?

how is it not variety if every legendary is 8-10%

instead of 5%

[echo cargo]

give rogues convoke that is all

[sharp mica]

what does it matter if they are all 5% or 10%

[balmy condor]

it doesn't matter what you want the legendaries to be, the point is that there is 1 legendary on multiple classes that overshot and landed at 10%+

[sharp mica]

it's just inflated numbers at some point

[strange python]

Sbs exsang is new convoke let's go

[balmy condor]

the widest array of legendaries are at 5%

[echo cargo]

sbs exsang doesnt exist lets go

[stoic needle]

because everyone loves big numbers

[strange python]

I know :(

[stoic needle]

give the people what they want

[balmy condor]

so clearly the if a vast majority is at 5%, and there's outliers at 10%+

then they were meant to be tuned closer to 5%

[low girder]

A pandemic envenom?

[stoic needle]

you're goddamn right

why haven't they nerfed the outliers yet >_>

[hollow escarp]

they fixed the Crimson Tempest / Alacrity bug

[stoic needle]

there's no excuse

[balmy condor]

excellent question

[strange python]

Can't nerf boomies, too many people play it

[stoic needle]

fuck them

who cares

[sweet zealot]

btw how soon can we expect sbs to be simmed?

[stoic needle]

balance the goddamn game

[balmy condor]

literally working on it right now

[strange python]

It's actually wild to me that boomie is untouched being this strong in raid and m+ and rbgs

[buoyant mauve]

have you all done your duty and reported envenom not being effected by pandemic on the ptr?

[eternal wave]

The PTR doesn't go live till next week

So can't yet

[strange python]

Boomie and fire mage being god tier in all content is pretty wild

[vestal wren]

ill just compiled something from my post history:

[limber lion]

Anything new and exciting? The official patch notes came out and I noticed that it referred to the Doomblade effect as a bleed effect. Also, Venthyr gang?

[stoic needle]

it's live right now

go report it

[eternal wave]

Iss'a joke

[stoic needle]

61%

[strange python]

Necrolord buffs look huge, we'll see what the math says

[lament mica]

idk if boomie is 'god' tier in pvp, but its a distinction not rally even worth making lol

[sweet zealot]

I mean other than not granting recharge upon kill

[gentle gyro]

Man i really don't want to go necro

[shadow helm]

eating mike tyson's ear

[sweet zealot]

120% initial dmg makes it better than ER

[strange python]

Yeah, I don't think 12.9% is too much @vestal wren. It wouldn't even be a top 3 legendary in the game at 13%

[sweet zealot]

and u have 3 stacks

[shadow helm]

if u dont want necro just go venth then

lashing scars op

[vestal wren]

13% is way over the top

[gentle gyro]

Seems more likely

[strange python]

Why!

?

[hollow escarp]

why does this appear on my logs? it's barely a dps increase

[limber lion]

Is Doomblade fixed or is Blizzard just trolling us by calling it a bleed effect?

[balmy condor]

BARELY

[eternal wave]

Am I weird for refusing Venthyr only because I don't want anything to do with cast bars as a Rogue?

[strange python]

Boats, doom winds both way bigger than 13%

[eternal wave]

Aka Door of Shadows

[balmy condor]

it's fixed

[vestal wren]

because rogue legendary items are generally balanced

[ebon tapir]

At this rate i would take anything other than night fae with sepsis. Feels so garbage

[limber lion]

Holy shit

[vestal wren]

and i think one big thing everyone missed is how blizz approached balancing

[strange python]

I'd rather have one good legendary than a lot of meh ones.

[gentle gyro]

But i like my faery friends

[vestal wren]

blizz does not "nerf" abilities

[sweet zealot]

@vestal wren true, but they are also kinda garbage if u compare to the other classes

[vestal wren]

they tune with spec auras

so if you have fucking bad balanced stuff

you limit yourself to one choice

but thats what people want it seems

[ebon tapir]

I like soul shape but sepsis feels really unrewarding to use

[low girder]

Basically everything is fixed apart from envenom pandemic. Although doomblade bleed is apparently double dipping on sinful revelation

[strange python]

I'd gladly take one good choice over many meh choices

[vestal wren]

there is no reason to be afraid of balancing, even if there seems to be a big fear

[strange python]

Could be worse, could be warlock legendaries

[vestal wren]

doomblade could become a outliner with sbs in 9.0.5 (or if they fix the bugs)

[low girder]

Something I'm still curious on is whether it also applies to zoldyck

At least the dot part

[sweet zealot]

I mean one thing that I have realized for a while is, I don't rly care that a lot of stuff like rogue legendaries or rogue covenants are EQUALLY balanced, I want them to be as good as the other classes leggos and covenants

[limber lion]

Okay that's awesome. I just woke up and I missed the hype train when it happened. but good shit

[vestal wren]

why?

what benefits do you get from having lower choice if the overall balance stays the same?

[strange python]

So we can feel stronk

[twin prism]

So is zold still the legendary to go for?

[vestal wren]

what you want is rogue to have something overpowered because it seems for you to be the only way to compete

[strange python]

?mm

[vestal wren]

whats objectively seen not true

[strange python]

???

[trim zinc]

doomblade?

[vestal wren]

zoldy does feel strong even without being 12% in impact

[strange python]

Not really. If you wanna CE raid you're currently better off playing almost anything except a rogue. I'd like for rogues to be wanted in raids again. That means either bringing damage way up, or providing a unique utility.

I'd like to play my rogue again.

[sweet zealot]

I mean ofc this is just for this tier

next tier it might get better

[strange python]

That's the hope.

[boreal kettle]

you can absolutely play rogue in a CE guild..

[vestal wren]

you again talk about current balance

[sweet zealot]

but yea... I still want what the other classes/specs have atm

[vestal wren]

look at 9.0.5

[night cypress]

ya rogues kinda lack damage but its more a raid comp issue of needing the 8 slots for raid buffs then just 4 of whatever has the best cds ie DK

[twin prism]

You can def play rogue in raids and be top 5... i know its not the best its been but its definitwlt not bad

[vestal wren]

rogue is possibly the strongest melee spec

[strange python]

Just because you can get CE as a rogue doesn't mean rogues are not also the least desired class in the game in a raid at current.

Well until new patch

[shadow helm]

nice jok

[strange python]

Every other class has a more desirable spec lol

[vestal wren]

new patch is 4/5 days away

and legendary balance so far is unchanged

[lament mica]

rogues being melee and relatively squishy deserve to be among the highest dps

makes no sense for them to be low

[strange python]

And no utility

[paper bloom]

Is it roughly known which covenant will be strongest for Assa for M+ after 9.0.5 or is it up in the air?

[limber lion]

Which means 4/5 days to grind our asses off on Necrolord renown

[fallow otter]

You heard the man, barely! Lol

[strange python]

Outlaw.

[trim zinc]

venthyr?

[vestal wren]

^ you will remain on outlaw

[lament mica]

they at least get a damage niche of having a powerful execute but the comparable classes also get an execute so its like ???

[vestal wren]

venthyr is good on outlaw too

[paper bloom]

I don't wanna play outlaw, I'm bad at it :(

[strange python]

Warrior execute+battle shout+rally

[lament mica]

and dk lol

[vestal wren]

lets be realistic

[twin prism]

How can you be bad at outlaw

[strange python]

How can you be bad at outlaw? It's easy. Just practice it

[paper bloom]

I want the next best spec/covenant for M+ for rogue

[stoic needle]

from my sims double potency theotar sims 26 dps over lashing scars/wasteland propriety

[thorn plover]

!!guide

[boreal kettle]

scuffed outlaw is still better than sub/assass for keys

[vestal wren]

9.0.5 means nothing, there is no new content so being good or maybe even too good does not give you direct benefits

[gentle gyro]

heresy

[stoic needle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/54mpJBGW86RnE4Hpe2DuuZ/simc

[hollow escarp]

sin with 35% crit is nice in M+

[sweet zealot]

ur right fuu

[vestal wren]

9.1 will have new systems and balancing, what can dramatically change what spec/class will be good

[trim zinc]

do u use what on double potency lashing and wps?

[stoic needle]

yeah lashing and wps

[gentle gyro]

i just wanna know what the difference will be

[strange python]

If rogues become desired again it personally gives me the option to play my rogue instead of my warlock without.

[gentle gyro]

cause throwing away 30k anima for 0.3% wouldn't seem to be worthwhile

[stoic needle]

the profiles aren't named, but the top dps one is lashing/wps

[limber lion]

Why don't you name the different sims

[shadow helm]

my rogue still wont replace my dk in m prog

[vestal wren]

there is no reason to play a rogue over a ranged class

but that applies for all melees

[shadow helm]

amz ibf

ams

[stoic needle]

dont have time for that shit XD

[shadow helm]

bres

[vestal wren]

there is no reason to bring a melee, if you have the raid buffs/utility covered thats neede

[stoic needle]

when i pull the best profiles i'll name them

[strange python]

Sure, but the gap between rogue and warlock now is so big it's almost trolling to play it. If the gaps smaller it can be brought more easily.

[stoic needle]

but i'm not gonna rename 20 profiles just to throw them away lol

[strange python]

I mean you kinda need a melee group for sure

Sire

[stoic needle]

you can keep all your anima btw, just buy a bunch of covenant gear and sell it back to a vendor for a refund when you swap

[paper bloom]

Can somebody tell me without saying outlaw

[limber lion]

It's more fun.

[lament mica]

melee always has fewer spots too so its more competitive

[gentle gyro]

technically yes, but not the one i spent on sanctum upgrades

[stoic needle]

true

just don't upgrade anything

[lament mica]

there's also some melee that are required cuz of utility

[strange python]

P3 mirror phase is rough with all casters unless it's full boomies/mages who can cast while moving

[lament mica]

no melee spots its dismal

[hollow escarp]

it's not gone if you ever return to your old covenant

[stoic needle]

utlaw

[sweet zealot]

I mean lets be real here

if melees didnt have raid buffs

[vestal wren]

i have no idea of 9.0.5 ranged changes, but iirc the only ranged class that saw changes was hunter

[gentle gyro]

i know that as well, but what are the chances of NF becoming better again

[sweet zealot]

ppl would just go full ranged

[limber lion]

Assa with SBS probably but there's still sims to be made so nothing is sure yet

[twin prism]

@paper bloom idk man you can mb try assa with mark of the assassin, and any covenant you like if youre going to be sub optimal anyway

[vestal wren]

and if we go by hunter, they are now doing no damage at all

[paper bloom]

[hollow escarp]

what were the chances for Venthyr to become bis?

[twin prism]

Or mb assa with zoldick

[strange python]

Yeah my guilds sire prog is fucked. We run 3 hunters and 1 ww.

[hollow escarp]

I'm gonna get renown 40 with NF and then decide if/when I swap to Venthyr

[vestal wren]

if you are on sire progress

[eternal wave]

Of course I get the Toad Soulshape as my last week as NF

[paper bloom]

Tyvm

[eternal wave]

Screw this

[boreal kettle]

feral

[vestal wren]

then you are insanely relevant in 9.0.5

paly assassination

it blasts

[strange python]

I'm our only warlock.

Can't change till farm and we replace me

Sadge

[hollow escarp]

@sweet zealot ??

[twin prism]

Why man? There were really no big changes or am i wrong @vestal wren

[vestal wren]

you are wrong

[strange python]

Low-key hate how mandatory warlock gate is for the fight

[sweet zealot]

w8 someone just removed the pin xD

[twin prism]

How? Whats the biggest change

[strange python]

Fights designed with gate in mind are bad.

[twin prism]

That makes assa good now then

[hollow escarp]

but korayn in M+

[stoic needle]

just wait for more ||scaling|| from gear

there's your 25% crit

[vestal wren]

9.0.5 changes:

• legendary buff (doomblade)
• qol changes + bugfixes
• venthyr/necro buff
  all of those are direct buffs to the spec

[twin prism]

Will we be actually using doomblade now?

[gleaming wagon]

rip sub?

[vestal wren]

depends on the fight, but yes

[strange python]

Execute damage is extremely valuable in almost all progression

[vestal wren]

yes

[strange python]

Almost every fight gets harder at the end

[twin prism]

Oh.. okay..

[tribal marsh]

sub will still be decent in pvp

[stoic needle]

[vestal wren]

for denathrius you will run zoldy

[twin prism]

Thnx man

[vestal wren]

for other fights, you probably won't

[hollow escarp]

doomblade next

[strange python]

No catch-up mechanic for soul ash is so short

Shitty

[hollow escarp]

we had 3 months to farm it

[stoic needle]

there will be in 9.1

[hollow escarp]

wdym?

[wide ridge]

fuck idk if i'm going necro or venthyr

[strange python]

Unless you benched your char because it was so bad

[trim zinc]

like how much dps increase is ookay to dont have execute?

[stoic needle]

~200

[strange python]

You think I wanna do torghast more than the bare minimum?? That place is awful

[limber lion]

In 9.1 they will surely increase the amount that you get and how much is needed for the new high tier legendaries.

[wide ridge]

PauseChamp

[buoyant mauve]

I've missed out on a lot of soul ash once I finished getting zol to r4

[stoic needle]

poor kyrian

[strange python]

Damn, venth still first

[stoic needle]

from best cov to worst cov in half a tier

[vestal wren]

is that with necro buff whispyr?

[balmy condor]

yes

[vestal wren]

ah nice

[hollow escarp]

only 5% better? that's barely worth it

[strange python]

Vampy boys now?

[rigid tartan]

hm we have to go venthyr now and not necro? 😮

[opal crypt]

so is assa gonna outperform other specs? I really dont know what to make of these changes 😛 same with covenant changes, not sure 😄

[strange python]

Have to? Get to.

[rocky ruin]

Doomblade (bugged) or Dashing?

[balmy condor]

up to date with https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/commit/7b26974aeb0800f6e1f64e593707df5705cad776

[vestal wren]

doomblade should be the default choice on any fight that does not need the execute

[trim zinc]

so everything but fae use deeper??

[honest kernel]

just wanted to ask

[balmy condor]

it's fixed

[honest kernel]

how rogue is sitting in pvp and pve content?

[median mango]

I was really looking forward to going back to venthyr but now you made me sad. 😅

[fallow otter]

@balmy condor a 226 profile? Sire weap?

[stoic needle]

this places it as the second highest simming melee dps for single target, behind feral druid

[honest kernel]

thinking of rolling assassin

[balmy condor]

229, yes

[hollow escarp]

I can easily swap because I never swapped covenant on my main

[balmy condor]

with BiS profiles, deeper sims slightly harder for necro and kyrian. Venthyr has a fairly sizable gain from deeper over vigor

[sterile jackal]

deeper on sin :<

[limber lion]

I don't really like deeper :'(

[abstract talon]

oh my...things are getting spicy

[sterile jackal]

i do not like this talent

[wide ridge]

yeah deeper on sin gonna suck big donks

[hollow escarp]

I always liked Deeper

[median mango]

Can you eli5 why deeper is better for venthyr?

[stoic needle]

1. big dick envenoms

[median mango]

More haste so more cp?

[balmy condor]

more haste means vigor bad

[stoic needle]

that's it

[plain jewel]

so if i swap to venthyr this week, will i unlock it patch week or week after

[median mango]

Yeah ok

[quasi oar]

how much haste does that bis profile have?

[stoic needle]

deeper haters

[buoyant mauve]

stop it, get some help

[stoic needle]

all the help i need is a fat envenom

[stoic needle]

if you haven't been venthyr before you will instantly become venthyr

[wide ridge]

29%

[median mango]

Do we have any venthyr sin rogues doing m+ here? I really feel like I'd miss korayn a lot. 😅

[quasi oar]

thanks

[sterile jackal]

what about m+? Seems like sin is bad without shrouded suffocation

[trim zinc]

deeper;-;

[stoic needle]

sin is fine in m+

[median mango]

Sin is super fun in m+

Fight me

[stoic needle]

several people in this channel have gotten ksm with sin

i'm going for it this week

[sterile jackal]

ok, so it outperforms outlaw? :>

[median mango]

Same osho

[limber lion]

I average 6.8k-7.1k overall with sin on keys (excluding NW)

[stoic needle]

aotc this week, ksm next week 👀

[median mango]

Hell no. 😂

[fallow otter]

Needs 10 more crit for much more dps

[trim zinc]

sameeee

[stoic needle]

[sweet zealot]

I finished everything 2 weeks ago

[honest kernel]

would anyone be able to help me on assassination spec ive levelled my rogue but not a real fan of sun/outlaw how is assassination sitting atm?

[sterile jackal]

well, i have shitty weapons on all my specs, so does not matter

[limber lion]

Just play what you want, friend.

[median mango]

This tbh

[hollow escarp]

sin is bad in M+

[sweet zealot]

btw @balmy condor are you working on the sims for the other specs as well?

[buoyant mauve]

what's the difference between doom and zold now? a little apprehensive at the idea of droping execute dmg

[balmy condor]

I'm gonna do sub after I finish sin, but I stay the fuck away from outlaw

[sterile jackal]

i'd love some scrpping leggo system

[limber lion]

But getting to dungeons as an assa can be harder just because of the pre-connotation that we're trash tier

[sterile jackal]

to get some soul ash back

[sweet zealot]

lol

[trim zinc]

respect

[eternal wave]

Wait Necrolord loses to Venthyr even with Doomblade working with SBS??

[gentle gyro]

a man of culture

[balmy condor]

yes

[eternal wave]

Jesus

[stoic needle]

[limber lion]

And it scaling from mastery as well

[hollow escarp]

it gets easier once we play with the same people and they see what we can do

[limber lion]

I was kinda hoping to see it a bit closer to Venth

[eternal wave]

By more than 2 whopping % at that

Damn

[trim zinc]

ur loving this dont u

[stoic needle]

so much

OUR TIME HAS COME

VAMPIRE BOYS RISE UP

[naive rock]

wait how do people know the SBS sims? are the released yet?

[sweet zealot]

I mean kyrian tho

[arctic walrus]

@balmy condor love that this channel is always filled with anecdotal evidence that the spec is a god send

[reef axle]

https://tenor.com/view/palpatine-rise-get-up-star-wars-gif-14175405

[limber lion]

Yeah that's what I did yesterday for 4 keys when we pushed from +16, our last key being +19 NW. No way in hell am I going to get into a +19 pug as a puny 1600 rio

[balmy condor]

the sort-of good news for you venthyr haters is a lot of that 2% difference comes from the venthyr conduit, which is quite strong, and also isn't easily farmed. Be aware that it is still a BiS sim. I doubt people will have 226 lashing scars

[limber lion]

Groups are the key to grinding score

[balmy condor]

welcome :P

[cobalt flame]

I want to return to assa so much, getting sick of that rng crap outlaw. But i dont want to switch from night fae D:

[naive rock]

@limber lion I can barley get into 19s with 1850 io

[wide ridge]

ve'nari gambling here I come

[limber lion]

Exactly :'(

[shadow helm]

SIMS UP?

[stoic needle]

no one is forcing you at gunpoint to switch

[stoic needle]

nope. simcraft has been retired

[hollow escarp]

also not so many people playing sin, like these are my sin ranks with 1400 rio while on rogue general I'm 7000+ world

[stoic needle]

sims are now illegal

simming is punishable by death

talk to your kids about simming

[cobalt flame]

Pontency conduits now drop from raid dont they? So you can farm everything from mythic and then just venari upgrade covenant conduit?

[limber lion]

Yeah, I'm #13 in the world with 1600 kek but that's just the norm for underplayed specs

[reef axle]

so if we have the sespis one, will it turn into a venthyr one upon switch?

[stoic needle]

yes just farm them from mythic

[gentle gyro]

no

[stoic needle]

no you have to farm it

[reef axle]

well darn

[gentle gyro]

you have to re-acquire and upgrade it

[limber lion]

World bosses and callings baby

Jk Maw and Ven'ari here I come

[balmy condor]

the covenant one doesn't drop from raids I don't think

[trim zinc]

like a 200 lashing is still better then fae?

[limber lion]

[balmy condor]

200 lashing is better than any other 200 conduit

[limber lion]

It does from Sire I think

Push posted a pic of Sire's loot in the ptr

[balmy condor]

venthyr is still better than everything else, even without lashing. It's just not 2% better

it's like

0.4% better

[faint canopy]

So 200 lashing > NF with 213 conduits?

[balmy condor]

ye probably

[limber lion]

Ok I'm convinced, vampire-boys, here we come

[trim zinc]

cuz its pretty ez to get a 200 from a WB

[limber lion]

"pretty ez"

Yoy either get it, or you don't

[shadow helm]

pretty pog if u get 226 lashing scars

thru maw

[trim zinc]

like its only rng

[dense forge]

hows venthyr for the other specs?

[storm perch]

hey guys, are there necro changes in pins simulation? which soulbind is chosen there?

[limber lion]

Then you have to wait a week to try again

Can't exactly farm it

[shadow helm]

80% increased damage

[drifting cloud]

dont you just get it from an epic calling

[balmy condor]

not sure what the question is

[limber lion]

Yeah you can, drops as 184 ilvl I think

[balmy condor]

I ran it through raidbots/simulationcraft like you would anything else

[faint canopy]

Btw, when you said you'll do sub when you finish with sin, you mean you're running aoe Sims?

[limber lion]

Which soulbind was it using btw? Theotar or Nadja?

[storm perch]

sry, meant soulbind

emeni?

[tribal marsh]

which legendary to craft?

[trim zinc]

btw that sim is with duelist?? @balmy condor

[tribal marsh]

as a cookie cutter lego

[limber lion]

Doomblade

[balmy condor]

emeni is trash. The venthyr one uses nadjia duelist, necro uses heirmir, fae uses niya burrs, and kyrian uses kleia

[naive rock]

Is necro dps still really bad?

[shadow helm]

zoldyc

[trim zinc]

ty

[storm perch]

ah, i see. Thx for an answer

[low girder]

I'll be curious about cleave and whatnot, from what solo is finding for outlaw necro is king outside of patchwerk

But obviously sbs cleaves from flurry

[balmy condor]

I'm doing dungeonslice/aoe sims now, just have to update all my profiles and such

[low girder]

Excellent

[balmy condor]

all my simulation copypastas are uh

very out of date

[low girder]

[balmy condor]

so I'm taking the time to go through and fix those

[low girder]

Upside you hopefully won't have to fiddle with them too much longer

At least for a bit

[balmy condor]

yeh, that's the idea

I assume we're gonna see hotfixes and stuff

[hollow escarp]

not sure if it's worth swapping on reset day considering how much renown I have to farm

[regal crag]

So if I'm raiding I should switch to venthyr now? :(

[balmy condor]

so I'm trying to future-proof my shit

[reef axle]

can u get lashing scars through stgyia roulette?

[balmy condor]

yes

[shadow helm]

inb4 they hotfix LASHING SCARS DAMAGE

[regal crag]

Souls shape is so nice though

[elfin valley]

@hollow escarp you can easily get 20 some renown in a day

[eternal wave]

Yah I'll probably miss Soulshape with only 1 charge of Shadowstep and no Hook with CDR...

[elfin valley]

Just after that is where it starts to slow down

[bright turret]

What do you do to easily get 20

[regal crag]

Play the game

[hollow escarp]

weeklies, emisarries

raids

pvp

[eternal wave]

Clear Normal CN, no joke

Bosses puke renown

[naive rock]

Wait so I am not seeing what bis outlaw sims are for single target it is under the 7.4k venth?

[elfin valley]

Wb, dungeons, lfr, normal, heroic, emissaries

[cobalt flame]

On new alt went to like 30 pretty damn fast

Then it stopped

[hollow escarp]

gonna do it after thursday raid so I have 4 days to farm renown and do campaign

[shadow helm]

tfw you already switched covenants twice already

[hollow escarp]

oof

[elfin valley]

I would do mine today but I gotta stay kyrian for outlaw while we push keys next week though

[cobalt flame]

I am NF since d1 and I dont want to swap :(

[hollow escarp]

I don't mind swapping

[shadow helm]

glad to be switching from nf

[rancid spade]

doomblade still bugged??

[shadow helm]

everyone in keys is fuckin nf

[balmy condor]

no

[hollow escarp]

I would prefer to actually play every covenant this expansion

so it's a good change for me

[cobalt flame]

If u return to covenant you previously left, you start at renown 1 again?

[shadow helm]

waiting for this guys sims so i can make the final decision lMAO

no

you start where you left off

[viral meadow]

Sorry can't find anything in pins. What's the deal with Doomblade atm?

[cobalt flame]

Hm, guess I can switch from nf then if needed

[balmy condor]

there is no deal with doomblade, it's fixed

[shadow helm]

yeah but you hanve to wait for that time shit

[viral meadow]

Ah so it responds as intended with armor now. IIRC that was the issue. So it's bis atm?

[limber lion]

I'm gonna be surprised if necrolord isn't #1 in d slice and aoe sims.

[cobalt flame]

Yeah I think i will switch after first balance patch in next tier anyways. No need to switch now since we are on 1% wipe on mythic denathrius

[buoyant mauve]

just turned in prove your worth, now I just gotta wait (though idk how long for)

[eternal wave]

How long does a given pack live according to DSlice sims?

[low girder]

That's my guess too. Question is by how much.

[balmy condor]

be surprised

[eternal wave]

No way

[simple flower]

does doomblade do more damage than zoldyck even when the target is <30%?

[shy dust]

Trusting your sims thiugh

[low girder]

Sounds like a rough decision for a multispec player

[balmy condor]

it's like, not even close

[balmy condor]

I mean, with how far behind necro is, I'm not trusting this either

but I can't find a reason as to why it's wrong

like

all the numbers and stuff make sense

[limber lion]

How do they triple the initial damage, make it work with seal fate and mastery, and still it fails to top the other covenants?

[shy dust]

Because flag is nuts

And they just recently reworked it

And it’s conduit is nuts

[low girder]

It's not nuts for outlaw

[balmy condor]

flag just seems crazy for sin

is the tldr

[shy dust]

Fuck outlaw

[balmy condor]

that I'm getting from this

[low girder]

But is that just because sbs cleaves with flurry

[limber lion]

But I'm honestly glad if Flag is #1 for aoe as well. Makes it easier to choose from then

[stoic needle]

Sbs cleaves with flurry?

[dense forge]

hows flag for outlaw tho?

[balmy condor]

yeh, the instant hit

[low girder]

It does

[stoic needle]

Wow

[sterile jackal]

small offtopic: if i get 40 rewnown with kyrian will i keep title?

[rancid spade]

sbs x3 envenom with ds my new pvp opener

[limber lion]

No one knows because no one is 40 renown

[low girder]

They're initial sims, still a wait and see and have people look over

[dusk lodge]

I have a question. Will sbs get to work with doomblade? 5% more increased envenom?

[shadow helm]

so necrolord shit whispy??

[low girder]

But interesting so far

[shadow helm]

[cosmic prism]

anyone see that post about ww's on the monk discord?

[sweet zealot]

no

[quasi oar]

show

[solar flicker]

all im saying is

[ornate lake]

According to the patch notes, yes. Sbs is counted as bleed towards doomblde lrggo

[cobalt flame]

Yeah, leveled monk like 2 weeks ago

Thats time im not getting back

[stoic needle]

[cobalt flame]

That spec is dead af

[dusk lodge]

Does any1 know for sure that sbs will now get to increase envenom by 5%?

[balmy condor]

yes, it works with doomblade

[limber lion]

It literally says that on the patch notes

[sweet zealot]

I mean I did expect monk to be only good this tier

[dusk lodge]

Thx men

[indigo mulch]

I'm happy. I was bullied into playing WW for mythic progression. I'm happy i can return to playing rogue again ;c

[stoic needle]

monk scaling

[sweet zealot]

^^

[cosmic prism]

ur guild sux

[cobalt flame]

You have guild that accepts rogue for mythic progression ?

[sweet zealot]

I mean there was a time when my guildies tried to persuade me to go lock (we didnt have a lock and A LOT of melees)

[solar flicker]

better at least have ce by now if you’re being forced to play other shit

thats so whack

[sweet zealot]

I still am one of the best dps in the raid

[ornate lake]

Just saw pins. Holy shit venthyr 160 dps ahead

Really hoped necro would be equal though

[rancid spade]

i think you add 1 more target and necro goes up

[cobalt flame]

I mean the only reason i got in on most of progression fights (except 2 melee sludgefist) is because i die to avoidable mechanics very very rarely and our rangeds are bunch of potatoes. Wondering if that will change next tier

[ornate lake]

Let's give whispyr some time to make that argument legit.

[sterile jackal]

never. Ranged are mailny potatoes

[cobalt flame]

Yeah found out the hard way, that you are right.

SLG and Denathrius really revealed how bad and greedy rangeds can be

[ornate lake]

Would also be really nice if with assa changes, you can run m+ on 15 or higher keys without trolling the group.

Gotta compete with outlaw

[limber lion]

????? You already can

[dense forge]

you can run 15 or higher withour having a spec tbh

[limber lion]

+15 isn't exactly a super high key.

[drifting imp]

Tru

[dense forge]

[limber lion]

You can do +20's completely fine.

[echo cargo]

Sin does pretty respectable damage, especially when it's Fort and like, a 17

[buoyant mauve]

seeing "several people are typing..." after stefan said that was hilarious

[drifting imp]

Got ksm last week as sin

[echo cargo]

Higher the key goes the higher your damage honestly

[pliant slate]

just reading the upcoming patch notes - does this change mean that MA legendary no longer crits bleeds and/or poisons?? or are they classed as "abilities"

ROGUE
Mark of the Master Assassin now only affects auto-attack and Rogue abilities’ critical strike chance.

[dense forge]

no more nw abuse@pliant slate

thats about it

[eternal wave]

It means it no longer Crits with Necrotic Wake items

[ornate lake]

You can do it, but if you go towards 20's you will help the group more as outlaw I feel. (Somewhat depending on dungeon too though)

[echo cargo]

Are the SBS changes, etc on nightly?

[cobalt flame]

We are shitters with +17 as a max key and we did 15 ToP on +2 with 190 ilvl alt who needed weekly so yea. You dont need anything for +15 If group is not trolling

[drifting imp]

Like the spears In NW or?

[low girder]

Like the spears, and also on use trinkets

[dense forge]

yep

[low girder]

Outside of that no effect

[pliant slate]

ah gottcha - no more insane dps with spears and orbs in NW
ta good to know

[balmy condor]

AoE and Cleave Covenant Comparisons:
Note that the use of MA vs Zold has minor influence on the evaluation here. This is not enough to shift the meta.

[elfin valley]

Rip big on use trinkets

[balmy condor]

(gonna pin stuff out of order and then re-order later)

[drifting imp]

Well I don't rly care about any other leggos... Those zoldyc pants are now grown to my body at this point lol

[balmy condor]

next up is legendary comparisons now after the doomblade fix

[sterile jackal]

bb Kyrians :<

[limber lion]

Fuck yes. Where's all the MA haters now?

Literally simming better than Zoldy

Ya'll are doubters

[shadow helm]

riskey bidness

[sterile jackal]

here i am

[limber lion]

[sterile jackal]

i got MA on wrists :/

[low girder]

Huh, really low in dungeonslice, you weren't kidding

Interesting

[stoic needle]

MA? I sleep

Zoldyck forever

[drifting imp]

I mean both are pretty boring

[balmy condor]

I looked at it briefly, I think the value is pretty skewed with the single target added in on dungeonslice, and it seems to have some questionable ramp-time problems on the shorter lived packs

[trim zinc]

yeeeeeee

[balmy condor]

that's basically the entire reason I included the sustain in

[stoic needle]

There needs to be a 'key level' variable for dslice

[rich vine]

bb fae

[low girder]

Makes sense, maybe it really is flurry bringing up the value for outlaw

Fuck this is not making my decision easier

[reef axle]

tempted to make leggo now in case of price spike

[balmy condor]

I think there might some APL to have regarding it as well, me and koji can look at that probably tomorrow to make sure

[limber lion]

Also whether to lust the boss or pull a huge pack and lust with it. M+ is such a random environment, really hard to sim for it

[balmy condor]

that's not really like "oh sbs APL is fucked"

[stoic needle]

@balmy condor is there a list of what conduit corresponds to what number in an advanced sim string?

[balmy condor]

it's more like

I'm suspicious

[low girder]

Yeah def

[buoyant mauve]

I sold early on Venthyr once before, this time I'm going to the moon 🚀

[ornate lake]

Well necro might be interesting with doomblde.

[limber lion]

Venthyr-gang

[rancid spade]

im necro since the launch

[trim zinc]

so one more sim but simming leggos?

[balmy condor]

you can type the name out

[balmy condor]

yes

[stoic needle]

...oh

[shadow helm]

WHESPY

[low girder]

Necro is just way better than venthyr on multitarget for outlaw from initial findings. I'm also fae so it's a swap either way.

[balmy condor]

for example:
soulbind="niya:1,322721/238:7/342270/320668/320659"
is the same as
soulbind="niya:1,322721/lashing_scars:7/342270/320668/320659"

[limber lion]

And with valor points I guess Plaguefall is my new home now

[balmy condor]

and you can go through and replace the other ones the same way

[limber lion]

Until I get the trinket that is

[stoic needle]

bless you whispyr

[drifting imp]

I put so much anima into my fae garden, maybe I'll switch once I got my mounts there

[vestal wren]

its usually better to just use the names

[dense forge]

sad about leaving nf cuz they are so good in rbgs

[vestal wren]

i am just weird and use ids

[limber dagger]

Guys with master assasin being a thing, does this make Exsang build vailable again? Like it was legion? I really liked that playstyle

[stoic needle]

i dont know what the ids are

[dense forge]

for sap capping bases with soulshape

[balmy condor]

I use ID's too, it makes it easier when comparing top gear and stuff since raidbots uses ID's as well

but maybe that's just a weird thing that I made a habit through the bis list stuff

idk

[vestal wren]

wasn't raidbots updated to use tokenized names?

i thought it was

[balmy condor]

nah, copied profiles off of top gear still use id

so I just got in the habit of ID's

[vestal wren]

btw. you don't need this part:
soulbind="**niya:1,**322721/lashing_scars:7/342270/320668/320659"

[limber dagger]

Building up strong bleeds with exs and then vanishing for huge burst

[balmy condor]

ye also a habit I got for readability

[stoic needle]

whispyr you should include double potency for theotar because it's simming better than wasteland propriety for me

[balmy condor]

[stoic needle]

no

[limber dagger]

Why not ? 😦

[stoic needle]

exsang bad

[balmy condor]

I saw, tried it, wasn't close, so I scrapped it

[limber dagger]

no u

[stoic needle]

🤔 it sims 27 dps better for me

[vestal wren]

i got a document with all the id's ^^ so i just copy/paste what i need :p

[balmy condor]

yeah none of my profiles showed double potency theotar as a gain in dslice, nor aoe

[stoic needle]

where do i find this

lol

[vestal wren]

its only on my pc 😛

[balmy condor]

I have a folder of text documents I've made for comparisons

it's just something you do eventually

:P

[vestal wren]

^

[stoic needle]

building this shit manually every time is a pita

[balmy condor]

that's why we have documents

[vestal wren]

i also used it in my spreadsheet

[normal mist]

Morning yall. Did anything got confirmed about sbs or other rogue stuff during the night?
Sorry if this has been asked for the 53rd time

[vestal wren]

so it was in the report and could be easy copy & pasted

[balmy condor]

54th actually. Exsang sbs got fixed, it works with doomblade, mastery only affects the bleed portion

[vestal wren]

tho i think my reports are not aviable anymore

because raidbots deletes reports after 30 days

will need to re-run everything with the patch

[naive rock]

@normal mist sims are pinned

[balmy condor]

miki posted his imports as rich-text on a separate page on the bis list, I think that's a pretty quick and easy way to get around the 30 day timer

[vestal wren]

the only way to get around the 30 day timer is to sim again before the timer ends

[balmy condor]

yeah

I know

[vestal wren]

the problem is that people might want to look at the reports, so you want to have them hosted somewhere

[balmy condor]

I'm just saying that he had the import stuff on the side, so you could re-run it without the sim

[buoyant mauve]

getting to sleepy to wait on leggo sims, I hope when I wake up that zol is still #1 or at least close enough. Thanks for all your hard work @balmy condor ❤️

[vestal wren]

i got my templates saved, so its not to bad for me 😛

[balmy condor]

1 more sim and then we go

:P

5 minutes I promise

[buoyant mauve]

oke ;-;

[trim zinc]

@balmy condor ur insane ❤️

[elfin valley]

Praise be our sim god Whispyr

[balmy condor]

[naive rock]

wait so necro is higher dmg for cleave damage, but bad for st. Venth seems to be a good combo of both

[normal mist]

So from my understanding venthyrs are going wild and necro goes toe to toe, while nfae keeps his 2/3 place?

[sterile jackal]

there should be new command on the channel, sth like !whatsnew and it would sum up all thing written, would be easier for newcomers. And Whisp would rest a bit

[normal mist]

Yes please

[balmy condor]

I had a pin up for all the 9.0.5 changes but I took it down

seemed to be underused

[naive rock]

I was looking at the Pin D:

[balmy condor]

also need to re-shuffle all the sim stuff atm

[sterile jackal]

i love pins

[balmy condor]

oh wait

the 9.0.5 stuff is still up

just hasn't been updated with sbs

this thing

[shadow helm]

tamashi

[faint canopy]

Whispyr is unironically the messiah of the whole sin rogue community, on top of his shoulders lay rest the fate of every rogue, deciding if they reroll or no

[balmy condor]

was sort of a test to see how people would take it, plan was to do a sort of "What's new this week" type thing, if we're in the heat of patch notes

but it didn't catch on to well just like this

so maybe we revisit the idea for 9.1

[faint canopy]

How does the crushing responsability feel, whispyr?

[balmy condor]

I'm just a dumbass with a raidbots account man idk

[drifting imp]

Lmao

[ocean drum]

guys.. i'm torn af 😄 assa rogue or frost dk? 😦

[shadow helm]

make both

lmao

[elfin valley]

But your the leader of us dumbasses

[hollow escarp]

my horde alt already has 200 Lashing don't even remember when I got it

[shadow helm]

so necro shite?

[cobalt flame]

Pin a message saying no covenant is better than chosing one and see all the rogues leveling new one just so they can play without it

[balmy condor]

@buoyant mauve as promised

:P

[shadow helm]

venth it is

cooler mog

[trim zinc]

being honest whispyr helped me alot already literally, im "new" here i do ask a lot of dumb shit and he always saves me
and i do look at all his stuff trying to be better at this spec
so ty ❤️

[balmy condor]

Legendary Comparison:
These sims were run with an attempt at minimal impact from covenant/soulbind/conduit
See also for more detail:<#assassination message>

[elfin valley]

Pog

[balmy condor]

aight

[normal mist]

Is this the time where we group hug?

Oh wait, covid

[shadow helm]

2 days wait for venthyr idiots to accept me back

and 10 years to farm renown

[balmy condor]

now we do the great repin of '21

[trim zinc]

do u think that changes a lot with soulbinds and conduits??

[solar flicker]

whats the over/under on ven nerfs according to vegas

[stoic needle]

ttb simming better than zold on st

[balmy condor]

not really, but it does affect things like zold a little

[quasi oar]

wonder if they're gonna nerf lashing scars

[buoyant mauve]

my eyes are wide open now and my GOD

[faint canopy]

F the guy that wanted zold to be top

[balmy condor]

but obviously doomblade sims higher on necro than on kyrian just by way of interaction

so when I sim legendaries

it's important to take out all the biasing stuff

[drifting imp]

How much soulash is one complete leggo?

[balmy condor]

to just get raw 1 to 1

[buoyant mauve]

back to torghast for me

[shadow helm]

TAMASHI

[vestal wren]

doomblade joins the celerity club 😛

[stoic needle]

are you going to do a pin with legendaries + conduits?

[trim zinc]

so imma craft my doomblade and swap to venthyr hehehe

[balmy condor]

nah, seems unnecessary

[stoic needle]

cool, i can do that one then

[shadow helm]

so if you want to go balls blazin doomblade gang

[median mango]

Same, one week no venthyr but at least I already have Nadjia maxed for when I go back.

[shadow helm]

you go necro?

[stoic needle]

for venthyr at least

[faint canopy]

BUT NAME THEM

[stoic needle]

after i sleep

[naive rock]

whispr the link that you pinned before. Venth is better for pure single target, and necro is better for cleave? Not really sure which would be better in CN

[rigid tartan]

id be interested in sims with the typical 224-226 itemlevel that most highend raiders have. also is it possible necro is stronger if venthyr only has 200 itemlevel conduit lashing scars?

[balmy condor]

I did a comparison of legendaries with covenants attached, and it doesn't majorly change the evaluation

[dense forge]

doomblade?

[balmy condor]

so it's kinda whatever

[elfin valley]

Ik you have probably answered this a lot but do you think the execute of zold is still a higher priority than the extra doomblade damage for the last 3 bosses of raid @balmy condor

[buoyant mauve]

pls

[balmy condor]

yes

[balmy condor]

arguable

[shadow helm]

doomblade better on hands or shoaldors

[balmy condor]

personally I'm not that sure, I would say zold for sire definitely

for everything else, not too sure

[shadow helm]

jk i already bought 235 shoulders

[buoyant mauve]

we are getting uncomfortably close to oshosi's big envenom setup and I'm not liking it

[shadow helm]

cause i ahve crit haste 226 hands

[buoyant mauve]

only thing left now is stacking mast

[stoic needle]

still i think some people would like to see some of the combos just in case they have a favorite legendary/conduit/soulbind so they see how much they will lose by using it

[trim zinc]

im liking it

NUT

[elfin valley]

Yeah that was my thought process I'm just trying to decide now because I have neither but can make one or the other Tuesday. Currently I'm using dashing @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

sure, I can post that

[eternal wave]

The great re-stating is gonna be fun

[stoic needle]

SOOOOON

[eternal wave]

Sitting 754 Versa and 83 Mastery lol

[naive rock]

Hmmm so for CN venth is def best cov because there is only one cleave fight, and the rest are single target. I wanted bone spike to be Bis D:

[uneven summit]

so venthyr assa

[stoic needle]

?

[shadow helm]

isnt it 3 cleave

fights

huntsman slg inerva

[stoic needle]

Huntsman, generals, sire(kinda) inerva are all cleave

[naive rock]

Whispyr did not show two target cleave

[balmy condor]

if your raid runs into traps on xymox, it turns into a cleave fight

[indigo mulch]

lol

[trim zinc]

sire for mult dot

[normal mist]

Lop

[shadow helm]

i always soul reaper traps

[stoic needle]

council would be cleave if they didn't have the dumb hp reset

[shadow helm]

lmao

[mild flame]

would stats weight still be kinda crit/hase for ST?

[shadow helm]

free RUNIC CORRUPTION

[naive rock]

Inerva is kind of cleave I guess

[dense forge]

just play necro if u like it

[naive rock]

ewww gross I gotta top meters in mythic raids D: