assassination

[balmy condor]

the sub one is also very long

and there's less talent stuff in there

you can also look at it as a raw organizational thing

a lot of spec implementation is "here's single target" and "here's aoe"

and it just goes down the list

fury for example

[spice spire]

That’s nutty

Like actually how much and how little classes may have

[balmy condor]

and I think a lot of that does have to do with how specs play

[vestal wren]

outlaw is usually the more simple one

a lot of the outlaw apl usually is in reroll logic

in terms of complexity

[balmy condor]

outlaw's is shorter

but tbh it's still got quite a bit in there

and I'm not claiming that the other classes are "unoptimized" or whatever

that might be optimized

and the spec is just very straight forward

[vestal wren]

its a bit bigger now with the vanish and reroll lines

assassination is usually the "biggest/longest" apl but plays quite simple

so i wouldn't link the lengh of the apl to ease of execution

[balmy condor]

that's a screenshot from the website

[vestal wren]

you mean the report

[balmy condor]

yeah

same thing

(it's not but yes, the report)

[vestal wren]

was not sure if anyone was comparing the apl lines of classes/specs

would probably be a fun thing to do, but not nessecerly generate a lot of usefull data

[balmy condor]

yeah I agree

it's just interesting to see rogue apl's with a ton of conditionals, and then you look at a different class and the apl is simply "cast this" "cast that" "cast this if you're overcapping" "cast this if you have this cooldown active"

and that's it

something like fire mage is crazy though

combustion,use_off_gcd=1,use_while_casting=1,if=buff.combustion.down&(!runeforge.disciplinary_command|buff.disciplinary_command.up|buff.disciplinary_command_frost.up&talent.rune_of_power&cooldown.buff_disciplinary_command.ready)&(!runeforge.grisly_icicle|debuff.grisly_icicle.up)&(!covenant.necrolord|cooldown.deathborne.remains|buff.deathborne.up)&(action.meteor.in_flight&action.meteor.in_flight_remains<=variable.combustion_cast_remains|action.scorch.executing&action.scorch.execute_remains<variable.combustion_cast_remains|action.fireball.executing&action.fireball.execute_remains<variable.combustion_cast_remains|action.pyroblast.executing&action.pyroblast.execute_remains<variable.combustion_cast_remains|action.flamestrike.executing&action.flamestrike.execute_remains<variable.combustion_cast_remains)

that's the combustion line

and like in general

holy shit

they got a ton of pre-combat and buff syncing optimizations going on it's kind of insane

[spice spire]

What the fuck

[balmy condor]

I tried looking at fire mage apl for a guild mate of mine

and my eyes glazed over

[candid quarry]

Does vanish reset torgh bosses?

[balmy condor]

if you're solo and too slow to cast coming out of it, yes

if you insta-cast something from vanish, you should be able to keep it in combat

it's a little hit or miss

[candid quarry]

But u can vanish- rup?

Ok thanks

[balmy condor]

I personally try to avoid vanishing on bosses when I'm alone

because it's a little tricky to pull off consistently

I'll vein ripper at like 25% though if I know that's going to kill it

[vestal wren]

mage uses a lot of variables

i saw it once when koji went over their apl

[balmy condor]

yeah

[vestal wren]

the tragedy for me is that mage only optimizes for very limited fight styles even with a rather complex apl

[balmy condor]

I saw some commits from dorovon that actually point to a possible dslice implementation

APL changes that allow for add kill times and such

[vestal wren]

i would welcome that

[balmy condor]

im not familiar with the mage tc'ers

but it looks like they might be slowly working towards a refactor to allow for dslice

[vestal wren]

mage has iirc the biggest amount of tcers of any class

but they also have very strong opinions on some things

whats the reason they only optimize for x/y and ignore other stuff completely

[tacit otter]

when im going ma in m+ do i go vigor or mfd? mfd opener feels so clunky idk

[balmy condor]

mfd can be better

but vigor is perfectly fine

[stoic needle]

what makes you say that mfd is clunky

[balmy condor]

if you're not comfortable with mfd, you'll be fine with vigor

[limber lion]

I pretty much only ever play Vigor. It's much more brain-afk like that and I like it

[tacit otter]

im playing mfd with zoldyck but with ma i feel so energy starved after opener. maybe my opener is wrong. hows that supposed to look like?

[balmy condor]

4 garrotes into a CT

[tacit otter]

i mean with ma

[stoic needle]

and then mfd rup

you shouldn't use MA talent in keys

[balmy condor]

ma in keys

[stoic needle]

always subterfuge

[balmy condor]

is mega troll

[spice spire]

Oof.

[tacit otter]

i mean ma legendary. i know i go nightstalker with ma or subt with zoldyck

[balmy condor]

wat

[stoic needle]

you go subterfuge always in keys

[balmy condor]

^

[stoic needle]

it's basically impossible to be energy starved with 4 garottes up

[tacit otter]

oh i thought someone said some time ago nightstalker is the way to go

[balmy condor]

yikes

[stoic needle]

nop

[balmy condor]

nightstalker is never the way to go

in pve at least

[tacit otter]

i was confused about that, makes sense. but with ma legendary i go for 4x garrote? seems weird to me

[balmy condor]

you can do 3 garrotes and a fok if you'd like

but subterfuge garrotes are huge

[tacit otter]

wheres the point of playing ma then? only for vanish?

[balmy condor]

yeah, but you also get crit on that opener, which isn't 0 value

vanishing into full crit foks and all the bleeds ticking is fairly strong

[stoic needle]

vanishing with a full pack of mobs dotted up is a lot of damage and very satisfying

[balmy condor]

but usually you'd want to vanish for 3 more subt garrotes

so that's why I personally don't really play ma

[stoic needle]

yep

[balmy condor]

its a little awkward for me

[tacit otter]

but staying in vanish for 1-2 sec is troll right? its a big time waste only for the bleed ticks right? so instant fok?

[stoic needle]

MA feels like you want to use mutilates and envenoms during the window, but you never do that in keys except on bosses

[balmy condor]

yes don't sit in stealth

[tacit otter]

makes sense. was just confused with the opener, seems so useless compared to zoldyck yikes

thanks guys

[strange python]

is zoldyck best on legs?

[lyric badger]

I have on non-rogue specific question regarding weak auras, can anyone help me out?

[vestal wren]

only if you ask the question, but its possibly better to just ask in the wa discod

[lyric badger]

oh i didnt know there was one, could you link it if possible?

[thorn dove]

when using MA do i want to apply dots to a second target before or after vendetta?

[storm onyx]

Before

[thorn dove]

thanks

[pulsar sluice]

Yo I need a good SnD wa

like literally just for SnD

[balmy condor]

pull one out of a pack

[keen remnant]

afnar one is pretty good

highlight in the final 30%

[strange python]

I use a really simple one

just shows the timer and highlights when you need to press it again

https://wago.io/liOSJ4TkJ

[lapis jungle]

How much overall dps are you guys landing on after a dung?

[balmy condor]

5.5-6k depending on route and key

if we're going giga I've gotten 6.3-6.4k

[lapis jungle]

Just did a mist and got 7.1. It felt gigamuch lul

[balmy condor]

yeah mists is definitely one of those contenders for gigadam

[lapis jungle]

It was with Niya and herb aswell so didnt think I would get that much

[balmy condor]

herb is pog

we love herb

[lapis jungle]

Yea I prefer herb over burrs. But I see so many running burrs so its wierd

[balmy condor]

in keys?

the alternative would be korayn if anything tbh

I guess tyrannical keys people go monke for boss damage

[lapis jungle]

Yea in keys on tyrr. But I sim higher with herbs on ST with ep/ct so dno. Guess it sims higher for others

[shut edge]

Whats the threshold of targets where you gonna start fok?

[balmy condor]

fok on 4

[shut edge]

Else you gain cp with mut?

[balmy condor]

yes

[shut edge]

And spread rupture i guess right?

[balmy condor]

yes

[shut edge]

Alright. Thanks.

But can it valuable to spread poison with fok on lets say 3 targets just once? Or should i swap targets for my mut?

[shrewd ether]

@balmy condor mmm how is the meta build for the assassin?, Can it already be used in ST doing the concurrence to other spec?

[balmy condor]

difference wouldn't be too big, but ideally you would target swap

[balmy condor]

its fine

[limber lion]

It's still a 50% chance to apply poison, so keep that in mind.

[shut edge]

Yes. It just naturally flows to me to use at least 1 fok. I dunno if i should stop this.

[limber lion]

jk it doesn't do anything

[limber lion]

Yeah I had that same thing at some point as well.

FoK is just a really bad ability.

Doesn't have 100% chance to apply poisons, doesn't guarantee more than 1 combo point

[shut edge]

Seems like that yeah. But the combo points gain on more target is value or at least it feels valuable haha

[oblique flare]

kinda sad when you'd think to have a good chance of getting easy combo points with FoK and seal fate, yet even at 5+ adds you still end with 1 cp lol

[fair stag]

Guys, I saw a hipster god parse with the Scoundrel leggo... is it real or just a meme?

[balmy condor]

what?

what about it is "hipster"

[fair stag]

217 ilvl and using Scoundrel leggo instead of execute... what do yall think?

[balmy condor]

I mean

that's fine

scoundrel is better single target if you have consistent uptime and don't want the execute from zold

sims higher and everything too

so I don't think that's weird

[stoic needle]

I highly doubt he's actually parsing with 217 ilvl though

[balmy condor]

why?

[icy crater]

bUt EvErYoNe SaYs zOlD iS bIs

[fair stag]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/2CWGQcPVzKMN4AgT#fight=13&type=damage-done

It's heroic tho

just thought it was quite unusual yet interesting

[stoic needle]

Yeah that's what I thought

[balmy condor]

seems fine to me

[stoic needle]

Because most top parses are people with absolutely decked gear

[balmy condor]

not on heroic tbh

[stoic needle]

217 to 226 ilvl is a hefty gap

[balmy condor]

no one really cares about heroic parses

[solar flicker]

if ur 226 ur prolly not doing h xymox

[balmy condor]

I was parsing 99's in heroic at like 213-215

without PI

would probably be greens or blues in mythic honestly with how few sin rogues there are

I would get outgeared there

but heroic parses

meh

[stoic needle]

I just assume that everyone is talking about mythic when they talk about parses

[balmy condor]

yeh

[limber lion]

I can only hope that we kill Sire/Generals soon so I can kill the earlier bosses as well :''( sitting at pretty meh parses there.

We've had 2 nights of very little progress on Generals. It's gonna take sooo long to get down as a 2-day guild.

[raw tusk]

Wheres assasination lookin like far as dps ranking in 9.05? anything changes major for em?

[balmy condor]

best single target rogue spec

outside of that, hard to know, but in terms of melee probably okay

[young pebble]

With Zoldyk or is Doomblade looking to be bis?

[balmy condor]

doomblade/dashing

[raw tusk]

everyone figured theyd top off eventually good to see assasin getting some love

[balmy condor]

kinda what happens when you just get one buff after the next

[raw tusk]

yeah lol hard to avoid it

[balmy condor]

3 aura buffs, cttc is a buff, doomblade was already competitive for the best single target legendary, that got buffed, venthyr got buffed, that's looking good

[raw tusk]

yeah im ven now and always had an assassination set ready for when they finally passed lol

[tacit forum]

Rly hope dashing to be more viable

[raw tusk]

zold still top leggo but doom the second now?

[inner granite]

@balmy condor Do we need to pool energy to prepare for shiv windows or does it not matter?

[balmy condor]

zold was never the top leggo in raw single target

[balmy condor]

you should, but it's not like you're losing 15% of your damage or something crazy if you don't

[raw tusk]

dashing was wasnt it? but zold was jus what everyone got

[tacit forum]

How far is dashing from dB on ptr?

[balmy condor]

a good amount

I assume they would be within like 0.4% if the envenom bug got fixed

[tacit forum]

😭

Just for curiosity

Where should we be crafting DB?

[stoic needle]

please blizzard fix the doomblade dot

[balmy condor]

gloves if you have good shoulders, otherwise shoulders

[tacit forum]

Noice

[stoic needle]

Uh tbh both gloves and shoulders give the same amount of secondary stat so I don't think it actually matters at all

[tacit forum]

Actually hands are my weakest spot

[balmy condor]

yeh

[tacit forum]

I got a 220 shoulders

[balmy condor]

the main reason to craft gloves at least atm is because SLG shoulders are higher ilvl

so if you haven't had box luck

it's not unreasonable to assume that shoulder slot is taken care of

[stoic needle]

Imagine clearing slg mythic

[balmy condor]

I mean even for heroic raiders

if you're getting 213 gear every week

but 220 shoulders

that's still a gain

[stoic needle]

True

[balmy condor]

let me compare on a bis sim

without 233 shoulders

[raw tusk]

i made a zold a while back but never upgraded it should i still upgrade it or make doom/dashing

[balmy condor]

it wanted shoulders

but then put 3 different shoulder combinations and 2 different glove combinations within margin of error

truly the toss-up of our lifetime

[balmy condor]

are you playing sin in keys or aoe fights in general

the issue with sin lego recommendations basically boils down to this:

1. for execute, you'd use zold
2. as an overall for everything, you'd use MA
3. as an overall in pve, you'd use MA or zold (probably zold for execute niche)
4. in single target with no need for execute, you'd use doomblade (but it's bugged, so dashing is fine)
5. In cleave/aoe you'd use MA/Zold again

so if you're only playing sin on single target, you'd craft a doomblade probably

if you're playing sin overall, you'd want MA/Zold, and doomblade

[raw tusk]

okay ive got a 235 MA right now so id be using that in keys should i make a doom or upgrade zold for raids?

im outlaw main right now but like bouncing specs

[balmy condor]

if you have a 235 MA I wouldn't bother with Zold personally outside of sire prog

sire, and altimor I guess, are the 2 raid fights where you'd really want zoldyck

but m+ you're fine with MA

single target in general, MA is comparable or better than zold

[violet wasp]

Any 9.0.5 venthyr soulbind can be better than Korayn for m+?

[raw tusk]

ma is really good in st? thought it would lose a lot of value out of its window

[balmy condor]

don't know until people have actually played with it

sim wise, seems like theotar is bumpin pretty hard

[balmy condor]

yeah it's quite good

[elfin valley]

wait so is it never worth it to have dashing? (if doomblade wasnt bugged)

@balmy condor

[violet wasp]

nobody sim aoe in ptr? i dont know how to do

[balmy condor]

if the bug gets fixed, you wouldn't ever use dashing, no

[elfin valley]

F

i built dashing a few weeks ago based on sims and shit :/

[balmy condor]

I can do some later, but we were waiting on some APL changes and implementation from PTR to make some actual statements

these things don't just appear out of thin air when new patches are announced ya know :P

[raw tusk]

@balmy condor im surprised to hear that lol i figured without any kind of Vanish cdr it wouldnt be good st

[balmy condor]

oh it gets stomped by doom/dashing, so it's not really worth

but compared to zoldyck it's fine

zoldyck also gets stomped

[raw tusk]

oo okay lol okay so i should make doom incase the dash bug gets fixed?

[violet wasp]

sure i know, we will be waiting for you all grateful here then xD

[balmy condor]

other way around, doom is bugged, dashing is not, but I would probably suggest just waiting for now, and then probably crafting a doomblade

[elfin valley]

on a fight such as sludge, wouldnt MA be the best to go with due to the burst windows lining up with 2 pillars?

[balmy condor]

just don't come kicking and screaming when it doesn't get fixed :P

[balmy condor]

There’s an argument to be made for that, yeah

[raw tusk]

ahh lol okay well im prob just gonna use it in keys for now to get a feel for the spec so ma will work for now

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s fine

[elfin valley]

We are currently on council prog so im just trying to figure out the best move Lego wise going forward. Currently i have a 235 Dashing and some 190s

[balmy condor]

Then dashing most likely

[elfin valley]

many thanks

[balmy condor]

(Just cause the raw stats)

And just generally speaking dashing isn’t bad by any means

Sin has 4 legendaries that all have use, doom/dashing/ma/zold

The first two being single target, the last 2 being aoe/cleave

And things like execute on sire with zold

And sludge pillars with ma

[elfin valley]

Sorry if my previous msg wasmisleading, im able to upgrade one of them to a 235 this coming week, ig what im asking is which should i upgrade for upcoming fights (sludge, generals, sire) Zold?

or is it kinda a shit show no matter what i pick

[untold coyote]

his above answer answers that, it depends, in your example MA for sludge, zold for sire, generals probably zold (not sure)

[balmy condor]

I would say zold in that case

The execute on last pillar for sludge prog can be nice

[raw tusk]

thanks for the help @balmy condor appreciate it

[balmy condor]

Especially when he’s beating the shit out of your tanks

And healers are struggling etc

Definitely not bad to have

Zold would be the play on slg for cleave damage and also some extra add execute

And on sire zold is absolutely the play for p3 damage

[balmy condor]

Np

[elfin valley]

thanks for the help @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

Gotchu homie

[stoic needle]

Probably not

Theotar will sim well but in practice it'll be annoying as hell to use if your tank kites even a little bit. It will work fine, but I highly doubt it will be better than korayn

[tacit forum]

P3 extra bleeding/poison dmg is massive while soaking

Just give us the ability to wear 2 legos blizzard pls

[wide ridge]

should I hold shiv for 10s so it lines up with sepsis?

or use it on cd

[balmy condor]

on cd

[obsidian aurora]

With changes to sin, will it be better then sub?

[balmy condor]

yes

[stoic needle]

[manic harness]

It arguably is better already

[fathom moat]

What about for mythic+? I dislike Outlaw and want to avoid it for as long as possible.

[stoic needle]

It's 10% worse than outlaw

But fine for anything up to 15s or so in pugs, some people push higher with it in groups

[fathom moat]

As long as I'm not gimping my group. I run with my guild so I'd be able to take survival if I really wanted.

[stoic needle]

Yeah in that case have a blast

I feel like it's not gimping until you're pushing really high keys where everyone needs to do the maximum dps possible

[teal bloom]

What is considered good dps in M+? I just did 4.4k in NW+12, haven't noticed before that details tells it after dungeon

[balmy condor]

what ilvl?

[teal bloom]

211

[gray fjord]

NW is kinda skewed if you're running MA/weapon duty. ^^;

[teal bloom]

Didn't use weapons or have MA

[balmy condor]

yeah seems a little low though even without weapon duty

wait what

[stoic needle]

Your dps directly scales with key level

[balmy condor]

you didn't use weapons AT ALL

[stoic needle]

Bro whispyr

[tender fjord]

Is there an overview somewhere of the ptr sims that is publicly available?

[stoic needle]

These pugs are SCHEMING

They steal the weapons every chance they can get

[balmy condor]

if you go to the pins, there's a link to mystlers sims

[stoic needle]

I had a mage burn his blink just so he could steal the orb from me

[balmy condor]

that hurts man

[teal bloom]

I am a good boy and let other people use weapons

XD

[stoic needle]

I was like 'yo I have ma let me use weapons'

They still took them

[balmy condor]

I did 9.8k with weapons on a 14 NW a couple days ago

[gray fjord]

Dayum xD

[plain jewel]

hey guys. for M+ im running the lethal poisons conduit. should i take master poisoner for the synergy. or is elaborate planning still better

[teal bloom]

Still did more damage than Fire mage and Balance druid

[tender fjord]

mvp, ty 🙂

[gray fjord]

I think my best was like 8.2k overall, tbh. We don't go crazy with our Orb drops though

[stoic needle]

I need to get in a good nw run before they nerf it

[balmy condor]

MP sucks

[stoic needle]

EP is still better

[plain jewel]

kk. i had it by accident in one dungeon and still pulled decent in AoE. just got wrecked on boss fights

[tender fjord]

@balmy condor is see these are all ST sims. Are you aware of any multitarget/aoe/m+ sims?

I'm wondering whether Venthyr also stands out for multi target

[balmy condor]

#assassination message

[tender fjord]

Hahah, oh mb! Don't feel rushed but i'm looking forward to it

i'll be stalling cutting the cord from maldraxxus then for another while

[stoic needle]

It's interesting that you get 10 stacks for free if the enemy dies during the 12sec flag duration

Might be optimal for us because of our lower cp gen to use it on an enemy that we can get 20 stacks on but will also die within 12 seconds

[gray fjord]

That's what felt nice to me on testing, honestly. Assassination can't really dump CP unless you were using MA/FoK spam or something.

[spice spire]

The optimal play is flying to oribos and selecting a REAL covenant

I kid on the venthyr hate. I want it to be good

[stoic needle]

I like to think that my 3+ support feedbacks about how garbage flag was led to this new version

So

You're welcome

[gray fjord]

You also don't need to spend the CP on the same target, as long as you're within like 20-25 ish yards I think. (For those who aren't Venthyr/haven't used the move before)

So that's a plus, you can like drop it on a target that you know will die in time, but can focus on something else too if needed.

[stoic needle]

Are there any good time to die weakauras for retail

[gray fjord]

Not that I'm aware of, but I haven't looked so that doesn't say much. ^^;

[balmy condor]

exrt has one built in

[plain thistle]

dont details have one too?

[balmy condor]

yeah think so

I'm sure there's weakauras

[wide ridge]

guys quick question, does shiv increase burr's dmg?

[stoic needle]

Huh I didn't know that details and exrt had those built in

[gray fjord]

Gut instinct is going to say no because it doesn't affect trinkets which kinda sorta falls in line with non-rogue abilities (like burrs), but I'll test to see just to make sure.

[stoic needle]

No it doesn't sadly

I've tested it, it doesn't

[gray fjord]

Ty Oshoi, I honestly never tried but with the things I've done in the past to try and cheese Shiv I figured it wouldn't. ^^;

[stoic needle]

I'll probably rip someone's TTD wa and make it track my flag target

Well, I guess you don't really need to do that

[meager tinsel]

anyone forseeing assn rogues to be any good in 9.0.5?

[gray fjord]

Magic 8 Ball says: Seems Possible!

But yeah it's looking promising, SeouLiD. We'll see in actual numbers soon but I imagine you'll see a lot more Venthyr, too. (If they don't do any major tuning to the covenant/conduit)

[meager tinsel]

nice

[gray fjord]

Still skeptical of Flagellation in M+ since haste becomes a weaker stat for all 3 specs of rogue, but 30% haste is still 30% haste if you can max it out. xD

[trim zinc]

do u guys dot remornia on denatrhius??

[stoic needle]

I feel like it's still pretty great for sin in m+

Better than the mastery from Niya that's for damn sure

[stoic needle]

As much as possible without getting impaled

[gray fjord]

The more dots(rupture/garrotes) out = more energy and Remornia damage also translates to Sire, so definitely a good idea to when possible.

Unless your tank is a dingus and keeps the sword like 30 yards away. >> That can make it annoying.

[rigid wyvern]

So I got a new UI today and the assa weakauras it came with are laughably terrible

like im pretty sure it was made by someone who never played the spec and was just handed a list a abilities/auras

[stoic needle]

Share a pic

[rigid wyvern]

Like the visuals are great

its mostly the logic

also blind being on the main bar is hilarious

[balmy condor]

[stoic needle]

What is that

[balmy condor]

I was gonna be like

oh blind main bar

this some pvp shit

and then tricks

???

[stoic needle]

Yeah like why tricks lmao

[rigid wyvern]

I mean m+ blind maybe?

You see the best part is

[balmy condor]

no slice

[rigid wyvern]

blind only shows up when you have poison bomb specced

[balmy condor]

huh?

[rigid wyvern]

aw fuck I know there was something else

and there is no support for CT or hidden blades

so if you dont go bomb its just an empty spot

also if you take M4D it replaces shiv

[stoic needle]

[daring pecan]

that's some top-tier WA

[stoic needle]

What in the sam hell

[rigid wyvern]

• no support for empowered garrote and shit

Im also a big fan of the glowing alacrity tracker

[balmy condor]

I'm so confused

[rigid wyvern]

cause you know its so hard to maintain

[stoic needle]

But teeny

[rigid wyvern]

The evenom buff was my addition aswell

[stoic needle]

If alacrity drops off its a 420 dps loss

[gray fjord]

I will say, I still have no clue how to include empowered garrotes on my own WA's. A (mostly) non-issue for me, but yeah haven't figured that one out yet. xD

[stoic needle]

Yeah me either lol

[gray fjord]

I just know if in the first 3 garrotes I do

[rigid wyvern]

I stole Luxthos's Assination logic WA

[gray fjord]

Let them fall off

Ez

[rigid wyvern]

and then copied the custom function for the cd

[gray fjord]

Ah he must've wrote some lua or whatnot to do it.

I looked for a while to see if there was a second ID or something for a subterfuge garrote, never found it. xD Rip

[rigid wyvern]

So i feel like tricks moves down a tier and replace it with SnD to try to fix this ui

ya its some Lua trickery

[keen remnant]

empowered garrote is saved in an associative table ["ID"] = garrote info

[gray fjord]

I know like the tiniest amount due to ArkInventory and macros, but very basic stuff. I need to really work on that. I've wanted to do like a tutorial series on macros pretty bad.

[gray fjord]

@_@ what.

[keen remnant]

so when you tab you still have the information

tab = switch targets

you know lua?

[gray fjord]

Like I said, very very little. ^^; Like enough to write simple macros little.

My programming knowledge is in C#

[keen remnant]

ah lets discuss middle ground

the last time I used auras like this: they store a global variable db, when you cast garrote we insert the id of npc with garrote cast timestamp

when garrote expire you just remove db[id]

[rigid wyvern]

good news, Ive somehow managed to make tricks of the trade into the renown icon

[gray fjord]

I think I see what you mean, then. So with those trackers, there isn't actually an ID of 'empowered' garrote, but rather just it knows the situations where an empowered garrote would occur? @keen remnant

[oblique flare]

you can just change it, by replacing the order with another ability or just removing it and move the icons around as well

[keen remnant]

the only version I used was using custom lua :/ you can simplify to just check if aura stealth was active during the cast of garrote

but this will lack multiple npc support

[gray fjord]

Ah xD No worries, I was just curious is all. Good to know for sure, I think there are probably some ways to make it possible though maybe a little convoluted.

[balmy condor]

my code for empowered garrotes reads the chat log for successful garrote casts during subterfuge/stealth

and saves the target as an ID

whenever that target is selected, the color changes

[gray fjord]

o:

[rigid wyvern]

Whats the pandemic time for SnD?

[balmy condor]

30% of the new dot being applied, like everything else

[rigid wyvern]

need to make it glow when i can press it again

[balmy condor]

changes per cp

[gray fjord]

10.8 if you use a 5 CP SnD I think, but that's awfully specific ^^;

[balmy condor]

I have conditionals set for each CP

[gray fjord]

But that'll trick you

If you use other ones

[rigid wyvern]

so 10~s for 4cp on average i guess

[balmy condor]

personally

[rigid wyvern]

I dont really mind it being not super precise just need a ballpark

[balmy condor]

9 sec should be fine for 4cp

[rigid wyvern]

ty

[wide ridge]

venari has blessed me

[balmy condor]

buying venari conduits

[keen remnant]

@gray fjord I used this one in legion, https://wago.io/HyKnScWMz

[balmy condor]

why

[wide ridge]

cause it's fun

i like gambling

[balmy condor]

oh no new ptr build

[wide ridge]

[keen remnant]

brace yourselfs

[wide ridge]

o no

we nerfed?

we buffed?

[keen remnant]

incoming aura update?

[balmy condor]

nothing class buff

[drifting cloud]

I guess if you do stuff in maw on semi regular basis youre gonna gamble because theres nothing else to spend it on even

[balmy condor]

just random garbage

[wide ridge]

pls my tummy hurts

a

[balmy condor]

but if there's a ptr build

then maybe there's class changes coming

[drifting cloud]

like I just do weeklies thesedays and I still have like 8? sockets or something

[wide ridge]

buff 50's row

[dark hornet]

Crimson Tempest proc venemous wounds

[oblique flare]

CT baseline

[spice spire]

save whysper’s sanity

[dark hornet]

how could you NO VW on crimson tempest 😠

[oblique flare]

too much man

energy overflow

[balmy condor]

because I don't want to fucking cast CT single target

[dark hornet]

then put a single target talent on the row 🙂

[balmy condor]

oh is that the solution

[dark hornet]

maybe 😄

[oblique flare]

Envenom says hi

[spice spire]

Man, my wish is already ded to rights :/

[balmy condor]

"give CT VW"
"but that would break it in single target, we're already drowning in energy in aoe"
"just change the entire row of talents"

[lyric badger]

poison bomb not go to anymore?

[balmy condor]

man

why didn't I just think of that

just change the talents

[dark hornet]

Dunno why I didn't expect to find an asshole the first time I typed something in this discord mb

[rigid wyvern]

realastically I think PB is the issue in the bottom row not CT

I dont mind CT and our aoe as it is

[balmy condor]

suggesting CT gives VW is one of the suggestions people say constantly

and I'm honestly tired of just laughing it off

[hushed sphinx]

PB is the most boring shit man

[lyric badger]

anyone know is there a way to fix or get rid of the blue-ish and yellow and green squares here? They do nothing while in combat or stealthed.

[balmy condor]

delete the wa and start over

[somber bison]

What if CT gives VW ? Brilliant right ?!

[lyric badger]

ok

[balmy condor]

genius

what a well thought out position

[celest ruin]

you guys are thinking it wrong

[balmy condor]

I'm sure nothing bad would happen if we did that

[celest ruin]

what if VW gives CT???

[somber bison]

I do believe we are geting to the root of the problem

[balmy condor]

the question is

what's the problem

[somber bison]

What comes first, the egg or the chicken

[obsidian willow]

!rot

[balmy condor]

a lack of energy in aoe? that's not a problem we have

[lyric badger]

if i wanted to kind of doctor it up to make the icons a little smaller do you know where i would do that?

[balmy condor]

display tab

there's height and width sliders

[obsidian willow]

Anyone have a rotation for m+?

[balmy condor]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[dark hornet]

It would be so hard tho to make it so the venemous wounds caps at a certain number of targets for CT, or only gives 1 energy per target

[balmy condor]

ah now we're getting somewhere

what's the goal with that

[rigid wyvern]

we are making progress

we actually track snd now

[dark hornet]

To make assassination more competitive in m+ for damage to trash. If you do a large pull with an assassination rogue it takes too long to pool energy after using CT if you do it as a first cast, so you have to instead spend combo points getting ruptures up, which does nothing to the trash. Meanwhile the fire mage is blasting the trash, the boomy is blasting, the DH is blasting, the monk is blasting...when has anyone ever been excited to have a mut rogue in their group?

[strange python]

I don’t really agree that ever rogue spec should excel at every activity

[pulsar sluice]

Thing is outlaw has been the only good m+ spec for years

[strange python]

There is no issue with changing from outlaw to sin to sub depending on the situation in my eyes

[celest ruin]

bring back ss and eb and we gucci

[strange python]

Bring back soul capacitor

[pulsar sluice]

I feel like most specs have it all nowadays while sin has to talent into aoe

[strange python]

That’s true but most of the other classes are hybrids and have like one or two dps specs

Just makes sense as a pure dps class that changing spec sometimes to suit a situation makes sense

[dark hornet]

That doesn't mean assassination should be useless in M+

[pulsar sluice]

Yet they are still balanced better, do you not see the trend? As a pure dps class we should be able to pump

[strange python]

It’s not useless at all it does decent.

When you compare it to fire mage boomie dk

[balmy condor]

I get what you're saying, but I think there should be other ways to make that happen. CT's damage won't be enough to compete with any of that, and I don't think it should. If you're looking for more I guess burst aoe, then I think echoing blades would have that niche covered, in place of hidden blades, which is currently never used. Even if you change CT to give energy, you're changing the spec into fok -> ct -> fok -> ct, which resembles sub's aoe rotation. I disagree that it should really boil down to that. On top of that, CT is a bleed, and it does a lot of damage as a bleed. The instant damage is okay, but you'd be just overwriting the bleed part constantly

[strange python]

Well then that’s just an issue with your perspective

[dark hornet]

If by decent you mean the third worst spec

[strange python]

According to what

[dark hornet]

for dungeons anyways

[balmy condor]

I don't think sin is the third worst spec by any means

[strange python]

Not at all

[balmy condor]

it's slightly better than sub

and people bring sub rogues

[strange python]

Potentially low player numbers are skewing your data

[dark hornet]

Isn't there a reason there's low player numbers? it's historically awful in dungeons

[pulsar sluice]

I think dot classes in general are kinda bad in lower keys

You don't start see the big lock pumpers until 15-20+

[balmy condor]

it was quite good in bfa

[somber bison]

Fire mages hunters and boomkins might affect your "player numbers"

[dark hornet]

So I looked at 15's and they're in the middle, but if you go up to look at 16's on wclogs they're bottom 5, 17's theyh're bottom 6, 18 bottom 3, 19 bottom 1, and for overall bottom 3

[balmy condor]

also was pretty good in legion

[somber bison]

and yes , sin was quite good in bfa

[dark hornet]

In legion it was different with Poison bomb

[strange python]

Player. Numbers as In people playing asa in m+

[dark hornet]

Poison bomb did 10x the damage it does now

and it was baseline

[balmy condor]

and in bfa it was different because azerite traits exist

[pulsar sluice]

The garrote azerite carried hard tbh

[balmy condor]

but the claim was that it was historically awful

which hasn't been true for the last 2 expansions

[strange python]

And has been true for one patch

[balmy condor]

also can you link those stats?

[strange python]

Of this xpac

[dark hornet]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/25#bracket=19

[balmy condor]

what is the x axis on that graph

[dark hornet]

"score"

[balmy condor]

okay but how do they calculate that

is it dps

is it key completion

is it like raider.io score?

[somber bison]

is that accurate ?

[balmy condor]

no idea, I've never used m+ statistics in my life, which is why im asking

I would assume it's probably not

[strange python]

Usually it’s the average key level you have completed in time

So that is showing a v low population of assa rogues completing 19 keys

Which is expected as the spec is just not suited to that style of play

[balmy condor]

there's also the fact that outlaw is widely considered better

so if you're a sin rogue pushing

there's a good chance you'll eventually swap

[dark hornet]

Yes I linked to 19 because that's where I stopped scrolling through them, but they're low in all higher keys (15+)

[strange python]

You’re just shopping yourself in the foot as sin is just much better suited

[dark hornet]

they're actually middle in 15 but yea they drop off a cliff

[plain jewel]

thats cuz most people simp hard for outlaw and even sub cuz it was good in raids. but i've seen good players pushing 20's so its definitely doable

[dark hornet]

I've found people saying it has to do with time completed, damage, and affixes for score

[strange python]

Because people who play at that level of keys don’t care about your ideal world where sin can push keys. They just do the math and understand which of the three specs if any are viable at that level and play it

[balmy condor]

okay well Idk where or what that wcl data is supposed to show honestly

but there's any number of reasons why that exists

sin is an underplayed spec atm

outlaw is seen as the cream of the crop for m+

so people play that more

[dark hornet]

Underplayed or not you could simply sim your sin rogues at 5 target, 8 target, etc and see how it's comparing to any other spec you like

[inner granite]

It does undeniably more damage in keys, though I don’t think it’s as far ahead as the community believes

[balmy condor]

I mean just within rogues, sin does better at 5 target

than sub

and it did that before it got buffed 3 times

[dark hornet]

I'm hoping the SnD change helps a lot. I'm picking up my rogue again since bfa and it feels like a dead button in multi target

[balmy condor]

the snd change is going to help single target

might help a little in cleave I guess too

but doesn't do anything in aoe, since we don't cast snd or envenom much in aoe

[dark hornet]

It used to be you get a few ruptures up and just spam envenoms for poison procs on aoe but idk how it is now

SnD would just be an energy regen buff at that point

[balmy condor]

yeah in aoe now we multi-dot with subt garrotes, CT, get a couple ruptures out, and then envenom if there's absolutely nothing else to do

but usually maintaining the ruptures and the multi-dotting gives enough to do

in heavy aoe you can finish with CT if you don't need the energy from garrote/rupture

[inner granite]

OH so you actually don’t SND in AoE?

[balmy condor]

yeah you don't on 6

[oblique flare]

i mean, you don't get the energy reg anymore and you won't AA much

you'll simply dot and spam CTs

[balmy condor]

that's what we do right now though

most of the gain from CT was auto attacks

the energy regen was just a bonus

I doubt any of that will change

[oblique flare]

yeah but there is also a reason to have SnD running if you can before each pull

the energy reg

[balmy condor]

[oblique flare]

hey, 10% is 10%

[balmy condor]

I honestly don't think that 1 energy per second is going to make or break anything

you realize that the 10% energy regen from snd was passive energy regen only right

[oblique flare]

well yeah, it didn't affect or gets affected by haste, but I'm just saying

[inner granite]

How many ruptures do you want out?

3?

[oblique flare]

from a min max point of view, you have snd running, which will be redundant with 9.1 due to not having the energy reg to it anymore

yeah it's minuscule, but why not have it running regardless if you can

[balmy condor]

you rupture everything that will live long enough unless you want to do prio damage, in which case you rupture until you have 5 bleeds out

[balmy condor]

because you're spending CP on slice when it could be something else

[oblique flare]

that's why you do it before pulls with mfd

and mfd targets that are super close to dying

free SnD and refreshed Mfd

[balmy condor]

but you could've used that mfd on something else

[oblique flare]

but yeah, i can see ct being good too with the mfd reset

[balmy condor]

you're still holding onto cp that you could've spent doing something else

the cp doesn't change

it's still cp

[stoic needle]

y'all know M+ parses are a complete meme right

they dont mean anything

literally nothing

according to wcl i'm in the top 500 sin rogues worldwide doing keys and i havent even timed a 15 yet

wcl stats are only based on people who upload logs

[balmy condor]

oh yikes

that's actually awful

I thought they would pull from armory like rio

[stoic needle]

i only use them to see if my garrotte/rupture/ct uptime is good

[oblique flare]

[stoic needle]

they pull the leaderboard scores but they dont mean anything when it comes to dps

how am i 472 world

i'm trash

[oblique flare]

ye, no one plays Sin

feelsgoodtho

[stoic needle]

i mean kinda?

feels like i'm being given a participation trophy

[oblique flare]

but yeah, i just got used to having SnD always running, though I'll try to not care for it during packs and focus on more CTs and Ruptures

[stoic needle]

yeah snd on aoe is a hard habit to break personally

[misty holly]

Just saw the wowhead post summarising the 9.05 rogue changes. Serrated Bone Spike scaling with mastery is exciting!

Do any of the other covenant abilities scale with mastey? Still no for sepsis?

[balmy condor]

no

[misty holly]

That feels like a kind of random decision, but okay

[pulsar sluice]

do people play blindside for m+?

and whats better zold or ma

I feel like i would get more value out of EP

for CT's

[balmy condor]

would rather die tbh

[pulsar sluice]

Ok let me shank ya

shanks

[balmy condor]

you mean blindside me

[pulsar sluice]

yes

[balmy condor]

but no meme, blindside in m+ is hot garbage

wouldn't even consider it

[pulsar sluice]

Rofl i was just freeballing and decided to do a 14 sanguini today with some guildies and wasn't doing that bad

[balmy condor]

zold/ma is a more interesting topic. They sim pretty close, and I haven't noticed much a difference in my 10-15's with guildies personally. Some other people also say they haven't noticed much of a difference

so I would say it's up to preference

[wide ridge]

SnD refresh on envenom CP is Sin only right?

on 9.0.5 that is

[balmy condor]

if you're doing low keys, where shit just dies, then you would play MA

[balmy condor]

yea

[pulsar sluice]

I too have a habit of just popping snd too much in aoe

[balmy condor]

if anything, I would just suggest zold because you don't have to think about it at all, and MA feels a little awkward

[pulsar sluice]

Am i supposed to spam CT

[balmy condor]

usually with keeping ruptures up and maintaining CT, you don't really have much of an issue

[pulsar sluice]

I usually get 3-4 garrotes off then ruptures so 5-6 bleeds

so after one CT i switch to prio dmg

[balmy condor]

as a general rule, you don't ever spam CT unless you're in giga aoe

[pulsar sluice]

whats considered giga

8 ?

[balmy condor]

like 6-7+

[pulsar sluice]

Ok

[balmy condor]

on more than 8, CT won't hit everything

so you'd want to CT, move a little, and CT again to hit the stuff you missed

but yeah

with rupturing everything that lives long enough, maintaining CT, and the 1cp foks you get

it's usually hard to find time to spam CT

and in smaller packs you'd usually vendetta and shiv one target so you're just hitting it with envenoms anyway

[pulsar sluice]

Yeah i feel like my vendetta uptime is horrible

I kept saving it for bosses haha

[balmy condor]

vendetta not being on gcd helps a lot

[pulsar sluice]

how many times do you see yourself using vendetta in one key

[balmy condor]

the way I think about it in aoe is that even if I'm not full pumping into the vendetta target, at least I'm doing extra damage to it

[pulsar sluice]

say SD

[balmy condor]

uh let me pull up a log

[wide ridge]

imagine this being a thing unironically... feels fucking bad man

remove aoe cap 😡

[nocturne hawk]

and spell variance

[late grove]

so apparently dslice is really good for outlaw rogue, is that the same for sin?

[balmy condor]

if you want to get really nerdy with it, CT chooses based on proximity, which means we can bring geometry into this. So on 1-8 targets, you just stand still, a single point. On 9-16 targets, you need to hit everything via 2 casts, so you would move in a line, from one side of the pack, to the other. If you have 17-24 targets, you would move in a triangle, 25-32 you'd move in a square, and each time you'd cast on corner

obviously that's never going to happen

but I'm very bored in life

[wide ridge]

bruh

[balmy condor]

it's fine, yeah

[wide ridge]

funny words

[balmy condor]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YCRQG1qL4NBt82ha/#fight=2&type=damage-done

not my best key

but 14 vendetta casts in 33 minutes

kind of okay

[pulsar sluice]

ya thats pretty good

[nocturne hawk]

➖ 🔺

CT geo

[pulsar sluice]

id have to know what packs to use on it n shit

[balmy condor]

[balmy condor]

comes with practice and key knowledge

[pulsar sluice]

Yeah true

whoops

Im just used to playing arthritislaw and pressing my cds

[balmy condor]

arthritislaw

[pulsar sluice]

btw @balmy condor

Does your plater profile include CT pandemic too

[balmy condor]

it should but I'm honestly not sure

lemme check

lmao does not

should change that

[pulsar sluice]

How would i go about adding it rq :p

[balmy condor]

add crimson tempest to that

[pulsar sluice]

sweet thank you

[dense narwhal]

Do you any of you bounce between the specs at all?

[shy dust]

Yes

there are reasons to play each spec on certain fights

[dense narwhal]

See I love that

[honest silo]

I play assassination for raid, outlaw for keys and pvp as sub

[dense narwhal]

Back in ICC, it was so fun going sin for some fights and combat for others

[honest silo]

so yea it's fun

[dense narwhal]

Last few xpacs, I just ran sin

[shy dust]

There are fights this tier where outlaw is strong, sub is good, and 1 boss where sin has a strong niche

[dense narwhal]

Sin is Mr. Spread cleave sustain

[balmy condor]

atm sin is execute damage

[dense narwhal]

Sub is funnel but also bursty right?

Yeah, vold's

[balmy condor]

sub is a lot less bursty than it used to be

but the funnel is kinda there

[dense narwhal]

Feelsbad

So if you mained sin in raid, but went outlaw for cleave add fights, that make sense?

The bigger the adds, the better sin would do I'd think.

[tacit forum]

Question. Sepsis last tick making you get out of stealth.

Is it a bug?

Or just some of a fucked up design

[balmy condor]

sin is mostly just worse outlaw. We lose on everything except I think 7+ targets? might be 8

[balmy condor]

could be either. The last hit from sepsis has always functioned a little funny

[tacit forum]

Hm... that was something new. I sepsis and stealth on pvp. And last tick revealed me

[dense narwhal]

How does sub fair?

[tacit forum]

😂

[dense narwhal]

As a night fae

[balmy condor]

similar to sin, but weaker cleave, slightly stronger single target

in a couple weeks here when we get 9.0.5, sin will be better single target

[dense narwhal]

And are we still thinking zold

[balmy condor]

zoldyck or ma as an overall, yes

in raw single target, you'd want doomblade

[inner granite]

FoK only at 3+ targets right?

[balmy condor]

4

[inner granite]

WTB shuriken storm FoK

[nocturne hawk]

I mean, I destroy the other rog (law) on Inerva, and he should beat me hands down. But we're also heroic plebs and his parse is pretty trash tbh

[balmy condor]

well then there ya go

[tacit forum]

Poor @balmy condor . Answering the same questions the whole day 24/7

😂

How do you handle it

I would have gone mad already

[nocturne hawk]

Today's been all about fok and CT

[balmy condor]

one question at a time

[dense narwhal]

Are outlaw rogues elitist? Lol

[tacit forum]

Yes

[nocturne hawk]

They are when they roll godmode

[balmy condor]

seems a little weird to paint a whole spec as elitist

[dense narwhal]

I'm kidding lol

[nocturne hawk]

(except boomies)

[tacit forum]

So CT will finally count as a finisher for alacrity 🤯

[balmy condor]

my bad :P get a lot of stupid takes around here

[balmy condor]

yeh finally fixed that bug

[tacit forum]

Damn

The best part of 9.0.5 is not even rogues buffs but watch paladins and monks getting fucked with all the nerfs

You gotta love it

[nocturne hawk]

Find a new rl

[balmy condor]

why would you think that filter evasion is the way to go?

!warn @trim zinc just don't use that language pls

[trim zinc]

sorry;-;

[dense narwhal]

gg

[grand canyon]

I wonder if the changes to Necrolords gets Sin anywhere near NF xD

[balmy condor]

it does not

but all the other changes bring us past sub

so we take that

[grand canyon]

Yea I had heard that

[balmy condor]

looking like venthyr/fae > kyrian > necro

[nocturne hawk]

Seems they're just going the baby steps approach for changes. Slow progress boys

[tacit forum]

Finally pairing with sub. Only prob is that sub is not that great compared to other classes.

Now Assassination and sub can be in the bottom together

[balmy condor]

well the thing is

sub is pairing with sin right now

the buffs in total add to like 3-4% for sin

with doomblade and all that

so we actually pull ahead a fair amount

[tacit forum]

I know. Just sad to see the class rogue this much behind other pure dps classes.

I hope to see some new stuff on 9.1

Maybe new talents etc

[dense narwhal]

I kinda like sin being the purist rogue classs

[eager delta]

so after the doomblade bugs get fixed, do we think that it'll be the go to lego for single target?

[dense narwhal]

It's looking like it

[balmy condor]

yes

[dense narwhal]

Question is, will it beat outlawl

[balmy condor]

on single target, yes

[dense narwhal]

Yayyyy

[eager delta]

i think with another tiers worth of gear yeah, sin scales really well with stats and ilvl

[dense narwhal]

Always does.

[dire violet]

Nah it's abilities still hit like shit.

Auto attack damage is still the highest lol

[balmy condor]

[nocturne hawk]

s word

[balmy condor]

sin scales like dogshit

pls stop spreading that nonsense

[eager delta]

so where does that leave zoldycks? you would play for specific fights or like st with adds maybe?

[balmy condor]

zoldyck remains for execute and sustained cleave

[nocturne hawk]

Long fights like sire

[balmy condor]

things like altimor, and sire, specifically

length doesn't really have anything to do with it

[nocturne hawk]

less you have more time in exe range

[dense narwhal]

Or you can run outlaw lol

[balmy condor]

it's 30%

30% is 30%

[nocturne hawk]

depends on the fight script somewhat

if next raid has adds spawn at 30, gonna have longer in it due to raid dam split

[balmy condor]

sure

[dense narwhal]

Like last boss in eye of Azhara lol

Delicious execute

[frozen karma]

just gotta wait and see what we get in 9.1, don't think we'll get more stuff from 9.0.5

[inner granite]

M+ as sin makes me sad ):

[balmy condor]

why

[dense narwhal]

I loveee m+ as sin

Dem garrotes

[inner granite]

Things just die too quickly for the garrote damage to even matter

Almost seems like on Tyrannical weeks you'd run poison bomb over CT

[balmy condor]

yikes

definitely not

[inner granite]

Hmm, trash dying in my 16 PF before empowered garrotes finishing their full duration beg to differ

[balmy condor]

that's great

[inner granite]

Garrote > Garrote > Garrote > CT and pack is 50% dead

[frozen karma]

just do higher keys

[balmy condor]

I mean, kinda

[dire violet]

Well, to me, it sounds like there are no problems in his group and damage is just fine. Run probably went well.

[balmy condor]

talking about kill times on mobs like it's a +4

not a +16

[inner granite]

Yes we 2 chest, but that's not what im saying here

[balmy condor]

sin isn't a burst class

yes

[inner granite]

Well ST Burst, not aoE burst

ST burst with MA anyways

[balmy condor]

and that's fine

not every spec needs to be able to be good at everything

[dense narwhal]

Sepsis on priority target in m+? Or try and game the CDR on a class that'll die in 5secs

[balmy condor]

priority

[dense narwhal]

So letting it finish is what you want, and the CDR is there as an added bonus in case it dies early

Damn... Do I ditch elemental? Lol

Our mythic guild all of a sudden has 3 shammies and no rogues

[balmy condor]

casting it on cooldown is the main part, yeah

[dense narwhal]

What's your fav spec to play?

From an enjoyment standpoint

[frozen karma]

out of the 3 rogue specs?

[dense narwhal]

Yeah

[balmy condor]

well I'm the sin CF, so I'm gonna say sin

[dense narwhal]

Lol

[frozen karma]

Sin when the energy regen isn't a joke

right now probly outlaw

[dense narwhal]

Outlaw does feel better with the change to RtB

[frozen karma]

but I'm progging on Denathrius as Sin so I'm hanging around the sin channel these days haha

[dense narwhal]

Mythic?

[frozen karma]

yeah

[dense narwhal]

Dope

I like sin for sire

[frozen karma]

haven't reached p3 yet so I'm not enjoying it too much but eventually haha

[faint harness]

Sub=Sin>>>>>>>>>Furylaw

[dense narwhal]

Lolol

[fleet thorn]

Exsand + SBS on PTR

Has that been cataloged yet?

[balmy condor]

cataloged?

[fleet thorn]

its speeding up SBS ticks

[balmy condor]

like as a bug?

[fleet thorn]

So far 2 exsangs

and its faster every time I use it

on a dummy

[balmy condor]

yes, that's a bug

[fleet thorn]

Just thought I should mention it, in case this is new. Anyone try taking that bug to an extreme?

[balmy condor]

yes

there have been people who have lagged out of the game

due to too many ticks

[spice spire]

Yes there are videos posted here by mikihasa where it ticks every 0.1 seconds and yeah game breaking

[late veldt]

Yeah infexius actually made a YouTube video aswell

[balmy condor]

sadly he continues to do that, yes

[fleet thorn]

Oh ok, I havent seen any. I had someone ask me to test it on stream. Thought id be cautious and mention it in case something like that makes it to 9.0.5

[spice spire]

Iirc miki reported when he discovered a bit ago

[fallow otter]

Guys that feeling when you first get to P3 on mslg... It's glorious

All the shit hp and dunking is over

[balmy condor]

would assume if it makes it to live, there will be hell and brimstone from all the boss kills that would be happening

mythic sire? ez sin rogue execute, just stack exsang's all of p2

[fleet thorn]

Oh lord, that sounds so ridiculous that I kinda want to see it in action, even for a moment. Watch people reroll into Assass for them sweet parses and cheese

[balmy condor]

yeah highest I've seen personally before crashing out of the game was around 700k dps

[spice spire]

If that were to make it to live and remain (it should not) would that make Necro lord go from a meh covenant to like the best?

[balmy condor]

nah, would still be trash

you'd have to hang around with rotting flesh and bones and stuff

that's mega garbage

[spice spire]

Smh

Figured Meh soulbinds and a fairly long period of up-time needed for GIGA damage makes it gimmicky and niche for only like slow SLG and sire

[balmy condor]

also guys I'm making a sheet for every mechanic in shadowlands and the defensives that work on it, feel free to contribute your favorite, craziest thing that works here (it's early in atm, so don't worry about duplicate responses or anything like that): https://forms.gle/45CwZYD7fjcXJJPN6

When I say every mechanic, I mean literally every mechanic. Hit me with the janky evasion tech on a random trash mob in de other side, that's what I'm looking for

[obtuse ruin]

whispyr any chance we can get the updated 9.0.5 sims for m+? 😄

[balmy condor]

soon

many projects

and work

and school

:)

I got dragged into keys atm, but I'll do them before bed tonight

[tender fjord]

Did some from the top of my head. Sadly for a lot of things I just press evasion and cloak simultaneously very often to make sure I don’t get hurt 😅. So I’ll have to test those before I can put them in

[balmy condor]

all good thanks for the help

:)

[tender fjord]

I somehow hope that necrolord Marileth will rise to the stars now you can get every essence by just walking over them instead of being limited to corpses near eachother.

But then again, there are no other worthwhile soulbinds in that whole tree 😔

[cosmic trail]

What ilvl would yall say is needed to solo layer 8 as rogue?

[balmy condor]

like 190-195 if you go slow

[cosmic trail]

What does distract scale with?

[stoic needle]

nothing?

or do you mean the distract power?

[cosmic trail]

yea in torg

[stoic needle]

attack power i think

[tender fjord]

The MA legendary 😝

Makes for a very easy run

[cosmic trail]

I have it but I alrdy started my torg run pepehands

and forgot to swap to pve gear before going in

[tender fjord]

Maybe you can change gear when at the vendor? I don’t know for sure tbh

[cosmic trail]

i'll check and see

[tender fjord]

You can also combine it with that power that makes you do extra dmg after cc

[cosmic trail]

true

[stoic needle]

when you get that good good M+ breakdown

sd14

[balmy condor]

why is ct so low

:(

[stoic needle]

wdym so low

[balmy condor]

CT always does more damage than garrote for me

[stoic needle]

weird

garotte is always my top

[subtle tundra]

in low keys garrote is higher, in high keys ct is higher easy as that ^^

in 14 mobs die before or shortly after initial garrotes fall

so their overall damage is high

if you do a fortified 20 you will be doing way more CT damage

[stoic needle]

seems plausible

[balmy condor]

[stoic needle]

i was even using CT on single target so its not like I wasn't using CT enough

[gentle gyro]

i'm going through my keys (all 13~15) and garrote is top damage in all of em

[balmy condor]

maybe I'm the weird one

time to upload a bunch of logs I guess

[stoic needle]

Whispyr not garotting enough?

[fallow otter]

3.8k overall?

[faint harness]

warcraftlogs measure dps a bit differently than details

[balmy condor]

[cosmic trail]

Thanks for the MA tip @tender fjord

[balmy condor]

I guess the two big pulls in ardenweald

more logs needed

[faint harness]

are you meant to have such low uptime on rupture or is it a warcraftlogs problem

[stoic needle]

yeah WCL dps is a lot lower than details because it counts time out of combat i believe

[balmy condor]

WCL counts out of combat

its weird

[fallow otter]

Do you remember what it was overall