So I need zold I can do twisting corridors but do ii have to get to 18
#assassination
marble bear
balmy condor
thats all fairly normal stuff happening
balmy condor
well not quite
but gear will change for people
MA sims higher for some, lower for others
haste sims higher for some, lower for others
you're playing deeper, which will make MA gain more value most likely
turbid frigate
what should i pick with zoldyck?
balmy condor
you also got a 226 leg which the zold would replace, so that doesn't help
turbid frigate
true, ty for the help ^^
celest ruin
i havent seen a sim which has zoldyck higher than ma for st
but then again i only looked at like 6 characters
marble bear
Whats ma
balmy condor
master assassin
marble bear
W b ere fo you get it
balmy condor
i havent seen a sim which has zoldyck higher than ma for st
wat
grizzled owl
Zoldyck is more of a mm+/aoe leg, ain't it ?
gusty kestrel
??
balmy condor
my brain is melting
gusty kestrel
5 seconds in here and I wanna leave
marble bear
The pins say dashing scoundrel is best for st
gusty kestrel
ok?
celest ruin
i keep hearing people saying zold sims higher for st than ma but i cant replicate it even after changing all my gear
marble bear
I have no idea what to make
balmy condor
i keep hearing people saying zold sims higher for st than ma but i cant replicat...
MA is definitely good, but there's for sure sims where zold is higher
gusty kestrel
zoldyck if you actually wanna be useful
balmy condor
actually think the new APL stuff makes MA even better
celest ruin
i just want to trash my ma ring since its verse mastery
balmy condor
but there was a bug in sims that caused envenom to pandemic, when it doesn't in game
and that kinda hurt zold
a fair bit
celest ruin
wait i thought that bug was fixed already
grizzled owl
Is it me or having more energy regen intoour passive rather than in snd will help aoe woth more spamming ?
grizzled owl
Awesome
balmy condor
yeh
marble bear
So make ma?
grizzled owl
take into account that in sim, MA is used perfectly
marble bear
The pins outdated?
grizzled owl
which you may not actually do
celest ruin
no make zold
grizzled owl
so you may have real life result more in favor of zoldyck
balmy condor
The pins outdated?
they are yeh
marble bear
Whispyr what do I do am just smol bab
celest ruin
I think i need to get a better ring
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9Sw7Abwu1D2qbKGShSx7PQ
balmy condor
Whispyr what do I do am just smol bab
what are you trying to do
marble bear
Dps
balmy condor
okay yes but where
marble bear
Make my first legendary
balmy condor
are you only playing sin on sire, in raids, are you only playing sin period?
marble bear
I do a little everything sin only
balmy condor
you pvp as well?
marble bear
A little
balmy condor
craft ma
marble bear
I'm playing catch up
exotic pine
fine to craft master assassin in ring.?
balmy condor
yes
marble bear
In wanna do all the things in ngs raids dungeons some pvp
balmy condor
In wanna do all the things in ngs raids dungeons some pvp
if you're doing pvp on the side, craft zold first, and then wait to see how 0.5 stuff ends up right now
marble bear
What's happening
balmy condor
well in the last like 2 weeks, we've found that envenom doesn't pandemic in game, but does in sims, so that hurt dashing and zold
but dashing also procs off of poison bomb, so yay dashing
and then we had some apl gains go through, which probably helped ma
doom is also bugged to be affected by armor because it's missing a bleed tag in the code
so it's oversimming
on top of that, venthyr seems to be the play, but the conduit for venthyr is kinda crazy strong atm
marble bear
I'm venthir currently
sleek otter
Ok I tested it for pvp and the dmg is actually nutty, in a burst window I did 72.4k dmg in 6 seconds
and flag did 17k dmg
in 6 seconds tf?
balmy condor
yeh
rocky ruin
@balmy condor if envenom not pandemic is it a bug or not?
balmy condor
we assume it's a bug
sleek otter
@celest ruin Nope, only one reduced is Kyrian one
celest ruin
15 denathrius kills as assa but only 3 on slg 
after looking at their profiles, most of them either went outlaw or just got benched
dapper flint
secondary stats prio in 9.0.5 is the same? Haste is king > crit==vers > mastery?
balmy condor
depends entirely on your character and you should always sim yourself
dense walrus
is bis legendary currently dashing scoundrel or zoldyck? And is it feet for scoundrel and legs for zoldyck?
single target
balmy condor
is bis legendary currently dashing scoundrel or zoldyck? And is it feet for scou...
dashing is single target only, feet for scoundrel, legs for zoldyck. Zoldyck would be better for sire
tacit otter
do i use mfd in aoe situations for snd or crimson tempest? whats the play?
gentle gyro
Aoe likely wont last for a 5cp SnD
dense walrus
Thank you, ill go with zoldyck, once i get the legendary out of torghast 
gentle gyro
So CT
balmy condor
do i use mfd in aoe situations for snd or crimson tempest? whats the play?
you mfd on cooldown for whatever you need
if you gar x4 and then CT, you would MFD for rupture in bigger aoe, snd in smaller aoe
tacit otter
i meant in an opener, to clarify my question
balmy condor
if things gonna die instantly like on a low key, you can MFD for another CT for the aoe, or envenom
gentle gyro
keep some CP from the last pack for SnD
gentle gyro
If you can manage it you should tbh
balmy condor
contrary to popular belief, just holding cp at the end of a pack is pretty silly
gentle gyro
Depends on what you do at the end of a pack
tacit otter
can you explain further why?
balmy condor
the common argument is "but but but but my alacrity"
if your alacrity is dropping between packs
you got bigger problems
gentle gyro
Ngl i pay 0 attention to it
mystic surge
if i have a 184 poisoned katar should i use hidden blades in m+
balmy condor
if you're holding onto cp going into the next pack, you are required to snd before the pack
balmy condor
if i have a 184 poisoned katar should i use hidden blades in m+
no
gentle gyro
No
balmy condor
there's no other use for those cp
you don't hold for CT from stealth, cause that's trolling your subterfuge
balmy condor
so the option is either 1. use the cp to envenom at the end of the pack
2. use the cp to snd at the end of the pack
3. hold the cp awkwardly for a couple seconds
gentle gyro
CT all the way
balmy condor
do i use crimson tempest then?
always ct
gentle gyro
Does SnD break stealth?
mystic surge
no
exotic pine
correct me if im wrong but with master assasin lego we now go nightstalker right?
balmy condor
subt
exotic pine
subterfuge ok got it ty
wasnt sure if it was same as legion, havent played ass since
mystic surge
also should i apply ct in ST
balmy condor
wasnt sure if it was same as legion, havent played ass since
yeah problem is that mastery is dogshit now :P
mystic surge
ty
exotic pine
yeah i wasnt exactly certain how that played into everything with haste scaling the bleeds etc now
i remember going nightstalker for fat KS
dapper flint
depends entirely on your character and you should always sim yourself
well i do always sim, i meant about general direction (i.e. i dont think there are outlaw who have mastery simming higher that haste/vers, for example)
balmy condor
as a general guideline, yes
but the BiS set has vers > crit = mast > haste
so again
depends on your character
dapper flint
yeah, i just kinda wanted to start planning for a patch, ty
as im sitting heavily in vers\haste as outlaw currently
gentle gyro
FeelsRogueMan
north basin
FeelsRogueMan
nice addon. name? and my condolences
north basin
hm
gentle gyro
the scores in the groupfinder are a WA i think
gentle gyro
"Dungeon RIO and Class"
can give you an import-string
but you can also just find it on wago.io
stark heart
@balmy condor I tried 
stark heart
it's so far behind
balmy condor
You can line up the haste as much as you want
stark heart
just insane
balmy condor
Give the profile another 40% haste
Still not happening
Give it pi and lust and gear capped haste and line up an IQD and a 1 min sim
Still nothin
Exsang is actually abysmal m
It’s insane how bad the talent is without any bleed borrowed power
stark heart
it's also plays not as smooth
because cooldowns just desync with each other and Shiv certainly doesn't help
balmy condor
Yup
stark heart
but imo without combo with exsang flag isn't really interesting, it's just influx of resources 😦
tropic ocean
if you play it well you can reset mfd multiple times per pack
I'd take it over deeper any day
subtle kiln
<@!167090536602140682> I tried <:pepeHands:633829577457795082>
A for Effort. xang gang still in hibernation. 😞
subtle kiln
just need a xang conduit.
stark heart
is it played in pvp?
north basin
we will get out prime shine time in 9.1 100%
soft shale
but MfD is too good on assa
north basin
some unexpected trinket or combo
stark heart
for MA syncing for some reason gives me fewer Shivs and it drops dps because less poison damage
tacit otter
do you think for 9.0.5 dashing or doomblade will be best for st?
subtle kiln
speculation is fun though. just get Zoldyck and convince the RL that PI should be yours during execute phase.
tacit otter
i already got 235 zoldyck, was just wondering what people speculate
stark heart
I think there will be not one tuning pass on legendaries before 9.1 hits live and potentially even one after it does
subtle kiln
I made DB to mess around with in pvp/pve. Really need to see final tuning keeping in mind this is a half patch and it’ll change again most likely in 9.1
gentle gyro
i soon can open up a collection with these
must be like the 4th i got
wtb more dps
balmy condor
Just get better gear 5head
balmy condor
Imagine having money
balmy condor
True
kindred crescent
celest ruin
will the apl ever change the ambush from sepsis proc
or is the difference that minimal to not even bother
balmy condor
I’ve argued with koji about it multiple times
Cause my profiles show mutilate being very slightly better
And his profiles show ambush being very slightly better
So it’s too much of a tossup to change
celest ruin
dumb question, the ambush from sepsis proc still consumes energy right
balmy condor
Yes
autumn tiger
Will be venth the go to after the Patch? Or still kyrian and night fea?
balmy condor
Venthyr with the overtuned conduit seems to be the play
autumn tiger
Nice :D thank you
cobalt leaf
It will be cool to play it
trim zinc
Venthyr with the overtuned conduit seems to be the play
the one that increases flag dmg??
balmy condor
Yes
trim zinc
u dont have to press it again to do dmg
its use it and after12 it will do dmg ya?(based on cp used on that time)
balmy condor
It’s press button, every combo point spent will do flag damage and increase haste, the haste stays 12 seconds after
So you press. Instant damage + 12 seconds of damage, you get ramping haste, then the haste lasts another 12 seconds for 24 seconds total
spice spire
Oh no. I’m tempted to go to the dark side. Damn
I’m ready to have my heart broken again
cerulean raft
how long does it take if i switch from night fae?
cerulean raft
k thats doable. played subtlety so far but always liked sin better. gonna switch for 9.05 i guess 😄
dense hamlet
if u were venthyr before u have a 2 weekly quests to do
cerulean raft
only on other chars
dense hamlet
yeah that dosent matter u can swap instantly then u just have to do renown stuff
and catch up
trim zinc
Should i wait .5 to change or changing ot now is better??
dense hamlet
i mean its not worth rn
but if u wanna have ur renown ready and stuff u can start it 1 week before
safe fog
flagellation does insane dmg
gentle gyro
man can you stop i just spent 5k anima on an upgrade, I don't wanna switch
why does blizz not let me keep my buildings man
stark heart
They are in another castle covenant
gentle gyro
and I'd have to play through the entire venthyr campaign again for like the 4th time
celest ruin
the real play is to switch to every covenant and get all the cosmetics and mounts
gentle gyro
i have one char dedicated to each covenant
and i already ditched 2 of em because it's too much
celest ruin
do you still get appearances for a different armor type for the covenant?
burnt star
Not sure why we call a conduit change that will increase our damage. And possibly make us better. "Overtuned"
I would call all the other ability conduit undertune
And this one. On the good path to salvation
flint raptor
is korayn with first strike the way to go in tyrannical weeks?
gentle gyro
don't think tyrannical or fortified really change anything
flint raptor
k, thanks
stark heart
Not sure why we call a conduit change that will increase our damage. And possibl...
I'll bite, even tho probably shouldn't
Because it's too powerful compared to other conduits we have rendering choice of what to spot obsolete
rustic kiln
Hi guys, im planning to go assa with 9.0.5 and ive some questions : Could necro be a way to go with the up of Doomblade. Or will Duskwalker become the best leg for assa (1mn cd or less on vendetta sounds great). And on the other hand Venthyr's spell buff seems great as it boosts haste but deals shadow damage that is useless for assa. What do you think ?
burnt star
If u look at class damage balance from top class. Most of the time the reason comes from powerfull combo of conduit/covenant ability
Rogue has almost non of the above. Now with that. We get one. Isnt the solution to fix lower damage to just put our conduit/covenant on par to the power spike others have?
And even with that "overtuned" it doesnt put us that much higher on the chart. Doesnt that somehow show an undertuned of the overal rogue kit?
Thats just a thought.. if they increase every conduit. It wouldnt be ovetuned anymore.
All they did before 9.0.5 was increased aura damage. And clearly that wasnt enough
tacit forum
I can’t see a world w/o soulshape 🥺
limber lion
And even with that "overtuned" it doesnt put us that much higher on the chart. ...
That's actually incorrect because it puts us well ahead the other melee specs. Assassination is the best ST melee spec in PTR currently. It's true that Rogue's conduits are awful (excluding Count of Odds for Outlaw) and nowhere near as important as for other classes, but fact still stands that the Flag conduit is slightly overtuned.
low girder
it's also just way easier to balance around nerfing the outliers than buffing 80% of the conduits in the game
tacit forum
That's actually incorrect because it puts us well ahead the other melee specs. A...
How’s is DS lego doing?
limber lion
How’s is DS lego doing?
At first I thought you meant Deathly Shadows, but you probably mean Dashing Scoundrel. Lol.
It's still a good choice for pure ST but it's currently behind Doomblade by quite a lot. Or at least if they fix the bleed not penetrating armor. Haven't yet figured out if it's intentional or not. Zoldyck still stands as the best overall legendary for most content though.
Here are Mystler's sims if you want a closer look at how each of the covenants/legendaries are simming:
#tc-research message
tacit forum
That’s sad. I’ve spent so much soul trash on legos and specs🥺
limber lion
That’s sad. I’ve spent so much soul trash on legos and specs🥺
Don't worry, there's still plenty of time to do Torghast for your legendary. It takes 2 resets to get a legendary at 190 ilvl, so not too bad.
soft shale
dashing scoundrel may make deeper strat possible in the future we never know but right now doomblade is too ahead
limber lion
I've got Finality at 235 and Celerity at 190 and I don't play neither of those specs anymore.
tacit forum
I've got Finality at 235 and Celerity at 190 and I don't play neither of those s...
Same I’ve got 4 legos
cerulean raft
Here are Mystler's sims if you want a closer look at how each of the covenants/l...
this doesnt even list Zoldyck? is it because its just st?
tacit forum
This is trial and error with all the legendaries. They should refund us and let we try.
limber lion
this doesnt even list Zoldyck? is it because its just st?
Yes, afaik it's 5min Patchwork. So purely ST. Zoldyck gets value out of longer fights (longer execute times) and from having more targets.
limber lion
This is trial and error with all the legendaries. They should refund us and let ...
But it honestly doesn't take too long to get a new legendary. Like 30-40 minutes a week.
And we already know that Doomblade is most likely going to be good, you can start saving up your Soul Ash. You'll have enough Soul Ash to get a 225-235 Doomblade/Zoldyck when the patch drops, if you start saving up now.
cerulean raft
ill definitly do that
tacit forum
Yeah I’m not that behind. I have a r4 sold r2 DS and 3k saved up
wanton reef
So when 9.0.5 hits, which is the go-to legendary for raid and m+ ?
tacit forum
Is just annoying to have some dead legos in my bank
limber lion
So when 9.0.5 hits, which is the go-to legendary for raid and m+ ?
Zoldyck
wanton reef
which can only be obtained in coldheart inst. in Torghast right?
limber lion
If Doomblade gets "fixed", it'll be very much worth it to invest in that for ST.
tacit forum
What do you mean fixed?
limber lion
which can only be obtained in coldheart inst. in Torghast right?
You can get every single Torghast-legendary from the Twisting Corridors.
limber lion
What do you mean fixed?
Normally attacks are weakened by the enemy's armor rating and abilities like Mutilate/Envenom do less damage the more armor the enemy has.
Bleeds function differently and they actually penetrate the enemy's armor.
Doomblade basically applies a dot (a bleed) but it doesn't penetrate the armor like a bleed should do.
tacit forum
Oh, I see.
I wonder if double legendaries come to a reality. We would pair doomblade with bloodfang.
Like another bleed + 5% extra envenom dmg and sustain sounds quite good to me
limber lion
I wonder if double legendaries come to a reality. We would pair doomblade with b...
Most likely would pair it with Zoldyck because AFAIK Zoldyck would increase Doomblade's damage as well during execute.
AFAIK Exsanguinate should speed the tick rate of Doomblade just like it does for Garrote/Rup
tacit forum
Tony toxic blade just buff the initial dmg of shiv or all the dmg in the shiv window?
limber lion
Exsang is pretty bad at the moment but it might get good when we have Zoldy+Doomblade. But then again I doubt it because Alacrity is busted.
limber lion
Tony toxic blade just buff the initial dmg of shiv or all the dmg in the shiv wi...
Just the initial damage of Shiv.
tacit forum
AFAIK Exsanguinate should speed the tick rate of Doomblade just like it does for...
I can see it too, just wondering if the overall dmg during the whole fight could beat the execute phase.
tacit forum
Just the initial damage of Shiv.
Sad
limber lion
Might be a fun legendary in Torghast with 450% more damage from generators on top of the legendary's own effect. One-shotting mobs with Shiv.
tacit forum
True 😂
limber lion
But I wouldn't craft it just for Torghast myself, would love to see someone else do that though.
tacit forum
Don’t look at me lol
jagged flicker
You can get every single Torghast-legendary from the Twisting Corridors.
Do you have to be on layer 3+?
tacit forum
I hate Torghast so much
wanton reef
I hate Torghast so much
same
rustic kiln
If Doomblade get fixed, do you think necro would be a good choice to get +5% ?
jagged flicker
I hate Torghast so much
Same
limber lion
Do you have to be on layer 3+?
Yes.
But you can just zone in and out until you get the layout that drops your legendary, then rush to boss on floor 6 and then dib out.
limber lion
Yuck. Aren’t layer 1 and 2 like an hour each?
Yeah something like that.
jagged flicker
Damn. I’m hoping cold heart comes on Tuesday. If not, I’ll have to grind it
limber lion
Damn. I’m hoping cold heart comes on Tuesday. If not, I’ll have to grind it
It's shouldn't be that bad if you put a chill stream/video/movie on the side and casually just run through. But then again I've only done layer 1 and never came back, so what do I know lmao
stark heart
"Arent all the other conduit just undertuned?"
not necessarily because there are several layers of borrowed power out there, each has certain value they are supposed to provide.
you kinda have to have that goal because some of those layers are shared across specs/classes and some are not
jagged flicker
It's shouldn't be that bad if you put a chill stream/video/movie on the side and...
For sure yeah. I think I’ll wait till Tuesday to see if cold heart comes in the rotation
signal grove
So I want to do more sin, but should I stick with dashing scoundrel or zoldycks?
limber lion
So I want to do more sin, but should I stick with dashing scoundrel or zoldycks?
Zoldyck
signal grove
So I’m just kind of curious as to why, I know not everything is universal but looking at bloodmallet, it’s kind of lower than other legos. Is it just the effect that makes it more reliable?
burnt star
That's actually incorrect because it puts us well ahead the other melee specs. A...
We should be ahead of all other melee spec, since we bring nothing to the melee table. thats 1 of the reason why people didnt want rogue on prog.. other melee class could do better while bringing something. if we have no utility buff. we need some candy. thats just normal class balance stuff. im not against being ahead.
subtle kiln
So I’m just kind of curious as to why, I know not everything is universal but lo...
normally on prog fights you’re in a longer execute window. faster kill times it’ll lose value.
bright timber
There’s also a longer non-execute window
signal grove
normally on prog fights you’re in a longer execute window. faster kill times it...
Thanks!
frail fossil
i think even if doomblade sims better, unless it's widely ahead of zoldyck you'll go doomblade instead of zoldyck
subtle kiln
it’ll come down to fight. db packing a good punch right now and still getting scuffed by armor
subtle kiln
having options is (imo) a good thing
frail fossil
yeah def
manic harness
Is there a raid dummy that stays in execute range?
subtle kiln
you can knock down the Org dummies pretty easy
manic harness
Playable, yes
Still slightly behind Outlaw but looking to be superior st in 9.0.5
And useful in other situations due to execute
twin robin
and best leggo and cove for assa in next patch?
manic harness
Still Zoldycks overall, Venthyr looks slightly pref according to fuu
subtle kiln
NF still strong. Venthyr depends on what makes it live
muted violet
Is patch 9.0.5 expected this Tuesday?
quasi ledge
No. More likely to be 2nd or 3rd week of March
slender urchin
Looks like NF more well rounded (Korayn/first strike) and Venthyr edging out for ST
cold rampart
shadowcore or sharpening ?
north basin
garrote on 3 targets will increase my energy gain?
cold rampart
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
tame lake
is burrs better than double potentcy for arena?
or should I go dreamweaver
niyas poisons doesnt seem that useful but I'm not sure
plain thistle
garrote on 3 targets will increase my energy gain?
yes, because of venomous wounds (passive)
jolly python
Zoldycks over doomblade as a legendary for pvp?
dense hamlet
yes
nono
XD
most ppl dont ask for pvp
but go doomblade for pvp or idk Ma maybe
jolly python
ok, ty
vestal wren
whats rps?
dense hamlet
shaman/rog/priest
dense hamlet
https://youtu.be/j0SmFxWT16E
i mean he literally dosent do any other content other than pvp he couldve gotten better gear to play assa but he dosent bother
goes into hes covenant hall once a month almost 
vestal wren
ah s is shaman, thanks
strange python
true
and he bashed assa a month ago for being trash
but then buffs came and so did assa 🤣
gentle gyro
would one play with CT for ST when using Doomblade?
or is that not worth maintaining
stoic needle
It's not better than poison bomb
waxen maple
hey all, I've been playing Sub PvP since shadowlands started and want to get into light raiding / mythics. I doubt I'll be pushing anything top end, just having fun. With that being said... I find Sub really boring in PvE. I don't have the gear or anything for Outlaw, so I'm thinking about doing Assassination. Everything I see online shows it being really sub-par, which might be fine since I don't really care I just want to have fun.
Will it prevent me from getting into groups / light content? anyone running assassination in mythics/raids now?
gentle gyro
i'm running 13s on my sin rogue and i have gotten asked whcih spec like once
also sin can hold its own usually, below meta classes but by no means bad
waxen maple
Awesome, thanks, I love sin the most for PvE so excited to give it a shot
pliant apex
is wowanalyzer functioning now for sin rogue?
void lynx
do yall parse as much as you sim as sin
stoic needle
is wowanalyzer functioning now for sin rogue?
Nope
limber lion
Post a log of your kill here and someone will analyze it for you
But don't fret too much about comparing real dps to simdps. It should be a ball-park estimate for your dps and there's a lot of factors that affect it.
It takes the average dps of thousands of iterations
stoic needle
There are no patchwerk fights this tier so it's not as easy as you'd think to reach your sim dps
If you sim for training dummy and can hit that number on an actual dummy then you're probably doing decent
stoic needle
Go zoldyck first
marble bear
isnt that tower not in the rotation now?
stoic needle
You can enter/exit twisting corridors until you get the coldheart interstitia template and debuff, then the boss will drop the zoldyck memory
marble bear
isnt that 18 floors?
stoic needle
You can get it from one of the first few bosses
I think it has to be layer 3 though
marble bear
i dont think i have the ielvel to solo layer 3
which also means i have to do 36 other floors
stoic needle
You can also just wait until next week. Doomblade has a bug right now, it may or may not get fixed
marble bear
man i dont even like doign the 12 i have to do for weekly
stoic needle
If you check group finder there are torghast groups sometimes, it's dead easy with a tank or healer
marble bear
can trwisting be done in a group?
stoic needle
Yep
sleek sparrow
You don't have to solo all of layer 3
You just have to solo the first 6 floors of layer 3
marble bear
i have to get tehre first and im only like i175 ish?
sleek sparrow
Ah
pulsar sluice
marble bear
if i do twisting corridors on a geared alt
does it carry over?
my mage is 215 so i can proabbaly roll it
royal lantern
if you mean the unlocks, yeha they are
so if you unlocked layer 8 on 1 character, all have it avaible
marble bear
for twsiting corridors?
pliant apex
i dont understand what twisting corridors unlock mean? arent they unlocked anyway as long as you keep clearing levels?
what does the quest precisely 'unlock'?
shy axle
isn`t the doomblade bug just in the sims and it works just fine on ptr?
vestal wren
vice versa
limber lion
whats the bug right now?
Doomblade is supposed to be a bleed and bleeds are supposed to penetrate armor. Doomblade's bleed doesn't currently penetrate armor, so it does less damage than intended.
shy axle
ok thanks for the heads up
wind totem
What does WPS and LP mean in the most recent pin?
signal gulch
potency conduits, well placed steel and lethal poisons
wind totem
thanks
stoic needle
yeyah i makign ma
Why not just wait until Tuesday to get zold?
gentle gyro
assuming bl on third pillar, should I use vendetta on pull or first pillar?
should eb pull, rght?
iron orchid
1st pillar
gentle gyro
i usually only heal that fight fuck me if i know timings
tender fjord
hey all, I've been playing Sub PvP since shadowlands started and want to get int...
Assa outlaw gear is same roughly, barring the mainhand weapon. Outlaw played perfect is way higher overall dps vs assa. ST assa is comparable.
Getting in a m+ group as a rogue is frigging hard (1400rio for context). I only play assa as that is only thing I like playing. But with that rio you are top 100 in the world, and that is saying a lot lol. So to conclude: for having fun until 17’s it’s perfectly fine. Getting higher will be a real challenge and you’ll probably have to compose the group that you’ll be third dps lol
Best DK tank of my realm told me he prefers assa over outlaw in his team because of the garrote silences from stealth and on demand with vanish. So that makes me not feel all too guilty and feel forced into outlaw haha
And there is no way to outdps boomies and fire mages without rerolling anyway
gentle gyro
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
pure niche
hello guys im switching back to rogue
im confused to play which spec
is it true that assassin is best spec after covenant buff ?
balmy condor
In single target yeah
worldly bridge
Is there any chance we could get a buff with 9.1 that would stop make us walking memes ? I mean if u don't want to play Outlaw you are doomed to be low tier dps, even if you go Outlaw you are still most likely not gonna top the charts.
Back to the question : 9.1 balance changes are already known right ? Or rumors I've heard are concerning 9.0.5 ?
pure niche
@balmy condor
balmy condor
Is there any chance we could get a buff with 9.1 that would stop make us walking...
Everything balance is 9.0.5
We have no idea what 9.1 is
balmy condor
so it is useless in mythic +?
Not useless, but outlaw is better
balmy condor
Sin aoe is better than sub, but it’s not great
faint harness
isnt it worse on more than 5 targets
worldly bridge
Sub Aoe on 5/8 feels great to me. Better than Sin, or maybe trash don't live for long enough idk
balmy condor
isnt it worse on more than 5 targets
I believe equal on 5, better on 6
Sub > sin that is
faint harness
fuu said sub beats sin on 8 at least
tender fjord
so it is useless in mythic +?
Lol u literally don’t scroll up at all? 😂
faint harness
none of them have any aoe tho
so its whatever
compared to specs that can actually deal aoe dmg
pure niche
@tender fjord i m new 😄 dont bully me :d
worldly bridge
Would be great to have the make-bleed-faster talent (idk the english for it) be Aoe so Sin could somehow compete in m+
tender fjord
I’m sorry if I came across mean mate, didn’t intend it. Always nice to see someone else trying rogue! But had just written a piece about my personal experience with assa in m+ that might be of use!
worldly bridge
Or poison bomb baseline button to press, like a finisher idk
tender fjord
So just scroll up one page and you’ll see it if you want
pure niche
@tender fjord can i see your exp notes ?
balmy condor
Or poison bomb baseline button to press, like a finisher idk
The common idea Is CT baseline, and then that talent row can add more aoe
pure niche
can u tag me under it i dont like scrol 😄
tender fjord
Assa outlaw gear is same roughly, barring the mainhand weapon. Outlaw played per...
@pure niche
pure niche
ty ty 😄
worldly bridge
The common idea Is CT baseline, and then that talent row can add more aoe
I guess CT is the make them bleed faster talent ? Or poison bomb proc ?
worldly bridge
Oh yeah I see now
limber lion
The common idea Is CT baseline, and then that talent row can add more aoe
Imagine if CT was baseline and you had to maintain it on ST every time. At least now you can dodge the bullet by not talenting into it.
worldly bridge
It feels dumb to not have any finisher for Aoe as Sin if you don't pick CT. What they have done with Sub and black powder is great
balmy condor
Imagine if CT was baseline and you had to maintain it on ST every time. At least...
Buff rupture and envenom pl0x
worldly bridge
Imagine if CT was baseline and you had to maintain it on ST every time. At least...
I wouldn't mind. Especially with cut to the chase to get rid of Snd
You could get great burst imo with the fast bleed talent (can anyone tell me what it is in Eng. pls xd)
balmy condor
Oh shit that reminds me I haven’t checked the single target CT stuff on ptr
tender fjord
The following is all for5 combo points.
Env does 80% AP 1t. CT does 28%AP per target. For 3 targets that would put CT at 86% AP, which is just barely overtaking env.
Taking all of the above in account, do we just spam FoK into CT after our +-5 bleed set up? Gar*4, Rup into spam?
balmy condor
You could get great burst imo with the fast bleed talent (can anyone tell me wha...
Exsang, it’s the worst talent in that row
faint harness
Whispyr do you know if Alacrity is meant to give 2 stacks when playing DS and going to 6 cps?
like a 20% chance to give 2 stacks
tender fjord
The following is all for5 combo points.
Env does 80% AP 1t. CT does 28%AP per ta...
For 4+ targets that is
balmy condor
like a 20% chance to give 2 stacks
Uh.... I’m honestly not sure but that seems jank
limber lion
It feels dumb to not have any finisher for Aoe as Sin if you don't pick CT. What...
BP > CT. CT is really good on higher keys and on mobs that last longer but it lacks instant damage. Should increase its duration by 3-4s and make it so that instead of extending the bleed, every application would do the remaining damage instantly. :--)
faint harness
cus ive been trying alacrity as sub, and it doesnt work on sec tech and it sometimes gives 2 stacks instantly when finishing on 6
balmy condor
For 4+ targets that is
Id have to double check but I believe you spam CT on 6
limber lion
The following is all for5 combo points.
Env does 80% AP 1t. CT does 28%AP per ta...
And that's not taking into account the Envenom-buff that you get.
balmy condor
Also not taking into account the fact that you would be overwriting the bleed on ct
tender fjord
Ye I’m just considering the initial dmg
Overwriting the bleed doesn’t matter for that
tender fjord
And that's not taking into account the Envenom-buff that you get.
Yeah that’s why I wouldn’t do it at 3 targets. 80% ap + poison buff, vs 84% ap is too close I think
limber lion
Yeah that’s why I wouldn’t do it at 3 targets. 80% ap + poison buff, vs 84% ap i...
I would, especially outside of Shiv-windows.
Your CT also benefits from Zoldyck, which you run on M+.
worldly bridge
Hoping for a buff so bad. Makes me real sad to do less dmg than a 60% parsing boomie when I'm doing 80. (The numbers might be wrong but you get the point). Do you think they would bother giving us new mechanics (I don't) or just give us an other flat +5% ability dmg ? Would it change anything ?
limber lion
Hoping for a buff so bad. Makes me real sad to do less dmg than a 60% parsing bo...
We are already doing decent damage and when 9.0.5 drops, we will be the best ST melee spec in the game.
tender fjord
They’d have to nerf boomies and fire mages, else there’s too much specs to buff in multi target
limber lion
The reason a 80 parse is so much farther from a 60 parse on a Boomie is because there's 20 times as many Boomies as there are Assa rogues.
Just checked, it's 56 times as many Boomies compared to Assas on Mythic.
chilly marsh
Hey guys about NW does Nightstalker buffs spear and others items dmg too ?
worldly bridge
Oof that's a lot
limber lion
Hey guys about NW does Nightstalker buffs spear and others items dmg too ?
No clue, @balmy condor do you know?
Haven't seen many people run NS in NW.
chilly marsh
only reason i would use NS is if it does crasy dmg with bracers in NW ^^
limber lion
I doubt it works on spears because they are channeled.
Might work on the hammer though, not 100% sure on that.
worldly bridge
That would make sense to me. But then MA talent would also buff crit without requiring you to get the leggo, to a lesser extent
limber lion
Subterfuge is the go-to talent in M+.
chilly marsh
yes, would only change it for NW because spear orbs are insane dmg
if they get 50% extra dmg is huge
balmy condor
No clue, <@!167090536602140682> do you know?
I don't believe so
tender fjord
Does anyone know whether there is a known issue with the garrote silence? With the iron wire talent you should silence mobs for 9 seconds. But most mobs start casting just a few seconds later already
stoic needle
Ooh the instant damage of ct benefits from zoldyck? I didn't realize that...
tender fjord
Ooh the instant damage of ct benefits from zoldyck? I didn't realize that...
Me neither but can’t imagine why it would
lament mica
wat does bis gear sim for st?
stoic needle
Does anyone know whether there is a known issue with the garrote silence? With t...
Garotte baseline is 3, iron wire adds another 3 for a total of 6
tender fjord
Fml you are correct haha
stoic needle
I also feel like you can get away with spamming ct at less than 6 targets. Like you said at 4+ the damage is competitive with envenom
But idk how you'd sim that
tender fjord
Still never feels as 6 but that might just be me 😅
stoic needle
I'm curious about what the dps bonus of the envenom buff is in aoe
tender fjord
I can’t really sim like that. I usually go to a dummy and eyeball it haha. Only if the difference is staggering I accept an idea but this seems to be a bit close
stoic needle
I just got a great idea for a weakaura
crimson palm
What is best c?ovenant
stoic needle
One that counts the #of garottes and ruptures that are up so you know when to switch to envenom or ct spam
worldly bridge
I've just read latest news in tc-research channel. Do you think we're gonna have to roll venthyr ? I've just finished 235 Zoldyck, wanted to work or Dashing, maybe focus on Doomblade instead or just wait and see how it goes when 9.0.5 actually hit ?
tender fjord
One that counts the #of garottes and ruptures that are up so you know when to sw...
That might be quite useful if we find the right answer to the underlying question
I’d happily give that a place in my ui 😝
tender fjord
What is best c?ovenant
They’re close and changing a bit for 9.0.5. Anything goes imo
stoic needle
crimson palm
You no help
stoic needle
limber lion
Still never feels as 6 but that might just be me 😅
CT is actually huge. In M+ it's around 15-18% of my overall damage (2nd highest) just behind Garrote at 18-22%.
crimson palm
stoic needle
wet tartan
I am seeing a lot more Assasination rogue in arena
crimson palm
wet tartan
Is it better than sub now days?
crimson palm
Yes
stoic needle
<:peepono:585733916464250880>
In all the time youve spent typing you could've found the answer for yourself
limber lion
They serve different roles. Sub has more control, Assa has more damage. But the people at #pvp know better
chilly marsh
did they fix CT and alacrity on 9.05 ptr ? really anoying it not working
worldly bridge
One that counts the #of garottes and ruptures that are up so you know when to sw...
Please tag me if you make this and you big brains figure a rule for when to envenoms/ct
stoic needle
Will do haha
crimson palm
@balmy condor 
chilly marsh
god bless @limber lion
crimson palm
2:0 so far
worldly bridge
Thx 😁
tender fjord
CT is actually huge. In M+ it's around 15-18% of my overall damage (2nd highest)...
I think i severely misuse it. I usually garrote 4 times, rupture, shiv into mutenv spam, and then very short period of fok CT ‘spam’ before I have to start refreshing my garrotes. How do you approach something like that?
limber lion
One that counts the #of garottes and ruptures that are up so you know when to sw...
I just have a small number on my garrote weak aura that shows how many of those are up and a small one on rupture.
chilly marsh
is it worth to shiv ?
limber lion
I think i severely misuse it. I usually garrote 4 times, rupture, shiv into mute...
You keep CT up on all targets at all times. You don't spam it.
garr > garr > garr > garr > ct should be the opener on 4+ targets.
Then you apply Sepsis/Shiv/Ruptures
Making sure to reapply CT when it's about to drop off.
Especially important when the mobs are closer to execute range.
It's another maintenance buff that you have to keep up. Doesn't really work as an instant-damage ability.
tender fjord
Instant dam for 4 t is higher than env (without shiv) single target tho, so i usually want to spam it
limber lion
I barely have any time to envenom on 4 targets, if any.
worldly bridge
About execute range, is there a way to config Plater to make low hp plates bigger / glowing ? (For mfd resets)
tender fjord
I don’t even take that bleeds in account for spamming
limber lion
Because it's time spent applying garrotes/ruptures and maintaining CT.
limber lion
I don’t even take that bleeds in account for spamming
That's the problem. The instant damage is whatever, the bleed is the thing that actually hurts.
limber lion
About execute range, is there a way to config Plater to make low hp plates bigge...
Should be able to, maybe you can find a script for it on wago.io
tender fjord
That's the problem. The instant damage is whatever, the bleed is the thing that ...
I know mate, but the instant dam is literally higher on 4 t
limber lion
You want to apply bleeds to everything instead of spamming CT/Envenom on anything.
tender fjord
So it’s not really “whatever”
limber lion
It is, but it's still lower than the damage you get out of Envenom
I mean
Rupture
If you have time to spam CT/Env, you're doing something wrong
You need to have 4-5 bleeds up at all times.
You're starving yourself out of energy if you don't.
https://gyazo.com/cb1f372aeb571320ec490c2d2bbd2f20?token=605845d4c86423dbbe223310220836a3
here's my damage breakdown from a SD+16 that I just did
tender fjord
After opening up you have 4/5 bleeds running, that’s the short window I’m wondering whether it’s worth it to spam
limber lion
Notice how Envenom is #9 in damage
limber lion
After opening up you have 4/5 bleeds running, that’s the short window I’m wonder...
You can get one or two finishers in before you have to start reapplying.
After applying all dots, the earlier dots you applied already start to drop down to pandemic range.
tender fjord
Can only get 1 garrote off every 6 seconds
Ruptures I like to go for 4cp minimum or mob life estimate
limber lion
Yes, you can pretty much have 2 garrotes up at all times + 2-3 ruptures.
stoic needle
There's definitely time to fit in a finisher or two once you have 5 bleeds going
tender fjord
Yes but that gives plenty of time to use other gcds
limber lion
The time you spend generating and applying ruptures takes so long that you don't have time to spam CT/Env
stoic needle
The question is whether it's worth it to use ct or envenom in those
limber lion
Yeah, you can get in 1-2 finishers for sure. But spamming is not an option whatsoever.
On 6 targets it can and will be.
stoic needle
I feel like it could be less than 6 targets
That's what we're trying to evaluate
What the dps bonus of the envenom buff is and etc
limber lion
No we're not anymore.
tender fjord
I’ll sit down tomorrow and do some basic dummy testing and a bit of math haha. If someone is more apt with simming and willing to share their results in the meantime I’m up for it
limber lion
And the answer is no, it's not worth it to spam in under 6 targets.
stoic needle
What's the logic behind that
limber lion
The results are already up and the fact is that it's not worth it to spam CT on 3-4 targets.
That's what the sim tells us and we're the slaves of the simulations.
tender fjord
After 4 garrotes your shortest runs for 12 more seconds I guess? Rupture and you’ll have a bit over 10 seconds to spam am I not correct?
Not exact but just estimating
limber lion
After 4 garrotes your shortest runs for 12 more seconds I guess? Rupture and you...
No. You prio using Sepsis/Shiv as well and after that you can fit in 1 to 2 CT/Env in.
But because you have Shiv up, you get more value out of using Envenom.
So you put one CT up for the bleed and then Envenom.
After your first Envenom, you have to reapply dots.
And in fact you have to reapply usually earlier because the garrotes all drop at the same time (or 3s of each other)
So you'll be energy starved if you don't have extra dots up before they drop.
tender fjord
That earlier reapplication of nonempowered garrotes is also something that’s been haunting me 😂
chilly marsh
ceverion youre using zoldyck or crit leg for tyrannical?
limber lion
Zoldyck for all m+ content.
tender fjord
That earlier reapplication of nonempowered garrotes is also something that’s bee...
Is the energy regen worth the damage loss of the garrotes
limber lion
Is the energy regen worth the damage loss of the garrotes
No, you never reapply non-empowered garrotes on top of empowered ones.
You always let them drop.
tender fjord
And in fact you have to reapply usually earlier because the garrotes all drop at...
Then what is this about?
limber lion
That's why on 3 targets you have to apply Ruptures before-hand on several targets before the garrotes drop.
chilly marsh
im doing mostly 15+ and adds melts too fast...
tender fjord
Aaa
limber lion
3 targets with 3 garrotes + 1 rup. Before the garrotes drop, you want to have 3 ruptures up.
So when the garrotes drop, you can insta-garrote and still have 4 bleeds up.
And that time spent applying ruptures is time not spamming CT/Envenom.
And time much better spent.
chilly marsh
you have time to do that ? many pulls they are already dead
tender fjord
This all is kinda why I like assa over outlaw haha
limber lion
Also on 3 targets it's usually better to Mutilate AFAIK, but you have to be aware that all mobs need to have poisons on them to give you energy.
So ocasionally you have to FOK or change targets to apply poisons.
tender fjord
you have time to do that ? many pulls they are already dead
Coordination with your group is of great value. But when your boomie or fmage is bursting you shouldn’t complain about their dps haha 😝
limber lion
you have time to do that ? many pulls they are already dead
Normally you'd do gar > gar > gar > gar > ct which covers most of the damage that's going to be done in the pull.
I also like to try to end pulls so that I have 3-5 combo points when it ends so I can Slice n Dice out of combat just before the garrote spam
Using SnD on 4+ targets is really meh.
tender fjord
3 targets with 3 garrotes + 1 rup. Before the garrotes drop, you want to have 3 ...
Yeah this is kinda one of my learning points atm. I usually have too much bleeds falling off at the same time
limber lion
Good nameplates and weak auras should help with that.
Honestly just doing a few dungeons where you only focus on keeping bleeds up should help with that.
tender fjord
After opener I usually fok until 2cp rup fok rup fok rup
limber lion
There's usually always one dot that is in pandemic range that needs reapplying.
tacit otter
does anyone have a garrote/rupture wa which tracks how many enemies have dots?
tender fjord
And that means that whenever those run out I am a bit late to the reapplying party
stoic needle
does anyone have a garrote/rupture wa which tracks how many enemies have dots?
I'm gonna make one later this evening I'll @ you
tender fjord
I'm gonna make one later this evening I'll @ you
Can you @ me too?
tacit otter
I'm gonna make one later this evening I'll @ you
thank you very much
stoic needle
@balmy condor what if we got rid of one of the outdated wa packs that show up when you type !wa and put mine in there instead 
limber lion
does anyone have a garrote/rupture wa which tracks how many enemies have dots?
https://wago.io/zHfygb2el tracks all ruptures/garrotes on targets.
tender fjord
https://wago.io/zHfygb2el tracks all ruptures/garrotes on targets.
Holy smokes
How many bleeds you want to keep up before going “infinite” energy? 5?
stoic needle
5-6
limber lion
https://wago.io/KR8pJ9UIc
Here's another one that turns the bars green if they have poisons on them (which is required for Venomous Wounds)
stoic needle
That's clever
limber lion
How many bleeds you want to keep up before going “infinite” energy? 5?
5 bleeds is pretty much "infinite energy" when using FOK. 6 bleeds when using Muti.
That's assuming that you don't have SND up by the way, which you should do on 3 targets.
At least for now, not long now until that gets changed as well.
stoic needle
Yeah I was gonna say I'm interested to see how that changes with the vw buff and cttc
I might start running deeper strat now in m+ because snd isn't as important
tender fjord
That's assuming that you don't have SND up by the way, which you should do on 3 ...
I always try to keep it up and have a few cp for it to keep alacrity rolling before next pack
limber lion
Not sure if we'll see any use for SnD in dungeons outside of single-mob pulls/bosses.
tender fjord
Melee is still a big part of our dmg, think snd will remain quite effective
But big packs no
stoic needle
I mean it's a big part of our damage because of SnD
limber lion
Melee is still a big part of our dmg, think snd will remain quite effective
Yeah like I said in ST, not so much on packs.
stoic needle
Which we need for the 10% energy regen
Without the energy element there's much less reasons to cast snd
limber lion
Melee is pretty Pog and shouldn't be underestimated for sure, it still plays a huge role.
stoic needle
Melee is very unpog
tender fjord
Without the energy element there's much less reasons to cast snd
Imma be so happy when ct finally procs alacrity
One less reason to press snd lol
limber lion
SnD is the worst ability in the game and should be thrown in the same bin that Venom Rush should be thrown to.
Just kidding, it's not the worst.
It's not that bad, it's just very unsatisfying as an Assa.
stoic needle
It's just so backwards to have a dot spec's major damage source be melee attacks
limber lion
Outlaw/Sub get something out of it. Outlaw gets energy, Sub gets CP and energy.
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> what if we got rid of one of the outdated wa packs that sh...
that's a fuu question
stoic needle
Maybe if we had a passive that made our melee hits poison damage then I'd enjoy it more
limber lion
Good night
stoic needle
Gn
strange python
I want wod venemous wounds back
limber lion
I want wod venemous wounds back
What was that like?
regal cape
Wait but instant poison is literally poison damage on your attacks.
In the past poison through autos was much more relevant. Bht bfa brought back the weight of white damage to overall damage.
Tbh bring back Kingsbane and the golden trait for cdr.
Then snd would feel more important:^)
limber lion
<@!502859708504342538> <:POGGIEWOGGIE:698918780822093854>
I'm literally missing SD for KSM. I did a +16 SD a few hours ago and we got to the last boss without any major wipes, but we wiped at 0.4% and depleted the key. I've done 4 SD 15/16's and haven't timed a single one yet :'(( impossibru
balmy condor
sad times
limber lion
I don't get it, why is SD is such a pain ugh
stoic needle
I can't time a DoS to save my life 
brittle frigate
Yo guys ! What do you think about buff for Venthyr spell ? Can be better than Fae ?
brittle frigate
Can be good in MM+ or only raid ?
keen remnant
I should be using crimson this week?
keen remnant
thanks
brittle frigate
It’s better to change now to get faster renow or I’m waiting until patch ?
balmy condor
you'll need renown either way
either you do it now and suck now, or do it later and suck later
faint canopy
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery
high wagon
what talent set up do you guys use for generals
balmy condor
on heroic or mythic
high wagon
heroic
stoic needle
What about ct 
balmy condor
hell nah
stoic needle
high wagon
was gona ask that since theres like always 2 targets lol
balmy condor
yeah
and one of them is immune for half the fight
if your group is hella slow on adds
then MAYBE
stoic needle
That's only in the intermission
high wagon
ya were kinda slow lol but ill just stick to PB i think
stoic needle
But yeah I've been in some slow groups lol
silk wadi
"note: zoldyck is still overall the best choice" -> Is this Pin still valid? Was just wondering because Doomblade seems to be really strong
silk wadi
Ok, since I have not crafted my Assa legendary yet, I guess I’ll wait a bit longer 😉
strange python
@limber lion it did nature damage when it proc’d along with the energy gain
dull fulcrum
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
drifting cosmos
The results are already up and the fact is that it's not worth it to spam CT on ...
Can anyone confirm that? I'd thought CT is w.e in 2T, but definitely relevant on 3-4 T
balmy condor
crimson_tempest,if=spell_targets>=2&remains<2+(spell_targets>=5)&effective_combo_points>=4
that's the line
so ct on 4+ cp when it has 2s remaining on 4 targets, or 3s remaining on 5+
drifting cosmos
So cutoff is like fok, 4targets, wow this changes a lot of things for me
stoic needle
Ok, since I have not crafted my Assa legendary yet, I guess I’ll wait a bit long...
You'll never regret crafting zoldyck
silk wadi
That's probably true - thanks 🙂
balmy condor
So cutoff is like fok, 4targets, wow this changes a lot of things for me
well the point is you would never actually spam CT
at least with current APL
I can test some stuff and see
native lynx
is doomblade gonna be the goto for raids in 9.0.5?
balmy condor
if the bug gets fixed maybe
silk wadi
I am about to create a second rogue, also to test venthyr a bit. Funny that Vulpera seems to be the strongest race currently for Assa 😅 Did not expect that
balmy condor
racials don't matter
hot flume
Hey quick question guys, I'm playing mostly Outlaw and gonna get out my dusty Sin spec for pure single target bosses. Would you advise me to craft Dashing or the Insignia as a legendary ?
Oh it's for mythic raid farming, not progression
balmy condor
if you're only playing it for sire, then zoldyck for sure
if you're just wanting raw single target, go dashing
hot flume
OK thanks
high wagon
u guys bother running CT or EP on sire heroic or we just there for phase 3 pure ST lol
balmy condor
just single target
high wagon
👍🏼
slow marsh
anyone have the best method for gaining catchup renown? or is it just random
daring pecan
LFR is pretty good
balmy condor
spam pvp or dungeons, then speed run the campaign
slow marsh
That's what I was thinking. BGs seem to have the least reliance on cov as rogue and then LFR. Thanks
stoic needle
i don't want to swap until we have a hard date
but then again i'm ahead of most
cant stand even a second more than I have to of current flag
spice spire
Forever tainted
wide bolt
yea waiting till reset before patch and once my raids are done for that week im making the swap
in case of any changes that make venth bad
balmy condor
I swapped :P
balmy condor
meh
all the covenants are really close anyway
if anything gets nerfed, it's the conduit
cinder yoke
main rogue dev apparently has had big covid
balmy condor
and if that gets nerfed, it's kinda whatever
cinder yoke
which lead to so few rogue changes/rogues being garbo currently
balmy condor
main rogue dev apparently has had big covid
source?
wide bolt
id swap but im likely apping and trialing for a mythic guild soon so wanna be at peak blaster performance
cinder yoke
just from people with blizzard contacts, its plenty tinfoily
strange python
OG Venthyr rogue right here
shy dust
main rogue dev apparently has had big covid
Big covid for the past 6 months I doubt
Rogues had very little attention since alpha
cinder yoke
it wouldn't ever be actually disclosed as im 95% sure its against labor laws, so the person themselves would have to over twitter or something
balmy condor
the last real rogue dev we had was sephuz
shy dust
Yes and I’m saying it’s doubtful
cinder yoke
i literally just said it is big tinfoil, just news i heard
balmy condor
is it still news if it's not real
stoic needle
main rogue dev apparently has had big covid
we dont have a rogue dev
nocturne hawk
tacit forum
placid dawn
is it worth it to multidot on council?
balmy condor
only garrote
drifting cosmos
Keep getting aura buff so we can be found in the dps chart 
I stay NF for m+, right?
balmy condor
yeh
drifting cosmos
Assuming first strike is always big
balmy condor
first strike is aight
obsidian willow
does sin beat law in patchwerk now?
balmy condor
in 9.0.5
devout lantern
the best legendary gonna change in 9.0.5?
balmy condor
might be dashing/doom for single target
balmy condor
master assassin
devout lantern
for the content now , Right? for 9.0.5 is doom and?
balmy condor
might be dashing/doom for single target
read this, m+ does not change
devout lantern
can you tell me when this 9.0.5 will come because I just got level 60 and I don't know if I already start venthyr or nf and I don't know if I already start with the 9.0.5 lego
what is the complete name of dashing
devout lantern
do you think i should start as venthyr and with the legendary 9.0.5?
balmy condor
if you'd like
balmy condor
it is not
timber gale
Did my first heroic Nathria as assassin! on my 202 rogue
Got a lot of upgrades and actually didn’t do too poorly considering
devout lantern
so the nf it is? @balmy condor
timber gale
I may have to actually cave and get weakauras to track SnD
And remember to actually put on poison bomb
Do y’all have any tips for using sheet music?
balmy condor
so the nf it is? <@!167090536602140682>
it is not
devout lantern
it is not
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=331580/exacting-preparation
this applys on rogues poisons?
balmy condor
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=331580/exacting-preparation
this applys on rogues ...
poisons are not weapon enchants
devout lantern
but this trait is the bis in 9.0.5 too? this soulbind*
balmy condor
we take nadjia in single target and theotar in aoe
balmy condor
that's because the rest of draven binds are trash
and stuff like duelist from nadjia is really good
devout lantern
hard to find a good to m+
barren inlet
is venthyr bis in 9.0.5? if so, it would be awesome
slow marsh
It's pretty close with NF and obviously haste procs are better for us than mastery
spice spire
Thrillseeker 
devout lantern
oh boy idk what lego is better what convenant gonna be better
and this make me crazy kekw
barren inlet
and here i was, watching a video of dalaran, and hearing him say that venthyr sin rogue is a pretty weird combo
devout lantern
sin?
spice spire
Legendary.
ST: Doomblade (as of 9.0.5)>=dashing Scoundrel > Zoldyck
AOE: Zoldyck
Covenants are all pretty close but iirc on 9.0.5.
NF = Venthyr > kyrian > Necro
balmy condor
I need to clean up pins tbh
spice spire
A lot of changes have happened to this spec/are happening. It’s a bit expected
spice spire
No
spice spire
Even if it does (iirc it does not) it’s still not worth to do damage wise
And it’s fine on huntsman, but I still run PB
stable moss
kk we doing a quick heroic run and was going to try it out but wanted to make thre right spec
EP or blind side
for most bosses
devout lantern
Legendary.
ST: Doomblade (as of 9.0.5)>=dashing Scoundrel > Zoldyck
AOE: Zoldyck...
what is iirc
balmy condor
what is iirc
"if I remember correctly"
stoic needle
and here i was, watching a video of dalaran, and hearing him say that venthyr si...
videos are old and most youtubers don't know shit
limber lion
EP or blind side
Blindside for most. EP is good on Huntsman/Generals/Sun King
But Blindside is fine on those bosses as well, so just play that.
Just make sure to focus the dogs/gargoyle adds when they're in execute-range
barren inlet
videos are old and most youtubers don't know shit
no, no, it's a vid about 9.0.5, uploaded yesterday i believe
stoic needle
hence "most youtubers don't know shit"
dalaran's a pvp guy, he doesn't really know what's up with pve
limber lion
Do y’all have any tips for using sheet music?
We recommend not running Sheet Music if you can avoid it. It's very clunky.
limber lion
dalaran's a pvp guy, he doesn't really know what's up with pve
He's also an Outlaw main, don't think he plays Assa/Sub much/at all.
timber gale
yeah I got a 213 in raid tonight over 200 darkmoon deck / 200 inerva shattered thing
so I feel like it's too big an upgrade not to use?
stoic needle
it's not much of an upgrade at all if you die trying to get all the dancers 😛
devout lantern
macro of tricks in set focus anyone have?
tender fjord
If you Google those first six words you’ll get it
median mango
it's not much of an upgrade at all if you die trying to get all the dancers 😛
I thought after several months I was getting good at using the council trinket but last raid I swapped it for the inerva one (finally) and even though Sims were very close for me, like 10 dps maybe, my overall damage went up so much
It's crazy. 😄
stoic needle
Were you consistently getting all of the dancers?
I wouldn't be surprised if you lose melee uptime while getting the dancers and that makes your damage less than with a fire and forget trinket like sins even if you get them all
stoic needle
I think sins doesn't sim with any other people in the raid using it
Which makes it do even more damage
median mango
I was wondering about that too. Is probably a combination of all these little things
stoic needle
I got one this week too I'm loving it
All I need now is the accursed Phial and my trinket collection will be complete
median mango
Congrats,.
Yeah let's not talk about the 226 vault trinket or weapon game
Only going to get us depressed
stoic needle
Too late
I'm 226/223 weapons at least
And I keep getting weapons but no Phial, and verse mastery gear 
Valor can't come soon enough
median mango
I keep getting belts and boots shoved down my throat lol
Yeah, can't come soon enough. 😄
stoic needle
I have no clue how they thought that the current vault and m+ gearing method was ok
median mango
I don't think anyone knows what they thought. 😅
tender fjord
I’ve seen two weeks of BfA chests which was random AF. Filling up vault slots with sources and ilvl is amazing
median mango
Oh yes, vault feels pretty good
What is pretty bad is only being able to rely on vault for gearing if m+ is your content of choice or s necessity for items like trinkets
topaz saffron
Only thing that could make the vault even better is being able to reroll, at the cost of giving up 1/2 choices. I'm at the point were I only need weapons/trinket
slow marsh
Your options for m+ being limited to the dungeons you ran that week would be nice like how it is for raid. The item pool is limited to bosses cleared
tender fjord
Not doing any other content than m+ is a personal choice tho. Less reward for less loot seems fair. 15’s can be spammed for 210ilvl to fill. No game mode has that
But there are only opinions on this matter so it’s whatever anyone thinks themselves
proud ore
Assassin is giving me the impression of a threat with all the minor tinkering they are doing back and forth on ptr. Thoughts?
proud ore
And I keep getting weapons but no Phial, and verse mastery gear <:angery:4333184...
Save that gear for sub? I gear all 3
stoic needle
Meh I'm not really interested in the other specs
tender fjord
Assassin is giving me the impression of a threat with all the minor tinkering th...
If you like assass it’s gonna be nicer than it is now. And now it’s already fun as long as you don’t mind metawhores complaining about your spec every now and then 😝
proud ore
I don’t notnlike assass I just don’t think it is as good as sub for what I play in game riggt now I’m hoping it turns for the better in those areas and we see diversity I’ve geared all 3 specs
If warriors get the buffs they are getting in pvp I can see sin with its nature damage in doing well
Increase
primal zinc
if i have a 5cp rapture on the target and alacrity is 0 stacks what is the tick rate of rapt at 0 and at 5 stacks (10%)....do i have to let rapt fall to 0 sec and refresh it or the new rapt will be 10% hasted buffed if i refresh at 3 sec for example?
proud ore
If you like assass it’s gonna be nicer than it is now. And now it’s already fun ...
I play 2s, RBG and some keys. I don’t think sin suits me rn
wide bolt
hes asking if rupture updates as you gain alacrity stacks or if he has to reapply it
for the haste bonus to apply
balmy condor
all bonuses are applied dynamically
proud ore
Best way to acquire haste gear is m+? WhT dungeons?
balmy condor
only exception is exsang haste snapshotting
primal zinc
ok ty
balmy condor
Best way to acquire haste gear is m+? WhT dungeons?
use droptimizer to see what would be an upgrade
primal zinc
im greatfull now to yall xD
proud ore
I do use it but it’s a lot of work to do all that with a free account just asking for quick direction
I’m not a mythic 15 olayer
Like.. 5 lol
Seems it’s uh atonement?
Spires
balmy condor
well the quick direction is "haste gear isn't always best gear"
and because haste gear isn't always best gear
telling you to farm stuff
would be trolling you
balmy condor
that's fine
proud ore
I know
But I’m gearing sin lack haste regardless of priority it’s obvious and just asking for a direction
Isn’t this tony toxic blade a huge buff to an already strong ability
Shiv ebnvenem mfd envenem in pvp with poison bomb?
balmy condor
Shiv ebnvenem mfd envenem in pvp with poison bomb?
pretty much yeah
balmy condor
tiny toxic is also dogshit in pvp