assassination

[fleet anchor]

You should get a lot more with the apl change if you make your NF profile MA though, at least in my experience

[limber lion]

Exactly. I enjoy raiding so that's what I do. Don't really enjoy m+/pvp as much.

[stoic needle]

let's goooo

[gusty mirage]

Making us proud

[slow marsh]

Also are you running subt

[spice spire]

Bag = secured

[fleet anchor]

Simming my gear with the NF APL changes, MA is now like almost 1.5% ahead in ST for me compared to Subterfuge.. 👀

[fallow otter]

Yeah I don't use CDs for first commandos, not assigned. I'm on 2nd set but that's where it prog is up to do its least right there haha

[stoic needle]

ofc

[fleet anchor]

All fear the holy bonk

[stoic needle]

the quad subt garotte at the beginning of p2 is huge

[slow marsh]

Good good. Vanish subt is nuts at p2

Yeah

[faint harness]

God damn 50% crit talent

[spice spire]

Quad garrote

[limber lion]

Oh no, I'm a Subterfuge-gamer :'( oh well gotta adapt

[jade coral]

anyone know?

[fleet anchor]

It is not

[stoic needle]

it's uncapped

[spice spire]

It is not

[limber lion]

No

[jade coral]

wow pog

[faint harness]

Uncapped tickles

[fallow otter]

@balmy condor i thought we agreed you two were renaming to Wojiyama and Khispyr

[balmy condor]

Yo I’ll do it if @fleet anchor does

[slow marsh]

I mean it should be though right? But once you add anything that you can double garrote subt wins

[faint harness]

Khispyr

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

[fallow otter]

😍 🥰

Saying Wojiyama in my head makes me smile but I don't know why

[tribal marlin]

Deeper Stratagem also seems to sim better than Vigor for Venthyr on PTr

[fleet anchor]

It's far enough ahead that it's effectively equal in pure 2T. Sepsis is another DoT getting layered into the Vendetta window and with the better Vendetta sync it just gains a lot more from MA.

[slow marsh]

Idk if any of you are into basketball but one of the top reporter's nickname is woj and that's all I can think about

[slow marsh]

Rip

[fleet anchor]

You basically need to be consistently triple-Garroting for Subterfuge to be hands-down better with Sepsis by the looks of it

[tribal marlin]

I always wondered if there is a world where you vanish at low energy and sit in stealth to get 50% crit on dots

for like 3sec

and then open

xD

[fleet anchor]

Have looked at it many many times

And never been a gain 😄

[stoic needle]

sadge

[tribal marlin]

sad 😦

[slow marsh]

Well aren't we all swapping venthyr soon anyways so..... 🤡🤡🤡

[stoic needle]

maybe if SND wasn't a thing it would be

[balmy condor]

Wasn’t a thing in legion either

[spice spire]

I won’t drink the kool-aid, yo fuck vampires

[balmy condor]

And autos were MUCH worse back then

[fallow otter]

Unless you have an orb lol

[stoic needle]

come back to us

you know you want to

[fleet anchor]

Well don't just lose autos

[gusty mirage]

The kool aid tastes good though

[fleet anchor]

Lose poisons

[balmy condor]

Yeah

You lose a lot

[slow marsh]

ONE OF US

[stoic needle]

[spice spire]

[fleet anchor]

It's tricky. I mean it's possible there is some crazy point where it works out but I've never been able to find it lol

[stoic needle]

maybe like giga mastery stacking or something

[tribal marlin]

you'll loose a lot stacking mastery these day

[slow marsh]

Kek what's mastery

[fallow otter]

You tried for purely the duration of the energy cap after spending all?

[tribal marlin]

damn I'm fucking hyped for 9.0.5 xD

[gusty mirage]

The only thing my GV gives me apparently

[fallow otter]

Ie. Very short

[limber lion]

Maybe when you have 3x subterfuge dots up and they're all on execute range - but that would require a second legendary.

So maybe 9.1?

[slow marsh]

Well guess I'll just work on my MA openers then

[fleet anchor]

Have in the past yeah, although can't say I've looked at it super recently

[slow marsh]

If it's that big of a gain ST and even 2 then

[balmy condor]

So koji.... with Ma being equal to subt in dungeonslice

[slow marsh]

Is that only with sepsis though or how will that work with flag

[balmy condor]

Hidden blades + Katar?

Eh?

EH?

EH?

[fleet anchor]

Plz

[fallow otter]

I think you mean woji

[slow marsh]

@woji

[balmy condor]

First strike katar hab

100% crit

[spice spire]

One time

[balmy condor]

Big fok-ing dam

[gusty mirage]

I miss the big foking dam we used to have

[drifting cosmos]

Fok dream come true?!

[slow marsh]

Should I try it in a 15 with guildies tomorrow

[gusty mirage]

Yes. Do it for science

[balmy condor]

I was thinking about nightstalker hb in keys

[slow marsh]

They already carrying my ass anyways may as well try it

[fallow otter]

Am I the only one that doesn't want double legends

[balmy condor]

Unitonically

Liek

Mfd

[slow marsh]

No

[balmy condor]

Mfd int CT from stealth

Is good

[slow marsh]

Run MA leggo with CT mfd?

[balmy condor]

But think about nightstalker into a chunky hb fok

That sounds good

[gusty mirage]

Hm, that’d be interesting to test out

I kinda want to try it now lol

[slow marsh]

Ah na cuz then you waste kora

[fallow otter]

Soundsycraft

[gusty mirage]

I’m kyrian, no waste here sir

[slow marsh]

MA talent with kora with katar

[drifting cosmos]

Would be fun, kinda like Cape DFA sub?

[slow marsh]

Mfd CT into fatty foks

[balmy condor]

The idea was ep ns mfd, with Ma legendary, and you run herbs with katar

[slow marsh]

Ahhh yeah herbs

[gusty mirage]

I can do some owlboy testing for this with hammer of genesis

[slow marsh]

I mean I'll do it for sure for science tomorrow

Just tell me which one

[eternal totem]

hey guys,, should doomblade be made for shoulders or gloves?

[slow marsh]

Shoulder UNLESS you for sure can get slg shoulders then gloves

[eternal totem]

thank you 🙂

[balmy condor]

Doomblade slot is a weird one

[fleet anchor]

Don't blame me if Doomblade ends up being bad if they never fix the armor issue though 😄

[slow marsh]

I think the ilvl difference changes it for sure to gloves but only if you'll get then slg shouldies

[eternal totem]

slg shoulders?

[gusty mirage]

Shoulders from stone legion generals

[eternal totem]

ah yes

has to be mythic tho right?

[stoic needle]

the person who was gonna give me pi left

[slow marsh]

I mean either heroic or mythic both would be maximizing your ilvl

[fleet anchor]

I do think Hidden Blades/Katar/First Strike is up there for combos though

[tribal marlin]

I think they will fix Doomblade armor

[fleet anchor]

But probably not any different than CT

By the looks of it

[balmy condor]

I know it is

[tribal marlin]

it would not make sense to armor armor applied twice

[balmy condor]

Hb Coming back baby

[tribal marlin]

It's more logical to have armor applied once and reduce damage in case it's OP than have a double dip on armor

[fleet anchor]

If you wanna look into the jank APL for it though maybe there's something hiding there 😄

[fallow otter]

213xx23? MA herbs katar lol

[slow marsh]

How long does HB take to stack

[balmy condor]

213xx22 MA herbs katar

[balmy condor]

40

[slow marsh]

That's not bad tbh you can alternate with bust and convoke

[tribal marlin]

I mean

[gusty mirage]

I wish HB would get tweaked

Make it gain stacks quicker or something idk

[slow marsh]

But is it better or worse than just taking CT and mfd CT with MA

[tribal marlin]

I know we're joking and all but don't expect this things to be near close than Combust 😄

[balmy condor]

Probably worse

[slow marsh]

No it won't be close obviously

[stoic needle]

i played MA in a key today and it's actually kinda cool to vanish when you have a full pack of mobs dotted

[balmy condor]

It’s a bit of a meme

[stoic needle]

Big Number

[fallow otter]

Don't worry EB legend coming no doubt

[balmy condor]

But it’s just funny

[stoic needle]

lots of big numbers

[slow marsh]

It's just that you are there for damage in between their cds

So maximizing the damage for the in between pulls is what matters most

[fleet anchor]

I mean maybe with Improved Poisons R2 working on ptr...

[tribal marlin]

If echoing blade were a thing

[fleet anchor]

Mayyyybe

[tribal marlin]

Imagine with First strike + Katar

[spice spire]

DIY Vein ripper

[tribal marlin]

would be huge quad scaling ❤️

[slow marsh]

Cuz they nuke that shit every minute regardless of the damage you do.

[fallow otter]

Exactly

[balmy condor]

I’ll make it a good talent if it’s the last thing I do

[gusty mirage]

It’s hilarious in torghast if you have the power that causes all your bleeds and poisons to instantly finish. Works great with the kyrian cp lotto. I had a 20cp rupture on a mob and vanished

[balmy condor]

I’ll override it to 1 stack every 0.5 seconds if I have to

[fallow otter]

Bf doing some funky double dip also... Imagine the crit double dipping

[fleet anchor]

I think the problem is like.. Garrote DPET is probably higher than even 3T Hidden Blades

Would need to be a big pack for it to win for Nightstalker

[stoic needle]

I wouldnt mind hidden blades being good it's cool

[fleet anchor]

But I dunno

[stoic needle]

what about subterfuge + HB

[slow marsh]

Wait have we tested zold leggo with 223xx33?????

With kora

[stoic needle]

maybe trying to go for the biggest possible FOK isnt the play

[tribal marlin]

in m+ ?

[fallow otter]

The last time I played HB was in pvp group fights and my job was to poison everyone

[tribal marlin]

you mean

[gusty mirage]

I was hoping the talent tree for assa would’ve gotten more love in SL tbh

[slow marsh]

Yes

[spice spire]

Just a non/meme final tier would be Deece. It’s CT or 2% damage exdee

[slow marsh]

This just has me thinking of how to do the most damage on a 45 sec interval

[spice spire]

Hb being viable is nice

[tribal marlin]

I think Assa rogue in dungeon should not try to look like a mage and rather look like a rogue ^^

[balmy condor]

Hb is weird as fuck cause you want it for big aoe, but in big aoe you get 1 big fok and then you’re just spamming

[gusty mirage]

CT needs to be baseline, now that sub has a baseline aoe finisher we need one too

[slow marsh]

Or if CT is gonna be a talent it needs to be much stronger

[stoic needle]

is there any possible way taht it could be good to not spam fok when you have HB

[balmy condor]

CT already crazy

[tribal marlin]

I still don't get it why they didn't change HB to be EB actually

[stoic needle]

to try to get stacks

[tribal marlin]

doesn't make any sense to me

[gusty mirage]

Or at least make the other 2 options not meme level

[fallow otter]

Imagine a legend that gives stacks to HB for something like... Poison crits or something

[slow marsh]

It is but imo numbers could be tweaked

[balmy condor]

Like imo, CT is actually the strongest talent in the entire tree

[fleet anchor]

I mean technically HB value actually doesn't matter when you are using it

[slow marsh]

Is it the strongest because zold or because it's strong

[fleet anchor]

Unless it's a situation where you wouldn't already use it

[balmy condor]

Strong

[fleet anchor]

You gain X damage/sec from HB

For the most part

As a pretty static value

[slow marsh]

K well

[fleet anchor]

Unless you're somehow stacking with something

[slow marsh]

Nobody answered my question about the ultimate m+ meme build

[balmy condor]

Exsang bad

[fallow otter]

Could bring big damage if they added a way to gain stacks faster with a legend tho, more importantly sustained increase

[gusty mirage]

The ultimate meme build has to include venom rush, because god knows why that’s still a talent

[balmy condor]

Like my build is meme enough

Idk how much more meme it can get

[tribal marlin]

reforge Exsg to spread dots to nearby target, use venom rush to create a giga Doomblade dot, spread to all target

xD

[spice spire]

Master poisoner

[gusty mirage]

As meme as my double folly fok spam build I tried in m+ in 8.2

[fallow otter]

My best parse for sin on hivemind is with 2 raden slappers. This was my peak

[gusty mirage]

Twins

[fallow otter]

I giggled the whole time

[gusty mirage]

Using fok as a builder single target on bosses in m+ was so ridiculous

My group was like wtf are you doing?

[limber lion]

Don't bring that up, you'll upset Whispyr

[fallow otter]

And honestly this isn't even a big one you do way bigger

[spice spire]

I really hate this

[gusty mirage]

I respect it

[fallow otter]

Just need that rng

[balmy condor]

Fok single target is a good meme, I just really hate CT single target

That shit makes me angry

[stoic needle]

[fallow otter]

This is one place we differ Khispyr

[balmy condor]

Lowkey actually hoping that cttc gets rid of it

Havent looked into it yet

But god I pray

[slow marsh]

CT ST when @khispyr

[balmy condor]

Right now, that’s why I’m mad

[fallow otter]

Wait, I'm only a fan when we can fuck off PB in favour for CT ST otherwise no... Envenom should do more

[balmy condor]

If you run CT, you cast it over envenom as a maintenance, outside of shiv

[slow marsh]

I thought it had to meet some energy cap + envenom thing first

That's what it was

So shiv down use CT > envenom

[balmy condor]

To maintain yes

Like the logic is similar to rupture

You want to rupture, in pandemic, and not in shiv

That’s basically the ct condition as well

[slow marsh]

Is that only zold or at all times when running ct

[balmy condor]

All but zold makes it like 30 dps

When it’s normally like 20

[slow marsh]

Well that's annoying

[balmy condor]

It’s hanging on by a thread

I’ll stomp it

If we make HB good, we don’t run CT

Problem solved

[slow marsh]

Also LP sims a whole 2 dps more than WPS for slice

For me

[stoic needle]

CT baseline so we can always have to CT on ST

[balmy condor]

Poggggggg

[stoic needle]

how

[slow marsh]

Cuz CT prio over envenom maybe? Paired with FoK spam in slice

Hell if I know though

[balmy condor]

Oh in slice lp is just good cause cleave

[slow marsh]

Yeah I figured

[balmy condor]

Single target would be the weird one

Especially with ct

[slow marsh]

On that note this week is annoying too because enrage

[balmy condor]

Ct lowers envenom uptime, which makes lp worse

But it also doesn’t infringe on shiv windows

So wps actually neutral

In that situation

[slow marsh]

I mean katar is only 10dps down so I might just take that anyways for the aoe

[stoic needle]

yeah i know that lp is good for cleave but WPS usually sims higher for me even in slice

[balmy condor]

How much is hb down

[fallow otter]

That might be my biggest gripe, shiv the new poor mans Tb, while also being soothe

[stoic needle]

its so fucking awkward

[slow marsh]

Let me look

Hb is -139

Not bad actually

[balmy condor]

That’s with katar?

[slow marsh]

Wait I kied

That's with subt

[balmy condor]

That’s fine

[stoic needle]

i dont think sire kill is happening tonight

[balmy condor]

I doubt the APL is as 5head as me with my legendary nightstalker fok secret tech

It’ll probably garrote and then vanish rup or vanish ct

If it has ct as an option

[slow marsh]

K it's simming

Fk I didn't nightstalker xD

Uhhhh

Nightstalker but CT

6363 for me

[balmy condor]

How far is hb behind

[slow marsh]

2.6%

[balmy condor]

Ouch

[slow marsh]

Using subt though

[balmy condor]

Yeah

Not sure if I can fix that

[slow marsh]

4% with nightstalker

[balmy condor]

That’s quite a hurdle

[slow marsh]

That being said

Like I was talking about earlier. Depending on how hard it bursts it still could be very playable

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[slow marsh]

Because if you're running in a premade you're going to alternate cds anyways

So it's not so much about overall, even though it is important

[tribal marlin]

ou

[strange python]

subt is cute

[gentle gyro]

hold on hold on what

@balmy condor CT is better for ST than PB?

[balmy condor]

No

[gentle gyro]

thank god

i thought i was reading something mad

[balmy condor]

CT is used single target if you have it talented

[gentle gyro]

i mean, yeah

it steal has okay-ish damage

i only used it sub 30%

[hollow escarp]

not sure if it's worth on Inerva

[thick lodge]

hows assassin looking on ptr

[limber lion]

I wouldn't use CT on Inerva. A lot of people use MA as well, but I highly recommend Subt because it lines up with 2nd set of adds and 4th (which is execute range, so yay Subt in Execute)

[limber lion]

It's great. Still a lot of bugs and inconsistencies on some things, but overall great.

[limber lion]

At least with my guild we immuned the first set of adds, killed the second and so on.

[hollow escarp]

don't like subt that much and the casting ads die too fast

[limber lion]

Yeah, but it's really good for the big boys.

[hollow escarp]

I hate that I waste a Shiv cd when ads spawn as well

because I dot everything up 😄

[limber lion]

I got a rank 1 log on it 3 weeks ago with Subt and but I lost it just 4 days ago. Haven't killed Inerva since though as we've been extending for 3 weeks now... rip

[limber lion]

Yeah, it's a bit messy at that point for sure.

[hollow escarp]

I just started prog on Inerva, got in a new guild and killed Xymos last night

Xymox is a fun boss to get trialed on 😄

[limber lion]

Inerva's a pretty fun fight! Well, until you get the chain and balls mechanic and someone is half-afk and doesn't do the mechanic right

I like Xymox because it's really patchwork-esque if you don't have to do seeds.

[hollow escarp]

it takes some time until people understand how one person needs to do 2 orbs

[limber lion]

Yeah, it gets a lot better the more you pull it though!

It gets pretty consistent at some point

[hollow escarp]

I'm surprised Inerva is the 5th boss for these guys, others went earlier on it because it's "easier"

[limber lion]

I benched myself from Council because I had a migraine and missed the first day of progress. Kinda glad that I missed it because I dislike the fight, but kinda sad at the same time because we have been extending ever since. I'm gonna kill Sire before Council, which is kind of a meme lol

[limber lion]

It's surprisingly easy honestly! You'll get it down quick, don't worry about it.

Just need to get the ball mechanic down and you gucci.

And remember to do soaks/double soaks

[fallow otter]

well if you push fast enough and get lucky with immunes you barely see adds hahaha

[hollow escarp]

this guild plans to start extending at 6/10 as everybody is 220+

I hope I get the Inerva ring though

[limber lion]

Yeah that's true!

We killed it 3 weeks ago so our dps wasn't the best at that point. Most guilds can probably push the 75% easily nowadays

Idk, I'm out of the loop

[limber lion]

Yeah we did the same. Makes sense honestly but still pretty meh if you miss out on a kill or two.

[hollow escarp]

I don't mind

just hope people don't burnout and stay hungry for progress

council and SLG are not fun bosses imo

Sludge and Sire look like fun

[limber lion]

Yeah, Sludge is very scripted for melee. I enjoyed it. I'm kinda sad that I didn't use a better build on our kill, but whatevers. Getting the kill is priority anyways.

[hollow escarp]

it sucks if you get the kill and never reclear

[tribal marlin]

hm day a week do you have ?

[limber lion]

Yeah, might do a reclear after Sire but with the new patch coming in "soon after 9.0.5" so in late March/April, don't know.

I raid 2 days a week kek

[hollow escarp]

wednesday, thursday, monday

but 2/3 attendance rule

[tribal marlin]

Sire is a very hard dps check boss

Starting extend at 6/10 is maybe not a very good call

you can easily reclear to Council in a hour, then maybe you'll take another one for Council

[hollow escarp]

depends on group gear I guess

[tribal marlin]

and you'll still have 1 days and half for progression on Sludge

well 2 days and half for you since you raid 3

I would rather suggest you guys to take a couple of more reclear while progressing Sludge

[hollow escarp]

yeah, it's not 100% yet

[tribal marlin]

and the extend on SLG

[limber lion]

Yeah, I wish that we had recleared at least once. Oh well, what's done is done.

[tribal marlin]

Like sludge is reclearable easily

[limber lion]

We have a loot sheet made where everyone has to type out what loot they need and I guess not many people need any loot anymore.

[tribal marlin]

meh i'm sure this mcgonagall ring is a big boost for a lot of peeps

up to you guys but 220 ilvl seems low to me to start extending, especially if the goal is only CE

and no specific rank

[hollow escarp]

yeah, it does make sense

[limber lion]

Yep highly agree. If you have any say, I would recommend talking to the officers about it.

[hollow escarp]

well, atm I'm happy I started doing mythic prog again after being stuck 2/10 for a month

[tribal marlin]

We only extended on SLG after the nerf because we had already 250+ pull on it and we knew he was gonna die on Wednesday

[hollow escarp]

and yeah, still trial so not much input

but we'll see

[tribal marlin]

I wonder how hard SLG will be for guild that will start prog after 9.0.5 xD

[limber lion]

Yeah, I specified reasons why we should reclear but officers/rl chose to extend. So here we are. Hopefully everyone's geared enough kek

[hollow escarp]

do you expect to be harder?

[tribal marlin]

Well, WS is going to do significantly less burst damage

so

might be hard to take these comandos down

but they nerfed theim so hard

[drifting cloud]

it will get nerfed in 2 weeks when hof closes

[tribal marlin]

that at the end might be more than enough

[drifting cloud]

again,,

[hollow escarp]

damn, so much bis gear on Council

[limber lion]

We can't even get the shields down currently with 2 hunters and 3 afflis lol

[hollow escarp]

I already bought boe feet though

[limber lion]

[strange python]

Feet

[hollow escarp]

hero damage shows council boots better

well, I don't think I'm swapping off the boe boots. Crit/haste

[limber lion]

Just use Droptimizer on Raidbots :--)

[hollow escarp]

good point

I'm used to doing that once and never look into it again

[limber lion]

Crit/haste boots are

[hollow escarp]

bought them for 130k gold while they are 170k on my realm

somebody needed gold fast

[limber lion]

Yeah. I'm 225.81 ilvl and there's still 6 bosses that I can get an upgrade from lol.

Unlucky.

[limber lion]

Damn nice

[hollow escarp]

I could upgrade some gear if I got 1800 in pvp

but with vers

[limber lion]

At least it's not mastery

[hollow escarp]

I guess

what a surprise, 4 upgrades from sire

[limber lion]

Yup. It's stacked xd

[limber lion]

Compared to Nzoth which dropped 0 items

[hollow escarp]

also why do some classes get weapon on 2nd boss of the tier, and some at the 7th?

I guess we got dagger first boss last tier

[limber lion]

Yeah who knows. Still missing a 226 dagger oh

[fallow otter]

you wouldnt be a fan of what mine looks like

[hollow escarp]

223/200 daggers right now

[limber lion]

But it was bad because Cara dagger was soo stacked

Until of course they added vendors

[hollow escarp]

I got that dagger on my first HC kill

[limber lion]

Damn nice

I killed Cara I think 9 times with bonus rolls before getting it

Got it on my first mythic kill tho, so lucky sometimes :')

[fallow otter]

i killed nzoth like 15 times before i got mythic one

feelsbadman

[limber lion]

Nzoth doesn't drop a dagger? You mean Cara?

[fallow otter]

yeh i like... farm

really really bad luck

was the same for me with bod dagger from that gold dropping boss

flatulence

copulence

whats it called

opulence

lol

[glossy mirage]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[shy axle]

i used all my luck in bod at the opulence first kill, lootet the dagger and coined it. Waited months in EP tho

[north basin]

do we have some WA which tells when to reapply improved garrote and rupture?

[lyric dirge]

Dont know if there is an officially approved one but i got some if you want them

[north basin]

ye link please

[solar hare]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[lyric dirge]

https://wago.io/Iw2MWyNOK for rupt

https://wago.io/7vqLx7Psh for garrote

[north basin]

ty

btw anyone knows how to play with MA leg

what to press during vanish and how to prepare things for this 4sec window

[north basin]

how does it work?

i mean its only uptime of buff.

i didnt see if its glow when need to reapply it when iam empowered

[grizzled owl]

will zoldyck still be the bis for MM+ ?

[lyric dirge]

its uptime

and it computes your actual CPs + remaining time on the dot

If you are in pandemic range, it will glow

with a dotted white border

Eh

I think i misunderstood your question and didnt give u what u needed

Thats my bad

I dont think my pack contains the one that glow when empowered

@north basin https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/notters-rogue-weak-auras-compilation/

Seems like there is one here

Might be in need of an update tho seeing the screenshots

[north basin]

okey tnx

actually i saw ur log ceverion. mind sharing some info &)

iam playing with MA too.

@limber lion

[gentle gyro]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[gentle gyro]

one day I'll understand how sepsis and garrote interact

one day

[limber lion]

@vestal wren
The opener that I was thinking was (tailored for shorter fights):
With EP, NS, MFD, Alacrity, PB talented, Master Assa legendary and double on-use trinkets (Memory and Dreadfire)

MFD 28s prepull
Memory of Past Sins trinket 15s pre pull
SnD 2s pre pull

Open with garrote (for NS)
Vanish when Sepsis>5s, Shiv>5s, CP =>4 and MFD/Dreadfire cooldown=0
Vanish prio: Envenom-Dreadfire Vessel-MFD-Envenom-Muti-Envenom

This way you get maximum value out of Master Assa legendary and running double on-use trinkets. You get 100% crit on three 4-5 CP Envenoms as well as Dreadfire Vessel, which equals to around 200k burst in 4 seconds.

[vestal wren]

you can simply make a sub action list and do that.
mfd 28 sec pre pull is possible in pre combat action

just call the sub action list for the first X gcd's and let the apl continue after that

as mentioned in #subtlety the problem with low fight lengh is that the variation is high, its possible that just using 2 on use can make you already win over somone with only one on-use

[limber lion]

Yeah makes a lot of sense. Cheers, I'll take a look at it.

[limber lion]

Sure. Whenever I play with MA, I try to get maximum value out of the short 4s duration. This would mean that I have garrote, rupture, snd, sepsis and shiv up before using Vanish. I personally also build to 4-5 combo points before vanishing so I can start with Envenom right after using vanish.

[north basin]

can u type ur exact rotation after u press vanish? u make 4-5 cp and ---

[limber lion]

If you're playing trinkets that give instant damage, I would recommend using those in the Master Assa window as well. Later on you have to think yourself if holding the cd is worth it for the next vanish window or if you should just use it on cooldown

[north basin]

i have only 213 memory as on use trinket. it sims almost the same as 200 poison one

[limber lion]

Depends on what talents I use. If I run normal talents (subterfuge, blindside) I go:
Envenom-Muti-Envenom-Muti-Envenom

For the cheese that I used for some kills, I used EP/MFD, which would go:
Envenom-MFD-Envenom-Muti-Envenom

[north basin]

so u dont use garrot or rupture during these 4 sec?

[limber lion]

I would use the memory before vanishing then, because the duration on the trinket is longer than the vanish window. That way you don't have to press as many buttons instantly

No, you only want to use Envenom/Mutilate

[north basin]

kk

[limber lion]

You ALWAYS apply Garrote/Rupture before using Vanish

Or right after the 4s ends

[north basin]

gotcha

and when u use shiv?

on cd or u time it for something else

[limber lion]

Before vanish so you have at least 4s of it left when you vanish

[north basin]

kk

[limber lion]

After that you use it on cd

But so that you have Shiv ready for the next Vanish window

[north basin]

u think on use trinkets win with this build?

[limber lion]

If you use it on CD, it should line up okay.

[north basin]

i mean MA leg

[limber lion]

I think that Dreadfire Vessel specifically gets a lot of value from it, yes.

It's just a lot of instant damage that crits

Dreadfire already sims really high for us.

[north basin]

yep. gotcha

[obtuse ruin]

Ty

[onyx wind]

Would be fun seeing an overall %parse for pure dps classes

Across all specs

[celest ruin]

do you guys pop cds on pull for council? or wait after the first attendant?

[onyx wind]

On pull

[spice spire]

I do on pull. But I’m also a pretty low parser for that fight.

Because after that, what if you get hit with a dark recital? It’s just easier to get the guaranteed chunk in

[onyx wind]

You should always use it on pull

[celest ruin]

also wtf is peen's opener it seems so weird

ambush snd mut gar rup mut

[iron orchid]

We have been saying this here for a long time

peen was at the top at the start of the expac only because he was overgeared

but yeah, his rotation is kinda bad

at least his opener, is not what you should technically do

[celest ruin]

maybe its one of those cheat codes that triggers some bonus crit

[grizzled owl]

is zoldyck simming wrong ?

its almost always inferior in raidbot

[iron orchid]

Inferior to which leggo ?

[grizzled owl]

MA

[iron orchid]

I think that could be due to the stats on your gear, and maybe just ilvl related

But there is not bug currently on sims with zoldyck

[grizzled owl]

okay

thanks !

[tame lake]

Doom blade gang we out here

[grizzled owl]

so, crafted R2 zoldyck for mm+

now I'm going to wait for doomsblade after 9.0.5 launch

[north basin]

do anyone have macro which make sound while snd not up?XD

[tame lake]

Bedsides big dam what do we do utility wise in m+? Stuns? What should I be looking out for

[gentle gyro]

myriad of stuns on high prio targets, aoe stealth, slow poison if required (don't you fucking dare to put that on during sanguine weeks), blind / sap

and my personal favorite, distract

distract is such a cool spell to avoid pats in spires and DoS

also triple silence in every opener on casters is a big W

for this week specifically, we technically have a disenrage but uh, it usually is part of your damage rotation

but one also needs to be realistic and say that rogue doesn't REALLY bring anything other classes cannot provide

except maybe distract which is really niche

but it's not like we're useless either

[tawny iris]

is assa viable in m+ these days? up to +15 keys

[icy crater]

any spec is viable for ksm

[tawny iris]

should i be using dungeon slice for m+ simming?

[iron orchid]

Yeah, it's fine

Just remember that there may be some variations due to dungeon boss and adds mechanics

[north basin]

after outlaw seems like iam playing in glue lake with assa. but surprisingly dps is nice

[faint harness]

How often you press something is usually not a good indicator of dmg

[gentle gyro]

i cannot stand outlaw

[north basin]

its just how brain works. u press more u expect more

xD

[grizzled owl]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[north basin]

did sludge hc with randoms to test rotation. did 50 more dps than fully optimized outlaw

gona try it more. feeling like i do mediocre rotation

[pulsar sluice]

When is 9.0.5 due like 2 weeks?

[icy crater]

sin is simming 500 lower than outlaw for me 😦

[iron orchid]

Blizzard said March, I wouldn't expect it to release until maybe the 17th

16th for NA

[pastel osprey]

is zoldyck > doomblade in 9.0.5?

overall i mean

[iron orchid]

Atm doomblade appears to be better in pure ST on PTR, and maybe viable on two targets i think

but other than that, zoldyck remains really good

[stoic needle]

The difference between doomblade and zoldyck will be enough that you want both

But zoldyck is probably the best first legendary

[pastel osprey]

the thorghast grind never ends :>

[spice spire]

Overall still yes. Doomblade is not going to be the play for mythics and Zoldyck is still very good for ST. But Doomblade definitely outsources

Just have both crafted already EZZZZ

[pastel osprey]

thanks fellow rogues

[stoic needle]

Imagine not having 235 zold and doomblade already

[iron orchid]

I have that 235 MA I crafted for NW and pvp

spoilers, i didn't pvp

[spice spire]

OOF.

[stoic needle]

That's why you don't have a weapon

[pastel osprey]

playing outlaw atm.. as most rogues do.. wanna switch so sin tho

[spice spire]

At least you got some of that sweet necrotic value

RIP in 3 weeks tho lmao

[iron orchid]

235 zold, 235 MA, 210 DS, 210 celerity

let's grind a 235 doomblade

[spice spire]

Jeeez

[stoic needle]

MA is still kinda fun tho if you vanish with a lot of dots up it's a lot of dmg

[spice spire]

235 Doomblade and Zoldyck, 190 MA. Gonna craft a r4 next

[iron orchid]

I'm pretty sure you can do cool stuff in M+, just gotta get used to it

[spice spire]

Just gonna craft r4s going forward

[iron orchid]

I think Zerocool uses MA in high sin keys

iirc

[pastel osprey]

is he streaming ?

[stoic needle]

235 zold, 235 doom, 210 Ma, 210 celery

[iron orchid]

Nah, just checked his raider.io and logs

he uploaded some a few weeks ago

[stoic needle]

If you want to do burst damage for big pulls ma is definitely the way

[iron orchid]

I guess that would mean using MfD

[stoic needle]

Maybe whispyr's stupid HB build has some potential

[stoic needle]

Imagine not using MFD

[spice spire]

[stoic needle]

Wyd fam

[iron orchid]

Yeah, I fear the time it will be meta

gonna have to reset my brain

[stoic needle]

We'll be deeper strat gamers in 9.0.5 too

[iron orchid]

If we go venthyr

[spice spire]

Venthyr kool-aid again

[stoic needle]

[iron orchid]

I'd have prefered a kyrian upgrade, would have helped my M+ team

we have no kyrian 😢

[stoic needle]

When are you gonna quit playing and accept the truth

[spice spire]

Who runs venthyr? Blood DK?

[iron orchid]

yeah

3 NF dps

[spice spire]

Only when I’m seeing those PROGGERS numbers

OOOF.

[stoic needle]

Shaman?

[iron orchid]

Necro sham yup

[stoic needle]

Priest?

[spice spire]

Necro if healer

[stoic needle]

Ah

[spice spire]

On shaman*

Don’t you have a boom? Tell him NF Is garbage and they should go kyrian

[iron orchid]

I'm trying to get all 18s this week

but damn, SD tho

[spice spire]

Yeah, I really hate sanguini. Like, a lot.

[iron orchid]

even with a venthyr, this is a nightmare

[spice spire]

Third boss on fortified? Face roll. Third boss on tyrannical? Fuck

Second boss is also god awful

[iron orchid]

yup

[spice spire]

Then the gauntlet

[iron orchid]

Next week should be easy enough

[stoic needle]

The gauntlet makes me want to kms

[iron orchid]

but last week was hard af

[pastel osprey]

sanguini in sanguini

[stoic needle]

My key is sd13 this week and no one even applies

[iron orchid]

We pushed TOP 18 yesterday

don't have to tell you what i got

[pastel osprey]

got a 15 sanguini, wanna join ? 😄

[stoic needle]

?

[iron orchid]

SD 19

[stoic needle]

Fuck it lets do it. You NA? lol

[stoic needle]

RIP

[pastel osprey]

na eu

[spice spire]

I have a sanguini 13 as well. Luckily we fucking trolled a NW 14. And are doing a sanguini 14 today

[iron orchid]

the moment i said I got SD 19, my healer left the group x)

[stoic needle]

Blizzard needs to get rid of region restrictions

[spice spire]

It’s a guild team of all melee and our Ret pally that OS tanks for the first time. So all melee on quaking is certainly interesting

Our poor offspec boomy that was healing

[stoic needle]

Failed a nw14 last night because the mage kept taking the weapons before I could get to them to pad

[iron orchid]

gonna do a 4boss Heroic raid tonight, and I think I'll stream the keys we do after

[spice spire]

What time boss man? If I can tune in, I shall.

[iron orchid]

I needa put content on the channel

probably around 10:30 pm in France

[spice spire]

If my net stops shitting the bed my content is just inting all content

[iron orchid]

that's 10.30 pm utc+1

[spice spire]

Fantastic. So it’s about 6 hours yeah?

[iron orchid]

5 hours from now

[spice spire]

<

[iron orchid]

I feel like a lot of people here are NA players

[olive burrow]

Is the Doomblade bug getting fixed in 9.0.5 or are they just buffing it?

[iron orchid]

buffing it, bug is still here

[stoic needle]

Did you guys see CT alacrity bug fixed on ptr???

[iron orchid]

yes

[spice spire]

IT IS?! Hell yes

[iron orchid]

And I went on ptr to test it

feels so goddamn better

gonna FoK CT all day

big pulls in DOS

[spice spire]

[stoic needle]

I'm surprised they're actually fixing bugs now

[iron orchid]

To me, those bug fixes sound just like QoL improvement

almost as convenient as adding cttc

[stoic needle]

They are but they'll be small dps boosts as well

I'll never say no to that

[iron orchid]

Yup

[olive burrow]

What about Sepsis Zold? Dei

Sorry asking cause you seemed to know

[stoic needle]

If they fix doomblade and envenom pandemic 📈

[olive burrow]

Envenom Pandemic is like the biggest thing keeping me away atm

[spice spire]

Are you asking if they interact? They do not interact

[iron orchid]

Sepsis Zold will never be a thing imo

[stoic needle]

Sepsis isn't a poison so it will never work with zoldyck

[olive burrow]

even tho Necro bleed does

[spice spire]

Sepsis only interacts with shiv

Did they bug fix exsang yet? Xd

[stoic needle]

Even though sepsis is literally blood poisoning

[pastel osprey]

venthyr all the way in 9.0.5

[stoic needle]

Blame blizzard

[iron orchid]

Sepsis being a nature dot effect but not a poison, there is no interaction

[spice spire]

[olive burrow]

Yeah I figured it'd probably never happen

still

[stoic needle]

Repent for your sins quake

[iron orchid]

adding too much interactions with sin mastery would make the other specs feel worse

[stoic needle]

I mean it SHOULD but blizzard is just whack

They can just buff the other specs in different areas. They shouldn't limit our class fantasy

Venthyr flag should be a bleed too

[spice spire]

Sepsis isn’t poisoning it’s an infection btw 😉

Flag should be a bleed tho

[olive burrow]

I'll probably come back to Sin in 9.0.5

[spice spire]

W

[olive burrow]

Envenom pandemic bug hurts my soul tho as someone who mained sin for so long

[iron orchid]

I think blizzard saw me getting hyped for D4 rogue more than WoW rogue and decided they had to fix shit on sin

[faint harness]

Ya cus sin is the definition of hype in comparison to the d4 rogue

Imagine If the d4 rogue stood completely still and did mut....... mut...... rup...... mut...... mut..... env

Holy shitballs the gameplay

[agile geode]

Same for sub

[faint harness]

Same for any wow spec

[agile geode]

Ahahah

Yeah

[faint harness]

Game is just built differently

I am actually hyped for the d4 rogue tho

[agile geode]

Outlaw is less easy than sub in this exp

[vestal wren]

d4 rogue is by design very similar to wow rogue

[agile geode]

I feel this

[vestal wren]

they could experiment more with rogue in wow

[faint harness]

Yea but d4 seems to be more active and agile

[vestal wren]

but blizz is afraid to fuck things up i assume

[iron orchid]

They even added "find weakness" and combo point systems

[agile geode]

Lel

[faint harness]

Yea its a lot of inspiration from wow rogue

[vestal wren]

rogue seems to me more of a "don't touch it because you might break it" thing

in wow

[faint harness]

Ye

[iron orchid]

Yep

[icy crater]

Hasn't rogue been the most bugged class ever

[faint harness]

Assassination could be so much cooler

[vestal wren]

most bugs are the same

[faint harness]

With actual assassinate abilities, not weak dots

[vestal wren]

those bugs existed in early extensions and just seem to return every other one

[faint harness]

It probably gets little attention

At the office

[vestal wren]

rogue just has 2 things:
#1 a lot of very old spells
#2 a very active tc community thats pulic with information

e.g. a lot of classes had bugs during legion but rogue had everything public asap if we found something

so everyone could exploit it and blizz could fix it

we even did warn people to not abuse certain things if those could lead to a ban

like with protected stealth in pvp

[faint harness]

They usually dont ban for abusing class bugs, do they

[vestal wren]

they would in that case

[icy crater]

Depends

[vestal wren]

because you are untargetable and could kill people in arena

[olive burrow]

Is the Sin opener still putting up a Pandemic Garrote for ST?

[vestal wren]

as mentioned, we would point that out if its relevant

we only had it one time so far

[icy crater]

@vestal wren is there a way to guesstimate if outlaw or sin is more useful on a fight given average down time and sim differences?

I was thinking of going sin on arti prog but its simming quite a bit lower than outlaw

[vestal wren]

assassination can handle downtime better

but keep in mind that outlaw has higher attack range

so overall you can assume that if both sin/outlaw sim equal but the fight has more downtime that sin usually comes out ahead

[icy crater]

Right, I'm struggling weighing the benefit when the downtime is equal but sims are different.

[untold nest]

Are u a seed carrier ?

[icy crater]

We haven't pulled yet so I'm not sure.

[untold nest]

Are u equally comfortable playing both speccs?

[icy crater]

yea

[untold nest]

My PoV, if u are a seed carrier you will have more downtime, so try assa. If you are not, try outlaw

[olive burrow]

Lets not pretend like step and grapple are equal as seed carrier tho

[untold nest]

I mean depends whuch seed u got?

[odd heath]

Grapple is so much better as a seed carrier tho

[untold nest]

Im nf also so never had issue

[odd heath]

I was the first backup for seeds on prog, so I could get any seed lol.. grapple into soulshape while getting pulled

Fun times

[carmine dawn]

trying to learn sin better and getting a little caught up in the rotation specifics.

im being told to ignore trying to rupture everything and just make sure i have 5-6 bleeds up before starting to spam envenom on main target? are low CP ruptures a huge loss?

[balmy condor]

No

Rupture does equal tick damage across all combo points

The only thing that changes is duration

So really as long as you have the energy (which in aoe you do), the only cost is the low cp, and the gcd

Which is better than generating again and then wasting uptime on the rupture if the mob doesn’t live long enough

[tender fjord]

Are there any top20 m+ assa rogues who regularly stream?

[spice spire]

Deï does, and while it’s in French. It’s still a pretty good learning experience

[tender fjord]

Yeah I’d like to catch up on my french whilst learning assa 😂

That’s a win win

[toxic tusk]

le grenouille mange le pomplemousse?

[spice spire]

Errr I shouldn’t say regularly, but semi-regularly. Fantastic. It’s polyvalence_dei iirc

And he will be streaming tonight in about 4 hours now

[balmy condor]

@iron orchid drop the link homeboy mod permission enabled

[spice spire]

yo. Didn’t wanna get fucked by tryna promote the boi. But love to see it

[iron orchid]

I don't match the requirements huh

"regularly"

[spice spire]

Semi-regularly is good enough

[iron orchid]

https://www.twitch.tv/polyvalence_dei/

[tender fjord]

😂😂

Once a week would be enough, luckily you can watch reruns on twitch haha

But in 4hrs means I’ll be putting it on my second screen and won’t be getting top dps on Huntsman for another week 😝

Thanks guys

[carmine dawn]

@balmy condor thank you

so put low CP ruptures on everything after i do the quadruple garrote opener?

i always feel like im refreshing ruptures too often tho? is that just normal? am i ever spamming envenoms in AOE?

[balmy condor]

Not really

[primal gazelle]

are there new assa/legendary sims out yet for 9.05?

[balmy condor]

The logic is rupture > envenom on an equal combo point basis

So a 2cp rupture will do more than a 2cp envenom

If the target lives a full 2cp rupture, we’re vibing

In giga aoe like 5-6+, you’ll spam ct over envenom

[carmine dawn]

right i thought i was going crazy there was no aoe finisher for sin, but thats talented from CT?

[balmy condor]

So really envenom is like “I have to prio this one dude” or “I’m in 2-4 target cleave and it’s not worth rupturing or CTing”

[balmy condor]

Yes

[balmy condor]

There are some in the pins, in #tc-research if you scroll up a little, and I will be redoing some sims over the weekend to account for the APL changes

[pale crow]

Hello,
what is the most opti congregation for rogue assasination to 9.0.5?
Thank you in advance for your feedback

[balmy condor]

Venthyr or fae

[pale crow]

thanks for the quick response :p

and the best legendaries for raid and mm ? 🙂

[balmy condor]

Zoldyck

[pale crow]

Ok I don't understand why he's so low in bloodmallet simulation?

[little basalt]

@balmy condor Koji said yesterday he saw some pretty big D-slice gains with some APL updates to assassination - do you know what those sim numbers are? I'm assuming we're still far away from outlaws numbers but still curious if we're getting close

[balmy condor]

yes because I was half of that logic

[heady rain]

Is the dw change like only good in theory? It seems so good at only 30 energy

[balmy condor]

It’s about 1.5-2%

Doesn’t put us close to outlaw m

But it helps

[little basalt]

All Hail @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

The what change

[little basalt]

Gotcha, I figured as much.

[heady rain]

The Duskwalker's Patch going from 50 energy expend -> 30 energy expend

Does it not actually lead to that much more vendetta uptime in raids?

[balmy condor]

Oh it helps a ton

Sims kinda don’t give the whole picture on that one

But 1 min vendettas

Are pretty sick

For add bursting and that kind of stuff

Sludge pillars

Etc

[heady rain]

My guild is progressing M artificer rn and I was messing around with assa for that fight

[balmy condor]

Yeah I wouldn’t personally craft it for that

Zoldyck or dashing/doomblade just for the damage

[heady rain]

I made the Zoldyck one instead cus the ptr changes aren't live and I didnt wana waste soul ash

[balmy condor]

The power of duskwalker, at least imo, is being able to have that cd phase every minute instead of 2

Not really giga single target

So if you can apply 1 min vendettas to goliaths in slg or pillars in sludge or adds on deny or something

That’s good

[lone lantern]

bring me back to legion

[balmy condor]

But if you’re just slamming 1 target

[lone lantern]

first week of emerald nightmare i got duskwalker drop

[balmy condor]

Not great

[lone lantern]

ran on 30s vendetta for a long time

[olive burrow]

The true power of Duskwalker

[heady rain]

Makes sense that it would be just for when u wanna line up cd with mechanics

[olive burrow]

is you get to ask for 2 PIs

I mean

realistically in a pure ST scenario, if we get tuned up enough there may be a world where Sin gets PI w/ Vendetta

[stoic needle]

Sin is a good pi target right now on live but people don't want to believe it

It will only be even moreso after 9.5

[olive burrow]

Probably pretty decent in P3 Sire tbh w/ Zold

[stoic needle]

It's good in any execute phase

[olive burrow]

I can see it being pretty fat w/ Vendetta in execute, problem is it's you vs the arms warr and idk how good PI+Avatar is

[stoic needle]

If you arent PI a warrior, sin or unholy on the last pi of the fight you're kinda wasting it quite frankly

Sin arms and unholy are top 3

I forget which is actually best right now I'd have to resim it

[plush umbra]

It would seem assa is getting really really better with 9.0.5, possibly the highest simming rogue spec, is that just a sim thing ? kind of new to that

[balmy condor]

Not quite

It’s gonna be good in general

Sort of expected when you get buffed 3 times, and then 905 is another buff, both in cttc, and in doomblade buffs

Venthyr buffs are also very good for us

[plush umbra]

Still pretty bad in AoE ? 🤔 i'm considering rerolling and even though i mostly played ol and sub, sin seems attractive

[balmy condor]

Sin aoe is better than sub already

But it probably won’t keep up with outlaw

The buffs in 905 affect mostly single target

[stoic needle]

Sin is unique as a spec because its very easy to play / very consistent spec, that reaches it's sim dps in practice much easier than other specs

So when it sims high as other specs it's really gonna pump

[sturdy mesa]

Heya, was thinking of crafting my first assa leggo as i've got a sub + outlaw one now, Which leggo would perform the best on ST fights now and into 9.0.5

[stoic needle]

Zoldyck is the best first craft for sin

But doomblade does a bit more ST damage

[balmy condor]

Dashing/doomblade for single target

[pastel osprey]

tbh outlaw is way easier

[stoic needle]

It's not tbh

[balmy condor]

That’s gonna be a HARD disagree

[stoic needle]

I've played a decent bit of outlaw and it's just a lot more going on

[pastel osprey]

whats hard on outlaw ? keeping track on rtb and sometimes snd.. thats it

[stoic needle]

Sin is less buttons and more forgiving of mistakes

It's not just keeping track of rtb, it's changing your rotation dynamically based on the buffs you get and managing the 8 different CDs you have

Well 'managing'

[plush umbra]

outlaw is a really high maintenance spec tbh

[pastel osprey]

i disagree... playing outlaw since legion and its super boring

[stoic needle]

It's boring but it's still more effort than sin

Sin only really gets remotely complex in aoe because of multidotting decisions

[pastel osprey]

i mean maybe its because im "new" to sin... but keeping track of the dots on mutliple targets.. i find it way harder

yeah true

[stoic needle]

On single target it's kinda braindead

But really that can be fixed with good nameplate dot tracking

[balmy condor]

Auto-duplicate

That’s a joke don’t do that

[stoic needle]

Look it was an accident okay

[balmy condor]

[stoic needle]

I'll have to release my PrD wa set it's banging

[pulsar sluice]

What would you recommend for this

[stoic needle]

Plater

[icy crater]

I like fly plate buffs

[pulsar sluice]

Yikes

I found plater took too long to set up

[stoic needle]

There's a mod that comes installed with plater that adds pandemic glow to dots

It takes like 10 minutes

Even less if you download a profile

[icy crater]

if you try flyplatebuffs I think the only currenct version is on github

plater is prob better

[pulsar sluice]

ive got a zold ready but only thing holding me back was dot tracking

and im tired of playing arthritislaw

are you able to use plater solely for one spec? like will it change back to old ui set up on spec

[stoic needle]

Yeah I'm not gonna lie I looked up flyplatebuffs and it looks like shit

Like a classic addon

No I don't think you can do that

[icy crater]

its prob an older version I think the original dev stopped updating long ago

[pulsar sluice]

mind showing me your set up @stoic needle

literally all ive been using is elvui and some wa's

[stoic needle]

I can take some pics give me a min

[icy crater]

Stole from a stream vod so quality is ass but thats what it looks like

[stoic needle]

[little basalt]

Plater also has profile imports so if you find someone with a set up you like you can ask for their profile and not have to worry about setting anything up

[icy crater]

That's probably why I'd choose plater tbh

[balmy condor]

wtf is that

[split veldt]

what is this?

[pulsar sluice]

oh word?

[balmy condor]

Be gone satan

[icy crater]

wym

[pulsar sluice]

tahts good to know

[balmy condor]

Looks like a trash weakaura my man

[split veldt]

what do u guys use to track multi dots

[balmy condor]

Plater

[vital tapir]

!bis

[balmy condor]

Gone

[vital tapir]

😦

[storm onyx]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[vital tapir]

how come?

[icy crater]

its ok i can link the bis list i have it saved

let me look for it

[balmy condor]

People were using it to make gear decisions

[fleet whale]

cause in the end

[balmy condor]

So I removed the link

[fleet whale]

ilvl is king

[little basalt]

[balmy condor]

Dw, the link will change :)

[icy crater]

XDDDD

[frozen karma]

I use kui nameplates, it's pretty good looking

[vital tapir]

kekw

[fleet whale]

since like Legion at least BiS lists have become kind of pointless

[vital tapir]

I want it just for the pieces for raid, since that's the only thing I'm doing atm (am sub main so just farming some pieces for ass)

[balmy condor]

Actually a good reminder tho, need to get rid of the shared link

[vital tapir]

just wanted to see if there's some stuff worth going for in the raid

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s why I removed it

[split veldt]

is plater better than threat plates?

[vital tapir]

guess that's fine

oh well

[balmy condor]

Cause that’s the type of logic

[vital tapir]

if I played assa I'd just sim stuff

[balmy condor]

That was causing issues

[vital tapir]

but I cba switching around and then doing it

[late veldt]

Will cttc make us run PB? Like on tyrannical?

[balmy condor]

No

[vital tapir]

@balmy condor is it better to just look at stat prio then?

[balmy condor]

It’s better to just top gear/droptimizer

[plush umbra]

Just go for topgear

or droptimizer if the item isn't in your inventory / vault

[vital tapir]

is there an option on raidbots for 2nd spec?

[balmy condor]

What?

[plush umbra]

just wait 10 secs for the switch to happen

honestly

[balmy condor]

Just change your spec, hit /simc, and then change back

[vital tapir]

like if I'm still specced into sub

fair

[icy crater]

remember to change your gear and conduits too

[vital tapir]

conduits I'll change on raidbots

[balmy condor]

Could technically just change the line that says spec=subtlety to spec=assassination

But that seems like more work

[vital tapir]

ye

I'll just sim it normally I guess

just wanted to cut myself some slack but oh well

[icy crater]

just dont sim 2 specs

you'll just be sad with the outcome

[pulsar sluice]

@stoic needle u ended up taking those pics

[stoic needle]

even better i made some gifs for you

1 sec

looking at this after the fact makes me want to edit some of the sizes and stuff 😛 so hold on

alright what do we think, do debuffs look better anchored to the center and growing from the center, or anchored to the left and growing to the right?

[plush umbra]

i like your WA, and anchored in the center for me

[stoic needle]

it's pretty cool to think about how my WAs have changed in the past few months

this is what they looked like at the beginning of the xpac

[torpid spoke]

for M+, sin better than outlaw?

[stoic needle]

definitely not

it's competitive but not better

[topaz saffron]

Nope, it's got a nice niche though

[stoic needle]

also lol sub rogue

[iron orchid]

I was about to flame you for playing sub

but you are self-sufficent

[stoic needle]

we all start out as zoomers

i used to unironically think that shuriken storm > BP was good

[iron orchid]

I have keys timed as outlaw

[stoic needle]

same

[iron orchid]

that was before the 8% buff

when we were not expecting any

[stoic needle]

i tried out all 3 specs

i started playing sin right before the first 5%

i was like "it cant be that bad, my raid doesn't care anyway!"

it was that bad.

im just glad i didn't craft akaaris

[iron orchid]

anchored to the left of the bar, growing left

[stoic needle]

i kinda like the asymmetry too

[worldly echo]

Hey guys. So is assassin on par or better than sub rogue for M+ at all yet?

[stoic needle]

yeah i'd say assassination is better than sub in M+

[iron orchid]

I can't stop thinking how I only have one big flashy aura for SnD and another for alacrity stacks