assassination

[stoic needle]

Cuz it's not working right or balanced

[hybrid rain]

sorry if this is old news, im new here, when it comes to souldbinds, im kyrian, do i switch to kleia, now i can get the last row?

[balmy condor]

simmmmmmmmmm it

[severe relic]

can you immune sinseeker on mythic with evasion?

??

[balmy condor]

no

[severe relic]

damn, ty

[fallow otter]

https://i.imgur.com/dZpESPd.gif

[raven locust]

You can precloak so the dot doesn't hit you but the initial damage will

[indigo ginkgo]

or blizard gives us a raid buff, or tunned us very high or no chance in a spot at a raid

[sweet swallow]

Feint should work on the initial damage though, correct?

[visual sequoia]

which legy u would craft now?(after buffs) the vendetta one?

[dark vigil]

zoldyck for everything still

vendetta one prob pulls out for sludge specifically

since u can get it to 1 min

[azure carbon]

I think Doom is the play for PvP still.

[ancient peak]

is master assassin actually good for raid, or are the people parsing with it just a bunch of outlaw rogues playing offspec?

[balmy condor]

its not bad

[cunning needle]

is there a macro to have mutilate and ambush as one button?

for blindside procs

[balmy condor]

!bs

[prisma monolith]

Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message

[cunning needle]

F

thanks

[pure panther]

quick question, what sites/addons can i use to sim conduits and soulbinds?

[low girder]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/topgear

you'll also want the simulationcraft addon so you can copy/paste your input

[dark vigil]

get simC and simulationcraft addons

yea

https://i.imgur.com/Aghm0bX.png

[fallow otter]

I don't know what simcompare is but you only need the second one

[dark vigil]

simc

[balmy condor]

what the fuck is simcompare

[dark vigil]

oh wtf

yea

i need to remove tha tone

iudk why i ahve it

[fallow otter]

Nope, simc = simcraft 👍

[low girder]

anyone member simpermut for early raidbots

[dark vigil]

i thought u needed buff

both*

[balmy condor]

yeh

[dark vigil]

deleted

[low girder]

good times

[balmy condor]

BRUH

[low girder]

was a cool addon tbh

[pliant sorrel]

i remember when we ran a spreadsheet in mop

[balmy condor]

Simcompare

is ONLY FOR THE DISCORD BOT

[fallow otter]

That addon been sending me gold for years, Ty for installing

[low girder]

dude what

that would take so long LOL

[balmy condor]

it's gear compare

for the discord bot

yo I'm actually dying

[low girder]

lemme run individual item compare through the bot like 15 times

[fallow otter]

Make sure you guys install pawn and be sure it's the noxxic edition for best results

I've got an addon that detects whether people have it installed and automatically rejects them from groups

Natural selection

[low girder]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/124169701881282560/811919990591717436/Screenshot_20210218-061953.jpg

[fallow otter]

Well said

That guy has pawn installed for example

[cunning needle]

holy shit what noxxic still exists

[balmy condor]

wow thank you noxxic

very cool

[cunning needle]

how

[stoic needle]

[balmy condor]

cause dumbasses don't know any better

why does ask mr robot still exist

why does pawn exist

[stoic needle]

i swear to god that guide is written by a neural network that studies all of the wow guids

[balmy condor]

why do any of the shit places exist

[low girder]

was noxxic literally ever good at one time, like how wowanalyzer was decent at one time

but now it's shit

[balmy condor]

like cata

[low girder]

oh

[cunning needle]

i vaguely recall using noxxic once to check some diablo3 builds

[fallow otter]

I reckon it's a bot that grabs random keywords from the rogue section of wowhead and then fills in the gaps

[stoic needle]

thats what a neural network is, yes

[cunning needle]

🤣

[stoic needle]

wtf

[cunning needle]

thats all it has for RTB

[low girder]

i only looked at the outlaw one, should i delve further

[fallow otter]

It's a high prio for assassination

[low girder]

[cunning needle]

but what about shadowdance?

when do i use shadow dance

[fallow otter]

***** IF YOU ARE NEW HERE PLEASE IGNORE ALL THE ADVICE GIVEN IN THE LAST 5MINS *****

Im getting worried

Lol

[cunning needle]

guess i'm going to symbols into back stab

[low girder]

yeah i should say DO NOT FOLLOW ANY OF THESE PICS

oh hey the sin one also has enchants and consumables from BfA

just like the outlaw one

updated for 9.0.2 btw

[stoic needle]

[fallow otter]

Wowanalyzer can still actually be used for certain things that you know it does correctly but as a new player looking through the list of tips and improvements is a waste of time

Use it to do maths for you

[low girder]

it kept telling me i need to stop refreshing garrote early in 8.3

because clearly you don't do that before exsang

[fallow otter]

Apparently I shouldnt cancel fists if fury

[stoic needle]

wowanalyzer is just strictly worse than asking for a log review here

[fallow otter]

Yeh it is but if you already know how to play and are just checking yourself

You can use it

[low girder]

oh hey they have a bis list

!bis

[prisma monolith]

Whispyrs Bis list: http://tiny.cc/76r5tz

[low girder]

let's check this out

[cunning needle]

!shiv

hmmm

[dark vigil]

lmao

[cunning needle]

for assi - shiv is used on cd? dont hold for envenom?

[fallow otter]

Cd

[low girder]

it's not too far off tbh

[fallow otter]

You can pool for it probably but I don't play sin atm so I don't know how fast it is

[dark vigil]

use on cd but pool prior to it coming off cd

basically dont be casting it as soon as you get 20 energy

cast it when you have like 120 ish?

[low girder]

the pooling matters less than hitting it on cd

[cunning needle]

kk

[dark vigil]

ofc

[fallow otter]

Actually that's not how pooling works

[dark vigil]

but to minmax

[low girder]

the sim refreshes dots during shiv all the time

[cunning needle]

so try be smart but if not smart just use off cd

[low girder]

that might change with cttc but idk

[fallow otter]

You still press it in cd but you pool beforehand, not hold the cd

[dark vigil]

does it really

[low girder]

yeah

[dark vigil]

thats what i said stunkei

[onyx hemlock]

@fallow otter i think thats what they said

[dark vigil]

i said hold it prior

like

fuck i mistype agian

[cunning needle]

whats CTTC?

[dark vigil]

cut to the chase

new thing coming in 9.0.5 that we used to have

[cunning needle]

ah

[dark vigil]

envenom refresh slice and dice cd 3 sec every combo point

[cunning needle]

oh that enveom += 3sec slice and dice

[fallow otter]

Ok this but confusing lol

[cunning needle]

ye looks like im back to assi in 9.05

[dark vigil]

look at the line

[cunning needle]

sub in the bin

[dark vigil]

prior

[fallow otter]

Actually back in the day

[dark vigil]

i said pool prior to it coming off cd not pooling when its off cd

[onyx hemlock]

refering to saying its better to use when you have energy available, so you pool in prep for it coming off cd

[fallow otter]

You try keep up envenom buff

That still a thing now?

[dark vigil]

envenom buff is

pretty hard to maintain

while also dotting

its 6 sec buff at 5 cp

[fallow otter]

Ep

[low girder]

you don't run EP on ST

at least rn

[fallow otter]

Jesus

[dark vigil]

if anything

blindside helps with envemon uptime

[onyx hemlock]

also if someone can help me answer a question, what is hectic add cleave when looking at sims?

[dark vigil]

honestly

igonre it

its wildly innaccurate

[onyx hemlock]

the name makes it sound inaccurate already, lmao

[dark vigil]

just go off st, pretty hard to sim for keys

which i assume is what u want hectic addcleave for

[low girder]

dungeonslice is fine for keys

don't use hectic, ye

[dark vigil]

dungeonslice is pretty bad in general too but more accurate than hectic

[onyx hemlock]

i ask about hectic, because that is what is on bloodmallet

[dark vigil]

yeah i wouldnt do it

[low girder]

raidbots will give you descriptions when you pick them

[dark vigil]

if anything you'd want to use a sim on raidbots and have it like 4 bosses instead of 1 before you used hectic add cleave

[fallow otter]

Dslice let's you restealth

[dark vigil]

yea

[onyx hemlock]

basically im cruising through mallet, checking out cool data for fun, and i see jade ignition for WW is like LIGHT YEARS ahead of everything else, and not a single monk plays that shit

so i figured id ask

[fallow otter]

The glory days @balmy condor

Rip the best sin

[dark vigil]

just go off st for simming

[shy dust]

That was an aberration

[wide bolt]

Memeing as sin in keys tonight. We go Niya over korayn?

[dark vigil]

korayn

first strike

lethal poisons

recuperate

nimble fingers

quick decisions or rushed setup

[wide bolt]

ty forgot Mplus subcreation is a bit wonky cause of korayn still being new for its data

[dark vigil]

theres an argument for the fan of knives

instead of lethal poisons

but you wont cast fan of knives on bosses at all really

and lethal poisons is applied from fan anyways

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wide bolt]

Update to my memeing to those curious: Way more fucking work then sub or outlaw to pump

but the numbers felt there

feelycrafty tho

[balmy condor]

whats the meme?

[dark vigil]

i actually am not too knowedgable on sub or outlaw

are they more straight forward than sin?

or is that the meme

[balmy condor]

I'm not sure what the meme is

[dark vigil]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

@wide bolt

[desert jungle]

What do you guys think of the ptr changes to sin; new passive and the buff the venomous?

[dark vigil]

its nice

but its not enough

its more quality of life than a buff

the flag change might end up being more impactful

at least thats the consensus i've gotten so far

we have some more ptr builds to come though

[desert jungle]

Yea ptr is still early. I will imagine there will be more changes across the board

[dark vigil]

i think the issue is

[desert jungle]

It just looked like the feral soul of the forest talent for a bit

[dark vigil]

sin is actually performing very well in some fights

[desert jungle]

St ones?

[dark vigil]

yes

[desert jungle]

Makes sense

[dark vigil]

and even council if you change damage to bosses instead of overall damage

[balmy condor]

the only fight sin is doing good in is sire

[dark vigil]

this is xymox

[desert jungle]

Yea I mean I am not surprised at all

[dark vigil]

council of blood, damage to bosses

[desert jungle]

Yup that’s a huge fight for string st builds. What about slug?

[dark vigil]

slug is weird cause

vendetta every other pillar

[desert jungle]

Silly boomkin padders

[dark vigil]

i think with ptr changes, you might wanna run the vendetta cd thing

since you should be able to get it to 1 min after change

[echo cargo]

has anyone done Mythic Council as Sin?

[desert jungle]

I got excited when I saw that new passive. It was a life saver for feral

[dark vigil]

but thats literally for 1 fight

yes

i just showed you

[echo cargo]

Wondering if it's a DPS increase to rupture one of the other bosses for energy gains

[dark vigil]

of course

[desert jungle]

Thanks for info man

[stoic needle]

it's better to just garotte

[dark vigil]

garotte 2 bosses rupture the main one

i think is the play

[lilac sparrow]

What is SBS?

[balmy condor]

bone spike

necrolord ability

[lilac sparrow]

thx :)

Really curios how much buffed overall dps

[manic merlin]

Can't take xymox as a parameter for anything because of extremly punishing mechanics to melee dps and the fact that rogues are excellent seed carriers

[pliant sorrel]

holy, the legion duskwalkers were nerfed to 65 energy thats crazy

thought id share cause thats a big diff

[balmy condor]

sbs is about 0.7%
cttc is about 3%

[dark vigil]

@manic merlin and they're top 5 dmg?

Whats your point

[fallow otter]

What percentile

[lilac sparrow]

Hmm.. replacing every snd to env just give 1~1.5%? Disappointing😩

[balmy condor]

it's like 6 envenoms

over 5 minutes

[fallow otter]

And less energy regen isn't it?

Do those 2 even out a bit

I guess at a certain amount of haste it could take over

But I havent find the maths for that

[lilac sparrow]

Loss of Snd rank 2 balanced with VW buff

[balmy condor]

have you uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[fallow otter]

Lol

[dark vigil]

90th and 95th @fallow otter

[fallow otter]

I was thinking more about the haste

[dark vigil]

Vw and cttc overall is a net gain

Moreso in multitarget

[fallow otter]

More haste more gain is my point

[dark vigil]

For vw

Yes

[fallow otter]

And cleave buff etc

[dark vigil]

Flag changes will probably be more impact full

[ruby socket]

@dark vigil that sim is raid or m+?

[dark vigil]

Raid

Read the context around

Not even a sim

Actual data

[ruby socket]

yeah, sorry, just seen it, thought it will be easier to ask than reading everything 😛

[dark vigil]

Np

[gray pond]

I assume for single target our best legendary hasnt changed. Am i right?

[balmy condor]

correct

we still go zoldyck everywhere

[torn atlas]

How much favoured should Sin be in Sire over Sub? I've ran it in lfr a few times now, twice as Sin and once as Sub. All three times I put out 3.6kdps over the entire fight (Sub fight lasted far longer as half raid died).
Are there too many variables to really give any insight without logs?

[gray pond]

Ty

[torn atlas]

Or are they both just pretty close in general?

[strange python]

zoldyk is so cute

[dusky vault]

Sin performs significantly better than sub on sire given that phase 3 is the hardest part of the fight

But if you're only progging normal or even heroic it really doesnt matter

[drowsy pond]

^

p3 most important part of sire

[balmy condor]

3 bananas

[drowsy pond]

that's a lot of bananas

[torn atlas]

Hahaha I figured that would be about right.

Sin feels better to navigate the mechanics so guess I'll likely be sticking with it.

The execute feels noticeable. At least on a raid wide scale.

[crisp edge]

@balmy condor wdym correct ? you dont play zoldyck anymore once the buff applies to duskwalker who the fuck wants to play 30 % execute dmg over 1 min vendettas

[torn atlas]

Problem is getting our guild past P2

[crisp edge]

potentially even lower with higher haste

[balmy condor]

Every mythic raider worth a shit why would you ping me with something that fucking stupid

[crisp edge]

aight cba your right

[low girder]

duskwalker's isn't even bis on ST with the buff

[balmy condor]

Like bruh

Zoldyck will sim higher

AND It’s execute

[crisp edge]

yeyeyeeyey

correct

do your 5 min patchwerk over and over again

[balmy condor]

?????????

What metric are you using

[low girder]

doomblade beats it literally every time

[balmy condor]

For your feelycraft

[low girder]

on any st sim length

as will dashing

but yes let's pick the clearly worse leggo

[balmy condor]

Anything?

[stoic needle]

@balmy condor quiet and do your 5 min patchwerk sims

[balmy condor]

Yo bud cite your sources

[strange python]

sims are fake news

everyone KNOWS this already

cmon whispyr

[balmy condor]

Fuck guess he’s gone

I even pinged him tho

[strange python]

its ok

[balmy condor]

[stoic needle]

he's been a duskwalker stan from the beginning

[balmy condor]

How long are they gonna stay under 30%

It’s like that English teacher thing “restate the question in your answer”

But this dude stating the answer in his question

[cunning needle]

my brain hurts from reading this

[balmy condor]

Idk man

There’s burst on pull

So I’m gonna say

34% of the time

[cunning needle]

https://tenor.com/view/calculation-math-hangover-allen-zach-galifianakis-gif-6219070

math checks out

[placid egret]

sounds smart to me

[cunning needle]

so even with the buffs to the leggos for 9.0.5 - zoldys is still stronker?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[cunning needle]

ez time to make one then

[balmy condor]

The lego’s that got buffed don’t overtake anything

On any of the specs actually

[placid egret]

PTR changes arent done yet presumably

[balmy condor]

Dunno

[placid egret]

Might be smart to still hold

[balmy condor]

Maybe, maybe not

[cunning needle]

i'll probably craft r2

[balmy condor]

Zoldyck definitely not a bad choice though

[low girder]

i was so hoping they'd buff rotten more

[cunning needle]

just so i have it

and I can play assi

[strange python]

zoldyk collecting dust in my bank

it'll get used eventually

[low girder]

zoldyck is always good to have

[strange python]

next thing I know its end of xpac and I never changed specs

[balmy condor]

[strange python]

I just see my mage sitting on my character list and the temptation to just run fire and be that guy grows

[balmy condor]

I don’t have any Alts leveled

[cunning needle]

zoldy on legs yeh?

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[flint ridge]

best lego for assassination on pvp?

[cunning needle]

ez

#pvp also MA

[balmy condor]

Ma or doomblade

[low girder]

it's ok they'll get nerfed soon. oh wait they got buffed

[strange python]

leveling alts is a pain, I work third shift IT desk though so I have almost nothing to do

just level them out of boredom

[balmy condor]

Yeh I feel that

That’s what I usually do end of expac

But I didn’t find any motivation to level during 8.3

So all my Alts just sitting in their order hall

[low girder]

the whole vendor thing actually actively made me not want to

i eventually did at the very very end

got the mage to like 460 or something

[balmy condor]

I was loving m+

[flint ridge]

can you guys shed light why ma on pvp as well for sin?

[balmy condor]

Big envenom

Is big

[strange python]

do you run mfd enven MA opener

in pvp

[balmy condor]

I think so

Idk, #pvp stuff

Yucky

[strange python]

cause that mfd opener even without MA does stupid burst already

[flint ridge]

can someone tell me what is the mfd opener on sin rogues. so i mfd i bleed and envenom right away?

so it crits?

[balmy condor]

For pvp? Would have to ask #pvp

For pve we only play mfd in m+

[slow marsh]

Garrote muti envenom mfd envenom

[balmy condor]

In which case you would take subterfuge

Take 4 garrotes in

[cunning needle]

something like
KS -> Vanish -> MFD -> envenom -> muti -> envenom

[balmy condor]

And then CT into mfd rup

[cunning needle]

wait no throw a shiv before that KS

[stoic needle]

for pvp the opener with MA is garrote mut snd mut rupture, then you bait defensives, then you kidney, build 5cp, shiv vanish envenom mfd envenom

you cant really kill in an opener at all as rogue

unless your opponent is braindead

[slow marsh]

Rbgs it's nice because yes they are

[cunning needle]

either way though should play sub in pvp

[slow marsh]

Na sin is fine

[cunning needle]

be the CC bot that you are for your mage

[slow marsh]

You can actually kill plate

[flint ridge]

no i want to play sin and a healer for 2s and win against warrior comps

[cunning needle]

ahh kk nvm if youre playing healer 2s then

[slow marsh]

3s too

[balmy condor]

#pvp

[slow marsh]

Just allows different comps so it's nice. Obviously sub has more utility with multi stun

[strange python]

imagine killing during an opener as rogue in arena

[stoic needle]

you won't

[strange python]

paladin

says hi

[stoic needle]

just give up bro

you're wasting your time

[strange python]

whispyr doesnt like stinky pvp

[balmy condor]

#pvp likes stinky pvp

[cunning needle]

time to bleed things!

[stoic needle]

[slow marsh]

Welcome

[balmy condor]

More sin players Love to see it

[cunning needle]

big 1 second poison casts instead of 1.5 seconds

this is huge

[slow marsh]

Now start gifting your local priest and bribe for pi during exe and you'll be set

[cunning needle]

can't my haste still too poop

800 vers assi rogue lets go baby

[slow marsh]

25% is 25%

[balmy condor]

Ouch

[slow marsh]

Are you in all pvp gear or what

[balmy condor]

It’ll be fine tho

[cunning needle]

like half pvp gear

[balmy condor]

9% is easy

[cunning needle]

and half sub gear

and turns out my sub gear is also scuffed

because i have a ton of mast

[slow marsh]

Gearing isn't too bad. Grab a couple haste rings and you'll be fine

[cunning needle]

im just tired of tracking so much and accomplishing so little

even with this gear my assi sims like 80 dps lower

[strange python]

idk if its just a me problem but this xpac seems to just like shitting mastery gear all over the place

I can't ditch it

from a pve standpoint anyway i dont pvp gear

[balmy condor]

I haven’t had an issue with it

I don’t pvp either

Probably just lucky me or unlucky you or both idk

[strange python]

main gauche is so troll stacking mastery just feels so ick

well the ability isn't troll its just the way it interacts with the stat

[slow marsh]

It's that damn huntsman neck

For me

[balmy condor]

Just pull a better one out of your box

[slow marsh]

Yeah

That and a weapon

And a ohial

[balmy condor]

It’s that easy - ion

[strange python]

I went from getting no weapons from raid or vault to getting one a week the last two

just backloading all of my luck

ty

[slow marsh]

And uhhhh a boots

[balmy condor]

<— 226 phial, 226 mainhand with avoidance

[slow marsh]

Just like 5 weeks of hitting on everything no biggie

[balmy condor]

It’s okay though, I had legs for 3 weeks in a row, with zoldyck being legs too

[strange python]

flex more u mf

[balmy condor]

[light plume]

226 phial? im stealing your account and mailing that to me

thanks ❤️

[balmy condor]

THERES HOPE FOR YOU GUYS

I BELIEVE

[slow marsh]

I had week before last same belt but a socket. Last week a mastery cloak I had to take.

[strange python]

[slow marsh]

Thanks I need it

[fallow otter]

Im a stygia boy and you out here collecting phials and weapons, I needed to pvp for mine

[balmy condor]

[strange python]

I haven't had to eat the stygia bullet yet

so i guess im lucky in that regard

[balmy condor]

I’ve had to eat Stygia bullet

[slow marsh]

I did get h stone legion and hate chain though so it could certainly be worse

[strange python]

i rly hope this maw forging thing isn't as crazy as corruption

no telling where it'll put specs

[stoic needle]

can someone please explain

[balmy condor]

King 👑

[stoic needle]

how the flying fuck i can get a decent parse on sun king, SLG and council

i just

dont understand

[balmy condor]

Dude neither do I lmao

[light plume]

sun king i have huge issues on atm

[stoic needle]

i do all the mechanics and keep up my dots on everything

and my parse is still strash

[slow marsh]

Depends what's decent

[light plume]

im outlaw so I could cheese council if I really wanted

like all the boomkins do

[stoic needle]

like higher than 50%

[strange python]

You won’t parse on sun king unless you get a bad group

[balmy condor]

My slg parse is like 87

Sun king got a 97

[stoic needle]

do you have to pad on the generals when they're shielded or something

[fallow otter]

Slg straight forward, sin king straight forward but council... Literally impossible with my comp

[stoic needle]

idgi

[light plume]

slg I feel is group dependent

[balmy condor]

But still ain’t happy

[slow marsh]

You can set up a parse for sun king with guild

Don't heal KT and farm mobs

[stoic needle]

so i'm basically never going to parse on that fight, got it

[balmy condor]

Can’t get higher than a 97 on council and sun king

[slow marsh]

Pretty much

[stoic needle]

whatever

[fallow otter]

You mean mythic or heroic

[slow marsh]

Generally the whole guild just plans for it that week

Is how I've seen it

[stoic needle]

i have 80% or more on every other fight but those 3

90s on the first 3 and 87 on inerva

[slow marsh]

I got 80 on counsil tonight

Wearing the wrong head and boots

[stoic needle]

i dont have a guild so this is as good as it gets i guess

[strange python]

u can parse good on sun king just tell ur healers to go slow so its an 8 minute pull very poggers

[light plume]

I could not imagine living the pug life for nathria

[balmy condor]

Ouch

[light plume]

youre slum dogging it out man

props

[fallow otter]

Hello?! ^^^

[slow marsh]

A true lone wolf

[stoic needle]

[strange python]

ay i dont think

its as painful

as pugging mythic opulence or rastakhan

war flashbacks

[balmy condor]

[light plume]

mythic pugs seem like hell

[slow marsh]

You don't really parse for mythic just heroic. Parses for mythic will be next patch prolly right

[fallow otter]

Maybe no one knows!

[slow marsh]

Or update

[stoic needle]

Yeah my server doesn't have mythic pugs at all

[slow marsh]

When they nerf it

[balmy condor]

I mean I talk heroic parse

[stoic needle]

I need to transfer

[balmy condor]

Cause uh

Me trash

[light plume]

im on stormrage so we got the people, just no-one on ally does mythic

[strange python]

im on area 52 and i rarely even see mythic pugs going up

[balmy condor]

A52?

[strange python]

and thats a huge server

[balmy condor]

Pog hi friend :D

[strange python]

might just be the times i play at though

hi

[stoic needle]

Idk maybe I have no idea where to go tbh

[balmy condor]

I was on a dead server, transferred to a52

[slow marsh]

We are 6/10 mythic but I haven't been able to make a good argument for them to give me a spot yet. Need more gv gear

[balmy condor]

Best money I’ve ever spent

[balmy condor]

[strange python]

I'm the only person in my guild group that even has aotc friends though so thats rly all i care about

my old guild exploded because of time old "guild leader wont bench gray parse wife" situation

[balmy condor]

We just spent 11 pulls reclearing sire

For aotc

[slow marsh]

Nice

[balmy condor]

Cause random massacre deaths

And puddle gamers

[slow marsh]

I pugged sire and killed it 2nd try

[stoic needle]

my last guild exploded because of drama

[strange python]

yea a couple weeks ago like 7 people couldnt show up to raid and we wiped on H inerva I started crying

[stoic needle]

they reformed but i dont want to join them again because they were too casual for how i want to pay retail right now

[balmy condor]

Oof

[strange python]

it was pre-nerf and i guess 3 bottles is too hard for pugs

for soaks

[light plume]

my guild has PTSD from inerva, normal and heroic

[fallow otter]

Get your heroic parse on

[balmy condor]

Monk

[fallow otter]

Lollll

[slow marsh]

Yeah

[low girder]

he'll be back next tier

[slow marsh]

Was gonna say lol

Ez

[low girder]

sin

[balmy condor]

Stunkei left us

Everyone leaving man

Feels bad

[slow marsh]

No wonder all he does is shit talk us here xD

[fallow otter]

I don't really have a choice, you know that right

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[slow marsh]

Of course

[balmy condor]

But I’ll still miss you

[fallow otter]

Those fucks

[balmy condor]

[fallow otter]

Killed it

[stoic needle]

[slow marsh]

Was it pretty easy swap?

[stoic needle]

monk rerollers

[balmy condor]

Green rogue

Am i right

[fallow otter]

Well i do get the urge to trix and shroud during pre pull when my brain is mush 60pulls into m sludge

[strange python]

[slow marsh]

I have a dk 205 ilvl waiting but I just don't want to let go

[stoic needle]

monk does look like a lot of fun no lie

if rogue stays in the dumpster for another tier or 2 i'd probably play it

[strange python]

its petty but i wont play monk because I think their animations look stupid

[slow marsh]

I highly doubt it'll stay past next tier. Though it's possible

[low girder]

if rogue is still in this spot next tier i'm just going dk

fuck it

[fallow otter]

WoO ww is the most fun ever imo, but it ain't for everyone coz it's not easy

[light plume]

IDK Blizz doesnt seem to understand utility is worth something

[elfin valley]

monk generally doesnt scale so be warned ab that

[low girder]

i could've swapped by now for this tier but i didn't want to

it's like 213 or something

[light plume]

people talking about monk and leaving out UH DK

[strange python]

there is no scaling it all just depends on what classes can abuse whatever borrowed power comes in the following patches

[fallow otter]

No chance I'm playing that wheelchair class bro

[light plume]

AMZ Best execute, best cleave amazing single target, cloak on a 1 min cd tanky as hell

[stoic needle]

this is fake news

[slow marsh]

Frost is outsimming UH in ST now so both specs are better than rogue

[strange python]

monk usually just loses on that front

with the borrowed power abuse

[stoic needle]

but they got weapons of order

so its looking like a pretty good expansion for them

[stoic needle]

i like complex

one of my gripes is how simple a lot of the specs are

[fallow otter]

Yeh woo is pog

[strange python]

idk i dont think theres many huge brain specs in the game are there

maybe demo lock

[slow marsh]

I mean monk is the most complex atm and it's not super hard once you understand how it works right

[strange python]

fury warrior and outlaw rogue take the biggest brain

higher apm = more skill

[slow marsh]

Clearly

[strange python]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-crazy-cat-keyboard-cat-fast-gif-5753018

[stoic needle]

i like sin for the class fantasy and the gameplay of multi dotting but it's not that complex

[slow marsh]

I mean it's 4 buttons

Tbh I just like sin right now because of how much people hate it

[stoic needle]

sin in aoe is a lot of fun to play

like sin m+ is so much fun

[slow marsh]

Yeah it is

[strange python]

ya i remember on asmongold first castle nathria stream he inspected the rogue in his raid and immediately kicked him for being sin

im sure that influenced some of his audience

[slow marsh]

The only issue I have is tab targeting not swapping to what I need to ruoture

When there's 15 mobs stacked

[stoic needle]

outlaw isn't bad either but it pushes a different button

[strange python]

outlaw feels more like playing rogue in wow classic in regards to breaking the key you have bound to sinister strike

[stoic needle]

tbh i dont think it actually matters that much which target you rupture as long as you get one out and its not immediately about to die

[slow marsh]

That's what I mean I try to get it on the big guy in the pack but end up just rupturing something that dies in 5 seconds.

I'm sure if I messed with nameplates I could fix it

[stoic needle]

oh yeah. having good nameplates is big

[oak trout]

Nameplates addon solves that problem

[stoic needle]

i love plater

[slow marsh]

They are decent but I use elvui and just haven't gotten to it

[stoic needle]

elvui plates are kinda dog

[slow marsh]

They really are

[oak trout]

Just have it stacked instead of overlapping and its good

[slow marsh]

I haven't tried plater. I tried threat plates and it just looked too default ui-y

[oak trout]

Kui is easier and also good

[strange python]

elvui plates annoy the crap out of me

[oak trout]

I still can't figure how to activate mouseover on names in plater

[strange python]

I like plater because key spells that need to be interrupted get their cast bars highlighted and flash and shit

[oak trout]

While in kui it's baseline

[stoic needle]

kui is a lot easier, i like the customization ability of plater

i have mouseover baked into my macros

[low girder]

@balmy condor

i'm back

[balmy condor]

[oak trout]

No I mean when I hover my mouse on name i can select the target, but with plater idk how to do it

[balmy condor]

The gang is coming back

[slow marsh]

2 in one night. Pogger

[low girder]

i've been planning it forever i just had enough for r3 finally

think i'm 200 dust short of r4 after next week

[slow marsh]

I just got r4 this week. Feels good

[strange python]

just mash tab until u get what u want obviously

[low girder]

prepping for sire, if i have the leggo already maybe i can get in

[balmy condor]

[slow marsh]

It's really good on hunts too but that's not a hard fight at all

[low girder]

i just play outlaw on hunts

though we're not reclearing until the tier is over

sludge should go down pretty quick next week then on to SLG and i should be able to see the raid again

just not as sub

[slow marsh]

I mean technically outlaw will still be better on sire overall I'd you're already playing it without issue

If

[low girder]

on overall, but outlaw isn't gonna be enough to get me into the raid

execute dmg might be

[slow marsh]

True

[stoic needle]

this is what im hoping for

[low girder]

i'm like mediocre at outlaw atm anyway

[slow marsh]

Sire is a fun fight to me

[stoic needle]

with every buff the gap between sin and otl narrows

a 5/10m guild hit me up i think i'm gonna try out for them

[slow marsh]

I'm hoping that people continue to meme on sin and we luck into another flat buff for no reason

[stoic needle]

i think they have dogshit rogues and they want a replacement

[slow marsh]

Bro!

[bright turret]

just do what the OP classes do and spam Blizzard about how much your class sucks

[stoic needle]

im saying

i've been saying that for weeks

[low girder]

much as i'm sad about sub i know for a fact sin won't take me long to get back into it, and i know i'm good at it. god knows i've had practice the last like 3.5 years

[slow marsh]

Well then actually do it

[stoic needle]

we need to bridgade the forums

i'm working on apost

[bright turret]

nah GD is dull

[slow marsh]

Oh I thought you meant the guild. But yes

[bright turret]

You'll be told how rogue has amazing utility like kicks and stuns

[strange python]

I dunno thats a pretty big gap tragic when all 3 rogue specs are visible in the bottom half of the spec list

[stoic needle]

nah who cares what the other people say

[slow marsh]

We need to pump the hype that's bound to come with cttp

[slow marsh]

Pump the breaks on the hype

[stoic needle]

we need a bunch of "well cttc is nice, but rogue still suxx" posts

tbh we need a rogue content creator to make a video about it

[slow marsh]

It's only 5 envenoms it's nothing

Yeah well unfortunately we are stuck with a Scottish click baiter

We need more talking about sin while playing outlaw videos

[low girder]

seems i have a little bit of bar maintenance to do

[stoic needle]

i'm gonna wait until the sims get updated so i can use some legit numbers

[fallow otter]

Drag in shiv

[stoic needle]

"these buffs will be an X% buff to assassination, which won't change its ranking at all"

[low girder]

shiv's already where TB was

[fallow otter]

You've done more than me then

[low girder]

better than sub was

when i swapped to sub in prepatch i had uldir gear on bars

[stoic needle]

it's harder for idiots on the forums to argue with numbers

[slow marsh]

Truuuu

[low girder]

900 vers sin here we come

[fallow otter]

Yeh I think this is a perspective thing, it's very punishing and global locked

[somber hill]

Mark my words, sin will be a top 7 dps spec by end of shadowlands

we scale very well once we get late expac secondaries

[strange python]

the general community response is usually just "good i like when rogues cry" almost in the same boat as DH

[slow marsh]

Top 7 😆😆😆

[low girder]

unless something changed since the aura buffs, sub scales better than sin does with gear, whispyr's done all that

they're both shit though

[somber hill]

assass feels so dog cus missing so much haste atm, as the expac goes on we will feel much bter

[strange python]

I think all of the sub rogues i was seeing at the start of the xpac respec'd onto outlaw or just rerolled another class entirely at this point

[somber hill]

going from 70% haste in BFA to lik 20% in shadowlandss makes it feel dog

[slow marsh]

You can literally say that about every other spec

[low girder]

for the most part. sub's still fine on a bunch of fights though. shriek, sun king, artificer, sludge

all fine

sire even

[slow marsh]

Sub is fine but outlaw is just better at the same thing

[somber hill]

@slow marsh ya but the energy regen is rlly holding us back more than the oheer specs in particular

[slow marsh]

Priority damage

[somber hill]

top 7 end of xpac

[tranquil robin]

Is the doomblade leggo not getting buffed for sin?

[strange python]

it is

you can see it in the patch notes on wowhead

[slow marsh]

It is but we will go zold because that's what makes us viable

[tranquil robin]

Im a pvper

[slow marsh]

Then yes you will be happy

[fallow otter]

This is how my rogue went before I decided getting benched for huntsman sucked

[tranquil robin]

looking for an alternative to MA

[slow marsh]

Doomblade is already good right now

For pvp

[tranquil robin]

Ill get on building it then

[somber hill]

Feels weirdchamp having MA talent and MA lego

when the talentt literally came to be due to the reliance on the lego

[slow marsh]

The talent isn't even that great. I'm running subt for everything at this point

[somber hill]

ya ik im just saying feels weird that both are in the game given that the talent was added as a replacement for the lego

[celest ruin]

just get both and have 150% bonus crit

[slow marsh]

Stonks

[slow marsh]

It really is rough considering how hard the ranged dps pumps right now

[low girder]

hmm, 200 behind my sub and 300 behind my outlaw with a 225, i expected worse

considering i have like 920 vers

[slow marsh]

Is that sim or actual

[low girder]

sim

[celest ruin]

how do you guys parse on sk

[subtle imp]

have a shit group

[low girder]

i'm sure if i went and did artificer i'd do better considering my ghost luck

[strange python]

ask ur group to make the fight take 8-10 minutes so u can parse

[slow marsh]

Swap to CT EP and hope your healers sucj

Suck

[tranquil robin]

The patchnotes on wowhead only show doomblade buffs for sub btw

[celest ruin]

thats a bit shitty, i hate fights like sk

[low girder]

actually might be a little larger than that, forgot i haven't simmed either of the others with these boe boots i picked up

but still

[fallow otter]

Dec17th was when I killed mythic first boss, and those parses are all from before then lol

[subtle imp]

wcl doesnt have allstar points for sk if it makes you feel any better

[slow marsh]

Well then you should be a bit less than even in actual considering how much easier sin is when it comes to mechanics

[clear zealot]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[celest ruin]

also, does anyone know why a parse randomly goes down a number

[slow marsh]

Ouch no wonder you rerolled.

[celest ruin]

after like 2 days

without anyone beating it

[slow marsh]

First thought would be increase in total # of parses messing with ranking

[celest ruin]

wouldnt that increase the parse though? im so confused

[fallow otter]

Lol that 99 sub parse from xymox is from Dec 13 and is 3.9k dps 189ilvl

[slow marsh]

I wasn't even resubbed at that time xD

[low girder]

lmao i thought i was bad walking into m shriekwing at 195 that first day

[slow marsh]

I mean the only real dps checks this tier are kind of council, sludge and sire himself

[fallow otter]

Shriekwing I was 200 apparently

[low girder]

i got royally fucked in gear early on

[slow marsh]

The 98 sk is making a lot of dps jelly for sure

[strange python]

i have a 97 on slg

in normal..... 😳

[stoic needle]

how do you think doomblade would work for sub, considering they don't have mutilate?

[slow marsh]

I only got 59 tonight for sun king on 3 min fight 😭

[strange python]

that fight doesnt even have mechanics in normal they just stand there and watch you kill them

[low girder]

yeah idk if he confused that for deathly

[strange python]

i'd hate to see lfr

[tranquil robin]

ah, as it would turn out I cant read. I get mutilate and eviscerate confused

[low girder]

so

[stoic needle]

hehe all g man

[low girder]

i forgot i had chaos brand turned off

if i get 235 👀

not too shabby

[slow marsh]

Not great yet but I'm improving drastically over the last 2 weeks so I'll take it

[vagrant mist]

what cov are you

[slow marsh]

NF

[vagrant mist]

would kyrian or venthyr be a close choice ?

[stoic needle]

considering these were all in pugs i'd say they're pretty decent

if i could get a phial and maybe one or two more haste upgrades i'd break 6k

[low girder]

i have a heroic chain

and a 223 flayedwing

[slow marsh]

Yes but wait until the new patch is final before deciding because venthyr is very interesting right now but we have to see what they do

[stoic needle]

i'm still using this anima battery that i got week 3

and 220 stone legion

[slow marsh]

NF is best ST by a hair then Kyrian I believe

[strange python]

anima battery

[slow marsh]

But both very close

[strange python]

actually nevermind thats not as funny its probably actually somewhat useful on sin

[low girder]

that was one of my choices the other week, i chose stygia lol

[stoic needle]

its aight

[strange python]

I had that thing for a bit on outlaw and I was miserable

[stoic needle]

the problem is it gives speed and haste instead of flat haste so it gives less stat than itshould

i'd do horrible things for an IQD

hooomygod

[slow marsh]

What weapons?

[stoic needle]

223/220

[low girder]

better weapons than me

[slow marsh]

Ahhh yeah I'm stuck with 213/207 right now and it's killing me

[stoic needle]

i got weapons 3 weeks in a row in the vault smdh

[slow marsh]

Rip

[stoic needle]

after going the whole xpac not seeing any

i should probably try to hit 1800 in rbg so i can get 220 gear

[light plume]

I have a 210 IQD, I dont really like it

[stoic needle]

iqd is fucking nuts

if you have haste as your biggest stat it will give you haste when lust is up

[slow marsh]

I got no loot tonight for heroic so I'm hoping tomorrow daddy denathy gives me something

[light plume]

i mainly play outlaw maybe its alot better for assa

[stoic needle]

i got fucking shriekwing trinket AGAIN

[light plume]

err well not that its bad

[stoic needle]

i cannot escape that stupid thing

[slow marsh]

Iqd is extremely nutty

[low girder]

we never saw skulkers in mythic at all

feelsbadman

[light plume]

does it give haste based off the lust too?

or just base

[stoic needle]

you aren't missing much mata

[slow marsh]

Base stats I believe

[fallow otter]

Not bad not bad, mythic council, the way we do it... Feels impossible to parse any good

[stoic needle]

IQD gives one of your top 2 stats normally, and during lust it gives your top stat

[slow marsh]

Are you doing the center room pull with everyone running outside in a circle

[low girder]

ever been this consistently meh?

[fallow otter]

In Microsoft excel

[shy dust]

[stoic needle]

could you IMAGINE lust + thrillseeker + fully stacked flag + iqd haste proc

[low girder]

those are different bosses btw

[stoic needle]

fucking bfa expedient haste levels again for 20s

[slow marsh]

Yeah you might actually get a PI at that point

[signal gulch]

both times ive forgotten to do a 15 ive gotten a iqd and a phial

ive cursed myself

[fallow otter]

Time to respec exsang CT just say the word

[shy dust]

I think i hit 6.4 as sin maybe

[fallow otter]

Wtf that's more than my monk

[stoic needle]

i know that dreadfire sims better but i would take iqd/phial over phial/dreadfire

[low girder]

[shy dust]

Monk ST is not that high

[low girder]

rae has god gear also

[fallow otter]

Yeh but sin...

[low girder]

rae aren't you 227

[slow marsh]

I mean I'd take the dreadfire still

[stoic needle]

but the haste stack man

[slow marsh]

I mean yeah

[shy dust]

yeah i m227 equipped currently

[low girder]

ye that helps

i think that sim i'm 223

[slow marsh]

But 3 min cd you are only using twice a fight

[stoic needle]

i wish i'd understood how busted pvp gearing was week one and gotten 2200

[slow marsh]

Vs dreadfire is up every vendetta

[stoic needle]

when it was free

god dammit

[slow marsh]

And in between

[shy dust]

2200 was never free

[slow marsh]

And same I wish I was playing at the begining of xpac but alas I thought it was gonna flop

[shy dust]

it was harder week 1 if anything

[low girder]

jk 221.9 lol, holy fuck that ring drops me

[slow marsh]

With early MA sub one shots

Pretty free

Like actual one shots

[stoic needle]

Couldve just sat farm to 226 ilvl

[strange python]

yeah I liked playing against those prot pally/sub rogue 2's comps where you'd blink and you were dead

[shy dust]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/t5vaNR67bqYoL3DWxg4USJ

pretty close

[fallow otter]

Yeh once I get 2.4k I'll bump that high

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gorRjJv4YTyrNRV6XQw7bR

[stoic needle]

Bruh...

[fallow otter]

Wait you got enhance cheats

What is this

[shy dust]

ofc

[stoic needle]

What do you sim as outlaw

[shy dust]

we will soon have an enhancement shaman for reclear

i dont know what i sim as outlaw

[stoic needle]

Well find out

For science purposes

[shy dust]

6.5k as sub

[strange python]

what does enhance shaman even go good with

like arms warrior

[low girder]

[shy dust]

Outlaw

[low girder]

still 2 sockets to get too

[stoic needle]

Bro I sim 5.7k I don't even wanna hear it

[slow marsh]

Must be nice to have 233 weaps amiright

[stoic needle]

Honestly

[low girder]

trinkets are bigger

i think getting a memory gives me like 110 dps

[fallow otter]

The dps I get from wf as monk is actually depressing

[stoic needle]

Yeah a 226 Phial would be 100 dps for me

226 iqd would be 85

[low girder]

can't wait to farm a 220 phial

zz

[stoic needle]

I still don't have ksm

[shy dust]

220 phial will be nice

[low girder]

farming the base item will not be

lol

[shy dust]

true

still havent gotten even a base one

[stoic needle]

I got one a couple of days ago

[low girder]

never tried, for the sake of 20ish dps i preserved my sanity

[stoic needle]

207

[strange python]

the highest DoS run I've done is a +3

i've basically never seen the dungeon before

in my life

I've been running all of the other ones

[stoic needle]

I can't time a DoS to save my fucking life

Pugs cannot do that dungeon properly

[proper wing]

Just dont die

[stoic needle]

Everyone dies to the traps on the way to the ardenweald section

EVERY FUCKING TIME

[strange python]

I never get the key myself and whenever my guildies get DoS keys its on tyrannical weeks and they don't want to run it

so they just run astral keys and pick the non-dos ones

[shy dust]

@stoic needle 6.6k as outlaw basically

[stoic needle]

Damnnnn

Only ~200 behind

📈

[slow marsh]

I just stopped trying to pug m+. Such a nightmare

[low girder]

yeah that's about what it is for me too

[strange python]

how much dps would a 227 fire mage do

[slow marsh]

A million

[low girder]

if it's anything like nya was, way more than their sim

lol

[stoic needle]

I really feel like if more people played sin it wouldn't be bottom on the ladder

Especially if it's that close to sub and OL

[strange python]

hivemind dps charts

get me out of that stupid raid

[low girder]

reasonably sure i outsimmed our fire mages in nya

but that didn't mean shit

[stoic needle]

Cuz you can get close to your sim dps in practice pretty easily as sin

[slow marsh]

Sin baseline logs is better than sub right now but we aren't going to talk about that

[strange python]

nya was just a chore anyway all of the good gear dropped from the last few bosses so the rest of it was just

[slow marsh]

Sin is bad everyone please tell your friends

[strange python]

oh wait im forgetting that sin rogue was good in 8.3

[low girder]

yeah it was

[stoic needle]

So how do mythic guilds usually handle loot I've never been in one

[fallow otter]

Nothing even close to phial aoe is there?

[slow marsh]

Like what you mean

[fallow otter]

Passive

[stoic needle]

Me or stunkei

[slow marsh]

The new ilevel thing makes it hard sometimes but you just rc council it

[low girder]

idk my guild is almost entirely hands-off, if you want to give up an item you click the button in RC

ye

[stoic needle]

Phial is like 2-3% above all the others but flayedwing isn't bad at all

[low girder]

people generally are ok about giving up things they don't need if tradeable

[fallow otter]

Rc loot yep if it drops for you and you need you just keep

[stoic needle]

I see