assassination

[stoic needle]

guess i'm spending all week in plaguefall 15

[balmy condor]

I'm free of double on use as well

[pliant apex]

funny thing is it only shows a 92 dps increase dontr see that big

or is it?

[strange python]

92 is huge

[stoic needle]

that's about as good as it gets

[balmy condor]

yeah that's pretty biggen

[pliant apex]

oh wow ok my b

[strange python]

210 phial is a 10 dps increase for meeeee

Not sure if worth

226 is a juicy 82 though

[misty holly]

I have some doubts about Dungeon Slice.

[wary ice]

dont

any doubts you have about DS are mirrored for patchwerk, you're just ignoring them there

do the same for dslice

its a tool to give a metric

its your job to interpret it

[misty holly]

I mean specifically talking about lead by example

[balmy condor]

it's the same APL

[misty holly]

I expected dungeon slice to give emni a bigger boost, since more bone spike casts against trash

it didnt.. it was less even

[balmy condor]

yes, that makes sense

[fair stag]

hey guys... is there an accurate opener with MA talent?

[balmy condor]

mut snd mut

[strange python]

^

[fair stag]

awesome thanks man

[feral merlin]

Oh shoot you're right!

[strange python]

[misty holly]

Heirmir seems better then, slightly ahead in dps on my sim (though so little it wont be noticeable) but that is while using 2 endurance conduits, and with a temporary cheat death power.

[balmy condor]

correct

marrowed gemstone is very strong

should be reflected in the pins I think

[misty holly]

Im gonna miss the kidneystone 😭

[feral merlin]

Would it be used passively or would we adjust rotation around it? seems pretty hard to "use" it vs just let it happen

[balmy condor]

you let it happen

[coral imp]

!bis

[prisma monolith]

Whispyrs Bis list: http://tiny.cc/76r5tz

[snow arch]

Gemstone is nice with zold

I wonder if it procs early with MA

[hushed marlin]

I’m Trying to sim some sin stuff and apparently my gear is so bad for sin that MA is better than zold?

[balmy condor]

MA is a fairly good legendary

it sims higher for some people

not too uncommon

[hushed marlin]

Most of my gear is vers but I’ve been trying to hang onto some haste stuff in the last few weeks

So following the sim zold is lower, I should maybe hold off crafting it?

[balmy condor]

it still gives you a better damage profile, if you're into that

and there's a good chance it will sim higher with different gear

usually more haste means MA loses value

haste doesn't affect those burst windows as much

[hushed marlin]

Yeah my haste is not that high

Get about 200+ from rings, got some on pants this week. And I have that dark moon card in my bank

[frozen jasper]

anyone on 31+ renown already and tested korayn in m+ ?

[stoic needle]

Gonna try to run some keys this evening with it

[frozen jasper]

nice, let me know what you think, i'm EU ill be getting it tomorrow

[balmy condor]

it's a little overhyped imo

[stoic needle]

Anything that makes fok actually give us some goddamn cp is welcome in my book

[frozen jasper]

absolutely

[hushed marlin]

As someone that hasn’t actually played sim since poison bomb was new, are there any simple little things to play it right? So far I basically know to keep up garrote/rupture, use shiv and envenom in the shiv window

[stoic needle]

You want to try to avoid refreshing SnD during shiv

[hushed marlin]

Snd of course as well

[frozen jasper]

i think he meant 'and'

[stoic needle]

Ohh

Lol my phone autocorrects SND to and, funny to see the opposite

[hushed marlin]

It drives me crazy lol

[frozen jasper]

was confusing it for snd first too

[hushed marlin]

So many normal convos in text and I type snd all the time

[stoic needle]

If you're night fae, shiv boosts sepsis damage

Other than that tbh almost all of the optimization this tier is learning the fight timings and when it's beneficial to refresh dots and and early because of mechanics

Ahhhh see!!

[hushed marlin]

So snd, garrote, rupture. Sepsis before shiv into envenoms

[stoic needle]

Yup

[frozen jasper]

yeah thats the basics

[hushed marlin]

Hopefully it works out well. I love sub but seeing it start to trail every week is sad. I’ll always have pvp

[balmy condor]

We live by a quote here

From kojiyama

[frozen jasper]

i even get compliments for my dmg as rogue in m+ cause nobody expects me to do something lmao

[stoic needle]

Right?

'wow I had no idea sin rogues could do damage'

[hushed marlin]

I mean my sub dmg isn’t bad but makes me wonder what I can do with sin. Dmg every 30 seconds 😭

[stoic needle]

'i should start inviting more rogues to pugs'

[frozen jasper]

for real mate, its funny

also tried NW today with MA that shit is bonkers

[stoic needle]

This group was absolutely dumbfounded when I didn't need anyone to soak krixis' charge with evasion

They're like 'BRO THAT WAS SO SICK'

Like, I'll take it I guess

[frozen jasper]

yeah feels good to get complimented

but the reason for the compliment is just they thought rogues are absolute shit

[stoic needle]

I guess I should upgrade MA this week so I can push higher NWs, that dungeon is kinda free

Using anything but zoldy as sin just feels wrong

[frozen jasper]

well the key i tried it in was a +8 so i dont know for higher keys ^^ did my +15 NW normally with zold this week

[spice spire]

I'm still looking for pants

[hushed marlin]

I wish I could just make zold but that sim

[spice spire]

also got the SLH trinket this week, so L

[stoic needle]

It's even better at high keys

Literally, two shotted stitchflesh with spear + hammer without MA

Imagine with those 100% critting

[frozen jasper]

oh i didnt know that, thats insane

[stoic needle]

And now you don't lose weapons on death

[frozen jasper]

do the things more dmg the higher the key gets ?

[stoic needle]

Literally free dungeon

I think so

[buoyant mauve]

omg I fucking love first strike

[frozen jasper]

wow

and the CP generation with MA was also very nice in every mob pack

[clever stream]

how does it fair compared to burs?

[stoic needle]

You could be a one key a week gamer with 1 nw15 every week and be pretty geared lol

[frozen jasper]

you'd think they nerf it cause it's actually op

[stoic needle]

https://tenor.com/view/rainn-wilson-shh-secret-prank-gif-17131726

MDI approved

Well they did nerf it actually

The weapons don't do full damage to everyone anymore

They used to do 100% of their damage to everything they hit, now the dmg scales with pull size

But they're still good enough to trivialize the worst parts of the dungeon

[frozen jasper]

i'm guessing if more ppl use it in NW theyll add a timer to the weapons or smth

[hushed marlin]

I wish I knew what you were all talking about lol

[frozen jasper]

but maybe they just leave it as it is

[stoic needle]

You'll grow into zoldyck

[frozen jasper]

would be fair i guess, given what other classes can do with convoke and shit

[stoic needle]

Soon you'll be a 20%+ haste gamer

[hushed marlin]

My problem is that I’m basically all 213 gear, 85% pvp gear

[stoic needle]

That's not a problem

You just have to get the haste/vers gear

Kinda sucks If you're already conquest capped though

[hushed marlin]

I need do more mythical but I hate trying to find groups

[stoic needle]

Almost all of my gear is the conquest gear

[tranquil robin]

Same

[stoic needle]

Pugging is s u f f e r i n g

[hushed marlin]

Yeah I still need chest/gloves for conq gear but almost through it

[stoic needle]

Just friend request every tank you run with that's good

And pray they invite you to groups

When I figure out how to get an actual push group together I'll let you know

[frozen jasper]

the thing is, half of the tanks in pugs dont know what they are doing

[hushed marlin]

Tank is carried by healer, healer is carried by dps, dps is carried by tank

[frozen jasper]

the cycle of life

or is it cicle i dont know

[balmy condor]

Cycle

[frozen jasper]

thank you chef

whisp hows that 226 phial feeling ?

[balmy condor]

I’ll let you know when I actually play

[frozen jasper]

alright 😄 i was lucky and got that one last week, helped me so much

[balmy condor]

Any English esssy writers in chat?

[frozen jasper]

i can try, but would be better of with german lol

[native marten]

what slot should i craft zoldyck on and what secondary stats

[balmy condor]

Yeah I had to do that in grade school

[balmy condor]

Legs haste + crit/vers

[native marten]

ty

[hushed marlin]

Oh vers is good for sin? I kinda assumed it would be haste crit

[balmy condor]

Crit and vers are around the same value

[frozen jasper]

good night guys, pray for a good vault tomorrow

[balmy condor]

[hushed marlin]

Then I’m in better shape than I thought beside haste. All my gear is vers

Your vault is going to rock tomorrow. This was the first vault in 6 weeks I didn’t get a pvp trinket

[wet heron]

I hate to be that guy but I need to ask about the vault choice, should I just straight up trust the sim? it's telling me a 213 chain trinket to a 226 phial of putrefaction is more dps increase thatn 207 weapon to 223 weapon

[iron orchid]

Seems legit to me

[balmy condor]

Yeah that seems right

[iron orchid]

You'll get more chance to get high lvl weapons than a 226 phial

[tawdry pawn]

I would always pick phial instead of weapon

[stoic needle]

Personally I'd take the phial any day

[tawdry pawn]

its easier to get weapon than a phial ;d

[wet heron]

i just thought weapon dmg is always priority

[stoic needle]

You can pvp for a weapon

[wet heron]

ok, thanks guys, clicking that phial button, appreciate it

[stoic needle]

EVERYONE IS GETTING PHIALS THIS WEEK EXCEPT ME

[hushed marlin]

I didn’t

[tawdry pawn]

I will see in 10 hours ;d

got 226 226 and 223 this week

missing one 14+ for another 226 but fuck that

[dusky vault]

I got a trinket from my vault too

It's just terrible

[hushed marlin]

I’m kind of excited to try sin. I feel like I pay so much attention to dance windows in sun that I miss mechanics. Hoping I can change that with sin

[stoic needle]

I just wish that you couldn't get an item from the vault that you already have equipped unless it's an ilvl upgrade

It's so frustrating

[hushed marlin]

I got 7 pvp trinkets in a row, 2 in the same vault 1 week

[stoic needle]

I got 220 stone legion heraldry in a pug and then again in the vault

And the same wep 3 weeks in a row

[iron orchid]

I got no weapons in the vault since the beginning of SL

[tawdry pawn]

I got 4 of them last week

xD

[stoic needle]

Gotta ride the rbg train to 2200

[tawdry pawn]

I stuck at 2k rbg

its seems like a wall that cant be passed by random groups

[fossil slate]

I'm stuck at 0 rbg 🙃

[stoic needle]

Sounds about right

I'm still at 1600

I need to push to 1800

[hushed marlin]

I just want to break 1800 but my confidence is not high

[tawdry pawn]

I hit form like 1600 to 2k in 3 days

[stoic needle]

Wtf

[tawdry pawn]

and another 3 days im hard stucking on that 2k xD

[iron orchid]

Imma got to sleep and hope for a good 226 weapon tomorrow

[hushed marlin]

I’d rather be hard stuck at 2k than below 1800 lol

[fossil slate]

I've got to commit to the YOLO groups to actually get some ranking in pvp at some point 😂

[tawdry pawn]

yeah but 2,1 bruh 226 ;c

[hushed marlin]

213

[stoic needle]

May your weapon be 226 with haste

[tawdry pawn]

im gonna pray for phial ;-;

[stoic needle]

I bless thee with my triple weapon energy

[tawdry pawn]

u mean like this one?

[stoic needle]

🤢

utlaw

[tawdry pawn]

both actually

but m+ only outlaw

I was trying assasin but im dumb for it I guess

XD

[stoic needle]

Sin all day every day

All content

[tawdry pawn]

noone would pick me for rbg as sin ;c

[iron orchid]

I'm getting more stressed out on higher keys right now and i struggle a lot, but i guess the tornadoes did not help

[tawdry pawn]

and last time I went for key as sin I depleted it with my 3k overall XDD

but its super fun on torghast and raids

[tranquil robin]

My sin is only around 200 ilvl, cant get into anything lmao

[tawdry pawn]

btw how u go with sockets

u use that one old gem with +7 agi?

or just secondary straight away

[violet token]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[stoic needle]

Not really true tbh people don't care what spec you are for rbg

[tawdry pawn]

they care in my groups ;/

[stoic needle]

That's stupid

Sin is fine for rbg

[tawdry pawn]

yeah

sub is just a lil bit better

u can be better cc bot

xD

[eternal portal]

anyone played with mechanikos trait that gives haste in the last row hammer of genesis or how its called?

[violet token]

gonna try and switch from sub. where should i try and get my haste before i make the jump?

[molten olive]

Sin so good at flag carier harassment

[slow marsh]

!bis

[prisma monolith]

Whispyrs Bis list: http://tiny.cc/76r5tz

[honest silo]

Dumb question, now that we have first strike do I still run Subterfuge for M+?

[balmy condor]

yes

[honest silo]

cool, ty!

I don't know why I thought maybe MA works with this but then just remembered that the 3 empowered garrotes are better there

[dusky vault]

Garrotes dots still crit so first strike doesn't change anything

[tawdry pawn]

https://www.wowhead.com/news=320848/the-return-of-valor-points-in-9-0-5-upgradable-mythic-gear

phial for everyone!

[honest lake]

U think that any class will change covenant for the changes?

[balmy condor]

there are no changes atm

[strange python]

well thats not phial for everyone, you still have to find a phial first

then start upgrading it

you dont get to pick and choose gear to buy

[karmic cedar]

There is one Flagellation note, but it's not clear if it's a replacement, addition, or something not currently used

[strange python]

with that system

[karmic cedar]

NEW Flagellation   Lash the target for (100% of Attack power) Shadow damage, increasing the range of your melee attacks by 6 yards for 10 sec.

[fallow notch]

Thats actually pretty neat! Still baffled that that is literally the only change they made. Or is it too early to cry

[hollow escarp]

so did assa get any changes or it's just text?

[tawdry pawn]

Yeah but u can farm it as much as u want

now u need to pray for vault drop

[balmy condor]

Wait until people can test shit to see if datamining is accurate

[hushed marlin]

if i'm using MA, I feel like I should something that isn't first strike

[balmy condor]

Yeah probably

Herbs is really good

[hushed marlin]

but I use herbs I can't use sin conduits because niya is my sub pvp tree 😦

[hollow escarp]

it's blue post

[balmy condor]

the flag change?

[hollow escarp]

wait, thought you were talking about the valor loot

[balmy condor]

I was referencing the shortcut guy

the valor stuff is blue post

so that's fien

[hollow escarp]

glad my 184 vial has leech on it so I can upgrade it

oh no

avoidance/leech/speed sets

[stoic needle]

Ma is still good even with first strike

[fleet anchor]

Maybe they finally implemented this 🙂

[stoic needle]

[hushed marlin]

i mean you get 1 extra second of crit i guess

[fleet anchor]

Lying tooltips begone!

[stoic needle]

You can keep refreshing it after that

[hollow escarp]

if you have more ads

[oblique flare]

where are the ptr notes :0 ?

[hollow escarp]

https://www.wowhead.com/news=320845/shadowlands-patch-9-0-5-ptr-class-and-spell-changes-covenant-conduit-and-class-t?webhook

[hushed marlin]

oooh thats right, its not from stealth. durrr

[stoic needle]

You don't hit them all immediately during the MA window with subterfuge

You still triple garotte

Which is 3 gcds

[fleet anchor]

Yes until you use an AoE ability you'll keep getting refreshes

[hushed marlin]

yeah I see where we are going. I wasn't reading it

[oblique flare]

pogu, blizzard not completely sleeping?

back from their christmas holidays?

[hollow escarp]

do I have a wrong link?

where did you guys see that?

[stoic needle]

If this flag rework ends up good I might be going back home to venthyr

If they lower the cooldown a bit it could be pretty legit

[drifting light]

What r they trying to achieve with the range increase tho?

[oblique flare]

all we need now is for them to pull the ripcord and remove conduit energy

[stoic needle]

It allows you to avoid mechanics

And still do dps

[hollow escarp]

so the change should be on tooltip?

[stoic needle]

Don't get me wrong it's weird as shit and doesn't fit venthyr at all

[hollow escarp]

I can copy a venthyr rogue now

[stoic needle]

But anything is better than current flag

[drifting light]

Indeed

[stoic needle]

I'm gonna submit some feedback on the forums I think

[sly elk]

I can never read these notes proper. It’s always so confusing

[drifting light]

Think they get cleaned up

[oblique flare]

https://tenor.com/9644.gif

[sly elk]

Part of me wonders if our dashing scoundrel works with the venthyr poison

[stoic needle]

Conduit buffs plz

[shy dust]

You know

[hollow escarp]

so I have a wrong link

[shy dust]

Maybe just maybe

[stoic needle]

That venthyr poison is the old ability that doesn't exist anymore

[shy dust]

There will be more changes

And more builds with more changes

[oblique flare]

WHEN

[sly elk]

Ah. See this is what’s so confusing lol. I can never tell what’s old or new or removed

[oblique flare]

[shy dust]

Dude it’s literally day 0 of the PTR going live

[stoic needle]

https://tenor.com/view/igotstoknow-barney-himym-gif-4981987

[sly elk]

I haven’t felt this out of place since I realized bone spike bleed doesn’t count for our energy gains

Which I mean.... why doesn’t it come on blizz. 😦

[spice spire]

Massacre poison

[hushed sphinx]

We got valor points now bring back shrouded suffocation you cowards

[balmy condor]

Hey guys wowhead posting PTR changes, do we have new sims, is the flag change in, does sin scale, are there new mounts, are there more rogue changes? where are the rogue changes? can you tell me if rogue will be good? Will sin get more buffs? Does rank 2 poison work? Does my mom love me? Can you do my taxes? Can you tell me the meaning of life? What is my name? Where am I?

[sinful cradle]

Someones going to lose their mind the next few days i see

[spice spire]

What is the meaning of life tho

[drifting light]

Srsly tho is flag change in?

[balmy condor]

So it is death you want

[drifting light]

[rotund stone]

i would expect with the state of all rogue specs that all the cov abilities will be changed in some aspect.

[balmy condor]

literally just fucking wait

[reef axle]

Too soon to say, but maybe the rise of venthyr rogues over night fae lol

[balmy condor]

like 2 weeks

they said the patch is slated for march

[drifting light]

Just glad they finally looking into that clusterfuck of a spell

[balmy condor]

and people be here, start of february like GUYS ARE THE CHANGE CAN I DO I IS IT

[sly elk]

I’m just gonna stay necrolord forever 😐

[oblique flare]

guys, SIN WILL SCALE WITH PTR

guys, so, ptr post is out, NF or Kyrian still bis or do we go now venthyr necro?

[sly elk]

At this point I can’t take the “Will you truly betray your trusting allies to join us?” And I just can’t :’(

Plus I just like the combo of bonesmith + scoundrel too much. It’s such dumb fun

[stoic needle]

Does this mean venthyr best sin covenant now?

[sly elk]

Time will tell is what I’m gathering

[stoic needle]

I highly doubt it, the venthyr soulbinds are still shit

[sly elk]

Isn’t the euphoria thing still decent for assassin?

Haste steroids and all

[balmy condor]

not strong enough to matter

[stoic needle]

No it's not because it procs during a mechanic half the time

[sly elk]

Hmm

[stoic needle]

Built for war is an absolute joke

Soothing shade is kinda meh because you will have to move out of it

[hybrid tide]

how much does it matter which hand has celestial and which has sinful? i'd like to be able to swap between outlaw and sin when needed, but not re-enchant my dagger each time.

[stoic needle]

But at least it procs when you use a damaging ability and not just randomly

[sly elk]

I don’t think it does? I might be wrong but I’m pretty sure neither really relies on being MH

[hybrid tide]

that's kind of what i'm assuming, but guides for both specs want celestial on mh, but i'm just not sure why that is.

[sly elk]

I find celestial to be better overall for general use personally, so I tend to stick that on the highest dagger and use that between specs

Highest dagger tends to be MH so that might be why

[balmy condor]

doesn't matter which hand its on, since the proc rate is the same regardless

its a buff, it doesn't scale with damage or anything

[stoic needle]

I want to give lightless force another shot

Now that I'm more used to the dungeons

[copper lotus]

what stat does feast give us

crit?

[oblique flare]

agility

[copper lotus]

o

is that better than crit/haste food

[oblique flare]

agility is overall better

[balmy condor]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/0CnXcRR1

[sly elk]

I like lightless when I’m using combat, but I don’t know as assassin. I kinda wish we had better AoE so maybe it would help some but based on my other numbers it doesn’t look like it’s pulling much

[drowsy hollow]

No flagellation buffs. 😦

[stoic needle]

Did you not see the near complete rework?

[sly elk]

Is that a buff?

I thought current flag was better

[stoic needle]

Current flag is almost certainly worse

The extra effect is weird but there's still time to change it lol

[drowsy hollow]

it didn't seem changed on the ptr?

[stoic needle]

It still has 2 gcds and does 0 dmg on the ptr?

[drowsy hollow]

let me check before finishing ksm on my druid

PTR makes my head hurt with the oribos glitch

Flagellation unchnaged on ptr, negligible damage on use

[sharp orchid]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[drowsy hollow]

yeah, ptr flagellation unchanged

[stoic needle]

weird

[viral iris]

recommended to run crimson tempest on fights like stone legion or Sire D? or stick with PB

[lost igloo]

Stick with poison 💣

[hushed marlin]

does shiv not show up on logs?

i see so many logs and a bunch dont show any casts of shivs on fights

[cinder nymph]

correct

blame blizzard

[balmy condor]

shiv casts aren't tracked by combat log

[hushed marlin]

so i'm following this opener of garrote-mut-rup-mut-snd-ven-sep-vanish-envenom (using MA). when do I shiv?

[balmy condor]

you would gar mut snd mut rup vend sep shiv mut vanish envenom mut enven

or you could shiv vanish mut enven mut

either way

[hushed marlin]

sounds good, thanks!

[knotty heron]

How is Si ndoing since buff?

Also, which potency would I use with burrs?

[balmy condor]

its comparable to sub, slightly weaker in single target, stronger on cleave

[balmy condor]

sim, usually wps

[hushed marlin]

cleave is just maining rupture on both targets, multi garrote whne you can?

[knotty heron]

on Cleave - is crimson tempest good?>

or stick with bomb?

[balmy condor]

if it's sustained, tempest

[buoyant mauve]

I got memory to drop just now, was worried I would have to go back to 2X on use with dreadfire but no, memory somehow is a 23 dps increase over it with my chain

[balmy condor]

wouldn't take it on huntsman for example

but if huntsman had like, 3-4 targets constantly, take it

[buoyant mauve]

oh I'm dumb, dfv was nm version

[knotty heron]

ok that makes sense

[summer horizon]

!bis

[prisma monolith]

Whispyrs Bis list: http://tiny.cc/76r5tz

[deft vault]

if i have memory and skulkers which one do i wanna use first?

memory?

[balmy condor]

yes

you want to stack that with your guild

so with your cooldowns

[deft vault]

like only 1 has it lol

[balmy condor]

that's more than 0

[trim zinc]

Dashing scoundrel is good for pvp and pve??

and doomblade?

[stoic needle]

dashing is pretty terrible for pvp

and kinda meh for PVE

doomblade is pretty decent for PVP and kind average for pve

[stoic needle]

assassination mastery now affects SBS 🤔

[balmy condor]

yeah I'll make a pin

9.0.5 Stuff
SBS mastery + instant buff needs simming.
CTTC is ~3%
Dusk/Flag changes have potential (see other sims)
Cut to the chase is back (auto-snd refresh)
Doomblade buff seems strong for single target but remains bugged
R2 snd removal and VW buff balance each other out

[stone epoch]

I’ve only seen one other necro assassin

But I’m happy at least

[spice spire]

Bone spike interaction

[stoic needle]

if only it counted for VW

and if only the necro mog wasn't shit

[spice spire]

At least it isn’t as OP as it was on beta.

[stoic needle]

maybe i'm biased but i feel like even un-nerfed sbs wouldn't have been as bad as some of the other class's covenant abilities

[copper lotus]

is a snapshotted garrote just a garrote under subterfuge

[stoic needle]

or nightstalker, but yes

[copper lotus]

k

second question

how tf do you not max out on energy during lust

lol

a lust on pull puts me so behind on it

[stoic needle]

don't worry about it

[copper lotus]

aight

[stoic needle]

just focus on doing something every GCD

[copper lotus]

wowanalyzer just has me doing that wrong and i have a feeling that is one of it

granted, i am still doing legendary parses per ilevel

but i figured i'd ask anyways

[stoic needle]

wowanalyzer is bad

it hasn't been updated for rogues in a few expansions

[copper lotus]

would you take a look at a log and see if there are any glaring mistakes?

[stoic needle]

ilvl parses don't really mean much either

sure

[copper lotus]

other than the obvious one that i realized i made a vanish window do wrong

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Zjrk9JvtWMaFf6HP/#fight=last&type=damage-done

i just did this

[deft vault]

Rank 3 Mythic Shriekwing Coming for peen ass once i get zoldyck

[copper lotus]

noice

[stoic needle]

your first vanish was a little bit late, you let SnD drop off around 1:00, and i think you missed a couple sepsis casts

other than that looks good

[copper lotus]

kk

when should first vanish be?

on first falloff of garrote?

@stoic needle

[deft vault]

when garrote gets in pandemic windows you can vanish

[copper lotus]

kk

thought so

thank you

[primal gazelle]

has anyone done keys as assa? how is it? 14 ish keys

[balmy condor]

It’s about as good as sub

Depending on the key, probably better

[primal gazelle]

tried assa in a +14 mist

FOK feels terrible without high crit

takes me 3-4 globals to get the cp to cast a finisher lol

yuck

garrote giving 1 cp is kinda lame a well

[balmy condor]

that's part of the reason why we don't cast fok until 4 targets

[primal gazelle]

i mean even at 5 targets, avg 20% crit rate youre only gonna get 1 crit per 5 mob on average

which is very low

[balmy condor]

yup

[shy dust]

Maléfic rupture esque spell

That sin would use on aoe would be so nice

[strange python]

This is why I asked why stat prio is now haste>crit for m+

[balmy condor]

what does that have to do with it

a majority of your damage is dots

haste increases that damage more

crit is more important

but it doesn't overtake a lot of the time

[strange python]

because it seems like your cp generation is bad..?

4+ packs in bfa I could have ruptures and garrotes on 5 mobs in the time it takes for me to do 2 here lmfao

[balmy condor]

sure

but just because cp generation is bad, doesn't mean that crit is instantly the best stat

it's the same reason why sin can be good at 40 apm

when there's specs at 60

those two things are not connected

they can all be true

[edgy pawn]

is the mastery buff to sbs live in raidbots nightly?

[balmy condor]

no

its 9.0.5 changes

not live

the patch won't be out for another month

[edgy pawn]

ah, thought it's live, my bad

thanks

[thorn fjord]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[errant delta]

So bit of advice i got dredfire trinket 220 and shoulder's 220 in my box with 1 should i take like take? Like should i take the trink cus you'll get shoulder's from m+ as a example?

[balmy condor]

you won't get any 220 from m+

dreadfire is a very good pick

but it'll come down to what sims better tbh

[iron orchid]

@stoic needle no weapons but hey, another phial x)

I wanna die

[shy dust]

You’re an awful person

And you should know it

[lament dove]

so is quantum device a sim trap? I can choose between it and a haste dagger (both 226) from vault, I have 216/220 trinkets and 226/207 weapons and I'm considering rather going with the dagger

[low girder]

Trade you the phial for the anima battery stygia that I got

[balmy condor]

it's not really a sim trap, but if you're scared, you can change the setting

[stoic needle]

https://tenor.com/view/pirate-jealous-sad-watch-look-at-gif-4699086

I'll trade you for the weapon in my vault

I did a key with first strike, it feels really good. Still didn't time it because it was dos and my group was pepega

[iron orchid]

Dos tyrannical weeks with people than only know how to burst aoe

always the same shit

[tribal marlin]

Guys I think Assa rogue is a very good PI target, especially during execute

We need to convice theim

[balmy condor]

it's a good target

[tribal marlin]

DK is pb the best during their cooldown but it's 4mn

[iron orchid]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ax4UUCY9Eu9NMTynR2SMAZ
It's over 6 thousand

[hollow escarp]

got a 3 ilvl upgrade

at least I got weapons 3 weeks in a row

[tribal marlin]

Soon or later we'll see 3 Arms + Enh with PI'd all over the place comps

for insane execute niches

[hollow escarp]

it's fine, we don't need to raid anymore

we can just do M+

ohh wait

[gray bobcat]

!bis

[prisma monolith]

Whispyrs Bis list: http://tiny.cc/76r5tz

[frosty mist]

is assas better than sub now after the recent 3% buff? i am looking to learn another spec other than outlaw

[balmy condor]

its about equal in m+

and slightly worse in single target

but if the sub rogue has to move, sin is better

[autumn shoal]

Hello there, I just read the venthyr change. It mean that the current abilities with the haste is going to dispear on 9.0.5 or it’s just a new effect of flag? Thanks

[balmy condor]

we don't know

[frosty mist]

so i presume that sub will still be slightly ahead for raid

[balmy condor]

yes

[frosty mist]

thanks for the tip

[tropic bramble]

going mythic castle narnia as sin tonight. any tips for Huntsman Altimor?

[balmy condor]

maintain on both dogs

cloak the dot

[alpine garden]

223 stabber achieved \o/

[vestal wren]

wait a moment

i just realized that the 5% buff to assassination was the 3rd aura buff not the 2nd

[balmy condor]

yes

5% 8% 5%

[vestal wren]

i just realized because i was about to update assassination on my spreadsheet

and was like:
wait a moment, i didn't update for 5% yet and it had 5% prior O.o

[balmy condor]

yuh

[vestal wren]

neverless letme quick check if the sbs and ip changes are in simc so that we see necrolord flying

@marble hemlock did know that they would change necrolord to work with assassination mastery
he did 200iq play it

[marble hemlock]

:)

[balmy condor]

with how little impact covenant abilities have

It's gonna not even be noticable tbh

[vestal wren]

we will know soon™️

atm trying to catch up with ptr and simc changes

[balmy condor]

the flag thing is the weirdest to me

is it a placeholder

or a full rework

or an added thing

[hollow escarp]

Well, most things are datamining, no official patch notes yet, right?

[balmy condor]

correct

[hollow escarp]

Big sin buffs inc

[ornate lake]

Barely any rogue changes 9.0.5 compared to other classes though 😦

[balmy condor]

it's literally the first set of datamining from a patch that isn't out for a month

hold out on your pitchforks for a while

[ornate lake]

Yeah true

[hollow escarp]

Tbf, rogues got this treatment in beta so I can see the concern

[balmy condor]

so did most other classes too

not every class can be boomy or spriest and get 6 reworks

[ornate lake]

with 31 renown is mikonos worth running in M+ / raids as assa?

[balmy condor]

sim it

my sims still show pelagos higher

[cosmic trail]

Im pretty proud of myself

[balmy condor]

but it's very possible that with your gear, mikanikos can win

[torn atlas]

the Flag change is confusing. I don't see how it is better.

[waxen elk]

!bis

[prisma monolith]

Whispyrs Bis list: http://tiny.cc/76r5tz

[ornate lake]

Hmmm mikonos only increase in DS. Makes sense with many targets

[gentle gyro]

eeeey, skulker wing in the vault

can finally replace the DMD

[torn atlas]

fire and forget is nice I guess, the damage is essentially down 80% of AP, the extended reach is 10sec, so kinda feels limited in usefulness. Surely it'll change. Doesnt mention cooldown length which I guess could make a difference but not by much

[vestal wren]

oh wait, the changes from #tc-updates are only for ptr?

[balmy condor]

yes

[vestal wren]

meh (so no reason to re-run everything)

neverless, nice changes

[sweet zealot]

is it a major change

[balmy condor]

no

it's just a 50-60 dps gain to necrolord

and a QoL change

[sweet zealot]

ah nvm then...

[balmy condor]

also MA not working on trinkets/nw tools

is huge

[raven egret]

stealth poison finally works

gj bliz

[sweet zealot]

oh yea

MA was class-wide

good thing I never crafted it 😏

[valid herald]

how is assa nowadays compared to sub in single target?

[vestal wren]

this one is a weird fix tho

[balmy condor]

slightly behind

we bring execute though

[vestal wren]

because all blizz would need to do to fix it is to change a flag iirc

and yet they added a new spell

[valid herald]

and i assume assa is also still behind outlaw in m+?

[balmy condor]

yes

[vestal wren]

assassination has good cleave and single target

[balmy condor]

well, not sure I would call the single target "good"

😛

[torn atlas]

It's easier to sustain ST damage though right?

[balmy condor]

yes

sin is a more forgiving, and generally easier spec

[vestal wren]

i mean yes

assassination is 2% below subtlety on pure st

i would argue thats not a lot

[balmy condor]

well the question is, is sub single target good

[vestal wren]

thats a very valid question

[valid herald]

when would you play assa in m+ over outlaw at the moment? 🤔

[torn atlas]

when you dont enjoy being a pirate

[balmy condor]

yeh

the only reason not to is because you like sin more than outlaw

[valid herald]

fair enough 🙂

[vestal wren]

and the answer is:
it depends.
If we look at the simc chart its 11/24 what does seem good
if we look even close only 4 of the specs above are significant higher what would at least simulation wise make it look very good.

but its hard to say how well everyone is represented on this chart

so its not a super reliable metric

(like rogue is def. very reasonable implemented, profiles and apl are well optimized. I have no idea about everyone else)

affliction not even top 10 single target is def. sus

[raven egret]

frost 7.4 wh

[valid herald]

got a link for the stuff you just screenshotted above?

[vestal wren]

sure

[balmy condor]

https://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/T26_Raid.html

[valid herald]

thx

[vestal wren]

you have it bookmarked or a macro?
or was i just to slow

[balmy condor]

I have a chrome window dedicated to sim stuff

also I'm a green boy

it's my job to be fast

[agile oriole]

How fast? 😉

[iron orchid]

I hope with ptr also comes the time of CT granting alacrity stacks

Which is not yet the case

[vestal wren]

oh wow now i feel bad for my text file collection with simc apl stuff ^^

but i also put every link i need to post often in a bot command

[balmy condor]

fastest hand in the west

[verbal mantle]

can confirm

[winter gale]

Next patch will most likely give us 2nd leggo to equipp?

[balmy condor]

No

[vestal wren]

next raid will most likely give us tier sets

nothing else is confirmed so far

[raven egret]

we probably dont get 2 leges till the end of the expac

if even then

[vestal wren]

i assume 3rd raid

[daring pecan]

I definitely know that mages don't have a working APL outside of patchwerk

ah, that isn't dslice

thought it was dslice

[vestal wren]

i know they have some issues with more targets, i am not sure to what extend that is

but its not because they lack man power,
they have like 4? times the amount of people working on the module/apl that rogue has

its just that they don't care iirc

[daring pecan]

they're evaluating multi-target damage through 4-5 target patchwerk 40s

maybe they don't care since they only need to evaluate single target patchwerk, since their aoe damage is dummy high anyway

[vestal wren]

i in general would advice everyone to go with what their class discord suggests

i can talk quite openly about it, the problem rly is how good the theorycrafting is for the spec/class

[daring pecan]

it was just very awkward to go from rogue discord to mage discord and see that I can only work with patchwerk to see what would work "better" for m+

[vestal wren]

so how much time/effort is put into optimizing apl,
correcting implementation mistake, ....

e.g. talking about dungeon slice

there is no reason that it is bad for any spec in the game

but if a specific spec is not optimizing for add events it will make the result a lot worse

because it would mean that the sim wouldn't:

• hold cooldowns for adds
• snipe adds if there is a possibility for that
• apply over time effects only if they are damage wins

also i know for a fact that certain classes don't have the man power to go over a certain standard

e.g. warriors are looking for contributors for a long time to my knowlage

[raven egret]

mage has like way more people than rogue

yet our apls and resources are way better

👀

[balmy condor]

That’s cause our craniums are swollen out of our skull

Fuu’s brain actually has so many wrinkles, the wrinkles have wrinkles

[raven egret]

lmao

[daring pecan]

and those wrinkles have muscles

[vestal wren]

mystler and koji contribute as much or partly even more than i do

so i would just say we have 3 good active contributors

also there are some people who do look at the apl every now and then outside of us 3

[daring pecan]

I would honestly love to look and work over the mage dslice apl but my god, do I not want to work on an apl

[balmy condor]

Young shiv god XxVaughn69xX

[upbeat gyro]

Hey there, I know that stat weights are supposed to change based on the gear you get, but as Assassination would have to prioritize haste, then are these stat weights from sim good? Usually I kinda get the feeling where SimulationCraft gives me very weird results

[raven egret]

forget stats

[vestal wren]

guy/lok still look at reroll logic sometimes
i think whispyr did some experiments with the assassination apl
and a lot of individuals that did maybe not a lot but also some small suggestion/apl change and contributed

[balmy condor]

Just top gear

And never touch stat weights again

Honestly useless unless you’re doing some stat evaluation

[vestal wren]

its rly not that bad, its just logical programming (so rather easy to read/write)

[pseudo hamlet]

It's official guys... I am switching back to Assa:

[balmy condor]

I look at sin a lot, but it hasn’t changed in 7 years so there’s nothing to optimize

[vestal wren]

the main issue with apl optimization is how time intensive it is

[balmy condor]

Barren wasteland of gains

[daring pecan]

I don't have a problem with like... looking at it and debugging (since that's basically my job)

[vestal wren]

i remember some changes i did to the apl at the start of bfa

[daring pecan]

but doing any programming myself? never, hate it with a passion

[pseudo hamlet]

The ~30DPS is not big enough to make me play Sub, which is harder and requires bigger uptime on the boss.

[balmy condor]

Yeah there was some azerite stuff

[vestal wren]

my biggest change was to improve the aoe of the apl by a lot

comming into bfa

[balmy condor]

I wasn’t around during bfa

Wouldve helped

[vestal wren]

but mystler did also a lot of cleanup after my change

[balmy condor]

Well, I was around, I just wasn’t active in here

[vestal wren]

to make it look nice and easy to read

and we sucessively found other improvement comming from that

[plain onyx]

What is this addon called ?

[vestal wren]

its just normal tbh, if you find a bottleneck you often open up for new/additional optimization

[balmy condor]

Gottagofast

[vestal wren]

i however don't think that any of the 3 apl's has any bottleneck since forever :/

[balmy condor]

I honestly thought there would be something after azerite removal in aoe

But I think koji beat me to it

Cause I couldn’t find shit

[vestal wren]

the last change i did was to add ct from stealth with ns

if i remember correct

seli did point it out so i looked into it

(it wasn't a super big gain tho)

[balmy condor]

I did bone spike and ambush stuff

Which basically just ended up being master assassin checks

Oh and subterfuge things too

[vestal wren]

oh ye, i did the inital bonespike condition

[balmy condor]

But none of those were anything big

[vestal wren]

well rather the "first optimization"

whats the condition currently, i am not sure if there where a lot of changes

[balmy condor]

Dunno, I’m on my phone

Router is acting up so I just went to bed

[vestal wren]

# Fan of Knives at 19+ stacks of Hidden Blades or against 4+ targets.```

thats a lot bigger than i remember it

[balmy condor]

Yeah, I added the master assassin check

Because it was casting from vanishes/stealth

I think koji might’ve done the fractional things?

Or maybe mystler?

[vestal wren]

oh ye the 2 things added was the lead by example stuff
and the ma optimizations

[raven egret]

would be cool to get into simc stuff since I program a bit but seems like some wrinkle brain stuff

[vestal wren]

i did the fractional stuff ^^

[balmy condor]

Oh did you

Nice

I can’t keep track

:P

[vestal wren]

ye i forget too

but its not like i am in a compatiton with mystler/koji

rather working together

[balmy condor]

Everything’s a competition if you’re sweaty enough

But yeah

Ravenholdts honestly great about it

[raven egret]

so conclusion is

rogue > other

[balmy condor]

Rogue discord/theorycraft is giga pog

No bias

[vestal wren]

tbh i assume other discord do certain things better than we do

so there is always room for improvement

also i rly have no idea about tc for other specs, so i can't say they are better/worse

[balmy condor]

FAQ channels

I’m gonna die on that hill

Call me an air conditioner, cause I’m a big fan

[daring pecan]

air conditioner

[raven egret]

monk discord has pet channel 👀

its over guys

[daring pecan]

cannot compete with that

[vestal wren]

you can ask shiennar because he already did start something as a small project

[daring pecan]

monk discord officially way better than ours

[balmy condor]

Yeah I see that, what’s up with that

Just kinda chills there at the bottom

[vestal wren]

its not public btw.

so only cf and above see it

neverless, you need to ask him what his plans/progress is

[daring pecan]

hidden channels

[balmy condor]

Yeah I know

[daring pecan]

discussed in public

[balmy condor]

I mean, I don’t think it’s a secret that there are hidden channels

[vestal wren]

yes, more or less unfinished/empty channels.
a hidden channel i can tell you about that is not empty is for patreons 😛

[balmy condor]

Would be weird if there weren’t

[balmy condor]

Staff is an unfinished empty channel then I guess

[vestal wren]

its mainly a channel to log moderation actions or discuss such

its a administrative channel, so not super relevant for the public

[balmy condor]

Yep empty

[raven egret]

its full of ban whispyr

[vestal wren]

neverless i think we go a bit offtopic ^^

[balmy condor]

It’s actually not even called staff, it’s called “bully whispyr”

100% definitely true

So about them mastery changes to sbs am I right

Woo boo I love me some very minor damage gains

Right Boys

[raven egret]

wooo covenant i dont play gains

[vestal wren]

isn't the poison proc thing also a damage gain?

[balmy condor]

Yeah mostly aoe

[raven egret]

how much is the poison in practice

[balmy condor]

Like

10 dps tops

[vestal wren]

#assassination 📈

[balmy condor]

Most likely single digits I would think

[raven egret]

10 WHOLE DPS

[daring pecan]

I just want to highlight

[balmy condor]

The poison thing is mega QoL

[daring pecan]

this

[balmy condor]

Not really damage

[daring pecan]

you see a change

for every class

but rogue's not even mentioend

[balmy condor]

We don’t have changes

[iron orchid]

In the details it's mentioned

[daring pecan]

I know

[iron orchid]

but nothing important

yeah

[daring pecan]

but it's so insignificant

[balmy condor]

Sin is an ever standing monolith in the river of time

[vestal wren]

koji mentioned it in #tc-updates due to that reason

[balmy condor]

We do not change

We do not alter the course

[vestal wren]

because it didn't got picked up by wowhead

[balmy condor]

We simply exist

[iron orchid]

The most important changes ain't even in the note

[daring pecan]

MA nerf

because fuck rogues in particular

[vestal wren]

did they nerf fire mage too

[raven egret]

no

flame patch is ok

[vestal wren]

becaus fire mage did about as much damage in that pull as a ma empowered orb

[raven egret]

fire mages are fine

[daring pecan]

fire mage is fine, according to blizzard

[raven egret]

rogue stupid op class

nerf

[balmy condor]

Maybe fire mage is fine, and everyone else just sucks

Ever think about that

[daring pecan]

yes

[vestal wren]

blizz should just buff everyone else i guess

[daring pecan]

which is why I have a fire mage alt

[balmy condor]

Just buff everything to fire mage levels

And then revert all the dungeon/raid nerfs

To balance it out

[raven egret]

FoK spam 100k dps

give

[daring pecan]

I feel like I'm fine, being 10-15 ilvl below other people in my dungeons/raids and doing the same if not more damage than them

[balmy condor]

Play with better people then

[daring pecan]

in m+ pugs?

and sadly my guild has a lot of really bad people

who will hopefully get weeded out soon

[balmy condor]

I do 6k at the end of a dungeon and still get stomped by a mage 5 ilvl under me

[daring pecan]

haha, flame patch goes brrrrr

[balmy condor]

Fire mage is a dot class like sin rogue, with the burst of a hunter, more utility than you can think of, and is uncapped

Meanwhile outlaw rogue out here with 5 target and a shroud

Makes sense blizzard very cool ty

[rich yew]

@balmy condor you a poet? Monolith in the river of time: we do not change, we do not alter our course, we simply exist. 👏 👏

[daring pecan]

what do you mean, a dot class like sin rogue? mage doesn't have to switch targets and has barely any ramp-up time

[balmy condor]

Mages really out here with 2 blinks, a full immune, lust, party wide int buff, slows, polymorph, cheat death

B R U H

[daring pecan]

don't forget aoe disorient and root

[balmy condor]

I’m an artist, so kinda?

[daring pecan]

and technically aoe incap as well, if that's needed

[balmy condor]

I do poetry when I have a mental block

To try and get some ideas going

[raven egret]

i think you forgot frost nova and ring

[daring pecan]

that's what I just said

aoe root and aoe incap

[raven egret]

oh yea

[lapis jungle]

You guys swapping to Korayn or nah?

[daring pecan]

and DB

[raven egret]

didnt see

[balmy condor]

In m+ yeh

Not on tyran tho

[daring pecan]

don't forget that they can reset DB and nova with shifting power as well

[balmy condor]

I play herb on tyrannical

[lapis jungle]

Fair enough 🙂

Kinda need the herb atm. Im so low on haste. Sitting at 16% unbuffed and it feels awful

[balmy condor]

That won’t change much sad to tell you

[lapis jungle]

dno if its just my mind then. But when I have 20+ it feels alot better

[daring pecan]

[faint harness]

Additional noteworthy observations:

• Assassination Mastery now appears to affect Serrated Bone Spike
• Improved Poisons auto-crit effect from Stealth looks like it may be functional now

assassination necrolord stonks?

[ornate dawn]

night fae is bae

[topaz saffron]

What's your personal opinions on Inscrutable Quantum Device, its simming higher than my other trinkets but I really just don't like it as a concept.

[faint harness]

theres a macro that helps using it

a bit

/cleartarget
/use Inscrutable Quantum Device
/targetlasttarget

means it will never use the execute

and if you use while topped you should almost always get the stats

[frozen jasper]

do herbs just come from vial or how do you trigger them ?

[median mango]

for dungeonslice with first strike lethal poisons sims as high as katar and higher than wps, is this sim bait

or do I actually want lp? 😄

[median mango]

recuperator endurance conduit

[frozen jasper]

oh well didnt think of that, makes sense

[median mango]

😄

[iron orchid]

Natural passive regen triggers herbs too

[median mango]

^

@iron orchid what conduits/soulbind are you running in m+ now that you have first strike?

[pearl surge]

Has the Assassin buff helped at all? IV has so few runs their numbers aren't trustworthy so I thought I'd ask you all.

[median mango]

I mean what keys are you pushing goblin? If you are just trying to go for keystone master it is more than fine. 😄

[pearl surge]

An offspec, MS is Outlaw. But I wanted to ask before I make a Leg 😄

[median mango]

I mean its fun, it works, its not meta 😄

[pearl surge]

OK, as long as it's a bit better than it was

[winter gale]

Is it ok that 210–>235 leggo simm difference is 1.4% ?

I cant remember was it that much when I bought 210 piece

[tawdry pawn]

Is decanter better for m+ than phial?

[ornate lake]

Sim it

[real bay]

doubt

[tawdry pawn]

got 226 decanter in vault and wonder if I should pick it

[real bay]

depends what else there is, just sim tbh xd

[tawdry pawn]

yeha im simming and 223 boots simming almost same as that decanter

but I can get 226 boots from pvp

im simming rn if its better to buy chest or boots this week

[real bay]

I'd pick whatever is hardest to get outside vaulr

like weps or trinkets

[iron orchid]

213 lethal poisons Korayn tree with first strike

[red crag]

would you say that there is any boss in CN that assa outperforms the other specs? I tried running assa on Mhungering and had decent results compared to outlaw

[dusky vault]

Probably Sire; phase 3 is the hardest part so the execute damage helps

[median mango]

thats what simmed best for me too. Thanks. 🙂

[dusky vault]

Might also be good for Sun King given phase 2 shade will be in execute the whole time

[sly elk]

So lethal poisons is our conduit of choice?

[stark carbon]

is haste the way to go? even if some other piece with no haste sims better?

[knotty heron]

Whats our leggo or choice in m+?

And is tempest good in m+?

[sly elk]

According to what I read earlier “Don’t worry about stat weights just go for highest gear”

[spice spire]

Still Zoldyck’s for most, but MA works great on necrotic

[knotty heron]

Ok

[spice spire]

And tempest is great in M+

[sly elk]

I personally like dashing scoundrel

[knotty heron]

Fantastic to hear

I havent made scoundrel yet but have the other two

[spice spire]

Stats don’t matter at such a high degree, but still do matter. General rule is to go for highest gear, but you should always sim to make sure

[knotty heron]

I found when i got to 20% haste it felt really good

[sly elk]

I feel like stats don’t matter as much at this stage of things, it’ll gradually become more important as the expansion goes on

But I’m just going off of what was said before

[stark carbon]

im sitting at 10% haste and i do feel a little dry

[sly elk]

I personally sit so far from the cutting edge that it doesn’t matter what I do lol

[knotty heron]

Does our mastery affect burrs?

[sly elk]

Burrs?

[knotty heron]

Niyas Tools

[sly elk]

Oh the benthyr thing

[knotty heron]

Nightfae

[sly elk]

Oh

Don’t they have a poison effect that is affected by us already?

I mean I can go test it real quick for you if you want

I happen to know a guy

[knotty heron]

Lolll

Im at work having mindless thoughts and wondering.

But it is a nature dot

So i feel like it could

[sly elk]

It’s looking like a no from what I’m seeing

[knotty heron]

Boo

[sly elk]

There’s some sword that’s a similar thing

Lemme go find it

https://www.wowhead.com/item=178754/poxstorm-longsword-of-pestilence?bonus=6805:1472

This is also not affected by our mastery (as far as I can personally tell) but it’s effectively the same deal

And this one I feel like would make a lot more sense to be affected by our mastery lol

[knotty heron]

I had really expected assassination to like be amazing with night fae

When all this came out

[sly elk]

I mean I expected it to be amazing with necro

You’d think an endless 3s bleed feeding us energy would be a godsend for consistency, but it was not meant to be

They should just let us stack SBS into a single target to increase the damage and combo points lol

[knotty heron]

True

[plain thistle]

yeah, dont think anyone expected bonespike to give us energy

since isnt any bleed, our passive has a very specific list of bleeds that gives us energy

[sly elk]

Yeah

But I was hopeful

[knotty heron]

I think they should change venthyr to be the blood illusion stab from sanguine depths

[red crag]

does bonespike add to doomblade tho?

[kind kiln]

How come the sim on simcraft isn't using NF? 🙂

[ornate gazelle]

it should but i don't think it does

[ember relic]

No or kyr?

Nf

[strange python]

!WA

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[spice spire]

Whichever you prefer. Night fae has been pretty nice lately, but kyrian is also quite strong

[indigo ginkgo]

isnt blurs of night fae going to ber nerfded in next patch ?

[spice spire]

Maybe

[indigo ginkgo]

or did i read wrong in wow head

[spice spire]

Nothing is absolute and is still being worked through. So it might be nerfed it may not

[opaque mauve]

Like 0 changes for us in ptr

[rough grove]

My brain just started working O_O Korayn gives us reverse execute and then zoldyck gives us execute too. Wew. We're venthyr warriors now.

[sick scarab]

mm so koryan for m+ seems to be the way

slice and dice sim i mean

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9HhCMFDsd8urVSFFcYkCMY

[toxic tusk]

What in the fuck is a Korayn?

Wait, I’ve been gone for like 5 days. Did something major change? What’s this Venthyr talk?

[old snow]

gotta believe my assa brothers, and sin will shine once more