assassination

[stoic needle]

Nothing better than simming all of your vault options on Tuesday in dslice st and 5 target pw in 3 tabs with no delay

[buoyant mauve]

genshin is already taking my money

[stoic needle]

Gatcha games?

[buoyant mauve]

it's like 10% gacha

the rest is scuffed botw

[stoic needle]

10% is 10% too many

I learned my lesson after playing the first few seasons of hearthstone

I will never buy another IAP

[buoyant mauve]

oh well for hearthstone it's pretty much a need to buy packs if you want to get high enough rating, with genshin you can legit play the whole game with the free characters and free rolls they give you

[raw cedar]

so... question for the group. I crafted doomblades, which is supposed to inflict a DoT for 30% of mutilate, or so it says on the tooltip. Every raid encounter, the dot dmg was well below 30% of mutilate dmg, so I decided to hit one mutilate on a target dummy... before you ask, neither mutilate hit critted. Did blizzard accidentally type 20% instead of 30% in their dmg calculators?

[nimble locust]

for renown 30 with niya is it better to take poison or burrs

[stoic needle]

Burrs

[storm onyx]

It only accounts your main hand attack dmg afaik

[balmy condor]

correct

doomblade is main hand only

the gain from doomblade is in envenom damage more than anything

[storm onyx]

Dmg meter merges both hand dmg. Thats the reason for the disparity on dot dmg

[nimble locust]

does blood mallet only show poisions cause of the extra potentcy conduit?

[balmy condor]

they sim using a casting patchwerk

[nimble locust]

ohhh ok

thanks for the info

[native marten]

what is the best pvp covenant for assassination

[balmy condor]

kyrian

[native marten]

thats what i thought ty

im assuming to craft master assasin legendary for that too?

[balmy condor]

yes

[native marten]

on wrist or ring? and what secondary stats @balmy condor

[agile phoenix]

haste/vers prob

[balmy condor]

if you're using it solely for pvp, you would go vers/mast

most people take it on wrist in pvp, and ring for pve

[native marten]

ye pvp only

[strange python]

Mastery on assassination?

[agile phoenix]

is vers/mast for pvp?

😒

[balmy condor]

mastery isn't bad in pvp

[native marten]

theres a better one for raiding right

[balmy condor]

because mastery buffs envenoms

[agile phoenix]

oh rly

so its same as sub for pvp

[balmy condor]

for raiding you'd go haste/vers or haste/crit on zoldyck, which is usually crafted on legs

[native marten]

im pretty much only pvping on this rogue i have, i do my raiding on boomy

whenever my guild does alt raids ill bring rogue to it

[raw cedar]

Ok that just seems very silly, since mutilate specifically says it attacks with both weapons. Oh well

[agile phoenix]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nsuhJ4UVNRALV8mG84MVps

whys my assa sim so low? can anyone help boost it

i wanna try it out but not that low lol

[balmy condor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/m4NoN6W6Wp9ew2Ckcwuui6

ask and you shall receive

hope it helps

[oblique flare]

[agile phoenix]

xD

[stoic needle]

that's pretty lame that doomblade only calculates the bleed damage from the main hand

[balmy condor]

it's still one of the best single target legendaries

doesn't matter if it's lame if it's still strong

[stoic needle]

your sin doesn't sim that low btw, here's mine for comparison

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8mzuLmdCuozbYpiqgZpzjV

if you wanted to boost it you could craft zold on legs @ a higher ilvl and switch to NF

[agile phoenix]

for 220 i feel its low, ive saw lesser geared simming 6k im p sure

[stoic needle]

i doubt it

[spice spire]

Our 212 boomy sims 6k

It does seem slightly low, 9 ilvl down and only about 200 dps difference heee

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8cZzn6Thgpt8gX6guJVJei

[stoic needle]

theres no way you're simming 6k single target as sin with anything less than 223 ilvl

[iron orchid]

SOOOOO

[spice spire]

I think he meant other classes, lol.

[stoic needle]

oh, maybe

[balmy condor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/b7tt2MkaBBwJ1rdC9gp1z5

[agile phoenix]

ty thats better

[spice spire]

Holy

[iron orchid]

Looks better yup x)

[royal lantern]

nah, its assassination

[iron orchid]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pPycxgPDwfmdptyZdih3MT

[spice spire]

I feel you’d be hard pressed to be 216 simming 6k PW - as assassination

[balmy condor]

216 isn't possible

but I think if you mega optimize, you could pull it off at 218

[spice spire]

I mean I guess you could have mediocre gear outside 226 weapons and a 226 phial?

[balmy condor]

6 sockets + burrs usually

[spice spire]

Ahhh I see.
Burrs go brrr.

[stoic needle]

lol pretty much exactly what i said, maxed zoldyck legs and switching to NF

[balmy condor]

now I'm curious

how high I could make a 215 go

or like

full heroic gear

213 + 235 legendary

cracks knuckles

[spice spire]

More work

[stoic needle]

heck you and your phial 😠

[balmy condor]

resimming the bis list is boring, so we do irrelevant sims instead

[signal gulch]

wish i had a phial so i can stop using double on use

[spice spire]

I said fuck it and am still using hateful chain instead of vessel

It was a 10 dps loss so w/e

[balmy condor]

I unequiped skulker for chain yesterday

[stoic needle]

i'm literally about to buy the pvp badge just so i can get rid of skulker

i'm so fucking sick of it

[spice spire]

Skulker was a pain in the ass, I’m glad I shipped it

In theory, it’s sick. Any amount of cleave and it goes screwy tho

[stoic needle]

i'll deal with double on use but when one of them is skulker

i wanna neck myself

even in single target it's shit

cos it doesn't work half the time

[spice spire]

For me I had to move around and I’d just randomly leap forward

So I started wiggling for it

[plush oasis]

Skulker is sketchy as hell on sludgefist too. Keeps jumping me to the center of the boss's hitbox.

[stoic needle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pZCgwio66tGSkwEfiEYSHG

do i take the 22 dps loss just to get rid of this piece of shit?

[spice spire]

I would

[stoic needle]

i'm gonna see what I get from the weekly quest reward

praying for past sins or a chain

[iron orchid]

I got rid of it

and then

it came back in 226 ilvl

so I equipped it again

[spice spire]

OOF

[stoic needle]

i've gotten it twice from H shriekwing already

[spice spire]

I got the bracers that are shit from artificer 4 weeks in a row now

[gloomy rover]

when are you using CDs on sludgefist?

[iron orchid]

depends on your average lust and kill timer

[balmy condor]

depends on 4 pillar vs 3 pillar

4 pillar you would pull/2/4, lust on 4

3 pillar you would 1/3, lust on 3

[iron orchid]

too fast for me @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

practice

;)

[gloomy rover]

thanks!

[distant cypress]

Whispyr casually flexing how much time he spends on this discord

But real question is still there: what pawn string does he use ?

[little basalt]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[low girder]

Pawn

[distant cypress]

[balmy condor]

I uninstalled pawn during antorus

[distant cypress]

No way why would you do that, it's such a helpful add on

[balmy condor]

uh huh

helpful because it teaches you what not to do

[distant cypress]

How can you say that! It shows you the best upgrades for u and you don't even need to do anything! Just install it and leave it

[balmy condor]

[distant cypress]

I swear this is what half of my raid group is doing atm

THEY CAN'T BE ALL WRONG RIGHT ?

[balmy condor]

I have you know, 3 people on the forums said pawn is good

[distant cypress]

3!

[balmy condor]

3 forum heroes, or 1 whispyr

cmon

[distant cypress]

XD

1 whispyr is worth more than my whole melee dps group

[balmy condor]

I'm getting stronger by the minute

[distant cypress]

Where can I buy 1 whispyr

Help

[balmy condor]

no lie, if I had more prog, I would want to go find random heroic guild groups

[brittle pawn]

Idk I saw whispyr wipe in heroic

[balmy condor]

just to see how different it is from my runs

[balmy condor]

20 pulls on h sire yesterday

no kill

too much pepega in phase 2

[brittle pawn]

[balmy condor]

small dick heroic raid life

[brittle pawn]

I think it's something this week

Mercury is in retrograde or something

[distant cypress]

My group killed h denathrius after 30ish pulls

[spice spire]

My group is just now at heroic sire. Heroic stone legion was a 6 pull

I’ll prog Monday

[distant cypress]

Stl was like 25 pulls

For my group

Idiots with blades

[spice spire]

Don’t ask me about council of blood

[balmy condor]

slg was a mess with blades for a little

[strange python]

For some reason i can literally never do good on council

Always stuck on kicking the lady

[balmy condor]

and then we couldn't do p2 without 2 people dying

[distant cypress]

Council is just a bad fight

With kek dance thrown inside of it

[spice spire]

Our tanks do a weird swap on council and it fucks my parse. But whatever I’ll take the down

[distant cypress]

To justify its existence

[strange python]

I always forget the dance and blow all my coolies right before it

[spice spire]

Stone legion phase 2 was a one shot. We literally went to not passing phase one to fucking phase 3 up once then we downed

[balmy condor]

p2 and p2 intermission was rough for us

overall took us I think 13 or 14 pulls

but now we're at 40 on sire

[distant cypress]

On council what fcked most of us was actually the skill that connects two people and leave shit behind. Always one pepega that is always either running IN FRONT OF ME or BEHIND ME so he either kills me or dies

[balmy condor]

cause we have 2 people die in p2

and I call a wipe

[distant cypress]

We do the same

[balmy condor]

because not going into p3 with a full raid

is fucking troll

[gusty mirage]

SLG is just a cluster fuck altogether. My fav was when Kaal phased back and did wicked blade during her coming back and absolutely destroyed the melee with wicked blade 😂

[distant cypress]

If we have 2 dead on p2 we wipe and try again

[balmy condor]

30 pulls in

we still had random p1 wipes

[strange python]

p1 wipes are the worst

p1 in general is the worst

[balmy condor]

people double soaking the beams and going "wtf why no one soaking, I take so much damage"

yeh dipshit you soaked everything

[strange python]

Worst is when dps phase boss right before he hits the rest of the group so stacks are too high

[gusty mirage]

The wild part about heroic danny is that after you get that first kill, p2 can be stupidly sloppy and you’ll be fine lol

[distant cypress]

On SLG we had few times this ridiculous bug when blade was coming back then it would hit all of the melee

I was literally at the edge of hit box and it still marked me

[gusty mirage]

Yeah we had that too. Not much you can do besides roll with it unfortunately

[distant cypress]

Like 4 times

But still what hate most about SLG is how oblivious to orbs is my range team

They just stand there in one place with orb on them

[gusty mirage]

Ranged don’t do mechanics it’s a known thing

[distant cypress]

And they pepega dps because they don't look at their own character

[gusty mirage]

They get confused when they have to do something

[distant cypress]

So many ppl running with orbs and just confused why RL is yelling their names

Oh well

At least sin back...almost

Still hoping for some changes in 9.1

[balmy condor]

sin is back

[storm onyx]

i just fear they may mess it up while being imaginative and creative.. sigh

[strange python]

@distant cypress I always just back up when blades are coming back for that reason

Shit always happens so I just dip

lol

[gusty mirage]

Blizzard and rogue changes being imaginative?

[storm onyx]

Combat to Outlaw was quite big overhaul tbf, with all the rtb meachanic and dynamic rotations

[strange python]

Here's my favorite ranged in the guild

https://clips.twitch.tv/DarkExquisiteAsteriskKappaClaus

[tender fjord]

Sin is definitely back

[strange python]

Sin feels v. good to play now

[tender fjord]

Even in m+ until 15 you’re perfectly competitive

Im having a surprisingly good time in m+

Next to a very relaxing hc reclear

[balmy condor]

sin in m+ is really underrated for no reason

[storm onyx]

out dmged outlaw rogue at same ilvl, i suspect he was very sleepy

[balmy condor]

it does better cleave and aoe than sub

[slender trail]

what leg do you run in m+?

whisp

[tender fjord]

I run MA because I lack zoldyck. You can do some nutty aoe burst if you set up bleeds and then vanish into fok ct spam

[stoic needle]

people are like "its roughly on par with sub in M+"

i'm like "in what universe?"

[balmy condor]

zold

[balmy condor]

in the current universe

[stoic needle]

i'd say it's better

prio damage is a meme

[balmy condor]

hard disagree

[tender fjord]

Prio dmg can be really important, especially if you might trigger a prideful

But assa can do that just as well

[lean fossil]

not going to lie, so glad i went back to sin and being in here allowing me when to pop all my cooldowns at the right times to show outlaw rogues whats up 😛

[storm onyx]

how can i sim 30% execute dmg again?

[balmy condor]

it sims naturally

[stoic needle]

if you're that close to triggering a prideful, just don't cleave

[balmy condor]

but you can use an execute patchwerk sim

to see specifically ONLY execute damage

[storm onyx]

yea thats what i ment

[balmy condor]

that's called prio damage

[storm onyx]

kk

erm nm

[stoic needle]

i thought prio damage was for the dangerous enemies in a pack like drust soulcleavers and shit

[balmy condor]

well it can be

but you literally just put up a situation

where doing priority damage, to one target, is more important than total aoe

[stoic needle]

yeah but sub bursting that specific add down faster isn't going to affect your key as much as their overall lesser aoe damage will throughout the course of the key

[balmy condor]

that entirely depends on the key, the level, and your group

[storm onyx]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/czficZu3CiVVPc4GWhgZZH

neat )

[brittle pawn]

weird sim

[balmy condor]

how is it weird

[brittle pawn]

what does a 2 min execute do for you

[storm onyx]

It is for the Zoldyck phase dmg

[sinful cradle]

a 2 minute execute fight

[balmy condor]

show you execute damage?

[tardy steppe]

wait did sin get another 8% buff?

[balmy condor]

5%

5% then 8%, and then another 5% last reset

[tardy steppe]

are they above sub now?

for st

in raids

[balmy condor]

no

you can see sims in the pins

[tardy steppe]

i see, but why do they keep buffing aura, in wont make the spec feel much better

[balmy condor]

I'm not sure what the reasoning is

because I'm not blizzard

[native belfry]

Because wow gamedesign is dead

[balmy condor]

but sin plays perfectly fine

and buffing the spec as a whole is much easier than buffing specific things

[tardy steppe]

think every1 just missses shrouded suffocation

[native belfry]

What stats should I take on Zoldyck. Haste vers?

[balmy condor]

yeah, or haste crit, either is fine

[native belfry]

Ty)

Pretty odd seeing mastery is dead on sin. Didn't play since legion

[storm onyx]

its related to SnD, it changed the dmg allocation towards autoattacks, this vers got important

they didnt want to move dmg to bleeds/poisonf for some reason

[native belfry]

And they've also killed prelast left talent =_=

[balmy condor]

oh yeah that was dead instantly after legion

doesn't even do that same thing anymore

[native belfry]

Yeah, now it just says : "Your Mutilate costs 47 not 55" Yay!

[balmy condor]

mutilate costs 50 baseline

[native belfry]

Always thought it was 55 but whatever:DDD

[balmy condor]

it was in legion

[native belfry]

Yeah. When I remember opener poison bomb damage burst it makes me cry

[balmy condor]

yeah, was the fucking worst

30% damage just from some rng trash

[native belfry]

But! Playing DfA sub was also pretty fun(and annoying af). Yeah, your log colour was basically dependant on ur luck:DDD

And ofc all the pools with PB on every finishers were screwed by guildies

[brittle pawn]

best part of dfa was falling through the world

[native belfry]

Yeah, on 2nd boss in ToS

Happened all the time

If we are talking about ST raid dmg, which talent to choose in 2nd tier?

[brittle pawn]

ma

though subterfuge is probably close

sim it

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[native belfry]

Yeah theyre close

[hybrid pier]

noob question, but I got a ring from my weekly dungeon reward that replaces my 200 ring with a 213 ring, only it takes me from 18% haste to 14%, is it worth?

vers and mastery increase but crit and haste down

[jagged flicker]

Sim it. Raidbots

[pulsar sluice]

any elvui pioneers in here?

trying to avoid using plater to track dots

[stoic needle]

i used to use elvui but i switched to plater because elvui doesn't let you do the important stuff like making dots glow when in pandemic range

and the elvui nameplates have worse stacking

[balmy condor]

elvui nameplates are trash confirmed

plater op

[buoyant mauve]

tidyplates are the plates for me 🙂

[tawdry pawn]

Default plater is good?

I dont like the Mess from elvui on m+

But i'm pretty bad with addon configurations

[drifting cosmos]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[manic quartz]

Imo tidyplates have much more user/beginner friendly config options but plater can do so much more

[balmy condor]

its okay, but you can also get profiles from wago for plater and install them like you would any other profile

[manic quartz]

I've tried numerous profiles but after few M+ im always "yeah no" and go back to what i had before

[buoyant mauve]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ZQeg5tFVNkd6ppuP5FJZN

Is the 7 ilvl diff between Oshosi really that significant or is my toon actually just fucked?

[stoic needle]

190 ilvl zoldyck isn't helping, and i also have 2 220+ weapons

so yea the ilvl is kinda significant

[buoyant mauve]

damn, oke I'll work on that. I'm 715 ash away from upgrading to 235 and I guess I'll start queuing some arena

[stoic needle]

rbgs are da wae

too many classes that hard counter rogue in arena right now

[buoyant mauve]

rbg's? how do you find 9 other people to play with?

[balmy condor]

You put

Pug

[buoyant mauve]

especially when I'm already unranked lol

[stone epoch]

lot of pugs for rbgs just take you so long as you're not super undergeared and not throwing when you're playing with them

[stoic needle]

join yolo groups to ~1000

or 1200 even

then join groups with comms

they always want rogues

sit on a base, ninja cap flags, kill efcs

[buoyant mauve]

I think I'll just queue with a pal from guild and just zug zug healer till 1800

[stoic needle]

collect CR

im telling you that will take longer than RBGs

you're gonna get dicked down by warriors monks and rets all day long

but its up to you

[manic quartz]

God i hate facing warriors in arena

They just go "me smash you die" on ur ass

[trim robin]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[buoyant mauve]

don't worry, I watch pika's videos everyday

[manic quartz]

When you finally think you got em they just rip one of the pages from their book of tricks and throw it to ur face and be like "no u"

[oblique flare]

ngl, playing assa with dreadblades mog is nice

hope they don't fix it

[dusky vault]

How do you guys configure plater to not overlap nameplates and buffs? Mine still overlaps a bit and it's annoying

[stoic needle]

I don't think it's possible to keep it from overlapping whatsoever with lots of targets

With any nameplate addon

[gleaming eagle]

do you have to do the quest line

to unlock korayn ?

[balmy condor]

yes

[gleaming eagle]

up to which questline?

you remember?

[spice spire]

You unlock korayn at the end of the 9th mission

[gleaming eagle]

ah

alright

[spice spire]

So it’s the very end

[jaunty kayak]

according to the guides (lets say IV).. which opener should i do when im using MA leggo + subter ? MA talent opener or subter opener ? :D

[balmy condor]

the subterfuge opener

[fleet whale]

So burs got a light nerf

[stoic needle]

At least they didn't nerf the damage

Korayn is better for aoe anyway so it's like not that much of a nerf

[mortal tartan]

is that 5% buff out yet? i haven't played rogue in a bit

[stoic needle]

Yep

[slow marsh]

Burs is still better than double potency correct? Herodamage combinations shows double potency unless i'm reading wrong?

[obtuse robin]

korrayn is def not better for slice

atleast not for me

[stoic needle]

i'd like to see that sim

korayn is an over 100 dps upgrade for me in dslice

[slow marsh]

!bis

[prisma monolith]

Whispyrs Bis list: http://tiny.cc/76r5tz

[paper dawn]

Im sure it’s been asked a million times but I just picked up sin again since bfa and was trying to find a single target opener? I’m also night fae so I have that extra dot. Just looking to maximize my dps thanks!

[balmy condor]

in the guides

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[stoic needle]

@iron orchid what is your garotte uptime % usually like in a key?

i just had 74% in a nw+14 i feel like i could do better though

did 4.5k overall

that was my first time doing a 14 thou

[paper dawn]

Thanks!

[balmy condor]

I had about 80% in my 14's today, was doing 5.5-5.6k

according to details

I could get you logs

[drifting imp]

I hate this storming affix, who thought 'oh man the second boss of shrine of storm was so fun to play... Let's make a affix out of it' ranges with volcanic at least only need to sidestep ... As melee you need to dance tango with those stupid storm thingies

[stoic needle]

sure

well i also died a bunch so that definitely affected my overall 😛

not used to how hard things hit in 14s

[balmy condor]

we died a bunch too

[drifting imp]

I never looked at my garrote uptime, but I think I'm also around 5-5.5k dps on 14/15, my friend also logged, so I could look at my logs later too, if you want oshosi

[stoic needle]

i was the only one dying T_T

[drifting imp]

Happens

[stoic needle]

hmm looks like i'm not keeping crimson tempest up enough either

[balmy condor]

tempest on 2, fok on 4

the mut/fok is still not in my head

cause I'm so used to sub at this point

I keep using fok on 2/3 out of habit

[stoic needle]

hmm i was fok on 3

[balmy condor]

yeh, I did that too

[stoic needle]

i also ran with vigor instead of MFD like i usually do and definitely spent globals getting up snd that i shoudve spent on tempest

think i might just stick with mfd forever lol

[balmy condor]

vigor is fine

[stoic needle]

yeah but i play better with MFD

i have the muscle memory

[buoyant mauve]

yeah I find myself fok'ing 3 targets repeatedly, do you think with high enough crit rate in the future we will start using it on 3+ targets instead of 4+?

[balmy condor]

probably not

[buoyant mauve]

most of the time I do it is after I use 3 garrotes to get to at least 4 so I can ct

[gusty kestrel]

you could also ct on 3 regardless

its not forbidden

[buoyant mauve]

well luckily it will sometimes get my dp on one of them if I didn't apply it in the midst of the mass garroting

[iron orchid]

@stoic needle I'll check that uptime

Also been FoKing on 3, and I can't remember when I thought this would be a good idea

Imma change that

[balmy condor]

I don't think it's awful

[stoic needle]

sub teaching me bad habits

[balmy condor]

but It sims worse

so

[stoic needle]

its nice to apply poisons to all 3 at least

[untold solar]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[stoic needle]

incredibly, well placed steel only sims 4 dps worse than lethal poisons in dslice for me

guess i'm a WPS all the time boi now

[iron orchid]

Yup, it is pretty strong there too

Just have to keep using shiv on cd

They fixed the "bug" that made burrs hit multiple targets

[stoic needle]

[iron orchid]

So

Maybe I'm an herbs guy now

[stoic needle]

i used it tonight

felt pretty decent

[iron orchid]

Yup

[stoic needle]

but its weird cause

[balmy condor]

I'm a herb guy

[stoic needle]

after next week there's no reason to use herbs

like, ever

[iron orchid]

Yeah

[untold solar]

hey noob question here do assasin rogues open with mutilate instead of ambush?

[iron orchid]

Also noticed a big shift on my recount on most dungeons, thanks to the 5% buff i think.
Garrote is further ahead of melee in every dungeon

[stoic needle]

yeah garotte is huge now

[iron orchid]

Yes

[gusty kestrel]

„huge“ xd

[untold solar]

tyvm

[iron orchid]

Or garrote with subterfuge

[gusty kestrel]

and ngl i wouldnt use first strike in every dungeon regardless

[untold solar]

do u know if this applies to pvp too? or just pve?

[iron orchid]

No idea 🙃

[untold solar]

ok thanks alot, appreciate the anwser

[stoic needle]

when wouldn't you use it?

[stoic needle]

i think you open with ambush in pvp

[untold solar]

i see

thank you

[gusty kestrel]

high tyr probably

dno, I personally think first strike is overhyped

[stoic needle]

any particular reason?

[sick scarab]

herbs ?

[stoic needle]

it seems to me like it's going to be better for sin than the other specs because of our opener in AOE, we get more refreshes on it because we don't hit everything instantly

[gusty kestrel]

the drop off afterwards combined with wild hunt tactics

[iron orchid]

Yup, I see that too

I wanna test it before getting too hyped up

[gusty kestrel]

ure literally playing a dead soulbind after 5 seconds

[iron orchid]

But it would be a great gain throughout the dungeon

[sick scarab]

nya herbs buff our haste too ?

[balmy condor]

that's all it does actually

[stoic needle]

if you use the recuperator conduit you get the buff while SnD is up

[iron orchid]

I think even passive regeneration triggers it

[sick scarab]

but it say targhet haste

[iron orchid]

I get it out of combat with no buffs up

[balmy condor]

yes, and we can't heal anyone but ourselves

so we are the target

[gusty kestrel]

first aid coming through

[stoic needle]

if you're getting fed a fresh set of targets every so often with chain pulls FS can't be that bad

[sick scarab]

bandages macro

[balmy condor]

support rogue pog

[sick scarab]

like vanilla

[strange python]

you could heal your party members in bfa

crucible of flame active

[sick scarab]

question of the century

first stryke how will work ?

we play as usual in packs of trash ?

[stoic needle]

Yeah

It just means your first few FoKs will give you more cp, and your first couple seconds of triple garotte will crit more

[strange python]

is your opener as Sin rogue the same with FS on trash packs

oh ok

on outlaw we have that weird killing spree strategy and I hate it

[sick scarab]

lol just simmerd HERBS.. it give me +50dps over burrs

[stoic needle]

Yep it's pretty stonks

[stoic needle]

Would you run burrs or herbs on high tyrranical then?

Especially since they nerfed burrs to be truly single target now

Sadge

[sick scarab]

on single targhet burr still more dps, in slice and dice herbs better then

[gusty kestrel]

honestly depends on the key but probably just herbs

if u really gotta maximize boss dps then sure burrs

[sick scarab]

well mm burrs wiht all the kiting we have

maybe is not the best thing dunno , haste is 100% up

[stoic needle]

Since they nerfed the worst offenders in tyrranical I dunno if you need to go that hard on extra boss dps anymore

I'm sticking with CT in tyrran I think

Pb is such a shitty talent

[strange python]

NW is gonna feel so nice on tyrannical weeks now

spear the boss + prideful

should just melt

[stoic needle]

Man

Today in the nw 14 I speared and then someone else hammered stitchflesh

With prideful

He evaporated

I didn't even have time to vendetta

I should've pre vendettad before vanishing

I wasn't even using Ma

[balmy condor]

vendetta doesn't affect tools

[strange python]

my last stitchflesh pull we missed the first hook and our poor DH had to run the indy 500 marathon around the arena for an extra two minutes with abominations

[stoic needle]

The hammer did 207k damage I just checked the log

187k spear, 207k hammer

NW is really fun now after the nerf

[iron orchid]

@stoic needle the only recount I still have shows 86% uptime on garrote in DOS 17

[stoic needle]

Damn nice

Yeah I guess I need to just git gud

Trying out vigor definitely hurt me more than it helped lol

[iron orchid]

Be aware that I often use shadowmelt to get stealth resets when doing packs

so i can place more subterfuge garrotes

https://clips.twitch.tv/GracefulEvilPistachioPeoplesChamp

[stoic needle]

God shadowmeld making me want to faction change

[iron orchid]

Not worth in most situations x)

[stoic needle]

Excuse me was that a 56k envenom?!

How?! Lmao

[iron orchid]

two 56k envenoms tho

Damage debuff on the boss

[dim rampart]

Hey, Deï have you tested full crit/mastery build for keys ? high haste mandatory for ST and dungeon ?

[iron orchid]

Haste still better

Haste crit or crit/haste feels nice

[iron orchid]

I only noticed this when I watched it right now

[balmy condor]

crit mastery

[dim rampart]

Ok ty ! It's true that haste makes the gameplay more enjoyable too

[stoic needle]

19k dps... looking like a boomkin hehe

[iron orchid]

All my crits went into that burst ehe

[dim rampart]

I farmed the same key yesterday (HoA) i had more overall dps in assa than outlaw (KS/MA build) even if i am quite bad in outlaw, feels pretty nice

[stoic needle]

Between new gear and aura buffs sin is feeling pretty good in keys RN

Only being 400 DPS behind a boomkin even when not playing optimally is nice

[iron orchid]

still waiting for weapons tho

[stoic needle]

[strange python]

!WA

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[stoic needle]

Please lord give our man dei some weapons so that he may unseat the scourge that is p**n on the leaderboards

[fair storm]

Weapons? Huh never had a 210weapon from a m+ or from hc full clears and vault since hc week. Stuck with 200ilvl weappn cuz i suck balls in pvp

[sick scarab]

i am strugling finding pugs to push keys.. do you guys knows some comunity for m+ or something similar ?

[iron orchid]

I only play with guildmates

so the answer is no

[sick scarab]

that is the perfect scenario 🙂

[sick scarab]

in my guild there is a strong m+ group that sually play always togheter so.. i have to pug often and it sucks a bit 🙂

[willow saddle]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[sick scarab]

dunno it is worth to go HERBS or just burrs and gg ?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fcg2QkWoNgL2TyXSyYRoHA

[balmy condor]

herbs is good

[sick scarab]

yep bit it loose in single targhet so.. mm

but maybe all aroud herbs is better .. cause burrs can be kited away etc

cause i hate to swap conduits lol

[dim rampart]

Zerøcøøl did +20 Plaguefall with full Crit / Poly and MA lego, interesting to see a little different builds on high keys than full haste/Zoldyck, i still wonder which one performs the most 🤔

[iron orchid]

If you check well, he actually wears zoldyck pants

[willow mason]

How do you guys proc herbs? Only with vial or the recuperate conduit also procs hit?

[iron orchid]

Natural regen and recuperator proc it

[willow mason]

Ok thanks 👍

[tawdry pawn]

What is herbs?

[iron orchid]

niya's tools : herbs

it is the soulbind talent in the right row

of Niya's tree

[tawdry pawn]

I see

Havent checked that honestly have no idea what's its doing xD need to check.when back to home

Night fae is much better for assa than kyrian?

Sepsis is hitting kinda strong with shiv etc

Was surprised with that 24k sepsis compared to.around 8 on outlaw

[paper cosmos]

!bs

[prisma monolith]

Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message

[tawdry pawn]

What's that for? :O

Ok got video

Usefull :o

[fiery turtle]

!bs

[prisma monolith]

Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message

[bitter drift]

Do we have a determined BiS legendary for assa pve? Also is Night Fae still BiS for all specs?

Seems like MA is best for all 3 specs in both PvP and M+

[stoic needle]

Zoldyck is a bit better than MA for all PVE content

MA is fine, but zoldyck is bis

[bitter drift]

Seems like MA is decent Sub, BiS outlaw and decent Sin then

[dim rampart]

Ma probably better in assa also for keys < 15

[stoic needle]

What makes you say that

[fading wigeon]

Feelycraft

[dim rampart]

For non-tyrannical weeks the bosses last 2mn so Zoldyck's execution is not used much. And the same on the packs, if you have a mage / hunt in low keys

[stoic needle]

I mean, 30% is still 30%

Plus we spend the majority of the ma window setting up garottes anyway

[bitter drift]

I think Zoldyck + MA will pair nicely when we can wear 2 legos

[royal lantern]

why are people so 100%sure that we will EVER get too use 2 legendarys

like, they never even said anything in that direction

its all just because people think "we could use 2 in legion" or what?

[bitter drift]

Just based off legion and the fact that the runecarver may allow us a second one when we free his other chains.

Purely speculation

[steep hamlet]

is there a sweet spot for % haste or is it just get as much as you can

Currently running 18% and it doesnt feel terrible but maybe its just me

[loud estuary]

Got a unique question, is there a reason that count the odds outlaw dice can be proc'd on assassin?

[tender fjord]

That would be nuts, haven’t tried tho

[loud estuary]

Yea, it actually does proc

Found by accident lmao

It procs with ambush from stealth

[azure carbon]

Because #SmallIndyGamesCompany

Its kinda random, some do some dont. Well Placed Steel works for Outlaw / Sub, Lethal Poisons doesn't.

Same with Spec Leggos too. Most obnoxious of which is the Paladin Tank leggo.

[bitter drift]

So MA on Sin is good for pvp and low M+ but Zoldyck is the go to for high keys and raid?

What is best slot for Zoldyck?

[lucid stirrup]

Since when is MA bis outlaw

[toxic sparrow]

Killing Spree build

[azure carbon]

It was becoming popular before that. Its just good on Outlaw w/ 1 minute Vanish CD.

It does have nice synergy with killingspree tho.

[brazen halo]

Burrs "feels" quite low damage overall, is it not the pick anymore or am I just feelycrafting wrong 😛

[iron orchid]

for single target, it is still the go to

[vestal wren]

burrs just need to beat your 2nd best potency

it does not need to do "insane" damage

[brazen halo]

Well true, second best was lethal poisons right?

[oblique flare]

does it beat lethal? :0

[vestal wren]

what did the sim say? 😏

[storm onyx]

Does Herbs proc by overheals?

[vestal wren]

it does to my knowlage

[storm onyx]

Thanks )

[warm topaz]

Sup fellow assa rogues. What lethal poison do you guys roll with most for pvp?

[storm onyx]

Wound

[warm topaz]

I've been using deadly

[storm onyx]

Deadly seems more dps on meters but heal reduction is a big thing tbf

[warm topaz]

I'll try it today and see how it goes.

It's nice being able to play assa now. I was playing sub before and was doing horrible. Just so much to manage

[grave cove]

!guid

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[old snow]

you definitely in pretty much all situations

[grave cove]

Anyone here that uses MA in m+?

[strange python]

yeah i've been using it a bit

it's alright

[rancid spade]

why dashing sims more but everyone uses zoldick?

[fleet whale]

cause Zoldyck overall is way better

better in aoe

better in cleave

better for prog

gives you execute

[azure carbon]

Zoldyck is more useful damage too. Execute is OP.

[fleet whale]

if you're running dashing, you might as well just be sub

I really wish that would change or at least be mentioned in the pins lol

so many people are getting thrown off with dashing being the "best" in the pins

[stoic needle]

I tried to get fuu to change it but they don't agree

[fleet whale]

helll even the default profile in simc.com

uses zoldyck lol

[stoic needle]

They think that people should use their brains and figure it out for themselves that if zoldyck is better for everything but pure ST that it's the better all around choice

I don't agree but I also don't run this place

[fleet whale]

idk, people here always complain about things being "simbait" and the same questions being asked over and over again

[stoic needle]

That's my main problem q

It limits the quality of discussion that can happen in the channel because we spend so much time answering the same questions over and over and over and over and over

There should be a FAQ post at the very least

[strange trail]

hey guys! I'm having a bit of a quest issue with my ravenholdt questline, if someone can help me out

[fleet whale]

do you mean the legendary dagger questline

[strange trail]

yes

I was at the part where I had to go to the herold

[fleet whale]

honestly it's been such a long time i've done it i can't even remember that part

I know he's a meme nowadays but asmongold has a good video of a guide doing the whole questline solo

[strange python]

^^^^^

this

[dim rampart]

i just tried the NF conduit Herbs, the uptime was 63%, not that bad. I even wonder if it's not best than Burrs if we have low haste in ST raid

[fleet whale]

i'm not even sure if anyone has really tried to sim for herbs

[strange trail]

by accident I abandoned the quest that I was doing

[strange trail]

and I have no idea how to get it back

[fleet whale]

just go back to where you picked it up

or if you're really struggling to find it, send a ticket to blizzard

and honestly i don't see 5% haste that isn't even up all the time

outsimming the 4-5% damage herbs gives

[strange trail]

I was at the part where stormwind was evil and I was attacking guards

[strange trail]

I have no idea where the person that I was questing for went

[fleet whale]

i would recommend going on wowhead and looking up the questline

and keep clicking on each quest to find which one you were on

what daggers do you have right now

is it fear and vengeance

or the sleeper and the dreamer

[iron orchid]

i simmed it and it looks like an upgrade on DS

But a slight loss to burrs on ST

[fleet whale]

You would be probably be using Korrayn in M+ though anyway

[strange trail]

none of those, i have stuff from shadowlands

[stoic needle]

Tisumii gave a compelling argument for herbs on tyrranical

[balmy condor]

@tender fjord Just for completion, I’ll mention that it isn’t very good

[balmy condor]

Keep simming

[balmy condor]

It’s actually still 30% of the mobs health, regardless of how long they live. And almost everyone pops cooldowns on pulls, so you’re actually spending more time in that 30% that you would think

[balmy condor]

6:30 in the morning

[spice spire]

[stoic needle]

Gonna ping you at 4am for a log review of my 98%

[balmy condor]

Well I was up at 4am

[spice spire]

Real insomnia hours

[brittle pawn]

I keep seeing the argument about still 30% of the mobs health

It's not 30% of the time spent fighting it though

[balmy condor]

You’re right

[stoic needle]

It doesn't matter

[balmy condor]

It’s probably more

[brittle pawn]

It does

The less time spent under 30% the less effective it is

[stoic needle]

Since people blow their cooldowns on pull the last 30% usually takes longer

[bitter drift]

how is sin vs outlaw now for M+/raid? Pretty comparable?

[balmy condor]

At the end of the day, there’s no real situation where all of a sudden you’re suddenly having a big disparity in your time during execute phase

[balmy condor]

Outlaw is better

The number 1 people reference with zoldyck uptime is dumb shit like “well what about a +3 when things die very quickly”

To which I would say “who the fuck cares about optimizing +3’s”

If you’re doing keys with your guild, with your friends, and you’re 1 chesting, sometimes failing, maybe a 2 chest here and there

You’re playing an average amount of time in that dungeon

And you’re getting the uptime of zoldyck that you would get pretty much regardless

Is it exactly 30% of your fight time, all the time? No, but it’s pretty damn close

[brittle pawn]

I'm not making a case for anything else, just pointing out that "still 30% hp" doesn't mean shit

[balmy condor]

Well it does

[bitter drift]

how much better we talking at this point? I've been missing Sin and have been playing Sub since shadowlands

[balmy condor]

By way of 30% of mob HP on an average run will be similar timed, regardless of if that’s a fort week or a tyrannical week, or a 25 minute +6, or a 25 minute +17

[strange python]

a fair margin better

[stoic needle]

3%

[bitter drift]

shame. Hope they keep buffing Sin then

[strange python]

I just want sin and sub to be comparable to what outlaw is doing in single target

[balmy condor]

I hope they don’t, for the sake of sub

[strange python]

and to make them better in pvp :)

sub and sin aren't bad
but the fotm really really really hurts rogues

[balmy condor]

Unless they’re buffing sub alongside

Buffing sin more is just pain

[bitter drift]

I love the fact that Outlaw benefits from MA

[strange python]

Every rogue spec does decent with MA though

[bitter drift]

yeah but when I say benefits I mean it's BiS for M+

[strange python]

ah i get you

[stoic needle]

The shorter CD on vanish that ol gets makes it better comparatively

[strange python]

but tbf, that's only if you're able to get constant restealths

[balmy condor]

It could be considered bis for the m+ for the other 2 specs too

They just rely on restealths

[strange python]

sub MA with secret technique is nice tbh

but it's still lackluster in comparison to outlaw

[oblique flare]

delete MA

[balmy condor]

While outlaw doesn’t have an understanding of what cooldowns are

[strange python]

lmfao

[hollow escarp]

that's the only reason I prefer to still play outlaw than sin in M+

so much easier with pugs

[bitter drift]

Ive been wanting to just have my rogue for pvp and I do enjoy sub... but lately I'm getting an itch to pve with my rogue and so i have to decide if I want laid back Sin playstyle or if I want to be on it w/ Outlaw

[stoic needle]

I mean sin only has 2 cds

Just use them on CD

[strange python]

I plan on just playing sin in pvp and outlaw in pve
just to climb io this season.

[stoic needle]

Playing sin like outlaw gives you big dam

[hollow escarp]

it's also nice when it's the same target that gets combusted by the mage

[strange python]

I use vendetta on prio target
never on CD though, just as close as it can be reasonably.

[stoic needle]

You should use it on cd

[strange python]

it is on cd but reasonably

[balmy condor]

Did you know that AR is a 3 min cd

[strange python]

you mean 1 minute?

LOL

[bitter drift]

Is sin a bit more active than it was in Legion? Last time I played Sin it was so low APM

[balmy condor]

That gets cast every 1:10

Because why?

[hollow escarp]

yeah, but it gets off cd faster than dreadfire bessel

[stoic needle]

I watched dei stream and he just uses everything on cd and yet still had vendetta up every boss

[hollow escarp]

ohh

[strange python]

built in CDR
on top of their great legendary
and the fact that their vanish is up every 45 seconds

:D

[iron orchid]

That's the timer of high keys that makes it so

[balmy condor]

Well I know why

[strange python]

Sin and sub rogue got screwed over this patch.

[balmy condor]

But why is that a thing

[stoic needle]

I did the same thing in my keys last night and also had vendetta up on every boss

CDs on cd

[balmy condor]

To just naturally reduce your cooldowns by 2/3rds

[strange python]

I feel like there wasn't enough testing.

[balmy condor]

Make AR a 6 minute cooldown

[hollow escarp]

I think you can even get it faster with the CDR roll

[stoic needle]

Cus it would be too easy to just give AR a 1min cd

[strange python]

Or like community response.

[stoic needle]

You have to work for it

[balmy condor]

AND IT WOULD STILL BE TWO MINUTES

[stoic needle]

By pressing buttons

[strange python]

But also everything that made our class great is gone.

[stoic needle]

It worked for me in a 12 and 14

I wouldn't exactly call those high

[strange python]

aren't those considered high keys for assassination..?

lmfao

[balmy condor]

We’re back to m+ timing

[stoic needle]

There's people here who do 18s and 19s as sin

[brittle pawn]

You don't need cds on pull for a boss in m+

[hollow escarp]

I just arrived

[balmy condor]

If your 12 takes 30 minutes, and dei’s 18 takes 30 minutes

[brittle pawn]

People make that mistake and hold cd forever

[balmy condor]

The timings will still line up

[brittle pawn]

As long as they're up during the fight is fine

[hollow escarp]

I did that in Legion and only used vendetta on bosses

managed to time +21s

probably got carried

[stoic needle]

Yeah I think people want to line up vendetta with lust or whatever but it's not as big of a deal as you'd think

[strange python]

the top 50 sin rogues on r.io are around +16-+15 level
so yeah I think right now 12's and 13's are considered a little high for the spec.

[iron orchid]

What I don't get is why they nerfed sin conduits so hard less than two weeks before SL release, just to give us 18% buff afterwards

[strange python]

but granted i dont know how many rogues there are on r.io

[shy dust]

They nerfed

Almost every conduit in the game

It wasn’t exclusive to sin

[iron orchid]

wrong reply thp

[iron orchid]

YUP

But hey

that was quite hard for us

[stoic needle]

They still will scale to ridiculous levels at high ilvl though

Some at least

[shy dust]

No it wasn’t

[strange python]

15,451 rogues on r.io
only the top 50 or so have KSM
I think there's an issue here.

[shy dust]

Sin DIDNT even have any nuts conduits on beta I believe

DD/count were the insane ones

[brittle pawn]

That doesn't sound right

[shy dust]

Sin just did low damage it wasn’t the conduit nerf

[strange python]

Can you imagine outlaw with rediculous haste number?
Vanish on a 20 second CD
AR on a 30 second CD?

[balmy condor]

At max rank lethal AND wps combined prenerf, master poisoner was viable after 220 ilvl

[stoic needle]

I want s1 ksm as sin

[balmy condor]

Not quite how that works

[shy dust]

Master poisoner

[stoic needle]

I'm gonna make this shit happen

[strange python]

I know that's not entirely how it works.

[shy dust]

You can get ksm playing survival

[balmy condor]

We take it over elaborate

Elaborate is like

[strange python]

I'm exaggerating the ridiculous situation we already have with this class.

[hollow escarp]

yeah, but people thinkg you are MM

[balmy condor]

Really awful

[stoic needle]

Not if you can't get invited to groups

[balmy condor]

I’ll race you to it

[stoic needle]

[hollow escarp]

count me in

[stoic needle]

I still have mostly 10s and 11s and no group, you'll probably beat me

[balmy condor]

Oh

Yeah that’s gonna suck for you

[stoic needle]

Idk where to find a group

[hollow escarp]

guild?

making my own group sucked so hard this week

[stoic needle]

Now that I'm out of the +10 hell pugs are a little better

My guild collapsed

I'm a free agent

[hollow escarp]

[brittle pawn]

He's on wyrmrest, 7s are endgame there

[balmy condor]

I made friends of friends, my friends

Adding tanks is huge

Tbh

[hollow escarp]

joined a new guild myself 2 weeks ago but people don't sign up for progress nights and only come on reclear for wednesday @stoic needle

[stoic needle]

I just got my first tank friend the other night

[balmy condor]

Like just having a list of tanks that will be like “yo this rogue poppin, we take those”

Is very nice

[stoic needle]

Yeah exactly haha

He was like 'i haven't seen a rogue in a while, I was hoping you'd be outlaw but I'll give you a chance'

[hollow escarp]

gonna try to do a key as sin now

[stoic needle]

A couple keys later he was like 'always a pleasure mr. Mut rogue'

[stoic needle]

Yeah I'm not looking forward to guild hopping until I find a decent one

[hollow escarp]

it's a bit different on alliance

[brittle pawn]

Avoidable damage was the most decent group I played with on wra

Just avoid Life

[stoic needle]

Oh really?

I was just thinking about checking them out

[brittle pawn]

Ad or life?

[stoic needle]

I'm probably gonna end up transferring anyway because I'm est

Life

[brittle pawn]

Life is drama central

And like 2x advertised hours

[stoic needle]

Damn

[strange python]

I'll be crafting my zoldyck i guess

I hate pvp'ing on my rogue
he's heavily undergeared and just feels like i'm in the wall of hpal and arms warrior every game 😂

[stoic needle]

RBGs man

Fuck arena

[strange python]

i don't have a dedicated group to do RBG

[stoic needle]

Neither do i

[brittle pawn]

Yea, grab your pitchfork and enjoy the farm life

[stoic needle]

Just join pugs that use voice chat

[strange python]

I'm just going to try to get KSM as Sin

Sin is the only rogue I really enjoy
Sub just feels so lackluster

[stoic needle]

Good luck doing that without some gear

[strange python]

i'm like 190 on my rogue lmfao

[stoic needle]

Yeah dude you need to pvp

You won't get shit from m+ nor from raids

You will hit a gear plateau around 10s, no one will invite you to anything higher without decent gear

I had to pvp to break it

1600 is literally free I did it in a week

1800 shouldn't take much longer

[strange python]

i'm like hovering around 1500
partially cause my gear is so bad 😂

[stoic needle]

A full set of the conquest gear should get you to 200

[strange python]

well yeah
i don't have a dedicated 2's partner
and well, i sorta just hate how arenas are going right now

[stoic needle]

That's what I'm saying

Stop doing arena

Do RBGs

[strange python]

XD alright

i'll see if i can sneak my way into some

[stoic needle]

Avoid yolo groups at all costs

Well you can do those to 1200

But after that don't join any group that doesn't use vc

[warped umbra]

I got to really like the playstyle of sub during SL but it feels to punishing in m+ and in raid while downtime and mechanics where you have to stop damage during cd windows..., Sin is okay I got my KSM today while being specced to sin

[stoic needle]

I went up 8 ilvl from 208 to 214 in 1 week of rbg

[spice spire]

Isn’t that 6?

[balmy condor]

not if you just don't think about it

[stoic needle]

Math is fake anyway

I meant 206

[balmy condor]

so then that's the 6

[spice spire]

Ahhh I see

[south nest]

There are enough people out there who take a Sin rogue to Myth+. You just have to find them :D.I made my first myth+ 13 with Sin today and since I had more dmg than with my Outlaw rogue (i hate outlaw so much that I prefer to solve 20 math exercises in school, which is probably also the reason why I do not make a dmg as outlaw...), my teammates were completely fine with it. I will continue to play Sin now as well. As Sin rogue you can easily make +15.

I'm sorry but somehow the sentence order above is not right at all...but I hope you understand what I mean 😄

[hollow escarp]

just 2 chested a +11 Spires as sin

with a 223 ret and 201 mm hunter

burrs more damage than Sepsis

[strange python]

I dunno if I'm opening in PvE with sin

I try to do what we did last expansion

garrote 3-4 targets
SND
Fan for CP for CT
then rupture targets

out of stealth ofc

[balmy condor]

yep

seems pretty normal

[strange python]

alright

just making sure
my damage is lackluster in comparison lol

[hollow escarp]

what talents are you playing? what's your ilvl?

[south nest]

2212223 in myth+

[hollow escarp]

I like master poisoner

[strange python]

yeah that's what I run

[south nest]

but first row im not sure

[hollow escarp]

I simmed 5 targets and MP looks better

[south nest]

but i think elaborate is the best

[strange python]

I think MP can have its uses but ti's still behind elaborate

[balmy condor]

EP for sure

[hollow escarp]

I'm gonna try to mix them up to see how they go

[stoic needle]

Run MFD so you don't have to use your first finisher after garottes on snd

[hollow escarp]

I tried Poisoned Katar in this dungeon but it feels so useless on bosses

[stoic needle]

It helps your dps a lot

[strange python]

why not just MFD and SND before the pull?

[stoic needle]

Pk is booty

[strange python]

but then vigor energy regen :(

[stoic needle]

Your bleeds are your energy regen

You have to use garotte on cd basically

And rupture at least 2 targets

[strange python]

of course
i know this
but having extra energy in the opener helps you as well :)

[south nest]

I am not a fan of MFD. Beacuse vigor is huge on boss. Especially with Tyrannical

[hollow escarp]

MFD gets a lot of value on outlaw because of CDR

[south nest]

but i will try MFD next run 😄

[hollow escarp]

it doesn't feel as bad on bosses

[strange python]

please don't remind me of restless blades

[stoic needle]

I don't notice the difference of not having vigor on bosses tbh

[south nest]

hmm ye should be fine for me withouth vigor. I have atm 700 haste

[stoic needle]

Idk what # it is but I have 23%

The only thing vigor seems to do for me is have more room to ||rupture snipe|| and not waste the energy gain

[south nest]

ye i have also 23% haste 😄 i will try next time MFD. But i think vigor is better with tyrannical affix

[stoic needle]

I've been running MFD exclusively and I am usually top boss dps on tyrranical or not heh

[hollow escarp]

gonna try a +13 Plaguefall now with MFD

lots of low hp mobs

[stoic needle]

Snipe the plagueborers

[south nest]

good luck 😄

[hollow escarp]

[stoic needle]

Honestly you don't have to go hard on sniping for MFD to be good

[hollow escarp]

ofc

it's just a good plus

also, imo mfd snd is such a big qol

[strange python]

it's literally savage roar

terrible

[stoic needle]

Yeah MFD SnD is amazing

God

Every time I have to press snd instead of rupture or ct during a pull it feels so bad

[south nest]

im not sure but could u do a MFD/ SND macro? or does that not work because gobal cd

[strange python]

you can do it

[south nest]

would be nice so u jsut have to press 1 button

[strange python]

MFD is not on the GCD

[stoic needle]

Now that's a cool idea

Now I'm thinking about adding a conditional to all of my macros to do mfd + finisher

[hollow escarp]

I have a bad keybind for MFD, it's Shift + D so when I want to envenom after it's a bit annoying

[stoic needle]

I put mine on a mouse button

[balmy condor]

MFD is on shift space bar

[stoic needle]

The biggest thing I did to get good with MfD was to make a weakaura that plays a sound every time it recharges

[balmy condor]

[strange python]

mfd is 5

[hollow escarp]

that's my random mount

[stoic needle]

Shift space is vanish for me

[hollow escarp]

5 is sap/poisoned knife

[south nest]

I wonder. What is your overall dmg in myth+? i had today with my first Sin run 4.2k (212)

[stoic needle]

My MFD recharged noise is a sword schwing noise

[hollow escarp]

4.6k dps in a +11 spires

[strange python]

2.9k at 187 😂

[south nest]

wow oke i have to improve 😄

[hollow escarp]

for comparison at 218

ret was 223, hunter 201

and kyrian

[south nest]

i love to see that.. fuck taht hunter

[hollow escarp]

neah

he said nice things about assa

he is happy to see assa rogues in M+

[stoic needle]

Yeah I'm getting around 4.5 most dungeons now

[hollow escarp]

I also trolled playing katar

[stoic needle]

At 214

[south nest]

oke big love to rheiner 😄

[stoic needle]

You know, this whole expansion I've never had anyone kick me from a key for being sin

Even when I was playing it pre first aura buffs