#assassination | Ravenholdt | Page 3908

warm parcel Jan 30, 2021, 1:38 AM

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And did lot more dmg, sure

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But thats not part of "feel good" to me

teal kettle Jan 30, 2021, 1:38 AM

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starting a pull and garroting 3 mobs for 3 cp is awful

grim canopy Jan 30, 2021, 1:38 AM

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hmm so buff fok?

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 1:38 AM

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teal kettle starting a pull and garroting 3 mobs for 3 cp is awful

the sad part is that's the best option rn

stoic needle Jan 30, 2021, 1:38 AM

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I personally have no problems with the current feeling of gameplay of sin, except fok being shit and putting up Ruptures not feeling rewarding in aoe

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Making rupture ticks cleave via some talent or effect would work

warm parcel Jan 30, 2021, 1:38 AM

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Like whats that gonna achieve again

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Other than pad meters

stoic needle Jan 30, 2021, 1:39 AM

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Making multidotting feel rewarding?

warm parcel Jan 30, 2021, 1:39 AM

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It is?

normal mist Jan 30, 2021, 1:39 AM

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Another 5% buff for us in February?!

warm parcel Jan 30, 2021, 1:39 AM

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Are you not seeing your energy bar fill up

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And speed up your rota x5

raven egret Jan 30, 2021, 1:39 AM

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try spamming fok out of combat

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and then with 5 ruptures

grim canopy Jan 30, 2021, 1:39 AM

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so sin multidot is good dmg in m+ atm?

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 1:39 AM

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idk how rewarding multidotting is when melee is top damage

raven egret Jan 30, 2021, 1:39 AM

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difference?

warm parcel Jan 30, 2021, 1:39 AM

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Its a night and day when it comes to regen on aoe

raven egret Jan 30, 2021, 1:39 AM

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yep

warm parcel Jan 30, 2021, 1:40 AM

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Melee isnt your top dmg if youre doing keys above 5

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Where mobs outlast a single garrote

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Like yea obviously in a real fast paced mongo, assa is going to feel bad

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Im 100% with you on that

normal mist Jan 30, 2021, 1:40 AM

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I just did a +10 where my 2nd top dmg is melee xD

cinder yoke Jan 30, 2021, 1:40 AM

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would be super nice if assassination had a moderately long cooldown for spreading dots

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1-2 mins

stoic needle Jan 30, 2021, 1:40 AM

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Energy regen is good I will agree but the dmg isn't there

warm parcel Jan 30, 2021, 1:40 AM

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But its not designed to be strong in quick burst scenarios in aoe

cinder yoke Jan 30, 2021, 1:40 AM

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cap it at 5/6

strange python Jan 30, 2021, 1:41 AM

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blindside and MA talents?

stoic needle Jan 30, 2021, 1:41 AM

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Like our bleeds just don't do enough dmg

warm parcel Jan 30, 2021, 1:41 AM

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Well if the enemies last long enough, assa will do real good steady aoe. It just again isnt something most players come up to in regular play

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So dots feel weak

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I get that

normal mist Jan 30, 2021, 1:41 AM

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Btw idk if this is true or not but:

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https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/class-tuning-underway-february-2/850599

World of Warcraft Forums

Class Tuning Underway -- February 2

Hello. At this time, we’re testing a round of adjustments to underperforming classes that we intend to make with weekly resets (on February 2 in this region). Classes Death Knight Frost All damage abilities increased by 5%. Demon Hunter Havoc All damage abilities increased by 3%. Hunter Beast Mastery All damage abilities inc...

balmy condor Jan 30, 2021, 1:42 AM

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dude another 5% to sin

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no way

normal mist Jan 30, 2021, 1:42 AM

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YES WAY

balmy condor Jan 30, 2021, 1:42 AM

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NO WAY

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 1:42 AM

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Popogacd

stoic needle Jan 30, 2021, 1:42 AM

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I mean I'm not doing 15+ keys, but in 12s and such the sustained aoe is decent but it's still not quite there

normal mist Jan 30, 2021, 1:42 AM

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YES. WAY.

balmy condor Jan 30, 2021, 1:42 AM

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(we already have updated sims and 2 pins on the matter btw, ya snooze ya lose)

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MenheraSmile

warm parcel Jan 30, 2021, 1:42 AM

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To be honest, Id say 12 in todays gear is low

normal mist Jan 30, 2021, 1:43 AM

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Shh I was doing m+ :(

warm parcel Jan 30, 2021, 1:43 AM

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Even 15 tyrannical will be too low for assas dots to really show their power

normal mist Jan 30, 2021, 1:43 AM

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Just... Resharing the happiness

warm parcel Jan 30, 2021, 1:44 AM

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Like this is from our recent slg

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So even at when theres an extra target only occasionally your melee quickly falls off

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Targets just need to live

stoic needle Jan 30, 2021, 1:45 AM

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I have no complaints about the damage profile

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My logs look similar

oblique flare Jan 30, 2021, 1:45 AM

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GUYS, will sin become viable after next weeks 5% buff!????

warm parcel Jan 30, 2021, 1:45 AM

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HELL YES

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ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED ALREADY

oblique flare Jan 30, 2021, 1:45 AM

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GUYS I SAW SIN IS GETTING A BUFF

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VIABLE!?

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 1:46 AM

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would need a 5-10% buff if you ask me

grim canopy Jan 30, 2021, 1:46 AM

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well everyone else is being buffed too who is low so sin might still be bottom

oblique flare Jan 30, 2021, 1:46 AM

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GUYS, VENTHYR OR NECRO FOR SIN?

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 1:46 AM

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yes

warm parcel Jan 30, 2021, 1:46 AM

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Sins bottom cause noone good plays it

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Just like all the other specs that are low

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They wouldnt be that low in reality

grim canopy Jan 30, 2021, 1:47 AM

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NF

warm parcel Jan 30, 2021, 1:47 AM

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Just as an example, top 5 logs for shriek are an average 5-7 ilvl lower

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And likely worse players than those that are sub

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And likely worse kill times

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so on n so on

grim canopy Jan 30, 2021, 1:48 AM

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so Peen isn't really that big?

warm parcel Jan 30, 2021, 1:48 AM

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A what

grim canopy Jan 30, 2021, 1:48 AM

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Peen, the premeire assasin rogue

warm parcel Jan 30, 2021, 1:48 AM

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No clue who that is sorry etu

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I mean rank6 shriek is a rando finnish casual

grim canopy Jan 30, 2021, 1:49 AM

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nevermind hes not first anymore

rugged dragon Jan 30, 2021, 1:52 AM

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How's assass compared to outlaw ST now?

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Ah, I didnt see another pin got added.

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Just saw the top one. My bad 😛

tidal gorge Jan 30, 2021, 1:52 AM

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Damage go brrrrrrrrrrr

warm parcel Jan 30, 2021, 1:53 AM

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If I were to go into this tier now with these numbers, Id 100% be assa

rugged dragon Jan 30, 2021, 1:53 AM

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I do hope so

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I love assassination.

warm parcel Jan 30, 2021, 1:53 AM

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Before sub was quite bit better pick for proge

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But now, especially knowing how some fights work, sub has clear weaknesses

faint harness Jan 30, 2021, 1:54 AM

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Which fights are those and why

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in particular

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just curious

obsidian willow Jan 30, 2021, 1:54 AM

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faint harness Which fights are those and why

Fights that arent pure ST

pliant apex Jan 30, 2021, 1:55 AM

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faint harness Which fights are those and why

Try playing sub with council

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Hard as nails to parse well

warm parcel Jan 30, 2021, 1:56 AM

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Council I feel breaks dance quite often, but maybe subs swap for attendants makes it better

pliant apex Jan 30, 2021, 1:56 AM

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Yeah

warm parcel Jan 30, 2021, 1:56 AM

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Huntsman I feel assa should easily beat

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 1:56 AM

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you can make council 95% single target

torpid spoke Jan 30, 2021, 1:56 AM

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lol

tidal gorge Jan 30, 2021, 1:56 AM

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Huntsman because 2-4 targets
Darkvein because 2-4 targets
SLG because 2-4 targets
Sun King debatable. It doesn't parse well but does well for shields

pliant apex Jan 30, 2021, 1:56 AM

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Sub is hard as hell

warm parcel Jan 30, 2021, 1:56 AM

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Hunger is straight up target dummy

torpid spoke Jan 30, 2021, 1:56 AM

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is 5% going to make sin good?

warm parcel Jan 30, 2021, 1:56 AM

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So up to pure st dps

pliant apex Jan 30, 2021, 1:56 AM

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Sub is spec for ppl who like difficult play style

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Outlaw too

warm parcel Jan 30, 2021, 1:56 AM

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Inerva sin if it were proge day and adds didnt die in 5 seconds, now sub/ol

faint harness Jan 30, 2021, 1:56 AM

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Sub is quite good on council cus you dont have to use backstab

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same with inerva

warm parcel Jan 30, 2021, 1:57 AM

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Yea I get fok is nice for sub on council

faint harness Jan 30, 2021, 1:57 AM

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more cps, more dance, more dmg

pliant apex Jan 30, 2021, 1:57 AM

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faint harness Sub is quite good on council cus you dont have to use backstab

You say that cause you probably a skilled player

faint harness Jan 30, 2021, 1:57 AM

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pliant apex You say that cause you probably a skilled player

Nono

warm parcel Jan 30, 2021, 1:57 AM

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But the constant melee breaks during dances makes sub suffer

faint harness Jan 30, 2021, 1:57 AM

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Its just how the spec works

cinder yoke Jan 30, 2021, 1:57 AM

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it depends on if people are trying to fluff numbers or kill the boss

pliant apex Jan 30, 2021, 1:57 AM

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It’s a VERY hard spec

cinder yoke Jan 30, 2021, 1:57 AM

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sub is amazing for council/inverva

faint harness Jan 30, 2021, 1:57 AM

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For boss dmg ye

cinder yoke Jan 30, 2021, 1:57 AM

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because you have plenty of irrelevant adds to funnel real targets

pliant apex Jan 30, 2021, 1:57 AM

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Only if you’re a good rogue

warm parcel Jan 30, 2021, 1:57 AM

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Sludge is hidden op for sin as subs burst sucks balls

pliant apex Jan 30, 2021, 1:57 AM

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Above average at least

warm parcel Jan 30, 2021, 1:58 AM

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Sins burst however is 📈

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SLG I feel sin too

faint harness Jan 30, 2021, 1:58 AM

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I feel like most fights are just bad for rogues overall, not like outlaw shines on slg or sin shines on huntsman. Just better than worst

warm parcel Jan 30, 2021, 1:58 AM

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Denny I honestly dno

tidal gorge Jan 30, 2021, 1:58 AM

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Quite good compared to what though? Sub on Darkvein is 4th from the bottom

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At 90th percentile

faint harness Jan 30, 2021, 1:58 AM

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Boss dmg is the metric

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on that fight

warm parcel Jan 30, 2021, 1:59 AM

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Im at least talking rogue spec vs rogue spec

faint harness Jan 30, 2021, 1:59 AM

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Adds are passively cleaved

warm parcel Jan 30, 2021, 1:59 AM

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Im not looking at other classes

faint harness Jan 30, 2021, 1:59 AM

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Yea ofc

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Still think outlaw is the best rogue spec on slg and denny

vast patio Jan 30, 2021, 2:00 AM

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how many tuning passes will it take

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just saw the feb 2 notes, lol.

cinder yoke Jan 30, 2021, 2:00 AM

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outlaw is absolutely the play for slg

pliant sorrel Jan 30, 2021, 2:00 AM

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until sin gets to rock zoldycks and duskwalkers again

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kekw

regal cape Jan 30, 2021, 2:01 AM

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Or dashing zoldyck

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 2:01 AM

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which one was the lower CD vendetta?

pliant sorrel Jan 30, 2021, 2:01 AM

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duskwalker

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 2:01 AM

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boots, right

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yeah

pliant sorrel Jan 30, 2021, 2:01 AM

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idk if its the nerfed legion version

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or unnerfed

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i forget

lost sentinel Jan 30, 2021, 2:01 AM

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I wanna play sin but I have not kept up with my weekly torghast lol

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I guess next tier is a thing

regal cape Jan 30, 2021, 2:02 AM

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Dusk, but that was reliant on the relics and reducing the cd to sync with other cds

warm parcel Jan 30, 2021, 2:03 AM

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Boots kinda will not be something you wanna have if it desyncs vanish

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As assas generally been all about the 2min window

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 2:03 AM

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I was kinda weird and played vision of perfection in 8.3 PEPW

pliant sorrel Jan 30, 2021, 2:04 AM

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yea boots got nerfed and every assass swapped to MA

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when u poison bomb with vendoota shiv and MA up

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peepohappy

slender peak Jan 30, 2021, 2:04 AM

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faint harness Boss dmg is the metric

People might look at boss damage but you can parse only on boss damage so that why sub is at the bottom.

faint harness Jan 30, 2021, 2:05 AM

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Don't care a whole lot for the farm logs tbh

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For prog you want boss dmg mainly

pliant sorrel Jan 30, 2021, 2:06 AM

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apl inst updated with hotfix right?

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oh no

warm parcel Jan 30, 2021, 2:06 AM

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apl isnt what handles that, but no that change likely isnt in rb

pliant sorrel Jan 30, 2021, 2:06 AM

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cause iits not live yet

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goes live tues right

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yea

warm parcel Jan 30, 2021, 2:07 AM

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With the weekly reset

grim canopy Jan 30, 2021, 2:08 AM

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anyone here stream assassin

pliant sorrel Jan 30, 2021, 2:08 AM

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if i maff good

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put sin behind sub for me about 100-200

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peeposhrug

faint harness Jan 30, 2021, 2:08 AM

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Its in pins

grim canopy Jan 30, 2021, 2:08 AM

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pliant sorrel if i maff good

will it be good in m+ tho

cinder yoke Jan 30, 2021, 2:08 AM

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never

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sweeping prediction

pliant sorrel Jan 30, 2021, 2:09 AM

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o

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its literally is in the pin

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guess i maffed good

faint harness Jan 30, 2021, 2:09 AM

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I mean its like 3% better than before

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🙂

grim canopy Jan 30, 2021, 2:09 AM

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too much auto attack

faint harness Jan 30, 2021, 2:09 AM

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m+ stonks rising

pliant sorrel Jan 30, 2021, 2:09 AM

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dont hold the line

grim canopy Jan 30, 2021, 2:09 AM

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i told them dont put in SND

pliant sorrel Jan 30, 2021, 2:09 AM

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sell all rogue stonk

grim canopy Jan 30, 2021, 2:09 AM

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they dindt listen

slender peak Jan 30, 2021, 2:10 AM

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rip having to make another legendary 😦

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 2:10 AM

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apply as outlaw, change spec before key is in

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and outdps the boomkin

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YEP

grim canopy Jan 30, 2021, 2:10 AM

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wtf

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 2:10 AM

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it's easier to notice when that happens, because it is expected for boomies and fire mages to be top dps in keys

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when they are not, you are more likely to notice LULW

grim canopy Jan 30, 2021, 2:11 AM

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so no single sins streamer exists?

warm parcel Jan 30, 2021, 2:11 AM

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There are no sin players etu

grim canopy Jan 30, 2021, 2:11 AM

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i even see Demo ones dude

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lol

slender peak Jan 30, 2021, 2:11 AM

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all the rogue streamers probably went sub or outlaw

pliant sorrel Jan 30, 2021, 2:12 AM

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or windwalker

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kekw

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 2:12 AM

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or hunter

warm parcel Jan 30, 2021, 2:12 AM

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I had to play the ap bot this tier Sadge

faint harness Jan 30, 2021, 2:12 AM

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Rogues broadcasting their stealth shenanigans seems quite counterproductive, makes sense

warm parcel Jan 30, 2021, 2:12 AM

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Maybe we back to assa next tier

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 2:12 AM

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I can stream oribos laps, I'm sin specced sillyChamp

grim canopy Jan 30, 2021, 2:12 AM

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in rated BGs what is Rogues role?

pliant sorrel Jan 30, 2021, 2:12 AM

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sap flag takers

grim canopy Jan 30, 2021, 2:12 AM

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defend a point?

pliant sorrel Jan 30, 2021, 2:12 AM

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kekw

faint harness Jan 30, 2021, 2:13 AM

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Be an annoying piece of shit

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 2:13 AM

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harrass and afk at point

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and call for help

pliant sorrel Jan 30, 2021, 2:13 AM

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maybe dbl leggo save rogue

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pls roon carver

grim canopy Jan 30, 2021, 2:13 AM

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ahh lame i like being w/ group and just killing people 1 by 1

faint harness Jan 30, 2021, 2:13 AM

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Why do you still assume they will allow 2 legendaries monkahmm

pliant sorrel Jan 30, 2021, 2:13 AM

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wat u think he gunna do with his other hand

faint harness Jan 30, 2021, 2:13 AM

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make the 1 stronger

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aka more levels

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 2:14 AM

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Hmmmge

grim canopy Jan 30, 2021, 2:14 AM

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rogue has the lamest cov powers

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all 4

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 2:14 AM

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I'm ok with that

pliant sorrel Jan 30, 2021, 2:14 AM

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im not thats lame af

slender peak Jan 30, 2021, 2:14 AM

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what and just add more secondary stats? that sounds boring

grim canopy Jan 30, 2021, 2:14 AM

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sepsis shoulda spread to targets

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 2:14 AM

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I can play what covenant I want without being dead weight

grim canopy Jan 30, 2021, 2:14 AM

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true

faint harness Jan 30, 2021, 2:14 AM

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They are bringing back set pieces

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 2:14 AM

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well, I play rogue

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so I'm already dead weight

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PEPW

pliant sorrel Jan 30, 2021, 2:15 AM

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and? stack the power creep

grim canopy Jan 30, 2021, 2:15 AM

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venthyr xmogs elite for rogue

pliant sorrel Jan 30, 2021, 2:15 AM

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lets gooooooooooo

grim canopy Jan 30, 2021, 2:15 AM

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back blades

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 2:15 AM

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faint harness They are bringing back set pieces

pretty sure Ion said Torghast is gonna inspire future tier sets PauseChamp

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Sepsis spread quinPray

pliant sorrel Jan 30, 2021, 2:16 AM

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but maybe right 2 leggos may break game peeposhrug

raven egret Jan 30, 2021, 2:16 AM

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nah

grim canopy Jan 30, 2021, 2:16 AM

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9.3

raven egret Jan 30, 2021, 2:16 AM

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theyll bring out new memories and shit

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 2:16 AM

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9.3.2 will fix everything

raven egret Jan 30, 2021, 2:16 AM

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way before double lege

faint harness Jan 30, 2021, 2:17 AM

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blizzconline in 2.5 week

grim canopy Jan 30, 2021, 2:17 AM

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rogue with the NF transmog set looks dumb as heck. orc in a druid gear

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very G

faint harness Jan 30, 2021, 2:18 AM

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mogs

deft sparrow Jan 30, 2021, 2:18 AM

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Will sin be better than outlaw on pure ST?.

faint harness Jan 30, 2021, 2:18 AM

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No

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 2:18 AM

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using current content mogs

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Weirdga

rugged dragon Jan 30, 2021, 2:18 AM

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Sin wont be better than outlaw on pure ST?

grim canopy Jan 30, 2021, 2:18 AM

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make 1 of each crafted set for that mog. the feet are fucking huge for leather set tho

rugged dragon Jan 30, 2021, 2:19 AM

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I thought sub > outlaw on ST

pliant sorrel Jan 30, 2021, 2:19 AM

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more like

grim canopy Jan 30, 2021, 2:19 AM

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outlaw deserves to be first, u need cat like reflex to play it

pliant sorrel Jan 30, 2021, 2:19 AM

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sub = outlaw if outlaw get good buffs

rugged dragon Jan 30, 2021, 2:19 AM

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''if''

pliant sorrel Jan 30, 2021, 2:19 AM

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ya

rugged dragon Jan 30, 2021, 2:19 AM

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cant rely on the if.

pliant sorrel Jan 30, 2021, 2:20 AM

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but if ur obssessed with logs

rugged dragon Jan 30, 2021, 2:20 AM

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meaning, outlaw is worse on ST

pliant sorrel Jan 30, 2021, 2:20 AM

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thats what ull see

faint harness Jan 30, 2021, 2:21 AM

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Outlaw is practically equal with sub on st

pliant sorrel Jan 30, 2021, 2:21 AM

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yes

faint harness Jan 30, 2021, 2:21 AM

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So therefore

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sin is worse than outlaw

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on st

slender peak Jan 30, 2021, 2:21 AM

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grim canopy outlaw deserves to be first, u need cat like reflex to play it

wait the spec that relies on RNG should be first on ST and one of the hardest specs in the game shouldnt be first?

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 2:21 AM

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the rng aspect of outlaw is not that bad

rugged dragon Jan 30, 2021, 2:21 AM

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Its way better with CtO yeah. But still

pliant sorrel Jan 30, 2021, 2:21 AM

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people still think rtb is from legion

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its not bad at all lol

rugged dragon Jan 30, 2021, 2:22 AM

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it annoys the shit outta me, I wanna switch to assass asap

strange python Jan 30, 2021, 2:22 AM

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slender peak wait the spec that relies on RNG should be first on ST and one of the hardest sp...

what u mean hardest specs in game

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sin is just leather warrior

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 2:22 AM

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so many baits tonight

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pepegSitCatchmentingFishment

gusty mirage Jan 30, 2021, 2:22 AM

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concernedpopcorn

slender peak Jan 30, 2021, 2:22 AM

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strange python sin is just leather warrior

not sin was talking about sub

gusty mirage Jan 30, 2021, 2:22 AM

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sub has rng of its own lol

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but ok

faint harness Jan 30, 2021, 2:22 AM

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Its very low rng

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One of the least rng specs in the game afaik

pliant sorrel Jan 30, 2021, 2:23 AM

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pretty consistent rng too

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 2:23 AM

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the cp generation?

slender peak Jan 30, 2021, 2:23 AM

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it doesnt have RTB and takes way more skill to manage your SDs or your dps will be trash

pliant sorrel Jan 30, 2021, 2:23 AM

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dont even need to worry about it when ur dancing

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i find my self clipping over more abilities as ol than sub

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maybe cause i play sub more idk peeposhrug

sullen pagoda Jan 30, 2021, 2:25 AM

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big skill PepeFull

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 2:25 AM

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mtvcribs PogU

sullen pagoda Jan 30, 2021, 2:25 AM

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👋 hello

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 2:26 AM

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sylvanas gang Stronge

sullen pagoda Jan 30, 2021, 2:26 AM

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😮 are you from sylvanas

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the og gang pepehands

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 2:26 AM

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still there PepegaHands

sullen pagoda Jan 30, 2021, 2:26 AM

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are you in honolulu pepeM

gusty mirage Jan 30, 2021, 2:26 AM

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damn this is wholesome af

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 2:27 AM

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no lol

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but they are hard carrying the server

sullen pagoda Jan 30, 2021, 2:28 AM

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ye i was actually checking the server out how they doing few days ago only like them and unknown entity raiding seriously

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 2:28 AM

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pretty much

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and pretty good for an alliance realm

sullen pagoda Jan 30, 2021, 2:30 AM

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yeah nice to see some alliance holding out, i ditched alliance with bfa start pepehands

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i even ditched rogue now pepehands red rogue life

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 2:30 AM

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limber lion Jan 30, 2021, 2:32 AM

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K boys I'm only playing Assa from now on.

wide bolt Jan 30, 2021, 2:32 AM

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what a chad

grim canopy Jan 30, 2021, 2:34 AM

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limber lion K boys I'm only playing Assa from now on.

fotm reroller

limber lion Jan 30, 2021, 2:35 AM

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True assa fanboy right here, just haven't been able to play it in raids because it was underperforming too much.

old snow Jan 30, 2021, 2:35 AM

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grim canopy so no single sins streamer exists?

twitch.tv/kekknis for 2.1k pvp assa gameplay exists

raven egret Jan 30, 2021, 2:36 AM

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sounds like sub in disguise

old snow Jan 30, 2021, 2:36 AM

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i assure you it is not

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 2:37 AM

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limber lion True assa fanboy right here, just haven't been able to play it in raids because ...

after the recent change it wasn't too bad in raids, maybe I'm bad at outlaw but my best parse on Shriekwing in terms of dps is on assassination

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3850 something dps

raven egret Jan 30, 2021, 2:37 AM

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best dps or parse

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oh wait

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yea on shriek u should probably do more as sin

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really bad downtime

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 2:37 AM

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📎 unknown.png

raven egret Jan 30, 2021, 2:37 AM

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well maybe u could do better as ol

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just the downtime is real bad

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 2:38 AM

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yeah

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those pistol shots don't do much

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PepeLaugh

raven egret Jan 30, 2021, 2:38 AM

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spam spam spam spam

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 2:39 AM

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yeah, I'm bad at outlaw

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even on huntsman I had more dps LULW

raven egret Jan 30, 2021, 2:39 AM

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i play decent on ol but i might get to play assa now on prog

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which is really nice

limber lion Jan 30, 2021, 2:40 AM

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Yeah comparing my best two parses it wasn't far off

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https://gyazo.com/954b3cc0f6486f557e72e23fb2d4a79b

Gyazo

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 2:40 AM

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haven't played sub for over a month now

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I want to try korayn sin on huntsman

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not sure how to reliably sim if it's better

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better than niya I mean

rigid wyvern Jan 30, 2021, 2:42 AM

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wait why

fair void Jan 30, 2021, 2:42 AM

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! stats

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!stats

prisma monolithBOT Jan 30, 2021, 2:43 AM

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**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

dense seal Jan 30, 2021, 2:43 AM

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!bis

prisma monolithBOT Jan 30, 2021, 2:43 AM

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Whispyrs Bis list: http://tiny.cc/76r5tz

cursive quiver Jan 30, 2021, 2:43 AM

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hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 2:43 AM

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rigid wyvern wait why

4 targets where I can benefit from extra damage on first 25% HP

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and zoldyck

cursive quiver Jan 30, 2021, 2:44 AM

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im parsing better then sub on most fights

dense seal Jan 30, 2021, 2:44 AM

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man

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im gonna go back to sin after this reset i think

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i have enough soul ash to make a rank 4 leggo cant decide btwn dashing and zoldyck tho

rigid wyvern Jan 30, 2021, 2:44 AM

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I'm like pretty sure thats not how the numbers work out

loud horizon Jan 30, 2021, 2:45 AM

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Will assa be a option with the 5% buff

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Or still to weak?

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 2:45 AM

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check pins for more details

rigid wyvern Jan 30, 2021, 2:45 AM

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its still only a 10% buff on 1/10th of your damage or so + 20s of crit over the course of the fight

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 2:45 AM

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last 2 pins

rigid wyvern Jan 30, 2021, 2:45 AM

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just doesnt seem worth over niya w/ brambles

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 2:45 AM

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that's what I'm thinking

cursive quiver Jan 30, 2021, 2:46 AM

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i use niya with two p otency

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 2:46 AM

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right now it might be better

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but not next week

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niya bis YEP

loud horizon Jan 30, 2021, 2:46 AM

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hollow escarp last 2 pins

Thanks

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 2:46 AM

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np

loud horizon Jan 30, 2021, 2:46 AM

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Will you switch ?

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 2:47 AM

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I already multispecced

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didn't really ditch assa

loud horizon Jan 30, 2021, 2:47 AM

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Ah okay yea i currently play sub and Outlaw

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Dont know if i should learn assa aswell

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 2:47 AM

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maintaining all 3 specs is fun and not that hard

cursive quiver Jan 30, 2021, 2:47 AM

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once beter gear comes out ass will be up there

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 2:47 AM

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wish they made spec specific conduits

loud horizon Jan 30, 2021, 2:48 AM

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Yea would be nice

fleet thorn Jan 30, 2021, 2:49 AM

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are...are we back boys?

gusty mirage Jan 30, 2021, 2:50 AM

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maybe

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it'll be interesting to see how it plays out over the next couple of weeks

inland heath Jan 30, 2021, 2:55 AM

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can i play assa now i only do mythic+ i am soo sick of outlaw T-T

pulsar coral Jan 30, 2021, 2:56 AM

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lol no

inland heath Jan 30, 2021, 2:56 AM

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fuck

gusty mirage Jan 30, 2021, 2:56 AM

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probably, just gotta find people who are okay with you doing no damage outside of the bosses lol

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it'd be fun to try on tyran weeks

strange python Jan 30, 2021, 2:56 AM

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Sub will still be better for that playstyle because black powder gives it aoe viability

balmy condor Jan 30, 2021, 2:57 AM

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powder isn't that good though

strange python Jan 30, 2021, 2:57 AM

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Better than sin sustained non-cleavw aoe

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Cleave*

inland heath Jan 30, 2021, 2:57 AM

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i miss bfa assa aoe potential dude was soo good for big fans

balmy condor Jan 30, 2021, 2:57 AM

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against like 6-7 targets maybe

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not against 5

gusty mirage Jan 30, 2021, 2:58 AM

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3x eb + ct on fort weeks

opal prawn Jan 30, 2021, 2:58 AM

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assassin buff is big yea?

gusty mirage Jan 30, 2021, 2:58 AM

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😦

balmy condor Jan 30, 2021, 3:00 AM

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opal prawn assassin buff is big yea?

bout 3.5% from where it is right now

opal prawn Jan 30, 2021, 3:01 AM

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wow

mortal tartan Jan 30, 2021, 3:02 AM

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theres more sin buffs?

vocal sierra Jan 30, 2021, 3:02 AM

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Assa get buffed again

strange python Jan 30, 2021, 3:03 AM

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Sub back to worst spec

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 3:04 AM

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wouldn't go that far

strange python Jan 30, 2021, 3:04 AM

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Nathria mechanics are so anti-sub

mortal tartan Jan 30, 2021, 3:05 AM

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are they just damage buffs?

vocal sierra Jan 30, 2021, 3:05 AM

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How much will this 5 % be in practice?

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 3:05 AM

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just tuning, yes

raw tusk Jan 30, 2021, 3:05 AM

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im sure this has been asked a bunch but ive been afk since the update popped. Are the sims updated for it?

balmy condor Jan 30, 2021, 3:06 AM

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vocal sierra How much will this 5 % be in practice?

#assassination message

dark arrow Jan 30, 2021, 3:06 AM

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Just got enough soul ash to get my 2nd 235 legendary (I save my ash until I can get the ilvl 235 outright). I got the pants last time, what would everyone reccomend for a second legendary?

balmy condor Jan 30, 2021, 3:06 AM

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raw tusk im sure this has been asked a bunch but ive been afk since the update popped. Ar...

no

raw tusk Jan 30, 2021, 3:06 AM

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@balmy condor alright thanks

vocal sierra Jan 30, 2021, 3:07 AM

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What is that Whispyr

balmy condor Jan 30, 2021, 3:07 AM

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vocal sierra What is that Whispyr

a link to me answering that question about 5 minutes before you

vocal sierra Jan 30, 2021, 3:08 AM

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Lead me to nowhere, but thx

balmy condor Jan 30, 2021, 3:08 AM

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that's the point kekw

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it's right above you

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 3:08 AM

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it does highlight the message for 1-2 sec

vocal sierra Jan 30, 2021, 3:10 AM

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😏

dark arrow Jan 30, 2021, 3:11 AM

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I think i will just go with the ring

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 3:12 AM

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Hmmmge

vocal sierra Jan 30, 2021, 3:13 AM

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Assa gets closer, if its true about that 3.5% its still not equal to the other Specs

drowsy hollow Jan 30, 2021, 3:18 AM

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How many more buffs. 😄

mortal tartan Jan 30, 2021, 3:19 AM

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pve content is kind of a joke so im hoping these sin buffs are okay in pvp

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but if its just number buffs then its probably not

stoic needle Jan 30, 2021, 3:20 AM

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rigid wyvern its still only a 10% buff on 1/10th of your damage or so + 20s of crit over the ...

@hollow escarp damage is shared between huntsman and the dogs, so you double dip on wild hunt tactics

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 3:20 AM

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totally forgot that

stoic needle Jan 30, 2021, 3:21 AM

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I think it's definitely got potential

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That means zoldyck double dips too

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Same for sire

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 3:21 AM

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I guess I'm gonna wipe my group next raid so I can test both niya and korayn PEPW

mortal tartan Jan 30, 2021, 3:22 AM

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i gave up on rogue so i've been playing feral

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convoke is so much fun

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rogue covenants are so boring compared

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 3:23 AM

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my feral alt is venthyr

stoic needle Jan 30, 2021, 3:23 AM

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inland heath can i play assa now i only do mythic+ i am soo sick of outlaw T-T

Yes you can, you have been able to since before this buff

rigid wyvern Jan 30, 2021, 3:23 AM

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shit you right

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didnt think about the shared damage

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 3:24 AM

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I knew about it on my first time doing the boss

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but totally forgot since then

stoic needle Jan 30, 2021, 3:28 AM

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You also get bonus damage on the shades too

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If they die fast enough that you don't need to swap you can just poison knife them or something for a first strike proc and keep tunneling huntsman kekw

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 3:29 AM

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Hmmmge

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I haven't been focusing shades since my first hc kill

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they die too fast

mortal tartan Jan 30, 2021, 3:30 AM

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shades don't count towards the logs right

hazy plank Jan 30, 2021, 3:30 AM

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the damage is normalized

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 3:30 AM

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^

stable moss Jan 30, 2021, 3:36 AM

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so i noticed that i was trying out assa with my outlaw conduits and ambush is procing some roll the bones buffs for assa lol

pulsar sluice Jan 30, 2021, 3:36 AM

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sin just needs cut to the chase back

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 3:37 AM

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stable moss so i noticed that i was trying out assa with my outlaw conduits and ambush is pr...

I think that was a bug on beta

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not sure if it was fixed

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PepeLaugh

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or maybe it's intended

strange python Jan 30, 2021, 3:38 AM

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vocal sierra Assa gets closer, if its true about that 3.5% its still not equal to the other S...

It has a lot of nathria fights where it is inherently advantaged over sub if the sims are even remotely close. Hungering downtime, artificer downtime, council rupture regen all favor sin over both of the other specs

stable moss Jan 30, 2021, 3:38 AM

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true berrings dosnt work for vendetta

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just tried it

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 3:38 AM

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lol

stable moss Jan 30, 2021, 3:39 AM

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idk if the buffs are showing and not giving the effect or the tool tip says additional

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so if i dont already have a cdr effect then it wont work im guessing

balmy condor Jan 30, 2021, 3:39 AM

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(the conduits are also bad for sin)

stable moss Jan 30, 2021, 3:40 AM

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just tested and the buffs show up but doesnt give effect

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had the slice and dice one proc and didnt give me slice time on finisher

sleek otter Jan 30, 2021, 3:44 AM

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!bis

prisma monolithBOT Jan 30, 2021, 3:44 AM

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Whispyrs Bis list: http://tiny.cc/76r5tz

summer cedar Jan 30, 2021, 3:49 AM

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Is Niya the best soulbind at renown 30? Thinking about swapping from kyrian

livid temple Jan 30, 2021, 3:49 AM

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Feels so weird that somes classes have Giga covenants, legendaries or conduits, and rogues are all kinda meh it's almost like the class teams don't communicate with how balls to the wall they go, because balance Druid went crazy and rogue just kinda half assed it

drowsy hollow Jan 30, 2021, 3:52 AM

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Rogue was the most disappointing of covenant abilities. Maybe they were scared to give a lockdown class like rogue a bigger button to press?

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But even shaman abilities are 7-10% of their overall

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 3:54 AM

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but at least you can actually make a choice

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and you are not forced in a covenant

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I'm ok with covenant ability being less than 5% of my dps

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or impact

stoic needle Jan 30, 2021, 3:55 AM

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A choice between 4 different kinds of shit is still shit

karmic tusk Jan 30, 2021, 3:55 AM

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Rather have one covenant actually do something instead of them all being shit

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 3:55 AM

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and then ya'll will complain that you are forced to play the covenant you don't like PepeLaugh

stoic needle Jan 30, 2021, 3:55 AM

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And you still can't really pick whichever one you want because some of them are just complete garbage

livid temple Jan 30, 2021, 3:55 AM

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I mean covenant design seems all over the place, some people got big cooldowns (wild spirits, convoke) or mid sized CDs that help with downtime (abomb limb, blood mist) and others that help fill gaps in the rotation (condemn go Burr, primordial)

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And all of rogues doesn't really change anything

stoic needle Jan 30, 2021, 3:56 AM

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And we get flagellation

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FeelsWeird

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 3:56 AM

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flagellation is fine, it's like what, 0.8% of dps?

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pepLaff

livid temple Jan 30, 2021, 3:56 AM

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Yeah exactly, is it really a choice if the choice doesn't do anything

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 3:56 AM

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but you get big gorgoyles in HoA

livid temple Jan 30, 2021, 3:56 AM

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At least a hunter can choose to have a Giga CD or the wrong covenant

strange python Jan 30, 2021, 3:57 AM

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balmy condor (the conduits are also bad for sin)

Is there any spec with good covenants? Honestly everyone I look at or talk to mentions their spec having trash conduits

stoic needle Jan 30, 2021, 3:57 AM

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It's literally impossible to get max stacks of flag at current gear levels

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As sin *

drowsy hollow Jan 30, 2021, 3:57 AM

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It works better for sub who gets a decent amount of haste

stoic needle Jan 30, 2021, 3:57 AM

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Sub doesn't have haste, they just have good combo point generation

drowsy hollow Jan 30, 2021, 3:58 AM

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I like it's mini game with the rotation the most so my rogue went Venthyr

stoic needle Jan 30, 2021, 3:58 AM

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My condolences

drowsy hollow Jan 30, 2021, 3:58 AM

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I mean they get the most haste out of it

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 3:58 AM

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I get max stacks pretty often on my venthyr rogue, but I rarely play it

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it's the horde alt

stoic needle Jan 30, 2021, 3:58 AM

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It's only possible as sub and outlaw

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Cuz they get CP out the wazoo

drowsy hollow Jan 30, 2021, 3:59 AM

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I split up my leather classes between the 4 covenants for transmog purposes, none of the others were going Venthyr so rogue got it by default

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Works out that I like it the best of the 4 anyways

stoic needle Jan 30, 2021, 3:59 AM

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I want them to rework venthyr so I can go back to it

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But it's just actually handicapping yourself as sin

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 4:00 AM

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well, if we go for actual the bests, pretty sure venthyr is not

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atm kyrian is

stoic needle Jan 30, 2021, 4:00 AM

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Nf though

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 4:00 AM

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and prob nf next week

drowsy hollow Jan 30, 2021, 4:00 AM

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I said I like it the best, not that it was

livid temple Jan 30, 2021, 4:00 AM

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@strange python classes that have good covenant abilities tend to also have good conduit(s) anything that makes their giga button more Giga is win

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 4:00 AM

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ohh

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I see

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I have a 48 characters spreadsheet that I wanna get to max level until the end of the expansion happymalddent

mortal tartan Jan 30, 2021, 4:03 AM

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i just got swapped to windfury group for pumping so hard

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 4:03 AM

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you got 2 melee groups?

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PeepoShake

hardy rapids Jan 30, 2021, 4:04 AM

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so im outlaw and i want to switch to sin when the next buffs come out is haste,verse good?

slender peak Jan 30, 2021, 4:04 AM

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strange python Is there any spec with good covenants? Honestly everyone I look at or talk to me...

Stilleto Sticato is not bad for sub. go from having 2 shadowblades to 3 most fights

hardy rapids Jan 30, 2021, 4:04 AM

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instead of haste,crit

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 4:04 AM

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!stats

prisma monolithBOT Jan 30, 2021, 4:04 AM

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**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

livid temple Jan 30, 2021, 4:06 AM

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Haste cap is around 18%-19% right?

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 4:06 AM

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haste cap?

stoic needle Jan 30, 2021, 4:07 AM

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There is no haste cap

📎 1e010860bd165f91ba3c81c83bc285bb_xl-1.jpg

livid temple Jan 30, 2021, 4:07 AM

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Lol sorry around 18% haste was when Crit started being weighted more than haste

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 4:08 AM

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sometimes I question my current knowledge when I see these questions LULW

livid temple Jan 30, 2021, 4:08 AM

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But haste is always good

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 4:08 AM

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not sure if sin has diminishing returns on haste

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or where is that exactly

livid temple Jan 30, 2021, 4:09 AM

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Also what did they do to rogues mastery going into this expansion? I know it always sucked for Outlaw, but I remember it use to be good for Sub and Sin and now it's trash for both?

stoic needle Jan 30, 2021, 4:09 AM

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Vers is just better

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Because it does whatever mastery does but also buffs the rest of your damage at the same time

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Stupid stat

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I hate it

fleet whale Jan 30, 2021, 4:10 AM

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ep or blindside for sun king

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what shouldi run?

livid temple Jan 30, 2021, 4:10 AM

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I mean they could make it better if it actually had good interactions

stoic needle Jan 30, 2021, 4:10 AM

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EP for sun king methinks

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 4:10 AM

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ep + subterfurge

fleet whale Jan 30, 2021, 4:11 AM

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well i run subter for everything anyway

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fuck MA lol

stoic needle Jan 30, 2021, 4:11 AM

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this PvP gear gives me so much vers I hate it

inner granite Jan 30, 2021, 4:11 AM

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So is it looking like Sin will be a good contender in raid going forward?

stoic needle Jan 30, 2021, 4:11 AM

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MA is great get outta here

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 4:11 AM

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MA is better in single target

stoic needle Jan 30, 2021, 4:11 AM

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I don't get why people don't like having 1.5 legendaries

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Because that's what MA is

mortal tartan Jan 30, 2021, 4:11 AM

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MA is sick

fleet whale Jan 30, 2021, 4:12 AM

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more like 1.25

stoic needle Jan 30, 2021, 4:12 AM

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??

fleet whale Jan 30, 2021, 4:12 AM

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shorter duration and half the crit

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 4:12 AM

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the opener with MA is a bit annoying

stoic needle Jan 30, 2021, 4:12 AM

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It's the same duration

fleet whale Jan 30, 2021, 4:12 AM

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MA talent is 3 seconds

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isn't the leggo 4

stoic needle Jan 30, 2021, 4:13 AM

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Oh wtf

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monkahmm

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 4:13 AM

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it's a lidl legendary

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still good

stoic needle Jan 30, 2021, 4:13 AM

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Okay so 1.45 legendaries

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Lmao

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Idk I like being able to get up SnD instantly and a longer rupture

echo cargo Jan 30, 2021, 4:13 AM

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livid temple Haste cap is around 18%-19% right?

currently at 21% and its still bis :p

mortal tartan Jan 30, 2021, 4:14 AM

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you cant cap stats this early

fleet whale Jan 30, 2021, 4:15 AM

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I just hate how unreliable MA is

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getting 3 or even 2 cp muts isn't fun

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 4:15 AM

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didn't have issues

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but I play Vigor

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easier to cap cp

mortal tartan Jan 30, 2021, 4:16 AM

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if you vanish after your opener nearly all your bleeds are crit

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i don't see the problem with it

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 4:16 AM

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wait

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are we talking about the legendary or the talent?

mortal tartan Jan 30, 2021, 4:16 AM

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talent

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 4:16 AM

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talent is 50% crit

mortal tartan Jan 30, 2021, 4:16 AM

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fk the leggo

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yeah on top of your like 20% that you probably already have

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"nearly" all your bleeds

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 4:17 AM

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yeah

fleet whale Jan 30, 2021, 4:17 AM

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i play vigor too

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still don't like MA

mortal tartan Jan 30, 2021, 4:18 AM

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i couldn't imagine not playing with vigor lmao

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 4:18 AM

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I want Deeper Stratagem to be better

fleet whale Jan 30, 2021, 4:18 AM

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apparently if you are ultra geared an using dashing scoundrel

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DS sims higher

mortal tartan Jan 30, 2021, 4:18 AM

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deeper strat will be better late expac

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when we have more haste

fleet whale Jan 30, 2021, 4:18 AM

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maybe maybe not

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i think vigor is too good personally

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 4:19 AM

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maybe next tier

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peepoShrug

fleet whale Jan 30, 2021, 4:19 AM

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also note that every secondary drs hard eventually

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in sl

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 4:20 AM

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why is that though?

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or how is it different than bfa?

slender peak Jan 30, 2021, 4:20 AM

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why would anyone use MA talent as sin? empowered garrote with subterfuge is so much better

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 4:20 AM

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MA is better single target

mortal tartan Jan 30, 2021, 4:20 AM

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in mythics yes

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single target its awkward and makes you hold vanish for like 20 seconds

slender peak Jan 30, 2021, 4:21 AM

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even with a vanish reapply garrot during pandemic on ST its better?

mortal tartan Jan 30, 2021, 4:21 AM

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not reliable really

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 4:21 AM

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you can sim it

mortal tartan Jan 30, 2021, 4:22 AM

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if garrote is at 5 seconds left, and your vanish is at 10 seconds until its up

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stuff like that

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MA you can use off cooldown ez

slender peak Jan 30, 2021, 4:22 AM

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meh doesnt really matter for me. I'll likely switch to Sin for m+ but stay sub for raid

sinful sentinel Jan 30, 2021, 4:23 AM

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So, another 5% buff.

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 4:24 AM

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it's the 2nd 🙂

peak jungle Jan 30, 2021, 4:24 AM

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after the 8 percent buff

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so... 18 percent?

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 4:24 AM

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yep

peak jungle Jan 30, 2021, 4:24 AM

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LOL

sinful sentinel Jan 30, 2021, 4:24 AM

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I wonder where this will get us

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 4:24 AM

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is it multiplicative though?

peak jungle Jan 30, 2021, 4:24 AM

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I believe it's 5 percent on the current DPS

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 4:25 AM

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sinful sentinel I wonder where this will get us

so we can play all 3 specs

balmy condor Jan 30, 2021, 4:25 AM

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slender peak why would anyone use MA talent as sin? empowered garrote with subterfuge is so m...

because it's better

sinful sentinel Jan 30, 2021, 4:25 AM

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hollow escarp so we can play all 3 specs

Fingers crossed

peak jungle Jan 30, 2021, 4:25 AM

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looking at the parses, I am not sure 5 percent will make or break assassination, might need one more to be competitive

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 4:26 AM

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I mean

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define competitive

sinful sentinel Jan 30, 2021, 4:26 AM

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I've got leggo and daggers in my bag waiting.

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 4:26 AM

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sin buffed after 223 poxstorm dropped in GV for me PepegaHands

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only have 220/207 daggers now

mortal tartan Jan 30, 2021, 4:27 AM

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pvp daggers?

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 4:27 AM

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you need to pvp for those

mortal tartan Jan 30, 2021, 4:27 AM

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i swear pve is such a waste of time gear wise

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i geared my feral off pvp alone 10x faster than my rogue

sinful sentinel Jan 30, 2021, 4:28 AM

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I was ready to swap and play around with sin but then the GV bestowed upon me a 223 mace from ToP.

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 4:28 AM

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yeah, if I got to 1800 rating, I could upgrade 7 gear pieces

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and actually get good items

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gearing path is certainly weird, after you get some heroic loot, you either pvp or hope for good items in GV

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if you don't mythic raid that is

thin gate Jan 30, 2021, 4:30 AM

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all u do is 3 or 7 mythic bosses a week some m+ keys and try to push ur pvp rating

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welcome to sl

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 4:30 AM

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2/10 M PepegaHands

thin gate Jan 30, 2021, 4:30 AM

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ouch

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well M+ and pvp then

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1/4/10 keys

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and maybe last 2 heroic bosses

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 4:31 AM

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I always got upgrades from M+ row so far

inner granite Jan 30, 2021, 4:31 AM

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Is it possible that sin ever beats outlaw in M+?

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 4:31 AM

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I highly doubt

thin gate Jan 30, 2021, 4:31 AM

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i dont think so

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 4:31 AM

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but I wish

thin gate Jan 30, 2021, 4:31 AM

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there must be some badass T set for assa and maybe legendaries

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to make it possible

balmy condor Jan 30, 2021, 4:32 AM

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inner granite Is it possible that sin ever beats outlaw in M+?

no

rugged zephyr Jan 30, 2021, 4:32 AM

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hello , when will night fae be above kyrian for assa rogue?

thin gate Jan 30, 2021, 4:32 AM

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and even if u want just to cleave as outlaw kekw

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 4:32 AM

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keep in mind that outlaw is target capped to 5 while assa is 8

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and outlaw still does better

balmy condor Jan 30, 2021, 4:32 AM

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rugged zephyr hello , when will night fae be above kyrian for assa rogue?

renown 31

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 4:32 AM

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they even heavily nerfed blade flurry in beta

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isn't it 30 Whispyr?

rugged zephyr Jan 30, 2021, 4:33 AM

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balmy condor renown 31

Okok tyy

inner granite Jan 30, 2021, 4:33 AM

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But sin is very very close to outlaw and sub in ST now right?

thin gate Jan 30, 2021, 4:33 AM

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https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XyHbB46CAfJZzwxm#fight=1&type=damage-done&source=11

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this guy actually has good logs as NF

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 4:34 AM

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most top sin rogues are night fae though

thin gate Jan 30, 2021, 4:34 AM

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but i feel like u try your luck atm

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to get thoe nature damage trinkets from GV

balmy condor Jan 30, 2021, 4:34 AM

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?

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is it a surprise that he's logging on night fae

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 4:35 AM

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why would I need that when Dreadfire Vessel crits for 35k? PEPW

inner granite Jan 30, 2021, 4:36 AM

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it seems to me that outlaw still has such a huge edge over sin despite all the buffs

slender peak Jan 30, 2021, 4:36 AM

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I mean most Sin rogues prolly started as sub and didnt want to swap covenants pepechortle

inner granite Jan 30, 2021, 4:36 AM

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I mean a fight like huntsman is where I would expect Sin to shine

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but outlaw top logs are 1.5k ahead

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 4:37 AM

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I would rather compare the same players parsing on that boss

slender peak Jan 30, 2021, 4:37 AM

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Sin changes still aren't in an likely anyone who is good isnt playing it nore has 235 lego yet

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 4:37 AM

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the amount of sin rogue parses are too small to compare

inner granite Jan 30, 2021, 4:38 AM

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Yeah that's a fair judgement

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 4:38 AM

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that's why I tried to kill most bosses on different specs to compare somehow

inner granite Jan 30, 2021, 4:38 AM

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Do you think Sin will be a close contender?

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Or will outlaw still edge ahead?

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 4:38 AM

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peepoShrug

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I'm gonna play both

thin gate Jan 30, 2021, 4:39 AM

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sin will need another 5%

slender peak Jan 30, 2021, 4:39 AM

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I mean its hard to compete with BF on cleave fights

inner granite Jan 30, 2021, 4:39 AM

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Sin is the cleave spec

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always has been imo

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2-3 targets is where it shines

cursive plaza Jan 30, 2021, 4:39 AM

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what stats and legendary does sin run for celave

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 4:40 AM

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zoldyck all around

slender peak Jan 30, 2021, 4:40 AM

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yea but thats before legos and conduits that make outlaw shine

cursive plaza Jan 30, 2021, 4:40 AM

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and i know stats are super dependent, but do some tend to be better for cleave?

thin gate Jan 30, 2021, 4:40 AM

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mastery crit for cleave i guess

true lark Jan 30, 2021, 4:40 AM

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hey guys, just started up again and am like 48. i prefer the sin to others. quick question is opening with a cheap-Ambush, then garrote the best route? im having the ability to hit all 3 coming out of stealth to open. is there a particular order to use?

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going cheap-ambush-garrotte, then shiv, 5 point rupture, or envenom depending on how much health is left on mob

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 4:41 AM

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are you talking about pvp?

true lark Jan 30, 2021, 4:41 AM

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just in general i havent yet fought anyone in pvp yet since i returned

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 4:42 AM

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you don't wanna start with cheap shot

true lark Jan 30, 2021, 4:42 AM

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can mix the order up seems great to be able to open with 3 stealth abilties in a row!

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 4:42 AM

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garrote all targets if you have subterfurge talent

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other than that, mutilate is your friend happyge

slender peak Jan 30, 2021, 4:43 AM

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i mean if you are just leveling and hitting one mob why not garrott ambush ambush kill it faster

true lark Jan 30, 2021, 4:43 AM

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i assume im not going to mutilate coming out of stealth thou. but yeah can replace garrote with ambush

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er cheapshot with ambushx2

deft vault Jan 30, 2021, 4:44 AM

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in pvp ?

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generally u wanna mfd kidney garrote ambush rupture

balmy condor Jan 30, 2021, 4:45 AM

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true lark i assume im not going to mutilate coming out of stealth thou. but yeah can repla...

in end-game pve we don't ambush from stealth

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but while leveling you can do whatever you want

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cause it's leveling

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and is therefore irrelevant

thin gate Jan 30, 2021, 4:47 AM

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guys 1 question do we even slice n dice in pvp

deft vault Jan 30, 2021, 4:47 AM

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yes

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 4:47 AM

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I don't really know when is the best time to do it

thin gate Jan 30, 2021, 4:47 AM

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but never in burst i guess

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i think just for preassure or?

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 4:48 AM

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snd gives some healing with the right conduit

thin gate Jan 30, 2021, 4:48 AM

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@hollow escarp thats a point.

deft vault Jan 30, 2021, 4:48 AM

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that conduit isnt really insane tbh

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 4:48 AM

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cloaked in shadow is better

deft vault Jan 30, 2021, 4:49 AM

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energy reduc is pretty nice for assas too

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 4:49 AM

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I heard that dots don't take you out of stealth if you have that absorb

hardy rapids Jan 30, 2021, 4:50 AM

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will sin finally be viable with the new 5% buffs?

thin gate Jan 30, 2021, 4:50 AM

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at least it wotn be a troll@hardy rapids i guess med.

deft vault Jan 30, 2021, 4:50 AM

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its already ''viable''

thin gate Jan 30, 2021, 4:50 AM

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wont be a top tier tho

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 4:50 AM

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yeah, it was since last buffs

deft vault Jan 30, 2021, 4:50 AM

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its wont be better than sub

hardy rapids Jan 30, 2021, 4:50 AM

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i mean i dont think i've ever seen a sin in a pug

deft vault Jan 30, 2021, 4:51 AM

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i think sin is already pretty good in heal/sin

mortal tartan Jan 30, 2021, 4:52 AM

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if you play rogue then you probably wont see a lot of rogues in your pugs

hardy rapids Jan 30, 2021, 4:52 AM

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i meant in Heroic nathria pugs

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not dungeons

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 4:52 AM

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yeah, we don't really get invited

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unless good ilvl

mortal tartan Jan 30, 2021, 4:52 AM

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rogues aren't really high prio for raids either

hardy rapids Jan 30, 2021, 4:53 AM

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i only ever see outlaw get invited

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or sub for single target fights

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 4:53 AM

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doubt people check spec

mortal tartan Jan 30, 2021, 4:53 AM

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^ boomkin vs feral

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 4:54 AM

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happened to me

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the feral pumped though

mortal tartan Jan 30, 2021, 4:56 AM

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feral always pump because people who play feral are dedicated

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but nobody takes them 😦

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 4:57 AM

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I feel like that's always the case with niche specs

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you either get a very good player

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or a very bad one

low junco Jan 30, 2021, 5:00 AM

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That feel when assas stat is haste but i have around 5%

balmy condor Jan 30, 2021, 5:00 AM

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that's fine

low junco Jan 30, 2021, 5:00 AM

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Best stat*

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I mean it should be ok

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 5:01 AM

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main stat, best stat

low junco Jan 30, 2021, 5:01 AM

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I am rocking 226 eq so yeah

stark heart Jan 30, 2021, 5:01 AM

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PvP being such a good source of gear doesn't help Assa that craves haste/crit

balmy condor Jan 30, 2021, 5:01 AM

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people tend to really overvalue the value of secondaries this expac

low junco Jan 30, 2021, 5:01 AM

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I mean obv

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I am still in bfa

strange python Jan 30, 2021, 5:03 AM

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Small brain question, but does burrs or sepsis interact with any poison bonuses?

thin gate Jan 30, 2021, 5:04 AM

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no @strange python

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just the Ambush nature damage increase

strange python Jan 30, 2021, 5:05 AM

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I see

balmy condor Jan 30, 2021, 5:05 AM

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the what now

thin gate Jan 30, 2021, 5:05 AM

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as much as i know since its an overall nature damage increase

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or not

strange python Jan 30, 2021, 5:05 AM

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Thats kinda silly

stark heart Jan 30, 2021, 5:05 AM

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What is ambush nature damage increase

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 5:05 AM

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I wanna know as well LULW

thin gate Jan 30, 2021, 5:07 AM

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i mean

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shiv

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pls killme

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playin german client my brain is sometimes stuck in translation

hollow escarp Jan 30, 2021, 5:08 AM

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ahh, a fellow 6 am gamer

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FeelsGoodMan wineStir

thin gate Jan 30, 2021, 5:08 AM

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dude i havnt slept for 3 days kekw

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monkaW

stark heart Jan 30, 2021, 5:11 AM

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thin gate or not

Just as most things shiv has list of abilities it affects

hazy iron Jan 30, 2021, 5:26 AM

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Boys we are BACK

placid dawn Jan 30, 2021, 5:26 AM

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the 5% buff should bring sin to similar levels right?

balmy condor Jan 30, 2021, 5:27 AM

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pins

stable moss Jan 30, 2021, 5:28 AM

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What secondary to put on my zoyd other than haste

hazy iron Jan 30, 2021, 5:29 AM

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Can you really ever go wrong with versatility?

stable moss Jan 30, 2021, 5:29 AM

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Vera is damage overall I guess lol

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Vers

hazy iron Jan 30, 2021, 5:30 AM

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Probably sim it, i have no idea what i'm talking about at the moment lol

balmy condor Jan 30, 2021, 5:30 AM

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vers or crit are fine

honest lake Jan 30, 2021, 5:35 AM

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Zoldyck gonna be the go to legendary?

drifting cloud Jan 30, 2021, 5:35 AM

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@balmy condor do you know how much dmg assa gains overall if boss hp were to start at 70% eg sire p2

balmy condor Jan 30, 2021, 5:36 AM

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compared to what

drifting cloud Jan 30, 2021, 5:36 AM

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to a normal 5min patchwerk

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I guess sire p2 and p3 on mythic are basically a fixed 7min duration anyways

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shouldnt change much just another set of cds

balmy condor Jan 30, 2021, 5:39 AM

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yeh idk

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I don't see the point of that

drifting cloud Jan 30, 2021, 5:40 AM

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the point is sire p1 is irrelevant for overall killing the boss and if the boss hp were to start at 70% I was just wondering how much better the lego gets

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are we talking 30 dps or 100 for example

balmy condor Jan 30, 2021, 5:42 AM

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I mean there's adds

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so its definitely >100

drifting cloud Jan 30, 2021, 5:48 AM

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yeah just thought you already had a similiar sim stashed somewhere because I thought I remembered you refrencing it

balmy condor Jan 30, 2021, 5:48 AM

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I have a p3 sim sitting around

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not a p2

drifting cloud Jan 30, 2021, 5:48 AM

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wasnt even that interested about the add dmg thats just a bonus

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problem is sire p2 hp is important current state

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since you phase on a timer not pushing him to 40% on prog

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I guess its not a huge difference eitherway

placid dawn Jan 30, 2021, 5:51 AM

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is it a good idea to stay inside the hungering while he is casting consume?

balmy condor Jan 30, 2021, 5:51 AM

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you can cloak it

placid dawn Jan 30, 2021, 5:52 AM

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yea, thats what i meant

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thanks

fiery wedge Jan 30, 2021, 5:53 AM

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vigor or DS for talent?

fervent beacon Jan 30, 2021, 5:55 AM

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vigor

urban thistle Jan 30, 2021, 5:59 AM

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Whispie can you link me the default sin APL

balmy condor Jan 30, 2021, 5:59 AM

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change your spec to sin

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and sim

urban thistle Jan 30, 2021, 6:00 AM

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Yikes

balmy condor Jan 30, 2021, 6:00 AM

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peeposhrug

urban thistle Jan 30, 2021, 6:00 AM

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I'm doing it I'm doing it

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wait where do I grab the full APL from a quick sim?

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ah profile

balmy condor Jan 30, 2021, 6:02 AM

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yes

sour oasis Jan 30, 2021, 6:15 AM

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I realy think assa is becoming the first rogue spec in raid

balmy condor Jan 30, 2021, 6:15 AM

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it's not

sour oasis Jan 30, 2021, 6:16 AM

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On a fight like sludgefist for example

balmy condor Jan 30, 2021, 6:16 AM

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definitely not

fleet whale Jan 30, 2021, 6:17 AM

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maybe in 9.1 we'll see

balmy condor Jan 30, 2021, 6:17 AM

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sludge is a sub fight

fleet whale Jan 30, 2021, 6:18 AM

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but you probably could go sin if you really wanted to an like it

candid token Jan 30, 2021, 6:18 AM

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You could also go Moonkin form when in Feral spec

fleet whale Jan 30, 2021, 6:18 AM

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i mean don't ferals actually do that now

candid token Jan 30, 2021, 6:18 AM

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Shhh

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Welp I guess I’ll craft Zoldyk with my mountains of Soul Cocaine I have left over and play around with sin for fun

fleet whale Jan 30, 2021, 6:21 AM

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wow looking the forums and mmo champion, some of these people are dumb

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they see a spec being 30% behind on a boss in logs

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and think that spec needs a 30% buff

candid token Jan 30, 2021, 6:21 AM

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It’s free real estate

summer cedar Jan 30, 2021, 6:22 AM

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Is it worth it to swap to Night fae for Burrs?

candid token Jan 30, 2021, 6:22 AM

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I think so, burrs Sims best when I last simmed it

fleet whale Jan 30, 2021, 6:22 AM

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while it does sim highest

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it's not like you would lose out that much

candid token Jan 30, 2021, 6:23 AM

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True, but Night Fae plays nice imo so it’s nice

fleet whale Jan 30, 2021, 6:23 AM

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soulshape is amazing though

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and sepsis is easy

candid token Jan 30, 2021, 6:23 AM

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It simmed 46dps higher than Pepegos for me atleast

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But don’t take my word for it

urban thistle Jan 30, 2021, 6:30 AM

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what's the APL trigger to check for cooldown left?

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if=cooldown.X.remaining=?

balmy condor Jan 30, 2021, 6:31 AM

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yes

urban thistle Jan 30, 2021, 6:32 AM

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ty ty

safe nacelle Jan 30, 2021, 6:34 AM

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Just got 3.6k average DPS on 8 Mist. Damage is getting there finally

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Well for me anyway lol

drifting cloud Jan 30, 2021, 6:35 AM

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inflated by 1st boss :p

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but more than enough for an 8 anyways

safe nacelle Jan 30, 2021, 6:36 AM

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How dare you...

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Ryler crusher of dreams. 😦

ebon tapir Jan 30, 2021, 7:10 AM

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MORE BUFFS BABY LETS GO

uneven summit Jan 30, 2021, 7:14 AM

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So how much have assa gotten: 5%, 8% and 5%, and its still gonna be bottom tier, gj blizz

balmy condor Jan 30, 2021, 7:15 AM

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it's not tho

uneven summit Jan 30, 2021, 7:15 AM

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Bottom tier?

ornate raptor Jan 30, 2021, 7:16 AM

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In logic assa might be bottom. But in real assa ain’t bottom 😂

proven ferry Jan 30, 2021, 7:17 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/doge-muscle-buffed-doge-gif-17861444

Tenor

balmy condor Jan 30, 2021, 7:18 AM

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uneven summit Bottom tier?

it's an average spec now

proven ferry Jan 30, 2021, 7:18 AM

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9.1 sin will be better than sub

balmy condor Jan 30, 2021, 7:19 AM

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based on what logic

proven ferry Jan 30, 2021, 7:19 AM

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It happened before it will happen again

pliant sorrel Jan 30, 2021, 7:19 AM

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his dad is ion musk

shadow helm Jan 30, 2021, 7:19 AM

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still having second thoughts on going nf from necro

proven ferry Jan 30, 2021, 7:19 AM

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I am the oracle

balmy condor Jan 30, 2021, 7:20 AM

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when did it happen before

proven ferry Jan 30, 2021, 7:20 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/joke-gif-5319542

Tenor

jk

▶ Play video

balmy condor Jan 30, 2021, 7:20 AM

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it's perfectly okay to just not say anything if you're going to just post shitty memes and bait

deft vault Jan 30, 2021, 7:21 AM

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do it @shadow helm necro is garbage

shadow helm Jan 30, 2021, 7:21 AM

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muh mission table

drifting cloud Jan 30, 2021, 7:21 AM

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no covenant is garbage for rogue

shadow helm Jan 30, 2021, 7:21 AM

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had 2soul ash missions this week

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im switching after this augment rune mission

errant delta Jan 30, 2021, 7:35 AM

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What ryler is saying is all covenants are garbage for rogue

lyric badger Jan 30, 2021, 7:36 AM

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do i want zoldyck insignia for leggo for assassin?

balmy condor Jan 30, 2021, 7:36 AM

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yes

lyric badger Jan 30, 2021, 7:36 AM

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sweet, thanks

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just got it

radiant pollen Jan 30, 2021, 7:37 AM

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new buff gonna make assass not ass?

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what do we reckon lads

lyric badger Jan 30, 2021, 7:38 AM

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that would be nice

radiant pollen Jan 30, 2021, 7:38 AM

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I honestly wanna try out venth with assass and do the bleed build

lyric badger Jan 30, 2021, 7:38 AM

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thats what i am

radiant pollen Jan 30, 2021, 7:38 AM

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venth haste + bleed build could be good

balmy condor Jan 30, 2021, 7:38 AM

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radiant pollen what do we reckon lads

check the pins

fading wigeon Jan 30, 2021, 7:38 AM

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No it's not

balmy condor Jan 30, 2021, 7:38 AM

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bleed build is dead though

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like utterly dead

lyric badger Jan 30, 2021, 7:39 AM

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flagelation or w/e

fading wigeon Jan 30, 2021, 7:39 AM

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Exang baddddd

radiant pollen Jan 30, 2021, 7:40 AM

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uhh still not top with the extra 5

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unlucky

drifting cloud Jan 30, 2021, 7:40 AM

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if youre feelycrafting venthyr and bleed builds youre not hitting top5 with another 10% dw

radiant pollen Jan 30, 2021, 7:40 AM

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unfort, bleed build in bfa was very fun

drifting cloud Jan 30, 2021, 7:41 AM

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it was but then alacrity happened

radiant pollen Jan 30, 2021, 7:41 AM

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tru

lyric badger Jan 30, 2021, 7:41 AM

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where does everyone go now?

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covenant wise

radiant pollen Jan 30, 2021, 7:41 AM

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night fae pretty sure, next week nf are gonna be nuts

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we get burrs

lyric badger Jan 30, 2021, 7:42 AM

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burrs?

fleet whale Jan 30, 2021, 7:42 AM

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"nuts"

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it will be dps increase for sure

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but it won't be "nuts"

radiant pollen Jan 30, 2021, 7:42 AM

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Niya's Tools: Burrs Icon Niya's Tools: Burrs — Your damaging attacks and spells have a chance to toss Niya's Spiked Burrs under your target. The burrs latch onto the first enemy to cross them, reducing movement speed by 20% and inflicting Nature damage over 6 seconds.

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@fleet whale relax stop being triggered

balmy condor Jan 30, 2021, 7:42 AM

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he's not triggered

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he's spitting facts

radiant pollen Jan 30, 2021, 7:43 AM

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lol cry more

balmy condor Jan 30, 2021, 7:43 AM

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we're sin rogues

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we cry enough

lyric badger Jan 30, 2021, 7:43 AM

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i might be one of the few people who picked covenant not only based on spells but what the armor, mount and theme was lol

gray fjord Jan 30, 2021, 7:43 AM

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💔

radiant pollen Jan 30, 2021, 7:43 AM

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be happy its a dps increase

balmy condor Jan 30, 2021, 7:43 AM

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we are

fleet whale Jan 30, 2021, 7:43 AM

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we are

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but people are hyping it way too much

balmy condor Jan 30, 2021, 7:43 AM

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it's just not insane omega deeps

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it's like

radiant pollen Jan 30, 2021, 7:43 AM

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its good cunt

balmy condor Jan 30, 2021, 7:43 AM

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40 dps

gray fjord Jan 30, 2021, 7:44 AM

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Pretty sure Burrs is about a 4% DPS gain on average, whereas most conduits are like 1.5-2%. Unless things have changed since we were simming it in beta.

balmy condor Jan 30, 2021, 7:44 AM

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I suggest slowing your roll with the insults

gray fjord Jan 30, 2021, 7:44 AM

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^

radiant pollen Jan 30, 2021, 7:44 AM

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man not allowed to say cunt as an aussie

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lmao

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imagine

balmy condor Jan 30, 2021, 7:44 AM

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outside of australia, that word holds meaning

gray fjord Jan 30, 2021, 7:44 AM

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An aussie on the internet of the whole world.

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^

balmy condor Jan 30, 2021, 7:45 AM

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and you're pretty hostile already

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so I'm asking you politely

fleet whale Jan 30, 2021, 7:45 AM

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not everyone is from Australia and the UK

radiant pollen Jan 30, 2021, 7:45 AM

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shh

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didnt ask

balmy condor Jan 30, 2021, 7:45 AM

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gray fjord Pretty sure Burrs is about a 4% DPS gain on average, whereas most conduits are l...

sounds about right

gray fjord Jan 30, 2021, 7:46 AM

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balmy condor sounds about right

I remember me and Mystler talking about it when they removed the 'boss' requirement from it

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Because on beta for a while it didn't work on boss enemies, so once they reverted that (if it stayed that way) it became a pretty decent increase.

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Herodamage shows it being like 100 ish DPS I think, but it means losing a potency

balmy condor Jan 30, 2021, 7:47 AM

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yeah

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it's pretty minimal

gray fjord Jan 30, 2021, 7:47 AM

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Maybe more, but then potency is the offset

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^

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Right.

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I actually like the sound of the interrupt poison as a free DPS gain for dungeons and you still gain the potency, but for raiding burrs is most likely go-to.

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Like wearing a leviathan agi gem

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kekw

balmy condor Jan 30, 2021, 7:48 AM

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any draenor gems in the chat?

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kekw

gray fjord Jan 30, 2021, 7:49 AM

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tbf I was still using diver's folly and force mult until nerf

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jebaited

balmy condor Jan 30, 2021, 7:49 AM

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smh

gray fjord Jan 30, 2021, 7:50 AM

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kekw

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It worked pretty well for a while, road that out while I could. Rip.

balmy condor Jan 30, 2021, 7:51 AM

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yeh, equip effect weapons have always been a little problematic

wise creek Jan 30, 2021, 7:51 AM

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So, what do u think. Will assa be playable in raids after next buff? :/

balmy condor Jan 30, 2021, 7:51 AM

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yes

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it already is

pine grove Jan 30, 2021, 7:52 AM

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Woo! Another sin buff.

wise creek Jan 30, 2021, 7:53 AM

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balmy condor it already is

I dont see any assa rogues in raids right now 🤷‍♂️

gray fjord Jan 30, 2021, 7:53 AM

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It's all perception/sheep mentality at this point.

pine grove Jan 30, 2021, 7:53 AM

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I'm raiding as assassination.

balmy condor Jan 30, 2021, 7:53 AM

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well that's cause no one can be bothered rerolling

gray fjord Jan 30, 2021, 7:53 AM

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^

main forge Jan 30, 2021, 7:54 AM

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They will be next week.

balmy condor Jan 30, 2021, 7:54 AM

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but it's definitely fine

grizzled jay Jan 30, 2021, 7:54 AM

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I'd play Sin if I had a weapon.

pine grove Jan 30, 2021, 7:54 AM

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I started after the 8%. My sim was within about 50 DPS of my sub sim, so I made the move.

balmy condor Jan 30, 2021, 7:54 AM

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yep, same here

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except it was 350 dps

main forge Jan 30, 2021, 7:54 AM

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I haven't touched sin since week 2

grizzled bough Jan 30, 2021, 7:55 AM

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assa is fine, melee in general is not really sought after in raids currently (and sadly)

main forge Jan 30, 2021, 7:55 AM

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I am enjoying sub but I love sib

gray fjord Jan 30, 2021, 7:55 AM

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You'll see more people try it with this next tuning pass. I think on fights with important execute damage (Sludgefist/Stone Legion due to 2 targets at end/Denathrius) you'll see a bit more of the Zoldyck coming though. Denathrius is a tricky one because of the super heavy AoE in P1.

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And yeah, Imakandi is kinda right. Melee is not exactly the golden child in raiding right now (or since like WoD prolly lol)

celest ruin Jan 30, 2021, 7:56 AM

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how are people having close sims with sub and assa ST? mine is like 350 dps diff with every gear having haste

balmy condor Jan 30, 2021, 7:57 AM

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do you have an off piece for your legendary

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that's respectable

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are you comparing equal ilvl legendaries

pine grove Jan 30, 2021, 7:58 AM

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My gear had a lot of haste (and mastery, but that's junk for both) and not so much crit/vers, so it wasn't as good for sub as it was for sin. My sub legendary also had a much better replacement than my sin legendary.

celest ruin Jan 30, 2021, 7:58 AM

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for some reason my sim wants me to keep using my 225 MA ring

gray fjord Jan 30, 2021, 7:58 AM

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Master Assassin is definitely not bad for assassination by any means, especially since it lines up with vendetta easily.

celest ruin Jan 30, 2021, 7:59 AM

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ah that makes sense

gray fjord Jan 30, 2021, 8:00 AM

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It's not the best option, but it's still not terrible. Most rogue leggos aren't more than 2 ish% difference unless it's like really bad from what I remember.

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Of course depending on fight type, patchwerk/addcleave/etc

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Unless you're outlaw.

urban thistle Jan 30, 2021, 8:01 AM

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breadblade

gray fjord Jan 30, 2021, 8:01 AM

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And then you run celerity forever because blizzard made Guile Charm shit and I hate them forever. >_>

balmy condor Jan 30, 2021, 8:01 AM

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a lie has not been said :P

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MA isn't that bad

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depending on your stats and stuff

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it's quite good

gray fjord Jan 30, 2021, 8:02 AM

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The less crit you have, the less stats you waste running MA technically xD

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But it's like 4 seconds every 2 minutes

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Sooo

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🤷 (assuming raiding and not M+ of course, but even then crit doesn't drop that hard due to MA)

grizzled bough Jan 30, 2021, 8:04 AM

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sespis should procc MA ionWOAH

gray fjord Jan 30, 2021, 8:04 AM

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kekw monkascheme

urban thistle Jan 30, 2021, 8:04 AM

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Once upon a time

grizzled bough Jan 30, 2021, 8:06 AM

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it procs vanish related anima powers in torghast... so it’d be logical... lul

urban thistle Jan 30, 2021, 8:06 AM

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on beta it did

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it true vanished you

gray fjord Jan 30, 2021, 8:07 AM

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^ Yep, then they couldn't figure out how to balance stealth-based talents/legendaries/people felt forced to use it (and it kinda sucked to use in solo PvE content due to that) so it went away.

drifting cloud Jan 30, 2021, 8:07 AM

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zeph in assa channel monkaW

pine grove Jan 30, 2021, 8:07 AM

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Wait, does Sepsis use Vein Rippers in Torg?

balmy condor Jan 30, 2021, 8:07 AM

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no

pine grove Jan 30, 2021, 8:08 AM

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Oh. Good. I've always been skipping that annoying anima power.

grizzled bough Jan 30, 2021, 8:08 AM

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it procs the vanish CDR anima

pine grove Jan 30, 2021, 8:08 AM

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Ah.

balmy condor Jan 30, 2021, 8:08 AM

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the what

gray fjord Jan 30, 2021, 8:08 AM

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grizzled bough it procs the vanish CDR anima

Wait it procs shadowdust?