assassination

[solar hare]

[spice spire]

Did someone say the number 34???

[versed mica]

wheres my hit rating cap tho

[strange python]

why do u not need haste

!stats

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[balmy condor]

@ all the regulars, I get it's meme and haha funnies, but we actually have people who haven't opened this channel in like 7 months coming in, so lets keep the memes saved for later, and right now just give good, solid information. Comfy sin chat is all our responsibilities yeh? :)

[balmy condor]

other secondary stats are still very good

[stoic needle]

I did 1 week of raid as sub, 2weeks of raid as OL and said "GIVE ME SIN OR GIVE ME DEATH!"

[solar hare]

[balmy condor]

haste is the best stat usually, yes

[solar hare]

Im cozy

[spice spire]

Stats are fairly close, haste isn’t the end all be all. It does make the spec go more smoothly. But it’s not necessary to be playable

[frail fossil]

chad

[balmy condor]

but that doesn't mean that no haste means unplayable

[frail fossil]

too bad i enjoy pirating

[stoic needle]

U will join us one day

[spice spire]

Holy fuck I couldn’t word

[tidal gorge]

The reason the swap wasn't viable for me is because my gear is currently giga optimized for sub, so being slightly less optimal for sin meant the gap was pretty big compared to what it would be if my stats were more balanced

[tired falcon]

Why is mastery bad?

Doesn’t it increase dot dmg?

[balmy condor]

dot damage isn't very high

[stoic needle]

It's not, vers is just better

[signal gulch]

% increase of bad is still bad

[versed mica]

Legit question- seeing how talent swap books are mega expensive, is it really worth it to swap talents based on the fight?

[strange python]

I think my 17 haste and 24 verse will work fine for sin

[balmy condor]

I think you'd be surprised

[tired falcon]

Ic

[balmy condor]

depends on your definition of worth

[balmy condor]

all stats will work fine, item level is the big decider atm

[stoic needle]

How expensive are they on your server? They're around 700g here

[ionic magnet]

!pins

[versed mica]

about the same

[stoic needle]

That's not that bad

[strange python]

221 atm

[balmy condor]

yeah

so you're fine

[spice spire]

700g gets expensive if you’re doing MA for shriekwing, Subterfuge for Huntmaster, back to MA, swapping later. Using 5 a night gets expensive. I’d swap for like Sun King. Rest is whatever

That’s personal worth tho

[stoic needle]

Maybe my mind is warped from playing classic but like

No retail consumables are expensive

Y'all know nothing of the struggle

I would spend roughly the equivalent of 200-300k retail gold per raid

For all of my warrior's consumables

[native turtle]

I don't think people are cool with spending 30 dollars a raid

[spice spire]

There’s a reason I don’t go back to classic. I fucking hated the prep time for it. It was fun for the day, but I’ll leave it as a fond memory, not a painful one 😉

[balmy condor]

keep it on topic

[stoic needle]

There are no tokens in classic, I'm just comparing the time it takes to farm 200g in classic to 200k in retail

[chilly marsh]

5% buff?

[tired falcon]

or if u have a lock

[balmy condor]

pins

[tired falcon]

just hearth after every boss xD

[tidal gorge]

Anyway, looking forward to simming again when this change goes in. Gap was previously 500 dps difference on my own sim. If it's now only 300, might be enough for me

[strange python]

Anyone have a macro for mutilate and ambush?

[prisma monolith]

Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message

[balmy condor]

!bs

[chilly marsh]

next 5% buff we will be meta kek

[stoic needle]

You can also use a modifier macro

/cast [mod:shift] ambush; mutilate

[balmy condor]

always weird to me that people call those macros

[brittle pawn]

i dont understand the point of modifier macros

[balmy condor]

when they're literally just a new keybind

[regal cape]

Can't wait to use my 30%raw crit in sub set with master assin talent, and not crit my muts in opener with 80% crit

[balmy condor]

like

just bind a new key?

are you out of action bars?

[brittle pawn]

yea

less confusing

[stoic needle]

It's far superior from a muscle memory standpoint imo

[balmy condor]

what

[brittle pawn]

what

[balmy condor]

it's literally identical

[brittle pawn]

same keypress

[regal cape]

Wait but the play as sub is to use separate binds for ss and bs. Why would it be diff for sin or more confusing

[brittle pawn]

same result

[balmy condor]

its similar

[versed mica]

shiv nature dmg buff increase sepsis damage?

[balmy condor]

yes

[stoic needle]

It's not the same key press. You'd have to pick a different key that isn't in the same spot as your mutilate key

[balmy condor]

what are you on about dude

[stoic needle]

Which is different for muscle memory

???

[balmy condor]

if I have mut on 2, and ambush on shift 2

[stoic needle]

You're still pressing 2

[balmy condor]

thats the same as having a macro on 2 with a shift mod

[stoic needle]

That's different from having ambush in 5

[regal cape]

Yee I know. I'm asking the two advocating for combing them into one keybind

[balmy condor]

well yes

your macro

says /cast [mod:shift] ambush; mutilate

so that means ambush and mut are both on 2

ambush is shift 2

[placid cobalt]

is sin viable now bois?

[balmy condor]

how is that different from just putting it on shift 2

[cosmic prism]

put them on the same bind but on an action bar that changes on stealth use

[balmy condor]

pins

[stoic needle]

well when you say 'make a new keybind' I interpreted that as 'bind it to a different key other than 2'

Miscommunication

[balmy condor]

shift 2 is a new keybind

compared to 2

[sick smelt]

we ready to strut that ass boys?!

[stoic needle]

Whether it's a macro or just binding shift+2 it doesn't matter, I prefer the macros because it does save bar space

[balmy condor]

don't use ambush from stealth

[balmy condor]

I guess

I don't show my bars anyway

so fuck if I care tbh

[cosmic prism]

was talking about outlaw tbh, why wouldnt u do it for sin?

[balmy condor]

because ambushing from stealth is a dps loss

[brittle pawn]

garrote

[cosmic prism]

oh true

[stoic needle]

Why did they give us a 5% buff but not fix ambushing from stealth being a dps loss

[lament aurora]

[balmy condor]

even with MA it's a loss

[fleet whale]

I wonder if Infexious is gonna make a vid after this sin buff

[brittle pawn]

?

over what

[balmy condor]

over mutilating

[brittle pawn]

hm

[median igloo]

Oof

[stoic needle]

They could literally just say 'ambush from stealth does 15% extra damage'

Boom ambush good

[balmy condor]

the talent choice doesn't matter here

[brittle pawn]

haven't touched sin since azerite

[balmy condor]

you don't ambush from stealth

[brittle pawn]

forgot that's why garrote was op

[rigid wyvern]

alright boys whos ready to ask about 5% aura buffs for a week

[topaz axle]

I feel like it's been a dps loss from stealth for as long as the spec has had ambush.

[rigid wyvern]

"is sin viable now?"

[shy heron]

I talked to my priest and he said sin was never viable

[balmy condor]

kek

[snow arch]

Just remove ambush and add a modifier for mut from stealth. Seems clunky.

[fleet whale]

i just have ambush and mut on different keys

mutilate is 3 and ambush is c

[raven egret]

he menat

meant

remove ambush

from assa

[balmy condor]

blindside though

is good

[raven egret]

yea its alright

but just cause its free

[topaz axle]

Inb4 ambush rank 2

[mortal scaffold]

MORE BUFFS 😍

[balmy condor]

yeah but it's fun

[fleet whale]

i like blindside an ambush

[balmy condor]

ambush just needs a buff

[shy heron]

I like blindside, it was a welcome addition to see it return to usefulness

[balmy condor]

that's all

[fleet whale]

easy way to make ambush usable in opener

[versed mica]

more like ready for all the people who asks everyone who is ready

[fleet whale]

have it apply rupture

[hollow escarp]

[mortal scaffold]

next patch notes: assassination damage increased 🚀 TO THE MOON🚀

[shy heron]

it's been, what, HFC since we last used it?

[fleet whale]

we didnt' use ambush in HFC

we had the ability but we never used it at all

we did have an execute called dispatch

[shy heron]

oh, that's what I was thinking of

[fleet whale]

it was removed in legion though because of "warrior execute class fantasy"

[mighty owl]

playing sin in hfc

[fleet whale]

hey i played sin in HFC

it was really fun

[mighty owl]

it was cool until you got the tier set and soul cap

[fleet whale]

it's tier set was really fun too

3 cps from dispatch with nature damage

[shy heron]

class trinket was super neat too

increased crit for mutilate

[half fable]

WOO! now all assassin needs is 1 more %5 buff after this

then they good.

[balmy condor]

no it doesn't

[raven egret]

we good now

[fleet whale]

yeah it really doesn't and it's getting ridiculous that people keep saying things like that

[half fable]

It -at best- competes in pure st.

and cant compete in aoe.

[fleet whale]

yeah, and it also has an execute

[raven egret]

better in execute

[half fable]

change my mind.

[topaz axle]

Which is the niche

[fleet whale]

and way better cleave than sub

[balmy condor]

???????????????????????????????????????

it's 2% behind sub in single target

which is healthy

and it wins in cleave/aoe even BEFORE this buff

[fleet whale]

yeah black powder is booty for aoe

[mighty owl]

better execute too which is non trivial for denathrius

[real solar]

is the buff in the nightly sim atm?

[fleet whale]

probably not yet

[balmy condor]

won't be

I assume it'll go live over the weekend if koji asks for a rebuild, or tuesday when the buff actually goes live

[real solar]

hmm wonder if I can get my sin sim close to my 6550 sub sim

[balmy condor]

sim assassination, and add like 200ish

[fleet whale]

depends on gear too

the more gear you have, the higher the increase will be

[balmy condor]

well

[real solar]

I’m 227.44

lol

[balmy condor]

the high end is 200ish

so no

[stoic needle]

Wasn't sin better than sub in cleave and aoe before the first 5%

[balmy condor]

it won't be higher

[balmy condor]

yes

[stoic needle]

That's what I thought

[half fable]

I mean, Sin just has to beat out Outlaw

then its golden for Pve.

[raven egret]

it doesn't

why would it need to

[balmy condor]

that's just not how it works man

[half fable]

why take a spec that does lower damage?

[rigid wyvern]

The objective is not

be the best spec

[raven egret]

zzz

[balmy condor]

then get out of the rogue discord

[raven egret]

patch note brain gymnastics man

[mortal scaffold]

i won't rest until assassination beats outlaw

[hollow escarp]

had so much fun clearing HC with assa 2 weeks ago, can't wait for next week

with rank 4 lego

[rigid wyvern]

its to be not the worst spec by a huge margin

[half fable]

@balmy condor I said spec, not class, slow your roll.

[rigid wyvern]

We take a spec that does lower damage because we enjoy playing that spec

[stoic needle]

Wait until I hit 1600 and hit CN with full 213 honor gear

[raven egret]

also theres a reason to play assa now

[balmy condor]

the same reason you would play rogue atm

is the same reason you would play sin

[hollow escarp]

90% efficiency on a main spec > 60% efficiency on a reroll FOTM BIS melee spec

[half fable]

w/e

[balmy condor]

I don't understand why people just decide to gargle meta balls for fun

like

bruh

[young pebble]

However, gonna take a while to regain the soul ash I dumped into non-Sin leggos, RIP

[hollow escarp]

[rigid wyvern]

i mean a 225 is like what 2 weeks?

[hollow escarp]

I wanted to craft the master assassin legendary but now I will go for rank 4 zoldyck

[rigid wyvern]

I feel like 235 is mostly a meme

[young pebble]

I want the 235, balls to the walls

[rigid wyvern]

I mean I have one but its not the end of the world

[half fable]

Because i like playing all 3 specs? and i want to play the best spec at the moment, so i dont have to choose. So, therefore, i wont play a spec if its the lowest of 3 in a class... that was my point, lol.

Personal Opinions.

[rigid wyvern]

Thats fine

[hollow escarp]

I like all 3 specs but sin is my favorite child

[balmy condor]

well then I guess have fun building zoldyck for sire progression

if you want to be the best

[rigid wyvern]

but it doesnt have to beat outlaw

[raven egret]

yeah

[rigid wyvern]

to be a reasonable spec

[tawdry pawn]

I mean assa kinda need to beat outlaw in DMG cuz we dont have gouge...

[raven egret]

assa is best for sire

execute

for sure

[hollow escarp]

that will be so annoying for 1st phase prog

[half fable]

Outlaw is currently top. So my statement for me to play sin, was that it has to beat outlaw.

[hollow escarp]

it was for me on HC at least

[balmy condor]

oh no, it'll be annoying for an hour and a half

[half fable]

My statement was that of an opinion, therefore, it stands.

[balmy condor]

it does beat outlaw

[hollow escarp]

I was 13th dps in first phase and then 4th place on sire kill

[balmy condor]

on execute

like sire

where it matters

[tawdry pawn]

Btw I have celerity rank 2 and ma rank 1 for pvp

[hollow escarp]

not sure if you guys talk about mythic or hc now

[tawdry pawn]

After I finish celerity which leggos do I need for assa

[half fable]

.... im sorry, where is the Sin rouges in outlaw?

[tawdry pawn]

I know zoldyack

[hollow escarp]

but for hc, 2nd and 3rd vendeta come in weird timings when you gotta kill ads

[stoic needle]

Zoldyck

[half fable]

cuz its non existant.

[raven egret]

what

[tawdry pawn]

But sth rose Apart that?

[balmy condor]

what does that even mean

[tawdry pawn]

Else*

[stoic needle]

Zoldyck is the only one really

[half fable]

errr

sire.

[raven egret]

brain gymnastics

[half fable]

There are like, 0 sin rogues on sire mythic.

[tawdry pawn]

Ok ok

[hollow escarp]

no shit

[tawdry pawn]

There is not many rogues at all...

XD

[half fable]

Then why is a community figure claiming that Sin>Sub>Outlaw for Mythic Sire

[tawdry pawn]

I'm impressed how there is no Nerfs to bala affli and ww

[stable moss]

So what stats and piece is zoyd on ehh

[balmy condor]

because it is

[raven egret]

because thats how it is

lol

[native turtle]

Read the pinned message and it will all make sense

[young pebble]

legs and feet

[half fable]

then why are there 0 Sin rogues killing M Sire?

[fleet whale]

lol are you trolling

[balmy condor]

because no one is rerolling to a spec for 1 boss

they don't have the gear or ash for that

[fleet whale]

not many people have made sin leggos

it takes time to get ash

[balmy condor]

please think before typing

[hollow escarp]

because the spec was underperformign the entire expansion?>

it had 3 buffs

so far

lmao

[rigid wyvern]

how many people are even killing M sire?

[fleet whale]

if everyone was able to make a 235 zoldyck at this moment

they would for sire

but many can't

[stoic needle]

maybe now I can apply to a guild as sin without getting laughed at

[hollow escarp]

I would rather look at HC sire though, much more data to take conclusions like this

[stoic needle]

i've found that you can dot the adds and tunnel sire and it's not too bad

[half fable]

Where's the 1st sin rogue at on Heroic sire?

[hollow escarp]

I had big uptime with Rupture on Remornia

[raven egret]

this guy

holy shit

[tawny vigil]

Obviously top guilds in the world min max. For regular mythic progs whats it matter because a great sin player will still dumpter people like ashix on any spec.

[stoic needle]

multidotting remornia and sire is actually sick because of the HP share

[balmy condor]

your question has been answered, please do not troll the channel, thank you

[hollow escarp]

yeah

I'm 188th sin rogue on HC sire

[reef axle]

!bis

[prisma monolith]

Whispyrs Bis list: http://tiny.cc/76r5tz

[rigid wyvern]

I was about to be like damn get some gear

[half fable]

@balmy condor My question of where the top sin rogue on heroic sire has not been answered.

[sand dirge]

i got 553 haste with my sub gear. i guess i am prepared...

[pure slate]

What does that even mean

[raven egret]

man these patch notes bring out the best in people

for real

[half fable]

Its literally a question.

I fail to understand how this is such an issue.

[hollow escarp]

a bad one

[young pebble]

We're discussing sin buffs that haven't even occurred yet and this guy is saying where are the sin rogues?

[hollow escarp]

the buff is not live yet

[young pebble]

Like what

[stoic needle]

answer it yourself dude this isn't google

[half fable]

Right, so how are individuals claiming that sin beats sub and outlaw currently, when literally the data shows the opposite?

[hollow escarp]

100% bait

[stoic needle]

logs are not data

[hollow escarp]

I won't take it

[stoic needle]

sims are data

[hollow jungle]

Sin is like 1500 behind outlaw currently on heroic sire for top parses

[native turtle]

Why are people so difficult

[hollow escarp]

[hollow jungle]

Not really the point

[half fable]

1500 is alot, is it not?

[stoic needle]

we get 5% buff and burrs in the same week

[balmy condor]

no one is spending ash on rerolling to assassination when sub/outlaw is preferred for most other fights

1500 is literally the whole fight

[stoic needle]

that's what i would call a poggers

[balmy condor]

it beats them on execute

[half fable]

so 5% wont be enough for sin to take the throne currently?

[balmy condor]

which is phase 3

[raven egret]

notice how we meant its better for progression, assa does more damage in the part where it matters

[balmy condor]

do you guys not understand what logs are

[shy heron]

DESTROYED with FACTS and LOGIC

[stoic needle]

no, they do not

[raven egret]

who gives a shit if outlaw does 1.2k more dps because they can flurry p1 p2

[hollow escarp]

no, I blade rush ads in phase 1

[raven egret]

they do less damage on the last 30% which was the point

[rigid wyvern]

See the issue is people dont recognize that damage is more important at different times for progress

and top logs are not people doing progress lol

[raven egret]

DPS I BIG ON METER¤ ½!!!½!

I GOOD

[balmy condor]

yeppppppppp

[stoic needle]

BUT OOGA BOOGA TOP DPS

[hollow jungle]

Well their heroic logs so no shit

[stoic needle]

ME NEED TO BE #1

[half fable]

thats not what im saying.

[urban thistle]

I mean...

[hollow escarp]

that's why sin's niche before this buff was pure execute

[half fable]

A guild will not currently invite a sin rogue to progress

regardless of where the sin's damage is better at, because, they are sin.

[fleet whale]

are you just in this channel

[raven egret]

ok

[fleet whale]

to shit on people playing sin?

[rigid wyvern]

Shockingly different guilds have differnt prioritys

[balmy condor]

funny that the argument is literally the exact opposite when sin is slightly higher than sub

[stoic needle]

sub rogue players in absolute shambles

[rigid wyvern]

and like 1% of the playerbase participates in mythic raiding

[half fable]

No, its a discussion channel, so im having a discussion about a earlier topic i brought up of why i wasnt gonna play sin if it didnt beat outlaw.

[raven egret]

sub beta fotmer malding

[strange python]

https://tenor.com/view/patrickpain-patricksomuchpain-patrickfleas-spongebobpain-spongebobsomuchpain-gif-18151897

[fleet whale]

then don't play sin lol

[hollow escarp]

but it does in phase 3 on Denathrius

or it will rather

[young pebble]

I play Sub but I don't like feeling like a weakling outside of dance and especially on cleave/aoe so I'm excited for any sin buffs

[kind matrix]

Just buy assassination stock to drive up our dps

[hollow jungle]

Currently comparing heroic sire logs, sin did 5300 ish in p3 to outlaw 5600 ish

[raven egret]

buy assa

sell sub

crashing

[young pebble]

ashix arguing because he shorted Sin stocks

[pliant apex]

is there an issue with wowanalyzer for sin? it says i didnt use MA buff at all

[rotund oak]

its assassinations time to shine

[stoic needle]

TO THE MOON

[ashen anchor]

Hold Sub stocks!

[tawny vigil]

youre assuming everyones on an equal skill level. id take a 80+ parsing sin over a green parsing outlaw 7 days a week.

[pliant apex]

i dont get it, iopen from stealth with mutilate

[hollow escarp]

that's before this buff

[stoic needle]

wowanalyzer is outdated

[pliant apex]

so it saying i didnt use MA is erroneous?

[hollow jungle]

That’s kinda why I said “currently”

[half fable]

@tawny vigil Right, bur parsing as sin is easy as hell, when there is damn near noone playing it.

[stoic needle]

yep oldhouse

[tawny vigil]

thats irrelevant

[raven egret]

lol

[hollow escarp]

[urban thistle]

Which is why they aren't talking about parses

[pliant apex]

that not fair, parsing well in any spec should be respected

[hollow escarp]

you can still get gray parses on dead specs

[half fable]

You brought up parsing... it is relevant

[urban thistle]

they're talking about actual dps value

[hollow escarp]

trust me

[balmy condor]

its as easy as this: you put sin in execute range, you put movement into a fight, and sin will win

[hollow escarp]

I can do it

[half fable]

This

[pliant apex]

to say sin parsing means nothing is highly objectionable to me and other sin players, parsing well takes skill, period

[tawny vigil]

this is response in to you saying no guilds taking a sin

[snow arch]

There are three colors in the rogue rainbow, don’t be afraid to let your color shine 🌈

[urban thistle]

Yea, just one of the colors is ugly

I'll let you guess which one it is

[stoic needle]

(outlaw)

[pliant apex]

not at all, to you perhaps

sin is prettiest color to me

outlaw and sub are ugly as f

[balmy condor]

it's definitely a lot easier when no one is playing sin, like right now

[feral basin]

5% buffs announced

[half fable]

Because I havnt seen a sinlge serious raiding guild take a sin rogue yet.

So thats why i said it...

[feral basin]

https://www.wowhead.com/news=320687/upcoming-class-tuning-for-next-weekly-reset-9-specs-buffed

[urban thistle]

Oh shit, class buffs

anyone see this yet?

[feral basin]

5% for sin

[urban thistle]

let's discuss it

[empty crescent]

SIN IS BUFFED?

[urban thistle]

5% WOW

[hollow escarp]

people don't reroll over night like this

[snow arch]

😁

[shrewd night]

I can sum up this entire discussion with one line: "If you want to play sin, more power to you. Just be realistic that its not because of its performance."

[empty crescent]

GUYS SIN GOT BUFFED @ HERE

[rotund oak]

Mindset to stay disciplined and mechanically potent ild say,but ye,it takes some skill to do that 😛

[feral basin]

Pretty big

[urban thistle]

Does this mean that Sin is the best rogue spec now?

[feral basin]

doubtful

[hollow escarp]

it was always the best

[hollow jungle]

No.

[urban thistle]

I'm gonna sell my akaari's

[feral basin]

outlaw still will hold i think

[kind matrix]

Like I said. Invest in assassin stocks.

[snow arch]

Best I can do is 17% haste atm

[shrewd night]

Kappa memes, wrong channel

[tough skiff]

now is enough to switch to assasin?

[rotund oak]

best no,very good and strong n all for sure

[urban thistle]

and craft doomblade

[balmy condor]

guys

please just read the pins

if you want a comparison between sub/sin

[empty crescent]

EVERYONE GO SIN NOW!!!1111

[balmy condor]

that's in there as well

sin is comparable to the other rogue specs

and has niche where it's better

[tough skiff]

still the lowest spec it seems by 2%

[balmy condor]

that's a healthy distance, if it were equal to sub, no one would play sub

[rigid wyvern]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/acKrtDjLPT4GC9Vp#fight=37&type=damage-done&phase=4
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/B6k382VaNXjmRnvC#fight=1&type=damage-done&phase=4

If your curious two logs outlaw vs sin on p3 denathrius with similar kill times, outlaw is just over the sin rogue

[ashen anchor]

Sin on Sludge post buff, yay or nay?

[hollow escarp]

@balmy condor I liked how you summed it up. Now you can play all 3 specs and do well

[shy dust]

Healthy distance

[pliant apex]

OMG just checked pins! its 5 percent more

[shy dust]

I wouldnt say healthy

[rotund oak]

sin for sure on sludge 😛

[pliant apex]

were comparable now with sub, were good enough

WOOT

[balmy condor]

why not

[rotund oak]

zoldycks and pump his b@tt

[tough skiff]

maybe next patch ill try back sin, having some fun with outlaw in M+ and PvP with sub

[stoic needle]

Please do not mention p**n in this channel

[shy dust]

the margin is a bit closer than sim

given lego difference

and fights arent pure patchwork

[balmy condor]

sure

Idk how close is too close

but I do not think sin should ever outsim sub

[reef axle]

question of the day, would it outtake sub pve?

[tough skiff]

Sin will top the meters now its easier to play and less mistakes

[dusky vale]

I haven’t played much sin, would this help enough in mythic plus?

[balmy condor]

have you tried the pin

[shy dust]

@balmy condor it just feels a bit too close for comfort

[hollow jungle]

rogue ain't toppin any meters any time soon.

[shy dust]

I also cant think

[balmy condor]

maybe so

[shy dust]

of what is close enough

its a hard question

but just from my standpoint

[reef axle]

i have not 🙂

[shy dust]

them being so close

[balmy condor]

depends on the fight

tbh

[shy dust]

unless

[tough skiff]

I mean toppin the rogue spec chart

[stoic needle]

also considering that very few people are getting sub's sim dps in practice

[shy dust]

their is a preferrable damage profile

sin will be better

[balmy condor]

correct

[shy dust]

just because mechanics cn lower subs damage

[tough skiff]

no one play the spec perfectly and sin is way easier and less mistakes

[shy dust]

much more than sins

[hollow escarp]

and if it will, it might be a good time to change guild

[stoic needle]

it's very easy to get close to sin's sim dps

[shy dust]

also sin is relatively easy as fuck to play

[hollow escarp]

yeah, the others are complicated

[rigid wyvern]

Ill have you know my 40% damage from melee/deadly poison is very difficult to apply

[young pebble]

not complicated but sub is unforgiving if you get hit with a mechanic during your dance window

[reef axle]

which will see sin beating the bad subs maybe

[tough skiff]

place bleeds, chill and repeat. easy... the only annoyance is remember to shiv

[young pebble]

like real unforgiving

[hollow escarp]

[shy dust]

not rly

you cant play around a mechanic coming onto you as symbols comes up

whether youre good or bad

youre faced with a loss in dps either way

[rotund oak]

sub is gonna die out eventually coz sin is quality of life and more noobfriendly

[rigid wyvern]

sub is too edgy to die out

[strange python]

THIS +1000

[hollow jungle]

noobfriendly doesn't make sub die? huh

[tough skiff]

Sub still king in pvp for rogues

[reef axle]

also true

[pliant apex]

exactly

[granite mist]

What are sins using for legendaries? Zod in raid and MA in keys?

[rigid wyvern]

zoldycks for both atm

[pliant apex]

THIS i agree fully

[strange python]

zoldyck in all t hings

[balmy condor]

zold everywhere

[pliant apex]

sin is what made me fall in rogues

[granite mist]

ah gotcha

[solid chasm]

i feel like sire really emphasizes this

[rigid wyvern]

i only swap of zoldycks for pvp

[shy dust]

no

sire is fine for sub

i cant think of any mechanics that will impede your dps greatly

[strange python]

i started in november last year with WoW in general, my first ever time, and I learned the spec with assa

[shy dust]

artificer more id say

[strange python]

so yes, assa is close to my heart too

[real solar]

okay ya no, my sin set sucks - staying sub for next week xd

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/t1aosJtayi4zTZ5GqqHYsp

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hRYZcehEPeK615J8zWKQu

[pliant apex]

yeah its a great spec, and now i say sin is good enough, and admins agree with me

[hollow escarp]

haven't played sub on sire yet but having 2 shadowsteps is so good for the knockback

[solid chasm]

ok yeah artificer is def a better example

[shy dust]

yes the step for it is amazing

[pliant apex]

i switched to sin when 8% came in, and now this 5% is only better newsd

[shy dust]

sin is just much more reliable when it comes to dpsing

[tough skiff]

how much % buff sin got since SL release now?

[pliant apex]

frankly didnt think itd happen so soon

[rotund oak]

You need alot of haste for sin 😛

[shy dust]

people can meme the uptime arguement but

sub is much more punished

[pliant apex]

18%

[hollow escarp]

I killed Sire last week as outlaw and it was so annoying not having shadowstep

[shy dust]

by outgoing mechanics

[tough skiff]

nice

[stoic needle]

18%

[hollow escarp]

grappling hook cdr wasn't good enough for each knockback

[tough skiff]

keep complaining lets make it 28%

[pliant apex]

sub and outlaw are horrible ewww, give me headaches,shoulderaches, eyeaches,buttaches

basically aches

[hollow escarp]

keep playing outlaw/sub guys

[rotund oak]

outlaw is very enjoyable,the most enjoyable rogue specc by far

sin is more reliable

[pliant apex]

enjoyable my sorry sagging ass

[stoic needle]

keep playing OL+sub so that maybe they'll give us a talent rework when they see that the numbers aren't enough

[hollow escarp]

I kinda like outlaw in M+ more, it's less things to manage than assa and more damage overall

[pliant apex]

playing sin is like piano, relaxing, fun , i almost never mess up with sin

and im barely average player

[tidal gorge]

Outlaw is Whack-A-Mole. Your cooldown timers are quite different depending on your bones, so I felt like it's just keeping a priority list in your head and clicking glowy buttons as they pop up

[stoic needle]

i will sticker paste in every content. you cannot stop me!

[tidal gorge]

Did not like that at all

[hollow escarp]

bring legion poison bomb back and watch the world burn?

[pliant apex]

yeah outlaw is eww, sub is some demon souls bs

if im looking to play this hard , id play from software games

[tough skiff]

less effort same results, time to get another dagger

[stoic needle]

kingsbane + CT baseline

[hollow escarp]

and shrouded suffocation baseline

[rotund oak]

highly doubt its ''less things to manage'' than any rogue specc.MFD/GS on top of overcapping management.. ye dont think so

[brittle pawn]

outlaw you dont know what you're going to be pressing for your next few buttons. i hate that.

[pliant apex]

never played a more difficult spec than sub

[stoic needle]

well something has to replace CT in the row

[loud niche]

I like this discord 🙂

[hollow escarp]

uhm, for aoe you just press blade flurry and make sure to use your cc on ads

I don't play mfd though

[solar flicker]

most dont lol

even tho it is more fun

[rotund oak]

ye thats not how u aoe as outlaw.U MFD and stay on top of your BTE with BR on 40 energy range

kinda wrong point of view there mate

[reef axle]

!rotation

[shy dust]

you press blade rushon cd in aoe

[tough skiff]

rogues are one of the most harder class in wow to master

[shy dust]

but that belongs in the outlaw channel

[hollow escarp]

well, you can make everything sound fancy and you can also say that sin is "just keep bleeds/poisons" up @rotund oak

[rotund oak]

thats a given ma dude

[reef axle]

!sin

[hollow escarp]

like somebody said earlier

[real solar]

yo anyone have a good sin sim from this week?

[shy dust]

I meant to say blade rush

[languid ore]

Spec saved bois

[rotund oak]

u didnt hear that from me though,yoiuve made the statement about outlaw,which is far from being true

[hollow escarp]

press blade rush before blade flurry for extra damage

sorry

[balmy condor]

can we go back to sin pls

:)

[rotund oak]

normally u BR after flurry but sometimes u wanna ''clock'' small cds faster.BR after Flury is the correct aoe ''burst''

[hollow escarp]

so what do you think sin does in M+?

[stoic needle]

just think about how stonks sin is gonna be in M+ on tuesday with first strike

[real solar]

some1 link me a good sin sim from this week tyvm

[loud niche]

i could

[tough skiff]

we just need convoke bigger nerf and expansion saved

[languid ore]

Not til next tier and new leggos. You know how it goes

[scarlet galleon]

[loud niche]

but i dont think it's a good idea

ivanrah

[solar flicker]

the % buff hasnt been implemented into raidbots yet right

kind of a dumb q

[stoic needle]

sin gets higher first strike uptime than any other spec because we don't hit every mob in the pack immediately because of subterfuge garotte

[real solar]

do it @loud niche

[languid ore]

All Blizz is doing it flattening bottom

[stoic needle]

there's at least 3 gcds of putting up garottes where we have first strike up

[reef axle]

do we even use ambush?

[hollow escarp]

not really

[stoic needle]

only with a blindside proc

[loud niche]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/arbdAZLvyK9cQjFk#fight=18&type=damage-done

there ya go friend

[stoic needle]

he said sin sim not sin log

[hollow escarp]

wild hunt tactics though

[real solar]

ya

i said sim not log

wth

[hollow escarp]

what exactly are you looking for?

[stoic needle]

enjoy your 99 while it lasts river

[real solar]

and heroic log LUL

[hollow escarp]

no shaming here

[solar flicker]

i wanna see fat assa sims too

i have 0 haste gear

[hollow escarp]

I think I sim 5400

5 min patchewerk

[real solar]

i just wanna compare some stuff - 6.5k sim as sub, only 5917 as sin

[versed mica]

lol this guy doesn't play WoW as much as I do?! LUL

[indigo ginkgo]

the probl there its that the sub log is only 92 e almost catch you, tyaht means that if he had a 99 to he would smoke you

[languid ore]

It's being thr best of the worst at this point. Main Raiders aren't really clearing heroic these days. (The good ones)

[indigo ginkgo]

thats the problem with assasin ahhaha

[hollow escarp]

I'm tempted to select 4 SLG trinkets in party

I do have that in my raid

we have 7 people with it

[real solar]

is it in the windfury group

:^)

[hollow escarp]

no enha

[real solar]

😦

need a windfury ocarina SLG group

[versed mica]

we had an ehance shammy in my raid group once

he quit WoW after 2 weeks :)

[hollow escarp]

without SLG group, Memory of Past Sins 213 sims better than 220 SLG

[stoic needle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iXihkiYQ5TrYZyjSyWzMeT

[real solar]

i mean, the SLG group thing hardly makes a diff

it's such a small gain

[molten harbor]

this is 18% increase now this tier right?

[stoic needle]

if i hit 1600 this weekend

[hollow escarp]

it did for me last raid

[real solar]

ya @molten harbor

[molten harbor]

JFC

[brittle pawn]

is there something i can put in advanced sim to add 5%?

[molten harbor]

I hope this tempts me to get off my Lock

[hollow escarp]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vjc4p1YNozQTmocuhRULpP

I think past sins sims better because of wild hunt tactics

the feelycrafter in me says so

[loud niche]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pw3BvskyEyt7VyzLM8oKV4

im niya tho

[frosty bridge]

Pretty pog

[hollow escarp]

same for assa

[frosty bridge]

Korayn sims 5908 for me

[hollow escarp]

I use Korayn for outlaw m+

[frosty bridge]

Compared to Niya 5887

[real solar]

what legendary are sin rogues supposed to actually use in raid

cause i simmed the one from pins

[hollow escarp]

zoldyck is nice

[tight ravine]

More!

[loud niche]

zold for overall, dashing for ST only

[real solar]

so same as akaari vs finality for sub

got it

[hollow escarp]

@loud niche I see that mutilate is higher than Rupture in your sims compared to mine and Oshosi

[solar flicker]

@loud niche so you get +226 dps from the 4% buff on tues, and likely another +4% from burrs

[hollow escarp]

weapons do make a difference

[solar flicker]

right?

[brittle pawn]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/i19Ey7Ad8Ybr7kCyRUX2wo

[solar flicker]

thats not bad assa might be not troll on small cleave

[brittle pawn]

5770 + 5% = 6058

[real solar]

it's not a flat 5%

[hollow escarp]

isn't it ability damage only?

[real solar]

cause melee damage

[tidal gorge]

It's more like +3% in reality

[hollow escarp]

yeah

[solar flicker]

ah

[brittle pawn]

ah. 5943 then

[loud niche]

so burrs > potency?

[solar flicker]

yes

[real solar]

from @balmy condor - https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wspvrQCPwDYx2BxhTUqQ7B

[solar flicker]

unless assa has some sick ass potencies idk about

[hollow escarp]

nope

I mean, it's nice to play both

well placed steel and poisons

but we'll see next week if it's better or not

[solar flicker]

damn that whisp sim is with the tuning as well?

and 230 ilvl?

:/

[brittle pawn]

so i'd sim within 50 dps of my sub setup

[real solar]

nah click on it

it's for burrs

[solar flicker]

ya

[real solar]

and MA

[balmy condor]

what are we linking

that's pre-buff btw

[solar flicker]

ur burrs sim

[grim hornet]

OYOYOYOYOYOY

just saw another 5%

are we viable again? D:

[hollow escarp]

I'm just gonna wait for next week to sim myself with burrs

[real solar]

[reef axle]

ima say sub still winning, even pins agree

[balmy condor]

that sim is a comparison to show that sitting in MA windows is bad

[hollow escarp]

have fun

[stoic needle]

does anyone else get weird results from gear compare

[balmy condor]

the default for that profile is the BiS list niya sim

[hollow escarp]

I mostly use Top Gear

because I like to sim all soulbinds for no reason

[solar flicker]

oh makes sense

ty

[rugged dragon]

https://www.wowhead.com/news=320687/upcoming-class-tuning-for-next-weekly-reset-9-specs-buffed

For you assassination ppl 🙂

5%

more

[solar flicker]

i think they know brother

[hollow escarp]

thanks for the news

[balmy condor]

wow insane

[loud niche]

another 10% and I'd be happy

[stoic needle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rNj25X62z83LN2ggb6X2nT this sim is if i got 213 pvp upgrades in almost all of my slots and its only showing as a 129 dps upgrade

i feel like it should be more than that

[hollow escarp]

I also thought having 2 potency conduits will make a bigger difference

[rugged dragon]

ay, I just told you guys. No need to be like that lol

[stoic needle]

going from 200-213 should be a bigger upgrade than that I thought

[young pebble]

Just teasing you for being late to the party

[rugged dragon]

middle of an rbg right now, so I only just noticed 😛

[tacit forum]

Is there a BiS sheet around?

[real solar]

!bis

[prisma monolith]

Whispyrs Bis list: http://tiny.cc/76r5tz

[tacit forum]

Thank you

I finally got 19% haste, but my sims says I need crit over haste = s

but If I equip my ring it drops to 15

What do you guys think?

[real solar]

my sims say crit too - trust in the sims

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kaikLFyB1DhRwbdYBSwUJQ

[livid temple]

So sin and sub will be basically interchangeable on mainly ST fights, I'm guessing 2 target cleave sin will beat sub, and sin will also be better on fights that have an execute phase?

[loud niche]

i play at 21% haste, and it feels great. ive played at 15% haste and it felt good then too

so

[placid cobalt]

if sin reaches within 100 dps of sub, most will default to sin, cos of ease of play and better damage in downtime imo

like every boss where u actually have to go away to do stuff, sin will be better i guess

sims assume you sit on target for 5 minutes straight with no downtime, don't forget that, also sub sims assume using aakari, while most people are using finality which sims around 40 dps less in pure ST scenario

combining that with the fact that sin leggo works as execute id say this 5% might just push people to reroll sin at this point for progress raiding, we'll see though

[fast nacelle]

i mean for farm it ll make already sense to go sin

[raven egret]

also factor in the fact that

we have extra damage for the most important phase of the fight

execute

[fast nacelle]

sire only p3 matters where sin will shine very hard now

[raven egret]

especially on sire

yes

[fast nacelle]

so you just play outlaw on slg and assa on sire

rest of the bosses dont matter anyway

[tacit forum]

Zoldyck for sire then?

[fast nacelle]

yea

[raven egret]

yea 100%

[fast nacelle]

i mean iirc you play it for everything anyway

[placid cobalt]

wonder how it will be stacking up in keys

[fast nacelle]

overall just get cele for outlaw finality sub zoldyck assa and u ll be fine 100% of the time

[brazen halo]

Zoldyck on what armor piece is best? :3

[fast nacelle]

then MA rank 1 for necrotic wake

and call it a day

[placid cobalt]

with outlaw being target capped and all it might not be that bad if u get high enough keys that u can dot 5-6 targets

[raven egret]

zoldyck legs is the move afaik

[tacit forum]

I have both lvl 2 for now

I have 5 legos lol

[fast nacelle]

bullshit.. you will never go on assa cause of target caps lol

in "high keys" you wont do atom pulls anyway

and if so you just play sub

assa wont be magical good now

it will never be in m+

[raven egret]

nah outlaw will always be better in key

[fast nacelle]

decent/viable at best

never #1 prio

[raven egret]

but its not bad in key for sure

[tacit forum]

Sin just need hemorrhage back haha

[raven egret]

like its legit fun

[unborn marlin]

Yea when we had a bajillion haste

[fast nacelle]

idk... if you have fun dotting ppl you can just play sub aswell and "ignore" the rupture rule

i like having 1 CP per target with shuriken storm

would be great if assa would have this aswell

[shy dust]

target caps are not a problem if you do damage

hunter is target capped

and still does very strong damage

[grim canopy]

every week 5% maybe by next year assasin will do more than tank dps

[shy dust]

dont blame target capping for just bad aoe damage

[brazen halo]

Wild Spirits isn't target capped afaik though.

[tacit forum]

I was playing sub till yesterday

[shy dust]

it is

it says so in the tooltip

[tacit forum]

I'm kinda sick of it

[brazen halo]

Fair enough xD

[fast nacelle]

another 5% aura buff could be already too much

currently the execute factor would make it "best" progress spec already

[raven egret]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/757919825820647494/797464349403774986/image0.png

[fading wigeon]

Wooohooooo

[indigo ginkgo]

dont see a targhet cap on flamestrike fire mage,

[tacit forum]

What are you thoughts about the double legendaries?

Sin seems to have so much potential.

[grim canopy]

i rather have SS than 5% more dmg

shrouded Suffocation

[raven egret]

shrouded felt nice

[grim canopy]

played on sin strengths and theme bigly

[bright turret]

Around how much is the damage gain once you get into the execute phase with Zold?

[brittle pawn]

wish you could scrap leggos to get ash back

[reef axle]

yeh looks like zold over scoundrel

[fading wigeon]

It's always been zoldyk over scoundrel

[livid temple]

So after the buff it looks like sin will be about 100-200 dps shy of sub, so I'm guessing we will see a lot more sin players next week, guess I should craft a sin legendary instead of rank 4 akaaris

[reef axle]

I would also consider getting an umbrahide now before prices go up next week

[brittle pawn]

yea that's what i just did

considered buying more

🚀

[hollow escarp]

I'm already preparing my pants/boots stock

don't have rank 4 pants yet though

[balmy condor]

with blindside factored in, gonna be like 20-25%

[grim canopy]

maybe sin might start being okay inM+ with 5% more

[spice sable]

noob question, but as expansion progresses, leggo's rank will increase?

[stuck tartan]

wait, another buff? am i dreaming?

[reef axle]

i still have my doubts it will be the go to though

but getting there maybe lol

[safe barn]

wait for a another couple of weeks and sin will be better than sub

[fleet anchor]

One more hotfix to go and then Assassination will be good.

😛

[hollow escarp]

[fleet anchor]

Maybe Blizzard should have started with the 20-25% we suggested to begin with haha

[hollow escarp]

they are working from home

sending all this in batches

[main forge]

Its an indie game company, give them a break guys.

[brittle sparrow]

agree with rather have SS back

I miss it so much

[hollow escarp]

best thing about BfA

[main forge]

but +18% from launch is a huge "missed the mark"

[fleet anchor]

The Assassination passive amount is reaching hilarious levels though.

[hollow escarp]

what passive?

[brittle sparrow]

and not just rogues its been multiple buffs across multiple classes lol

like fury

[main forge]

Rogues still has the biggest afaik.

[hollow escarp]

we got buffed every buff wave

[main forge]

but other classes are still and will still be underperforming by quite a lot.

[brittle sparrow]

well can't expect an indie game dev company to make things perfect in beta

[main forge]

Its not like they rushed the game out the door and had to delay their launch because players were crying about it not being ready.

[oblique flare]

guys, give them time, they just got back from their vacation and AWC and MDI is running, and soon we'll have vaneltines day and then eastern

[hollow escarp]

MDI is just beta testing for dungeons

[grim canopy]

why the hell aint they nerfing boomkin

[hollow escarp]

boomies are fine

[brittle sparrow]

they already nerfed the button for boomies

[main forge]

uncap aoe for other classes and see where boomies sit

[hollow escarp]

the aoe cap is just a thing to keep us busy complaining so they can get away with other shit

just like GCD

[safe barn]

dont nerf anyone

buff everyone else

[hollow escarp]

diablo 3 cough

[brittle sparrow]

poison bomb not capped

[main forge]

Honestly I would have loved them not to buff us by 18% and would have given us like SS or DD or buffed an ability or two over it.

[hollow escarp]

idk about that

plaing blindside assassin feels better

I missed refreshing garrotes on pandemic

[thin kernel]

I'd settle for SS 3 cc in opener

[hollow escarp]

although garrotes felt nice in bfa

[thin kernel]

cp*

[stuck tartan]

even if it feels better with SS

the 18% is needed cause ur rupture would deal shit damage

[karmic tusk]

SS was the best part about bfa assassination 🙂

[main forge]

even just buffing mutilate would have helped.... and give a buff to rupture, like idk make crits hit harder when it they are ticking on a poisoned target, and/or have crits or something give more energy back.

but they lazy and rather just give a +dmg% to us to make it easy on them

[reef axle]

to buy another 80k leggo or to not buy in hopes price will be doubled next week......

[hollow escarp]

don't think they will get doubled

[raven egret]

invest in zoldyck

[hollow escarp]

depends on the crafters on your realm

it's hard to reset the legendary market

[reef axle]

well interest either way lol

[main forge]

crafters on my realm are greedy AF

[warm parcel]

What would this achieve?

Just make crit worth even more it is now?

Aura buffs are there to balance the specs when fundamentals work

[hollow escarp]

I'm making profit only on rank 3 legendaries 😦

[warm parcel]

And assas fundamental has worked for years now

Feel free to tell me whats wrong with core assa

Its literally been the same for past 4 xpacs cause it works

[hollow escarp]

slice and dice

[warm parcel]

Whats wrong with it

[stoic needle]

The only problem with Assassination core is the aoe

[hollow escarp]

outlaw and sub have ways to have snd automated

[stoic needle]

That's why stuff like SS feels so good

[warm parcel]

Its not meant to be a mongo aoe

[hollow escarp]

and it feels bad to open with snd

[main forge]

I just rather have a more interesting change then a +dmg% modifier, nothing wrong, would just like something to make it a little interesting, just like how SS and the +haste corruption made us change up the "Core" of Sin

[stoic needle]

Cuz the aoe in sin is kinda lacking

[tidal gorge]

Assassin worked in BFA mostly because of borrowed power. The spec itself could use a refresher honestly

[stoic needle]

There is a difference between mongo aoe and the clunkiness that is sub aoe

Multidotting without some kind of extra interaction or gimmick is not what I would call solid fundamental

[warm parcel]

Clunky aoe is just subjective tho

[marsh wagon]

Remove SnD, make FoK hit harder on the first 5 targets

ez fix

[stoic needle]

FoK is clunky

[warm parcel]

Some like slow methodical dot n rot

[grim canopy]

wEab you do good in m+ as s in?

[hollow escarp]

fok 5 targets = 1 combo point

[warm parcel]

I dont do m+ outside weeklies

[stoic needle]

Yeah ok

Well as someone who does a lot of m+ as sin

[warm parcel]

Crying about fok crits nothing new

[grim canopy]

is sin good in m+?

[stoic needle]

It needs something extra

[warm parcel]

No

[stoic needle]

Especially when other specs run around with uncapped aoe

[hollow escarp]

well, using mutilate in m+ to get cp feels bad

[stoic needle]

Ct being baseline would be a nice start

[warm parcel]

Yeah those specs are the ones in need of change

[hollow escarp]

because fok is not working

[warm parcel]

Not assa

[stoic needle]

We have almost everything we need to be good baseline in aoe it just needs some tweaking

[teal kettle]

eventually we're going to have sin as the best performing spec but by far the worst playstyle

[stoic needle]

Poison bomb is actually great it just does no dmg

[warm parcel]

Yeah no

Something tells me you didnt play in legion

[pearl pollen]

Anyone feel like this buff could be enough to bring sin into progression now? With Sire having quite a bit of downtime, it seems like the dots would perform better. And with P3 being so important, it just seems like sin would be the better choice. I have been going outlaw for sire progress so far though

[main forge]

Poison Bomb is like the most uninspiring talent choice in the entire game.

[warm parcel]

Nothing more fun than having 90% of your dps come from rppm procs

[cinder yoke]

bring back legion MA opener poison bombs

[warm parcel]

[hollow escarp]

PB was annoying in legion

[cinder yoke]

rng lottery spec yay

[hollow escarp]

just like wild spirits now

[stoic needle]

That's why I said it needs to be tweaked

[hollow escarp]

for hunters

[raven egret]

sin is preferable for sire progress now id assume

[stoic needle]

The concept of a small pool of uncapped aoe

Is good

The implementation

Is not

[warm parcel]

Doesnt fire mage show exactly why uncapped aoe is stupid

[hollow escarp]

[thin kernel]

No it shows having them be able to reset combustion is stupid

[main forge]

Doesn't DH tank show why uncapped aoe is stupid.... still isn't stopping huge pulls when you can kite around and not actually tank anything.

[stoic needle]

Why does fire mage have to be seen as a bad thing instead of a goal that specs should try to reach

[pearl pollen]

I need to find another dagger for sire progress now I think lol

[main forge]

PvP a conquest dagger

[warm parcel]

Cause
A. Blizz literally stated they dont want that kinda gameplay
B. Worked majority of the game to function so that doesnt happen

[grim canopy]

anyone elses comment section for youtube gone for 2 days now?

[stoic needle]

There's nothing wrong with uncapped aoe, just when only a couple specs have access to it and other specs aren't boosted to compensate

[pearl pollen]

yep

[warm parcel]

So its the fire thats out of line

They literally flat out laid out their design filo for you

And youre going against it

[stoic needle]

Blizzard has bad design philosophies all the damn time

It's not new

[warm parcel]

Yeah cause players are always better designers

[stoic needle]

I mean

[raven egret]

too bad all their designers play mage

fotm literally every patch

[thin kernel]

Nothing wrong with uncapped aoe, try playing boomy when tank isnt tracking cds. Fire doesnt have that problem cus of kindling

[grim canopy]

islands was an incredible design

[warm parcel]

Im not denying mage has been good for a long time, but that still doesnt mean assa as a core isnt functioning well

[stoic needle]

1 ring of Azerite

[warm parcel]

And has a clear design to it

[raven egret]

assa is fine

for sure

[hollow escarp]

[grim canopy]

Then why did they buff it

?

[raven egret]

i meant

[warm parcel]

Would I like some cool tier sets or KB back? Sure

[stoic needle]

I still think the aoe part of assassination core needs tweaking

[raven egret]

functioning

[teal kettle]

playing sin in keys is not fine

[raven egret]

not damage

[hollow escarp]

well wEab is talking about core, not tuning

[warm parcel]

Those are the kinda borrowed powers we have nowadays in this game

[stoic needle]

Ct baseline instead of having to choose between it and Pb

Would do a lot

[teal kettle]

you can give it all the dmg buffs you want but its miserable to play compared to bfa in aoe scenarios

[grim canopy]

if sin is fine now, what was it in BFA with shrouded

and high ranking dmg

[hollow escarp]

CT baseline with 8 sec cd @stoic needle

[stoic needle]

Bfa is a bad benchmark of how assassination should play

[warm parcel]

SS literally made no difference in so many aoe situations in m+

[teal kettle]

not in keys imo

[warm parcel]

You just wasted plenty cp

[raven egret]

bfa is bad benchmark off everything