#assassination

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regal torrent
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right on

stoic needle
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I like the consistency

rain peak
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!guide

prisma monolithBOT
pliant apex
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wouldnt that make the spec harder to play cmon man

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its a horrible idea

balmy condor
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Good thing he was joking then

pliant apex
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oh lol

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man i need to start understanding this stuff better

strange python
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I don’t think he was joking

toxic tusk
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Didn't attacking from behind used to be like, the standard?

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I still consistently stand behind what I'm attacking, I just always have

low girder
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it's still the standard, you just can't always do so

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ie the strat we use for m shriekwing when the echoes come out we (the melee) need to stand in front of the boss

stoic needle
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Bosses still parry in retail, you'll see if you dps on a raiding training dummy

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My first two mutilates got parried on the dummy when I was practicing yesterday pepehands

balmy condor
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anyone ever get a shiv parried

low girder
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i had 3 envenoms parried in a row on m azshara add

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and we didn't kill it before the next shield went off because of that

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the salt

native turtle
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I think pairing Toxic Blade with your enrage dispel was a good move by blizzard!

balmy condor
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I don't think he was joking

stoic needle
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You should put undoing that change into your rework idea whispyr

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It was a bad change

balmy condor
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yeh true

native turtle
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If it makes toxic blade baseline i still support it even though it feels bad sometimes

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but it really should be 2 seperate moves

stoic needle
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It should be separate for sin Sinscheme

balmy condor
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it should

frozen jasper
balmy condor
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I do

native turtle
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This was an awesome read. I can tell you care a lot about assassination. Very cool!

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hemo for assassination makes too much sense

stone epoch
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Was it cata or wotlk that assassination had that backstab execution interaction? I wouldn’t mind if they just all in’d the execution spec idea

balmy condor
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dispatch yeh

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but with zoldyck/blindside

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that sort of already exists

balmy condor
stone epoch
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Ah yeah true

low girder
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even wod sin had dispatch

balmy condor
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yup

low girder
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it was bad but it existed

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lol

balmy condor
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was legion that got rid of it finally

frozen jasper
balmy condor
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pleasure

low girder
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the new blindside i think is a better interaction

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imo

balmy condor
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I agree

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now if only ambush weren't shit

low girder
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lmao

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true

misty holly
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Someone on rogue forum yesterday was saying the poison conduit isn't working. Has anyone tested it lately?

native turtle
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Shoutout to your Torturer discord icon

low girder
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i heard about it from the rogue forums but no one here has complained about it so i didn't bother testing

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i guess i could

misty holly
low girder
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give me a few

balmy condor
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hold on

native turtle
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Who wants functioning conduits anyway 🙂

balmy condor
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it is functioning

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is the problem

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I didn't think people actually read the forums

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the guy doesn't actually post logs or anything

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so I'm kinda big sus

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I also have a log

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I didn't post

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let me find it

low girder
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yep 158 vs 179 for me

balmy condor
low girder
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def works

balmy condor
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also 2 fights here

low girder
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unless he seems to think it also applies to the dot

balmy condor
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one with, one without

low girder
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which you know, it doesn't. if you read it.

misty holly
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okay ty, either that person did the test wrong or they are just sowing discord

low girder
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my guess is he thinks it applies to the dot

balmy condor
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tested wrong from what I read

low girder
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i haven't seen the post though

balmy condor
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let me see if I can post on forums, I'll respond

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there's that weird new thing with trust levels or something

native turtle
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found the post @balmy condor https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/lethal-poisons-conduit-is-not-working-on-assassination/839014

World of Warcraft Forums
'Lethal Poisons' conduit is not working on Assassination

(Possibly other specs as well, needs testing.) I recorded the damage of 15 instant poison applications from each type of poison (Wound and Deadly.) I made sure there were no aura procs or other buffs/factors in play. (Removed Trinket as well) I ran the test 3 times and got the same results using the same marked dummy outside the heart of the fo...

balmy condor
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yes

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I'm aware of the post

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I just cannot respond

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lmao

native turtle
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LOL

low girder
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rofl

balmy condor
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how the fuck do forums even work these days

low girder
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same actually

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i can't even report

native turtle
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is it closed or something? no clue

low girder
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just like and link to

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oh no there we go, i can reply now

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weird

balmy condor
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well

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I can like the post

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I guess

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that's cool

pliant apex
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does sepsis have to be used again in raid environment , for any dps gain? as sin rogue

balmy condor
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you cast it on cooldown, yes

native turtle
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i don't think it scales with assassination mastery if that is what you are asking @pliant apex

pliant apex
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i mean after its used, what do i do with the stealth ability i get for 5 sec?

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just use ambush ?

native turtle
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yes

pliant apex
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ahh , a weak aura would help yes, so i dont have to keep an eye when the 5 sec window gets enabled?

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switching covs now,so just wanted to make sure i know how sepsis before making the decision

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if its harder to use than flagellation

native turtle
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If it's pure single target and you are lazy, you can just watch to see when the DoT falls off

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then use ambush

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but yeah a weak aura would help

pliant apex
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but you dont find it particularly difficult to use mid fight?

balmy condor
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you ignore the proc completely

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sepsis finishes

native turtle
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wait what?

balmy condor
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you don't care about the proc

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and you move on with your life

native turtle
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oh thats mb the guides i read said to ambush with the proc

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ignore me @pliant apex

pliant apex
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oh wow, thats easy as hell then, i just press sepsis button and forget about it

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no wonder ppl say flag is crap

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thats the prob with guides, they cant tell you always the right thing, unless the guides mentioned here

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ive seen a few videos by 'experts' on youtube and theyre entirely wrong..

native turtle
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When in doubt just listen to Whispyr. They are the assassination g0d

pliant apex
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yeah true

balmy condor
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seli's guide on icyveins should have the change

native turtle
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wowhead asssassination rotation for sure says it

balmy condor
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and weak should've edited it as well

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lemme check what it says

native turtle
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its under the "core priorities" section

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for assassination rotation

balmy condor
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aha

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I'll talk to mystler about it

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thanks

native turtle
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no problem sorry for the misinformation lol

pliant apex
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see hehe i brought up important stuff , man i feel good now

balmy condor
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just some stuff that got missed

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the ambush only with blindside stuff is fairly new findings

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so updating in all the places is a bit of a process

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and sometimes you just don't see one

devout temple
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anyone here done m+ recently on stream/video? I just wanna see what some of you do

balmy condor
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not recently PepeHands

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playing keys isn't worth the time

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sad days

devout temple
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So what do people do inbetween raids in SL

balmy condor
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pvp or play different games

devout temple
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rip

balmy condor
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I don't like pvp

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so path of exile it is

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@low girder help how do forums work

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I still can't post

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I'm so lost

low girder
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idk mine has a reply button

native turtle
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I found it

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You need to be logged in on the top right

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where it says "my account"

balmy condor
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guess I'm not logged in

native turtle
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after i logged in (and saw a screen like yours) i was able to scroll to the bottom and hit "reply"

balmy condor
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yeah idk man

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somethings fucked

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joined 1 day

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but days visited is 2?

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the fuck is a "basic user"

tropic dust
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A user who likes pumpkin spice and ugg boots

balmy condor
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yo true

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I'm just a basic bitch

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that's why my name green

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green is the color of every jacket bought by a chick in their mid 20's

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"olive is just a great color"

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sigh, I don't get how forums work lmao

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whatever

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hopefully it doesn't turn into an actual thing

stoic needle
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the forums were borked for me the same way for a bit

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then i logged out and back in and came back a few days later and it worked fine

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it's a shitshow

balmy condor
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maybe I log in from a new browser

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nope

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feel free to invite him here

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have no problem talking about it

native turtle
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ok i posted on my warlock telling him it works and directing him to this channel for more specific information lol

balmy condor
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perfect thanks dad

native turtle
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no problem son

stoic needle
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made myself a little cd reminder weakaura with a couple extra bits

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i made the garotte icon come up and bleed when there's an un-garotted target nearby and garotte is off CD

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that's the bleed effect i mentioned the other day

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there's so much cool shit you can do with weakauras

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now i just made shiv have a poison splash effect

rigid wyvern
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I need something like that

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im real bad on keeping on top of bleeds while multi-dotting

stoic needle
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that's just the garrotte part

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i might turn this into a full aura with shiv, vendetta, vanish, rupture, etc. later this evening

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i'll go through and add all the different on-use trinkets

buoyant mauve
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top gear just told me that 2 on use trinkets I have are bis for me atm, only question is, how do I know which one to use first? (wakener's frond 2min cd and dreafire vessel 1.5min cd)

rigid wyvern
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404 on the pastebin for some reason

balmy condor
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sims use the top slot first

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you would stat sticks first

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then damage on use

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if they're both damage on use, it doesn't matter what order you use them in

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since trinket damage is not buffed by any spec mechanics

buoyant mauve
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ah oke, guess I'll be opening with the 630 haste one then

balmy condor
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yup

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use that on pull with vendetta, and then follow with the vessel

stoic needle
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tell me that isn't cool

balmy condor
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the color of my energy bar changes when I use vendetta/blades

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I used to have a changer for shiv as well

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but that looks hella clean

stoic needle
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that's pretty sick

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my energy bar is part of elvui so I can't do stuff with it, but now I might change that lol

balmy condor
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how are you recording the gif?

stoic needle
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my graphics card's recording software

balmy condor
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aha

stoic needle
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the LFG window opening was me pressing the wrong button trying to save the gif kekw

balmy condor
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I'll just record through obs real quick

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hold on

stoic needle
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Apparently all of the particles for every ability are in the game files but not all of them are accessible to weakauras for some reason peepostudy

buoyant mauve
balmy condor
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with MA you should Mut snd mut rupt

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wowhead still says ambush, I talked with mystler about it earlier, should be fixed tomorrow or sometime soon depending on their proof-reading delay

stoic needle
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Honestly I've kinda always enjoyed the way that weakaura energy bars animate I might have to actually do that

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Every day I stray closer and closer to a full weakaura replacement for my ui omegalul

buoyant mauve
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ah oke thank you, icy-veins prob has the weirdest looking opener saying to open with cov ability as long as you're not with mal

balmy condor
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technically how the sim opens

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openers in general don't change your actually damage much

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like if you open with sepsis or open with mut

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doesn't REALLY matter that much

buoyant mauve
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well what I've been doing is using my sepsis after my ven

stoic needle
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Shiv>vendetta>sepsis is usually what I do

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Vanish in-between shiv and vendetta

balmy condor
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well that seems weird because you're using sepsis after shiv

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probably also fine

stoic needle
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Stealth doesn't give us any innate bonuses without ns or Ma, right? So it's ok if vendetta breaks us out of stealth? Or should you vendetta before vanishing

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Hmm yeah I guess because of the gcd it's a little better to sepsis into shiv instead of the other way around

balmy condor
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well nightstalker, MA, and subt, all give some stealth bonus

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so yes, but also no

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because you want the 20 seconds of vendetta to be when you have everything up

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and also you shiv after sepsis because sepsis is 10 seconds, with a strong hit at the end, and shiv is 9 seconds

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so if you sepsis -> shiv, the gcd will make shiv cover the whole sepsis

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including the bonk

stoic needle
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Ahhh gotcha

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Ngl this is way more complicated than jamming dance + symbols lmao

balmy condor
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well that's just opener things

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after that shiv never really lines up with sepsis

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and you just smash it on cd

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so its fine

solar prairie
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hey guys .. i got a question a littlebit off topic ... which legendary do u use ? im playin rn with the MA one but its kinda meh.. 😄

balmy condor
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sin uses zoldyck

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in pve

stoic needle
balmy condor
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in pvp people play MA

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yeh, him

viral meadow
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Sepsis doesn't benefit from shiv - is that correct?

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Just read above. It does apparently.

balmy condor
viral meadow
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I kinda just assume with stuff like that that it won't work. Like sepsis not working with NS opener.

pliant apex
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on pull, how to use sepsis? use with vendetta?

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or mut-sep-slice on opener?

balmy condor
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Doesn’t really matter that much

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You gar mut slice with sepsis, mut slice mut rup with ma

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After that you can do whatever

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Sepsis vendetta shiv rup

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Vend mut sepsis shiv enven

pliant apex
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can i just use sep on cd?

balmy condor
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That’s how you do it, yes

pliant apex
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oh , you suggest opener to be gar-mut-slice? i do mut-slice-mut-gar-rup

balmy condor
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Are you using subterfuge

pliant apex
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no MA

balmy condor
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Then that’s what you do

pliant apex
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mut slice mut rup.. ahh i dont bother with garrote on opener?

balmy condor
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Well no, because garrote is buffed by subterfuge

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And you’re not taking that

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So it doesn’t matter when you garrote

pliant apex
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so when do i use garrote, after cds are used ?

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i mean i want to keep it up eventually right?

balmy condor
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Well yes

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You cast mut slice mut rup

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You could do mut slice mut gar rup

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That’s the same thing

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You could do mut slice mut rup gar

pliant apex
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ahh ok yea thats what id do then

balmy condor
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Like

pliant apex
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the last line

balmy condor
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Just Logic

pliant apex
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yea.. well i dont read much into what spells/abilities do, i will now sorry

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do i always want to use vendetta at 0 cp?

balmy condor
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nah

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you just fire it off

pliant apex
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ah tyvm

agile geode
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Do you guys think assa rogue Will be fixed again during this tier?

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Or maybe Next

balmy condor
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probably not

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its fine as it is right now

agile geode
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I dont think is fine

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Its under sub

balmy condor
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okay?

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and sub is under outlaw

agile geode
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And sub is a bit garbage right now

balmy condor
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and outlaw is under boomy

agile geode
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My opinion

balmy condor
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there will always be specs that are better

loud niche
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whyspir

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❤️

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how much dps do i lose not using subter on huntsman?

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enough to not put me in the 90+%?

balmy condor
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idk, sim 2 target 5 minute and find out

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probably not enough to keep you out of the 90's

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some of the higher logs are blindside/ma

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there's even a log in the top 20 with EP/NS/MFD

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which is definitely wrong

loud niche
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for mythic? really

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lmfao

balmy condor
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oh was looking at heroic kekw

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there's a guy with NS and dreamweaver at 45 though

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that's kinda fun

loud niche
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wow

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79 parse oh god notlikethis

balmy condor
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imagine getting beat by a dweeb with nightstalker

loud niche
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nobody running nightstalker tho

balmy condor
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i mean

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except that one guy

loud niche
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25th best parse

balmy condor
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that's running nighstalker

loud niche
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i dont see this man on mythic huntsman

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oh

balmy condor
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45

loud niche
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nah, he got like a 60's parse

balmy condor
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oh

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right

loud niche
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yeah, but so few that his % parse is low

balmy condor
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the color of the parse on the ranking page

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is not the color of the parse

loud niche
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im number 25 :3

balmy condor
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no fucking clue why that's a thing

prisma yoke
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with kyrian echoing reprimand: should i use it on rupture or on envenom preferrably? (PvE Single Target)

balmy condor
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I remember doing some sims on it

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the dps difference is like 5 or 6 dps

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pretty much within margin of error

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so I'm gonna say, doesn't matter

prisma yoke
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ok. so pretty much "depending on the situation"

balmy condor
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depending on what you would normally cast, yes

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you just do what you normally do

prisma yoke
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kk thx smile_nep

balmy condor
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np

loud niche
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why is vers so plentiful this raid tier? i hope it doesnt stay this way.

halcyon grail
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Because it's raw % damage instead of % of a % of your damage.. if that makes sense.

loud niche
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whispyr what is happening

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M hungering has a top 10 parsed NS

balmy condor
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well

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the secret is

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NS isn't actually bad

loud niche
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im being meme'd on

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WutFace

buoyant mauve
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so how's everyone using their cd's with hero on 3rd?

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on sludgefist*

stoic needle
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In what situations would we use NS? I love me some snapshotting

viral meadow
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Rupture

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unless there's a dps window i.e. sludgefist

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then Envenom

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Or do you mean like, what fights?

limber lion
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the color of the parse on the ranking page
@balmy condor > is not the color of the parse
@balmy condor wat

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Quoting on mobile apparently works great lmao

viral meadow
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quick one how do you quote?

balmy condor
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these are sin rogue parses yes?

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on the ranking page

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as expected

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pick one

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any one of those

limber lion
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Ah that's what you mean

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Yeah the colors on the ranking page work differently than the colors fot actual parses

balmy condor
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the guy in 96th

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looks orange

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actually a 9

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grey as fuck

limber lion
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Yeah because the colors in the ranking page are universal colors for rankings

balmy condor
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I mean I get that

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but why tho

limber lion
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Top 10 parses are pink, top 100 orange, then it's blue

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Idk it just be like that

balmy condor
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yeh

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it sucks

limber lion
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It's 2 different systems in play

balmy condor
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again, I understand that

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its just stupid

limber lion
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The colors are set in stone in the rankings tab whereas the colors in parses are compared to others. I don't think it's that dumb personally

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I mean makes it harder for you to find a green/blue log if you so desired because they all appear orange

balmy condor
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I would actually prefer if they weren't colored at all

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compared to that

limber lion
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Probably just a bit lazy design

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Fuck this Peen guy, he stole my rank 1 Slugefist and Lady Inerva spots

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Blah

balmy condor
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is he still doing dogshit openers

limber lion
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And Hungering Destro

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Gonna go find out

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Fucking 223 ilvl

balmy condor
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yuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuup

stoic needle
stoic needle
viral meadow
low girder
balmy condor
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NS is just single target subterfuge

low girder
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the fuck is this

balmy condor
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from one of the highest parsing sin rogues

low girder
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ok slightly less bad

balmy condor
low girder
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but still trash

balmy condor
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he actually switches to MA now

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for single target

stoic needle
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bruh.

low girder
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someday you'll wipe ambush from all the logs outside of blindside

balmy condor
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my lifes work

limber lion
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Looking at my old parses I was being led astray by Ambush

balmy condor
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no double garrotes

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no ambush

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and this dude just dancing on my work man

viral meadow
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Does Peen come in here at all?

balmy condor
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he's on KR servers

viral meadow
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That'd do it

balmy condor
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they probably have their own rogue server or something

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but this dude just doing wowhead openers

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so I assume once mystler fixes the opening suggestion

viral meadow
balmy condor
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he might stop ambushing

stoic needle
viral meadow
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It was all I had for a bit

stoic needle
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ah ok

limber lion
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Not that it'll be a huge benefit to his dps even if he did fix his opeming

viral meadow
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but I saw a guys logs on normal who was beating me in top 10 using that build

limber lion
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By the way

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This is what Yax said about Shiv on WCL

balmy condor
low girder
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yeah something in the combat log doesn't track it

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so WCL can't do anything

balmy condor
fleet anchor
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Also Ghostly Strike debuff events don't happen either

limber lion
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Yeap rip shiv

fleet anchor
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Which is pretty RIP

low girder
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oof

fleet anchor
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Lots of odd combat logging stuff

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With Shadowlands

balmy condor
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no one uses the combat log

fleet anchor
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Also some fight mechanics that just don't get logged for whatever reason

viral meadow
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you can see it in the 'cast by source' timeline

limber lion
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I asked if they could fix it and he said that technically they could turn the apply-debuff event into a cast event but they don't feel the need to mess with it

viral meadow
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but not the 'cast by spell'

balmy condor
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but that works too

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I currently track it using that

fleet anchor
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I forget what it was, but one of the critical mechanics on Council just doesn't actually have a debuff in the combat log which is ridiculous

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They did something funky

limber lion
fleet anchor
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With the debuff logging in general

limber lion
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Yeah Blizz done fucked up something

fleet anchor
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I suspect they were trying to optimize something

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And ended up just breaking stuff instead

limber lion
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TB and GS worked fine in BFA

stoic needle
limber lion
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Probably

balmy condor
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instead of subt garrote

stoic needle
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oh i see

balmy condor
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you just NS rupture

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and that's that

fleet anchor
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You mean NS Crimson Tempest right 😄

balmy condor
stoic needle
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🤔

viral meadow
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No no no, NS Slice and dice

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for faster attack speed

stoic needle
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is NS CT bad? with MFD?

balmy condor
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its certainly worse than subt garrotes

fleet anchor
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I still only play Assassination in Torghast long runs and Crimson Tempest is like 80% of my damage done 😄

stoic needle
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is it just because CT doesn't do enough damage?

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if the pack is big enough it seems like it'd be giga

balmy condor
fleet anchor
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Yes, I confirmed that last run

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Made me kinda sad

balmy condor
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yeh same

fleet anchor
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Rogues don't get broken things

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😦

low girder
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MFD CT then garrote

fleet anchor
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I'm not wholly surprised though because NS is total scripted jank

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Generally speaking DoT snapshots right now are all kinda jank

low girder
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if you get a vigor power anyway

balmy condor
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it just sucks in cleave

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so m+ stonks

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go way down

fleet anchor
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NS should work with Bone Spike tbh

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😛

balmy condor
viral meadow
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NS+ER

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the ooft

low girder
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for the other two specs you also only really have one build for torghast too

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kinda sucks

fleet anchor
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Every time you Exsang in the fight it halves the tick rate!

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What could go wrong?

low girder
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lmfao

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wait what happens with the veins power with bone spike

balmy condor
low girder
#

or does it not work at all

fleet anchor
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Doesn't work at all afaik

low girder
#

rip

fleet anchor
#

Veins Power in general seems really super mega jank

low girder
#

better than infinite dmg i guess

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lmao

fleet anchor
#

I still can't really figure out how exactly it works

stoic needle
#

@balmy condor please explain

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this is dslice

viral meadow
#

probably sniping mobs?

fleet anchor
#

No MfD Subt variant?

viral meadow
#

dunno how MfD and target deaths work in the DSlice

stoic needle
#

oh whoops

fleet anchor
#

Does snipe in DS sims yeah

balmy condor
#

your lack of simming disgusts me

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mortal

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if you aren't maxing out on combinations every time you simulate

stoic needle
balmy condor
#

are you even doing it right

fleet anchor
#

If a sim doesn't have 1000 combinations it's not even worth running tbh

low girder
#

what if i only have the $5 tier

viral meadow
fleet anchor
#

Ion turned me into an obsessive simmer, what can I say? 🤣

balmy condor
#

@fleet anchor yo can I get a whitelist on my raidbots account to just get infinite combination limit

stoic needle
balmy condor
#

put in a good word with my boy seri

fleet anchor
#

There's always possible there are some NS optimizations hiding out there since it's gotten less attention than the others but I've tried to spend a decent amount of time working on NS even though it's not winning atm

balmy condor
#

I've tried as well

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back in beta after my MP/EP/BS stuff

fleet anchor
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Like I found quite a few during the course of BfA

loud niche
#

wish me luck not murdering my guildmates tonight as we continue to wipe over and over on xymox...

fleet anchor
#

But still never quite enough to make it win

viral meadow
balmy condor
#

I have some secret optimizations with MA talent + MA legendary

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not sharing at the moment, but I'll give a hint

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you'll need a tome

stoic needle
loud niche
#

its normals

fleet anchor
#

Some of those logs make me sad, ngl

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Playing NS and opening with raw melee swings instead of Garrote on a boss, fml 😦

stoic needle
#

shame that subterfuge is just straight up better

loud niche
#

i could see if i can push that guy further from top spot

viral meadow
loud niche
#

oof

balmy condor
#

shriekwing mythic btw

loud niche
#

oof

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sry dad

fleet anchor
#

But NS+MfD is at least kinda sensible in some way, at least you can take advantage of Rupture in the opener.. but still not sure it's quite worth atm

balmy condor
#

like he just

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he takes mfd

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but then subt

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and then EP cause I guess mfd = more finishers

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idk

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on the one hand, I'm happy we see talent diversity

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on the other hand I want to gouge my eyes out with a fork

fleet anchor
#

When a spec isn't super competitive you can just yolo and still rank, that's just how it is sometimes

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Some of these talents rows aren't really very impactful

limber lion
#

Then there's me with subterfuge + master assa :'')

fleet anchor
#

Like +/- 1% or whatever

#

Really not gonna matter tbh

balmy condor
limber lion
#

I wish I hadn't invested so hard into Sub because assa is so much more fun to play

stone epoch
#

Is there any point where EP becomes worth taking? Like at higher haste points where you have more energy coming in

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Or 10% just in general not worth?

limber lion
#

I would take it in m+ personally but not in the raid

fleet anchor
#

Could maybe get to a point where the Energy is less worth, hard to say

loud niche
#

i bet if they buff how long it goes, it would be worth

limber lion
#

I need to study Peen's sunking

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I don't know how the fuck he parses so much higher on that fight than others

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It's such an awful fight as assa

stoic needle
#

that otsdarva guy is here

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he said that that talent selection unironically simmed 'better' for him

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he linked the sim and it's like dead even

loud niche
#

cev

viral meadow
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aye bruh, 4dps is 4dps

loud niche
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listen man

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im #2 sunking

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i was SWEATING

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i dont get it

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i literally broke my fucking keyboard i just KNEW i beat that ass

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looked and saw the 2 and was so defeated

limber lion
#

Oh nevermind, looks like he's in a log group or clearing heroic with his guild as they are phasing Kael in 36 seconds kek

stoic needle
#

please teach me

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HOW do you do sunking

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i dont get it

low girder
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he's also got 6 ilvls on you

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that's enormous in the current game

limber lion
#

Yeah, killing the boss in 3 and a half minutes is huge compared to my 6 minutes as well.

low girder
#

i meant for riverfang but also yes lol

limber lion
#

If you wanna parse you pretty much need holy priests in the fight

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Ah yeah

loud niche
#

i got no PI

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and still got #2

balmy condor
#

at least when I did some ilvl scaling tests and stuff last time

stoic needle
#

is it possible to get good parses with slow kill times

low girder
#

depends

stoic needle
#

it's certainly not in classic but what about retail

viral meadow
#

I would imagine it comes down to when you got your last vendetta off

low girder
#

if you're talking 3m vs 7m no

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but like 4:30 vs 5:50 or something

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yeah totally

stoic needle
#

i get a lot of kills where vendetta comes off CD in the last 5 seconds or so SucksMan

low girder
#

it'll always be harder but is possible

viral meadow
#

4:30 fight would be optimum I'd imagine

limber lion
#

Actually around 2:25 is the best, but not sure how possible it is on Castle Nathria and the bosses over there

viral meadow
#

yeah, maybe if you crush a normal

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2:19 hungering on normal is #1

low girder
#

yeah won't be a thing in mythic, the really fast kills on shriek are around 3:30

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and a lot of that is p2

viral meadow
#

yeah

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best you could hope for is a ~4min vendetta in the execute phase

stoic needle
#

@balmy condor do you know if there's a way to track the CD of your currently equipped trinkets with a weakaura without making an individual WA for every possible trinket

balmy condor
#

yeah

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there's a trigger for trinket slots

stoic needle
#

sick

tiny sentinel
#

Sorry if this has been asked before but should zoldyk’s go on legs or feet?

balmy condor
#

legs usually

tiny sentinel
#

cool thx

stoic needle
#

If my tanks don't bring barghast close to huntsman for the parse is it worth it to lose some melee uptime to keep rupture and garotte on them by running across the room?

balmy condor
#

depends on the loss of downtime

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if you sprint, get them up, then shadowstep back, sure

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if you're just hurr durr me walk this way, me walk that way

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probably not

stoic needle
#

Yeah it's usually with sprint+ shadowstep or soulshape

balmy condor
#

yeah

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if you're quick

#

its probably fine

limber lion
#

I've been in some awful pug groups where they hold Barghast at like the opposite corner of the room and let me tell you that getting dots up on that is a major pain the ass

stoic needle
#

At least we keep huntsman in the middle so I only have to travel half of the room

limber lion
#

I would always dot it up when it spawns but if the tanks are dogshit and keep them 100 yards from one another, I wouldn't do it

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That's fine then probably

stoic needle
#

I had 99.69% garotte uptime last kill

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But if you do it correctly do you get over 100%? Lol

balmy condor
#

no

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uptime is calculated on time spent doing any damage

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so lets say you have 2 bosses up constantly, and you have bleeds on them both for the entire time

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that's 100%

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if you have 2 bosses, and 1 of them is up for the first 40% of the fight

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and the 2nd is the last 60%

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that's still 100%

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because its the total, not the individual

stoic needle
#

Gotcha

placid dawn
#

!bis

prisma monolithBOT
loud niche
#

@balmy condor why is the wowanalyzer bad for rogues?

#

ive heard that round here before

drifting cloud
#

its not updated

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its updated for like patch 8.2 or something

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dont think it was working properly with corruptions already

low girder
#

yeah for outlaw it's not supported at all, and it's just not great with the other two since it's not updated

balmy condor
#

like 60% of specs aren't supported at all

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and those that are are like

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really really hit or miss

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healers are okay I think

low girder
#

it still tells you to not vanish with FW up for sub

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which like

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no

loud niche
#

what did i do wrong here?

stoic needle
#

You didn't get fed pi

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You waited until halfway through lust to phantom fire pot

#

Also I think you missed a possible sepsis cast but it could be due to the intermission

#

Yeah you missed a sepsis

#

You have 4 dreadfire casts but 3 sepsis

limber lion
#

In all honesty you just got 2 intermission phases. If you want to parse, you can't have 2 intermissions.

balmy condor
#

^

#

that's the big thing

loud niche
#

painful

#

that was my best parse for tonight for mythic, and it just looks hideous, but idk how sweaty nolife degen i wanna go to try and get that tasty 99 parse

limber lion
#

99 is really hard. I got a rank 3 parse from it on mythic and it's a 97 🙂

#

Hard to parse high with so little population playing assa in mythic.

viral meadow
#

446 parses for sin in mythic

#

if im reading this right

limber lion
#

167 parses in Shriekwing

viral meadow
#

crikey

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ill add 1 when i get there

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on monday

limber lion
#

Eyy

viral meadow
#

I wanna chill with the mythic sin gang but my guild too slow

stoic needle
#

My guild is still 5/10h SucksMan

outer lodge
#

Anyone have an idea why on warcraft logs i have 0 allstar points for Sun King? It's been like that for weeks now?

strange python
#

Is night fae the way to go for sin?

drifting cloud
#

@outer lodge because they disabled allstars on sunking lol

#

because the correct way to parse that fight is to do it with 50% raid healers

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below mythic

outer lodge
#

Oh ok i figured, we just like 6 or 7 heal it and cheese it so that would explain it - ty.

late veldt
#

Im crafting MA, so should i go for wrist or ring, its mainly for PvP

balmy condor
#

wrist Is what most pvpers go I think

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but it shouldn't make a difference either way

late veldt
#

coolios, many thanks 😄

versed thicket
#

Is good in m+ assa?

balmy condor
#

Not better than outlaw, and only kinda better than sub sometimes maybe

#

It depends on the situation

versed thicket
#

In pvp ?

balmy condor
#

Not better than sub

#

Better than outlaw probably

gritty pawn
#

Whats assass like in raid atm?

rugged dragon
#

Its alright, its -500 dps vs my outlaw

#

Its viable, done full HC clear with it.

#

If you enjoy assass and dont care too much about dps. Definetly play it I would say

gritty pawn
#

Kewl

#

ty

prisma ledge
#

The only reason I chose necrolord is for their leather appearance 🤔

strange python
#

Appereance wise necro & reve are definately on the winning side.

#

not a fan of paladin / druid -rogues.

tawdry pulsar
#

is this a tooltip error?

#

or is it indefinite now

barren bane
#

i hate SnD on assassin

unique plume
#

I think the way ambush and s&d has been rammed into assa

#

(oops wrong choice of words)

#

If u gonna do somethibf like that bring back Cut To The Chase

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Rip old talent trees

#

We already have a spec where we maintain dots , but maintaing s&d is just so like... It's not a dot why do we have to maintain that!

stoic needle
#

SnD is fine. Assasa would be boring without SnD

normal olive
#

wat

stoic needle
#

We would literally have 4 buttons to press

#

Envenom mut garotte and rupt

#

That's boring

normal olive
#

SnD doesn't really change much with that tho

#

you press it once every like 30-40 seconds and that's it

stoic needle
#

It's another button, and it doesnt alter the flow of the spec much

normal olive
#

it's just a boring button that's my main problem with it

stoic needle
#

Sure, I can agree with you there

#

It would be cool if it had a more 'assassin' like feel/effect

normal olive
#

you stab shit faster and pool faster

#

good button

stoic needle
#

You get more poison procs, which gives you more energy and it increases your energy regeneration rate passively

#

It does it's job but it's not super exciting

#

But getting rid of it doesn't help that lol

normal olive
#

yeah that's what i meant with pool faster

#

at first i was like hell yeah snd sounds amazing i get to stab shit faster and then i had to actually use it

#

now i play enhancer to bonk shit faster

stoic needle
#

I have to say I really like the sound effect though lol

#

It's a very satisfying schwing

#

I think that later in the expansion when we have better gear SnD will feel better. When our auto attacks do more damage

bleak sedge
#

for bosses like council do i rupture all three or just focus one of the 3? Same question for denathrius do i just hit him or do i rupture the sword aswell?

plain thistle
#

two different scenarios

#

council you can dot 2 bosses (main target + 1) but the second target is just for energy

#

denath sword damage is counted, which means is a good idea to dot both

#

for damage

bleak sedge
#

alright thanks ! 😄

bleak sedge
#

is the night fae ability proc considered for subterfuge? Is the garrote empowered or should i use something else for the free stealth ability?

strange python
#

Try it on a target dummy

#

I assume it would be empowered. But, you never know with Blizzard.

plain thistle
#

you dont gain stealth

#

but if I remember correctly it will silence the target

frozen jasper
#

Kinda dumb how it does the silence but doesn’t give the dmg buff

stoic needle
#

You don't use anything special with the buff because ambush sux

pliant apex
#

do ppl still mostly see fatboss for castle nathria guides? or something else better now

stoic needle
#

Besides garotte or cheap shot obv

pliant apex
#

ive noticed fatboss speaks faster, and videos seem to whizz by now

stoic needle
#

I like mythic trap

pliant apex
stoic needle
#

I like that better

pliant apex
#

oh sorry, didnt know thats what you meant. checking it now ty

#

dam it seems awesome, so well made

stoic needle
#

Right? So professional

balmy condor
tawdry pulsar
#

ty

#

I never knew getting to 60 was this bad

balmy condor
#

Wdym

tawdry pulsar
#

correction* I meant getting to choose my covenant

#

I'm like only halfway through maldraxxus and i'm almost lvl 59

balmy condor
#

Oh jeez

#

Thread?

#

Or normal?

tawdry pulsar
#

normal

#

this is my first 60

balmy condor
#

Damn

#

That’s way faster than I remember

tawdry pulsar
#

i've done all the side quests too, but damn I'm nowhere near being able to choose my covenant lol

balmy condor
#

Ah that’ll do it

#

Don’t need side quests to level

#

Covenant comes from end of the campaign I think

tawdry pulsar
#

I get side tracked, pardon the pun

#

Yeah

#

You need to finish all 4 zones main storylines before being able to choose the covenant

balmy condor
#

Yup

tawdry pulsar
#

I still have 2 zones to go T_T

balmy condor
#

Cause it gives you the abilities to try for yourself yup

tawdry pulsar
#

Yeah I've also noticed I'm heavily outlevelled for maldraxxus

#

getting only 3k xp per quest now

balmy condor
#

Yeah that’ll happen when you do side quests xD

gusty mirage
#

I learned that the hard way, I’m a bit of a completionist so I tried doing every side quest my first time through. Ended up at like halfway through 55 in maldraxxus and just stopped dooinf any side quests lol

spice pebble
#

the NF ability proc honestly feels underwhelming. The only thing I would consider using it for is Ambush, and it seems like Mutilate is still better for combo points

balmy condor
#

Can use it on a cheap shot in m+

devout temple
#

all the rogue covenents feel underwhelming, not just NF

#

after trying other classes

royal lantern
#

every single rogue covenant ability is "you do a hit and then something really small happens"

#

they all suck equal

spice pebble
#

Yea i just like the NF one cuz it goes with Shiv

#

also NF best covenant anyway

stoic needle
#

Doesn't sepsis hit as hard as ER did prenerf now kekw

#

Like 10k+ if you include the 2nd hit

cold rampart
#

shaded or oil better in single target?

balmy condor
cold rampart
#

i dont understand

balmy condor
#

You take your simc

#

You put it in an advanced sim in Raidbots

#

You take the pastebin

#

You copy paste that underneath the simc

#

And then you sim like your normally would

#

And it’ll spit out what combination is best

tawdry pulsar
#

Wait you can't use oil and sharpening stone?

#

That's news to me lol I bought 500 of each

toxic tusk
#

You can use oils

tawdry pulsar
#

I mean together

balmy condor
#

Yes you can

#

One on each hand

#

Did you buy the blunt weapon ones instead of the sharpened ones

balmy condor
#

Single target is the important part for most groups honestly

#

There’s enough random cleave to just blow up everything aoe

#

Sub goes weaponmaster/mos because it’s just single target

#

I would go subterfuge/ep maybe but wouldn’t go CT

#

Mfd could be good as well if you trust yourself for resets

fleet whale
#

Elaborate planning and Crimson Tempest

balmy condor
unborn flint
#

eh pretty meme build

#

not op

#

also even with good gear no way ur doing 10k fans on people who have any decent amount of vers

balmy condor
#

You run into a group, do maybe a quarter to a third of their health

#

And then get nuked

#

That’s uh

#

Not good

stoic needle
#

bam

edgy abyss
#

I'm returning to the spec, I would like to know where I can see good tutorials with the current meta

fleet whale
#

!guide

prisma monolithBOT
fleet whale
#

those are some guides for you for current assassination

#

though i will admit, the words "meta" and "assassination" don't really go together atm

edgy abyss
#

yea, ikr

#

i'm using crimson tempest for m+ but i don't see to get even closer to other classes

fleet whale
#

it depends on pull sizes. I've just been running PB for everything and i'm usually at least top 2 in dungeons

stoic needle
#

ct feels good this week on fortified

honest silo
#

Yea, been having some success with elaborate planning and crimson tempest this week

balmy condor
#

Definitely EP in dungeons

#

Just as a baseline

misty holly
balmy condor
lyric badger
#

Hey just had a question is memory of the dashing scoundrel any good to use?

fleet whale
#

ehhh... it wouldn't be my first leggo to make

lyric badger
#

hmm alright. Do you know whats best for assassin? I really prefer playing it over sub even if its the go to right now

fleet whale
#

zoldyck is overall sin's best leggo

balmy condor
#

You go zoldyck rank 4

#

And then you do whatever

lyric badger
#

ah its from torghast lol

#

never done torghast on my rogue is it hard?

#

Only done it with pet classes

fleet whale
#

i don't think it is

lyric badger
#

im only 182 atm lol

#

yeah guess i will have to try it out then

balmy condor
#

Might be undergeared a little

#

So that won’t help

#

But should be okay

lyric badger
#

its easier with 2 people?

balmy condor
#

yeah usually

#

the easiest I've found is just 5 man dungeon running it

#

but if you have a tank or healer friend, should be a stroll

lyric badger
#

cool thanks

primal zinc
#

!bis

prisma monolithBOT
spice pebble
#

Any PvPers? Is Sin viable in arena?

viral meadow
spice pebble
#

1800-2000

#

disc priest/ rogue

#

that may be ambitious. 1400-1800 lol

viral meadow
#

Give it a crack peeposhrug

#

You don't have the burst that sub has

#

but heaps of pressure

#

Found more success in 3s

spice pebble
#

does sub have more cc?

viral meadow
#

Yeah

#

better access to cheap shot

#

Shadowy Duel

spice pebble
#

mhm

strange python
#

guis who covenant is great for asasin rogue for pvp ?

spice pebble
#

not NF

viral meadow
#

Kyrian still probs the best for PvP

spice pebble
#

I think kyrian

strange python
#

thank you

viral meadow
#

Not a huge difference

#

You can honestly pick whatever and still be competitive

pliant apex
#

is it fair for ppl to expect you to aoe as sin

#

had my gm, guildie call out , you need to work on your aoe, aoe on adds on den , im like srlsy..

viral meadow
#

like cleave? or m+ aoe

pliant apex
#

latter

#

cleave i get, put up a rupture/garrote on one guy

viral meadow
#

but specifically on denath he mentioned it?

pliant apex
#

or two guys

#

adds during p1

#

after cone

viral meadow
#

lmao

#

take crimson tempest if he's being prickly about it

pliant apex
#

wtf am i supposed to do

viral meadow
#

not much

#

fan of knives

pliant apex
#

fuck that, im not playing something im not comfortable with for some noob ass AM guild

#

id just play sub if i wana play acc to what people what

#

want^

viral meadow
#

you in a HC prog guild?

pliant apex
#

yea

viral meadow
#

on mythic?

pliant apex
#

heroic, we only 3/10h

balmy condor
#

oh jesus

#

you shouldn't worry about p1 adds at all

#

they just explode

topaz saffron
#

Honestly just FoK

pliant apex
#

thats the prob with some lower level guilds, officers/rl dont really know much

#

CE guilds are toxic sure but they know their shit

viral meadow
#

Sin is pretty good at P2 onwards

#

I mean it's no outlaw

pliant apex
#

yea, i have purple logs on sire on normal

viral meadow
#

but unless you're the weakest link in the guild

#

Just play sin until he threatens to boot you

pliant apex
#

oh hell no, im no 3 dps

#

i will. i told him man youre criticizing me, after the performance and purple log, he kind of retracted

topaz saffron
#

Me @ the guys under my sin dps on details 😬

spice pebble
#

I'm liking CT more and more just in general

ember reef
#

ive been doing Kyrian both PVE and PVP and been doing fine

frail fossil
tawny vigil
#

its always the heroic prog guilds acting hard

frail fossil
#

yeah lmfao

#

like 5/10 hc guild saying LF BOOMKINS, WW AND FIRE MAGE

royal lantern
#

5/10 hc guilds are the most toxic shit in this game

#

like, rank 500-1000 mythic guilds are the most chill raidgroups you can get

#

people that actually can play the game, but you can still play w/e you want without big preassure

frail fossil
#

yeah

#

idk what's our ranking atm but we're like a chill mythic prog grp

#

and like it's just good vibes

#

RL literally playing demolock, we had a guy play survival hunter

#

no one had issue with it

strange python
#

Left a guild recently, same story, trying to program and get that optimal setup where sin wasn't part of it. They were all fine and friendly me healing the last 2 contents, but God forbid I pick up dps :p

#

Err Prog.

stoic needle
#

beat a sub rogue 4 ilvls higher than me on H inerva Sinscheme

fallow solar
#

Doesn't matter really what level a guilds at, everyone just copys high-end guilds

balmy condor
#

that's just not true lul

stoic needle
#

People don't understand the context of why high end guilds do what they do

#

They stack OP/bis classes because they're racing for world first. If you aren't you could clear with pretty much any janky comp as long as people do the mechanics

fallow solar
#

It's just how it is ppl going to follow the best no matter how shit they are, happens in every game

#

Even tho it doesn't make sense

light kestrel
#

.... has it gone full circle? I was called a FOTM reroller for playing assassination

balmy condor
#

what

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in this patch?

light kestrel
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yup

balmy condor
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yeah

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fotm reroller

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to the bottom of the meters

light kestrel
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Re rolled right into a wheelchair, feelsgood

native turtle
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I want to meet the person who called someone playing assassination "fotm"

stoic needle
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rerolling to int your raid

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amazing

pliant sorrel
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if u were fotm reroller

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wouldn tu have been mage last patch

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hmmmm

loud niche
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xymox isnt a hard fight

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so why the fuck can my guild not do it?