Is there ever a case for using the MA talent over subterfuge?
#assassination
stoic needle
south drum
I'll take your word for it beside only doing sin in torghast anyways
stoic needle
Lol NVM
balmy condor
Is there ever a case for using the MA talent over subterfuge?
Min-max single target
spice spire
Shrouded suffocation in time walking felt great 
main forge
yeah I vendored all my gear... sad that I did
also didn't spend my last titan residuum either probably could have gotten that nice echoing blades gear too
spice spire
You can do item recovery, I ended up doing that for it. Turns out it was a huge boost
main forge
maybe for the firelands raid....
the trinkets there look just as OP
although Ulduar being like a million bosses and firelands being only 7... is funny.... Firelands has to be the shortest full raid tier in number of bosses
spice spire
Time walking dropped a shit ton of loot though. So even with just 7, it’ll be nice. I’m excited for ragnaros again
main forge
Yeah but need for 200 level gear is dwindling and will be gone by then
safe nacelle
Anyone else hoarding soul ash in the unlikely event Assassination gets the buff it deserves?
vestal wren
you could fairly fast craft a rank 1-2 if that happens
but we haven't seen any balance changes at all
there is a chance we won't see them fairly soon
safe nacelle
Just been using 190 Master Assassin on sub and getting by.
signal kayak
is council this weeks raidfinder?
sick kestrel
Hi guys, would you say aplpying your rupture or slice n dice is higher up on the priority?
im new, but when i open i usually try to get my slice n dice up first before i apply rupture. Not sure if that's right
balmy condor
Slice
cosmic trail
Does anyone pvp as sin?
robust pine
well... i did a little, but not sure i can give any advice
most of my experience as sin on arena is hearing from teammates "So you gonna switch to sub to oneshot enemies or what?"
robust pine
no
well, not yet
i am not sure my friends will take me if i keep going sin
we played 2x2 and 3x3 for two days and never meet sin or outlaw rogue
cosmic trail
cuz everybody expects everyone to play meta
stoic needle
Nothing wrong with sin in pvp
It's probably going to end up being better than sub in the long term especially if it gets some buffs, it can burst just as hard(but not as often) but has way better consistent pressure
The whole 420 no scope one shot meta will be dead once people get a healthy amount of vers
strange python
in 2s is inferior to ww and war in term of pressure
same for 3s
there's no reason to take a sin over a war or ww
stoic needle
Well obviously, but nobody is comparing rogue to the obviously imbalanced pvp classes
This is about comparing rogue specs to eachother for pvp
strange python
the problem is that when I take sin to 1.8 that's all I'm facing in 2s
stoic needle
You playing any other spec isn't going to change that
strange python
ww, war, ww, war, and rarely a rogue/mage
stoic needle
If that's what you're worried about just reroll
strange python
Nothing wrong with sin in pvp
there's a lot wrong if you consider current meta
stoic needle
It's a rogue problem not a sin problem
strange python
what are you talking about RMP is a S tier comp
and I'm pretty sure the R stands for something
stoic needle
So then why are you complaining about warrior and ww
strange python
because you are talking about sin
not rogue in general
and sin is pressure based
unlike sub
stoic needle
I'd agree that sin isn't quite meta just yet but like I said I don't expect it to stay that way
strange python
I'm at 208 and envenom hits way too low for what's necessary
so unless they buff either envenom damage or overall damage I'm not seeing changes soon
balmy condor
Idk, nightstalker MA envenoms kinda pumping
prime monolith
is assa still bad?
balmy condor
Vanish defensively is for when you survive
balmy condor
is assa still bad?
Yes
strange python
... yea well - not in 2s
prime monolith
well
balmy condor
Not in anything tbh
strange python
The meta atm is literally blow someone up, or you get blown up
not in 2s
most comps are healer dps
strange python
I mean above a certain cr
you trade cds
using a sub-par kit
trying to capitalize on mistakes
oblique kiln
sry dumb question does sin always run wound and numbing poison for most pve situations raids/dungs?
strange python
sry dumb question does sin always run wound and numbing poison for most pve situ...
for necrotic you might want to use crippling to help the tank kite and reset necrotic stacks
sour citrus
guys memory of past sins @ 187 or waistcord of dark devotion @210?
balmy condor
Sim it
sour citrus
did
balmy condor
And?
sour citrus
telling me to go with waistcord, but I feel that the trinket is better
balmy condor
It is 187 tho
sour citrus
too low level?
sour citrus
lol, ok, 210 it is then
fervent kettle
this id ( im eu so reset tomorrow ) is there any important leg in torgast to get ?
stuck tartan
akaari's sub and doomblade
so if u want single target on sub, then go ahead, doomblade doesnt see much play
spice spire
Doom blade is fairly decent ST and decent PvP iirc
wide ridge
PSA for those that are night fae and are going for renown 21 this week: When asked to go to maw to rescue 10 souls, don't cap the jailer eye, cause in the end of the quest chain you'll be asked to go there and.. if you have the eye capped for the day, you'll have to wait for tomorrow
sour citrus
too late...capped
stuck tartan
good thing I hate the maw and I'm just doing the 10 souls
main forge
I got to 4/5 eye of the jailer before leaving
not being able to do weeklies/dailies and kill a couple of rares at this point is lame as shit.
but TY skaeld
I mean remove the rep and stygia gains but at least allow us to help a friend or two
stoic needle
ok so do both lvl 3 just in case
I wouldn't craft akkaris personally
cosmic trail
How do you guys deal with the high energy usage sin has?
stuck tartan
crying
stuck tartan
and turning off error sounds
cosmic trail
stoic needle
In all seriousness your only hope is to rupture/garotte as many things as you can
For venomous wounds
stuck tartan
or do torghast
stoic needle
God
stuck tartan
so u have like 50% haste
stoic needle
Torghast is so troll
stoic needle
It lets you see what sin would be like if they actually gave us a buff
So messed up
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main forge
Is anyone else disappointed in Rogue Anima powers when compared to other classes? Maybe just cause I am night fae but other classes seem broken.... I have yet to feel that...
sonic wind
Why assa is sooo bad?
stuck tartan
small numbers
drifting cloud
for raid yes, for mythic plus probably not
strange python
what needs to be changed for m+ in your opinion?
low girder
actual borrowed power support for aoe
strange python
makes sense, the only cov ability i can think of that can be considered aoe is necro for multi-dotting
stoic needle
Is anyone else disappointed in Rogue Anima powers when compared to other classes...
Yes, they are trash
fleet whale
by layer 18 in twisting corridors
i was a god
700k envenom crits
82% crit chance
stoic needle
Give me vein rippers, red ink as talents or baseline and another 7% and I'd be happy
Maybe tweak the numbers on red ink and rippers
Hell they could just take a smaller portion of vein rippers effect and put it into PB or CT
stuck tartan
red ink as sin baseline would be great
fleet whale
i mean you might as well just buff poisons and bleeds by 30% if you make red ink baseline lol
cause that's what it is
stuck tartan
yeah, but it gives more to the fantasy I think
cause with sub having both rupture and instant poison
there isnt much of a difference again
robust pine
Rogue powers seems fine to me when i go solo. I even sometimes go torghast when already got all of the soul ash, just because it's fun. There are broken stuff like infinite evasion, but yeah, nothing to oneshot bosses.
When i went together with my mage friend, it was really no fun... but i had opportunity to try instant damage from bleeds after vanish ability! It's completely useless piece of shit just like i thought!
stuck tartan
I tried once
Never more
Its so fucking shit that anima power lol just for like... 3% agility for mob
sonic wind
Rogue powers is pretty OP for sub with MA
marble hemlock
but i had opportunity to try instant damage from bleeds after vanish ability! It's completely useless piece of shit just like i thought! thats just not true though :p
seems pretty good to me :>
balmy condor
Yeah vein rippers is insane
marble hemlock
at floor18 its gonna be ridiculous
when you have first steps with nightstalker ruptures+subterfuge garrotes
garrotes that deal 450% bonusdmg or smth from chain link 
stoic needle
i mean you might as well just buff poisons and bleeds by 30% if you make red ink...
I say that you could make it have a conditional, like you need to have both a poison and bleed on or 2 bleeds and a poison before it activates or something like that instead of being a straight up 30%
And obviously 30% might be too high, could use tuning
Or maybe have it activate after hitting them with a mutilate with the conditions satisfied
Lots of ways to make it interactive
marble hemlock
if theres one thing assa doesnt need more of, then its conditional or permanent damage percentage bonuses
it already has one of the highest dmg auras to boost its damage
robust pine
Well if you have empowered cp generator and empowered finisher powers, than i guess it can be used. But I never got combination like this. Probably it will happen in corridors tomorrow.
Today i actually got into situation where i accidently pulled pack and would certainly have died if fought until the end. So I put bleeds and poison on enemies, pushed vanish and... no one died, they received damage and then restored back to 100%
marble hemlock
well yeah, in solo its only useful if you can actually kill your targets with it in one vanish
but when running MA legendary it has 100% crit, and between subterfuge garrotes and crimson tempest, even without any empowerments, youre already looking at 30-50k burst
stoic needle
it already has one of the highest dmg auras to boost its damage
How would you fix sin without more aura buffs?
I don't like the current damage profile of sin at all with the heavy emphasis on melee. How would you fix that without an aura change
And currently sin lacks the interesting ability synergies that other rogue specs and other dps specs in shadowlands have
marble hemlock
add back the nature dmg proc on venomous wounds, for a slight st gain and bigger aoe gain. make fok generate extra CP same as shuriken storm
without the need to crit on them
make CT baseline, put exsanguinate into that spot instead, make it vein rippers. bring back Kingsbane to replace exsanguinate in that tier
stuff like that, thats a dps gain thats bigger on aoe than st, while also adding to the overall idea of bleeds being what makes you deal aoe dmg, with poisons emphasis on single-target
could also bring back scent of blood/echoing blades, making you proc an echo on each target you hit with fok that has rupture on them
stoic needle
Ok yeah I like all of those
Especially making fok and shuriken storm more equal
It's a crime how bad fok is
stone pilot
Blizz hire this man
That’s a great rework for mut
But what about kingsbane in the last tier in place of ct and veinripper in the alac tier
warm edge
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dense cedar
Will Mikanikos at max rank be better than Pelagos for Sin?
balmy condor
no
main forge
You know I have heard people complain about the AoE rotation for Sin ... and its not great but neither is the rotation for outlaw or sub imo
I actually prefer sin... I like building up those ruptions to FoK my cares away
drifting cosmos
I think ppl complained the aoe dmg of sin
pure heron
what leggo is best for assass pvp, i kinda wanna give it a go.
balmy condor
MA
pure heron
awesome cheers
cosmic trail
Whats the BiS legendary for sin?
balmy condor
zoldyck
cosmic trail
Is that the best all around for ST and AoE?
balmy condor
yes
cosmic trail
What about pvp (idk if you do pvp on sin or not)
balmy condor
literally the question above you
cosmic trail
Oh I didnt see that mb lol
vagrant tapir
lel
cosmic trail
So I have enough soul ash for a rank 2 legendary since I do both pvp and pve should I just make rank 1s of Master assassin and zold
balmy condor
ye
cosmic trail
So for AoE do I legit have to put dots on every mob in the pack or how do yall deal with AoE? Im currently playing outlaw and wanting to swap to sin
fallow otter
I do not recommend
balmy condor
yeah there's actually 0 reason to swap off of outlaw
cosmic trail
cuz outlaw is bad in pvp supposedly and I dont wanna play sub
fallow otter
You can pvp as outlaw
fleet whale
there is one reason to swap off of outlaw in favor of sin....
that reason is Torghast
cosmic trail
stoic needle
I actually prefer sin... I like building up those ruptions to FoK my cares away
The problem is that we have no energy regen and don't do much damage while they do and
finite barn
that reason is Torghast
Is sin really good in Torghast? I do Torghast as outlaw every week and it’s fine; I have gear and the nerfs made it trivial, but If I’d clap as another spec I’d swap for it.
fleet whale
it has really good synergy with some of the powers
it also has good self healing in the form of leaching poison.
with all the powers you get buffing up and all the enemies you are dotting up, you get a good return in self heals
vendetta is also good for elites/bosses
finite barn
Yeah, vendetta is great when I get Jack of all trades. Lol
fallow otter
Celerity procs jack of all trades
stoic needle
What
So if I have celerity should I use it in Torghast as any spec with Jack of all trades? 
Do you get full duration or just 3s of the other buffs
I hope there's a torghast anima power that lets you equip multiple legendaries one day
Seems like all of the coolest legendaries aren't in the anima power pool
finite barn
You get full duration. Most of the time you don’t get vendetta though because you are going from one pack to another. But full 15s of Shadow Blades from the Celerity proc.
stoic needle
celerity should be spec neutral again 
tacit night
How close to your simmed dps do you consider pretty good?
balmy condor
should be able to hit your simdps on a dummy if you turn off buffs obviously
tacit night
I'm at about 75% of my sim dps in a boss fight, so probably need some work to do
fallow otter
Depends on the fight
dense cedar
its very good to do dmg
tacit night
but I want to do all the damage
spice spire
You’re definitely playing the wrong spec then lol
tacit night
I know, I'm hanging on for hope
dense cedar
u can ust play something else in the meantime
stoic needle
yeah uh
im using celerity in torg rn
it doesnt do shit
as sin
i get the ar proc but no buff and no shadow blades
icy crater
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balmy condor
i get the ar proc but no buff and no shadow blades
did you get jack of all trades?
stoic needle
Not yet but i thought you'd at least get AR right?
dense cedar
lol
stoic needle
yeah yeah i realized that part after i wrote it
i didn't realize that jack was required for both AR and blades
fallow otter
boreal vortex
hey watched some old pika clips, can you still do the 20k envenoms in arena ?
balmy condor
Kinda
It got slightly nerfed
But it works okay-ish
It’s just worse sub rogue mostly
boreal vortex
but the 20k envenom is kinda worse now because 1 month ago everyone had 23-25k hp now everyone has 33-35k xd
balmy condor
Ye
tacit night
Well made it to 80% of my sim dps on a dummy, so gotta figure out what I need to tune up
balmy condor
Quick sim, and compare the damage breakdowns
tacit night
Yeah that's what I'm working on now; biggest thing I see is my deadly poison is 12% when it should be 20%
balmy condor
That’s very weird
tacit night
Unless I'm reading it wrong; there's a second line for deadly "(dot)" further down that's 6%, so I could add them to be 18%?
tacit night
makes sense
balmy condor
One for the re-application
And one for the dot itself
Raidbots adds them together
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tacit night
Nothing else is really jumping out at me, hmm
balmy condor
I’m not on my pc atm, send me a couple screenshots of the breakdowns
fervent kettle
man got lucky and a piece that needed upgrade from 151 to 200 in vault.. sadly no weapon but today pvp only i guess and buy 2x 200 there
cosmic trail
Whats the recommended spot for master assassin for pvp
balmy condor
Bracers
But the difference is very minimal
If you have bad rings, it would be better on a ring
cosmic trail
hmm okay
old snow
you can have only one haste vers ring, but bracers have main stat so both have their advantages
cosmic trail
So its best to put it on the ring? @old snow
old snow
ive seen more people say bracers for main stat, but as was said, difference is verry minimal specially for pvp
legendary slot doesnt really make a difference between 1400 and 2100, its about how well you play
cosmic trail
I wont be doing rated just yet since i'll be new to sin spec
so im gonna mess around in Bgs for the next few days
old snow
ye makes sense, just saying in general, tbh you can put it in the slot you persoanlly prefer doesnt make that much diff, but ive seen more people say bracers
cosmic trail
for my pvp side of gear should I be using full sinful set? or does some dungeon/mythic+ stuff work better in some slots?
lean crescent
Is MA or doom blade better for ass pvp?
cosmic trail
Question on wowhead they recommended a weapon from a dungoen for pvp since it gives haste versa.... By any chance should I get 2 of the same weapons or just 1 and put somethign else on offhand?
old snow
for my pvp side of gear should I be using full sinful set? or does some dungeon/...
not quite sure about that, but once more my answer would be its kinda w/e
if you can get 2 of the same weapon would be better id say, but im personally going with conq weapons, a little bit of crit wont harm you
and its def MA id say
cosmic trail
Reason I asked is I have a rank 2 haste versa weapon from my outlaw (not sure if it can be used in offhand or not
outer lodge
assass needs 2 daggers
cosmic trail
oh okay
Well I'll either have to buy a honor dagger or just farm mist multiple times for 2
old snow
for sub you can have non dagger oh, but assa needs both daggers for muti
stoic needle
Has anyone here crafted dashing scoundrel and can comment on whether it makes sin feel any better in single target with the extra energy and crit?
cosmic trail
Tag me with an answer as well regarding ^
Im rushing 175 ilvl just so I can lfr and get it
outer lodge
No legendary at this point is going to make Assa feel any better atm
stoic needle
Yeah but energy is energy
I'll take any small gain I can get if it gets me an extra finisher over the course of a fight or something
Maybe as a 2nd legendary
When they let us wear 2
outer lodge
I haven't tested it, not sure if you will feel a noticeable difference using Dashing, but maybe
old snow
ye but its not enaugh energy to really change how it "feels", you shoulkd have low crit anyway, and you do get 15% crit on envenoms, considering you get poison proc lets say every second thats like 1 energy every 6 seconds
and if your muti costs 50 energy you do the math
stoic needle
But what if you don't have low crit
stoic needle
There's many ways to get crit without just gear especially with certain trinkets
cosmic trail
welp I cant get zoldyck bc its not the week for coldheart
old snow
neither of top trinkets for assa gives crint, if im not mistaken
i have zoldyck and i sim better with ma
and also im pretty sure i do more dam with ma
also expected zoldyck to be better, thats why i crafted it
outer lodge
Zoldyck is a nice all around
its nice in ST, its nice in cleave and multi target where some of the other ST legendaries like Doomblade and Dashing fall off a bit
cosmic trail
Since I cant get to zoldyck yet would dashing be fine to use till then?
old snow
even in single target, i have zoldyck, master assassin and doomblade and i sym best and do most dmg with master assassin
outer lodge
Thats up to you Weefii, Dashing is technically the highest parsing legendary we have for Single Target the last time i checked
old snow
and considering ma is also best for pvp, i just stick with that, i think you can never go wrong with it
outer lodge
MA is def BiS for Sub pvp
old snow
only one i havent tested yet is dashing, il.l test it this week
stoic needle
I have zoldyck but I don't really notice the effect
Gonna rank it up to 3 this week probably
outer lodge
just keep simming and that should help you out alot
stoic needle
Does envenom count as a poison to be boosted by zoldyck?
outer lodge
I don't think Envenom counts as poison - irc its nature dmg
outer lodge
sure would be
stoic needle
Wow blizzard... With one little change you could give sin a nice boost
Make it have reduced effect in pvp if they don't want the one shot combos to come back or whatever
stoic needle
Has anyone experimented with 2cp envenoms in aoe during the execute phase for more poison procs / execute bonus? Perhaps with master poisoner instead of blindside?
Since ambush is so bad and all
old snow
even then i dont see a scenario where ma would be better then elaborate
south drum
Since I cant get to zoldyck yet would dashing be fine to use till then?
Rumor has it that twisting corridors can drop the memories from Torghast that you are missing so if your desperate you can try to farm for it
tardy steppe
will assa feel better the more gear we get?
i mean ofc it will feel better but will it like improve comparing to others
stoic needle
No
fervent kettle
Scaling doesnt exisz
tardy steppe
so its just downright thrash
stoic needle
Maybe with borrowed power systems but not with raw stats
stoic needle
tardy steppe
so WW will not fall off without nerfs?
south drum
Yup until the spec gets fixed
fervent kettle
You will maybe see 1% diff but nothing that will change anything..
stoic needle
Has anyone experimented with 2cp envenoms in aoe during the execute phase for mo...
Maybe a bit more realistically... In aoe situations try to target swap to dying targets so you take advantage of each execute phase?
You could use a ttk weakaura to match the envenom duration to the execute phase
I'll have to sim that
fervent kettle
DS?
cosmic trail
scoundrel
fervent kettle
@stoic needle i mean you always have to look if its worth for the whole picture to swap targets.. like if other ppl can use the extra add or whatever to generate more ressources you too btw with having dots on it? and then you focus it and kill it faster instead of main target
cosmic trail
all the groups that are on lfr is them damn sellers
and the ones that are normal people arent accepting me
fervent kettle
what gs?
a friend of mine that does not raid at all for example looked at wow progress and bought the specific boss in normal off a guild for 100k..
takes 1h to farm 100k so whatever 😄
stoic needle
That's a good point but how many adds can we really sustain dots on that we get bonus energy from? I struggle to keep up rupture and garotte on all of the denathrius p2 adds with all of the mechanics in the picture. I can't help but thinking that guaranteeing some execute damage is going to be more damage in the long run than keeping up dots but maybe I'm wrong
cosmic trail
How does doomblade do in pve? for low m+ keys
fervent kettle
@stoic needle well since ive only cleared it as hunter idk yet myself 😛
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stoic needle
How does doomblade do in pve? for low m+ keys
Pretty meh in aoe, go for MA if you want to stomp low keys
fervent kettle
so how do i get rid of the sub tag? clicking it again doesnt work
daring pecan
traitor 
fervent kettle
assa is life ^.^
outer lodge
Sims show me EP + Sub is more than 230dps increase over blindside/ma - Anyone else simming EP+Subterfuge being BiS atm?
real bay
are you simming blindside sub
outer lodge
yeah
cosmic trail
What's the best slot for scoundrel to go in?
random fossil
is twisting corridors 8 doable as sin?
strange python
so how do i get rid of the sub tag? clicking it again doesnt work
!subtlety in #bot-spam if you're serious
cunning vector
quasi ledge
More gear etc means people are living longer or through memey "one shots", hence Assass damage and pressure can actually get going. It's still dog shit, especially against Paladins and Hunters
robust pine
what piece put MA on?
past bramble
Ring
loud niche
Assassination good when?
I want out of sub please. I prefer sin but its like best player in pve is parsing the same rate as a green parser of sub... blizzard help
past bramble
Just go Outlaw meanwhile
fervent kettle
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thx a ton mate
sick kestrel
hey guys, am loving assasination. am fairly new however so am just wondering, do you use vendetta on pull? or wait until youve already opened as i see it regens energy
stuck tartan
I use it after the first rupture
garrote, mutilate, snd, mutilate till 4 or 5 combo points, then rupture and vendetta
spice spire
I oddly use it before the rupture, due to being venthyr. Though I guess a better window would be after the venthyr haste procs 🤔
low shadow
So I'm assuming even with higher ilvl's sin isn't quite where it needs to be yet?
spice spire
Correct
low shadow
fervent kettle
can someone help me to make a pandemic timer on my SND WA?
strange python
anyone else getting higher ST dps with main (vs lethal poisons)?
red light
does necro bonespike bleed increase envenoms damage when using doomblade lege? do those two combo or no?
sonic wind
Tried Assa in Torghast recently, just nowhere near from sub in DPS, holy it's so broken and bad
jovial verge
stuck tartan
sin on torghast is good tbh
spice spire
does necro bonespike bleed increase envenoms damage when using doomblade lege? d...
They do not
gleaming eagle
spice spire
anyone else getting higher ST dps with main (vs lethal poisons)?
Is there an ilvl difference on the conduits? There are multiple factors that go into this and when in doubt, sims should tell
strange python
Is there an ilvl difference on the conduits? There are multiple factors that go ...
same ilvl conduits - i'm at 208 ilvl with 22% haste
seems like lethal poisons is better if you have lower haste
also I'm getting interesting ST returns with maim + doomblade
spice spire
It does seem to be that way, oddly, how much mastery do you have? That also may affect it. Are you running doomblade as a legendary? That would explain it
strange python
It does seem to be that way, oddly, how much mastery do you have? That also may ...
well doomblade is my ST choice, MA is my m+ option
interesting
spice spire
Yes, Poisons works extremely well since Zoldyck’s is considered the go-to.
Since you’re using Doomblade, that explains the difference a bit. But it should still be close
robust pine
how do you open with MA as sin? In PVP and in M+?
strange python
PVP 1v1: gar > amb > cheap > rup > echo (if they don't trinket at this point use vendettar) > mut > kidney > shiv > mut > envenom
feel free to vanish after that last envenom (you remove any counterplay and all your dots will crit because MA will be active again
robust pine
what's echo?... is it some covenant thing i am too necrolord to understand?
strange python
you can replace with mut but you might need to use vendetta 1 gcd earlier
due to energy
robust pine
ok, thanks, i will try it
spice spire
what's echo?... is it some covenant thing i am too necrolord to understand?
Echoing reprimand - the kyrian covenant ability
lost sentinel
is sin any good in torghast?
spice spire
Sin’s great in torghast, you have to build differently, but like all rogue specs, gotta survive.
lost sentinel
good anima powers?
lament dove
how is assa good in Torghast? I mean you do less dmg and leech is based on that... while with sub you just blow things up while healing to full...
lost sentinel
just thinking on how to make twisting corridor runs more interesting heh
spice spire
Fair cleave, leeching and master poisoner helps keep you topped. I’ve not had luck, but I’m bad. Many in here swap to sin from sub for torghast
floral cradle
let's be real, the only measure of what's "good" in torghast is ST burst damage, because if you don't kill the final boss fast you're going to eventually get overwhelmed
unless you're doing some weird smoke bomb kite thing
robust pine
you can cheese any boss by spamming crimson vial without cooldown with 5 seconds of evasion and cloak of shadow
EVENTUALLY boss will die
balmy condor
Sin bursts bosses insanely hard
With vein ripper
I don’t think sub does more damage
stuck tartan
how do u use vein ripper correctly
balmy condor
You get everything up and then vanish
lost sentinel
vein ripper an anima power?
balmy condor
Yes
lament dove
and you pray that boss doesn't reset?
balmy condor
Just vanish into a cast
If you vanish and don’t cast something, then ye it’ll reset
lament dove
I had mobs reset a lot of times like that
stuck tartan
so get up garrote rupture vanish garrote
balmy condor
Then you need to cast faster 
You can consistently have mobs stay in combat with you
Macro mutilate into vanish or something
And you’ll see
lost sentinel
this could make me want to switch to sin for other content lol
balmy condor
That things never reset if you do it
sick kestrel
hey guys, new to sin, what do you think of exsanguinate?
robust pine
wait... what cast?
balmy condor
hey guys, new to sin, what do you think of exsanguinate?
Worst talent in that row
robust pine
only rogue cast i can think of is poison applying...
balmy condor
only rogue cast i can think of is poison applying...
Instant abilities are still casts
stuck tartan
instant cast are still casts
balmy condor
so like make a macros to use vanish and muti at the same time?
I wouldn’t suggest it personally, because you don’t want to mut from stealth a lot of the time
spice spire
Do you need to redo your opener? 
balmy condor
But if you don’t believe me that you can vanish mid fight and not reset the boss
Then macro it
And try it yourself
stuck tartan
should i open with snd with vein ripper, or just garrote 5 cp rupture
to get more of that subterfuge garrote
floral cradle
i think you get like a 1 second grace period with vanish
robust pine
I wouldn’t suggest it personally, because you don’t want to mut from stealth a l...
Well, i mean it will be separate macros just for torghast with this power, i wouldn't use it normally
floral cradle
i play with a consistent 130 ping and unless i have some bizarre lag spike, i never get a reset on vanish
robust pine
But if you don’t believe me that you can vanish mid fight and not reset the boss
i believe you, i sometimes fucked up with my vanish like this accidently, but i don't know how to do it reliably
floral cradle
well it's enough time that i don't need a macro to do it, just vanish then immediately hit the next key, and it works
balmy condor
i believe you, i sometimes fucked up with my vanish like this accidently, but i ...
To do it reliably, you have to vanish into some cast, very quickly
floral cradle
even with my bad ping
balmy condor
That’s all there is
stuck tartan
sometimes on sub i try to shadowstrike too fast after shadow dance so i just use a backstab
so I think I'll have no problem with that
stuck tartan
i dont
spice spire
Toxic
sick kestrel
Worst talent in that row
why is that? i guess haste also makes bleeds tick faster aswell
balmy condor
Because alacrity just gives you haste instead
Our bleeds don’t do damage
So making them tick faster is whatever
You get energy from vendetta already
Venom rush actually speeds the spec up more than exsang
So even that doesn’t swing in exsangs favour
So it’s less damage, less energy, and it’s on a cooldown that you have to play correctly with
zenith notch
I don't even know what you two are talking about, but I already know you are full of BS. "... just gives you haste" is one of the weirdest statements a rogue can make.
sick kestrel
so exsanguinate isnt better on Ssingle target?
balmy condor
It is not, correct
zenith notch
You are dismissing haste as a stat because "our bleeds don't do damage"? Is that it, or I read wrong?
spice spire
I think he’s dismissing the bleed damage more than the haste?
zenith notch
No, I saw a wall of text that seemed you were saying "alacrity just gives you haste instead / Our bleeds don’t do damage / So making them tick faster is whatever"
stuck tartan
that's refering to exsa
zenith notch
and I was like "WTF? that's the most wrong statement I've ever read"
balmy condor
Yeah
And that’s where you would read the rest of the conversation
Before randomly stumbling into it
And saying that someone is full of shit
robust pine
if i get poison bomb talent power in torghast, can it proc from crimson tempest?
lean marten
i love out of context jebaits
robust pine
why even live then...
stuck tartan
if i get poison bomb talent power in torghast, can it proc from crimson tempest?
its jsut rupture and envenom
robust pine
oh, right... i kinda thought "Any damaging finisher"
stuck tartan
its not like poison bomb deals damage now so its ok
its like 1cp rupture damage
feelssad
sick kestrel
so im guessing the extra haste is just too valuable to give up for more garrote/rupture applications
balmy condor
Its a mixture of extra haste being good, and bleed damage being bad
robust pine
why unceasing chain link power keeps disappearing... like how did they manage to fuck up this exact power?
balmy condor
There’s a couple bugs in torg atm
stoic needle
@balmy condor is there a simc expression for how the sim chooses targets in an aoe situation? I'd like to sim hard target switching in aoe/cleave to targets in the execute phase to get the most out of zoldyck(unless it does that already)
balmy condor
I don’t know of any way to target specific targets for that, but I don’t think that will really matter
The health is randomized a little bit, so they don’t all hit 30% at the same time
But it’s fairly close together
So you might get like 5 seconds of auto-attack poison reapplications being buffed
But otherwise you’re not getting anything out of that
Especially for dungeon slice, the difference would be almost non-existent
stoic needle
I mean yeah the idea is that say you're about to envenom but something nearby just entered the execute phase, you'd just hard swap to it with the envenom and stick to it until its dead. you'd get the envenom poison proc chance bonus, the zoldyck bonus, and the 'bonus' of focusing it with your autos. just trying to think of any possible way to squeeze out more damage lol
lost sentinel
lol well, 12th floor boss hits me for 10k-12k autoattacks, not beating that with sin...
balmy condor
I mean yeah the idea is that say you're about to envenom but something nearby ju...
You’re using fan in cleave and aoe, so the target you’re hitting only matters for your auto attacks
stoic needle
isn't fan worse than garotte until like 3+ targets?
balmy condor
stoic needle
sorry not garrote, mut XD
balmy condor
Yeah okay
You fan on 3
Yes
On 1 target you can’t swap, on 3, you don’t mut
So really we’re looking at a slight gain, with a specific legendary, on specifically 2 targets, in a window of 5-10 seconds at best
stoic needle
yeah i guess that is pretty niche...
sick kestrel
Its a mixture of extra haste being good, and bleed damage being bad
Why is bleed damage bad ?
balmy condor
because that's how life panned out for us
we don't have any borrowed power increasing bleed damage
its just how the tuning ended up
sick kestrel
Ahh ok 
marble bear
sick kestrel
Respec
T
To all the sin rogues powering through these trying times
stoic needle
balmy condor
yeah good luck finding a sin rogue parse
the top sin rogue was botching his opener really fucking hard
but just outgeared everyoen
stoic needle
i'm about to upgrade my zoldyck to lvl 3 because i hate myself or something
balmy condor
sick kestrel
lvl3 zoldyck
spice spire
Lvl 4 zoldyck already just scuffed AF
stoic needle
it would be lvl 4 this week but i'm venthyr because apparently i just love being underpowered
and I can't complete any soul ash missions
spice spire
I too am venthyr. I somehow got one successfully. I just rushed Zoldyck’s
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stuck tartan
and I can't complete any soul ash missions
me spam dreamweaver, me good
they say is nerfed but im doing 48 lvl quests with dreamweaver and troops at 25 :/
stoic needle
stuck tartan
;D
stuck tartan
dont worry, i have one legendary of each spec cause I hate myself 
cosmic trail
Is scoundrel best crafted on feet or back?
balmy condor
feet
but the difference is irrelevant
unless you're going to get a 233 back from mythic
cosmic trail
@balmy condor You think you can help me understand how the kyrian ability works?
balmy condor
you hit in on cooldown, it empowers a random "slot" of combo points, either 2, 3, or 4th combo point. If you finish on that point, it functions as a 7 combo point finisher
cosmic trail
Is that one better for sin than NF?
balmy condor
they're both pretty close
sick kestrel
hey guys do you sometimes use poison blade top get from 4 to 5 combo points sometimes if shiv not available and garrote is already applied? or am i just wasting energy
fleet whale
you finish at 4
in that case
never use mut at 4 cps and using poison knife to get to 5 is a dps loss
balmy condor
using poison knife in general is a loss
balmy condor
the only time you use knife is if you're going to overcap energy, and can't get to the boss
which happens like once in a blue moon
sick kestrel
ahh ok. going to change it's bind then. Thanks guys this discord is a lot of help
heady island
Is your 'poison knife' = Shiv? Don't we want that nature dmg boost up asap and keep Shiv on CD?
Or poison knife maybe is the throw thing? I realize i didnt read good enough
balmy condor
poison knife is the dagger throw
heady island
My bad lol
dense cedar
Sin's ranged ability is called a poison knife
ye
Hey Whispyr
are you a fan
of knives? @balmy condor
cosmic trail
What's a good dagger I can either buy or farm for to get to hold me
off till i can get high mythic daggers
dense cedar
i guess u could use those 190s from AH
dense cedar
cosmic trail
Are the pvp ones good enough?
dense cedar
they're fine
gotta have daggers to actually use ur buttons so
as long as they aren't worse than heroic
should be technically fine
gonna be poor dmg from em tho
balmy condor
ilvl is the big thing for mainhand
cosmic trail
I have 1 mythic dagger on atm so i needed to get another from somewhere
balmy condor
your offhand is kinda whatever
heady island
Can someone point the direction where I can find stat weights? I wanna easily compare items that May be ilvl upgrade but maybe isnt worth taking in due to loss of a secondary stat.
balmy condor
that's a top gear sim
heady island
New to sims in retail. Hasnt dabbled in it at all. So your comment does not make sense to me unfortunately. Guess I have home work to do
balmy condor
New to sims in retail. Hasnt dabbled in it at all. So your comment does not make...
ignore the stat weight thing
but that should tell you basically everything you need to know
heady island
Thank you.
stuck tartan
190k vein ripper felt good
stoic needle
I almost beat a sub rogue 2 ilvl above me on sludgefist
But then we wiped
And then someone broke my chain on the 2nd attempt
strange python
I mean, I can beat a hunter on a sin rogue if they're eating their dinner while raiding
nothing majorly special really
stoic needle
it's not super special, but it's always fun to beat someone with a shit spec who should easily outdps you
cosmic trail
What race do yall play as?
balmy condor
belf
stuck tartan
belf
balmy condor
because transmog is +90% dps
cosmic trail
im alli
stuck tartan
then velf
low girder
anyone else getting oneshotted by the boss at floor 18 on level 1
everything starts hitting pretty hard around floor 13-14, you basically need a permaevasion setup or a lot of hp
cosmic trail
I dont have void elf unlocked sadly lol my rogue was born from a boost
stuck tartan
everything starts hitting pretty hard around floor 13-14, you basically need a p...
feels that way, only lasted with no cd potion + gettin evasion, a bad rng fucked me and she oneshotted me with just one auto D:
stuck tartan
i got hit for 90k
low girder
oof
stuck tartan
we lasted till 50% of the boss
but then I got 0 evasion buffs
so died from that instant lol
stoic needle
Belf
strange python
mechagnome :3
balmy condor
strange python
hater
balmy condor
they look so bad man
stuck tartan
gross
strange python
:c
lost sentinel
I like sin thematically... I wish it was better!
and I also wish it had shrouded suffocation
maybe next tier they add SS as a leg
crimson palm
@balmy condor green color? Traitor
daring pecan
Wait, I only just noticed that sin still has the master assassin talent while the master assassin legendary also exists
that's straight up hilarious
cosmic trail
For those that pvp do yall have any macro suggestions I should be using
daring pecan
focus macros, maybe arena target/focus macros
everything else is people trying to macro everything
cosmic trail
Is it possible to put vendetta shiv and sepsis all in 1 macro?
cosmic trail
Whats cast sequence?
balmy condor
dense cedar
don't tho
sinful island
I enjoy doing good parses due to no competition xD
stoic needle
I call it "pushing the limits of an underrepresented spec" 
faint harness
It was fun to do that as sub in bfa at times
cosmic trail
For pve do you guys use blindside or MP?
balmy condor
blindside in single target
MP in torg, and maybe some aoe
but in aoe you should use EP
cosmic trail
how would I macro dispatch and mutilate together so it'll just just dispatch whenever it procs
balmy condor
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cosmic trail
er ambush my bad
stoic needle
It's not worth it, just make a dedicated ambush bind tbh
sinful island
I made one bind for Crimson tempest and ambush, it works bcs you never have both talents at once
fleet whale
yeah that kind of sounds awkward
mortal tartan
thats the problem with this spec they give it a shadow strike mechanic but dont let you bind it to your mutilate
stoic needle
wat
robust pine
so how far did you get in twisting corridors with rogue? I tried yesterday 3rd layer, reached last boss and he just one-shotted me. I only had 3 tries at this point and failed, and now have to start from the start
fleet whale
who was the boss, and was it a melee attack that killed you
fleet whale
how much hp did you have
robust pine
but his melee autoattacks almost one-shotted me too
not much, for some reason HP powers dropped in very small quantities
44k i think
or something like that
fleet whale
yeah that may have screwed you, you pretty much need all the hp ones you get
but, you can try either opening with Cheap shot or even pre evasion before you pull the boss
robust pine
well, i pre-evasion by chugging crimson vials without cooldowns
and actually whole boss was chugging crimson vials hoping for the right defense buff
fleet whale
but i think you got screwed with the lack of hp powers
lament dove
I don't understand how this content is supposed to be fun tbh
fleet whale
due to how ridiculous the damage scaling is in TC
robust pine
i just can't imagine what the hell gonna be in higher layers if it's like this in layer 3
fleet whale
and Torghast is ok imo, it just really sucks that it's 18 floors
low girder
yeah it's just long
fleet whale
and unlike other rogue like games, there aren't many permanent buffs you get for the place
outside of just more gear and whatever venari gives you
robust pine
well, it's long but at the same time you get shitton of powers (that didn't help me)
fleet whale
in my first TC run
fleet whale
i had jack of all trade, first steps, and the sepsis resetting vendetta power
low girder
roguelikes you can just pause
for the most part
which in wow is usually fine, but for me TC will be kinda solo content i think
low girder
yeah
lament dove
I didn't memorize the name of one single power so far, I'm always just checking the description^^
balmy condor
yikes
fleet whale
for tc i also think it's very helpful to actually stack up on just raw stat powers
low girder
they're extremely good in large quantities like that
fleet whale
cause eventually you get ridiculous things like 80% crit
low girder
makes the maw upgrade where you get multiple at a time kinda insane
fleet whale
my priority for TC
robust pine
well, with last venari buff normal mobs always drop "Exploding rat or 3% stat", so i get decent amount of stat powers
fleet whale
HP> your best powers one time>raw stats> stacking up your better powers
robust pine
yeah, but where are exploding rats
fleet whale
near the bottom
actually, if you get really lucky before the final boss in TC
you could get the power that gives you immunity for like 2 mins
robust pine
yeah, i know, it happened to me a lot of times in normal torghast
robust pine
i am disappointed with necrolord rogue ability powers
you can get all of powerups for bone spike
stoic needle
The venthyr ones suck too
fleet whale
venth have the worst ones by far
robust pine
and it's still gonna be useful only as CP generator
stoic needle
stoic needle
It's good for kiting
robust pine
dunno, whenever i try, it doesn't seem super useful
stoic needle
They really need to rework our class powers
fleet whale
i think sepsis is fine for what it does
robust pine
if it empowered BLEED DAMAGE of bonespike... but it doesn't
stoic needle
And the covenant powers
fallow otter
the sepsis powers are low key really good
Is it lowkey? Lol
fleet whale
it needs to do more damage for a 1.5 min cd though
well, people always talk about the 20 CP er thing
not many people talk about the broken sepsis powers lol
stoic needle
Bone spike power: your bone spike now benefits from your mastery 
fallow otter
It's not outstanding single target but can aoe hard
robust pine
but epic Fleshcraft power on the other hand is pretty cool. But i think they need to lower cooldown for it too with this power...
fleet whale
the vendetta reset power is really good too
stoic needle
What vendetta reset power
stoic needle
Ugh
fleet whale
your vendetta resets
stoic needle
Wtf
stoic needle
This makes me want to change covenants
Venthyr sucks so bad
They suck at mission tables
The soulbinds kinda suck
fleet whale
they look cool though
stoic needle
The abilties suck
stoic needle
fleet whale
but real talk draven apparently is an op follower
like he apparently improves things greatly for missions
stoic needle
Ok well then we can do mission table stuff but I'm still stuck with 2 gcd flag
fleet whale
i honestly would have preferred slaughter, and that's really saying something as it was just a copy and paste ambush
at least the conduit for it was really strong with blindside
fleet whale
i mean condemn sucks too but in a different way
fleet whale
i mean that's nice
but you pretty much aren't dealing any damage outside of condemn windows or procs
stoic needle
It doesn't have to be that strong for us
fleet whale
but yeah, flag might be the worst covenant ability when collectively looking at all of them
only fodder to the flame and the paladin night fae one are designed worse
soft shale
paladin night fae one got nerfed 4 times tho
flag was just so badly done
like as assa you cant even get full stacks most of the time
stoic needle
I don't want to switch covenants again but I hate flag
soft shale
it could be good if some weird snapshot exsang build becomes the best
with zoldyck on execute
XD
but then ugh
robust pine
so take hp you say...
fervent kettle
who stands still as rogue ? ez choice
robust pine
i am on second floor and i have 133k hp
my first power was killing rat increases hp by 2%
my second power was increasing hp by 45%
and now this
fervent kettle
man i do bgs every morning in the office for conquest on my alts.. normally 5-10min que today 30 wtf
strange python
@robust pine can you solo easily?
strange python
ilvl?
robust pine
206
robust pine
for torghast i take MA to kill trash mobs faster
for boss i can change to zoldyck i guess... but i forget to do it
visual igloo
When’s ass getting a buff, miss playing it now.
low girder
9.1, probably
raven egret
10.0
strange python
i’m not really good at any of the specs but like sin so i just play it anyways
visual igloo
You raiding on it?
visual igloo
Fair play
fervent kettle
i will raid on sin 😛 but i only care for heroic and a arena and i do fine so far 😛
iron orchid
For a bit, I have noticed that Crimson Tempest does not count as a finishing move regarding the Alacrity talent, is this a normal interaction or a bug ? Because it feels really frustrating to lose you stacks of Alacrity after spending point on CT
low girder
known bug
ornate lake
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robust pine
well, new trick I learned for Torghast
if at 15th floor you see that the last boss is Maw of the Maw
then leave and start over
iron orchid
Nice envenom tho
strange python
why does that have a spoiler thing on it?
daring pecan
because it's disgusting damage
high basin
He wanted to excuse his french.
So boys i'm a sub main and have been playing some assassination to get the feel of the spec in case they buff it xD.
I have a question reguarding sepsis. Does it count as a dot modifier for assa or is it completly seperate ? ie envenom.
spice spire
From my understanding sepsis doesn’t interact with the kit whatsoever, save for maybe shiv.
high basin
alrighty then. Now that you bring up shiv. if you are the only class capable of dispelling enrage in a dg where you need to. Do you have a way to delay it without altering your rotation ?
for me shiv is only used as a enrage dispell but now that i also play assa i have to use it for my damage
like finding a way you can save it for the dispell yet not fuck up your damage to much
spice spire
That’s actually a great question. What’s your haste %?
spice spire
Then I’d think the easiest way to do so (if it’s a predictable window) is to blow your energy in a window about 5-10 seconds before you need to. Then once full energy, try to weave it into a nice 2-4 envenoms window
high basin
that seems fine this week with fortified actualy.
was thinking of the other side. we have 1 druid and me as a rogue
so we need to have that instant dispell
spice spire
Yeah, like I said the sandbag strat works only if it’s predictable, but yeah for the red guys it’s pretty ez to see
high basin
what does the assa kit offer that outlaw or sub doesnt btw ?
actualy serious since idont know assa much
daring pecan
nothing
high basin
forget about the damage output. i just want utility
daring pecan
high basin
so in M+ the best in pure utility would be outlaw cause of gauge ?
no gauge for assa ?
daring pecan
assa has silence on garrote used from stealth but when is that ever useful
high basin
i mean it's actualy nice
isn't the silence 8 seconds ?
I guess if you're pugging alot the silence can be a game changer
daring pecan
yes but is it an incap?
high basin
ofc not 😄
daring pecan
do you bring as much damage as outlaw?
high basin
i'm trying to look at assa full kit so i am comfortable on all 3 specs
daring pecan
nope, sadly not 
high basin
forget about the damage output. i just want utility
this
daring pecan
yeh but giving equal or less utility while being less damage is sadly not something that makes a spec viable
high basin
100% agree
But I am practicing the specs all together so im ready for all
And i love assa in torghast more than sub
for some reason
daring pecan
vein ripper's fun or so I've heard
high basin
the sustain is better aswell
daring pecan
but I still prefer sub for killing bosses in one opener
high basin
yeah but this week i find myself spending more time killing trash
but i guess it's whatever if you end up with amazing anima power
but that's the thing about assa. It feels great to play
I'm generaly not a fan of assa
but i feel like the rng is a bit meh but other than that everything feels smooth
and 2-3 target uptime is fun
daring pecan
I'd be more a fan of assa if so many things weren't gated behind talents and the base spec would offer me more
high basin
yeah that's very true
daring pecan
why is blindside not baseline
high basin
spells like exsanguinate and crimson tempest belong in a M+ enviroement again
daring pecan
why is CT a talent?
high basin
😄
CT = Black powder for rogue sub
would make sense actualy
and this is interesting
daring pecan
assa just feels so incredibly lacking to me and vendetta is just the most boring cooldown to exist
high basin
i think i've seen that somewhere
high basin
i actualy like the talent more than the leggo xD
change the talent to crit hit damage and let assa dominate for 2 weeks
daring pecan
nah, would get nerfed in a week while all other classes go untouched
high basin
also the only thing that feels really good atm compared to assa's counter parts is it's execute phase. but get a warrior, fire mage, lock or shadowpriest and your execute is gone oh and let's not forget monk's touch of death
magic vine
i haven't messed with playing assassination yet myself though i might, but long silences would be pretty nice in places like sanguine, where you want to focus 1 target in a pull but there are other casters that it'd be nice to interrupt
or some of the pulls in halls have similar setups
shrewd pivot
Crit is 1.5x damage?
coming up with 100-0 rotations
i think haste vers is whackkk
daring pecan
2x damage, 1.75x in pvp
marble hemlock
magic vine
jesus christ, i might have to try out sin in torg
magic thorn
He killed the mighty Maw of the Maw
stuck tartan
http://puu.sh/H4EDH/0537dd1985.png
how
stuck tartan
makes sense
marble hemlock
got the one from the revendreth questmob in floor5
that gives 15% dmg every floor, but makes you lose 5% maxhp every floor too
so i had like 20k hp at the end
stuck tartan
i just got like 100k because garrote with subterfuge +300% and shadowstep rupture 400%
oh lol
marble hemlock
yeah its like
marble hemlock
nightstalker rupture with 400% firststeps bonus, into 600% subterfuge garrote from unceasing chain link, a crimson tempest for good measure and then vanish
and watch them pop
daring pecan
what about that internal bleeding kidney
stuck tartan
i just got to 300% unceashing chain
daring pecan
is CT more damage than internal?
marble hemlock
yeah
daring pecan
aight
robust pine
how did you get 600% of unceasing link... i just lose stacks constantly
sleek otter
does Nya's Tool Herbs work with leech?
the one where healing spells and abilities give haste
cuz if it is, Im not thinking to run leeching poispn but to get the one enchant that gives you 1 percent leech
sleek otter
ah I see
eternal herald
hey what is your highest 7 pt envenom crit and non-crit?
strange python
Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with th...
Just to add to this discussion, this is true for blindside but if you don't use blind side I normally use the following macro:
#showtooltip
/use [nostance]Mutilate;[bonusbar:1]Ambush;[stance:2]Ambush
it works with subterfuge as well
balmy condor
That macro works for non-blindside as well
Not like you should be casting ambushes from stealth anyway :P
strange python
wdym
balmy condor
To which part
strange python
Not like you should be casting ambushes from stealth anyway 😛
balmy condor
Yeah
spice spire
Mutilate is better from stealth rn