assassination

[prisma monolith]

Whispyrs Bis list: http://tiny.cc/76r5tz

[fallen crypt]

Fuck me i cant pick a spec, mostly M+ but also raid normal/heroic, probably not mythic cuz IRL, i do enjoy sin in raid, but not so much in m+ where i prefer outlaw.. Help

[balmy condor]

then play both

[sudden canyon]

a haste vers build would be good for outlaw/sin wouldnt it?

[balmy condor]

yes

[amber egret]

is Zoldyck still the best for Mythic +?

[fallen crypt]

It has crossed my mind to outlaw in m+ and raid as sin, but to maintain 2 leggos is kinda ass

[balmy condor]

yes

[fallen crypt]

Zoldyck is bis for raid aswell yes?

[balmy condor]

dashing usually

but zoldyck wins on some fights

[fallen crypt]

Cool so Zoldyck is the overall bis than?

[balmy condor]

yeah

[fallen crypt]

Cool ty

[ebon tundra]

Just checked the logs and got happy that assa was middle of the pack, but then saw there are only 3 logs 😂

[balmy condor]

yuuuuup

[low girder]

it's also basically 2 bosses

extremely few public destroyer logs

[frail fossil]

big props to those sin players

[fallen crypt]

Zoldyck on legs or feet?

[stuck tartan]

legs

[fallen crypt]

May i ask why? No good legs in raid/m+ ?

Or just more stats

[stuck tartan]

its just cause legs its one of the bigger stats

[fallen crypt]

Ok cool

[old snow]

what if we dont intend to upgrade it for quite a while

would it be more worth using it on lower stat item?

[balmy condor]

no

the effect alone will outweigh pretty much everything

[digital crystal]

Can confirm the effect is crazy good

Seeing that subterfuge garrote damage shoot up makes me hug my trusty piano wire

[strange python]

which cov is way to go for sin?

[stuck tartan]

Pve? Night fae

[strange python]

for pvp

when sin gets better

i guess

[balmy condor]

pve doesn't matter, all about the same

pvp is still kyrian/fae

[strange python]

venythr is probably the worse for rogue

lol

but the gear looks cool

[balmy condor]

yeah in pve its fine, in pvp, I don't think it really does anything

[stuck tartan]

isnt maldraxxus even worse?

[strange python]

our time will come boys

and girls

[stuck tartan]

when I tried it did like 1% of my dmg

[balmy condor]

idk bout pvp

but bone spike is fine in pve

they're all fine

[old snow]

considering kyrian is nerfed, for pvp probs night fae for synergy with shiv

or if your going doomblade you can go maldraxxus for extra bleed for envenom

[sick scarab]

i will craft rank 3 zoldyk

then moving to dashing

[magic narwhal]

New to disc would like to know the state of assassination rogues for pve did the 5%overall buff do anything for assassination

[balmy condor]

we have a pin on it

[sinful island]

will there be enough soul ash to craft tier IV next week?

[balmy condor]

yes

[fallen slate]

!bis

[prisma monolith]

Whispyrs Bis list: http://tiny.cc/76r5tz

[fallen slate]

Is there a preferred weapon enchant anywhere? I didn't see it in the BiS sheet

[balmy condor]

you can click on the sims to see the enchants

celest/sinful in single target, double lightless in m+

[fallen slate]

thanks

I saw the enchant id going back to look

thanks for the quick response 🙂

[balmy condor]

no problem

[bold herald]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[merry adder]

i'm. suddenly conflicted on what to invest in again
i switched to sub for guild raiding and just getting used to it since sin feels... so weak.
im farming mats for a spec specific leggo now but. won't it be funny if they buff sin and nerf sub so they switch places soon
outlaw aint an option, i hate it lol

[balmy condor]

then build finality

we had mythic week tuning

we rarely see tuning after that

[merry adder]

yeah fair enough

[karmic zenith]

Does chaos brand or w/e the ability that DHs use on targets that buffs magic dmg taken affect envenom, bleeds and loosens?

Poisons*

[sick scarab]

nvm 🙂

[rotund thicket]

How's assassin for PvP?

[balmy condor]

it affects our nature damage, yes

[balmy condor]

fine

[karmic zenith]

Cool thanks!

[strange python]

Is kyrian bis for all specs

[balmy condor]

atm, yes

[strange python]

Good point I’ll wait before I change again

I went necro from NF and I kinda miss chilling with good old bwonsamdi

[balmy condor]

but NF is the bwonsamdi questline isn't it XD

oh

FROM night fae

why'd you go necro?

[strange python]

7% agi increase from bone spike on demand

And gives prime stat buff to raid member too

Plus if I put bone spike on 3 targets I get like 4/5 cp when I cast it again

[balmy condor]

ah

you gave into the feel craft

[strange python]

But now I just feel I’m underperforming

Maybe it’s my shit daggers

I shoulda saved my conquest

[magic narwhal]

Thankyou

[pearl surge]

If covenant choices affect more than 1-2% DPS, Blizzard is doing it wrong

[devout temple]

Sin good now?

[balmy condor]

no

[devout temple]

Fuck.

Hvae you tried m+ with it how bad is it

[balmy condor]

its bad

[calm dome]

Whats your highest key with Sin ?
Edit : in Shadowland

[fallow otter]

27

In shadowlands? No one plays sin in shadowlands bro

[calm dome]

And yes , there is people playing Sin everyday

[fallow otter]

I doubt that

But unicorns exist

I can be a blue one if I want

[strange python]

fuu blizzz can't even get into an m+ now

fix melleee

[calm dome]

Dont really see where you going with these messages Stunkei but alright
I ll let you show off a bit with your arrogant attitude

[strange python]

finally got in one ffs

195 ilevel, too

[calm dome]

Meanwhile I am still enjoying playing Sin

[drifting cosmos]

I think it's just like how in BFA ppl still play sub in keys

Not really arrogant just how it is

[fallow otter]

Don't take it the wrong way, I'm not being arrogant im being factual. Sin is not even remotely good in m plus and if you are playing it you are trolling your group imo. But as I've said many times if you enjoy it, do it. Everyone plays for different reasons and they are not always directed towards performance. Just my opinion

[drifting cosmos]

Sin not really optimal for m+ atm

[strange python]

outlaw country baby

the offical sin waiting class

for m+

sub works too tho

[fallow otter]

Sub atm because I don't have 200+ ol weap yet

But I'm clearing mythic cn and 14s so no need yet for outlaw

Sub super good for keys this week honestly

Fix bolstering issues zul style

[strange python]

stiill doing alright after nerfs?

[calm dome]

I do M+ every day . As sin
I know how the play it and my DPS is good . Better than Outlaw ? Not . Better than Sub ? No . I sweat on every pull to be the best and I never felt trolling my group . You need to push hard on the keyboard to reach number 1 but I like the challenge .
It would be easier to roll Outlaw or Sub , but how satisfying to be on the top of the dps chart and people tell you " Damn you can do this even with this shitty spec "

[fallow otter]

You do you bro, I'm glad you enjoy the challenge

[strange python]

im still getting good ganks with my sub but i don't play kyrian

my wrists were dying playing sin on nzoth, can't even imagine doing now with all the extra work we have to do to get even remotely close to our old numbers

working on pressing the keys lighter now haha

[strange python]

hmm wonder if the trinkets with minions will give us more uptime as we dodge tornadoes and shit

[devout temple]

What plays like assasin but isn't shit

[pearl surge]

Hey @strange python ?

[strange python]

sup

[pearl surge]

Do you have a carpal tunnel brace?

[strange python]

nah i need one tho haha i work from home as an author and play this damn game

[pearl surge]

Get one of these

[strange python]

ooo

that looks cozy

[pearl surge]

I have a similar one, and wear it when my wrist is complaining. It doesn't affect my clicky hand. I've been MMOing for 2 decades and had starter CTS for almost as long

But, ignore it, and you'll need surgery

[strange python]

thanks for the tip

i started noticing it big time in those long ass nzoth runs

pressing keys lighter helps a bit, but ya gonna get that brace

tyty

i was a bg player through all of wow pretty much, raiding and pve is pretty new to me

was really suprised how rough it is doing a raid

[pearl surge]

I have a G600 and still get it

[strange python]

ya i started moving buttons to my g600

still can't use the back buttons very well

[pearl surge]

Can I offer a tip for that mouse?

[strange python]

yes plz

[pearl surge]

Set G8 to 'target nearest enemy' and G7 to 'target nearest player'

[strange python]

oh shit

thats a cozy spot

kinda weird moving my finger there tho

is it middle finger?

[pearl surge]

And order your buttons not by skill, but priority. It's MUCH easier to alt that way. Example:

For me, 5 is always the 'oh shit' button and 9 is always an interrupt. Alt-7 is always a slow/ 1-3 are spammable, 4&6 are less-frequent spammables. Use Alt 1-3 before 7-9

Do something similar. Then you can kind of go braindead and still only suck a little bit.

[strange python]

sweet thanks for the tips

what bout the back buttons

[pearl surge]

Yep

[strange python]

do you use yoru finger pads or the back of your thumb

tumb pad or the back of your thumb

[pearl surge]

Tips

[strange python]

kk

[pearl surge]

Back of thumb risks hitting multiple buttons

Ideally, though, the back 3 will see minmal use. I use those for CDs and shit like Polymorph/Fear/taunt

[strange python]

kk ty

[pearl surge]

👍

[fleet whale]

Just out of curiosity: Does Niya's tools: herbs work with crimson vial?

[stoic needle]

UHDK?

The steel series rival 500 has some really amazingly laid out buttons for MMOs, it's pretty much impossible to press the wrong button

I upgraded from my g600 to this. It's so much more comfortable

[short hamlet]

What do we feel the likelihood of sin getting buffed at this point is? After mythic tuning week --0%?

[balmy condor]

close to non-existent

[cursive cipher]

Does the Conduit Maim,Mangle have an impact with the Doomblade Legendary ?

[short hamlet]

Big time bummer. I was hoping to run sin/sub because
A) one weapon type
B) not a huge fan of outlaw

[balmy condor]

that's what I do

except I don't run sin

I run sin in torg tho

[short hamlet]

You run sin/sub minus the sin?

🧠

That's where my heart is at

[fleet whale]

Torghast is easy now

those were some heavy nerfs

[pine torrent]

which missives do we want to run with zoldyck? haste crit or haste mastery?

[fleet whale]

you would probably have to sim to see what is best, but for me it was crit and haste

[robust pine]

What item i should craft for scoundrel, cloak or boots?

[balmy condor]

Haste Vers is always good

Scoundrel on boots

But cloak is fine

[fleet whale]

just don't choose mastery for missives

i have the least amount of mastery compared to other secondaries

and it still sims the lowest lol

[balmy condor]

Yeah

Bis list trends to avoid mastery as well

[fleet whale]

is mastery even that good for aoe/cleave anymore

i imagine it's a little better there

[balmy condor]

Not as good as crit/vers

[fleet whale]

yeah, couldn't see it beating crit and verse is solid

funny enough, a lot of pvp gear is itemlized pretty well

a ton of verse pieces

[pseudo hamlet]

Was Torghast nerfed?

[balmy condor]

Yes

Heavily

[pseudo hamlet]

I mean, I had some problems as assa before. (got unlucky with the anima though)

[balmy condor]

Hotfixes rolled in today

[fleet whale]

i just did a level 6

[pseudo hamlet]

how was it?

[fleet whale]

and it was maybe even easier than what level 4s used to be

[pseudo hamlet]

Woah, that's crazy.

[balmy condor]

Legit layer 8 is

Maybe 30-35% easier

Easily

[fleet whale]

the skeleton dudes

have a cast time on their death for that debuff

[balmy condor]

The per layer level health nerfs alone are like 28% or something

[fleet whale]

the debuff that the one elite had that would reduce your haste be 25%

is only 5% now

[pseudo hamlet]

Anyone tried sub and sin in torghast? Sub seems to do more damage, but it overall isn't that flexible(doesn't have strong dots, and I think that sin has better survivability because of the feint talent).

[fleet whale]

they are both fine, i actually prefer sin more though

[balmy condor]

Sin is better imo

Seli thinks so as well

If you don’t trust me on it xD

[fleet whale]

i always thought sin was a low key good spec for torghast

internal bleeding op

[balmy condor]

I didn’t trust it

But I ran one as sin

And it’s insane

Not even internal bleeds

You can just kite

[fleet whale]

it's a tankier spec than what people realize too

[balmy condor]

Leeching is pretty big

[fleet whale]

3 garrotes plus leeching

is a lot of healing

[balmy condor]

And the red ink trait is giga

[fleet whale]

ambush rupture i love too

i love getting the anima power that gives you master poisoner

so i can have both MP and blindside

[balmy condor]

I don’t take blindside to begin with

[fleet whale]

i take mp to start every run

[balmy condor]

Ye

[fleet whale]

but if i get that i take blindside

[robust pine]

There is power "after vanish your bleed and poison effects apply its damage instantly"
And necrolord rogues have infinite bleed.
So all enemies should just die instantly, but they don't
BULLSHIT

[fleet whale]

i avoid any vanish power for solo

they are all garbo for solo torghast

[robust pine]

This power is useful in very specific situations which i never encountered

[stoic needle]

Master poisoner on mind numbing + leech and your defensives is a surprising amount of survivability

[fleet whale]

yes, sin can be quite tanky

[robust pine]

Like your enemy has 10% hp left and you are almost dead yourself

[pseudo hamlet]

!

[main forge]

Vanish powers are quite a bit silly imo... I don't like them

[fleet whale]

they weren't made with solo play in mind

[main forge]

unless I can get a 4 stack of the reduce cooldowns by 15 secs

[stoic needle]

Whispyr what do you think about sin getting haste from SnD as a buff

[main forge]

yeah, definitely quite viable for group play

[stoic needle]

Instead of just attack speed

[robust pine]

I cant get 4 stacks of reduce cooldown because i wont take one stack in a first place

[fleet whale]

just if you see a vanish power in torghast

take a different one lol

[balmy condor]

Depends on the %, but seems good

[fleet whale]

like literally anything else is better than vanish powers

[main forge]

I had two vanish powers to choose from in my last run

I think i can't even recall what I took

[stoic needle]

I thought it would be a nice way to reward sin for keeping up SnD that actually affects our dots without being too ridiculous

[main forge]

Also been running as Sub to learn the spec.... they are both doable, I think sub has more burst though for chain pulling

[fleet whale]

sin does get rewarded for keeping up snd

it's just rewarding in a boring way

[main forge]

More melee crits

go white hits

[stoic needle]

🥱

Lol

[balmy condor]

There’s a lot of things they could do

[fleet whale]

the problem i have with sub in torghast

is that there are some moments where you basically have nothing up

[balmy condor]

Maybe I should make a list of things I’d like to see

[fleet whale]

and everything basically stops for you

[stoic needle]

You should tbh

[balmy condor]

And ideas in general

[fleet whale]

have to post them on the forums

[stoic needle]

I was literally thinking about sending mine into the in-game suggestion form

[balmy condor]

Cause we get that convo a lot

[fleet whale]

or hell i'll just copy and paste them on the forums

[main forge]

Shrouded Suff as an anima power...

[fleet whale]

we don't need ss for torghast

[stoic needle]

I just feel like there's a bunch of good ideas in this channel and blizzard deserves to see them because they obviously need some help

[fleet whale]

what they should do however

is garrote generates 2 cps from stealth

[main forge]

I enjoy the shadowstep giving like 15s of a defensive buff though

[fleet whale]

change our level 45 and 50 rows to actually not be shit

[stoic needle]

The more I think about it the more I like the idea of poison bomb being baseline

[main forge]

I don't like having random AOE dropping though

[fleet whale]

have either toxic blade or kingsbane as baseline, so shiv can used for just utility again

and not have a utility button be a dps cd

[stoic needle]

It's uncapped though

[main forge]

... yeah but it can fuck with CC when you don't want it too

[stoic needle]

I'd deal with it being random for the uncapped capability

That's true

[fleet whale]

PB i don't think breaks sap, or it didn't in legion

[stoic needle]

My poxstorm broke a Cc on a shade of barghast tonight and we almost wiped

[fleet whale]

i might be remembering things wrong though

[main forge]

PB has broken a blind

[fleet whale]

blind is very sensitive

it breaks from just you breathing

[main forge]

also blind i swear used to remove dots... and it doesn't anymore or am I not remembering correctly?

[balmy condor]

PB is damage and damage breaks cc’s like sap and blind

Blind does not remove dots

[fleet whale]

it used to remove them

[main forge]

I swear I was able to remove my own bleeds with blind before

[calm dome]

Poison bomb could apply a cumulative dot on ennemies standing on it

[fleet whale]

even so, if you have mobs hard cc'd

[stoic needle]

Pb has a short duration though so at least you don't have 10+ seconds of it being dotted and un-ccable

[fleet whale]

you likely aren't gonna be fighting over said mob

[balmy condor]

Yeah it used to I think

[main forge]

Like used too... in like 8.3 I swear

or am I not remembering correctly?

[fleet whale]

i remember there was a talent or glyph back in the day

that you could blind poisoned and bleeded enemies

[main forge]

because I definitely can't do those clutch BS when a mob got out of the way

[fleet whale]

and they would still take damage without breaking

[stoic needle]

It would be cool if blind paused all of the damage of your dots and it gets applied when it breaks from direct damage

[main forge]

Hey let's just be glad there isn't like 6 blind powers in torghast

[calm dome]

Especially in pvp

[echo gust]

we still bad?

[high siren]

yeah

still not our time to shine

[echo gust]

cmon blizz

gimme that hot 7% more buff

[drifting imp]

Yes please do that, I love to read all the ideas floating around this channel and I would love to see what ideas you have

[pure ingot]

!bis

[prisma monolith]

Whispyrs Bis list: http://tiny.cc/76r5tz

[tacit night]

my fav upgrade in torghast is "you walk faster if you're near a wall". It makes my runs so much faster because I get to the end boss and lose that much more quickly

[daring stirrup]

and for catapulting you off ledges

[oblique pewter]

anyone here played assass since buff?

[fiery stag]

dunno... depressed just that i can't do as much dps as people expect out of me.

[main forge]

it's sad that you can run an almost perfect assassination rotation and jazz but still go in and do more DPS as sub or outlaw without knowing it nearly as intimately

[fiery stag]

i do as much as assa as sub .. aka 1k too little compared to what others do on my gear lvl

[oblique pewter]

[fiery stag]

ilvl 185.. people expect something like 3k+ and i can give 2k 😦

[oblique pewter]

well I deal 2k as 145 sub

[fiery stag]

atm dunno if i wanna go to other class or just quit.

[oblique pewter]

try out sub, it's fun aswell tbh

but I can't wait for my assass to get back

[fiery stag]

tried... 2k dps with it too

[oblique pewter]

gotta master the rota

its trickier

[fiery stag]

well.. atm i just can't go on any groups so i dunno...

[main forge]

i practice in torghast and random dungeon finder

also +2 keys are fairly easy to get into

[glacial haven]

Sub rotation is wtf

There is like one million cds

Fuck that

[main forge]

I just keep shadow dance and symbols on cooldown, and shadow blades in any DPS phase or on cooldown

[fiery stag]

too bad i dunno any rogues really so can't even go ask from them what all (or is it really all) that i do wrong...

[main forge]

we have a sub channel....

[fiery stag]

well.. i know.. there they said pretty much just.. learn or go outlaw...

don't have swords for that so yea.

[deft sparrow]

assa stil bad, i swear

look at logs, sub doing 1k more damage on ST

[main forge]

it is bad. i did heroic shriekwing tonight without knowing the rotation all that well and beat my normal dps

in Sin

also LFR is a nice option to try and get used to the rotation and cooldowns for a fight without it hampering your normal raid too

[fiery stag]

u see.. i do assa 2k.. and wunderbar.. sub is about steady 2k

[deft sparrow]

yeah i look on Shriekwing fight, the logs, if you compare top logs (on normal) Sub and Sin, on average Sub is 1K higher DPS

so pretty death spec , sin

Heroic same story by the way

I don't know Sub rotation at all.. i just press buttons and i get higher DPS than my Sin XD

[deft sparrow]

u should do way more on Sub

[fiery stag]

oh yea? i been told that butnot much of solutions on it.

[deft sparrow]

Sim your gear, check your rotations

prob doing something wrong

maybe ask someone in Sub channel to check ur logs

[earnest harness]

Hi, maybe a dumb question. But how do I see my Rupture & Garrote uptimes on bosses in Logs?

[plain thistle]

debuffs, select enemies

and source = you

[earnest harness]

ahh thank you thank you

[plain thistle]

or you can go to damage done, it also shows uptime

[earnest harness]

Ahh I completely missed it in the damage done tab lmao

[plain thistle]

yeah, I like debuffs more because you can also check vendetta, and you can Clearly see the "gaps" if you have any

[rigid mango]

@umbral flare We don't do self advertisement here 🙂

[tribal lantern]

I main sub, it's a hard learning curve but once you get it down it's not too difficult. After knowing priority spells your next step is how too plan the fight depending on how many targets.

Came here to see if sin will be any better after the buff but doesn't seem so lol

[lament dove]

sub's rotation is not hard at all, the thing you need to realize is that if you need to move away from the target, your dps will plummet
you need to maximize your uptime as much as you can, it especially hurts if you time your dance wrong
so knowing the fights counts even more as sub

[shut garnet]

sub is literally

you press dance and symbols at the same time every 30 seconds

and you keep rupture up

[dry atlas]

And on sin you just keep rupture and garrote up

[toxic tusk]

And slice n dice.

[spice spire]

^

[plain thistle]

lets be honest guys, both are a little more complicated than that

[toxic tusk]

Remember when envenom used to refresh SnD? I want that back so badly.

[dry atlas]

Every spec has to keep snd up now

[real bay]

yep env refresh snd nice .maybe to a set in future raid

rather have baseline tho.. like env add 1s per cp used to snd duration

[dry atlas]

Bloodtalons

They made feral feel worse but do more damage than sin

Guess you guys should just reroll

[real bay]

snd as passive would be better . like make finisher pop snd for x seconds. it's just so boring rn

[dry atlas]

Yeah for me it feels bad having to keep it up on all 3 specs

[real bay]

it's fine in classic where you have 3 buttons. not in current wow

[strange python]

PvE is not really that hard, atleast until you hit mythic.

If you're a semi decent player biggest thing you can do to improve your output is to play (one of) the strongest class / spec.

[real bay]

spec below mythic is irrelevant anyways

[strange python]

I would say any spec below mythic is viable, not that spec is irrelevant.

[strange python]

!bis

[prisma monolith]

Whispyrs Bis list: http://tiny.cc/76r5tz

[toxic tusk]

Here’s a question. Do you beautiful assassins use shiv on cool down, or before a 5 point envenom?

[calm dome]

Every time its available :)

[toxic tusk]

I try my best to do both but I’m not sure of it’s best use.

And for raiding, do you use poison knife in your rotation? I haven’t ever, but I’m wondering if there’s some underrated move I’m not knowing about.

[calm dome]

Some ennemies ( in M+ ) will enrage at 30% , once you know them make sure you got Shiv available to break down this enrage

[toxic tusk]

Shiv gets rid of enrage?

[calm dome]

If the right poison in off hand yes

[gleaming eagle]

our ticks are too slow

[calm dome]

If they increase speed we will have to re aplly them more often . A damage buff for ticks would be better imo

[toxic tusk]

Which poison gets rid of enrage? Numbing?

And how did I miss that?

[calm dome]

Correct

Numbling get your shive one charge of dispell for enrage

[onyx hemlock]

Is the haste stat prio listed in the pinned messages for all content or just raiding?

[calm dome]

All content

As Sin is way slower than the two other spec . More haste grants us more energy regen

[spice spire]

All PVE content, I think PVP has a different order

[calm dome]

Pvp will be probably Vers first, then haste

[spice spire]

But in general, last tier we didn’t need the haste for aoe because we’d end up wasting a shit ton of energy. Now, we need all the regen we can get

It was Vers > mastery for the one shot cheese. Unsure if that even works now

[onyx hemlock]

There will always be oneshot sheese im sure

[calm dome]

Mastery dont really that important atm

[onyx hemlock]

The lurking mastery stacker

[calm dome]

Vers / Haste
Haste / Crit
For Pve

[onyx hemlock]

Awesome thanks

Been playing sub since SL launch but swapped over to sin to see changes . . . My 4% haste may ve why it felt so bad

[spice spire]

Uh yeah

[calm dome]

Its way to low hahaha

[spice spire]

Anything under 15% feels absolutely abysmal. Even at 18 currently, feels fairly bad

[onyx hemlock]

The rotation was like
Mutilate > wait 3 globals afk so i can press any other button

[spice spire]

Buffs just brought assassin in line with a fairish curve, it’s still a bottom five, if not bottom spec

But fun

[calm dome]

You are brave man to switch from Sub to Sin :)

[onyx hemlock]

Tl:dr
0/10 would not recommend 4% haste

I know sub is popular but i just kinda picked it because it seemed cool and id never actually playednit before

I was always combat until they replaced my baby

[calm dome]

@onyx hemlock make sure to ALWAYS fight with Slice n Dice . Get this buff even applying rupt or envenom

[onyx hemlock]

Good to know, i was doing rupt > snd

[spice spire]

Nah, opener is garrote > mutilate/ambush > SnD, then set up to rupture

[onyx hemlock]

Garrote +ambush, im assuming that means subterfuge is very standard

[spice spire]

Not necessarily, that’s why I said mutilate/ambush, even with subterfuge, mutilate can be a fine selection as a #2 as well, as a double chance for crit with it could mean you get a full SnD off of your opener which is a huge boost

[onyx hemlock]

True

Itll always crit when i get MA

;)

[toxic tusk]

I use garrotte/ambush/ambush as my opener, using the points generated to rupture.

Is that dumb?

On single target anyway. On 3, everyone gets a garrotte.

[stuck tartan]

I usually do ambush/snd/mutilate/garrote/rupture

but because im talented into master assassin

[toxic tusk]

After my rupture I Kyrian talent into slice n dice, then use the convo point as a 7 point envenom.

Is the damage difference between using your opener to put up SnD instead of rupture that substantial?

[stuck tartan]

The problem is sin right now has numbers so low

most of the damage comes from autoattacks and instant poisons

[stoic needle]

Mutilate will be better than ambush in those situations because it gives more CP on average and had the chance to trigger blindside

whispyr says the best opener with MA is garotte mut SnD

[stuck tartan]

tbh i start with ambush cause I think it has more damage, and because I like the animation to start, but yeah, that makes sense lol

[stoic needle]

The animation is pretty awesome, to be fair haha

[toxic tusk]

I noticed my dps is lacking as well. And I’ve been playing assassination for years now so it threw me right off.

Like, following the same rotation I have been (with the new modifications) and I was still not doing great.

[spice spire]

Yeah the opener is Garrote > Mut > SnD.
At min. 3 CP SnD that can be carried for the entire fight, max is 5 CP that lets you get maybe an additional envenom off before refreshes

[toxic tusk]

Is blindside being used now? Like is it the go to?

[stuck tartan]

For ST yeah

it has a nice execute phase

[spice spire]

Mutilate also works with many of the powers in sin, with +poison and +mut damage both contributing to a higher output

Over ambush

Both EP and blindside are used, but I think blindside is preferred

[stuck tartan]

if you're using dashing scoundrel as a legendary go master poisoner

[spice spire]

On the (whole 6, wow!) mythic parses it’s 4/6 EP, 1 blind side, and 1 master poisoner

[stuck tartan]

EP for Aoe its better in general

with so many fights having to cleave is great

but if you like ambush's animation as much as me, go blindside lmao

if it feels good, I pick it

[spice spire]

If you’re really going to max/min, you’d have rolled into a different spec

[stuck tartan]

Exactly

[spice spire]

Just pick whatever feels good it doesn’t matter, we’ll still be around the bottom

[stuck tartan]

Hey, atleast if you dont do damage, they dont know if its because you're bad, its just the spec

profit

[balmy condor]

Not actually true afaik, blindside will still sim higher in single target, and ep in aoe, but MP with dashing is only like 1.5-2% behind I think

[icy isle]

guys assassin is alive, topping dps in raid every boss 😄

[balmy condor]

[icy isle]

normal though but yea

[balmy condor]

Well if your top is 3.3k then there’s a chance yeh xD

[icy isle]

haha yes but still

[balmy condor]

Purple parsing sin rogue is technically better than a grey parsing hunter

But if that hunter were any good

You’d be crushed

[jovial verge]

Haha, my guild didn't believe that ass rogue sucked till they saw I had gold parses 😛

There is so little people playing it right now, kinda sad

[balmy condor]

Well you gold parsing still doesn’t make it good

[jovial verge]

That's what I was saying

[balmy condor]

Oh I see

[jovial verge]

If I am gold parsing it must mean anyone with a brain is playing a different spec lol

[balmy condor]

Yeah, I read it wrong

[jovial verge]

I still think its fine for most players, because of its friendless to those who are new/unsure about raiding but yeah its just so far behind outlaw/sub

[balmy condor]

I think it’s fine for like normal raiding guilds

But if you’re gonna even push for a relatively early aotc, and light mythic

It’s just so bad

[jovial verge]

Yup, even for normal you can look at warcraft logs and its non-existent

[dense cedar]

I think FoK should instant kill on a crit

[spice spire]

100% not viable.
I was 6th.

[balmy condor]

Kek

[devout temple]

RIP

[real bay]

UH lost to sin

[spice spire]

[dense cedar]

Whispyr stuck answering sub questions also

[spice spire]

Entering the forbidden chat

[stuck tartan]

That must be fake

[balmy condor]

It’s a choice I made :P

I’m still here

[real bay]

dude paid for tht UH to kill himself to lose xd

[spice spire]

Nope, I out-damaged him and he was alive all fight iirc

[real bay]

[spice spire]

What’s worse is I actually beat 3 UH DKs

[balmy condor]

Yikes for those UH

[strange python]

whisp whats your favorite rogue spec?

[spice spire]

Yeah, two of them it’s the normal, as one DK is constantly swapping specs, it’s whatever. The other is uh, newer. Our top damage was a 3800 frost mage

[balmy condor]

Sin

[sacred python]

Hi mate, i am new here
Can someone tell me what's the cap of Haste, crit plz ?
Or maybe u have a link to see it somewhere ?

[spice spire]

!bis

[prisma monolith]

Whispyrs Bis list: http://tiny.cc/76r5tz

[balmy condor]

We don’t have stat caps

[spice spire]

There’s not necessarily a cap, but that goes over diminishing returns

[balmy condor]

The diminishing returns don’t wildly affect stat priority either

[sacred python]

i have heard we need 20% haste and when we have that it's prio crit ? can someone tell me if it's true ?

[balmy condor]

That’s bullshit

[stoic needle]

That's like a warrior thing

[balmy condor]

If anyone tells you that at x%, you prioritize something else

They’re just saying shit with no basis

[primal zinc]

!bis

[prisma monolith]

Whispyrs Bis list: http://tiny.cc/76r5tz

[strange python]

sin in this raid doing about 2.9k

using crimson tempest

gear isn't that great either

2 2 1 2 2 2 3

using zold

[balmy condor]

Yikes

[strange python]

3k is yikes?

[balmy condor]

Little bit, yeah

[strange python]

haha

i feel like having like 5 dps at 2.0 is yikes

3 is passable

5 is bs mm

[balmy condor]

Depends on the fight honestly

But 3k is sorta low end on a lot of them

5k is starting to be broken on top heroic logs across the board

Except for council

3k on council is pretty okay

[strange python]

@sunking

[balmy condor]

Well yeah

[strange python]

im not a raider rofl

so i duno

just reporting what i saw

[balmy condor]

Sun king and generals its over 6k

[strange python]

kk

[balmy condor]

Wait not generals

Altimor

The other cleave fight

[tidal sonnet]

Props to @strange python At least he has a positive outlook. Too many complainers.

[balmy condor]

Having a positive outlook and accepting the reality of current balance are two different things

I can be hopeful for more sin buffs

I would switch back to sin in a heartbeat

But it’s not about being positive

[real bay]

do logs count BF dmg you cleave off shades?

[balmy condor]

No

[real bay]

thought so

[balmy condor]

Shades are removed

[real bay]

one pull i did 800k with fire pot

kekw

[strange python]

was just curious if it was meaningful dmg or not with the aoe bleeds

[balmy condor]

Yeh I mean in cleave, can be good

[strange python]

hmm they aren't running any haste at all

[balmy condor]

That’s problematic

[strange python]

wonder if it would be decent with haste

[balmy condor]

What fight are they running CT on

[strange python]

sunking

the one with KT

[balmy condor]

Aha

That probably makes the most sense

[spice spire]

I run CT on that fight as well, my guild uses me as a utility bot though

[strange python]

ya im just hitting pedestals and kicking people as OL haha

[spice spire]

Because we have some real AoE gamers as is, so it’s just easier to fok get snd up, ruptures and shit then burst shade.

[strange python]

haha im still learning raids and trying not to get yelled at

as long as I can sneak by with 3.0 and not get in trouble im happy

[balmy condor]

Yeah

3k isn’t trash, it’s just not impressive

[strange python]

ik haha

its what my gm wants us to hit at min

[balmy condor]

Playing out the rogue fantasy

By keeping a low profile

[strange python]

haha

[balmy condor]

[strange python]

right

as long as I can hide somewhere in the mid im good

[balmy condor]

Yep

[devout temple]

umm M+ group declines my SIn

[balmy condor]

Specifically because you’re sin?

[devout temple]

probably

[balmy condor]

Unlucky

[strange python]

m+ are hard to get into now

everyone wants mm/lust

takes me about 20 mins of spamming to get into one

[balmy condor]

Yeah I’ve seen a lot people ask for lust

[devout temple]

can sin some how do good dmg in m+?

[strange python]

or 'ranged preferred'

[balmy condor]

Community perception of drums way down

[strange python]

how much are drums?

[balmy condor]

If things die quickly and you pull 3 target, it’s possible

[balmy condor]

15%

It got nerfed from bfa

[strange python]

can't you buy them?

[balmy condor]

Yeah you can

[strange python]

i think i remember someone running out and buying some

[balmy condor]

Leatherworkers can craft some

They’re super cheap

[strange python]

hmm might start carrying some

[balmy condor]

Just a bunch of the basic leather

[strange python]

yay beat sunking in pug

[balmy condor]

Pog

[barren forge]

anyone an idea where to get the +10 redeemed souls this week written in the medivh covenant sanctum guide? it says we get

x15 souls this week

[robust pine]

What should sin do, when you have to switch to kill a lot of small weak adds? We were on Denathrius in normal now and guy said that i did too little damage. Can i even do anything here? These adds supposed to die like in 5 seconds, my bleeds are not very useful here

[stoic needle]

I would also like to know, this is the main thing that keeps me from playing sin in raids atm

I have no idea what to do in hectic aoe situations when things die so fast

[balmy condor]

you cry

can pool 5cp into a CT

but CT sucks on that fight

can run hidden blades

that might be okay

otherwise MA legendary and vanish fok might be good

all in all though

not much you can do

it's always been like that for sin

if there's an add that flies out of the main clump, you can help with that one

[stuck tartan]

small adds
you're playing sin
just cry in a corner, we're not for that

[robust pine]

is it worth it though to take hidden blades just for first phase of denathrius battle?

[stuck tartan]

dont think so

you can try to cap 5cp into envenoms praying for bombs to drop

[balmy condor]

it helps if you have melee add problems in p2

but I wouldn't recommend it

[prime rock]

What is the best legendary at the moment for assa

I know assa is shit in general

But anyways

[outer lodge]

Check the pins

[balmy condor]

overall would be zoldyck

[prime rock]

I see all top m+ player crafting the 30% extra dmg one

Just wanted to make sure I am not mistaken

[balmy condor]

top sin m+?

[prime rock]

Well best assa m+ player has everything +15

That’s not too bad

[plain thistle]

hmmm, where? top assa player has only 2 +14 on time and a +15 not timed

the player you are talking about probably played sub/outlaw in most keys then

[balmy condor]

yeah

[prime rock]

Raider.io

[plain thistle]

yup

https://raider.io/mythic-plus-spec-rankings/season-sl-1/world/rogue/assassination

[prime rock]

Top m+ assa Rouge.
I doubt he Switched to sub since he has haste on all his items

You’re right mostly +13 and 14

Still decent enough

[rigid tartan]

Ofc you can easily time those levels but it’s more up to the coordination of the whole group and playing with big blasters

Like hunter, unholy, rets or so

[frank prairie]

is necro assa good on arenas?

i leveled up my rogue and have no idea what to do with him

[strange python]

i do alright but you need a shitload of haste, switched back to sub until i can get all the m+ haste gear

covenant is almost irrelevant rn since kyrian nerf

assa legendary for pvp

https://tenor.com/view/fallout-vaultboy-gif-4927077

yes im a king

[mortal scaffold]

every day i look in wowhead news for assa buffs

and every day im disappointed

[balmy condor]

we had our 5% buff for mythic week

hard doubt on any more buffs

[mortal scaffold]

🤡

sad bc im not interested in playing anything else lol

[stuck tartan]

same

[devout temple]

uhh yeah Sin is the only thing I really like in WoW still i play other games too. So whin Sin sucks im like meh screw WoW for now it's not a game I gotta play.

but i been doing Arms recently its kinda fun condomn is lit

[stoic needle]

it's been really hard to find another spec i want to play other than sin 😦

[balmy condor]

I don't mind sub

so I'm vibin

[stoic needle]

it just doesn't do it for me. Outlaw is fun enough but I feel like I'm kinda trash at it at the moment, lol. I need more practice

[stuck tartan]

I've been levelling alts and playing UH/Blood dk because sin is in a bad state

[wooden silo]

I've done a couple M+ runs (2-6) and I'm doing better as assassination than subtlety. I'm thinking when played optimally Sub may sim higher but assassination is a bit more user friendly.

[fickle spindle]

whats sin?

assasSINation?

i remember the days of multiate / rupture / envenom on wotlk naxx..

[balmy condor]

Yeah sin is assassination

[balmy condor]

I actually find sin a little more difficult in aoe. In single target sure, sub isn’t as user friendly, but in aoe the rotation is literally just push all your CDs and smash 2 buttons over and over

Having to multidot can be quite difficult sometimes

[stuck tartan]

Playing sub on aoe felt like it was easy mode after playing sin for so long

[toxic tusk]

So is the vendetta memory useless?

Because it’s the first fucking assassination thing I’ve gotten.

[balmy condor]

Yep

[toxic tusk]

10 conduits, none based around assassination.

[balmy condor]

Legendary you mean?

[toxic tusk]

Yeah.

Memory of whatever it’s called from Mistcaller. Drops vendetta time by 1 second for every 50 energy spent.

[balmy condor]

Our bis comes back on rotation in 2 weeks fron torg

The vendetta one isn’t very good

Doomblade should be from next weeks torg

That’s pretty good in raid

[toxic tusk]

If it’s rhe only one I have, should I get it anyway or not bother for now?

[balmy condor]

Nah don’t bother

Dashing doomblade or zoldyck

[wind umbra]

Is the wowhead guide a pretty good resource for rotation? I think I need to improve mine

[balmy condor]

They’re all good

And written by great rogues

Wowhead’s by mystler, one of the theorycrafters

Icyveins by our own seliathan, fantastic m+ player

And ravenholdt by our weak, also a fantastic rogue

[pearl surge]

I found you can actually gear all the better Assassin and Outlaw legs at the same time, so I might do both myself

Play Sin and swap when they bitch

[echo cargo]

Sin 4.1K sim.... Sub 5K

Feelsbad.

[balmy condor]

yup

[stoic needle]

my OL sims 4.3k, my sin sims 3.6

[worthy slate]

did that 5% make it worth sinning again?

or is it just slightly less ass?

[balmy condor]

pin

[deft vault]

Is there a way to track the number of active bone spike with a weak aura?

[calm dome]

You can try to do it with TellMeWhen . Good add on for keeping track

[balmy condor]

should be a setting in the text display, if you give me a second I can make you one

[balmy condor]

https://wago.io/uWtrvyqDR I made 3, of different complexities to illustrate how I would use it, should be able to just yoink the logic on the simple one and apply it to whatever you want, let me know if you need more help :)

[kind zodiac]

Do you guys actually like SnD for sin? I mean we already got so much ramping to do

idk i liked the other assa gameplay more

[balmy condor]

I do

[kind zodiac]

i guess im the only one then 😛

[balmy condor]

a lot of people don't like it

I'm in the minority

[kind zodiac]

really?

[balmy condor]

yes

[kind zodiac]

thats good

mby they can remove it again 😝

[deft vault]

Whispyr the weak aura doesnt workj with serated

[stone epoch]

I don't mind snd, I just wish it was more energy and less AA speed.

or maybe just more energy in our current state

[deft vault]

The simple one is exactly what im looking for . It does work with rupture but when i change the spell id to bone spike one it wont ever pop

[balmy condor]

are you sure you're using the right spell id

bone spike has 2 spell id's

the instant damage

and the dot

make sure you're grabbing the spell id off of the dot debuff

[deft vault]

328547 is the one im using

probably not the right one i assume

[balmy condor]

uh

I can look it up real quick

324073

try that

[deft vault]

doesnt seem to be working

it flashes for like a milisecond

[balmy condor]

hm

do you use elvui

if you put bonespike on an enemy, and then look at the enemies debuff

it should give you a spell id for that debuff

@deft vault

[dim yacht]

is there a macro to copy paste into the gse2 for ambush/mut? i have no idea how to use the addon

or is it literally just /cast ambush /cast mut

[balmy condor]

!bs

[prisma monolith]

Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message

[mortal scaffold]

what does this do exactly?

[balmy condor]

makes blindside a braindead talent

you just spam the button

and it cycles between ambush and mut over and over and over

so if you ever get a free ambush

it'll use that

[deft vault]

324073 is the right one

[balmy condor]

pog

so its working now?

[deft vault]

nop

it does work with rupture tho

[balmy condor]

hm

[deft vault]

https://gyazo.com/c9936f040c103ca5e90358288b45b6ea

[balmy condor]

oh

that's probably just display stuff

uhhhhhh

[deft vault]

cuz it does appear when i cast it

for like a millisecond

[balmy condor]

do you have the whole pack loaded

[deft vault]

nah i deleted the other 2

[balmy condor]

okay

its weird that it still tracks rupture then

if you changed the id

[deft vault]

no i got 1

2

[balmy condor]

okay now I'm confused

[deft vault]

duplicated the rupture simple one

[balmy condor]

oh

[deft vault]

and changed the id on the new one to serated

just to show you

[balmy condor]

well try moving the rupture one

[deft vault]

https://gyazo.com/67ca3adef67cc2a6ab66c8905606afba

[balmy condor]

hm

okay give me a second

I'm not a necrolord so its a little difficult for me to test, that's why I did it with rupture in the first place

can you send me a screenshot of the trigger you have on your bone spike one @deft vault ?

[deft vault]

https://gyazo.com/194d0c6c977cf819417dda3409418aa8

[fleet whale]

lol i just had the most insane anima rng for this torghast run i just did

first steps and jack of all trades, 35% agi buff but i can't jump

like all the ones that give you a talent, red ink

and a whole bunch of op generals

my ruptures were ticking for 13.2k lol

[balmy condor]

yeah idk, I can't figure it out

[fleet whale]

and not only did i have great anima rng

but i found meatball too

[deft vault]

pretty sure it has something to do with bone spike being permanent

[balmy condor]

yeah its very possible

[untold topaz]

just switched into Sin for literally the first time since BfA and... didn't Envenom buff used to have pandemic?

[balmy condor]

nop

[harsh sphinx]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[gleaming parcel]

is Assass viable in pvp right now?

[balmy condor]

kinda-ish maybe

[ember rover]

Hello fellow rogues, how are you coping?

[balmy condor]

This channel has been deprecated until further notice. For Assassination discussion, please re-specialize. Thank you for your understanding.

[primal zinc]

do we have cevenants sims upgrade?

[balmy condor]

do we what now

[primal zinc]

i mean for assasssins is venthyr still 2nd place on raid+dungs?

i mean upgrades

like the /biss or /fuu

[balmy condor]

we just got a 5% aura buff

[ember rover]

Hard no

[balmy condor]

it didn't change anything

[ember rover]

Assa is literally bottom spec, by a huge margin

[primal zinc]

aura buff?

[balmy condor]

all damage except melee's

[primal zinc]

so base dmg 5%

thats all?

[balmy condor]

yes

that's all

[primal zinc]

well

[balmy condor]

my bis lists have been resimmed to account for trinkets and the 5% buff

but it didn't change anything

[primal zinc]

i mean i want to see something similar that once posted the best way for covenants

[balmy condor]

the numbers just went up

the best soulbind paths are in the pins

[primal zinc]

so venthr is still 2nd raid+ dung

[ember rover]

This is how shit assa is

[balmy condor]

yes

we know

[ember rover]

It makes me sad 😦

[balmy condor]

don't got to keep rubbing it in our faces adrian man

[dense cedar]

[ember rover]

I am Assa main

[balmy condor]

toxic af

[ember rover]

I am literally Assa main

[rich yew]

hahahaha

[ember rover]

But right now Assa is bench

[balmy condor]

I mean

rogue is bench

if we're going that far

melee in general is pretty much bench

you bring a war for the buff, and a monk for the debuff

[primal zinc]

i great supporter of the idea that.....if you know your specc 100% we are all equal

[balmy condor]

and a couple UH cause they pump

that's it

[drifting cosmos]

Well sadly

[balmy condor]

the flaw in that, is if the other people know their spec 100%, you're not equal anymore

[drifting cosmos]

The idea won't hold on higher end

[primal zinc]

but thats craps and dreams.......i made 100% parses of 1500 at slugdefist with 3700k dmg and a shadow priest with 40 parses made 4800 😦

fucik equality

sorry

!biss

!bis

[prisma monolith]

Whispyrs Bis list: http://tiny.cc/76r5tz

[dense cedar]

if all specs did equal dmg people would probably just bring a warrior, ww monk and hunters

[balmy condor]

it would be war tank monk tank

[topaz axle]

It'd be 4 rdruids a protwar brewmonk and 14 hunters

Eh, I guess a couple discs for the PI

[terse hinge]

Yall sound like you're making a christmas list

[gleaming eagle]

What's the point in bringing assa rogue then

Lol

[balmy condor]

well you never do

the point of bringing a sin rogue

is to make your roster look bigger

and to make him feel important

[sick scarab]

mm strange.. wtf i sim higher with 1 potency conduit than wiht 2..

i thought at 13 it was better to go deamweaver and go for well placed steel and lothal poison..

instead it sims lower than stay NYA

[balmy condor]

definitely

double potency on dreamweaver is actually just worse than 1 potency and social butterfly

nothing weird about that

[lost prism]

good morning good people

could you confirm if Assa is viable or not? I am not a high end player I just want to do some dungeons and raid maybe to heroic lvl

[balmy condor]

its not viable, but if you're only doing heroic and your guild doesn't care, it'll be able to do fine

a good sin rogue will beat a shit X spec

a good sin rogue will however get stomped by a good/decent meta spec

[lost prism]

that is sad

its just that I do not want to be a burden for my guild

[sick scarab]

i did good logs

but dps is just BAD

so..

for sure sin will not go mithich progress raid

but normal and hc it is NP

you will be bottom dps

[lost prism]

and is Blizzard going to implement any additional changes?

[sick scarab]

but who care in normal anc hc

i did good pareses i also did better in some fight thatn sub and outlaw but dps is so BAD so,,

[lost prism]

yeah, thank you anyways

I'll try to learn sub then, maybe in some future patch I can reroll assa

[sick scarab]

i hate sub tbh

it is just BAD so BAD imho

[balmy condor]

doubtful we'll see more changes at this point

[sick scarab]

for now wiht mithic race going on

for sure no changes

after that maybe something will happnes

[balmy condor]

well even after

its doubtful

[sick scarab]

mha after maybe something can happens .. if not

who cares :9

[strange python]

oh these tornadoes are bulllshit

blizz hates melee so much

[crimson palm]

How's this channel still alive

[strange python]

its the sin waiting room

[balmy condor]

Less of a sin waiting room

More of a 10.0 waiting room

[visual storm]

!bis

[prisma monolith]

Whispyrs Bis list: http://tiny.cc/76r5tz

[strange python]

these upper m+ dungeons are just bullet hell

[rigid mango]

Sin chat feels like sub post-zul

[balmy condor]

True

:(

[vestal wren]

we just need to send this to blizz:

[toxic tusk]

We’re sinners.

[jovial verge]

Not even the fun kind >.>

[toxic tusk]

On the plus side, I ran normal Castle last night and beat our quite a few people on dps. Because they died. Fuck them.

[cold rampart]

kyrian or night fae??

[jovial verge]

I've been doing really well in terms of DPS for assas rogue on normal, lots of high parses and beating out people but then I think wow I could be doing more with less effort if I played something not garbonzo

[frail fossil]

link parse

i wanna pog

[real bay]

[jovial verge]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/53930603#difficulty=3&boss=2402

Not sure if that works, this is my highest atm

Its my first time raiding so be gentle >.<

highest relative to other assassin rogues that is 4head

[frail fossil]

i aint flaming no one playing sin

[jovial verge]

yeah haha

all my parses are basically that because no one is playing, providing I don't die early or something

[frail fossil]

did u die early on shriekwing ?

[vestal wren]

Assassination:

[jovial verge]

Not on normal, it was literally my first time in a raid so I was just terrible and heroic sherik is the same lol

[vestal wren]

nothing changed with relative balance, just updated it for the 5% buff

[frail fossil]

yeah on hc i mean

[jovial verge]

It was my first every HC raid, so I was trying not to fuck up more than anything haha

[frail fossil]

yeah i died too on shriekwing first kill

ngl i do not appreciate that boss very much

[jovial verge]

For a first time fight I liked it, it had clear mechanics to work around which I thought was nice

[stuck tartan]

any good trinkets I should be aware of? in M and raid

[frail fossil]

plaguefall trinket

[alpine garden]

Why does Blizz want me to go sub 😦

[wraith patio]

Cause blizz hate us

[main wharf]

I embrace sin not being top dog

[stuck tartan]

Learn to weaponize despair

I use me own tears to drown the bosses in saltyness

[alpine garden]

That sounds like Outlaw talk

[stuck tartan]

Outlaw is fine wtf why are they crying

not enough pirates?

[alpine garden]

No you just sounded like a pirate

[stuck tartan]

ah

Trust me, even tho I like the pirate stuff, outlaw and me are mortal enemies

[alpine garden]

I haven't played combat since vanilla

[stuck tartan]

Me since wotlk

I mean, I tried it on Legion, but after 2 dungeons getting only 1 buff per roll the bones, I hated it

[vocal cloud]

i last touched combat during SoO

[frail kiln]

Honestly I'm so baffled by their class balance this patch, Outlaw is not only the highest ST but also the highest AoE/Cleave among the three specs based on wcl. They completely threw class identity out of the window this patch.

[real bay]

assa got gutted by loss of bfa borrowed power

some specs not so much

[stuck tartan]

lucid dreams

[real bay]

didnt think i'd miss bfa but SS and EB gone hurts

[prisma monolith]

Whispyrs Bis list: http://tiny.cc/76r5tz

[strange python]

hey can someone explain the 0 in the talent pinned

i assume it means to not select a talent

but i dont really udnerstand

kind of confused

[stoic idol]

presume 0 means any

[strange python]

so then

any of the three presented is ok

is that what u mean

[stoic idol]

most talent trees have a few optionals usually defensives, its fine to pick w/e

[strange python]

i see

thanks i guess