lmaooo
#assassination
outer lodge
shadow tulip
Class was neglected all through alpha & beta like none other
balmy condor
It’s still blizzard we’re talking about
spare sail
Join the dark side, go outlaw
mossy sable
So should Sin be playableish now?
grizzled jay
no
balmy condor
No
jaunty arrow
This feel like we know assa exist but we dont care, remind me feral dudu 
dry chasm
i still prefer
mossy sable
Damn
grizzled jay
not in serious content
dry chasm
outlaw
sudden canyon
dry chasm
at all
shadow tulip
Join the dark side, go outlaw
Already did. Played it for m+ majority if bfa
mossy sable
Welp sticking to Outlaw then
marble hemlock
it puts it slightly less behind other classes that are deemed viable by the wider raiding community
dry chasm
sub is bad
austere flame
What legendary do I want for Sin? Zoldyck is basically always listed as the best but I only benfit during execute phases. The other one being listed is dashing scoundrel. Is the extra 1 energy/crits any better ot should I just stick with Zoldyck?
dry chasm
kekw
marble hemlock
but i dont think anyone is gonna be happy that youre playing assa instead of sub or outlaw in raid
balmy condor
What legendary do I want for Sin? Zoldyck is basically always listed as the best...
Dashing is better single target, zoldyck is the all-around
mossy sable
but i dont think anyone is gonna be happy that youre playing assa instead of sub...
Damn
marble hemlock
dashing or doomblade are both fine for singletarget, esp if you need damage at the beginning/middle of a fight. if that doesnt matter, or the fight requires execute damage, then zoldyck is your best bet
jaunty arrow
Imagine kill sludge hc with assa in raid :pepeclown-1:
marble hemlock
assa is pretty decent for sludge actually
still trash, but not as bad as on other fights
jaunty arrow
But still bad
austere flame
Well, it looks like they are pretty close in DPS so I suppose I'll do the all around so I can do M+, PvP and raiding without needing a ton of different legendaries
balmy condor
Tbh I’m looking at huntsman
marble hemlock
why do you think assa is so good on huntsman?
first thing coming to me for that fight would be sub burst for shades
balmy condor
First thing coming to mind for me is the consistent 2 target
Are shades that much of an issue?
marble hemlock
assa doesnt really have
consistent 2target
unless you count an extra garrote+rupture at the cost of prio dmg 2target
outlaw is much better for 2t than assa imo
austere flame
Are shades that much of an issue?
It looks like they get stacks per CC applied. When we did it last night we used both turtle and hunter trap so they got stacks SUPER quick. We may be able ot add sleep for even more
balmy condor
Sure outlaw will pump
somber bison
isnt second bear away from melee anyway
marble hemlock
ye
balmy condor
But sub definitely doesn’t fair as good
marble hemlock
youd prolly run sub for shade dmg, or outlaw for teddies
balmy condor
And at least you’re getting energy off that rup garrote
marble hemlock
depending on what your raid needs
sand otter
i find 2-3 target boss fight cleave especially more fun/easier with law. sadly. its very tough to maintain on 2 to 3 targets for raids
marble hemlock
sure, but you cant really convert that energy into more st
weve had the same situation on jaina in bod
balmy condor
Yeah
marble hemlock
where dotting tide elemental wasnt really a gain on jaina at all
ember oasis
all the need to do to fix the spec is add crimson tempest to the venomous wounds procs
balmy condor
That really doesn’t do what you think it does
jaunty arrow
Nope
somber bison
eeeeh no
finite oxide
so why is nightstalker not good anymore
balmy condor
Because it doesn’t do anything
finite oxide
doesn't it empower our garrotes
strange python
just give us ss with 3 combo points
fallow otter
outlaw is much better for 2t than assa imo
sin was good at 2t cleave previously, i really havent played sin since gcd locked expedient - i guess no SS hit this aswell
strange python
im gucci
balmy condor
That’s subterfuge
finite oxide
I thought that was the meta at one point
strange python
How significant is that
somber bison
does that crit snap to the garrote ?
shadow tulip
Analogy just poped into my head. Ya'll know how this feels? If you'd be a homeless begging on the street and someone tosses you a dollar...
strange python
Theoretically
balmy condor
Not very
jaunty arrow
Its like nothing
balmy condor
Analogy just poped into my head. Ya'll know how this feels? If you'd be a homele...
And they say thank you and you move on with your life
fallow otter
How significant is that
5%
strange python
damn dude
fallow otter
facts are facts
balmy condor
does that crit snap to the garrote ?
Not sure what the question is here, are you talking about snapshotting?
frigid kestrel
stoic needle
Wait are they seriously only buffing us 5%
stoic needle
marble hemlock
sin was good at 2t cleave previously, i really havent played sin since gcd locke...
the jump from 1t to 2t dps overall, and to the prio target, was much smaller than it was for a variety of other specs
stoic needle
Well I'll see y'all next expansion
marble magnet
What would % is preferable
topaz bridge
100%
marble hemlock
assa was good on st already, so it felt good on 2t still. but it didnt do meaningful dmg at all compared to a bunch of other specs or classes
outside of ss that is. and even with SS active, outlaw would still trump assa on 2t and 3t
balmy condor
What would % is preferable
10% would’ve made a decent dent
marble magnet
I asked a month ago. And I was told 15%
fallow otter
its more about sub feeling bad from my perspective i think
stoic needle
Why the tinfoil?
marble hemlock
10-12% wouldve been fine
balmy condor
15% would make it better than other specs
fallow otter
but thats where celerity will come in i think
stoic needle
Yeah I have no desire to play sub long term
shadow tulip
10% would’ve made a decent dent
I'd be ok with 10...
fallow otter
for 2t
marble hemlock
it wouldve been enough to put it somewhere in the lower half of the specs but higher up, with the execute niche giving it viability in a few raid encounters
ember oasis
well, the gap between sin to sub is a 41% gap; shouldnt our increase be way more even than 10-15?
balmy condor
:>
strange python
i need 25%
balmy condor
well, the gap between sin to sub is a 41% gap; shouldnt our increase be way more...
It’s not 41%
dry chasm
5% is nothing
sand otter
^
sand otter
it will bring sin from C tier to like a B-
fallow otter
"As we test, the above are subject to change before Tuesday. If we do have further changes, we'll update here as soon as possible."
marble hemlock
5% also isnt 5%, considering it doesnt affect meleeswings :^)
marble magnet
Everyone got 5%. So there might be a chnce of more
balmy condor
Do we know that for sure
marble hemlock
its ability dmg
shadow tulip
it will bring sin from C tier to like a B-
#cancelSylv btw
balmy condor
Yeah not sure how much I believe it tbh
marble hemlock
for the same reason it doesnt affect trinkets or didnt affect essences
sand otter
😛
balmy condor
I’m always sus of blizzard when they say “all damage” or “all ability damage”
Cause idk, they seem to use that a bit interchangeably
dry chasm
narokuu
marble hemlock
yeah
dry chasm
top
shadow tulip
You've got issues in the tower
sand otter
lets wait till Tuesday to see what they actually do, and put IN the game
marble hemlock
not like blizz is super aware of the terminology they use for everything
stoic needle
Where did we get this 5% from, anyone have patch notes
spring musk
need to make mutliate hit like a truck like it used to, more satisfying to press
Wet noodle button presses
balmy condor
Anyway here’s a picture of my cat vibing with his 5%
balmy condor
Where did we get this 5% from, anyone have patch notes
Wowhead has them
stiff harbor
+5% damuch increase, gz guys
shadow tulip
KITTIEEE
balmy stump
are we back?
summer marten
For abilities only... and spec deals like 40% with autoattacks
hybrid crystal
is 5% dmg ability increase more like 3-4% overall dps increase? since i think we have quite a lot of white dmg in our dmg breakdown?
balmy condor
are we back?
No
sand otter
its not going to be enough
balmy condor
is 5% dmg ability increase more like 3-4% overall dps increase? since i think we...
If they just tune the aura, yes
sand otter
Sub will still crush single and law will cleave better
hybrid crystal
hazy pendant
is this 5% april fools joke or they are just trolling ?
marble hemlock
And the top specs down
well, the top melee spec 
sand otter
im staying law
balmy condor
well, the top melee spec <:Kekw:626411240012644403>
True 
sand otter
until they massively rework/fix things
balmy condor
Ranged fine
sand otter
WTB Lich king rotation/palystyle
marble hemlock
cant have a melee ahead of boomy/sp/mm when theyre already considered broken 😄
shadow tulip
cant have a melee ahead of boomy/sp/mm when theyre already considered broken 😄
And it was predicted months ago
fleet whale
where is 5% buff proof?
marble hemlock
thats never a problem as assa
balmy condor
where is 5% buff proof?
wdym
fleet whale
idk i was scrolling up
shadow tulip
Wowhead
balmy condor
its on wowhead
fleet whale
oh lol
balmy condor
and everywhere
finite oxide
I'm going to take sin to sun king, just to spite blizzard
marble hemlock
spec is so simple in raid, you can just have details cover half your screen so you see all 30 heroic raiders on it, so you always see yourself too!
fleet whale
yeah, the fact they gave 5% to all underperforming specs
shows blizz does not truly know how bad sin is
the 5% buff for havoc
means much more than the 5% buff for sin
finite oxide
it's not final
somber bison
spec is so simple in raid, you can just have details cover half your screen so y...
yeah and sort it bottom up
fleet whale
i told you all, blizz buffing havoc is much simpler than blizz buffing sin
shadow tulip
I wouldn't hold my breath for more
My lungs are not that good tho. Have asthma...
main tundra
How can you say it's ignored when it's been the best spec for the past 2 expansions excluding TOS and Zul
balmy condor
well that's why you shouldn't hold your breath
marble hemlock
anyone expecting a proper rework or even meaningful and well-thought out buff to assa was delusional, honestly. with both outlaw and sub being viable in all pve content, as well as doing well in pvp, theres little reason to put limited design and balancing resources towards the 3rd dps spec of a pure-dps class
balmy condor
How can you say it's ignored when it's been the best spec for the past 2 expansi...
because it was bad all of beta, and there's core fundemental issues with things like talents that are glossed over constantly
fleet whale
especially since said spec has like 100 players
prisma yoke
the other day you said that sin would require a 15% buff.
is 5% worth to play already?
marble hemlock
especially when you need 2-3 people to prepare the next 3 shadowpreist reworks already
main tundra
5% of nothing is still nothing 
frigid kestrel
Making my Sin Legos tonight as a testament to my faith in Blizz. They will in fact make sin great again. I see the light. 

fleet whale
they didn't carry a single bfa power over for sin in SL
prisma yoke
the word is "flaccid"
shadow tulip
Making my Sin Legos tonight as a testament to my faith in Blizz. They will in fa...
RUN! That's the train!
fleet whale
sin wasn't even that good in pre patch lol
marble hemlock
assa already didnt do great in prepatch
fleet whale
it was middle at best
marble hemlock
as it was heavily carried by expedient
marble hemlock
most of us
fallow otter
anyone expecting a proper rework or even meaningful and well-thought out buff to...
yeh this is my stance, im hopeful they do more for it so it can be played at least, but not holding my breath - we have 2 good specs
marble hemlock
called it probably
fleet whale
and that was due to azerite and shit
strange python
15% even
main forge
We did shit in prepatch. After corruption was gone we were crap
balmy condor
15% would've been too much
balmy condor
a lot of people would've
marble hemlock
assa barely needs to be middle of the pack to be the go-to raiding spec for a lot of people, especially now that we have a good blindside talent and zoldyck back
strange python
15% would've made it even with sub maybe and close to competing with sub in pvp
fleet whale
i'm leveling havoc tbh, having more fun playing as havoc ironically
fallow otter
our dots actually need to do dmg imo give them more dmg maybe make shiv do tb amp
marble hemlock
a lot of the fights in nathria would be good assa fights even if it was ~5-7% behind the other rogue specs
it would most likely still perform better than both
fleet whale
nathria seems pure outlaw raid to me
sand otter
if sin sims lower tan others by 5% i can keep up
fleet whale
but you are right sin would likely be better than sub
strange python
had first
sand otter
just becuse the spec is engraved in memory
marble hemlock
plenty of fights with downtimes or cleave opportunities
fallow otter
people greatly overvalue the tb -> shiv nerf
sure at the moment while our dots do nothing
fleet whale
sub actually isn't fairing that well in nathria
balmy condor
tb did pretty much nothing through bfa either
balmy condor
also true
marble hemlock
wps barely puts shiv back to tb levels of power
and tb was pretty big in bfa when you ran ttk
but without envenom chonking a bit harder, it sucks, i agree
fallow otter
+blood amp
balmy condor
to put it in perspective, the 5% we just got, is more damage than tb was
fallow otter
sin dmg profile itself feels off to me
balmy condor
like tb isn't some giga-damage buff
visual token
Wait, there was a buff?!
main forge
Going to love seeing my white hits and poisons do more damage.
balmy condor
Wait, there was a buff?!
5%
visual token
Oooooo
fleet whale
no not yet
balmy condor
on the 15th, yes
fallow otter
wheres that welcome message
main forge
Fuck add 10% and it might be viable.
bright sand
fleet whale
7.5% buff
visual token
I just do not want to feel like a potato in raid.
main forge
I want to carry people not be carried.
fleet whale
Havoc auto attack damage split... 13.5%
prisma yoke
did CN normal mode today as sub. didnt feel good at all
sand otter
so real talk for a second, could blizzard ACTUALLY balance all dps specs to sim the same numbers, and players choose specs based on fun?
not just rogue, but all classes
grave mist
lmao asking that from a multi dollar company ^
sand otter
fleet whale
blizz isn't going to care about sin all expac long
unless if we find a bugged interaction that makes us good
the buff might make it decent in pvp
but that's it
main forge
Small indie development company.. they only have 3 people working on class balance.
prisma yoke
if classes did all the same damage then people would pick based on utility/raid synergy
rustic juniper
what's the deal with people using doomblade leggo? seeing more than a few top parses rocking it
balmy condor
its good single target
sand otter
i imagine by week 10, most people will ahve rank 2 or 3 leggos for single target and cleave
or even utility
deep wharf
is assassin going to be good now?
sand otter
getting prepared into the next raid tier
deep wharf
@balmy condor
sand otter
hasnt been good since caty 
balmy condor
<@!167090536602140682>
what
fleet whale
sin best case scenario after buff is niche spec on sire with zoldyck
grave mist
i went through 100 messges to catch up and i saw someone say a buff to our dots would be nice i agree....would you know make it feel more sin like from before
fleet whale
brought specifically for execute and if sire has downtime
so maybe you'll see one rogue on Limit run sin for M sire
and Sub will be like "see, sin is amazing still"
sand otter
i was getting decent at sin last expac, (entire expac was shit sadly) i worked so hard to "get good" at my rotation and then just derped out of existence
method doestn exist anymore
they are called Echo now xD
fleet whale
ok, limit
rancid palm
I loved sin back in Antorus. Was my main for so long and could do so much dmg
Method exists. Sco re made it
viral locust
Is 5% good enough to not be dogshit now boys?
sand otter
yeah legion it was great too, but i didn't get to play past emerald nightmare sadly
balmy condor
Is 5% good enough to not be dogshit now boys?
no
fleet whale
in pvp maybe
grave mist
nope
viral locust
Damn.
fleet whale
in pve no, niche spec at best
viral locust
Back to being a lame ass pirate. I'll pray for us.
fleet whale
unlikely blizz even pays attention to sin after this buff
marble hemlock
The 5% buff is not enough to put Assassination in a position where it is more competitive than it was previously, as the gap was too large to be overcome by a 5% aura buff. 
If there are future buffs that further increase its damage, it might be viable in execute scenarios thanks to Blindside/Zoldyck.
marble hemlock
The 5% buff is not enough to put Assassination in a position where it is more co...
fleet whale
is blindside even that amazing for execute, doesn't ep eventually take over it
sand otter
he hath spoken
fleet whale
especially since there really isn't any synergy with zoldyck and blindside
somber bison
marble hemlock
doesnt have to be. the extra cp gain is pretty significant
leading to much higher envenom uptime, which directly benefits zoldyck
marble hemlock
its one of the big issues with assa currently, the lack of cp gen
both on st and aoe
low critrates and targetcapped fok sure did a number on assa
void pecan
marble hemlock
the fok aoe cap is the one im most angry about
fleet whale
yeah fok aoe cap blows, since fok cp generation relies on seal fate
marble hemlock
when you need 50% crit to get 5cp consistently
balmy condor
but the crit hurts more imo
marble hemlock
thats just trash
fleet whale
and it isn't really 5% across the board
marble hemlock
30mob pull, fok, 1cp. fok, 2cp.
fleet whale
autos attacks aren't buffed
balmy condor
are you actually pulling 30 mobs though
marble hemlock
i liked teh fok conduit a lot when both the crit and dmg scaled with level
balmy condor
there's no tol beach
balmy condor
I agree, katar is shit
marble hemlock
there are plenty of 8-10t pulls for sure
fleet whale
"poison Katar"
fleet whale
conduit has nothing to do with poisons
marble hemlock
i still think
balmy condor
would've been fine if katar scaled crit more imo
marble hemlock
poisoned katar was supposed to be poison knives from legion
but somewhere someone said "nah, this is cooler"
fleet whale
poison katar, is a homeless man's version of EB
marble hemlock
not that i think poison knives was good
fleet whale
or a homeless man's version of PK
marble hemlock
it was a slightly less shitty version of echo
fleet whale
they should have made PK baseline
mastery should only buff poisons again, have bleeds have higher ap values
so mastery can actually ramp up
marble hemlock
frankly, im disappointed theres only 4 potency conduits for each spec
couldve easily come up with 1-2 more to give a bit more variety based on content
fleet whale
blizz clearly doesn't want potency conduits to be all that important
marble hemlock
dont have to be important, just give some flexibility
or atleast dont make us fucking choose between st and aoe for the 3rd expansion in a row as assa
marble hemlock
well, thats cause the potencies are still low ilvl
once theyre higher, theyll outperform the soulbinds
but most specs get non-conditional dps improvements
assa always has to pick
fleet whale
havoc has that immo aura thing
marble hemlock
between st and aoe
fleet whale
both a st and aoe boost
marble hemlock
where 2 conduits are totally useless on aoe
fleet whale
sub has the symbols thing
marble hemlock
1 is totally useless on st
fleet whale
again both aoe and st
i guess it's the "class fantasy" for assassination
to do aoe, you have to sacrifice all your st
outer lodge
On logs it looks like for the majority of bosses most people going subterfuge over MA?
balmy condor
yes
lot of people are used to sub, and it's better on anything that has more than 1 target
in single target is competitive as well
versed plaza
with buff on assa at 15/12 is viable this spec or sub/out is always better ?
versed plaza
sigh , i love assa , i think is a beatiful spec
dim mirage
!viable ?
dim mirage
oh i was meming
balmy condor
I honestly can't tell it apart anymore
dim mirage
❤️
vale quest
big buffs assasin good after next week?
balmy condor
pins guys
strange python
no
5% slap in the face
at the end of the day with same ilvl sub has higher ceiling and floor
fleet whale
again, the fact they just gave 5% flat to all these specs shows that blizz doesn't really understand why specs like sin is bad
havoc will likely be middle of the pack now
sin will still be on the bottom
strange python
sin needs complete talent rework
the foundation is fine
talents are 2 xpacs outdated
strange python
im just tired of sub already. brain dead spec
fallow otter
lolwat
dense bramble
can you send the patch notes link please??
strange python
in pve sub is faceroll
tribal lantern
Def disagree
fleet whale
i just don't find sub that fun, something about it puts me off
maybe it's the animations idk
strange python
like the min-max ceiling for sub requires some knowledge, but any idiot can parse 90%
fallow otter
in pve sub is faceroll
interesting perspective
balmy condor
its much more like that for sin
tribal lantern
^
fleet whale
sub is harder to learn for sure
tribal lantern
Sub is more difficult
fleet whale
but not that much to master past that
strange python
really?
balmy condor
yes
strange python
i think sub is easy now
strange python
easier than it was in legion or bfa
balmy condor
and always has been
fallow otter
you can hit random buttons on sin and do decent dmg when its tuned lol
fleet whale
sin is easier, i'm just not a fan of sub's design
earnest harness
Imo Sin easiest spec by far
strange python
for pve you just need to know phases for bosses and when to pop sybmols and sd
the whole rotation
tribal lantern
from my perspective, coming from a warr main, that switched to rogue this excpac, sin was not that tough to get down. Sub, with the idea of maintaing debuffs and priority stuff
balmy condor
you can hit random buttons on sin and do decent dmg when its tuned lol
actually true, I did some opener APL logic a week ago, and after about an hour, everything was basically equal
tribal lantern
^
strange python
then again i guess (honestly) most rogue specs are easy af for raiding
m+ is the real challenge
fallow otter
actually true, I did some opener APL logic a week ago, and after about an hour, ...
kinda sad
in other news, who do i have to bang for some boots to drop
craggy wave
I can’t believe it’s only a 5% buff 😦
balmy condor
my boots are still blue
strange python
sub has highest pvp ceiling and not even close
balmy condor
lmao
fleet whale
@fallow otter Sylvanas
sand otter
my boots are also still blue
fallow otter
ok omw
strange python
pvp boots ftw
fleet whale
she's gonna chain you up though
balmy condor
my boots are also still blue
almost as blue as your parses
strange python
ez 183
fleet whale
so idk if you are into that
balmy condor
gottem
fallow otter
zinggg
sand otter
that hurt
balmy condor
its okay, we hit enrage on sun king yesterday
14:30 minutes btw
in case anyone was interested
fleet whale
long fight
balmy condor
I think we both know the answer
if we hit enrage
do you think we're good enough
for heroic
sand otter
but...
that means you are working on a harder difficulty
was giving you the benefit of the doubt lol
we are 5/10 on CN
balmy condor
yeah thanks for the wishful thinking XD
we're a fairly casual guild, and it boomed at the end of nyalotha
so
fallen slate
balmy condor
we went 6/10 on a 6 hour/week
fleet whale
if you bring some garlic
sand otter
nice
fleet whale
apparently sire just drops
sand otter
we are an hour and 45 minutes, twice a week
balmy condor
sand otter
99% of the guild works 55+ hours a week
balmy condor
that's not even worth logging in for tbh
sand otter
we cleared all of BFA on less than 4 hours a week
fallow otter
apparently sire just drops
it does
sand otter
thats just raid time
balmy condor
I don't even get off the couch for an hour and a half of anything
fleet whale
@balmy condor run 3 miles everyday
fleet whale
get the blood flowing in your legs
balmy condor
nah I'm good lmao
sand otter
now im under quarantine
sand otter
i miss shooting hoops
im bad at it but was fun to play OUT
or perhaps a game of HORSE
formal pier
its okay, we hit enrage on sun king yesterday
we were doing the exact same thing, had a healer just focus on kaelthas and next pull we finished in 7min
balmy condor
nah
the boss doesn't enrage
the room literally floods
with a massive torrent of adds
like an insane amount of adds
sand otter
hack the planet
fleet whale
i remember back in vanilla, to get the part of Atiesh in AQ40
guilds would remove some game files that allowed them to skip right to C'thuun
sand otter
doing that on live servers? dang
fallow otter
@fleet whale we 1 shot generals and 2shot sire with barely anyone knowing the fight and 30ppl for reference sludge was the only cockblock
fleet whale
yes
fallow otter
and wasnt the end of the world
fleet whale
a lot of them got banned though
fallow otter
but still overtuned lol
fallow otter
ye
balmy condor
hunt took us a bit
destroyer was quicker
we hit a bit of a wall on inerva
cause we had a lot of people missing
2 healing it was rough
sand otter
took a screencap of our first kill, right before it happened
our guild also does goofy stuff together
atomic gate
Hotfixes say the class tuning is happenign with regional restarts, which I believe are tomorrow morning
faint harness
Yes
sand otter
thought the page said on tuesday
shrewd pebble
it's saturday?
faint harness
Its monday
atomic gate
oh wait i assumed maintenance was the restart chance
atomic gate
So a regional restart is not maintanence?
hazy iron
5%
balmy condor
region restarts are tuesdays for na, and wednesdays for eu
balmy condor
why
sand otter
law is still better
balmy condor
that seems pretty good
balmy condor
outlaw is pretty easily the best rogue spec atm
balmy condor
unlucky
atomic gate
why the fuck are they putting tentative changes they are 'testing' in the hotfix notes
balmy condor
they aren't
atomic gate
unless of course they're just pushing them anyway without feedback and calling it
they already put em in the notes
balmy condor
yes
they have hotfixes
and in the same bluepost
they mention realm restarts
because they're not making a blue post every time there's a new tiny thing
faint harness
Shit tomorrow will be awesome, hyped for the race
balmy condor
or it'll be a mess push
sand otter
what race?
balmy condor
if this channel in the last hour is anything to show
world first race tomorrow, did you already forget its monday
faint harness
Gotta love a bit of meltdown action tho
balmy condor
I got this channel to be peaceful
for so long
and then one bluepost
and it all falls apart
love to see it
hazy iron
Unlucky m9
faint harness
swift sky
omg guys have u heard of the 5% sin buff?!?!?!!?
sand otter
LOL
swift sky
balmy condor
I'm doing maw achievements
fallow otter
i heard sin is actually bis with 34% crit
lusty mason
balmy condor
:)
hazy iron
Hey its not a matter of topping, it's a mattrr of not being bottom lol
fallow otter
imagine being an elf
balmy condor
so much for selfie
sand otter
turned on my name for the photo lmao
fallow otter
(im an elf)
sand otter
YES FOR U
fallow otter
actually trolling the ss
fallow otter
i feel like joining in the ss ill be honest
swift sky
no that stands for shadowstrike
balmy condor
shrouded suffocation
sand otter
Soup or salad
fallow otter
The “Schutzstaffel”
somber bison
Schutzstaffel
balmy condor
fallow otter
LOL
sand otter
im scared to google that
fallow otter
whisp did
balmy condor
my entire family is german
fallow otter
shameful to google then
balmy condor
grandparents lived through it
sand otter
ooooooooooooooooooooooo
balmy condor
fallow otter
lol
sand otter
never knew its full name
yeah my grandfather is from Munich
born there in 37, and moved here
fallow otter
really lacking motivation to get 5 souls from the maw on my 3rd toon
fallow otter
but i want that fat conduit
fallow otter
seems to be 100% drop in m+
fallow otter
whisp invite me
im coming for ss
i whisp u
where am i flying
vampire land
?
lol
balmy condor
I'm in the maw
finite oxide
master assassin does not feel good to play :(
unless I'm doing it wrong, but 3 seconds is such a tiny window considering how little mut burst there is
austere flame
So I'm looking to fix up my macro. My Goal is to have Ambush (only from blindside), mutilate and Garrote on one button. So far I have:
#showtooltip
/cast [nomod] Mutilate
/cast [mod:shift, bonusbar:1] Garrote; Ambush
Which works until I want to apply garrote out of stealth. I'm not sure how to weave that in. I'm starting ot think I just need ot make ambush a second modifier but I would like ot avoid that if possible. Any ideas?
balmy condor
!bs
prisma monolithBOT
Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message
balmy condor
gonna need seperate keys
austere flame
Alright, I think I'll set it up as:
#showtooltip
/cast [nomod] Mutilate
/cast [mod:shift] Garrote
/cast [mod:ctrl] Ambush
That way I can keep it all on one button and just use ctrl when it procs. I was worried about that but I know wow macros don't do situational stuff like buffs or health %. Thanks
balmy condor
np
radiant sandal
is sin rogue gonna be good with the buff?
balmy condor
no
gritty spoke
maybe if there's another 5% on top of it
sand otter
if we got 10% i would use it for raid
fleet whale
in terms of log ranking overall all bosses
fallow otter
if we got 10% i would use it for raid
make it another 10%
and everyone would
sand otter
But im too deep into law for M+ xD
fleet whale
it will probably be in front of frost mages, demo locks, and maybe fury, and possibly arcane post buff
but that's it
might be good in pvp after the buff though
sand otter
good enough for me
jade jewel
We getting a 5% damage increase wooooo!!!
fallow otter
whisp you allowed to fix the finality bug command? that shit is fixed now
fleet whale
how much you want to bet
that in 9.1, there will be another spriest and balance revamp
tough skiff
5% is enough tho?
fleet whale
it will be really good for torghast now
tough skiff
Sin need bigger boost
tough skiff
Make sure to post it as feedback on the forum those arent the final tweak for next week
balmy condor
fleet whale
not hunger for blood
sand otter
lololol
sand otter
i hated talent trees but i liked the feel of the rotation
sand otter
and loving being the top dog in ICC
fleet whale
hunger for blood was garbo though
and the rotation was even easier than it is now lol
and that bleed talent in the sin tree is a no no for wotlk
you didn't rupture back then except in T8, a warrior or ferals bleed worked for HFB
hazy ruin
jade jewel
I mean not enough but always happy to see early steps in the right direction; it’s like a soft a knowledgeable buff while they start treatment for the specs issues.
fleet whale
for a deep laceration
pine bone
so how is assassination looking compared to sub after this buff?
balmy condor
read pin
summer horizon
Well flip, I was hoping Blizzard would do more than just a basic 5% damage buff. Looks like I'm going to have to roll outlaw, bummer. 😦
dim yacht
when going into a fight with already 5 cp and subterfuge, is it worth it to ambush after garrote, or just spend the cp?
finite oxide
I did it. raided nathria on heroic as sin. one of apparently only like 44 people?
balmy condor
when going into a fight with already 5 cp and subterfuge, is it worth it to ambu...
going into a fight with 5cp, you would snd into a garrote mut rup
dim yacht
thank you
gritty yoke
So blizzard basically dropped assassin for nathria huh? those 5% wont do anything for the worst performing spec in the raid right now
balmy condor
For the first time ever a rogue spec is at the very end of a chart
someones gotta be there
tough skiff
someones gotta be there
Never expected to be a rogue. They killed my fav spec
sturdy void
Surv hunter is beating outlaw O.o
grizzled jay
It's literally unchanged. Just the SL systems don't scale it.
gritty yoke
surv is bait
surv log performance has a lot to do with there only being like 30 survival hunters
grizzled jay
Surv just has dedicated, high-skilled players
fleet whale
@grizzled jay sin being unchanged is a problem though. Especially when it relied on bfa stuff like SS and EB
grizzled jay
ready the back half of my sentence
fleet whale
yet havoc got furious gaze baseline, and the meta resetting eye beam thing baseline
echo gust
still need like
balmy condor
you weren't here for the shit show
balmy condor
5% more would've been fine
obtuse ruin
wish assa had an baseline aoe combo point spender
echo gust
if they give 11.5% we'd be on par with sub again
stoic needle
i managed to get 20 stack venthyr flagellation, slice n dice, and the nadija thrill seeker buff active at the same time. Sin actually felt good for about 15 seconds there. so much energy regen...
proven ferry
Do you guys think increasing all damage abilities by 5% will fix the problem of haste ?
balmy condor
there's already a pin
not sure why you think 5% damage will "fix the problem of haste" though
proven ferry
Yes, that’s 5% of total damage increase, isn’t it ?
balmy condor
it doesn't count melee hits
stoic needle
a little less because so much of our damage is white hits
proven ferry
That’s what I was thinking. This 5% buff(any buff is good) will not really make huge difference to sin rogue
balmy condor
correct
stoic needle
has a lot of our damage always been white hits? or is that just because our abilities suck
balmy condor
its mostly cause snd
stoic needle
like i just practiced on a dummy for 3 mins and 24% of my damage was white hits
proven ferry
I think our abilities suck tbh. Core rotation is good but they can remove SnD and buff alacrity little that would be much better
stoic needle
i'm not the most incredible sin player but this damage profile just seems kinda odd to me
90% garotte and rupture uptime because I was being greedy with shiv
fleet whale
what ilvl are you
stoic needle
185
fleet whale
yeah that seems really weird
i'm at like 180 ilvl, and melee is around 21%
sometimes even less, sometimes like 20 or 19%
stoic needle
what are your other abilities at
fleet whale
i am night fae however
stoic needle
on an earlier test where i had even better garotte and rupture uptime it was about the same ratio
fleet whale
so that may make a difference (mastery buff from sepsis, no haste from flag/nadijira so less auto attack damage)
stoic needle
maybe
i get roughly 10% haste every flag
I don't have enough haste on my gear either tbh I have a lot of vers/mast pvp gear
fleet whale
the verse will also buff auto attack damage
stoic needle
this is also with MA, and i totally forgot to vanish, so it could be better
fleet whale
MA leggo or MA talent
stoic needle
leggo
fleet whale
ok, wish there was a way to distinguish the two lol
stoic needle
right
idk, it just seems to me that either mut+envenom or garotte+rupture should be doing way more damage
"should" as in an ideal world where sin feels better
steep badger
whisp wots ur mathbrain think of the overall buff %, 5% of ability dmg = 3.5% overall ish?
balmy condor
closer to 4%
steep badger
mm
steep badger
well they did hedge it and say it could change
proven ferry
Yep
finite oxide
I mean I sim at 3300ish and...yeah...that's about how much
stoic needle
i'm just praying that they actually meant that and not just put it there to give us false hope
balmy condor
I'm at almost 3600 atm in sin
steep badger
well they did mean it, but that could mean they say 3% instead XD
balmy condor
which would go to maybe 3760ish
finite oxide
you're still no sin now? lol
finite oxide
😬
stoic needle
3000/3800 here (without lust)
finite oxide
that's so awful considering mut's best stat is sub's worst stat
balmy condor
mastery is sub's worst stat
balmy condor
increase finisher damage
stoic needle
mastery is good for sub for m+, no?
balmy condor
its better in m+ yes
river bloom
haven't been on since the hotfix, but how we looking with our 5% damage buff boys?
low girder
Class hotfixes aren't until reset, notes are just early
But to answer the question, still bad
finite oxide
What do not broken specs sim at in 185 gear? I'm still at 3300 but apparently switching to sub in same gear is around 3800
Ideal gear I should say
low girder
Depends petty heavily on some other stuff but at 192 I'm around 4400
As sub
Tbh I haven't checked sin
slender zephyr
Is 5% even noteworthy?
river bloom
Probably not lol
slender zephyr
rip
river bloom
i think 10-20% would of been better
warm olive
Well maybe the gap to fury will be small ... oh wait, he’s getting the same? :/
primal zinc
!bis
prisma monolithBOT
Whispyrs Bis list: http://tiny.cc/76r5tz
low girder
In a vacuum it might be noteworthy; as it is with the rest of the hotfixes, eh. Like the pin says, it won't change hierarchy at all. All it will do is shrink the gap a little between sin and the strong specs
Which may or may not be noteworthy depending on what you do
drifting imp
I wanna cry
slender zephyr
i really like assass, if it was viable 😦
vestal wren
add another 10% and ppl might play ass
the balance hotfixes are a joke
only dk was nerfed, none of the overperformers else and they buffed specs so carefully that they won't rly see a lot of changes in damage ranking
the assassination buff just means that the spec is now maybe on par with the 2nd worse spec
but they buffed that spec too by 5%
so no change
drifting imp
I don't wanna play sub 
real bay
hope they arent done before mythic like add more after the weekend if they have data
which they already had but decided 5% ok
sick scarab
agree outlaw is better all around.. sub is terrible it "only" do the damage but playing it terrible imho
i stick to sin anyway
real bay
blizz probably being overly careful to not overshoot
drifting imp
I hate outlaw even more
Yeah I don't know a gap of over 1,3k dps between sin an the other rogues... 'steve better put in that 5%, they're just too close to each other'
stoic needle
this just means they have a big rework planned for us and this small aura buff is taking that into account
right guys
right
fossil slate
TBF it's the start of them making changes, and they clearly say they'll continue to monitor it. There's not even mention of MM getting any changes when they're disgusting currently so there's still a possibility we'll see more going forward
bold ice
I'm hopeful that the 5% adds up...if it's 5% on every ability that's a decent start
balmy condor
not hotfix
its live on tuesday/wednesday restarts
that was our mythic tuning (so far
drifting imp
I'm so sad, this was the first thing I read after waking up and now my day is ruined
balmy condor
they specifically said that they're watching and will edit if they think there should be more
but I'm not sure we'll see much more for sin
bleak glacier
atleast it caught their attention like "yo this shit weak"
good step in the right direction i suppose
low girder
Nerf balance kthx
real bay
a monkey couldve slapped a better suited buff for sin
see the lowest spec, hmm well i think 5% will do
fossil slate
It's better to go up in smaller increments then just overbuff it have everyone go fotm then deal with community backlash when they have to dial it back, at least imo
real bay
true
5% to fury and assa just moves them up a little, everyone else is still miles up
still the worst specs
sweet pecan
balmy condor
pins
bold ice
My grind came to an end earlier
Every single pvp piece acquired and upgraded to 184
Was working from home and was able to defend my way to like 30k honor in epic bgs the past two days
stable urchin
Oho 5% buff for sin 😅
real bay
strange python
I just want to play sin and multi dot
and btw. I just messed up with my Linux machine yesterday, have to re-download WoW again what a day
5% 🙃
balmy condor
would depend what replaces CT in that slot
stoic needle
they could rip something from torghast. i like that power that makes ambush apply rupture
what would you put there
our cleave would be kinda good with poison bomb and ct at the same time.... maybe?
balmy condor
idk
stoic needle
could give sin a niche with an uncapped aoe
stoic needle
I'm sad I never got to play with EB in its prime
strange python
So sub would be ST, outlaw for cleave and Sin for aoe?
proper sage
They should add a new baseline ability to sin
Something where you can roll a die and it adds 1 of 6 random poisons to a target
You could call it roll the poison
balmy condor
distant cypress
What a huge buff guys! whole 5 %! My favourite spec is getting some love! RIGHT? I-it's gonna be fi-fine right? This is just a wake up call to perform better with our skill not just numbers r-right ?