assassination

[restive spire]

shrouded suffocation and twist the knife stacking :((

F

[storm forum]

F

[gray oriole]

do you guys think pod tender is the best from night fae for arena

[restive spire]

we really went from kingsbane to shrouded suffocation to auto attack bots

[fleet whale]

that's what happens when a spec hasn't gotten significant attention since like mop probably

[storm forum]

life sucks

[fleet whale]

spec was held up with borrowed power

blizz did little about it going to sl

[balmy condor]

Maybe ask the #pvp guys

[restive spire]

i feel like spriest gets a massive overhaul twice an xpac

[tame slate]

It's just unfortunate that blizz didn't let Assa keep Kingsbane like some other specs

[storm forum]

sin should have gotten kingsbane as a talent

[fleet whale]

blizz brought back poison bomb instead

[balmy condor]

Sepsis, tb, kingsbane

[fleet whale]

and dreadlord's deceit lol

[balmy condor]

All the same

[tame slate]

KB should have been baseline imo

[storm forum]

we might only be 10% behind sub if we had that

[fleet whale]

SnD with Kingsbane actually would be nice

[restive spire]

it would actually give snd a good interaction

rather than a press and forget that ends up being almost half of your damage

[storm forum]

any chance that blizzard gives sin a buff before nathria? Just like slap on a +20% energy recharge to SnD or something? Or are we just going to be the surv to sub's BM this tier?

[restive spire]

outlaw does have a gun 🤔

[tame slate]

Inb4 Assa somehow becomes good with later soulbinds and then blizz be like "See, it's fine"

[restive spire]

its probably going to happen honestly

[drifting cloud]

it really wont with current numbers

[restive spire]

one patch could change that tho

look at 8.3 to 9.0

[main forge]

where we went from heros to zeros

[shadow tulip]

Real quick

[storm forum]

hey with sepsis, am I supposed to save it for vendetta or just use it on CD?

[warm parcel]

Just cast it

[storm forum]

thanks

[iron spruce]

Just a heads up

Sub in Dungeons with anima boosts

is terrible

*without

[sour citrus]

Yep, running with Subter, will do as you have prescribed 🙂 Thank you

[rustic juniper]

Any advice on how to use serated bone spike in my rotation? Is it just put upthe debuff and that's it?

[balmy condor]

in single target, recast it for lbe with emeni, or just whenever for the cp

[strange python]

any significant dps differences between specs? t. returning assass lover

[balmy condor]

between covenants or specs?

specs there's a huge difference

sin is 15% behind in single target, 30% in aoe

[strange python]

damn

[split hound]

Am sub main, but looking to keep my options open for sin. How is NF looking for sin?

[balmy condor]

all the covenants are good

[ashen anvil]

good night folks i would like to know the status order for assassination

[balmy condor]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[balmy condor]

can be found in the guide

[ashen anvil]

vok thx

ok*

[gaunt aspen]

is covenent on that too?

yes it is

ignore me

[balmy condor]

[gaunt aspen]

does covenent choice matter much in pvp at this stage?

[balmy condor]

who knows

probably not that much

[gaunt aspen]

leveling an alt and gonna gank the shit out of people questing

[dark token]

kyrian seems BONKERS for pvp actually

does crazy instant dmg

its like a drest trinket

[balmy condor]

and then there's people who say night fae seems bonkers for the cheap shot

and then there's people who say necro seems strong for the shield

and then we're back to square one

[delicate bone]

Kyrian is pretty nuts for pvp though, messing around in arenas and numerous times I was able to one shot someone and they ended up with 0 dmg after the game lol

Couldn’t even play the game

[shadow tulip]

As it should be

[deft vault]

Whats our opener looking like ? Gar ambush Gar Sng Mut Mut rup ?

[balmy condor]

with subt you gar ambush snd mut rup

[deft vault]

then vendetta?

[balmy condor]

ye vend/coven

into shiv and pump

[north brook]

Sorry to be annoying as I'm sure this has been asked 1000 times, but what is currently the best spec for M+? Really enjoy assassination Rogue but if the damage is that awful compared to the others I might consider switching it up

[balmy condor]

outlaw/sub both have their pros/cons

sin is really bad

[north brook]

that sucks, ass rogue is fun af

if I'm looking to do mid range-high keys kinda casually should I just choose whichever I find most fun between sub/outlaw do you reckon?

[balmy condor]

should be able to do any key you want with either spec

[north brook]

awesome, cheers for the help!

[balmy condor]

my pleasure

[dawn merlin]

considering not crafting a legendary until mythic week tbh

in case sin sees some buffs

[grizzled jay]

i don't think we even can until mythic week anyways lol

[dawn merlin]

ah, thought we could next reset

[loud hearth]

So been away for a while military services but what’s the best covient for assassination for pve is it the night one?

[grizzled jay]

next reset we get another 610 which puts us at 1420 but we need to give the Runecarver 1250. so unless some follow-up quest gives us that 1250 back, we can't .

[bleak glacier]

what is mythic week

[balmy condor]

2 weeks from now

[fair sky]

Hello there! Does anyone know if the dmg of kidney shot (internal bleeding talent) scales with the anima CP from echoing reprimand?

[balmy condor]

No

Has to be a baseline damaging finishing move as far as I’m aware

Kidney/slice wouldn’t work

[fair sky]

alright, thanks 🙂

[balmy condor]

Np

[bleak glacier]

any videos out there that show shroud shortcuts in SL dungeons?

couldn’t find any at all

[dark token]

bruv its day 3 we dont know the % count for m+ yet haha

it depends on % count

[balmy condor]

We know counts from beta

That stuffs been tested

[bleak glacier]

fair enough

[balmy condor]

But there hasn’t been an established meta yet until the masses go at it

So no like “here are skips you must know”

[bleak glacier]

been fucking around with it on necrotic wake, can skip most the trash after first boss

[shell ivy]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[sudden canyon]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[magic thorn]

Im starting to level a 2nd rogue now, would you guys rather play 1 assa 1 sub or go with different convenants?

[gilded imp]

best cov for aoe?

[scenic tulip]

Anyoen can help me understand what a animacharge is 😛

[willow vine]

When you press echoing reprimand, one of your combo points is gonna look different from the others

That’s the animacharged combo point

If it’s the second one and you cast a two combo point envenom, it’ll hit as if it was 7 CP

[south drum]

!trinket

[scenic tulip]

@willow vine ty thats cool

[modest geode]

!bis

[pulsar zealot]

@modest geode

[plush shore]

How does Assassination look like it's going to hold up in M+?

[warm drift]

Not at the moment.

Assa is currently undertuned in st and aoe

[rare blaze]

We currently all Renown 3, right? We can't get to 4 yet?

[lost sentinel]

are people enjoying assassination at least? I am wondering since I may switch back especially if they get buffed

[summer marten]

no

[lost sentinel]

shrouded suffocation was one of the things that made sin fun for me

[summer marten]

Pretty much yea. With SS it would be acceptable

[unreal cedar]

any advice for playing assa in shadowlands? my guild members are laughing at me for doing no damage but i feel like my playstyle hasnt changed

[summer marten]

it is very undertuned at the moment

[unreal cedar]

yeah i thought so

i had a hard time killing 4 mobs at once while leveling

felt really bad

[summer marten]

in my mostly haste gear i sim 600dps more just going with sub and changing nothing else

[unreal cedar]

yeah i played a little bit of sub just now and just did more damage

when i have no good understanding of the spec

[acoustic needle]

!STATS

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[warm olive]

i know it should go in #pvp, but nobody is answering there. has anyone had some experiences with assassination in pvp? is it getting stomped as well or is it viable to some degree?

[tough skiff]

bye all. SL killed Assasin, switched to outlaw, feels better

[heavy vessel]

Was fun /s keeping track of all the breeds in multiple mobs and pushing out every last bit of damage in dungeons only to be barely above the tank in damage. Love assassination but it’s time to find some swords 😦

[sour fractal]

are there any macro's for the assasination rogue?

[real bay]

doubt assa stays this bad for long

like stuff isn't balanced yet

[sour fractal]

ah okay thank you

[urban marsh]

maybe, but sub stayed bad for a long time in bfa

i dont have high hopes that they're gonna fix sin

[sour fractal]

i main assasination

[real bay]

assa is in a better place than arms, imo, just needs numbers up, arms feels like dog shit

numbers tuning won't fix that

[urban marsh]

well, I still dont like snd tho

[real bay]

same

[urban marsh]

with snd it feels like I cant envenom ever

when I finally have rupture, garrote and snd up, its time to refresh them

[delicate trench]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[slow tulip]

same was with sub in BFA

the rotation was ok etc but the numbers werent there

now assa is on that spot

[frail oak]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[glacial haven]

hey guys should i wait for bleeds to drop or i can reapply them like locks can?

[urban marsh]

u can reapply them when they reach 30% of their duration

prolly like locks can

Slice and Dice as well

[drowsy nimbus]

there is what we call pandemic that is basically a timing where you can refresh DoTs/HoTs/buffs etc before they expire and the remaining duration/ticks will add onto the next one

[winter flicker]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[tough skiff]

Assassin need a rework or big buff, it shined on BfA thanks to azerite traits, specially for multi target

[plain thistle]

nah, it doesnt need a rework, it work just fine

just weak right now

[gleaming geyser]

they could yeet the old envenom refreshes S&D

that'd be nice

[past jolt]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[restive spire]

idk even with better numbers snd feels wrong for ass

i really liked the class fantasies of ss and bleeding everything with crimson tempest or ramping up combo points for massive envenoms with twist the knife

even if numbers are better an aa based spec doesnt feel like youre assassinating anything

[main forge]

Is anyone else having issues dying more often? Like I am encountering rogue as like classic and bc levels of dying, where if I pull two mobs, I can't handle it sometimes.

Also how do I get the recuperate pickpocket items?

I don't like SND but they need to remove the combo points and just make it a CD for assassination.

[restive spire]

yeah i drop to like 1/3rd hp off of pulling 2 things also

no defensive azerite traits

theres a reason why they removed the ability idk why they thought putting old unused or unfun abilities back in the game was a good idea after spending the better part of 8 years focusing on giving specs identity and class fantasy

another core problem is alacrity being a must pick when exsangsuinate and venom rush fit the feel of the spec infinitely more and offer engaging unique playstyles

[left relic]

Feels so bad playing sis rn 😰😭

Rerolled on my ret this morning 😂

[restive spire]

its been 3 days and im still not used to needing to snd before rupturing anything lmao

it feels wrong

now that sub has poisons and rupture idek wtf im doing here 😂

[hardy tundra]

what should i pick on my kyrian sanctum reservoir?

[royal lantern]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[scenic thunder]

Its worth to use Blindside?Since we now have lower haste we can't maintain elaborate planning 100% uptime, what you guys think?

[fleet whale]

I will say assassination is godly in Torghast lol

the powers it can get are actually insane

[marble hemlock]

Its also better whenever you actually need to kite

Since both outlaw and sub need melee uptime to deal any sort of dmg

While Assa can just bleed up, kite, weave back in etc.

[lyric crater]

yo what covenant best for assasstion again?

[fleet whale]

they are all kind of equal, but i guess Kyrian is the most well rounded

[woeful wigeon]

i perssenaly took ventyr and nadjia

[fleet whale]

i took venthyr as well

it isn't a huge deal what you go with tbh

[woeful wigeon]

cause of the hasst ability for later in the expannsioon go exsanguintate again

[fleet whale]

exsang is gonna need more than haste bud to be good

[lyric crater]

ok heard night fae was better but he was a hunter and my gm so i kind of ignore him

cool so venthyr good for rogue good was kinding of leaning towards them

[spark cloud]

i went night fae because i enjoy the ability it has. sepsis feels good, fits the rotation nice

[lyric crater]

yea playing with night fae now that dot i can see it being a real pain in pvp haha

[spark cloud]

i do dungeons and i quite enjoy the free reset it gives me to apply emp garrotes

[fleet whale]

the garrote night fae gives you isn't empowered

[restive spire]

only cheapshot ambush and sap

[spark cloud]

really? well damn

[restive spire]

i picked based on the armor and mount so

kyrian was my favorite ability out of them all i think tho

its fun

[spark cloud]

night fae armor has a normal chestpiece option instead of the robe which is nice, i thought i was doomed with a bad rogue mog

[lyric crater]

i dont like the kyrian empower cp system

think they could of done some thing better

[spark cloud]

so for world quests, everything it offers me is for outlaw spec. did it for all of bfa too, and idk why. my loot spec is assassination

is it like that for yall too?

[balmy condor]

Yeah, the world quests are randomly selected

I had a couple outlaw ones, couple sub ones, poison Katar showed up in revendreth I think

They’ll come around :P

[sweet pecan]

flagallation.. what is supposed to happen if you do not use it a second time and the time on the debuff on the enemy runs out?

[balmy condor]

It gives you the buff anyway

[hollow jolt]

How viable is sin compared to the other specs rn?

[balmy condor]

It’s not

[hollow jolt]

playing sub in pve is just really not fun for me

fak

@balmy condor does ryfie also play sub rn? or still sin

[balmy condor]

30% behind in m+, 15% in single target

Ryfie plays sub

[hollow jolt]

15% for st

yikes

[balmy condor]

Yeah we’re going into the expac with the biggest difference in rogue specs since like cata

[hollow jolt]

playing sub is so booring

perma energy starve

[rich hornet]

lol, i agree

[hollow jolt]

backstab only gives 1 cp

[balmy condor]

Sin is way more energy starved

Now that we got rid of all the corruption and essences and nonsense

[hollow jolt]

but it feels better to get more CP with a mutilate than literally 1 all the time with backstab :D

[lyric crater]

sub all about shadow dance no dance damage it crap

[balmy condor]

Yeah I can agree mutilate feels better

If it weren’t so far behind I would be playing sin

But even I’ve jumped ship for now

[hollow jolt]

im watching whazz play a key as sin rn and it doesnt look that energy starved tbh

[balmy condor]

I’ll play it in heroic

[hollow jolt]

yeah I have to stay sub for mythic raid for sure

[balmy condor]

Sin was never energy starved in aoe

[rich hornet]

what about M+?

[hollow jolt]

well it was on a ST boss fight so yeah lmao

but he plays vigor and as sub you usually play deeper, so can't rlly compare that

[rich hornet]

sub aoe better than sin?

[balmy condor]

Yes

Much better

[hollow jolt]

sub better everything

[balmy condor]

He didn’t look energy starved in single target?

[hollow jolt]

not as much as sub

but then again
sin = vigor
sub= deeper

[balmy condor]

That seems....not right

[lyric crater]

sub can be king and best spec atm and i still dont like it and wont play it for pve maybe pvp

[hollow jolt]

well he gets energy back faster cuz of vigor so

[balmy condor]

Sub has shadow focus

[hollow jolt]

I bet if sin plays with deeper it wouldnt be like that

yeah but shadow focus is only when you dance

[balmy condor]

Dance has a huge uptime

In m+

[hollow jolt]

ya I mean for ST tho

in aoe ofc

[balmy condor]

Even there

It’s like 50%

[hollow jolt]

I mean it just looked like it, probably feels different

[balmy condor]

Yeah it definitely should

Cause sub even with deeper, has more energy than single target sin with alacrity and vigor

Might be because subs energy gain is more spiky

Sins more smooth

[hollow jolt]

yeah thats it probably

feels way more smooth

so it looks like its not as starved

[balmy condor]

This is the pray for heroic week tuning channel

Welcome, stay a while, and pray with us

Something something I don’t teach sub rogues - reckful

Nah subs fine

I don’t touch outlaw

[hollow jolt]

just dance ST ST ( if not at 5 cp another ) and evisc

welcome to sub

for pve I suppose?

sure

give me a sec

[subtle maple]

sin is that bad on sl?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[subtle maple]

with sub i feel like i need to much energy

sucks

too*

!stats

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[sweet pecan]

is there a guide yet?

im still using bfo skill priorities

[balmy condor]

It’s basically the same

But they are updated

[honest umbra]

Hello guyz, i used erladion's Weak Aura in BFA, I went on his Wago.io and there's no updated version for Shadowlands, anyone know any WA string simillar to his from BFA? 🙂 Thanks in advance

[balmy condor]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[balmy condor]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[sweet pecan]

no reavenhold?

[lapis creek]

!bis

[copper jetty]

which pro is better for assn: enchanting or engineering?

[balmy condor]

Doesn’t matter really

Lot of people will go engi for m+ for the brez

[sweet pecan]

i guess, cause you can get enchanting from other players

but there are some engineer exclusive enchants, id go engi

but we are talking a shield enchant on the belt

and the rez ye

[copper jetty]

okay

we dont know any other enchanters tho

among my other friends that play

[sweet pecan]

you can buy them from the AH then

im both personally

i just buy the mats for engi from the AH

[copper jetty]

what pairs with engineering? mining?

[sweet pecan]

normally ye

[balmy condor]

Professions generally just aren’t that important and are more flavor

[sweet pecan]

this tbh

[copper jetty]

damn lol

[sand otter]

im 99% sure im going law

i hate myself but

the guild is forming dedicated M+ groups and i think ill be better off in the end.

[fleet whale]

what is the highest renown that you can get this week? I just got to level 3

[amber tendon]

is there any new on buffing assassination? i hate sub and outlaw

[balmy condor]

3 is the highest

[balmy condor]

No

[fleet whale]

tbh i'm just playing sin for now even in random dungeons

i'm just far too comfortable with the spec i guess

[sand otter]

i want to stay sin but ugh

[balmy condor]

I feel it

[sand otter]

and once you craft that legendary its hard to go back to another spec

[real bay]

outlaw makes me ugh so hard

[sand otter]

i can do outlaw that rotation isnt bad for me

but if i have to paly sub ill uninstall

im garbage at it

[real bay]

i hate the gigantic amount of buttons and spam

weird opener

[fleet whale]

also i find sin hella underrated for torghast

comparing it to outlaw

[restive spire]

its bad

[fleet whale]

i found sin much smoother for torghast

[sand otter]

yeah another reason

[restive spire]

but the best rogues have to offer for torgahast

[fleet whale]

like i got the red ink power

plus the master poisoner power talent

[balmy condor]

I did layer 3 at like 140ilvl

[fleet whale]

so much poison damage lol

[balmy condor]

Was rough

[restive spire]

im considering switching to bm but if it gets nerfed and sin doesnt get buffed ill cry

[sand otter]

at least we can do all of tor together

[fleet whale]

lol what if blizz is holding back on sin buffs

because of torghast lol

[restive spire]

i just want bleed or poison builds back :(

[fleet whale]

poison build is back in torghast...

[restive spire]

yeah but itd be kinda cool if they didnt only make a spec decent in random power ups

[fleet whale]

i wish some of those powerups were baseline...

or even talents lol

[restive spire]

our talents are in bad shape

[fleet whale]

some of those torghast power ups could make good replacements for our garbage talents

[restive spire]

45 row is the saddest thing ive ever seen needing to choose alacrity

[fleet whale]

mainly the last two rows

i even liked the one that makes ambush auto apply rupture

[restive spire]

i like the look of venom rush if envenom actually did damage

[fleet whale]

so as an alchemist, i was able to make a ton of those weapon oils in bulk, which is nice

but do Blacksmiths make stones again?

[balmy condor]

I think so

[fleet whale]

i guess it's the classic wow mindset seeping in a little bit

[wheat kite]

Hey guys ! Any idea if I go Night Fae or Kyrian ? I'm new to the game 🙂

[balmy condor]

Whichever you prefer

The difference in damage is negligible, so pick based on flavor and preference

[wheat kite]

Thanks for the answer !

[balmy condor]

My pleasure

[sweet pecan]

is there a reason to ever press flagilation a second time? i cant think of any tbh

[balmy condor]

To line up the haste buff with cooldowns, with adds spawning/pulls in dungeons

[fleet whale]

if the debuff is just about to run out and the mob isn't going to die

(unless if you get the haste buff anyway?)

[balmy condor]

its okay

[fleet whale]

it's fine for solo play

[iron spruce]

I've kinda found a happy medium right now

Sub is good for questing

however for Dungeons so far Assn is till pretty damn good

the dps difference is noticeable

[fleet whale]

leeching helps a good bit

[balmy condor]

the healing is nice

[fleet whale]

just don't overpull

2 mobs you're fine

3 should still be ok

[balmy condor]

sub with soothing is crazy

[fleet whale]

gets tough after that

they both appear to be significantly tankier than outlaw

at least imo

Iron stomach is just garbage

and it's self healing is tied to rng

which is ironic, since outlaw is billed as the "toe-to-toe" spec

[old socket]

So is there actually a meta covenant right now?

[balmy condor]

no

[fleet whale]

and hopefully

there never will be

[old socket]

Yeah I mean that’s what I hope too. But you know how it can be. So night fae is fine to go with for rogue?

[fleet whale]

yes

[old socket]

Also is assassination looking like the top spec right now?

[balmy condor]

lmao

no

sin is unplayable at high levels

[old socket]

Ah I see. So what is everyone going then?

[balmy condor]

sub or outlaw

[magic thorn]

im currently playing with my main assa rogue night fae, but i would like to play sub with my 2nd rogue, would you guys rather suggest going another covenant or pick the same and play 1 sub 1 assa

[balmy condor]

pick whatever you want

[uncut schooner]

.-.

still streaming whisp?

[balmy condor]

I will when m+ comes

just enjoying atm

[eager needle]

Just wondering what you guys think is best covenant for assassination rogue? Probably mainly focus on pvp

[pseudo hamlet]

When the sepsis falls off should I use Ambush or Mutilate?

[balmy condor]

ambush

[pseudo hamlet]

What about the opening? I am usually going, garrote -> mutilate -> garrote, should I change that mutilate to ambush also?

[balmy condor]

don't double garrote single target

should be gar -> ambush -> snd

throwing a mut instead of an ambush is really close dps wise though

like you can gar mut snd instead

and that's fine too

[pseudo hamlet]

Thought that double garrote would be nice for the pandemic

But will do ambush if you say so then! 🙂

[balmy condor]

we used to do that with SS

without SS its not worth it

[pseudo hamlet]

Ah yeah, that's right. SS made it stronger, forgot we don't have it in SL

[fallen crypt]

SS?

[balmy condor]

shrouded suffocation

was an azerite trait

[fallen crypt]

Ah right

If i should aim for one legendary that can be used for pretty much everything until i make up my mind, Master Assassin have to be the one right

[balmy condor]

yeah, for all around, for all specs, you'd go ma

[light kestrel]

Is the darkmoon trinket any good?

[balmy condor]

its very good for sin, yes

[civic palm]

Seems on par with other iLevel 200 stuff ye.

[light kestrel]

That's what I figured but these people are upcharging like crazy

[balmy condor]

first week of the expansion, that'll happen

[civic palm]

Yarp.

[balmy condor]

there's grey cooking meat on the ah for 100g a pop on my server right now

everything is crazy crazy high

[civic palm]

Yeah the leveling meats are gonna be like that, worse later on.

[light kestrel]

Yeah the aetheril meat or however you spell it is 200g a pop here

[charred wind]

I picked necrolord cause I loved the flavour of it, am I at a super disadvantage or it okay?

[balmy condor]

its fine

[onyx cove]

anyone know how I can open lockboxes? isnt working for me

[balmy condor]

lockpicking works find for me

[gray meadow]

only worked @ lvl 60 for em

[dusk lodge]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[grizzled jay]

@balmy condor When you did your trinket sims were they all the same iLvl (200)?

[balmy condor]

I forced 184 for m0

[grizzled jay]

I see, okay

[balmy condor]

Is there weird stuff happening

[grizzled jay]

Nope, but Voracity is iLvl 200 so I knew that the sims showing it not being (the best) trinket out of a bunch you simmed pre-launch was probably due to something like what I asked.

But the Decanter being the best non-raid trinket held true.

[wooden crag]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[woven summit]

Do you use garrote twice at opener if talented with subterfuge or only once?

do extend the duration

[balmy condor]

Once

For single target

[woven summit]

Right, thanks

[balmy condor]

My pleasure

[crisp sluice]

whispyr are you playing assassination or sub

[balmy condor]

I’m gonna try sin in raids for heroic week

We’ll see how bad it is then, but I’m sub in dungeons for sure

I don’t see any buffs coming in to make it viable in m+

[crisp sluice]

Makes sense...i might try sin for raid too then idk

[balmy condor]

If we get a buff after heroic week that makes it raid viable

I’ll multi-spec it

Otherwise I’m probably gonna sub single target as well

[woven summit]

🙏

Hope assassination is good

[balmy condor]

who knows

if its 10%+ to aura

probably good enough

if its less than that

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[quartz oriole]

guys is it normal that I cannot beat the torghast's 2nd floor last boss?

[crimson palm]

No

[balmy condor]

bad runs happen

[thin gate]

guys

are the big bosses already released

the world bosses fromt he 4 zones

[balmy condor]

no

[thin gate]

how every1 got tons of 190s

im lost lol

[balmy condor]

they're buying them off the AH for like 700k

like a bunch of fucking clowns

[thin gate]

but i mean

the source

of the 190s

are they crafted?

or BOE drop from rares

[balmy condor]

boes

crafted gear is all BoP

afaik

[quartz oriole]

i'm sorry not the 2nd floor but 2nd layer

do I need to grind some gears?

[balmy condor]

yes

gear, and get luckier with your powers

[quartz oriole]

thanks

[night cypress]

Whispyr how are you in here 24/7

[balmy condor]

Idk

I guess I wake up in the morning, and then I'm awake for the day, and I go to bed

[jade jewel]

Is it really haste - versa - crit? For our stay prio

[balmy condor]

yes

[fleet whale]

getting weapons is annoying so far

[grizzled jay]

I got two 184s

One is a Poxstorm

[hollow escarp]

only got 1 more dungeon that drops weapon to do

still rolling with a 146 in off hand

[fleet whale]

i just got one from my very first random heroic, a 171 dagger from mists

it's a start i guess... still have a 140 off hand

also i'm not bothering with enchanting till i'm at least 180 ilvl lol

@hollow escarp I guess if you have the gold to spare, you can get a 191 boe dagger

esp since boe weapons are dropping in price fast

[worn pilot]

guys, didnt play much assa in sl, sub aoe sucks atm for dungeons, is assa any better?

[balmy condor]

sub aoe is huge

what

[fallen sandal]

Sub aoe IS good

[balmy condor]

but regardless, sin is awful atm

in everything

its severely undertuned

[stuck bolt]

Sub aoe is annoyingly good. I'm actually mad.

[worn pilot]

idk im prolly bad then, i though shuriken storm hits like a noodle

[balmy condor]

they have black powder now

its an aoe finisher

shuriken storm also hits fairly hard tbh

[stuck bolt]

Shuriken is just your combo generator, it is not supposed to hit hard. And it can give you 5 points instantly on a large pull, vs FoK which...is a joke of a spell.

[balmy condor]

way harder than fok tbh

fok is kinda trash

[stuck bolt]

I just spec'd sub for the first time since Legion, having done zero reading, entered a dungeon and effortlessly did 20% more damage than I've been doing as an assassination master. (Ok I'm average at best but still)

I had to work so hard as assassin to do mediocre damage.

[worn pilot]

idk im at close to 165 ilvl, through i have shit daggers

black powder while it hits ok while find weakness is up, energy regen is kinda bad for me and can't really do much

i do have shittons of mastery and not a whole lot of haste

[fleet whale]

to be fair, i've done decent enough in the random dungeons i've done as sin

[stuck bolt]

What I did was check the pins here, blindly copy the talent spec, and then go smash the buttons. Don't be afraid to use your cooldowns liberally.

[balmy condor]

your energy should be fine with just shadow focus and symbols

[stuck bolt]

Assassin works, it's only going to get better as we get into mythics etc with higher enemy HP pools. Just more work to achieve less than other specs. 🙁

[fleet whale]

and if you're really worried with energy as sub, just run Master of Shadows even in dungeons

[balmy condor]

yeah

[fleet whale]

you'll still do ok

black powder is good baseline aoe

[balmy condor]

will do worse actually

[stuck bolt]

You think so? I feel like I'm limited a lot by the "setup" of getting Ruptures rolling along with SnD. Things die so quickly I don't see a big return. You think it will get worse?

[fleet whale]

i mean

[balmy condor]

its only doing good atm cause pulls are dying before the subt garrotes fall

[fleet whale]

at like 155 ilvl, i'm "only" 1k off from what i should be doing in full M0 gear and with higher renown

so it's either the sims are off, or sin is benefitting more from current dungeon kill rates as whisp said

and i bet it's the later

[stuck bolt]

😬

I don't mind doing less damage in general. That's whatever. But it feels shitty hitting FoK and getting 1 combo point.

[balmy condor]

ye kinda blows

[stuck bolt]

Sub has so many more...things to do. lol

[fleet whale]

that will probably get better with more gear

once crit levels get higher assassin cp generation won't be a problem

i do think that along with some buffs, blizz should change garrote to where it at least generates 2 cps from stealth

rather than just one

2 cps per stealth/subter garrote would mean that you could at least get a 5 cp finisher off when you've put your three up

[balmy condor]

idk, I think fok should generate just like storm

[stuck bolt]

I agree, but I'm also biased. I would settle for the return of Gouge. Fair compromise.

[fleet whale]

sin wouldn't have the energy budget

to properly use gouge

[scenic thunder]

In early Uldir they nerfed the subterfugy garrote damage from 125% to 80% because stacked with shroudded suffocation it was too "op", and now they removed shroudded and we still do not got the 125% back

[stuck bolt]

Maybe down the road. But you're right. I'm using Feint far less than ever before atm.

Too restrictive.

[fleet whale]

and idk if fok working like storm is really necessary

storm has worked like storm since like wod, and it's not like sub has had godly aoe for all that time

[balmy condor]

sure

but I think its a change that could be made to help

multi-rupturing, CT, and envenom uptime

requires a lot of cp

[fleet whale]

we just need higher crit and more gear, this wasn't a big issue in legion or BFA

[limber yoke]

I get just 2k at ilvl 158. I have no idea if that is good or bad now. What are your Sims single target, and dps in dungeons?

[fleet whale]

is that your st dps

or dungeon dps

and at this point it's w/e

[limber yoke]

Also, do you have problems with layer 3 of torghast? Seems like everything hits hard.

[fleet whale]

were replacing gear so fast

[limber yoke]

It is same for both, 0.2k difference between dungeons and sims

[balmy condor]

2k at 158 seems okay

for a single target sim

I was at like 2.2-2.5 in random normals on sub, forget what I was doing in sin

[limber yoke]

That sounds bad... 😀 I saw other classes doing 4k at similar ilvl (even lower)... So that's why I wonder

Oh, so it is not that big difference

Thanks!

[balmy condor]

I doubt they're doing 4k in 160ish blues

sub isn't even doing 4k in m0 gear with full soulbind trees and a legendary, and rank 7 conduits

[limber yoke]

I saw sub rogue in dungeon doing 4k, fresh 60 with BFA gear. Scaling or something I guess.

[balmy condor]

4k at the end of the dungeon?

[limber yoke]

4k on single target bosses

[balmy condor]

oh

yeah that can happen if the boss is fast enough

[limber yoke]

I also felt like I had better dmg with old gear

[balmy condor]

you did

[limber yoke]

Jesus I miss my haste 😀 Thanks for the info guys!

[stuck bolt]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[stuck bolt]

Was hoping for a RH write-up. 😅 is the wowhead guide more or less accurate? In the past wowhead has been dubious...

[balmy condor]

wowhead is written by mystler

and icyveins is written by seliathan

both excellent rogues and theorycraftesr

[marble hemlock]

im no theorycrafter :<

at least not to the degree that i should be mentioned in the same sentence as mystler when it comes to TCing 😄

[balmy condor]

well, true, mystler and the dedicated TC people are insane

but I think its fair to call you a theorycrafter amongst the general population :P

[marble hemlock]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fleet whale]

is bottle flayedwing toxin good or bad?

[balmy condor]

gud

[fleet whale]

it's like another poison... lol

[balmy condor]

pretty sick right?

[fleet whale]

i prefer it over the thousands of on use trinkets that are present in SL

too many on use imo

[silk crest]

the fixed messages is up to date?

[balmy condor]

yes

[untold crater]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[jade jewel]

So is assa bottom barrel of the rogue spec dps?

[balmy condor]

yes

by a good margin

[jade jewel]

Yea feels it :/

@balmy condor 😭

[balmy condor]

happens

sometimes you're the top of the charts, and because of it, you gotta be the bottom of the charts in return

we'll be okay after heroic week tuning I assume

[bold saffron]

My first time playing rogue and I like assassination best.... sucks its the worst spec apparently lol

[balmy condor]

yeah, it was the best for the last like 4 years

sub wasn't viable for a majority of bfa

so it's payback I guess

XD

[fleet whale]

i got an overcharged anima battery trinket

not too bad, haste on use

[rich hornet]

just dance

[fleet whale]

what is interesting is that apm definitely isn't an issue for sin atm

my 156 crappy geared venthyr rogue

is at 47 apm in his sim

[balmy condor]

venthyr is a little faster

but sims were showing 45 apm with blindside

so makes sense

[fleet whale]

well also note i just got this trinket from spires

haste on use 1 min 30 second cd

so that prolly gives me two more apm lol

[young crag]

So both wowhead and icyveins says that Night Fae is the way to go. But in the pins it says Kyrian. Why?

(which covenant to take

[balmy condor]

kyrian is very slightly better early

night fae is slightly better later

[young crag]

Ah, thank you

[balmy condor]

no problem

[light kestrel]

Anyone know if the enchants DR with each other? Like would it be best to run 2 of the 5%agi, or two of the 6% increased damage taken. Was thinking one of each

[balmy condor]

I think they DR just like the bfa ones

[light kestrel]

Yeah that's what I figured

[digital narwhal]

any theorycrafter knows if outlaw celerity legendary, chance to gain adrenaline rush while active SnD works on all specs?

[balmy condor]

they got rid of that during beta

was like our 3rd best lego during beta, and then they fixed it to only work for outlaw

[mossy sable]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[loud rain]

!bis

!bs

[ember oasis]

Quick question: Is it just me, or does it seem like our spec is undertuned at the moment?

[fleet whale]

yes it is indeed undertuned

[balmy condor]

I made an m0 BiS sim in #tc-research if you scroll up a little

11/21

[tight canopy]

is it worth to kiryan because night fae is probably gonna get nerfed ?

[balmy condor]

they're all really close

don't pick covenants for damage

[tight canopy]

ty

can i get zoldyak this week from troghst ?

[balmy condor]

no

[atomic temple]

SO ASSAsination suck

s

?

[balmy condor]

yes

[atomic temple]

outlaw good in pvp?

[balmy condor]

its okay from what I hear

[atomic temple]

sub is the best right

[balmy condor]

yeah

[atomic temple]

man i just dont wanna learn sub its so confusing having 30 talents and other stuff

[balmy condor]

what?

every spec has the same amount of talents

[atomic temple]

its hard learning other specializations

like it takes a while

[balmy condor]

I believe in you XD

[lament dove]

sub is quite simple tbh, it's just confusing at first

[warm drift]

Sub gets boring after a while when u get used to it. With sin i don't have that problem.

Is that just me?

[balmy condor]

I don't think I'm bored of it, as much as I just like sin more

[warm drift]

St is kinda cool. But sub aoe is so boring

[balmy condor]

oh

yeah

definitely

[lament dove]

@warm drift I'm in the same boat, it's spammy

but assa is so cluncky and slow now, so it's like 2 bad choices:P

[balmy condor]

this is what sin is supposed to be

XD

[warm drift]

I played crit build in 8.3. For me its a little slower. Kinda okay

[balmy condor]

ye

[warm drift]

Btw. what legendary would u craft for overall performance. pvp and pve

[balmy condor]

we lost a lot of damage from eb/ss

[warm drift]

Doomblade?

[balmy condor]

for sin you'd go zoldyck

[warm drift]

Even if i wanna do pvp

[balmy condor]

idk bout that

im a pve andy

[atomic temple]

so is assanitaion good at anything

[balmy condor]

no

[warm drift]

I guess its kinda whaever

[balmy condor]

sin is bad at everything atm

[pseudo hamlet]

I believe in Blizzard that they will just increase our overall damage after the first heroic/mythic week. Just like they did at the start of WoD.

[balmy condor]

that's the hope yeah

[pseudo hamlet]

And to be honest I always liked Assa, it's relaxing and slow spec. Not every spec has to be BFA Havoc.

[fierce pivot]

Why does bone spike have to suck, I want to be a bone boy

[balmy condor]

it doesn't suck

[fierce pivot]

Seems like it does =\

[balmy condor]

according to what

[fierce pivot]

the boring ass bleed vs pew pew pew

and what every oens sreaming night fae is bae at me

[balmy condor]

well

all our covenants are within 3%

so

it definitely doesn't suck

[fierce pivot]

What about pvp?

[balmy condor]

I think in pvp the consensus is night fae free cheapshot is pretty good

[fierce pivot]

thats what will sell it form e

[balmy condor]

but idk

I'm not a pvper

everyone's playing sub anyway

[fierce pivot]

I saw a lot of sub in the BG

[balmy condor]

yeah

thats cause sin is really really bad XD

[fierce pivot]

at pvp or both pve and pvp?

[balmy condor]

at everything

[fierce pivot]

oh bummer

[balmy condor]

undertuned atm

by a lot

[wind zenith]

sub will most likely get nerfed or sin will get buffed

theres a lot of meeles way under atm

[balmy condor]

I don't think sub will get nerfed

I think we might even see buffs

[fierce pivot]

well Ima go learn sub now

[real bay]

how's assa in torghast

[strange python]

Expect a tuning after hcweek

[fleet pine]

Hi everyone o7

[pseudo hamlet]

Hi 😄

[dim yacht]

so are sin rogues just fucked for legendaries right now? all of the ones that are remotely good we cant even get yet

seems like the best route is to not even make a legendary next week, and save my soul ash

[balmy condor]

MA is obtainable

that's okay

zoldyck comes with torghast rotation

should be fine

[dim yacht]

so howd the torghast rotation work?

is it 2 diff levels avail each week?

and do we know if raid drop legs are 100%, or if theyre rng?

[lament dove]

since dungeon drops are rng I would be surprised if raid drops would be guaranteed

although you can spam dungeons, so who knows

[real bay]

world boss drops are guaranteed, raid probably has high chance

[atomic gate]

The less spammable the content the more guaranteed the drop

So expect raids to be 100%

Torghasr is 100%

I and everyone I know got their recipe from the wing they needed

[lofty hazel]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[lofty hazel]

guys with blindside, do you have a macro to replace mutilate on proc or did you bind it to a different button?

ambush that is

[balmy condor]

#assassination message

this is how you would macro it

I have it on a different button

cause I'm a chad

[dark token]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[vast hound]

what are the best talents for mythics atm?

[balmy condor]

Ep subt deeper/mfd alacrity ct

[vast hound]

for single target?

[balmy condor]

Blindside ma vigor alac pb

[vast hound]

cheers

[vast hound]

is this optimal?

[balmy condor]

I’m gonna say probably not

[grim thistle]

!bis

why it aint working

it worked 3 days ago

[pseudo hamlet]

We do have bis list? I think only subtlety have that...

[grim thistle]

uh ok

[noble sigil]

How good is asssassin for raid and m+ compared to the other speccs?

[honest silo]

not good

[pliant rose]

just 161 and wrong stats for assa .. but no point in playing assa right now imho. maybe with some tuning and because dungeons seem hard for melee because of uptime playing systems! hope there will be some tuning soon...

[real bay]

ask again in 3 weeks how bad assa is, raid isn't out and neither is m+

nor is tuning done

[bold saffron]

Is it really that bad?? I was running with 3 dps last night in a few dungeons around 150 ilvl and we all did similar dps other than the WW who would be ahead on certain fights

Aoe feels bad though

[grave fulcrum]

Is it known that improved poisons rank 2 doesn't work ?

[sick scarab]

aaah i got maim mangle iteml lvl 184 and sims worst than Lethal Posison itemlvl 145

[glacial haven]

what is best enchant for weapon atm?

[pseudo hamlet]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[keen moss]

how does fan of knves work now

cus i get random amounts of combo points now

is that from crits?

[plain thistle]

yeah, same as legion and bfa

but we are capped now

[keen moss]

its not the same though

it says 1 combo point on tooltip but i just dont understand where the extra cps im getting are coming from

in bfa i think it was 1 cp per mob

[plain thistle]

no

from crit

1 cp per mob is shuriken storm (sub)

it generetes 1 cp, but we have a passive

it "feels" worse because now fan of knives has a target cap

[keen moss]

ok i see

that wording makes it sound like it doesnt apply on seal fate

but ig it does

yea u definitely feel it

[quaint dragon]

what would u guys say is the worst spec from all classes atm

[gleaming eagle]

is it me or lvling with assa is hard

lol

if i get mobbed im dead

[swift pulsar]

One dungeon left. Got REALLY lucky with trinkets

[jagged axle]

I sure af didn't, I'm still rocking a 132 trinket

[swift pulsar]

Decanter of Anima Charged-Winds is really good, doing solid 8% of my damage

[teal talon]

how is assa in mythic+ ?

[placid dawn]

sin is like 15% behind outlul and sub

that aid, m+ is not out yet

so, wait until mythic week

[teal talon]

its weird as sub haveing versa as main stat

having*

[swift pulsar]

I was doing as sub. Just swicthed to test assa out for a bit.

[quick harbor]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[swift pulsar]

But it has 0 aoe for what i can see. So a pretty awful choice for m+ IMO

from*

[woven summit]

Will assassination become better?

I remember everytime at the beginning of an expansion assassination was kind of mediocre but then it became better

to a point of being main raiding spec

and being alright at m+

[gleaming geyser]

Most likely will be getting a tune up yea, but not for a few weeks probably. Game just came out, need more data.

Now, ask yourself: are you just chasing highest numbers? does the content you are running require you to play the most efficient spec/class?

honestly, if you're comfortable on assassination and already have a group of friends that dont really care about the avg 15% DPS loss (rogue still has great utility), I'd just stick with it

If you're a solo player, and how WoW just jumps ship and bandwagons, you might have problems finding groups

[frosty bridge]

ER hits for 30% in pvp ffs

lol

[woven summit]

Good points Maxime

Maybe even as a solo player there wont be much problems if I raid heroic and do m+ for the gear not the highest rating

[magic thorn]

how good is the darkmoon card for assa ?

[shy breach]

what is the best Covenant for Rogues ?

[woven summit]

The pinned message says Kyrian

But not sure yet

[fleet whale]

there isn't really a "best" covenant

choose the one you like the most

[placid dawn]

Kyrian is super nice with the butler

Free talent change every 4 hours

[jaunty heron]

How assa for pvp?

[fleet whale]

I haven't tried much pvp yet this expansion, but with current damage tuning and sub's control

sub is definitely better atm for pvp

[indigo tusk]

Humm

[lucid terrace]

Hello guys!

[hardy crypt]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[lucid terrace]

so Kirian for an assas rogue or Night Fae?

[indigo tusk]

I play night fae

Is good

[dim shoal]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[median trout]

As far as covenants, it's what you'd like. There's more to the package that you receive. Bastion just looks too goddamn beautiful for me to consider anything else

[sweet sphinx]

bastion is too cult like for me ngl xD

i think im gonna have to go night faye

[silk crest]

the kyrian combo point increases poison bomb chance?

[fleet whale]

I don't think it does

[balmy condor]

It’s per combo point spents

If you finish on the kyrian combo point, you spend X cp

Even if it acts like a 7cp finisher

You only spent the 2 or 3

[restive spire]

doesnt alacrity have a 100% chance to proc tho with just a 2 anima charged cp

[balmy condor]

I don’t think so

[restive spire]

oh youre prolly right

cause the anima charged point cant extend snd either can it

[balmy condor]

Damaging finishers only

[last raptor]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[restive spire]

https://youtu.be/3p8QL_MFv_Q

assassinations damage is saved pog

[woven summit]

So how do you guys open on characters with subterfuge?

garrote > ambush > ambush > SND and then rupture?

on single target

[restive spire]

yeah thats what im doing

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s fine

[woven summit]

cool

[balmy condor]

You could also gar ambush snd

Instead of double ambush

[woven summit]

yeah to pick it up faster

not a bad idea

[restive spire]

if youre playing vigor id double ambush if stratagem single ambush

[woven summit]

sweet, thanks

[brave jetty]

what SND means?

[fleet whale]

slice and dice

[brave jetty]

oh thank you

[shell canopy]

How is Sin right now? Either i started to suck at my Rogue or Outlaw is just better.

[balmy condor]

Sin is very undertuned

[woven summit]

🙏 to be buffed soon

[shell canopy]

Hm, damn. Never really liked the other two specs.

[balmy condor]

Yeah this is the church of assassination atm

We sit here, bow our heads in shame of our damage, and pray to blizz for buffs

[pliant wing]

can't decide between fae or venthyr, anyone have something to help me ? 😄

like both of abilities

[restive spire]

are you a furry

[balmy condor]

Which transmog is better, which zone looks nicer

Do you like lore

[mossy sable]

!stats

[restive spire]

i picked night fae just for the daggers and mount

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[restive spire]

thats the good thing about all of our covenants being so close

we probably have the most balanced choice

[pliant wing]

ye i like fae's zone but venthyrs lore 😄 transmog both sucks for me 😛

[balmy condor]

Then idk

Coin flip it

[restive spire]

pick whichever one you secretly hope it lands on while its flipping

[pliant wing]

yea probably 😄 thanks

[static iron]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[split grail]

Man, I wish MA EP were viable

[balmy condor]

I mean

It’s pretty close

MA is the best talent in that row

EP is slightly behind blindside

[split grail]

Really, the guides say Subt

[balmy condor]

Single target?

They shouldn’t

[split grail]

Huh...well that makes me happy

[balmy condor]

Subt is competitive

And you’d take it with 2 targets

But for 1 target? Ma blindside

[split grail]

So I shouldn't be opening with garrote?

[balmy condor]

With ma? Nah

With subt yeah

The moment you get more than 1 target you go ep subt

[split grail]

I'm not a fan of blindside(because it takes up a hotbar slot) Maybe I'll just go EP MA

[balmy condor]

Yeah should be okay

[split grail]

Thanks!

[balmy condor]

There’s a top gear sim from a week ago I made in #tc-research

With m0 gear

You can compare talents on that if you want

[split grail]

Thanks again 🙂

[balmy condor]

Any time

[atomic gate]

How did doomblade function in the past? Did the bleed stack or did this duration just refresh

[balmy condor]

It just refreshes

[pliant apex]

hey whispy, hows sin feeling

shit?

[balmy condor]

Feels weak

But the gameplay is fine

[foggy maple]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[gleaming eagle]

whats the best covenant

for assa?

[lofty hazel]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[balmy condor]

all covenants are super close, for all 3 specs. Pick whatever you find most interesting, or based on the transmog/mount/lore, visuals of the zone. You won't make a bad choice regardless

[mossy sable]

Thats a lie

You can choose one

Cause you hate the mog of the other but hate the ability of the current one

[balmy condor]

then pick whatever impacts you the most

[mossy sable]

I know but like NF Mog is big yikes

[balmy condor]

I think it looks pretty good

[mossy sable]

But Venth looks sexy but omg I do not like this ability

[frigid kestrel]

Just here checking up on that juicy sin buff

[balmy condor]

no buff

[frigid kestrel]

[gleaming eagle]

ye i really hate venth ability

[frigid kestrel]

I refuse to go back to the blue name

[gleaming eagle]

i like necrolord ability and night fae utility the most

[mossy sable]

necros is cool

But I do not like the mog or zone

I guess Venth ability is prob strong if I really wanna keep trying to like Sin

Cause haste means I hate downtime a little less maybe

[balmy condor]

just pick one lmao

[mossy sable]

It's not that easy

I will be debating if I picked right in 10.1