#assassination | Ravenholdt | Page 3847

lethal ginkgo Nov 23, 2020, 8:49 PM

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Yes

fleet whale Nov 23, 2020, 8:49 PM

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to get back on the target

lethal ginkgo Nov 23, 2020, 8:50 PM

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I just picked up rogue about 2 months ago and I am fairly comfortable with all three specs

fleet whale Nov 23, 2020, 8:50 PM

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how many sin rogues do you think there will be on live servers, at level 60?

lethal ginkgo Nov 23, 2020, 8:50 PM

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I like all the utility the class has to offer and outlaw feels great now that you aren’t wasting combo points on it

fleet whale Nov 23, 2020, 8:50 PM

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i say 100

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in total

balmy condor Nov 23, 2020, 8:50 PM

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at least 1

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:)

fleet whale Nov 23, 2020, 8:50 PM

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Seli is gonna try to make sin work

balmy condor Nov 23, 2020, 8:51 PM

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I'm gonna try and make sin work

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I lowkey think seli already jumped ship to sub

lethal ginkgo Nov 23, 2020, 8:51 PM

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Haha

fleet whale Nov 23, 2020, 8:51 PM

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sub is just too annoying with keybinds, that's my main issue with it lol

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esp if i have to like take Secret tech for aoe

strange python Nov 23, 2020, 8:51 PM

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oo

balmy condor Nov 23, 2020, 8:51 PM

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I think he's jumped ship

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kekw

lethal ginkgo Nov 23, 2020, 8:53 PM

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Which spec is the go to pvp spec now

fleet whale Nov 23, 2020, 8:53 PM

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sub

balmy condor Nov 23, 2020, 8:53 PM

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yeah, sub is looking to be the fav

fleet whale Nov 23, 2020, 8:53 PM

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you know what's ironic

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i lowkey feel that the shiv/tb baseline thing actually made sin WORSE

lethal ginkgo Nov 23, 2020, 8:54 PM

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Alright

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What specs are you all leveling in my plan is subs

balmy condor Nov 23, 2020, 8:55 PM

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sub for me

halcyon oak Nov 23, 2020, 8:57 PM

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I'm leveling as sin but might try out sub along the way

sand otter Nov 23, 2020, 8:58 PM

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dont forget to buy azerite gear to sell, to make more money, instead of it turning into silver

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use up all that residuim

spiral bough Nov 23, 2020, 8:58 PM

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Nightfae still in the lead?

balmy condor Nov 23, 2020, 8:59 PM

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they're all close

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nightfae will be ahead with more renown

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kyrian early

sand otter Nov 23, 2020, 9:00 PM

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Im going Night

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will let me M+ and raid

balmy condor Nov 23, 2020, 9:01 PM

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they all will XD

sand otter Nov 23, 2020, 9:01 PM

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but im not hard core like all of you are

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4 hour a week herioc guild

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could do it with any covenant

balmy condor Nov 23, 2020, 9:01 PM

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I repeat, none of the covenant choices are bad, even for high end

grizzled jay Nov 23, 2020, 9:01 PM

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here's the best: https://imgur.com/ncgbvwq

Imgur

sand otter Nov 23, 2020, 9:01 PM

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hahahah

smoky bluff Nov 23, 2020, 9:02 PM

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HAHAHAHA

fleet whale Nov 23, 2020, 9:05 PM

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@balmy condor you say that... but wowmeta is already prepping for their meta covenant choices

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for the meta slaves to give into

sand otter Nov 23, 2020, 9:05 PM

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im going Night Fae or Kyrian

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unless the story vastly changes

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for my rogues background

grizzled jay Nov 23, 2020, 9:06 PM

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wowmeta is going to use level 51 Necrotic Wake logs to decide which classes are the best at M+

grizzled jay Nov 23, 2020, 9:06 PM

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sand otter for my rogues background

I am going Night Fae as well cause my Nightborne is a Wildswalker so they fit.

sand otter Nov 23, 2020, 9:06 PM

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well i cant be in the maw covenant with Sylvanas, so

fleet whale Nov 23, 2020, 9:06 PM

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M+ Necrotic Wake is gonna be a pug killer

sand otter Nov 23, 2020, 9:06 PM

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i have to choose the next best thing

fleet whale Nov 23, 2020, 9:06 PM

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guarantee you

sand otter Nov 23, 2020, 9:07 PM

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my new Tshirt will be here tomorrow

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halcyon oak Nov 23, 2020, 9:07 PM

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Oooooh

sand otter Nov 23, 2020, 9:07 PM

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Jinx official too, so its a nice one

grizzled jay Nov 23, 2020, 9:07 PM

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M+ Necrotic Wake? Nah man, M+ Spires lol

halcyon oak Nov 23, 2020, 9:07 PM

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Do wwnty

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Want

sand otter Nov 23, 2020, 9:07 PM

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pfff im sin rogue i never get to M+ no matter what

fleet whale Nov 23, 2020, 9:08 PM

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i can see noobs screwing up the third boss in Necrotic wake

sand otter Nov 23, 2020, 9:08 PM

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i could go outlaw and have greens and get invited first

fleet whale Nov 23, 2020, 9:08 PM

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and the final boss is a damage check

grizzled jay Nov 23, 2020, 9:08 PM

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what boss is "3rd" to you

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cause you can do 2-4 in any order

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oh wait nvm im thnking of ToP

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lol

fleet whale Nov 23, 2020, 9:08 PM

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isn't the doctor the third boss in necrotic wake?

grizzled jay Nov 23, 2020, 9:08 PM

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Necrotic Wake isn't that hard. Amarth can be a bitch if you have a DK tank though.

fleet whale Nov 23, 2020, 9:09 PM

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it's also very short

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so that's a plus

grizzled jay Nov 23, 2020, 9:09 PM

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first boss will kill pugs more often than any other

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idiots letting the maggots auto them

light harbor Nov 23, 2020, 9:10 PM

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Is sin actually going to be that bad?

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Am i going to need to switch if i wanna do damage?

strange python Nov 23, 2020, 9:10 PM

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guys what covenant are u going to chose for pve assa rogue?

balmy condor Nov 23, 2020, 9:10 PM

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sin is actually that bad

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yes

light harbor Nov 23, 2020, 9:10 PM

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;-;

sand otter Nov 23, 2020, 9:10 PM

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im still playing it

balmy condor Nov 23, 2020, 9:10 PM

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its 15% in single target and 30% in aoe

grizzled jay Nov 23, 2020, 9:11 PM

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@strange python https://imgur.com/ncgbvwq

Imgur

light harbor Nov 23, 2020, 9:11 PM

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but i want big numbers and sin rogue at the same time ;-;

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I might cry a little

balmy condor Nov 23, 2020, 9:11 PM

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doesn't exist play sub

sand otter Nov 23, 2020, 9:11 PM

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ima stick with it, and try my best to come out on top

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im the only rogue in my guild so my only competition is other classes

grizzled jay Nov 23, 2020, 9:12 PM

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if you want big numbers ask for Double Dose to be a talent

balmy condor Nov 23, 2020, 9:12 PM

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sin m+ atm is worse than sub was in bfa

strange python Nov 23, 2020, 9:12 PM

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lol 😦

sand otter Nov 23, 2020, 9:12 PM

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im still going to be 7-10 on meters, because we are packed with Locks, mages, and fury warrs

balmy condor Nov 23, 2020, 9:12 PM

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noticeably worse

strange python Nov 23, 2020, 9:12 PM

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man I just wanted to know please 😦

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what are u goins going to pick

sand otter Nov 23, 2020, 9:13 PM

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well i can fake outlaw for M+

balmy condor Nov 23, 2020, 9:13 PM

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strange python man I just wanted to know please 😦

I'm going kyrian

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you can go whatever you want

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because they're all good

sand otter Nov 23, 2020, 9:13 PM

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What he is saying is, if you want to be better, you have to play sub

light harbor Nov 23, 2020, 9:13 PM

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yea

sand otter Nov 23, 2020, 9:13 PM

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But i refuse

light harbor Nov 23, 2020, 9:13 PM

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it sjust sad

gleaming geyser Nov 23, 2020, 9:13 PM

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I'm going night fae so I can pretend I have kingsbane back

light harbor Nov 23, 2020, 9:13 PM

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just*

bleak glacier Nov 23, 2020, 9:13 PM

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going venthyr cause mog

sand otter Nov 23, 2020, 9:14 PM

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i hate the rotation and cannot get my head around it, even after trying for hours

bleak glacier Nov 23, 2020, 9:14 PM

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its really personal choice

sand otter Nov 23, 2020, 9:14 PM

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so im sin for raids, and law for IF i get invited to M+

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if its possible to maintain 2 specs

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working 60 hours a week lol

balmy condor Nov 23, 2020, 9:14 PM

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outlaw is fine too

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you can play outlaw in raids

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and it'll pump

light harbor Nov 23, 2020, 9:14 PM

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Sub rogue rotation is till fun, but sin is my spec and ill miss it ;-;

sand otter Nov 23, 2020, 9:15 PM

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yeah i have played it since LK

balmy condor Nov 23, 2020, 9:15 PM

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light harbor Sub rogue rotation is till fun, but sin is my spec and ill miss it ;-;

me too friend, me too pepeheart

sand otter Nov 23, 2020, 9:15 PM

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they are hot fixing hunters and locks right now

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so i think if we just stay true

light harbor Nov 23, 2020, 9:15 PM

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Yea i feel like theyll make sin better

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theres no way they just leave it as is

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That would be mean

sand otter Nov 23, 2020, 9:16 PM

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Its not bad right now, its just the other 2 specs are far more pwoerful

grizzled jay Nov 23, 2020, 9:16 PM

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it'll just be an aura buff

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probably for mythic weak

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im guessing +5%

sand otter Nov 23, 2020, 9:16 PM

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the rotation feels great, the new baseline spells are fun again

grizzled jay Nov 23, 2020, 9:16 PM

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they won't buff it too much, but just enough for it to not be a detriment

prisma yoke Nov 23, 2020, 9:16 PM

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i spent whole prepatch in denial and didnt learn sub rotation/cd alignment

balmy condor Nov 23, 2020, 9:16 PM

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5% probably not enough

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I'm hoping for 10

heady elm Nov 23, 2020, 9:16 PM

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yo are the sims pretty accurate for ass being not the best atm?

balmy condor Nov 23, 2020, 9:16 PM

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10 is good enough

fleet whale Nov 23, 2020, 9:16 PM

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aura buffs are like my least favorite ways to tune specs

grizzled jay Nov 23, 2020, 9:16 PM

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5% isn't enough but they will low-ball

balmy condor Nov 23, 2020, 9:16 PM

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heady elm yo are the sims pretty accurate for ass being not the best atm?

its accurate that sin is shit yeah

grizzled jay Nov 23, 2020, 9:16 PM

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and then in 9.1 get another buff

heady elm Nov 23, 2020, 9:17 PM

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😦 rip

fleet whale Nov 23, 2020, 9:17 PM

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would rather have targetted buffs for mut, envenom, and rupture

light harbor Nov 23, 2020, 9:17 PM

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I also dont like slice and dice for sin it kinda feels bad

grizzled jay Nov 23, 2020, 9:17 PM

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Aura buffs are the best way to tune specs if the spec has a good damage profile

bleak glacier Nov 23, 2020, 9:18 PM

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i heard that snd gives us haste, is that true?

light harbor Nov 23, 2020, 9:18 PM

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Yea

balmy condor Nov 23, 2020, 9:18 PM

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no

light harbor Nov 23, 2020, 9:18 PM

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10% more i think

balmy condor Nov 23, 2020, 9:18 PM

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it gives energy regen

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not haste

light harbor Nov 23, 2020, 9:18 PM

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Oh yea

bleak glacier Nov 23, 2020, 9:19 PM

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hmm ok

light harbor Nov 23, 2020, 9:19 PM

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Thats what i meant

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Idk if its noticeable though

balmy condor Nov 23, 2020, 9:19 PM

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its not really noticable

grizzled jay Nov 23, 2020, 9:19 PM

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it was a dps loss from the old +20% extra AS from Rank 2

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kekw

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people begged for a dps loss basically

sand otter Nov 23, 2020, 9:20 PM

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i just hate we are behind, when in pre patch i was at the top of the meters for a while

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worked really hard on getting the rotation down too

balmy condor Nov 23, 2020, 9:20 PM

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the dps loss was really slight

strange python Nov 23, 2020, 9:21 PM

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Is kyrian still best option?

balmy condor Nov 23, 2020, 9:21 PM

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strange python Is kyrian still best option?

they're all good

strange python Nov 23, 2020, 9:21 PM

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what u goin whisp

fleet whale Nov 23, 2020, 9:21 PM

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people wanted SnD to do more for sin gameplay wise than just more AA damage

balmy condor Nov 23, 2020, 9:21 PM

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I'm personally going kyrian because I like the ability

heady elm Nov 23, 2020, 9:23 PM

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Coven? I'm probably going Kyrian

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I just came back to wow couple days ago, decided I was gonna main my rogue yesterday, hadn't played since start of BFA so was going sin, but now I'm rethinking

bleak glacier Nov 23, 2020, 9:24 PM

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is it hard to land echoing reprimand with seal fate?

balmy condor Nov 23, 2020, 9:24 PM

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no

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garrote gives 1cp, you have 45 seconds, shiv gives 1-2 depending on sf

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you can force it pretty comfortably

fleet whale Nov 23, 2020, 9:25 PM

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you don't even really need to force it

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just when you get the right cps, use your finisher

balmy condor Nov 23, 2020, 9:25 PM

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I mean

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ideally a shiv'd envenom

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would be the best bet

fleet whale Nov 23, 2020, 9:26 PM

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idk, i thought the consensus ended up being that ER is just a fire off on cd thing now

grave egret Nov 23, 2020, 9:26 PM

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are assassination close to sub rogue? or too far? (for raid=

fleet whale Nov 23, 2020, 9:26 PM

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and you use your empowered finisher when you can

balmy condor Nov 23, 2020, 9:26 PM

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grave egret are assassination close to sub rogue? or too far? (for raid=

don't play sin

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the consensus is ER on cd

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but ideally you would spend the animacharge on a shiv'd envenom

strange python Nov 23, 2020, 9:27 PM

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I think I might go night fae tbh

grave egret Nov 23, 2020, 9:27 PM

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balmy condor don't play sin

T.T i like assassin but for progress i must play sub T.T

sand otter Nov 23, 2020, 9:28 PM

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i cant do it lol

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if i had to choose between sub and not raiding

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i would not raid

light harbor Nov 23, 2020, 9:28 PM

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lol

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The sin rogue dream is real

sand otter Nov 23, 2020, 9:28 PM

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i just dont enjoy it i gave it my all

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but im not mythic raiding

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So i understand the people wanting that extra push

balmy condor Nov 23, 2020, 9:40 PM

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god sin feels so comfy

sand otter Nov 23, 2020, 9:41 PM

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YES

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GIVE IN

balmy condor Nov 23, 2020, 9:42 PM

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but my damage

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:(

sand otter Nov 23, 2020, 9:42 PM

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for me if its more comfortable to play i will do more damage in the end, stay alive more, and be more useful to the raid team

strange python Nov 23, 2020, 9:57 PM

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fk I can't figure out if I want to go night fae or not

chilly cosmos Nov 23, 2020, 9:57 PM

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There will be nerfs, just go venthyr

gusty pasture Nov 23, 2020, 10:05 PM

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going necro and the venthyr for my rogue and sp

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necro lord is looking quite good 🙂

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at least fpr ,y cačcs

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for my cacls

surreal solar Nov 23, 2020, 10:09 PM

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I’m likely to just go to my druid till they do the shifts post heroic/first mythic week

heavy vessel Nov 23, 2020, 10:15 PM

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so opener with sbtf is gar > ? > gar? It's ok to clip empowered garrote in this way?

balmy condor Nov 23, 2020, 10:16 PM

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gar mut gar with subt

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well

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not anymore

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you wouldn't double dip without SS

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so in shadowlands, with subt, you would gar ambush slice

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or gar mut slice, depending how you like your damage

heavy vessel Nov 23, 2020, 10:18 PM

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so just 1 gar then?

balmy condor Nov 23, 2020, 10:19 PM

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correct

heavy vessel Nov 23, 2020, 10:19 PM

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ty

silent kettle Nov 23, 2020, 10:21 PM

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What are the benefits of Mut over Ambush in the opener?

balmy condor Nov 23, 2020, 10:21 PM

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more cp, makes it smoother

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it's a minor downgrade

shadow tulip Nov 23, 2020, 10:23 PM

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Let's go boiz

fleet whale Nov 23, 2020, 10:26 PM

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i'm doing a 400 iq move for leveling guys

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i'm gonna level with war mode off... less people overall

shadow tulip Nov 23, 2020, 10:27 PM

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Lul

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You sure?

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I was ON the whole expac

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Turned off for leveling

fleet whale Nov 23, 2020, 10:27 PM

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idk i'm just leveling with war mode off

balmy condor Nov 23, 2020, 10:28 PM

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leveling warmode off is the comfy experience

olive latch Nov 23, 2020, 10:28 PM

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hmm

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i think my pins are bugged its showing combat pins in assasination channel

fleet whale Nov 23, 2020, 10:29 PM

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plus i want to enjoy the storyline

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i'm in no rush to 60

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and it's not like there is a huge benefit to leveling to 60 ASAP lol

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other than bragging rights

real bay Nov 23, 2020, 10:31 PM

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nobody cares in 2 weeks who was first

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xd

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or 2 days

olive latch Nov 23, 2020, 10:37 PM

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so sorry to ask but im seeing outlaw pins for assassination for some reason

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is it still night fae = venthyr > kyrian

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for assassin?

balmy condor Nov 23, 2020, 10:37 PM

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kyrian and night fae are the 2 big ones people are going

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kyrian is technically better early, night fae later

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but they're all close enough for you to pick whatever you want

scenic thunder Nov 23, 2020, 10:38 PM

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Hi guys, how are you in terms of convenant?I'm between venthyr, necrolord and kyrian

balmy condor Nov 23, 2020, 10:38 PM

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I'm personally going kyrian

scenic thunder Nov 23, 2020, 10:39 PM

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Night fae seems pretty good in aoe, but i think they'll nerf it right away, and i didnt like the nerf to not cause the empowered garrotes when you insta vanish using sepsis

fleet whale Nov 23, 2020, 10:41 PM

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i'm going venth

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vampire life

balmy condor Nov 23, 2020, 10:42 PM

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scenic thunder Night fae seems pretty good in aoe, but i think they'll nerf it right away, and ...

picking covenant based on damage is kinda troll tbh

true stag Nov 23, 2020, 10:43 PM

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!guide

prisma monolithBOT Nov 23, 2020, 10:43 PM

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Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

scenic thunder Nov 23, 2020, 10:43 PM

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If I were to choose by pure style, I think I would go venthyr or necrolords, but damage is always good since all skills are pretty nice to use

fleet whale Nov 23, 2020, 10:44 PM

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however, i do think kyrian has an argument for most useful utility ability in it's potion

balmy condor Nov 23, 2020, 10:44 PM

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then go venthyr or necro

fleet whale Nov 23, 2020, 10:44 PM

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for rogues anyway

balmy condor Nov 23, 2020, 10:44 PM

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if that's what you think is the best

fleet whale Nov 23, 2020, 10:44 PM

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having another potion is really nice

balmy condor Nov 23, 2020, 10:45 PM

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I feel like this entire expansion I'm gonna have to beat people until they stop trying to get spoonfed the best this and the best that

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not sure if that's better than 34%

fleet whale Nov 23, 2020, 10:45 PM

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yeah but whisp, your worst enemy is going to exist all of SL

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wowmeta.com

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and i'm sure WCL is gonna have a covenant section

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to show what covenants people are running

pliant apex Nov 23, 2020, 10:46 PM

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anyone going to main sin?

balmy condor Nov 23, 2020, 10:47 PM

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I'm gonna try it in raid and then probably swap off cause its trash

pliant apex Nov 23, 2020, 10:47 PM

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heh

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you good at sub too whisp?

balmy condor Nov 23, 2020, 10:47 PM

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I'll have to be

pliant apex Nov 23, 2020, 10:47 PM

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hmm

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your guild CE kind?

balmy condor Nov 23, 2020, 10:48 PM

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no

fleet whale Nov 23, 2020, 10:48 PM

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honestly if a spec is so bad

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it's hard to play it at any level

balmy condor Nov 23, 2020, 10:48 PM

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but I can't stand being bad at the game

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XD

fleet whale Nov 23, 2020, 10:48 PM

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there is a case that current SL sin

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is worse than post nerf bfa sub

high ingot Nov 23, 2020, 10:54 PM

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hmm, leveling with master assassin or subterfuge? 🤔

balmy condor Nov 23, 2020, 10:55 PM

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I would personally go ma

fleet whale Nov 23, 2020, 10:55 PM

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i would personally go sub

pliant apex Nov 23, 2020, 10:55 PM

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but why would we play sin if its so bad

scenic thunder Nov 23, 2020, 10:56 PM

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I think it's really fun to see several numbers going up per second, i have some sort of a fetish in dots, thats why i love assassination and affliction

balmy condor Nov 23, 2020, 10:57 PM

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pliant apex but why would we play sin if its so bad

you wouldn't kekw

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that's why I'm going sub

pliant apex Nov 23, 2020, 11:04 PM

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shits out now?

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heh everybody stopped typing so guess yes lol

balmy condor Nov 23, 2020, 11:07 PM

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I mean, it should be, if you can log in

pliant apex Nov 23, 2020, 11:07 PM

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yea stuck on load screen

tropic ocean Nov 23, 2020, 11:31 PM

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whyyy kyrian again

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q_Q

jagged axle Nov 23, 2020, 11:46 PM

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you're sub whispyr?

balmy condor Nov 23, 2020, 11:47 PM

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I'm going to level sub yes

pliant apex Nov 23, 2020, 11:48 PM

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yea forget it cant log in, ill try tomorrow

near coyote Nov 23, 2020, 11:48 PM

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@pliant apex what server

dense rivet Nov 24, 2020, 12:34 AM

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what is the best covenant?

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 12:37 AM

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they're all close enough

strange python Nov 24, 2020, 1:19 AM

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rip shrouded suffocation

jagged axle Nov 24, 2020, 1:33 AM

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switched to sub

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life sucks

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hope i can go back in a patch or 2

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i am a traitor

hollow geyser Nov 24, 2020, 1:37 AM

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should i stick with assassin or switch to sub

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no idea

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i dont like sub

delicate needle Nov 24, 2020, 1:38 AM

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you answered your own question

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 1:38 AM

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if you don't like sub, and you don't need the damage gain from playing it

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then stick with sin

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if you need to be competitive damage wise

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don't stick with sin

hollow geyser Nov 24, 2020, 1:38 AM

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ye but im wondering howbig is the diffrence

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is sub way more big dick than sin or is it just 1-5% better

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 1:39 AM

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15% single target 30% aoe

hollow geyser Nov 24, 2020, 1:39 AM

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yikes

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 1:39 AM

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if you played bfa

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bfa sub was closer to sin at the time

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than sin is to the other 2 specs right now

hollow geyser Nov 24, 2020, 1:39 AM

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playing sub rn in bastion and feels very very slow

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hmm

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 1:40 AM

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sin will be much much slower

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XD

hollow geyser Nov 24, 2020, 1:40 AM

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maybe beacause of azarite being gone

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?

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 1:40 AM

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memory and azerite, yeah

hollow geyser Nov 24, 2020, 1:40 AM

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hmm

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ill countinue playing as sub

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maybe ill get used to it

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im just so used to sin

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at this point

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preesing the DOT keys when i'm 5 combo is muscle memory for me at this point

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so its hard for me to switch up

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 1:42 AM

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muscle memory takes time

hollow geyser Nov 24, 2020, 1:42 AM

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yeah its just so annoying to me rn

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ill countinue playing

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maybe ill like it

strange python Nov 24, 2020, 1:51 AM

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ya this kinda sucks without shrouded suffocation

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energy gain is super slow too

fleet whale Nov 24, 2020, 1:52 AM

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ER hits hard

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like it chunks for leveling

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and lol improved poisons rank 3 still doesn't work

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remove it blizz or give us a real perk

strange python Nov 24, 2020, 2:03 AM

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haha ya

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gonna gut my sin build rq and see if i can piece something together

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don't like sub still haha

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just tried it again

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hmm playin sin kinda like a sub does kinda work tho, i was messing with this in pvp

dry atlas Nov 24, 2020, 2:08 AM

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sub good sin bad

strange python Nov 24, 2020, 2:08 AM

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subterfuge + ambush X3

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into envenom

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i actually like that better than the sub opener too

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just going straight into 3 ambush

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coming out with 6 cp right into a full venom

dry atlas Nov 24, 2020, 2:09 AM

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what about rupture and garrote

strange python Nov 24, 2020, 2:10 AM

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MFD into rupture

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then garrote

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slice and dice

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back into venom

dry atlas Nov 24, 2020, 2:10 AM

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sounds sketchy af

strange python Nov 24, 2020, 2:10 AM

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ehh normal pve is ez

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right away it does like 15k dmg

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then you put your bleeds on for the bigger targets

jagged axle Nov 24, 2020, 2:11 AM

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what levelr u guys

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 2:11 AM

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50 cause I can't log in

sick scarab Nov 24, 2020, 2:11 AM

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guys anyone using afenar ?

dry atlas Nov 24, 2020, 2:11 AM

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just use crimson tempest

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yes

jagged axle Nov 24, 2020, 2:12 AM

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what realm are you guys on?

strange python Nov 24, 2020, 2:12 AM

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oh ya

jagged axle Nov 24, 2020, 2:12 AM

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or server even

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 2:12 AM

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a52, cause I can't log in

strange python Nov 24, 2020, 2:12 AM

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that would be good

fallow otter Nov 24, 2020, 2:12 AM

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Attacking one mob while leveling kekchamp

dry atlas Nov 24, 2020, 2:12 AM

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and i know the kyrian CP isnt highlighted in the WA

sick scarab Nov 24, 2020, 2:12 AM

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ah spirit k

strange python Nov 24, 2020, 2:12 AM

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gonna check it out now

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with haste and mastery my rupture does about 5x what it reads in the tooltip so tempest might be good

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ambushx3 into venom is enough to kill trash tho so that's good

dry atlas Nov 24, 2020, 2:16 AM

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yyeah but why are you fighting mobs 1 by 1

fallow otter Nov 24, 2020, 2:18 AM

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His gear might not be great

dry atlas Nov 24, 2020, 2:18 AM

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i was ilvl 75 pulling 5 mobs with rank 1 black powder

fallow otter Nov 24, 2020, 2:19 AM

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I've run out of excuses

strange python Nov 24, 2020, 2:20 AM

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oh

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i'm not rushing or anything

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not really my playstyle to pull big packs either

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i like getting surgical like the old school rogue playstyle

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still gonna use outlaw for m+ tho

fallow otter Nov 24, 2020, 2:27 AM

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Ye

winged storm Nov 24, 2020, 2:37 AM

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what is the best covenant for assassin?

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 2:38 AM

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the one you prefer

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but if you're really really really REALLY into like a 20 dps gain, kyrian early, night fae later on

strange python Nov 24, 2020, 2:42 AM

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haha

winged storm Nov 24, 2020, 2:47 AM

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oof that extra 20 dps gain

drifting cosmos Nov 24, 2020, 3:19 AM

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Or going sub get 10-15% gain? Weirdchamp

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 3:20 AM

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I respect the desire to be optimal even if you're not playing the best spec

sick scarab Nov 24, 2020, 3:25 AM

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!wa

prisma monolithBOT Nov 24, 2020, 3:25 AM

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Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

fallow otter Nov 24, 2020, 3:27 AM

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balmy condor I respect the desire to be optimal even if you're not playing the best spec

I don't haha it doesn't make sense to me

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 3:27 AM

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peeposhrug

fallow otter Nov 24, 2020, 3:29 AM

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It's like picking a 3 legged horse for a race and then making sure you braid its hair for minimum air resistance

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 3:31 AM

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the game is meant to be fun

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if sub and outlaw are not fun for you

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why not try to make the best out of what's fun for you

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by that logic, fuck sin, we abandon, fuck the sims, no need to optimize anything, delete all the pins, put the channel on read only

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and that mentality to just give up on something that's fun for you is unacceptable

olive egret Nov 24, 2020, 3:34 AM

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Im with Whisp. Fuck sub 😡

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 3:35 AM

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like stunkei, don't get me wrong man, I feel you, you have to squeeze out the dps for your raid

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I get it

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but if you're someone who just gets like aotc or something, the general populous, if you want, and they enjoy sin

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why not optimize sin

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no one i've talked to wants to half-ass whatever they play

void pecan Nov 24, 2020, 3:47 AM

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That's why until they buff sin, I'm choosing one of the others

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not a top 100 raider, but 15% less damage

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is

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rough

kindred wind Nov 24, 2020, 4:00 AM

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Is sin the weakest rogue spec going into this expac?

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 4:00 AM

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very much so

kindred wind Nov 24, 2020, 4:01 AM

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Damn, I’m so tired of rolling bones

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At least it’s not a finisher now

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 4:01 AM

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sub is good

jagged axle Nov 24, 2020, 4:03 AM

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u think blizz will just nerf sub and hope for the best for assass lmfao

fleet whale Nov 24, 2020, 4:04 AM

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i just topped meters in normal necrotic wake

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am i a pro yet?

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 4:04 AM

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well then outlaw will still be 15% ahead

fleet whale Nov 24, 2020, 4:04 AM

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(as sub, not sin lol)

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 4:04 AM

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and that's not worth anything

fleet whale Nov 24, 2020, 4:04 AM

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i was just being silly

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and i don't think sub will get nerfed

fallow otter Nov 24, 2020, 4:11 AM

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Im not saying going sin is a bad idea or you shouldn't do it, I'm just saying picking sin and then worrying about 20dps doesn't make sense

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 4:12 AM

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if you're a garbage collector, be the best garbage collector you can be
if you only raid lfr, be the best lfr player you can be

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I don't think that's a bad mentality

fallow otter Nov 24, 2020, 4:16 AM

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I know it's a different frame of mind from what I am in

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But the part I don't understand is how you can not care about shitloads of dps over here and then care about a tiny amount of dps over there

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 4:17 AM

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a spec is more than the number attached to it

fallow otter Nov 24, 2020, 4:17 AM

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I guess it's more about why other specs aren't on the table

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 4:18 AM

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if you like playing survival, and don't like ranged

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then why wouldn't you try to be good at survival

fallow otter Nov 24, 2020, 4:18 AM

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balmy condor a spec is more than the number attached to it

Sure they why care about 20dps if covs have just as much flavour as the spec

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 4:19 AM

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because that 20dps is in your control

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covenants are a choice you have to make

fallow otter Nov 24, 2020, 4:19 AM

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So it's your spec

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 4:19 AM

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playing your character to the best of your ability is a mental choice, not one that the game makes you choose

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just like playing sin, which may be a spec you find more fun, is a mental choice

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I could play sub

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but I'm not a giga gamer who needs that damage

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and I enjoy sin more

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so I have playing sin

fallow otter Nov 24, 2020, 4:20 AM

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Yeah I understand that

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 4:20 AM

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that doesn't mean I'll just play one hand off the keyboard

fallow otter Nov 24, 2020, 4:20 AM

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Which I can see how that works

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 4:20 AM

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I want to be good at what I play

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and if I play sin

fallow otter Nov 24, 2020, 4:20 AM

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But why not pick a cov for the same reason then?

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Same reason you pick sin

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 4:21 AM

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because that's a more permanent decision

fallow otter Nov 24, 2020, 4:21 AM

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Pick cov for same reason

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 4:21 AM

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I am

fallow otter Nov 24, 2020, 4:21 AM

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Not really

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 4:21 AM

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I'm playing kyrian because its fun to me

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not because its the highest dps

fallow otter Nov 24, 2020, 4:21 AM

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It's not perm at all

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 4:21 AM

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keyword is more

fallow otter Nov 24, 2020, 4:22 AM

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It wasn't you picking for 20dps though

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 4:22 AM

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CLF and worldvein were better on some fights, and people still played blood

fallow otter Nov 24, 2020, 4:22 AM

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So you agree with what I'm saying

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 4:22 AM

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that's much much easier to change than covenants

fallow otter Nov 24, 2020, 4:22 AM

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Coz you are following the same

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 4:22 AM

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but people still optimized for blood

fallow otter Nov 24, 2020, 4:22 AM

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Blood damage profile suited better

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 4:23 AM

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oh please

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blood wasn't the best essence for every fight and you know that as well as I do

fallow otter Nov 24, 2020, 4:23 AM

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Played both

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 4:23 AM

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damage profile be damned

fallow otter Nov 24, 2020, 4:23 AM

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I did both

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 4:23 AM

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the instant damge it did was negligible anyway

fallow otter Nov 24, 2020, 4:23 AM

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I gotta bounce bbl bro

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Work shit

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 4:24 AM

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hope it goes well man

jagged axle Nov 24, 2020, 4:36 AM

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ok wait now that i've played sub in a dungeon it's not as boring as i thought

fallow otter Nov 24, 2020, 4:51 AM

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Ofc not

glad garden Nov 24, 2020, 5:22 AM

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So i've been Sin since wrath and have always loved it but my original love was Vanilla to Wrath Sub specs. Does Sin continue to do well dps wise compared to Sub or has it fallen behind this go around by a noticable amount. Im very use to Sin's playstyle now and would be relearning Sub which might take a good bit. But if the dps is much more in sub than Sin im willing to do it and go for it. But if their very close and comparable i think i would prefer to stay sin just based on comfort level.

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 5:23 AM

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its 15% in single target and 30% in aoe

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if you aren't pushing anything, and you aren't in a guild that will care, play what you want to

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it'll be fine for heroic raids and stuff

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but the gap between the two is immense right now

glad garden Nov 24, 2020, 5:28 AM

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Im in a somewhat high end guild we was pushing 12/12 mythic in bfa top 10 on thrall and top 1000 in world. I plan hopefully to be running with them this go around as long as permits it thats the end game for me. and im guessing you was saying subs dps is immense over sins ?

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 5:28 AM

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yeah if you're top 1000 you're in the wrong channel

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LUL

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you'll get stomped if you play sin

glad garden Nov 24, 2020, 5:29 AM

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thats a shame but i understand

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 5:29 AM

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trust me man

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hurts for me too

glad garden Nov 24, 2020, 5:29 AM

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im not hating on sub though as said it's my favorite all time spec

ionic matrix Nov 24, 2020, 5:29 AM

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completely premature to say Whispyr

glad garden Nov 24, 2020, 5:29 AM

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but thats back in bc and wrath with talent trees and points lol

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Sub is completely different now than then

ionic matrix Nov 24, 2020, 5:30 AM

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remember when outlaw was hands down the best in legion and they nerfed it to be the worst

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there will be a tuning pass soon

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 5:30 AM

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sure

glad garden Nov 24, 2020, 5:30 AM

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i still have yet to play outlaw ever XD

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 5:30 AM

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but neither of us have a crystal ball

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so as it stands right now

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if you're mythic pushing

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sin is unplayable

glad garden Nov 24, 2020, 5:30 AM

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i even fought illuminati leaders back in the days to refuse to play combat LOL

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 5:31 AM

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could they buff sin by like 20% and all of a sudden its crazy op?

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of course

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but right now

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now

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no chance

ionic matrix Nov 24, 2020, 5:31 AM

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They probably wont, because sub was so bad last expansion it deserves its time to shine

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 5:31 AM

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I'm the last person you need to tell "wait for buffs" XD

glad garden Nov 24, 2020, 5:32 AM

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tons of people have harped on sub getting shafted for a long time so i can't blame them for wanting and getting some love

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they deserve it

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same with feral druids who i feel bad for and continue to get shafted

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 5:32 AM

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I would like all the specs to be viable so people can play what they find most fun

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but I think sub should be the better spec

glad garden Nov 24, 2020, 5:32 AM

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same whisp

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guess i need to find me a quality sub guide then with legit explanation of openers and what to use. im going into this bad boy blind

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 5:34 AM

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this discord is the place to be then :P

glad garden Nov 24, 2020, 5:34 AM

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yeah it's never failed me over the years

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 5:34 AM

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fuu and the gang are great theorycrafters

glad garden Nov 24, 2020, 5:35 AM

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only thing im worried about is my dps going so low on subt compared to sin just based on knowing the rotations so well and not having to think about it

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im sure with practice and repition sub will come to me though

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 5:36 AM

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I'm sure you can do it

glad garden Nov 24, 2020, 5:36 AM

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any reccomendations on the best guide you've liked so far

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theirs tons out there

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 5:37 AM

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I personally like the layout of wowhead

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its written by mystler, another wonderful tc

glad garden Nov 24, 2020, 5:37 AM

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i checked wowheads earlier but didn't see a rotation setup i don't think

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maybe i missed it

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 5:38 AM

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glad garden i checked wowheads earlier but didn't see a rotation setup i don't think

https://www.wowhead.com/subtlety-rogue-rotation-guide

Wowhead

Subtlety Rogue Rotation Guide - Shadowlands 9.0.2

Learn everything you need to know about Subtlety Rogue Rotations, Spell Priorities, Utility, Cooldown Usage and much more! Updated with the latest Shadowlands Pre-Patch 9.0.1 info.

glad garden Nov 24, 2020, 5:38 AM

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nvm im dumb i did see it lol

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he even put a dumbed down easy version in there as well i noticed earlier

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now to try and get my action bars set up so it flows well

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 5:42 AM

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Good luck

glad garden Nov 24, 2020, 5:46 AM

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thanks i appreciate it and if i don't enjoy it i'll comeback to sin and take the dps loss for now and just enjoy the game itself. enjoying my char. is more important than a bit more dps to me in the end 🙂

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 5:47 AM

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My pleasure, I’ll be here for you if you do come back :P

fallow otter Nov 24, 2020, 6:10 AM

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Ok I'm back

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I get to start leveling in 4 hours whisp

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 6:17 AM

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POGGIES

fallow otter Nov 24, 2020, 6:18 AM

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Going full degenerate for 5 days

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 6:18 AM

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I'm hosting thanksgiving so I have to clean and shit tomorrow and wednesday

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kinda sadge

fallow otter Nov 24, 2020, 6:18 AM

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Sadge af

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How many donks do you have coming around?

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And are we talking turkey I hear it's a sin (relevant) to not have turkey but I'm Aussie so I have nfi

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 6:20 AM

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we are talking turkey

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and covid is still a big issue here so just my immediate family that I would've seen anyway

fallow otter Nov 24, 2020, 6:20 AM

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Yep smart

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Do you carve your turkey with a knife or a dagger

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 6:21 AM

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whats the difference kekw

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2 knives, have to have an offhand

fallow otter Nov 24, 2020, 6:21 AM

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Big true

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Don't cover them in poison

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The Turkey is already dead

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 6:22 AM

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I always forget my poisons, won't be an issue

amber plinth Nov 24, 2020, 6:41 AM

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have ppl tested assa? every streamer is Sub.

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 6:41 AM

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that's because sin is horribly undertuned atm

amber plinth Nov 24, 2020, 6:46 AM

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dumb question but what does sin mean?

fallow otter Nov 24, 2020, 6:47 AM

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It's when you do something bad according to the bible

amber plinth Nov 24, 2020, 6:47 AM

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Yes, i saw that one coming

fallow otter Nov 24, 2020, 6:48 AM

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Or short for assassination

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😋

amber plinth Nov 24, 2020, 6:48 AM

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ah, thank you for clarifying this.

fallow otter Nov 24, 2020, 6:48 AM

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You're welcome

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Sorry for the smart ass comment first but I'm stuck at work and it helps pass the time

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kekchamp

amber plinth Nov 24, 2020, 6:50 AM

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Yes, I feel you. stuck here aswell. wish i could be home playing 😋

winter moss Nov 24, 2020, 7:23 AM

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Well, so long friends. Hope to see you in 2 years! peeposalute

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 7:23 AM

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SWGsalute

halcyon oak Nov 24, 2020, 7:32 AM

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Leveling as sin has been just fine for me so far

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Echoing reprimand is a little trickier to trigger than I expected but it gives you plenty of time to get it right

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 7:33 AM

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yeah I tried sin for a little

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and it was just slower

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but I'm glad its working for you

halcyon oak Nov 24, 2020, 7:35 AM

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I'm using marked for death and it doesn't feel all that slow but I haven't tried sub yet, I imagine it could very well be faster

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I'm also using the kidney shot bleed talent cuz that's just fun

fringe lily Nov 24, 2020, 8:41 AM

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What happened with kyrian now being better than night fae? What did I miss

shadow tulip Nov 24, 2020, 8:41 AM

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Early

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 8:42 AM

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it is early, yeah

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later on with more renown a couple months down, night fae will be better

fringe lily Nov 24, 2020, 8:43 AM

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Cant stand the look of kyrian, might still just go night fae

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 8:43 AM

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that's perfectly fine

fringe lily Nov 24, 2020, 8:46 AM

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Nice, day no longer ruined

grim jay Nov 24, 2020, 8:53 AM

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maxed and am standing before the table. just going to bed for now and think about cov later again lul

normal plover Nov 24, 2020, 8:59 AM

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is there a chart with the dps diff between convenants

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 8:59 AM

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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT Nov 24, 2020, 8:59 AM

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Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 8:59 AM

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normal plover is there a chart with the dps diff between convenants

right there :)

normal plover Nov 24, 2020, 9:06 AM

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this makes my convenant decision no easier lol

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 9:06 AM

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pick whatever your heart desires

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they're all good

knotty bear Nov 24, 2020, 9:12 AM

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why'd sin get no love. Already bored of sub and I am only just in revendreth

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 9:12 AM

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they deserve some time in the spotlight too

normal plover Nov 24, 2020, 9:12 AM

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cross your fingers for some tuning for them

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 9:12 AM

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we'll be good again eventually

knotty bear Nov 24, 2020, 9:12 AM

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sub in spotlight doesnt have to mean sin this far behind though :p

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 9:13 AM

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fair fair

grizzled jay Nov 24, 2020, 9:15 AM

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thanks Blizzo 🙂

📎 unknown.png

copper mural Nov 24, 2020, 9:22 AM

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grizzled jay thanks Blizzo 🙂

whats that

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 9:22 AM

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that's the fok conduit

grizzled jay Nov 24, 2020, 9:24 AM

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couldn't give me a good conduit for a good spec

ornate lake Nov 24, 2020, 9:40 AM

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!stats

prisma monolithBOT Nov 24, 2020, 9:40 AM

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**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

pliant apex Nov 24, 2020, 9:41 AM

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How’s sin feeling .
?

strange python Nov 24, 2020, 9:41 AM

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thirsty

amber plinth Nov 24, 2020, 9:42 AM

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PVP wise, how even are the covenants?

strange python Nov 24, 2020, 9:42 AM

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pvp wise close but kyrian is winning

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i'm probs going NF or Vamp tho

amber plinth Nov 24, 2020, 9:43 AM

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no love for Necro? 🙂

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 9:43 AM

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necro is probably the weakest cov atm

strange python Nov 24, 2020, 9:43 AM

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necro 3rd choice fo rme

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i like flavor haha

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kryian 4th for me flavor wise

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oh and it feels weird cuz we don't have azerite powers anymore

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no more shrouded suffocation setups

amber plinth Nov 24, 2020, 9:45 AM

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That's gotta feel so wrong

strange python Nov 24, 2020, 9:47 AM

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ya my dps is wayyy fuckin down now in arena wow

summer marten Nov 24, 2020, 9:48 AM

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pliant apex How’s sin feeling . ?

feels worst it has been since vanilla, but thats just me... pure gameplay and feel, didnt even look at numbers

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 9:49 AM

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yeah maybe balance wise

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but feel wise no way

summer marten Nov 24, 2020, 9:49 AM

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just to make it clear

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 9:49 AM

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def you :P

amber plinth Nov 24, 2020, 9:51 AM

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how does ventyr feel for sin?

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 9:52 AM

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feels fine

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you can play with all the abilities during leveling

amber plinth Nov 24, 2020, 9:53 AM

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Stuck at work 😦

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 9:53 AM

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ye just saying when you get around to leveling

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you can test for yourself

amber plinth Nov 24, 2020, 9:53 AM

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Thanks 🙂

strange python Nov 24, 2020, 9:53 AM

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i don't know how I lost so much haste

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my gear is like the same

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 9:54 AM

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stats scale during leveling

strange python Nov 24, 2020, 9:54 AM

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ahh gotchya

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 9:55 AM

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at least I think they do

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not actually sure

strange python Nov 24, 2020, 9:55 AM

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haha ya i switched out a few pieces too with even more haste

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but i'm still down

willow vine Nov 24, 2020, 10:04 AM

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team night fae?

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 10:04 AM

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kyrian personally

willow vine Nov 24, 2020, 10:04 AM

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came down to the wire for me

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stared at the two for like 10 mins

fast pond Nov 24, 2020, 10:08 AM

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idk where else to ask but i cant get echoing reprimand WA's to work, specifically ones that show me the CP

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im using this one https://wago.io/hYBEvjsAF

Echoing Reprimand for Rogue | Afenar

This is a very simple WA that glows the afenar combo point section for whichever buff you've landed on when using E

cedar bramble Nov 24, 2020, 10:08 AM

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Anyone knwo Nightfae now better as Kyrian cause of thPush ?

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 10:09 AM

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each cp has its own ID

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nightfae is better with more renown

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kyrians better early

fast pond Nov 24, 2020, 10:09 AM

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oh lol

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 10:10 AM

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idk why that one wouldn't work though

fast pond Nov 24, 2020, 10:10 AM

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ok yeah figured it out

strange python Nov 24, 2020, 10:10 AM

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damn well it was a nice few weeks of prepatch dealing like 200k dmg in arena

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 10:10 AM

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just thought I should mention it

strange python Nov 24, 2020, 10:10 AM

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now i'm doing like 20k

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i felt liek such a ba

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rip

fast pond Nov 24, 2020, 10:10 AM

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i unchecked the "spell known" load condition and it works

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 10:10 AM

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aha

strange python Nov 24, 2020, 10:12 AM

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oh well still a fuckin gorgeous exp

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sure it will level out once I level

copper mural Nov 24, 2020, 10:13 AM

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should i hold my dungeon quests for level 60? so the gear scales?

ember fern Nov 24, 2020, 10:13 AM

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!guide

prisma monolithBOT Nov 24, 2020, 10:13 AM

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Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 10:13 AM

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copper mural should i hold my dungeon quests for level 60? so the gear scales?

shouldn't matter, you'll replace that quest stuff real quick

wind zenith Nov 24, 2020, 10:14 AM

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did we get our ninja aura buff yet

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 10:14 AM

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no

copper mural Nov 24, 2020, 10:14 AM

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i got 130 gs from bfa, what gs is the gear from the dungeon quests at level 60

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 10:15 AM

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shrugR

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but I know heroic drops 171, and the quest gear isn't higher than that

copper mural Nov 24, 2020, 10:15 AM

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so it should be worth to save the quest

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 10:16 AM

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I mean, sure

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if you want the gear upgrade for normal dungeons

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I personally really don't think it matters

copper mural Nov 24, 2020, 10:16 AM

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hmm okay, thanks 🙂

solar latch Nov 24, 2020, 10:25 AM

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back to playing WOW

night cypress Nov 24, 2020, 11:05 AM

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does anyone know if ns snapshots flaggelation?

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 11:05 AM

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I don't believe so

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each lash is its own instance of damage

night cypress Nov 24, 2020, 11:06 AM

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hmm cringe

dim yacht Nov 24, 2020, 11:10 AM

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is flagellation bugged for anyone else? i cant reactivate to consume stacks

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can only consume if they die with the debuff

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 11:10 AM

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there was a bug like that in beta

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possible it made it into live

dim yacht Nov 24, 2020, 11:13 AM

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yeah using it again does nothign

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 11:14 AM

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sounds like the beta bug

dim yacht Nov 24, 2020, 11:18 AM

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well i imagine till be fixed soon enough

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 11:19 AM

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most likely yeah

uncut schooner Nov 24, 2020, 11:52 AM

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Ey whisp

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Hope you're all enjoying shadowlands 🙂

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 11:53 AM

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ablobwave

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I'm a slow leveler, but is aight so far

summer marten Nov 24, 2020, 11:56 AM

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They really should have kept at least non damage part of ss... as it feels so clunky and awkward at the start of combat

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 11:59 AM

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lot of things they should've done tbh

placid dawn Nov 24, 2020, 12:17 PM

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so, sin is still 500 dps behind sub right?

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 12:17 PM

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yup

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600+

placid dawn Nov 24, 2020, 12:21 PM

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what a massive difference

outer lodge Nov 24, 2020, 12:22 PM

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i've been staring at the covenant choices for like 30 mins now...

proven wasp Nov 24, 2020, 12:49 PM

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i have too...

night cypress Nov 24, 2020, 12:56 PM

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same

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i'm thinking night fae because its fine for ass and sub

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but also kyrian is kinda fun

grim jay Nov 24, 2020, 1:24 PM

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so

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kyrian is fine aswell

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for everyone

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 1:24 PM

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yup

grim jay Nov 24, 2020, 1:24 PM

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if its fun to you just go for it

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I cant decide either rn

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 1:25 PM

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yup

grim jay Nov 24, 2020, 1:25 PM

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considering burrs will get nerfed prolly, I dont think you should get too hung up on NF being better in late renown levels

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@night cypress

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 1:26 PM

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we don't know if burrs is getting nerfed

grim jay Nov 24, 2020, 1:26 PM

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it still seems rather strong compared to everything else

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and else you can still just swap before you get to that point

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I guess 😄

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 1:27 PM

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its ahead for sure

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but considering how tight the tuning already is

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dunno how much tighter blizz wants to go

grim jay Nov 24, 2020, 1:28 PM

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my only worry that I head from the beginning till now is actually whats keeping me from picking a covenant till now

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which is stuff just being dispellable in pvp

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😄

normal pagoda Nov 24, 2020, 1:29 PM

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I don’t think that’s as big of a deal as people are making it out to be

grim jay Nov 24, 2020, 1:29 PM

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ye it might not be

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considering you usually cc stuff before you go for it

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especially in rogue setups

normal pagoda Nov 24, 2020, 1:30 PM

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Yes

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And claw was dispellable by healers it was still used

elder trench Nov 24, 2020, 1:31 PM

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Hey guys, new to sin here. Do you all tab target for spreading dots? Assassin multi target is awkward for me at the moment

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 1:32 PM

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yeah

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sometimes I click on the nameplate if I need a specific mob

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but i'd say 70-80% of the time, tab works fine

wide ridge Nov 24, 2020, 1:33 PM

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damn i didn't think i'd miss the shrouded suffocation extra combo points this much

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SucksMan

elder trench Nov 24, 2020, 1:33 PM

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Thanks

strange python Nov 24, 2020, 1:46 PM

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Play blindside and Master assassin for leveling, its nice

tropic ocean Nov 24, 2020, 1:48 PM

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outer lodge i've been staring at the covenant choices for like 30 mins now...

just pick whatever u like best

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34dps in st and 15 dps in cleave who gives a shit

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gonna rock blaster venthyr mog

elder trench Nov 24, 2020, 2:13 PM

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Kyrian ability seems complicated. Do I just use the buff to hit a big fat rupture?

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 2:13 PM

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big envenom

halcyon oak Nov 24, 2020, 2:18 PM

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I need to find a good weakaura for it, sometimes I expect to trigger the animacharge but it doesn't hit

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 2:21 PM

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ye I need to edit mine

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I just have them coloring blue atm

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but I don't like it really

frigid kestrel Nov 24, 2020, 2:27 PM

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O Shit its time its time tis time its time

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Ive been saying what covenant i was going to choose, and now that its time to choose..... IDK what to do

halcyon oak Nov 24, 2020, 2:31 PM

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Lol at least we have that luxury

frigid kestrel Nov 24, 2020, 2:32 PM

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LMAO

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One of the few classes that every spec is almost exactly balanced

tropic ocean Nov 24, 2020, 2:34 PM

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just whatever you want

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difference is very minor

frigid kestrel Nov 24, 2020, 2:36 PM

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I ended up assigning every one a Number and did a 1 - 4 random number formula on Excel........ Got NF

tropic ocean Nov 24, 2020, 2:36 PM

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nice

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after seeing sims I just took baller transmog

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because who cares about 10 dps when u look like a badass

visual token Nov 24, 2020, 2:36 PM

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Infinite teleport in rest area OP

frigid kestrel Nov 24, 2020, 2:37 PM

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TMOG dont Get better then T7 Tier set or Doomblade NH Set for me. I havnt seen anything that tops that yet

tropic ocean Nov 24, 2020, 2:38 PM

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u dont like the venthyr one?

frigid kestrel Nov 24, 2020, 2:38 PM

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Nope

tropic ocean Nov 24, 2020, 2:38 PM

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😮

halcyon oak Nov 24, 2020, 2:39 PM

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Nathria leather tho

stray ivy Nov 24, 2020, 2:51 PM

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best cuvenenant?

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Also was Sin buffed since last day of beta or is it still a clown in M+

frigid kestrel Nov 24, 2020, 2:53 PM

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Not buffed

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at all

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 2:53 PM

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sin is still bad

stray ivy Nov 24, 2020, 2:53 PM

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pathetic

nocturne orchid Nov 24, 2020, 3:01 PM

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Man kyrian sucks

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"oh you're just one combo point away from the proc? it would be a real shame if you were to crit right now"

frigid kestrel Nov 24, 2020, 3:02 PM

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You barely have to ever wprry about that situation tho

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and the buff is up uber long

fringe kraken Nov 24, 2020, 3:11 PM

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^

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easier than sub lol

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but even with sub you just need to wait for the aa cp proc

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Kyrian ER is the best cause it's so bursty

cold rampart Nov 24, 2020, 3:19 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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3 is the left or right

willow oracle Nov 24, 2020, 3:20 PM

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right

cold rampart Nov 24, 2020, 3:20 PM

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thank you

willow oracle Nov 24, 2020, 3:21 PM

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Even if it's just because Crimson Tempest would make no sense as best ST talent :)

fading quiver Nov 24, 2020, 3:30 PM

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Night Fae is legit for sin rogue?

shell atlas Nov 24, 2020, 3:44 PM

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anyone knows if when i finish the story with 1 char, if i need to do again on another char or i can skip?

lament dove Nov 24, 2020, 3:49 PM

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you can choose covenants right away with alts (few intro quest maybe I guess)

dense cedar Nov 24, 2020, 3:49 PM

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you wil lget an option to level a different way

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on an alt

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still have to do maw afaik

shell atlas Nov 24, 2020, 3:50 PM

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okay thanks guys

misty rock Nov 24, 2020, 4:44 PM

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No skips apparently btw

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Havent been able to load in

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@elder trench i use FoK for poisons and use the rest on the focus mob/add that is kos

elder trench Nov 24, 2020, 4:49 PM

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I figure fok is important for combo point building in place of mutilate in multi-target?

sonic spindle Nov 24, 2020, 4:59 PM

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If you had to describe sin in one sentence this expansion, what would it be?

civic palm Nov 24, 2020, 4:59 PM

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DoT Management, low APM.

sonic spindle Nov 24, 2020, 5:00 PM

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Sounds like normal sin, how’s the dps viability? And without SS is M+ even possible?

civic palm Nov 24, 2020, 5:01 PM

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@elder trench Since FoK generates 1CP by default and you need Seal Fate to generate more CP it will depend on how much Crit you have.

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@sonic spindle Super early for that IMO.

real bay Nov 24, 2020, 5:03 PM

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make sin great again

tropic ocean Nov 24, 2020, 5:04 PM

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sonic spindle If you had to describe sin in one sentence this expansion, what would it be?

From hero to zero

sonic spindle Nov 24, 2020, 5:14 PM

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I haven’t researched anything cuz I like going into an xpac somewhat blind, but I’m hearing bad things about sin.

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I’ll play sub, but my heart lives with sin if it’s actually that bad.

civic palm Nov 24, 2020, 5:17 PM

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Not sure how bad it will be in any practical setting.

sonic spindle Nov 24, 2020, 5:17 PM

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I need people smarter than me to tell me how worried I should be

civic palm Nov 24, 2020, 5:17 PM

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The kit doesn't need anything, nothing has been sabotaged, it's just a numbers/scaling thing.

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It's also a problem with them not really giving us anything new.

sonic spindle Nov 24, 2020, 5:18 PM

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I hated SS until it was gone...

summer marten Nov 24, 2020, 5:20 PM

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and its much worse than in bfa

sonic spindle Nov 24, 2020, 5:23 PM

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I’m just worried about investing time and effort into sin or legendaries or whatever, then it being super garbo and regretting not playing sub earlier.

hollow barn Nov 24, 2020, 5:24 PM

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Same.

summer marten Nov 24, 2020, 5:25 PM

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This is just my opinion though, but ive played and loved sin in bfa, and now as i get closer and closer to 60, more sure i am that im going sub. It feels so incredibly bad, worst since vanilla. With SS it might have been passable, but even getting through opener is so annoying

civic palm Nov 24, 2020, 5:25 PM

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Just wait on legendaries IMO.

fleet ginkgo Nov 24, 2020, 5:26 PM

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the sub rotation is so difficult for me to get down

tropic ocean Nov 24, 2020, 5:29 PM

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@sonic spindle for leveling I switched to sub, will see what it does in raid

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but for leveling sin is just very slow compared to sub which kills mobs stuff in shadowstrike+backstab

weak oak Nov 24, 2020, 6:21 PM

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Any guide for sub? Sin feels so bad right now

tropic ocean Nov 24, 2020, 6:24 PM

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https://www.wowhead.com/subtlety-rogue-guide

Wowhead

Subtlety Rogue DPS Guide - Shadowlands 9.0.2

Subtlety Rogue guide. Learn everything you need to know about their Rotation, Talent Builds, Stat Priorities, Consumables, Azerite, and more! Updated for Shadowlands Pre-Patch.

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https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/subtlety-rogue-pve-dps-guide

Icy Veins

Subtlety Rogue DPS Guide - Shadowlands 9.0.2

This guide contains everything you need to know to be an excellent Subtlety Rogue in WoW Shadowlands 9.0.2.

weak oak Nov 24, 2020, 6:24 PM

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Thank you!!

tropic ocean Nov 24, 2020, 6:24 PM

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other commonly asked things are in pinned messages in #subtlety

pliant wing Nov 24, 2020, 6:26 PM

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!wa

prisma monolithBOT Nov 24, 2020, 6:26 PM

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Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

civic palm Nov 24, 2020, 6:28 PM

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@stuck knoll Can you remove my entry from that list? 👆 They won't be updated for a while.

stuck knoll Nov 24, 2020, 6:30 PM

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I will do just cooking atm

civic palm Nov 24, 2020, 6:30 PM

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tyvm!

real kettle Nov 24, 2020, 6:31 PM

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so should we just go sub and wait for sin to be good again or just play sin coz i like it and hope it will be better?

tropic ocean Nov 24, 2020, 6:32 PM

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depends on what your goal is

vestal wren Nov 24, 2020, 6:32 PM

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!wa

prisma monolithBOT Nov 24, 2020, 6:32 PM

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Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

tropic ocean Nov 24, 2020, 6:32 PM

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and if you value fun more than performing to the maximum possible theory or not

vestal wren Nov 24, 2020, 6:32 PM

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@civic palm done

civic palm Nov 24, 2020, 6:32 PM

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@vestal wren tyty 🙏

real kettle Nov 24, 2020, 6:33 PM

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i was one of top sins back in legion in my server but now i feel like sub is too op to compare with sin and im kinda disappointed

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i still dont know what to chose tbh

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outlaw is an option too i guess but sub is just op

civic palm Nov 24, 2020, 6:34 PM

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Considering your prestige, I am sure you will be able to figure it out.

tropic ocean Nov 24, 2020, 6:34 PM

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numerically sub is op compared to sin yes

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outlaw and sub are not far from each other and outlaw is more versatile if you want to both m+ and raid

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outlaw is very potent for the fights with aoe/cleave every x

vestal wren Nov 24, 2020, 6:37 PM

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i tent to think sin is undertuned

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esp. with sub and outlaw being so close

civic palm Nov 24, 2020, 6:38 PM

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Just need some scaling juice.

sonic spindle Nov 24, 2020, 6:39 PM

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Is sin way behind in AOE? I can’t imagine it’s doing well wirhout the raw dmg of SS

real kettle Nov 24, 2020, 6:39 PM

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if u proc ur top i guess lol

tropic ocean Nov 24, 2020, 6:40 PM

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ss was not that good in aoe

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it was mainly burst/cleave

civic palm Nov 24, 2020, 6:40 PM

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and nrg.

tropic ocean Nov 24, 2020, 6:40 PM

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aoe came from echoing+ct thats y you had insane difference in dmg breakdown when you compared kings rest to freehold for example

civic palm Nov 24, 2020, 6:40 PM

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But yeah EB was dumb.

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We get some of that damage back but it's a percentage of base which doesn't make me happy.

placid dawn Nov 24, 2020, 6:42 PM

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Sin should get a big buff after heroic week

lament dove Nov 24, 2020, 6:42 PM

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maybe not in pro league, but under 20 SS was 30% of your dmg

placid dawn Nov 24, 2020, 6:43 PM

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Unless the downtimes cripple sub and outlul damage

civic palm Nov 24, 2020, 6:43 PM

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Katar does at least try to shore up the poor low item level crit rates, so it shouldn't feel AWFUL week 1.

misty rock Nov 24, 2020, 6:46 PM

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🙂

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🦈

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Bye

fleet whale Nov 24, 2020, 6:57 PM

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I'm gonna try to be the underdog to start sl

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and be assassin

vestal wren Nov 24, 2020, 6:57 PM

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have fun

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there is still hope that blizz buffs assassination

halcyon oak Nov 24, 2020, 7:03 PM

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Yeah I'm just playing it anyways and hoping for the best since I'm not hardcore

lucid ruin Nov 24, 2020, 7:03 PM

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I was playing it while leveling but it was pretty ass compared to sub

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haven't hit max yet though

real kettle Nov 24, 2020, 7:03 PM

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me too @lucid ruin

real bay Nov 24, 2020, 7:07 PM

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hope they buff it atlest to be decent for m+

sonic spindle Nov 24, 2020, 7:08 PM

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My biggest problem is I don’t know if I can play sub well enough to make it worthwhile to switch. Last time I tried sub, I was bootycheeks.

real bay Nov 24, 2020, 7:08 PM

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after playing ass fro whole of bfa feelsbadman

sonic spindle Nov 24, 2020, 7:08 PM

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🍑

vestal wren Nov 24, 2020, 7:09 PM

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you can just go outlaw

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outlaw seems good in raid too

lucid ruin Nov 24, 2020, 7:10 PM

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Pistol shot makes me want to off myself, I don't knoww why but I hate that ability so much'

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feels so out of place

placid dawn Nov 24, 2020, 7:20 PM

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Sub is not so bad, you just need practice

errant delta Nov 24, 2020, 7:28 PM

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Maybe its cus i dont know better but sins goin fine for me in bastion

tropic ocean Nov 24, 2020, 7:29 PM

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lament dove maybe not in pro league, but under 20 SS was 30% of your dmg

it was less tied to the key lvl but rather to the dungeon, affix and pulls

lucid ruin Nov 24, 2020, 7:37 PM

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@errant delta try Sub with soothing darkness and MFD, 2-3 seconds per mob and infinite healing

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Then black powder and secret techniques makes you wonder who designed assa

strange python Nov 24, 2020, 7:47 PM

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is there some spreadsheet?

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I'm gonna chose my assa rogue covenant

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 7:52 PM

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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT Nov 24, 2020, 7:52 PM

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Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 7:52 PM

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Tldr pick what you want

glass breach Nov 24, 2020, 8:05 PM

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so what is king rogue spec these days or are they actually pretty evenly balanced for once

lucid ruin Nov 24, 2020, 8:05 PM

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outlaw and sub are both good, sin is ass

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no pun intended

glass breach Nov 24, 2020, 8:05 PM

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i had a feeling sin would be ass

lucid ruin Nov 24, 2020, 8:05 PM

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May get tuned, we don't know

glass breach Nov 24, 2020, 8:06 PM

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i lowkey wouldnt mind seeing sub be good again for once

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its been a while

main forge Nov 24, 2020, 8:22 PM

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We were so dependent on corruption, and azerite traits its not a surprise.

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I hope legendaries make up the difference but I doubt it

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 8:25 PM

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Problem is everyone else gets legendaries too kekchamp

strange python Nov 24, 2020, 8:37 PM

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oO

bold ice Nov 24, 2020, 8:42 PM

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is necro good for assassination?

tepid fractal Nov 24, 2020, 8:43 PM

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is it me or 2nd usage of ventyr class ability doesnt do shit?

atomic gate Nov 24, 2020, 8:44 PM

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It doesn't give haste?

tepid fractal Nov 24, 2020, 8:44 PM

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character just does weird cast animation and nothing happens

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like at all

atomic gate Nov 24, 2020, 8:45 PM

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Lmao

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Beta started yesterday so we just gotta give em some time, they'll fix ir

tepid fractal Nov 24, 2020, 8:45 PM

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IT JUST RELEASED GUYS

fossil slate Nov 24, 2020, 8:53 PM

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tepid fractal is it me or 2nd usage of ventyr class ability doesnt do shit?

Seems the leveling version is buggy, I've had no issues with it as my proper covenant spell

strange python Nov 24, 2020, 8:53 PM

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!guide

prisma monolithBOT Nov 24, 2020, 8:53 PM

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Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

jagged axle Nov 24, 2020, 9:03 PM

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shiv says for until cancelled?

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wtf does that mean, fire and forget free 20% nature damage buff?

low girder Nov 24, 2020, 9:04 PM

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in-game or wowhead?

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the wowhead thing is a datamining error

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it's still 9s

fleet ginkgo Nov 24, 2020, 9:18 PM

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what rotation is the easiest out of the 3 specs?

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 9:23 PM

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jagged axle shiv says for until cancelled?

that's a datamining error, its 9 seconds

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 9:23 PM

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fleet ginkgo what rotation is the easiest out of the 3 specs?

outlaw or sin

fleet ginkgo Nov 24, 2020, 9:23 PM

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thank you

stone pilot Nov 24, 2020, 9:37 PM

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!wa

prisma monolithBOT Nov 24, 2020, 9:37 PM

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Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

lucid ruin Nov 24, 2020, 9:41 PM

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So Crimson tempest is going to get BTFO by black powder in M+ right?

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 9:42 PM

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I don't get the quesiton

lucid ruin Nov 24, 2020, 9:43 PM

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Sin and Sub AOE

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 9:43 PM

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sub does much more aoe, yes

lucid ruin Nov 24, 2020, 9:43 PM

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crimson tempest being the main source of cleave vs black powder

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 9:43 PM

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I think looking at crimson tempest vs black powder specifically is a little weird

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but sins aoe is very weak right now, yes

low girder Nov 24, 2020, 9:44 PM

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sub doesn't really have other aoe tools, sin does

lucid ruin Nov 24, 2020, 9:44 PM

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I'm basically comparing them because they are both AOE finishers

low girder Nov 24, 2020, 9:44 PM

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so yeah, strange comparison

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 9:44 PM

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well yeah

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but they do different things

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and its the only thing for sub

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like mata said

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they don't really serve the same purpose

lucid ruin Nov 24, 2020, 9:44 PM

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Assuming tuning was equal what tools would sin use to keep up with sub AOE?

civic palm Nov 24, 2020, 9:45 PM

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Sustain

low girder Nov 24, 2020, 9:45 PM

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subterfuge garrotes, ruptures

civic palm Nov 24, 2020, 9:45 PM

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Sustain DURING heavy movement even.

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 9:45 PM

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was a lot of fok damage in bfa

drifting cloud Nov 24, 2020, 9:45 PM

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it would have better aoe if tuning was equal wouldnt it

civic palm Nov 24, 2020, 9:45 PM

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They have to be careful with Katar atm.

low girder Nov 24, 2020, 9:45 PM

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yeah PK would've been real strong

civic palm Nov 24, 2020, 9:45 PM

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Though it's still an obvious scaler.

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 9:46 PM

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sin aoe to a large part is still subt gar

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removing SS doesn't remove that gameplay

lucid ruin Nov 24, 2020, 9:47 PM

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I'm honestly just trying to cling to a reason to stay Sin because I don't really care for the other two specs, sub I can stand. Won't play outlaw

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 9:48 PM

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do you want to do damage?

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if yes, don't play sin

fleet ginkgo Nov 24, 2020, 9:48 PM

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yeah i do

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damn i guess i might try out combat as soon as i get some swords

civic palm Nov 24, 2020, 9:48 PM

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WE STILL DO SOME DAMAGE

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COME OOOON

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 9:48 PM

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if you don't care for the damage

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then play sin

gritty spoke Nov 24, 2020, 9:48 PM

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just play sub until they buff sin

lucid ruin Nov 24, 2020, 9:48 PM

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fk it sub it is I guess

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 9:48 PM

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like

gritty spoke Nov 24, 2020, 9:48 PM

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so you have daggers already

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 9:48 PM

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30% in aoe

fleet ginkgo Nov 24, 2020, 9:49 PM

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sub rogues rotation doesnt make any sense to me at all

low girder Nov 24, 2020, 9:49 PM

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play everything

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 9:49 PM

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is actually insane

low girder Nov 24, 2020, 9:49 PM

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play every spec Comfy

summer marten Nov 24, 2020, 9:49 PM

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while talking abotu subt garrote... is sepsis buff supposed to not work with garrote? only ambush seems kinda boring, feels like 1 blindside proc more

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 9:49 PM

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no

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sepsis gives you the ability to cast a stealth ability

low girder Nov 24, 2020, 9:49 PM

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it's intentional to not work with any stealth mechanic, yeah

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 9:49 PM

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it doesn't give you stealth bonuses

summer marten Nov 24, 2020, 9:50 PM

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yeap, so just another ambush, boring and useless... and i was kinda excited about possibilites with iron wire and subt

low girder Nov 24, 2020, 9:50 PM

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they mostly broke it to balance master assassin

civic palm Nov 24, 2020, 9:51 PM

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Doesn't put you in stealth, no bonus.

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❌

low girder Nov 24, 2020, 9:51 PM

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didn't want a covenant choice to force a particular leggo

civic palm Nov 24, 2020, 9:51 PM

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If you have a macro on your stealth bar though, you can press that.

maiden wolf Nov 24, 2020, 9:53 PM

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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT Nov 24, 2020, 9:53 PM

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Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

summer marten Nov 24, 2020, 9:54 PM

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i was so sure of going night fae, and now... im sure im not

tropic ocean Nov 24, 2020, 9:55 PM

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why

frozen raptor Nov 24, 2020, 9:55 PM

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hmm so night fae is ok for all 3 specs ?

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 9:56 PM

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yes

night cypress Nov 24, 2020, 10:03 PM

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wait so sub is good for m+ now too? I missed this

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 10:05 PM

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yes

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it is

night cypress Nov 24, 2020, 10:05 PM

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wack

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 10:05 PM

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aoe finishers are good turns out

night cypress Nov 24, 2020, 10:07 PM

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🤔

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 10:08 PM

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sin still waiting for one :)

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that isn't a talented bleed

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that you can't really spam

night cypress Nov 24, 2020, 10:08 PM

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initial damage so sad 😦

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 10:08 PM

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sin aoe just doesn't have an identity

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which is problematic

civic palm Nov 24, 2020, 10:09 PM

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Sure it does.

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Damage Over Time.

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Just wait for it.

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Waaaaaaait for it.

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 10:10 PM

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I'm waiting for the buffs

night cypress Nov 24, 2020, 10:10 PM

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!wa

prisma monolithBOT Nov 24, 2020, 10:10 PM

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Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

night cypress Nov 24, 2020, 10:10 PM

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oh no

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no more mizerok group

balmy condor Nov 24, 2020, 10:10 PM

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yeah miz is washed

civic palm Nov 24, 2020, 10:10 PM

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Yeah get my shit outta here angery

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Get that shit in a month maybe.

fossil moat Nov 24, 2020, 10:10 PM

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i cant get any daggers

night cypress Nov 24, 2020, 10:10 PM

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😦 I liked yours

civic palm Nov 24, 2020, 10:10 PM

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Come to Classic I have some there.

night cypress Nov 24, 2020, 10:11 PM

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🤮