assassination

[minor thicket]

Broken as feels incomplete

[shrewd ether]

hi guys! 😄

anyone sim your assassin rogue in PrePatch?

[low girder]

i mean technically it's incomplete, we don't have shiv r2 yet

[balmy condor]

I was hitting aoe dummies with mfd ct breath major

Just to see how bad the button bloat could get

And honestly

Not that bad

@shrewd ether many people have, yes

[shrewd ether]

@balmy condor Thanks master!, but i can not found it, just i see Outlaw an sub sim :c

[balmy condor]

Search functions are your friend

[minor thicket]

Lol

Whispyr what country you in

[balmy condor]

I’m west coast us

[minor thicket]

Ah gotcha ok

[crimson palm]

He's a KKona

[balmy condor]

[crimson palm]

[civic tide]

any idea what enchants we should be using for m+?

[minor thicket]

Sim

[balmy condor]

Force multi + gale

Seems good

Force + deadly also seems okay

They won’t matter much

[civic tide]

cool, thx

another one, when should one use slice and dice in rotation

[minor thicket]

Always

Keep it up

Like garrotte and rupture

Like any bleed

[balmy condor]

Higher priority than rupture yup yup

[civic tide]

ye, I guess I wrote it a bit wrong, when do u wanna use it first when u open

[balmy condor]

Do you have SS

[civic tide]

garrote-rupt-garrote-snd?

yy

[balmy condor]

Ye

[civic tide]

and ignore shiv?

[balmy condor]

Yup

[low girder]

shiv is useless atm yes

[civic tide]

pepehands

[minor thicket]

If you’re MA then it’s MUT snd Mut

[balmy condor]

Yup

Super easy peasy prepatch for us

All very logical and straightforward

[minor thicket]

Whispyr I posted my link above, I was looking at yours and ended up simming same traits and talents as you because I was curious

I can’t figure out the dps difference on the sim

[balmy condor]

Idk which sim of mine you’re referring to

I’ve posted sims from like 6 different people

[minor thicket]

When I simmed exact same talents and traits it was roughly 500 less than you

[low girder]

gems prolly

[minor thicket]

@balmy condor this one I posted

[balmy condor]

Are you overriding food/potion

[minor thicket]

#assassination message

[balmy condor]

And simming the correct duration,

[minor thicket]

Hmm I left it on 5 min

[balmy condor]

That screenshot has my sim at 3 min

Yours is 5

[minor thicket]

Ah

[low girder]

i bought a gem btw so this is prolly max without getting maxed rings etc

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vctsmNdja829GMoxcyrqxp

[balmy condor]

They’re also more geared

[minor thicket]

That would make sense

[low girder]

sockets are still huge

[minor thicket]

Yea I knew there was a gear difference slightly

[low girder]

those are probably the largest difference in gear atm

[balmy condor]

That gibbering hurts

[low girder]

lol

[balmy condor]

Is overwhelming not higher

[low girder]

i can double check

gem sims take so long

[balmy condor]

Then don’t sim gems

[minor thicket]

Lol

[low girder]

i have to, i need a mix of crit/vers

and i'm pure vers atm

[balmy condor]

Reeeee

[low girder]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/v1Qr5Y3TZHUm3MSvZyYmgE

11 dps pog

[balmy condor]

Pog

[low girder]

could prolly break 4700 if people have multiple socketed gearsets

i didn't socket my m+ gear soooo

[balmy condor]

2 dps from overwhelming

I’m a human simbot

[low girder]

lol

[minor thicket]

Lol

[tough skiff]

Numbers are in for prepatch top dps.

[onyx wharf]

What is our opener in pre patch with 3x DD and MA?

[minor thicket]

Wtf is that

[topaz saffron]

Rogues tight

[tough skiff]

prepatch logs first day

[balmy condor]

That’s a disaster screenshot

That you shouldn’t use as data

[strange python]

whats the best lvl 45 talent for sin now?

[shrewd ether]

@balmy condor thanks bro, you are the best!

[balmy condor]

And also is meaningless

@strange python alacrity

[tough skiff]

Top dps classes and specs right now
https://www.icy-veins.com/forums/topic/53035-pre-patch-dps-spec-log-analysis-shadow-priests-and-bm-hunters-rejoice/?fbclid=IwAR1Tc4W7YAj0QD0HX6uTsbfwb8iwIawZoekb68kkSTi7S1XJA6i2UzuWbCc

[balmy condor]

@onyx wharf mut snd mut rup

@tough skiff stoooopppp

Holy

[minor thicket]

Lol

[tough skiff]

mid tier dps class

[low girder]

member when demo was top tier dps for prepatch going into legion

[tough skiff]

actually we are more in the bottom not mid

[low girder]

member what happened after that

yeah

prepatch doesn't mean shit

[tough skiff]

considering we have like 2 months of this

[balmy condor]

Please stop

Flavour of the month mentality during prepatch is just white noise on top of the chaos

Why would you willingly choose to just fill space with meaningless noise

[onyx wharf]

imagine taking anything in pre patch seriously

just play whatever is fun to you

[balmy condor]

Prepatch tuning is based on shadowlands anyways

They didn’t tune specifically for prepatch

And we’re still on borrowed power

All the logs and charts in the world are so meaningless

They might as well be my life

[eternal salmon]

is vers gemming/enchanting the way to go now over haste?

[balmy condor]

Yes

Vers/crit

Use agi gems as well

[tough skiff]

if people decline you on the LFG now u know why

[balmy condor]

What

Are you talking about

[viral hill]

If someone could clear this up for me I'd appreciate it: why is it that it's recommended to use Kidney shot from stealth rather than cheap shot them first?

[balmy condor]

#pvp

They would know better :)

[viral hill]

Thanks

[void pecan]

who the shit is this ape spouting icy veins and prepatch non-sense.

next he'll say infectious or whoever knows what they're talking about

:>

[balmy condor]

Big patches bring big pepega

Part of the cycle

It’s fine

[void pecan]

Oh true.

[tough skiff]

at least u have an idea which class and spec to play during prepatch

[low girder]

why would you optimize

in prepatch

when it's going to change drastically in 1-2 months

just play the class you want lol

[balmy condor]

You can’t get CE or meaningful IO in prepatch

[minor thicket]

Bamboo is toxic AF

[balmy condor]

Bamboo is hard trolling

You can look up what he’s been saying lately

[low girder]

like if you wanna reroll in a tier that's cool but there's zero point in rerolling in prepatch

[balmy condor]

It’s all super pepega

[tough skiff]

so sensitive...

[minor thicket]

You just make no sense

[low girder]

sensitive to bullshit, yes

[minor thicket]

You posted those rankings

They could tune tonight and could be all different tomorrow

[balmy condor]

Damn mata, faster than me

:P

[minor thicket]

You have no argument

[balmy condor]

If calling out bullshit and nonsense makes me sensitive

Then I’m sensitive as fuck

[tough skiff]

isnt me who created the report about prepatch top dps specs

[minor thicket]

No shit

[balmy condor]

It doesn’t have to be you

[tough skiff]

they created the report for a reason

[low girder]

money

[minor thicket]

Click bait

[balmy condor]

Ad revenue

[minor thicket]

I can make a report that says SIN rogue number 1

What’s your point

[balmy condor]

Even if they create a report for a reason, that doesn’t make it good

It’s the same shit as tier lists in beta

Everything is going to change in the blink of an eye

And it has no bearing on actual gameplay

[tough skiff]

Do you really think blizz devs do not analyze those early logs?

[balmy condor]

Yes

I do

[low girder]

from prepatch? yeah, they don't analyze

[balmy condor]

Because they didn’t bother trying to tune prepatch

And never have

[low girder]

they'll hotfix major outliers and move on

[minor thicket]

Bamboo just stop lol

[tough skiff]

naive

[balmy condor]

Not naive

Reality

Balancing is based on beta and shadowlands

[minor thicket]

No realistic

[tough skiff]

lets wait and see those hotfix during the week like every expansion

[balmy condor]

They’re not investing resources into tuning prepatch

[tough skiff]

time will tell

[balmy condor]

Yes, they will hotfix bugs and outliers

And move on

[minor thicket]

Yes time will tell so stop

Everyone saw your report

[balmy condor]

I don’t get how else to explain this to you

[minor thicket]

Duly noted

[loud light]

devs poring over prepatch logs for perfect balnace instead of getting the delayed expansion out the door

[balmy condor]

Bamboo, it’s okay if you don’t understand, I’ll try to explain it to you so you do

But It feels like you’re actually just blind to reality

[minor thicket]

Pig headed

[balmy condor]

And living in a bubble of your own creation

[minor thicket]

Lol

Np

[tough skiff]

BfA prepatch hotfixes

[balmy condor]

Okay

[minor thicket]

Dude this is from 2 years ago

How is this relevant

[balmy condor]

Over half of that is bug fixing

[tough skiff]

u said they wont hotfix anything during prepatch

they do

[balmy condor]

That’s actually not what we said

We said they hotfix outliers and bugs

And all tuning is done in relation to beta

[tough skiff]

my point stand they see prepatch reports

[balmy condor]

What they do not do, is tune specifically for prepatch

[tough skiff]

I won and I close the case

[balmy condor]

Wtf are you on

[minor thicket]

Lmao

[loud light]

uh

[balmy condor]

It’s like talking to a wall

[low girder]

lmfao

[minor thicket]

Acid is an intense drug eh

[low girder]

we literally said they will hotfix outliers and move on

and he ignored it

k

[loud light]

augsust 7 was literally one week before bfa expansion launch, that's not 'prepatch' tuning anymore, that's pre-expansion tuning

[tough skiff]

thats what im saying, here they told me devs dont look at prepatch log report

[balmy condor]

THEY DONT

[tough skiff]

lol

[loud light]

nobody gives a shit about logs at blizzard

[jovial canopy]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV:https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[balmy condor]

They look at BETA

[loud light]

they have their own data for tuning

[low girder]

you said analyze, not look. they look. they'll nerf the things doing 20% more dmg than everyone else and then stop

[balmy condor]

BETA dude

As in

NOT prepatch

If they were to tune for prepatch

[tough skiff]

prove?

[low girder]

it's not gonna be an ongoing thing

[balmy condor]

My proof

Is my fucking brain

Which is capable of simple logic

[loud light]

and yes, we already know there's going to be a separate pre-launch patch for beta-- they told us that already since this is a unique situation

[balmy condor]

And common sense

[loud light]

that will definitely include tuning

[balmy condor]

Riddle me this

If they tune for prepatch

And then all the systems get replaced

And people leveling

And all the scaling changes

They have to tune it again right

[tough skiff]

did you forgot how OP rogues were in BGs back in Legion prepatch? they got nerfed instantly, so they look at prepatch too

1-2 shooting players

[balmy condor]

That’s literally outliers

The word outliers

Means that they are outside, of the group

[minor thicket]

He doesn’t understand man

[balmy condor]

Is this a language barrier

Like

[minor thicket]

Stop wasting your time

[balmy condor]

I don’t get it

I can do it in german if you speak German

Would that help

[minor thicket]

Danke

[tough skiff]

I respect your opinion, respect mine

[balmy condor]

Your opinion is wrong

[minor thicket]

^

[balmy condor]

It’s not an “opinion”

Liking oranges

Is an opinion

[tough skiff]

my point stand

u wont change my mind, so let it go

[balmy condor]

Creating nonsense about a company willingly spending resources and money to put effort into a patch that has no bearing on the game as a whole, which is purposely left untuned, a month before an expansion that overhauls every spec in the game

Is not an opinion

It is a lie

And that’s that

[harsh sphinx]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[balmy condor]

I have no issues with you wanting to lie

That’s your right

But please do it in the safety and comfort of your own home

Where no one has to listen to it

[loud light]

it is substantially less fun to shout lies at the wall though

[balmy condor]

True

[minor thicket]

LOL

[balmy condor]

Why spread misinformation to a wall

When you can come into a public forum

And get ridiculed for it instead

[minor thicket]

How much time do you have to do it is my question

Maybe instead of arguing go hit the training dummy. And defy those rankings lol

Redirect your energy

[balmy condor]

Write an angry letter about how ravenholdt was so mean and unfair

[marble hemlock]

What's going on here?

[minor thicket]

Don’t ask

[harsh sphinx]

[minor thicket]

LOL

Did ravenhold update prepatch for sin?

They did it for subltey

[strange python]

thanks @balmy condor bae just saw your sim link

[balmy condor]

@marble hemlock wild pepega spotting

[frigid kestrel]

So..... I just opened my phone and read that exchange. I think I somehow got less smart.

[bold ice]

boys im having fun with assassination

Blindside talent is fun

[balmy condor]

glad to hear it

:)

[bold ice]

im a ilvl 90 nooblet in training but it's cool

[balmy condor]

damn

40 levels ahead of me

[bold ice]

what level 50 talent you all like?

poison bomb is what i have on now

[balmy condor]

CT is very strong

[bold ice]

just for aoe? or overall?

[balmy condor]

its competitive single target as well from what it looks like

a little worse than pb

but not by much

[bold ice]

hrmm, do you replace envenom with it or how does that fit into the rotation?

[balmy condor]

yup

you maintain it

[bold ice]

gotcha

what's the point of hidden blades? seems overall like a crappier CT

[balmy condor]

its actually pretty okay in shadowlands

but right now its just worse than CT

its nice aoe though depending on situation

[bold ice]

makes sense

[tough skiff]

Well that was quickly... I was right! 😂 @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

its seriously like talking to a wall

you're not worth my time mate

[tough skiff]

U lost bro deal with it. Blizz saw those logs and nerfed those dk to the ground 😂

[lunar whale]

is anyone else having character not found issues?

[balmy condor]

yeah, common problem with big patches like this

[eternal salmon]

anyone have a link to working SnD weakaura?

[balmy condor]

https://pastebin.com/83nxd6ac

you can steal it from there

[minor thicket]

That’s an outlier ...:

What’s wrong with you

[balmy condor]

don't bother

[strange lichen]

so i'm ust now getting into simming rogue in pre-patch, haste has gone from my best stat to worst stat...i'm showing vers/mastery at best stat...everybody else as well?

[minor thicket]

I’m crit verse

Haste is lower now for sure

[strange lichen]

and yes i know it's pre-patch and work is still being done, but as it is right now..is it worth working on sub or we still good as sin for a while?

[low girder]

depends if you like it or not

both are fine

in prepatch anyway

[strange lichen]

cool yeah, i was not expecting to have redo all my traits and gems and all that with sin lol

[echo geyser]

whats the pandemic of Garrote?

[balmy condor]

18*0.3 = 5.4

[echo geyser]

cheers

[marble hemlock]

Ram :o

[urban bramble]

Boosted a rogue to 110 well 45 now and just wondering how ya'll setup stealth bar when comapared to main bar. I noticed garrote gets used in and out of stealth so was gonna bind those to the same key etc.

[balmy condor]

identical to out of combat

[urban bramble]

so essentially just the same bar twice

[balmy condor]

yep

I just turned off the paging in elvui

[urban bramble]

ah heard ty

also i assume my name was not allowed lol

just noticed

[echo geyser]

@marble hemlock

[balmy condor]

lmao probably

[fleet whale]

remember when hemo was a sin talent in Legion? lol that was so weird

[pallid notch]

So we're dumping haste in favor of versa now?

[balmy condor]

yes

until shadowlands

[fallow otter]

Whispr

I went to the dark side for raid

Don't hate me

[pallid notch]

Blood major?

[grizzled jay]

wait did he call the Magus hotfix a nerf when it was an unintended bug lol

[balmy condor]

he's been arguing that blizzard analyzes prepatch logs for balancing

and then balances prepatch

therefore its fine to look at logs and shit to see what is good

[grizzled jay]

why would they ever do that

[balmy condor]

not even he can answer that

[fallow otter]

Whats the new sims looking like for sin, sub sim got slapped down a little

[umbral rapids]

Whisp

[past mauve]

sim is showing to go back to font and dice. I thought I was done with font =/

[grizzled jay]

you'll never escape Font

[past mauve]

apparently lol

[grizzled jay]

ivl 105 font with hole will be bis in nathria

[low girder]

don't have a mythic font, then you can escape it

[echo geyser]

is it just me or did assa not gain any new buttons cept for SnD?

[low girder]

snd and shiv (in SL)

sorta

[echo geyser]

shiv true

[low girder]

we take alacrity so it evens out

[echo geyser]

thats also true

[low girder]

also ambush for blindside later

rn EP outsims 'cause stats

[echo geyser]

i see

[low girder]

but yeah in comparison to sub or outlaw

not as much gained

[echo geyser]

yeah was struggling to find space for WAs on both the other specs kinda

assa seems to have lots of room

[fallow otter]

Can sim 5k with font dice 5min?

[low girder]

if i had a good font maybe

heroic font is ilvl 85

i never rolled a mythic one

[fallow otter]

I've got a 455

Maybe it can be done

[mossy cargo]

can anyone help me out with my stats, wowhead tells me pre patch is now vers/crit in bfa i had haste/Mastery, so im kinda at a stump, i only started playing this game a few months ago, i am also looking to play sub when shadowland drops

[fallow otter]

Have you simmed your character before?

[mossy cargo]

yeah last sim in bfa was 69k

[balmy condor]

you should keep simming

[fallow otter]

If you are looking at continuing with sin you can use the sim

Same goes for sub

[balmy condor]

simming is single handedly the best way to determine item upgrades

[honest skiff]

I’m coming back to rogue. Keep alive and dice up and everything else is about the same right?

[balmy condor]

yes

don't use shiv

[mossy cargo]

why's that?

[balmy condor]

shiv doesn't do anything in prepatch

[halcyon grail]

For DPS anyway

[balmy condor]

I mean

the utility isn't good either

[halcyon grail]

Yea warriors definitely dont enrage ever.

Or mobs in m+

[fleet whale]

i think you need numbing

[balmy condor]

you need numbing for that

[low girder]

yeah that doesn't work in prepatch

[fleet whale]

for the enrage dispell to work

[balmy condor]

so numbing is at level 54, which gives shiv the dispel
the tb effect is level 58, which gives us back the damage portion

its not worth using until those

[halcyon grail]

Why the fuck did they raise the level requirement on. numbing too?

lol

[balmy condor]

its always been shadowlands only

[low girder]

it's been that way

[dense rivet]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV:https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[sand otter]

im a monster in PvP

other than managing SnD now its a blast xD

[marsh wharf]

losing toxic blade for the next few months feels awful

[fleet whale]

meh, it isn't too bad

[balmy condor]

and in a few months, people will complain that shiv feels awful

the cycle continues

[fleet whale]

well it doesn't feel "great"

but it won't tank my enjoyment of the spec

[balmy condor]

tb playstyle op

[fleet whale]

well the pathetic initial hit

does mean it's less "satisfying" to use

and no seal fate sucks

[low girder]

Tomorrow I shall play sin

Today was the outlaw experiment

[marsh wharf]

if outlaw wasn't so spammy i'd prob like it

[drifting cosmos]

big melee dmg

[ionic vault]

dumb question but im assuming you should always refresh snd before rupture?

[drifting cosmos]

whys that

[balmy condor]

I mean

not every rupture

obviously

cause snd lasts forever

but you should maintain snd priority over rupture

[low girder]

It has a higher priority but yeah you shouldn't be in that situation unless you're not watching

[balmy condor]

ye

pandemic on 5cp snd is like 11 seconds

[low girder]

Or you're aoe-ing I guess

Also reminds me to maybe set up proper variable pandemics when I get around to WAs

[balmy condor]

I redid all my pandemics

[low girder]

Mine are just set to 4CP minimum lmao

[balmy condor]

ye I went through and hard conditioned every cp value

[low girder]

I might steal that code later

[balmy condor]

its not code

just conditions

:P

[low girder]

Either way, lol

[balmy condor]

wasn't worth my time trying to code it when I could set up like 6 conditions

for free

[low girder]

Ye

[fathom swift]

What conditions

[balmy condor]

the conditions tab

on weakauras

[fathom swift]

Yeah i mean

Specifically

[balmy condor]

well it tracks cp and the timer

[fathom swift]

Sure i gotcha

[balmy condor]

so if timer < pandemic at X cp, change color

if timer < pandemic at X-1 cp, change color

over and over

for 1-6

[fathom swift]

Is it worth doing it at 1?

Or 2 or 3

[balmy condor]

I just did it cause I was already at it

for completion sake

[fathom swift]

Sure

[balmy condor]

and maybe some m+ jank with cp after a pull or some shit

idk

felt like the right thing to do

[ionic vault]

is there a road map that explains wtf are you guys doing?

I barely even know the pandemic mechanic

[balmy condor]

take a left on mcclain

then in a quarter mile, take the ramp onto I-65

I'm kidding XD

[ionic vault]

all I know is that it adds extra duration on hots refresh

[balmy condor]

its just UI stuff

so you know how pandemic is safe refresh under a certain time remaining right

garrote is the easy example

you can refresh with 30% or less remaining

so garrote is 18 seconds

18 * 0.3 = 5.4

[ionic vault]

I just don't know "when" is a good time to refresh or not

[balmy condor]

ye

that the 0.3

so garrote is 5.4 seconds remaining or less

and its always 30%

but with CT/rupture/SND

the duration varies depending on CP right

[ionic vault]

yeah

[balmy condor]

so instead of trying to big brain memorize everything

[low girder]

I'm too slow on phone lul

[balmy condor]

I just made it so my weakauras change color

for whatever CP I'm on

[ionic vault]

so basicallly the value given by the 30% product will vary as well

[balmy condor]

correct

[low girder]

Yeah

The safe way is to just base on 4 CP

Which is how mine are rn

[balmy condor]

ye

[low girder]

Which rupture is uh, 24s?

[ionic vault]

so your weak aura glow or changes color when it's "safe" to refresh?

[balmy condor]

yeah

they also change color when you use exsang, or garrotes from subt

so you don't override those

but that's a little more complicated

[low girder]

And exsang is dead

[balmy condor]

and I haven't been bothered with nightstalker

[ionic vault]

I use a rotation weak aura cuz im bad but it has all that

[balmy condor]

cause I don't feel like it

[ionic vault]

aside from the pandemic stuff

[balmy condor]

ye

me and fuu were talking about (I was mostly memeing him) rotation helpers and stuff

and they're honestly not that bad anymore

still kinda bad

but usable bad

[low girder]

They're better than they used to be, but yeah ideally you come off it eventually

Like training wheels

[balmy condor]

yeah

and tbh as long as you understand the rotation

a nice set of weakauras that work for you

is basically a rotation helper in of itself

[low girder]

And rn is perfect time

Takes some effort though

[balmy condor]

yep

a lot of people download a pack that someone else made

and that's fine too

[low girder]

Generally I just take shit off wago and make it my own

[balmy condor]

ye I always make my own

[low girder]

Edit it, play around with it

CBA to make my own CP WA so I took someone else's and changed it around until I was happy with it

[balmy condor]

making the pixels line up

is so fucking annoying

XD

[low girder]

Lmao

The part I'm scared of when I blow it all up

[drifting cosmos]

quick question

[balmy condor]

quicker answer

[drifting cosmos]

whats our opening now

st

[balmy condor]

gar snd gar vend rup

[low girder]

Subt or ma

Also that

[balmy condor]

with sub and SS that is

[drifting cosmos]

sub

[low girder]

Yeah do that

[balmy condor]

I think sub no SS is uhhhh

gar mut snd?

[low girder]

It's messy

[balmy condor]

or gar snd mut

[low girder]

Is what it is

[drifting cosmos]

so when do we use ambush then

[balmy condor]

never

:P

[drifting cosmos]

lol...

good i like that

[low girder]

Only with blindside

If you take it

[balmy condor]

which you shouldn't

cause its bad

[low girder]

Ye

Take it later

In sl

Not now

[drifting cosmos]

the only thing i think might be for things gonna die instantly

you ambush to snap dmg

but otherwise cant think of anything

[balmy condor]

mut does more damage tho

at least atm

cause DD

[low girder]

Mfd env would be more than either I think

[drifting cosmos]

well for m+ i dont have dd

[low girder]

And you'd be mfd in those situations

[balmy condor]

in m+ you're not using ambush because you're doing gar gar gar from stealth

[low girder]

How much was mfd ahead in dslice

Idr

I could search I guess

[balmy condor]

like 1%

[tidal gorge]

After spending the last few hours simming I'm like super tempted to just keep using SS and CT, it sims like 60 dps apart and I get multi-target out of it

[balmy condor]

that's what most people are doing

SS and CT both fine

[low girder]

1% lol welp

[balmy condor]

ryfie doesn't believe in mfd

[drifting cosmos]

alright bois, pre patch first m+ with details working 💯

[balmy condor]

what a loser

am I rite

[tidal gorge]

The only problem is, I bound CT to my old SnD key, so now I have brain pain when I'm trying to decide on my keybinds ;_;

[low girder]

Yeah binds have been rough for all specs for me

I'll sit down and figure them out eventually

[ionic vault]

pandemic added duration are always rounded up?

[balmy condor]

no rounding

5.4 is 5.4

[ionic vault]

so basically if an ability lasts X secs you should always refresh it between [0, 0.3*X] in order to always have maximum uptime?

[balmy condor]

wow math notation

very fancy

[ionic vault]

so for a 4CP snd you should set your WA to glow under 9seconds

[balmy condor]

you can refresh [0, 0.3*X] and its dps neutral

[ionic vault]

right?

[balmy condor]

I'd have to check

but sounds right

yeah

4cp 9 seconds

or if you want to be real fancy

[ionic vault]

yeah I think the WA i got has it set to 9 seconds by default regardless of CP spent

[balmy condor]

Y = 1.8x + 1.8

where Y is the safe pandemic timer

and x is CP

[ionic vault]

reverse engineering at its finest

[balmy condor]

indeed

rupture is increment 1.2 iirc

[vast halo]

!guidoe

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV:https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[ionic vault]

I would be interested to see how you code that weak aura

not sure how you register the amount of CP spent on a given snd

[balmy condor]

well pandemic is calculated on the NEW dot

not the old one

[ionic vault]

ok I think I understood this wrong

[teal kettle]

ugh i don't like shiv, give me toxic blade back please

[ionic vault]

to be optimal you should refresh exactly at 0.3X

[teal kettle]

why would you remove a thematic option for a spec just so you can put in a generic cross-spec option

[ionic vault]

if you refresh later than that you don't get the maximum duration

[balmy condor]

yes

you get up to 0.3

so if you refresh garrote with 4 seconds remaining

you get 4 extra seconds

if you refresh at 2, you get 2

so its dps neutral, you're not losing anything

[ionic vault]

yeah thats what I realize on the target dummy

[balmy condor]

but with things like exsang especially

that matters

so with exsang, we full pandemic both garrote and rupture before every exsang

[drifting cosmos]

fk whats a good dps number these days

[balmy condor]

so you would max cp rupture, and garrote

regardless of time remaining

good dps number for what

m+?

[drifting cosmos]

yea

details still buggy af

[balmy condor]

like 4.5+

depends on key level a lot

I was pulling like 4-4.3 in 15-18's

[drifting cosmos]

i mean those chill 15-20s

[balmy condor]

ryfie was pulling closer to 5 in his 22's+

or even higher depending on pull size

I'm also not giga geared

[drifting cosmos]

i am like 4/12m so yea not really about gearing lol

felt messy

but snd buff is easy to maintain

is that buff to us? 'maintain a melee atk spd buff and you get dps gain'

[balmy condor]

its not bad

its huge damage

kinda annoying though

[drifting cosmos]

kinda boring

big melee dmg for sure

it was like my 4th dps

[teal kettle]

ya the spec isn't as tight as it was in bfa

don't think the addition of snd is an improvement

[tidal gorge]

I wish it was +haste instead of attack speed. It would feel like we never lost our corruption :]

[teal kettle]

spec feels a tiny bit too busy now

specially on aoe

[drifting cosmos]

what

[balmy condor]

I've always been a fan of snd

its busy

but Imo its fine

I don't mind it

[drifting cosmos]

we still miss like toxic blade and potentially ambush, it will get more busy

[teal kettle]

but does it improve the playstyle of the spec at all?

[drifting cosmos]

i dont think it change the play style

still pretty similar just one more buff to maintain and easy with wa working

[teal kettle]

I think in dungeons with the energy regen that we have that trying to keep up snd, crimson tempest, and dots isn't going to feel great

but we'll see

[drifting cosmos]

when you dont need to ggg thats what i call a different style

i just need to get a new keybind for on use trinkets, not enough keybinds

[worldly iron]

@balmy condor also always really liked snd, glad to have it back. hopefully it doesn't end up feeling clunky when mixed with everything else

[balmy condor]

hasn't felt clunky to me yet

idk, it seems to flow pretty nice

[grizzled trail]

How’s assa feeling guys? Who raided last night

Oh literally the above message answers me lol

[balmy condor]

me and vani are hard in the minority here

you'll find the vast majority of people hate snd

[vestal wren]

i think a lot of ppl disslike the lower pacing

[balmy condor]

and the fact that snd doesn't do aynthing for it

[vestal wren]

its likely that we see some changes there ^^

[fallow otter]

Snd is trash and the only reason is not more annoying to press as sin is because it's got a rotation I could do on my left hand while keyboard turning

[grizzled trail]

I imagine dropping corruption does feel bad on assa

I haven’t pooled energy in months

[balmy condor]

pooling hasn't been big in years

[grizzled trail]

One of the main reasons I’ve decided to play sub prepatch

You need to pool for shiv tho right?

[balmy condor]

not really

[fallow otter]

The main problem is that it has no buttons

Like none

[grizzled trail]

I’ll mess around with it tonight maybe

[fallow otter]

No exsang/tb

[grizzled trail]

Played sub last night and it was fun but I can feel it will get old quick

[balmy condor]

pooling vs not pooling is like 0.1%

[fallow otter]

No ct

[balmy condor]

at best

[grizzled trail]

Ah fair enough. I duno old habits I guess

Shiv is playing as toxic blade tho? Or is that later

[crimson palm]

u still have to pool on sub tho xd

[balmy condor]

later

shiv is worthless atm

[fallow otter]

Sub is spammy, it's good and damage profile is great but I hate spamming one button so much

[grizzled trail]

I didn’t feel I had to pool on sub @crimson palm

[fallow otter]

Maybe it's the ss noise that I don't like

[balmy condor]

sub pooling is more important that sin pooling

[grizzled trail]

Regardless my point of power drop still stands. I guess that’s why a lot aren’t feeling assa atm

And the apparent lack of buttons

[fallow otter]

Sub is the new toy that most of us have missed playing with

[balmy condor]

sin is still crazy fast compared to normal

sub is the new busted op fotm

[prime schooner]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[balmy condor]

people don't like snd

and juggling buffs

and that's what sin is

[grizzled trail]

I personally don’t like snd in general but I’m sure I can get over it haha

[fallow otter]

Feels good on sub though

[grizzled trail]

Again I just don’t like the ability, atleast you get some cp from sub tho

[prime schooner]

Is assa that bad compared to outlaw now in M+ ?

[balmy condor]

nah

its still fine

it'll suck at the start of sl tho

[fallow otter]

There are 4 buttons to sin

Right

[balmy condor]

6 not counting cds

shiv mut gar env rup snd

[grizzled trail]

Ambush aswell potentially

[balmy condor]

ambush/blindside 7
ct 8
mfd 9

depends how deep you wanna go

[placid dawn]

I actually enjoy the slower pacing for now

[vestal wren]

people like consistency and a low risk of punishment for mistakes.
Both is present and will make sin the more popular choice if both are tuned similar

[grizzled trail]

Feint, always gotta feint!

I’m Goin to try change between the 3 specs through shadowlands. They all feel pretty good in their own way when I’ve played them on beta

[balmy condor]

good luck with that

[worldly iron]

i don't get the obsession with pressing a bunch of keys in rotations

[balmy condor]

depends on how friendly blizz is

[grizzled trail]

Will just make 3 rogues....

Lol

[fallow otter]

You can't include shiv yet whisp

Ill give you snd forgot about that

Don't give me bs about MfD CT or ambush, I'm talking or patch for raid lol

So 5 +vanish vend?

[balmy condor]

sure

ct for raid is sick tho

[fallow otter]

Yeah some fights

Most in nyalotha I guess

[balmy condor]

anything with more than 1 target at any time

or a moving boss

[fallow otter]

Sub is trash for aoe atm tho

But pumping psy1 is fun

Zul style haha

Sin seriously lacks brain power reqs at the moment, it was already pretty simple but at least being global locked helped separate skill levels

No Tb/exsang just made it nothing

It's like playing bass on guitar hero

[balmy condor]

I like it

[fallow otter]

I hate that they took shit away, just to give it back

I want something new

I want a black powder of sin

Fix up our talents

[pseudo hamlet]

Is the WoWHead guide updated? I mean, I've seen it was prepared for the pre-patch, but does it contain the newest informations? Such as CT with 30% DMG buff and being much better for M+ than PB? (no sure about the ST right now?)

[balmy condor]

yes

it is updated

[fallow otter]

Ok clearly this is a sore spot lol

[balmy condor]

nothing changed

[stone pilot]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[pseudo hamlet]

Focused Resolve or Unbridled Fury best for raiding right now?

[balmy condor]

either or

they're both still good

just use whatever you have left over

[pseudo hamlet]

ok, ty 😄

[regal cloud]

Kinda like playing bass hero

[umbral rapids]

🤔

[prime schooner]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[placid dawn]

man, my sin sim went down 200dps overnight

now sub is higher

[lapis jungle]

what essences to aim for with MA/DD? In general

[balmy condor]

clf

memory crucible breath minor

[lapis jungle]

thanks

[bright lintel]

btw are the wa groups updated?

[balmy condor]

nop

afenar's maybe

but most aren't

[bright lintel]

cheers mate ❤️

[balmy condor]

make sure to double check the changelogs

for your favorites

[sterile jackal]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pweBj3nYuuhTwzWK4UGqLX

[indigo totem]

afenar's is up and running

[sterile jackal]

any suggestions what i got bad on my char?

this simdps is embarrasing :<

[balmy condor]

essences are wrong

as are the traits

missing the mecha ring set

[sterile jackal]

i got 465ilvl, dmg one but +haste

it simmed worse than these

i made 3/12M with my guild, so i do not have perfect azerite items

[balmy condor]

hold on a second

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/71yHEu5qsDqponjrC3fXa1

@sterile jackal

[sterile jackal]

thanks

hm

navigations are bad rn?

[balmy condor]

force and gale are just better

agi is huge

so force is good

and autos are huge

so gale is good

[sterile jackal]

what about flat mastery trait instead of gutripper? Never liked this one and since we aa a lot mastery could be better

[balmy condor]

blood siphon?

[sterile jackal]

yup

[balmy condor]

also auto's don't really boost mastery that much tbh

[sterile jackal]

they boost poisons aplication

[balmy condor]

doesn't mean they make the stat any good

[mossy cargo]

I’m going to try go for vers/crit

[balmy condor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vDDmH8AKUcEbmkiAsE9ucx

in this case tho

0.2%

[sterile jackal]

0,2% less to 4k dps

[balmy condor]

technically margin of error

[sterile jackal]

so all i would need to be better is M gear

:<

[balmy condor]

I'd actually think that 0.2% is most likely from NP :P

yeah, just undergeared

feels bad

but its prepatch, so I wouldn't worry about it

[sterile jackal]

sure thing

thanks for your help 😉

[balmy condor]

any time

[fallow estuary]

Do you still stack crit>>vers=mastery and 3x EB+SS for M+?

[balmy condor]

yes

vers > mastery though

with 3 eb

[pseudo hamlet]

Is it possible to squeeze more DPS from this gear? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/a73pU8hjNVxipecfmawdeZ
I did some sims and couldn't find any better option(but maybe someone will notice something I couldn't ).

[mossy cargo]

man yall pushing so high

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vGUnydbF13ZLQncY3VvHcs

[balmy condor]

so many sims for me to do

[mossy cargo]

i think i've simed to the best i can tbh, i can change a neck trait but i don't have it yet

[balmy condor]

@pseudo hamlet https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7T5fsNGhYYMzzG9v4CjJzz

looks like a down, but its actually an up

I have personal food and stuff still setup

but I guess I need to switch over

[pseudo hamlet]

@balmy condor thank you! You are awesome 😄

[balmy condor]

:)

[mossy cargo]

also pvp feels so good without corruption

[shrewd night]

can u do my sims too whispyr

[balmy condor]

no

you're a weird color

not sure I trust it

[mossy cargo]

[balmy condor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vb174LCJwbHnQnLHz4Ucii

[mossy cargo]

cheers its a start

[balmy condor]

ye

the essences are pain

[mossy cargo]

they really are

[storm perch]

hello everyone, are sims correct for prepatch? in terms of assassination's action lists?

[mossy cargo]

i appreciate it though

[balmy condor]

@storm perch yes, they're fine

[lapis jungle]

Is there any way to fastfarm CLF?

[balmy condor]

nop

[shrewd night]

The fastfarm is to do mythic two times

[balmy condor]

tru

mega speedy

[shrewd night]

just two weeks

[lapis jungle]

Will I get rank 3 in 2 lockouts? 🙂

[balmy condor]

and definitely worth it

[shrewd night]

[balmy condor]

I wouldn't bother farming it

it doesn't matter at all

[lapis jungle]

how come?

[balmy condor]

cause its prepatch and no one cares about your damage

and its not usable in shadowlands

[lapis jungle]

I care about my damage though, otherwise I wouldnt bother

[balmy condor]

you care about your prepatch damage?

I wouldn't suggest it

but you do you

at least not enough to farm clf

[lapis jungle]

The prepatch will probably be around for atleast a couple of weeks. So why wouldnt I? :d

[balmy condor]

because prepatch is an unbalanced disaster

you may sim 4500

[shrewd night]

Because it takes two weeks to farm, depending on if you can kill azshara mythic or not. Or three, if you cant.

[balmy condor]

but hunters are simming 5200

so

if you really care

you're playing the wrong spec

and the wrong class

sin is the weakest

so

[lapis jungle]

Hehe fair point. But its not like I have anything better to do online :d

[shrewd night]

Aight, glhf pugging azshara

[lapis jungle]

Got myself a guild for that, so no worries:)

[balmy condor]

they want to do mythic ep?

for 2 weeks?

and they can kill it?

[lapis jungle]

.. yes?

[balmy condor]

wild

[verbal mantle]

(and if your guild ever puts preessure on you for your pre patch DPS, it's embarassing)

[vestal wren]

assassination does not seem to bad in pre patch

[drifting cosmos]

thats some hardcore focus

pre-patch farming

[balmy condor]

assassination is not bad

but it is still the worst

:)

[drifting cosmos]

and here my details isnt work property and i most likely just quit because of that

[verbal mantle]

the man told he had nothing else to do so why not

[lapis jungle]

They don't. We are just a bunch of IRL friends. And its not like EPL takes that long

[verbal mantle]

okok thats nice

[shrewd night]

I mean

[vestal wren]

sub is quite low on statistics in mythic because it does very bad in aoe

[balmy condor]

ye

[drifting cosmos]

is sub hype already there

[balmy condor]

black powder btw

[shrewd night]

You make it sound like azshara mythic is a cakewalk, but

[vestal wren]

so on a pure st scale sin is "worse" but "overall" it might not be

[verbal mantle]

im curious about Ashvane rn

[shrewd night]

Thats just a straight nuke

[verbal mantle]

:(

[fallow estuary]

I'm simming 600 less DUNGEON SLICE than my hunter mate singletarget

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ws9owqYrjJxXgarGzE1TnX

time to give it up

[balmy condor]

rogue unplayable confirmed

pack it up

[fallow estuary]

yes

[verbal mantle]

giving up ?

the fuck ?

[fallow estuary]

we're all done

close the discord

[balmy condor]

literally the worst spec in the game

everyone leave

reroll hunter right now

[verbal mantle]

finally i guess

[fallow estuary]

just rename discord - everyone here will be a hunter now

[shrewd night]

TIL people actually care about irrelevant numbers

[fallow estuary]

check my sim tho- what am i doin wrong?

Wait you learned that TODAY?

how long you'Ve been playin wow for?

2 days?

[balmy condor]

he stays out of #subtlety for the most part

if he were to go in there

it would be learned much sooner

[tropic ocean]

@shrewd night can you make it so you need to solve a captcha before getting access to spec channels?

like the one where you need to click all images with street light or trucks

[shrewd night]

Nah, Im watchdog. BEtter than captcha

[crimson palm]

captcha's pretty hard for all dh rerollers

u'd achieve 99% automation

[ember rover]

Rogue is super fine

Just not assa

Time to swap, my bleedy poisony friends

[tropic ocean]

whats not fine with assa

[ember rover]

Numbers

[tropic ocean]

[drifting cosmos]

pre-patch numbers

[ember rover]

What? Arent we in prepatch?

[balmy condor]

blue names

[tropic ocean]

idk so far i top the meters in every dungeon

but maybe 5k rio ppl are just bad

and im a god

who knows

[ember rover]

My apologies, I was talking about raid.

[balmy condor]

prepatch raiding

[ember rover]

Arent we in pre-patch, friend?

There are far more people raiding now than they were in the last month

[balmy condor]

@shrewd night I'm getting deja vu

[shrewd night]

passive bonuses locked behind levelup experience

wow, this spec is dog shit

[balmy condor]

specs balanced around none of the content currently in the game

wow the content in the game is really unbalanced