assassination

[half tartan]

What are looking like good ST essences for 8.3?

[quasi pewter]

you can save clf for vendetta if the fight is 5 min for example

raid essence is propably still good, bote will see play, worldvein

maybe new essences

as majors

[half tartan]

I'm mainly concerned that condensed life force remains in major

[quasi pewter]

minors still lucid>>>>all and iris/c&s

[half tartan]

that would suck

[civic palm]

IIRC the Execute Major looks OK, so long the numbers aren't bunk.

[quasi pewter]

it might for pure st patchwerk

we dont know yet

but most fights arent that

so even if it still sims highest its not gonna be used in all fights

100%

[civic palm]

Course not.

The minors might end up being better but we've already 1 strong minor.

[small kestrel]

!traits

!help

!azerite

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Azerite overview: https://bit.ly/2U86I7o

[ashen solar]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

BfA Simulations:
Herodamage: https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[atomic willow]

what's the thought on the new raid trinkets for sin?

[civic palm]

Too early, there were changes to weapons and corruptions earlier today so if there's anything really off with the trinkets we might see them before the 14th as well.

Won't know for certain until Heroic Week is over.

[pure moth]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[late crystal]

Could anyone explain something to me

[civic palm]

Fire away!!

🔫

[late crystal]

So my friend who is a ranger does more then twice my damage while he is 5 levels lower

is that normal

[civic palm]

Some classes (and specs for those classes) have damage that is given in different ways.

Assassination is almost entirely over time, whereas other classes do huge singular hits or some blend of those ideas.

[late crystal]

It just feels like im not doing alot of damage

[civic palm]

What level?

[late crystal]

28

[civic palm]

Yeah, things are big old fucking shrugs that low level. You've very few damage options, very low stats, and nothing interesting in terms of endgame mechanics.

As assassination you will be doing less damage.

[late crystal]

So should i change class or is it gonna get better

?

[civic palm]

No?

Will get better and, if things are designed well enough, every spec/class has a place where they do better/equal damage to other specs/classes.

If you went Outlaw you will have more upfront damage if that appeases you for the moment.

[late crystal]

Is there anything i should be doing right now to get more damage

[civic palm]

Level :3

[late crystal]

Im talking about gear

cus i had the same weapons for 10 levels

[civic palm]

Can look at the AH for stuff, dunno what quest rewards look like on Retail anymore sorry.

[late crystal]

Yea the AH is really expensive

[civic palm]

Can be, yep.

[late crystal]

Like atleast 50 gold for a decent item

Useable*

[civic palm]

So long things are dying and you're not struggling just keep leveling.

[late crystal]

Alright thanks

[strange python]

first time leveling is a pain, it gets only better

[civic palm]

Yep, you get Heirlooms that blast shit, much smoother.

[late crystal]

The hell are Heirlooms?

[strange python]

items that boost the experience you get

[late crystal]

How do you get that

[storm lodge]

need some help - can anyone check a parse and give me advice on ashvane?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Y7cyvFj2PVxdg3MR/#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=12

im parsing very much in the gray so wondering what im doing wrong

i used my cds primarily during the shield breaks

[quasi pewter]

dont use fok

first vanish is bad

garrote uptime is bad

u garroted a bubble at one point

[storm lodge]

Should I just ff one of the bubbles? I only used for when when there were bubbles

While near boss so I could still use finishers on boss

[quasi pewter]

ff?

[storm lodge]

Focus

[quasi pewter]

you can rupture one

[storm lodge]

And switch back to boss ?

[quasi pewter]

yea

unless you have problems with the bubbles surviving too long

[storm lodge]

Hmm I didn’t want to use rupture because I wanted to save cps for boss

[quasi pewter]

you can also just ignore them completely

[storm lodge]

Switching targets sucks 😞

You mean ignore them unless it’s critical ?

[quasi pewter]

for some reason ur casting a 3cp rupture at 11s

[storm lodge]

Yeah that might have been a mistake

I always rupture at 4-5

[quasi pewter]

definitely stop fokking the bubbles

thats very bad

[storm lodge]

Is the garrote uptime enough to push me down?

[quasi pewter]

you should have as close to 100 % uptime on ur bleeds as possible

90% is way too low

[storm lodge]

Ah

Kk.. will def try and improve that

[quasi pewter]

also ur first burst window is just so scuffed

you pop vendetta and tb and then first thing you do is refresh bleeds

and then vanish after tb has fallen off

ur also wasting cps with mut

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Y7cyvFj2PVxdg3MR/#fight=last&type=resources&source=12&spell=104

there should be a 0 next to mutilate

[storm lodge]

I see!

I need to get bleeds up before the font + vendetta + tb window ?

[quasi pewter]

you should avoid refreshing bleeds in tb

[civic palm]

Don't refresh during your largest DPS burst window, let alone during normal TB windows.

[storm lodge]

Kk

[civic palm]

Your goal should be smashing AS MANY Mutilates and Envenoms in there as possible.

[quasi pewter]

also ur using coral wrong

[storm lodge]

Ah yeah I messed up coral on this one .. that part I knew

Popping it

[quasi pewter]

yea you used vendetta too early

and then coral was outside it

[storm lodge]

I applied at beginning and wanted to pop it during second burst but I missed it

Yeah I think I get it.. basically I’m hitting stuff as soon it’s available instead of waiting and planning better to time them together

[quasi pewter]

second burst is same as first

vendetta tb then refreshing bleeds

[storm lodge]

Ugh

So fix mutilate combo points, don’t bleed during tb or vendetta , improve bleed uptime

[quasi pewter]

yes

and dont fok

refreshing bleeds towards the end of vendetta is ok btw

[storm lodge]

I saw a video on yt which said smash todic blade as soon as it’s up.. I guess that’s wrong advice.. I’ll make sure bleeds are at full before doing that

[quasi pewter]

its better than having them fall off

[storm lodge]

Ah kk

[quasi pewter]

but in ur vendetta tb window is very bad

[storm lodge]

Kk!

And I always want to hold off on vendetta until tb is up right?

If it doesn’t affect the total number of vendettas

[quasi pewter]

you dont have to hold vendetta usually

as long as the full tb is inside it its ok

doesnt matter if its first 9 seconds or last

[drifting cloud]

also youre supposed to smash tb on cd

[storm lodge]

Ah!!

[drifting cloud]

but you need to think about your bleeds before

thats why pandemic exists

[storm lodge]

Ah kk

[drifting cloud]

its not terrible to refresh inside, but dont make it a habit

[storm lodge]

What’s ideal if my bleed is at 12-13 seconds when tb is coming off cd

[quasi pewter]

also you should usually font directly after a tb if it doesnt mean holding it for too long

[drifting cloud]

I mean thats a non issue, they will still be up after tb window is already done

[quasi pewter]

for example on ur second burst ur tb is back up at 227 seconds

and you font at 229

and then you kind of have to use tb but you shouldnt because you want to use tb with vendetta and you shouldnt vendetta yet

[storm lodge]

Hmm but fronting inside a tb window isn’t good right? Doesn’t it waste 4 seconds of th e window ?

[quasi pewter]

you want to do a tb window and font directly after if the fight allows it

for example behemoth 2nd platform

you kill first fish there

go boss

apply bleeds

do tb window

then font

etc

[storm lodge]

Oh you mean a full window .. not after hitting toxic blade

[quasi pewter]

yes

[storm lodge]

Ah kk

[civic palm]

Technically 9 seconds after hitting it O _O :3

[storm lodge]

That makes sense

[quasi pewter]

also ur gear isnt great so that obviously hinders you too

[storm lodge]

Hmm which pieces

I thought it was pretty good in terms of traits

[quasi pewter]

i just mean most of ur gears ilvl

[storm lodge]

Coral and font, 3x dd and 3x op

Ah

[quasi pewter]

low amount of sockets

no mythic azerites

430 daggers

430 trinkets

[storm lodge]

Ah... but it said I did better than only 19% of rogues at my ilvl

So I assumed gear was ok

[civic palm]

Note that sockets do not add to item level.

[storm lodge]

Atleast that’s wha to thought the ilvl% column meant

Ah

[civic palm]

So it's kinda wrong just looking at item level.

[quasi pewter]

its just kind of low ilvl at this point in the tier

[storm lodge]

I see

[quasi pewter]

• low sockets too

azerite ilvl makes a big difference

mh weapon too

[storm lodge]

Kk! Yeah that makes sense

I started pretty late so didn’t have enough residuum

[quasi pewter]

definitely work on the things we suggested tho

its not just the gear 😄

[storm lodge]

Yup definitely

Thanks guys

[quasi pewter]

ur welcome

[storm lodge]

I have a lot to practice 😬

[light pasture]

A quick question; Do we have to play around EP and Envenom buff and in what manner, if so.

[quasi pewter]

only very minor gains to do so

[light pasture]

Ok, I'll keep that in mind. Thank you! ❤️

[fading stag]

Anyone mind checking out a log for me?https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3wKVayBPgpLQ1b6J/#fight=2&type=damage-done&source=4

[quasi pewter]

you should use tb on cd

very big gap there between 4 and 5

also there is really big gaps where ur just doing nothing a few times

[storm lodge]

whats the addon that shows abilities floating across the screen? i see it in some dratnos videos as well where theres mutilates and tbs floating from right to left on the screen... is that something that tells you when an ability is coming off cd? or like a rotation suggestion?

[quasi pewter]

if you could give a link @storm lodge i could maybe tell you

[storm lodge]

sec

[quasi pewter]

might be trufigcd, which basically just shows what he used last

mainly for stream viewers

so they can see what he casts

[civic palm]

inb4 a weakaura, trufiGCD, or Details Streamer Mode.

[fading stag]

I should probably have step for after soak so the space isn't as large?

[quasi pewter]

idk if thats what u mean tho

if ur step is off cd you can obv use it to get back to boss after bringing a zone out in a fight like this

[storm lodge]

https://youtu.be/4tUGdxp9GB4?t=47

at the top if the screen at the time i linked

[quasi pewter]

but there is multiple gaps of you doing nothing for like 5-7 seconds which usually shouldnt happen as often

ur also not using font+coral together correctly

ur using coral when vendetta is almost over

there is a pin in #tc-updates about it

yea thats trufigcd i think

[civic palm]

ew what a mess... could be trufi

The animations look similar enough.

Something like that might work as well.

https://wago.io/RvbxkQEv2

[quasi pewter]

it just shows what he used, streamers mainly use this so viewers can see what buttons they press

[civic palm]

But TrufiGCD is VERY lightweight.

[quasi pewter]

and yea same as the guy before you, ur gear just isnt that good

[storm lodge]

ah i see!

[quasi pewter]

its ok, but low ilvl kind of

weapons/trinkets

[fading stag]

I see thanks, I'll look into it more, I thought it was , in combat, font wait 14s then vend

[quasi pewter]

ur chest isnt great either

it is

but thats not what you did

😄

[fading stag]

oh lmao I guess I messed up simple counting, but what do you mean about low ilvl? benthic gear sims higher for me in EP

[quasi pewter]

nah not benthic

i mean no mythic weapons

trinkets only hc

shoulder hc, chest not that great

its ok but far from great ofc, ur gameplay isnt that bad apart from the things i mentioned with tb and font coral usage

[fading stag]

Most of this is not really in my control, but my with this gear my sim is saying I should be doing 13k more dps? are those things you mentioned that big of a dps loss?

[drifting cloud]

how much are you simming

[fading stag]

not in my control I mean no mythic dagger and no better trinks

[quasi pewter]

yea ofc

[fading stag]

53k with benthics in EP

[drifting cloud]

theres no way you sim 53k

[quasi pewter]

53k with that gear? rly?

wouldve though below 50k

[drifting cloud]

like literally impossible

it is below 50

100%

[fading stag]

I did a 3 min sim since the fight was only 3:10

[quasi pewter]

ah

[drifting cloud]

always sim 5min

[fading stag]

Well yeah but I wanted to see for that fight, I dunno how to compare a 3min fight to a 5min sim

[drifting cloud]

yeah I guess

[ornate gazelle]

Do we wanna do pvp this week for chest next week or is it the old ilvls?

[quasi pewter]

main issue is just tb and font coral usage

other than that ur fine id say

[fading stag]

I did a 5min sim it gives 50k dps, I don't know how close it's possible to be to the sim, or is those problems worth 10k?

[quasi pewter]

messing up burst windows and missing casts of tb can amount to alot of dps lost

also as i mentioned the times where ur not doing anything

maybe soaking for other people or whatever

obviously loses alot of dps

[fading stag]

I see, I'll work on that thanks 😃

if you don't mind checking the other bosses to see if anything else pops out that'd be awesome

I know my bleeds uptime were low on a few

[quasi pewter]

this on behemoth

obv not good

also for behemoth you should do a full tb window on 2nd platform before going into ur burst

that way you dont have to delay ur tb and dont lose a cast

also makes it easier to line ur whole burst window up

[fading stag]

messing up MA yeah, should be setting up bleeds, tb window then burst gotcha

[quasi pewter]

same thing happens on radiance

you font immediately after coming out of add phase

and end up delaying tb for 12 seconds

if ur not gonna lose a cast of vendetta/ur other 2 min cds, there is no harm in delaying them

but since tb is such a short cd, delaying it even a little bit will quickly result in a loss of an entire cast

font coral usage is better tho on radiance, disregarding the tb usage

[fading stag]

I see, and is it I could wait 14s after font for vend, or I could also wait for 6s on coral?

[quasi pewter]

you want to use vendetta 14s after font

so you get full vendetta in ur font buff

and then coral asap during vendetta

which is 6s into it ofc

[fading stag]

which is also 6s on coral up since they have a 20s cd? yeah okay

[quasi pewter]

and because you want ur tb to ideally be in ur coral window, its best to tb directly before font

so tb comes up after ur coral and you dont have to delay it

[fading stag]

also ashvane opener is messed up, early pull and got forced combat

[quasi pewter]

or well not tb directly before

[civic palm]

_>

[quasi pewter]

but tb and then font after the 9s

is what i meant

[fading stag]

yeah I get it so I get a tb window in with my cds and not wasted

well not wasted but more out of it

for ashvane should I have saved vanish? feel like that was a mistake to use it then instead of after vend/tb

[quasi pewter]

you mean at start

[fading stag]

yeah, I don't feel like getting 2 muts in the MA is that much of a gain compared to what I lose

[quasi pewter]

i mean that shouldnt happen anyway but yea

just dont get caught out of stealth on pull again i guess

[fading stag]

lol yup, that's what I fear most on QA

[quasi pewter]

there is a weakaura that shows you exactly when you get infight there

https://wago.io/uVjgc7Mor

[fading stag]

Sweet that'll be pretty useful

don't think I'll be doing many more EP runs though

[quasi pewter]

but overall ur gameplay is ok just optimizing ur cd usage a little bit

tb more on cd

font coral usage

thats it pretty much

[fading stag]

Okay sounds good, thanks for the help!

[quasi pewter]

glad to be of help

[wise idol]

Hmm i sim 39400ish but doing around 33k on dummie... Is there a thing people tend to do wrong as assassin ? if there's a common mistake people tend to do

[arctic walrus]

sim again after clicking the "no buffs" button

and tell me how closer it is

[wise idol]

Oh shit the buffs are with monks 5%, DH and all that, now i got 31 656

Damn didn't think that would make 8k dps difference

Guess i'm just using the coral abit bad. I apply it at the start and i use it on my second set of cds

[arctic walrus]

sounds right

[wise idol]

Oh okey so i'm using it right then

[royal lantern]

we dont know yet 100%

[uneven summit]

so what´s the best crafting for 8.3

[royal lantern]

cus its quite possible that stuff will change on the mythic week

if you wanna minmax engi/leatherworking

[uneven summit]

JC for rings no?

[drifting cloud]

no because mecha m+

[uneven summit]

ahh right

So engi for head, leatherwork for pants/boots yea?

[young portal]

Yeah, helm is nice for transitioning into a new tier for sure until you get BiS. LW works well as in some cases you don't replace those pieces all tier

[prime quail]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[strange python]

back to bfa after a long break, is the shrouded suffocation build still a thing or was that nerfed?

(mostly m+ focused)

[robust light]

Sure is

[vestal wren]

ss remains the best all around trait

and i don't see that changing

[strange python]

ok awesome, i was a bit thrown off my bloodmallet simming it close to last

[scarlet urchin]

@strange python at bloodmallet they also tell you what talents are used etc in the sim, I checked and they're running master assassin which would make SS way worse

[strange python]

oh i didnt see that, are you able to change the talents?

[scarlet urchin]

not that I know 😦

[shut garnet]

well, you can sim yourself

in raidbots

and you can change whatever you like about that sim

[cobalt pelican]

bloodmallet doesn't have dungeon sims

only hecticaddcleave which has no restealths for 5 minutes

[frozen pecan]

what attacks do you use as rogue

[cobalt pelican]

wizard ones

[frozen pecan]

ok, do you use poisons?

[faint harness]

Will we get any sims this year

or have all the simc people quit the game

[cobalt pelican]

simc is still being updated for the patch, ptr is still receiving changes even this late in the cycle

[autumn girder]

Which dummy should i use to compare it to sims?

[shut garnet]

xd

i mean

any?

[bronze kelp]

depends on what you want to sim 😉

@autumn girder

[autumn girder]

Just single target

[bronze kelp]

boss dummy for boss dmg, BUT as you wont have all the raid buffs up etc. you wont get a comparable result

[strange python]

can som1 link me bis assa gear?

all pieces

all gear pieces*

rings etc

[young portal]

Keep in mind that sims(unless unselected) run assuming you have all buffs, bloodlust, 5% physical/magic damage debuff etc

[bronze kelp]

there is no bis gear

[strange python]

azshara trinket + coral = bis

if anyone got the link to all bis setup for assa dm me ❤️

[bronze kelp]

@strange python there is no bis gear

[strange python]

XD?

[bronze kelp]

sure there are bis trinkets or bis azerite pieces

[strange python]

yes but bis gear is mastery/haste

[bronze kelp]

but all your other gear depends on what you get forged

[strange python]

prolly

yeah fair

what about azerite pieces

[bronze kelp]

for? ST?

• the fact, that with new raid, all the "bis" pieces will maybe change

[strange python]

yes

wdym will change?

[young portal]

There are bis azerite and trinkets, but there's no 'bis list' for the rest. You use what sims best for you, theres no specific pieces to chase due to WF/TF + sockets etc. Atm at least

[strange python]

ait

!azerite

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Azerite overview: https://bit.ly/2U86I7o

[bronze kelp]

@strange python there will be a new raid, new azerite pieces, new trinkets and stuff

thats what I mean will change 😉

[strange python]

what are the azerite pieces rn btw

[young portal]

Zaqul helm + Gorak shoulders + blackwater/cepha chest

[dire spoke]

mate, if you get a piece sim it. It's not like you grind one every hour

[strange python]

@young portal why the blackwater tho?

thats blackwater

[dire spoke]

you are in #assassination right now

[young portal]

Loyal to the end trait is nutty af when enough people in the raid use it, plus TTK which isn't bad, OP which is broken atm

As above, you do realise this is sin channel right?

[strange python]

yeah i do

im not going to reforge just to link you the azerite piece we are talking about

lol

[dire spoke]

okay, but there was no need to link it

[strange python]

i linked it because I wanted to ask why

since it didnt make sense to me due to the fact it was missed NP and DD

[dire spoke]

barker answered that, it can sim better based on your character

engi helm can sim better than zaqul too

[strange python]

can?

[dire spoke]

based on your character

[strange python]

as in in assasination

depending on stats

right

[young portal]

Depending on stats/other traits you have

[dire spoke]

the only template rogue that there can be is a 455 full socket toon which 99% of the players never see

BiS is gone since legion

you get a piece, you sim it

[strange python]

bruh

im an outlaw rogue

respecing to assasination

for raids in next patch

i need bis so i can farm it

so i can get it

and then i can sim it

cuz i know that the shit i have rn is trash for assa

[outer lotus]

Get 455 socketed pieces across the board then

For single target all the secondary stats are pretty similar so you kinda just want big stuff with a socket

[fleet glen]

if you dont wanna sim your character all the time this setup should be the best on almost all characters
https://gyazo.com/8dd98e3666a64c11aade907ebb99fbd7
you get that by using:

• Cephalohide Jacket (Chest, M+)
• Gorak Tul's Mantle (Shoulders, M+)
• Shroud of Unmooring Whispers (Head, Zaqul)

[strange python]

@fleet glen so doing more then one NP is useless

bad*

[dire spoke]

it can sim less sometimes, yeah

[fleet glen]

1 is generally enough, yes

but for 8.3 you probably have to go with 2-3 NP traits since raid gear is +10 ilvls on the last 2 bosses

[dire spoke]

you have to go with what you get, lol

[fleet glen]

true

but you know what I mean lol

[dire spoke]

sure

[strange python]

yeah i get that

im getting trialed into a decent guild

and need to quickly get my shit together for assasination

in the up and coming weeks

[dire spoke]

if you accept the fact that you're not able to grind BiS you'll be fine

[young portal]

Farming for bis at this stage is pointless imo, since you'll be replacing it dead soon anyway. Patch is next week, the raid is the week after. Don't waste your time

[strange python]

@young portal i need to get something till next patch

ok let me just put it this way

currently i have
Chest: blackwater
Shoulders: frothing rage
Head: circlet and inexorable tide

[fleet glen]

just try and get a feeling for assa, use what sims best, dont waste your bonus rolls, if you have spare titan go for whatever youre missing

[strange python]

which one of them should i replace

yeah, about the titan

thats why im asking

which one i shoudl reroll

[dire spoke]

you can use droptimizer for that

[fleet glen]

there is a sim option for different gear

[strange python]

and which one i can get from first 4 bsses mythic lets say

[fleet glen]

use droptimizer or gear compare

[dire spoke]

import your toon here and check your options https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/droptimizer

also you're basically learning for an exam on the last 2 days

[strange python]

assaination isnt hard

anyway

[dire spoke]

*preparing

it's just an analogy and if your guild isn't dumb they accept that you wont hit biggest numbers and help you

[shut garnet]

yeah theres no way ur getting giga geared in the next 2 weeks

aka before next raid hits

a) its not possible unless you giga rng it and b) itll be pointless

[young portal]

The traits on the azerite you've got already are more than fine, they're not bis but they're fine. As Zempai said, if your guild is half decent they'll understand your situation

[shut garnet]

all ur grind will be replaced by heroic pieces in 2 weeks so whas the point

[young portal]

^

[dire spoke]

that's true but decent gear can be crucial for clearing heroic and getting that gear

lol

[shut garnet]

yeah, that is very true

but that comes down to how competitive he wants to be

[atomic willow]

I mean the new raid trinkets could be shit and not sim higher then max ilvl font and coral

[narrow comet]

engineering/letherworking gave me easy pieces, azerite helm and lw boots/pants since pearl boots are no point and a waste to gamble. Leveled both pretty cheap and use lw to scrap bracers for expulsom. Thats 450 and 2 x 440

[rigid mango]

That's what it looks like might happen.

[shut garnet]

font and coral are definitely staples like

those are unarguably bis

likely into high next tier as well

[rigid mango]

But just like draught in legion, they might just gut these trinkets to force you into new ones.

[shut garnet]

it seems weird it's like a week before patch and they havent mentioned any changes to either trinkets or echoing void

[rigid mango]

So we'll just have to see.

[shut garnet]

🤔

[fleet glen]

they should delete font tbh

fuck that double on use shit

[atomic willow]

or they could go the route they did where instead of nerfing Echoing Void they buffed everything else......mby they buff the trinkets vs nerfing font and coral

[shut garnet]

yeah, no

[rigid mango]

They shouldn't buff things

Nerf echoing for sure

Trinkets wise yeah, just buff the raid ones.

[shut garnet]

why nerf echoing just buff all the other stats and abilities and traits lol?

anyway trinkets dont seem too powerful for assa

[fleet glen]

raid trinkets dont look too good in general

[rigid mango]

They don't look good for anyone

[fleet glen]

^

[rigid mango]

And this raids trinkets were insane

[hallow coyote]

Yeah, they were crazy good

[rigid mango]

So either they nerf current ones and force you into new ones, or they buff new ones to make them half decent

[hallow coyote]

I am so ready to hopefully go down to one use trinket next tier though 🤞

[shut garnet]

at least we'll have m+ trinkets

spyglass dice

[fleet glen]

are there full trinket sims out yet for rogue?

[rigid mango]

M+ trinkets are worse than vanilla mythic font coral

(:

[hallow coyote]

They can corrupt though

[shut garnet]

at 475?

[hallow coyote]

iirc

[atomic willow]

even at new ilvl?

[rigid mango]

Yes

[fleet glen]

i simmed all 475 m+ trinkets with a socket on my DH and all of them were like -2k dps compared to coral

doubt its much of a difference on rogue

[rigid mango]

So yeah, no.

Dungeon trinkets wont be better

All down to current mythic trinkets or balancing.

[outer lotus]

imagine if trinkets cuold corrupt and you got your bis corruption on a my'das talisman or cannonball runner and had to use it

[oblique moon]

Stop...don’t even suggest that

[ashen solar]

im glad the only pve I do is m+

give me coral, thanks

[dire spoke]

no more bonusrolls this ID

[young portal]

So its probably still worth chasing a 445 baseline font when the new tier hits?

[rigid mango]

yep

If not straight up BiS, I can see it being good for encounters that need the burst window

cough ilgynoth

[young portal]

That is ass

[dire spoke]

it wouldn't be so piss if you'd skip to zaqul or something

[young portal]

I mean surely if the new trinkets are shit for multiple classes, people will wanna get groups together for it initially

But yeah pugging that doesn't sound appealing

[rigid mango]

I think coral/ink/font are BiS for all melees, more or less.

[arctic socket]

Any of the 8.3 trinkets looking nice

?

[rigid mango]

[dire spoke]

read the last 10 messages

( :

[atomic willow]

with the new affix nxt season wonder if going back to 2/2/2 is gonna happen

[rigid mango]

🔮

[strange python]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[strange python]

does loyal to the end outsim even with no people having it?

[rigid mango]

No

[modest tendon]

I’ve seen seli go ttk/ss on his shimmerscale on a reclear when nobody was using loyal

[rigid mango]

Doesn't seem good either

[cobalt pelican]

prolly just from a lack of gear/care

[modest tendon]

Was probably a cba to reforge though

[shy axle]

I read somithing about vop essence + 3 NP and whatnot for the upcoming raid a few weeks ago. Is that something or just a test ? what do you think will be the sought after azerite? Idk if something changes until it is posted here in the future

[rigid mango]

over a 1k dps loss to do that but ye

vop wont be Bis no

[cobalt pelican]

tbh a lot of it hinges on whether on use trinkets are the hotness or not

the massive dropoff from np vop is mostly just cause the apl gets drunk with font coral

[rigid mango]

Eh, I still don't see it beating just aligning your CD's with blood

[shy axle]

ok good to know, thanks mates

[rigid mango]

And just playing like we do now

Maybe it wont be downright terrible but it wont be good

[hollow junco]

my dream is still 1min30sec vendettas that line up with bote

not a practical dream. a nice dream, though.

[rigid mango]

Yeah then you just need to lower vanish too and ez pez

You can play VoP minor form+ though

Plays really well.

[cobalt pelican]

i can see it being good tbh especially with the gear available but i can also see it being ass

[hollow junco]

suddenly actually miss nighthold

[cobalt pelican]

depends on way too many things like if bote is the numerical best at any point, trinkets, etc

will have to wait and see

[rigid mango]

I just don't see it realistically being good for prog atleast

Maybe some weird log cheesing shit post tier but just aligning your CD's like you do rn is just way too effective

[shy axle]

what azerite setup looks best so far for nyalotha? Even if it changes until then, just pure interest whats todays bet

[rocky ruin]

3xDD,3xNP

throw a TTK between maybe

or even the new Trait

[rigid mango]

It'll just be loa + 2 nzoth pieces for total bis

But during tier you're just gonna be simming droptimizer and knowing where stuff drops/what order you're doing stuff in

[hollow junco]

i feel like I'm going to want either an outlaw swap or a 3EB set ready to go for a few bosses

[rigid mango]

doubt

3 EB wont be used for any boss afaik.

[hollow junco]

depends on pad opportunities on things like wraithion, hivemind

[rigid mango]

Yeah but there's no reason to pad 😉

[hollow junco]

i think you're just flatly correct though for progression, sure

so let me correct myself

I feel like I'm going to want a pad set ready to go for a few of the bosses

[shut garnet]

adds on hivemine dont really matter anyway like

boss is about focus dmg

so you're probably only gonna get flamed for running 3eb

[modest tendon]

What build will people run for hive mind? Ss?

[rigid mango]

Boss dmg.

[modest tendon]

Ss+dd and whatever else?

No eb

[rigid mango]

Why SS

Just standard boss dmg

lol

[modest tendon]

2 bosses

[rigid mango]

Just play standard boss damage and barely lose anything

[modest tendon]

Or go outlaw 😛

[rigid mango]

Or that, who cares, boss looks like free loot.

[modest tendon]

Idd, football boss is looking like the most stressful so far

[rigid mango]

Meh I'll probs be playing outlaw if I'm in on stuff like carapace

[modest tendon]

I mean assa is good if you can make up the add damage

[rigid mango]

All dependant on a lot of factors

Depends more about if assa is good on nzoth probs

Since our dagger is from carapace

[hollow junco]

i don't see any reason to take SS in new raid not even for pad

[ionic dew]

We havnt been touched by class changes in 8.3 yet right?

[hollow junco]

i do see potential pad opportunites with EB though

[rigid mango]

There might be a reason to for illgynoth/hivemind

0 class changes, correct.

[modest tendon]

Play outlaw if you want to pad

[ionic dew]

Fantatsic

[modest tendon]

EB is pointless

Unless you want logs

[hollow junco]

pointless was implied when teh word 'padding' was used

[modest tendon]

You can progress and pad as outlaw 😛

[hollow junco]

true 😦

[rigid mango]

And if you can pad with eb the fight is probs not worth all star

So again, no one cares

[shy axle]

@rigid mango loa?

[rigid mango]

Slithering loa helm

swirling sands

[shy axle]

ah yeah thanks

[wanton pond]

so stacking NP is seeming the wave for 8.3?

for ST ?

or still keeping it at 1?

[rigid mango]

Stack whatever sims best

[vast forum]

sim everything - use what sims best - do shit dps cuz you're bad - come here complaining that sims are bad - get told to git gud - leave server in anger/denial - use what you think is better than sims tell you

[quasi scroll]

What's the best sim settings for e.g. Ashvane?

Do you just use the default Patchwerk stuff?

[rigid mango]

Yep

[quasi scroll]

Thanks

[bright tusk]

Will "High altitude turban" be any useful in raids for sin in 8.3? Wanna scrap it and roll the dice on a shoulder token

[rigid mango]

Pretty sure it's horrendous for every spec

[bright tusk]

Perfect ty

[stray folio]

Will Condensed life-force be needed for next patch ?

[quasi pewter]

🔮

[vast forum]

wv

[uneven aspen]

ist is true that we are going to need wv or just a meme? I'm scared

[vast forum]

have you seen the changes to WV

[uneven aspen]

Hmm no. But I should get going now if I need it^^

[rigid mango]

WV looks potentially bonkers if the encounter allows for it

[near apex]

I’m still very curious about 3xNP with vision major

[rigid mango]

Bad

Idk how many times I need to say it

bad

Major isn't good enough to solo carry a minor that does 0 for your dps

wont be after the buffs either

[dire spoke]

because you're not green or orange

[vestal wren]

you got a reputation for memeing^^

[dire spoke]

[strange python]

haha

[autumn girder]

After the opener: Vendetta is already up, TB comes up and vanish still needs like 5-8 seconds. Do I want to still use TB on cd or wait that seconds to combine it with powered garrote and vendetta?

[strange python]

oO

[dire spoke]

are you talking about subterfuge

[rigid mango]

They shouldn't be that far away from one another

[strange python]

then no

[autumn girder]

but theoretically should i wait or just tb ?

[rigid mango]

Theoretically they shouldn't be like that

[autumn girder]

im new to assa and sometimes it happens cuz i fail something in the opener

[rigid mango]

You're playing it fundamentally wrong

Fix the actual issue instead of fixing an issue that shouldn't be there

[dire spoke]

you don't want to use bleeds for the first 3 seconds after vanish when running masterassassin

[rigid mango]

Either vanish is entirely desynced to vend after the opener, in the case of using subterfuge

[strange python]

zempai didnt he talk about subterfuge ?

[autumn girder]

im playing with subterfuge

[rigid mango]

or it should be essentially spaced by 2 GCD's, like it would with MA

[dire spoke]

that's what I asked

[rigid mango]

Then yeah, TB.

Make CD's align to TB, not TB align to CD's.

Unless you'll lose a cast from delaying your CD's an extra bit.

[strange python]

and vanish is careless for tb !

[autumn girder]

ok so i still need to fix my opener 😄 ty guys

[strange python]

in subt. setups

[rigid mango]

Vanish matters for vend though

And you want vend with TB

Sooo.

You should essentially be aligning them anyways.

[honest basin]

Did anyone had a bug on raidbots that said "one of your gear slots is empty or has an empty item in it" when every item is where it should be ?

[rigid mango]

Sounds like #wow-general

[honest basin]

true true

[near apex]

Just for entertainment tho I am quite sceptical about it myself,if you run vision major,the minor will put vendetta to 1.5 min cd maybe less with more lvls on the HoA so in theory you get more empowered vendettas,although the vanish desync will be quite bad

[rigid mango]

You lose dps from desyncing them

It's just bad, unless something new arises I don't see them ever being good.

[near apex]

Can hemorhage sort that?

[rigid mango]

Exsang?

[near apex]

Aye

[rigid mango]

If vanish was on 1.5m cd

Yeah

But it's not, so it sucks.

especially thanks to the trinkets that we have, aligning everything to 2 min is just better

[near apex]

For 8.3 trinkets we should use ra-dens ? Which are proc based

So it shouldn’t matter much

[rigid mango]

Might just be using font coral

(:

Especially on prog it's really good so

[near apex]

RIP

[storm lodge]

hey guys, thanks a lot for the help yesterday - i was trying out my rotation and the changes really helped, but I have some follow up questions... i think until i get more practice i'll end up making mistakes, so i wanted to know in terms of priority, which of these is the most important (in order) so i can focus on those the most

1. bleed uptime (garrote + rupture)
2. maximize tb casts (and envenom during)
3. syncing vanish and vendetta
4. tb window inside vendetta
5. wasting cps by mut at 4

want to know which of these has the greatest impact on dps

[near apex]

1>5>3

[storm lodge]

oh wow..bleed uptime is that important?

[shut garnet]

i mean

depends what u mean by that

[dire spoke]

bleed == energy

[near apex]

Energy regen

[shut garnet]

are u just letting it drop off by 0.5 s

or are u just missing pandemic

[storm lodge]

a second or two actually

[dire spoke]

refresh rupture around 7.2s, garrote around 5.4s

[robust light]

You should focus on doing all of that at the same time tbh

[storm lodge]

oh yeah for sure..ill def try that, but i wanted to know which ones to absolutely focus on in the list..hence my question about priority and impact on dps

[robust light]

Just smack a target dummy for an hour and the rotation will soon become easy

[shut garnet]

though, the vanish and vendetta sync shouldnt be like

idk

"priority"

like you should just do it properly in opener

[storm lodge]

yeah my opener is good...its only durign the rotation..especially when i have to deal with mechanics 😦

[robust light]

Well what are you messing up most often

[storm lodge]

like...how important is it to dot ashvane a few secodns ebfore arcing azerite in case i get it

[quasi pewter]

as long as you know what you should be doing, you just need practice

[dire spoke]

it's more punishing when you smash buttons rather than stay at max cp for a few seconds

[robust light]

If blleds are falling off, track them better so you will notice them ticking low

[storm lodge]

i usually try to envenom and assume i can put back bleeds once i get back to her

[shut garnet]

if you have to reapply bleeds a bit before pandemic because you have to do mechanics thatd otherwise cause your bleeds to run out

then by all means that is the right play

[near apex]

1 good thing you can practice,before you move away from the boss ,refresh your bleeds

[strange python]

Is Vendetta on the gcd now? Not ingame, can't check

[storm lodge]

yeah...gcd

[strange python]

Kk, ty

[storm lodge]

@robust light regarding what im messing up most often, my last parse had 30 cps wasted and 90% garrote uptime which are both bad..but i guess i want to know which is impacting me worse...i also missed one vendetta because i saved them both for her shielf break, but apparently according to the timings i could have cast vendetta 3 times (instead of 2)..although im not sure where i would have fit in the 3rd one because raid leader said to save cds for shield break

[robust light]

Saving CDs and losing 1 isnt that bad

Damage where it matters is more important

[shut garnet]

well unless you're 3 shielding ashvane you should only cast vendetta twice on it

lol

as shield break phases dont last 2 mins30

[dire spoke]

if you have a duty in raid you shouldn't care about the parse, those don't go well together

[storm lodge]

ah...so i guess that answers the missed vendetta question

[robust light]

@storm lodge are you using weakauras? If so, have one remind you that your bleeds are falling off soon. Bounce or flash etc when they reach pandemic. That way u can focus on other stuff and then apply bleeds again when you see the wa

[storm lodge]

i'm using it, but i think i instinctively try toget in an envenom and then do bleeds again after 2-3 seconds..i just dont know how bad that is i guess

[dire spoke]

if you crop the fight timeline down to the shield break phase and your output isn't good, that's a problem. Overall dps aka parse doesn't mean anything

[shut garnet]

just try prioritising hitting pandemic consistently

[storm lodge]

kk!

[shut garnet]

that way not only do your bleeds not run out, but you'll get used to refreshing them before a TB window also so you dont have to awkwardly miss an empowered envenom because your rupture is running out whilst having tb buff still up

[storm lodge]

that makes sense

i guess the wasting cps thing is some misconception i have about a 4cp rupture/envenom being worse than a 5cp one

[shut garnet]

well they are worse, but it's still better than going mutilate -> wasting 1(potentially 2 ) cp to get to the 5 mark

[storm lodge]

ah

[shut garnet]

the 7.2s for rup pandemic is for applying 5 cp ruptures

i think the 4cp one is like 11s or something?

[vast forum]

4cp is 6s pandemic

[shut garnet]

there y'go

[storm lodge]

im using the luxthos wa...i think it flashes at 7 seconds regardless of 4/5

[dire spoke]

you can't track CP with a standard WA, it needs a custom function

[storm lodge]

ah

[dire spoke]

there are some

[storm lodge]

one more q...tb at 5 cp is ok?

[shut garnet]

yes

[storm lodge]

kk

[shut garnet]

it's fine to waste that cp

[dire spoke]

just pool and sit on your shits, if you mostly only do 2 env it's not very good

[shut garnet]

basically the tb rule is you always cast it on cd to not miss casts

[storm lodge]

ah

[shut garnet]

and ideally, you wanna refresh your bleeds and be pooling at 4-5CP till around 120ish energy before you TB comes off cd

that way you can guarantee get 3 envenoms in your tb window

potentially 4 depending on how lucky you are with your crits

[storm lodge]

thats actually helpful...i'll try and practice that

[shut garnet]

at the start it'll feel like you're losing dps or wasting time but it's very good practice

[storm lodge]

by refresh bleeds, you mean in pandemic right? not too early?

[shut garnet]

and definitely not dps loss

[storm lodge]

or is it ok to garrote a few seconds before if i see tb coming off cd

[dire spoke]

you can use garrote while TB

just not rupture

[true nexus]

damn it kinda sucks theres no way to get echoing blades properly with my current azerite

[storm lodge]

ah!

thats very helpful

[dire spoke]

it provides a CP if you get 3

[storm lodge]

i assumed only mut

[shut garnet]

mut gets the most value if you run double dose

as it's good to use mutilate in envenom windows

[storm lodge]

yeah i have 3xdd

[shut garnet]

so yeah mutilate is better to cast during there and preferablty you shouldnt cast garrotes afaik, but it's not like that bad

its really minor

[storm lodge]

kk!

[true nexus]

from the pins, is it not worth doin a fourth garrote

to put it on cd

[storm lodge]

you mean a garrote at 4 cps ?

[true nexus]

just on the opener i usually just do the 3 empowered garrotes and a 1 that isnt

just so its on more people

mobs

[storm lodge]

ah sorry...i assumed you were talking about something else

[dire spoke]

subterfuge is three seconds which provides three empowered bleeds

[shut garnet]

it isnt no

[dire spoke]

other sources do more damage than that mini garrote

[shut garnet]

just g g g rup or whatever you're talented into

non empowered garrote is a waste of a cast

on packs ofc

[true nexus]

interesting

[dire spoke]

given you are running SS traits aswell

[true nexus]

3x ss 3x ttk unfortunate

i could drop ss+ttk for one eb+ loyal/scent

[shut garnet]

thats pretty monkaS dude

[urban junco]

Got Cephalohide the last week of current patch. Feelsbadman.

[true nexus]

there was a point where i was j ust scrapping everything to get outlaw bis

so i probably skipped hella sin bis stuff

so now im stuck with bad sin stuff

[dire spoke]

do you have residuum, you can get the items back

[mint echo]

guys, how do i use coral? only stack it with vendetta?

[quasi pewter]

do you have font and coral or only coral

[mint echo]

only coral for now

[quasi pewter]

then just start stacking it at pull

and use with vendetta

[mint echo]

thx, sensei

[candid anvil]

hey there, gotta ask, in m+ would you use this 445 titanforged trash or 430 dead-eye spyglass and 430 razor coral?

[rigid mango]

That one isn't totally trash

[candid anvil]

ikr but agi is just not really good stat for sin, is it..

[rigid mango]

For aoe it's pretty aight.

[candid anvil]

well.. now I'm not sure what to use

I like to have low ilvl bis, its satisfying to have 10k more dps than ppl having 10ilvl more but it's kinda nonsense in higher keys I guess lulz

[royal lantern]

you want higher ilvl gear for really high keys cus of armor/hp too

[candid anvil]

atm I'm running 17s with 435 overall and it's not that bad

actually didn't get the answer, so do you think the trink will outperform one of the 430s I use?

[vernal flume]

test it out, but I'd guess probably not

[pearl pagoda]

finally got a mythic corral...in the last week kek

[cobalt pelican]

just in time for the next raid

hold it dear

[pearl pagoda]

new trinkets seem really fucking bland besides the aoe on use one for m+

the dragonshard trinket seems weak as fuck unless its like 100% uptime and even then seems kinda meh

[hushed maple]

Hey guys. What do I actually do, when I get the unique ability silence on Court?

Multilate and throw a knife?

[rustic flare]

The titanshard trinkets seem really cool as long as you're in nyalotha

[pearl pagoda]

as long as youre in nyalotha?

[quasi pewter]

@hushed maple you can kick, evasion, tricks or use detection inbetween

[rustic flare]

They only proc if youre in nyalotha

[hushed maple]

thanks

[pearl pagoda]

ah rly?

[quasi pewter]

also step or sprint should work too i believe

[pearl pagoda]

OH the set bonus

i never really read the tankish trinket

so its kinda like that crucible item where you gotta keep your shield up for the fat buff

coolio

[rustic flare]

Yeh, i figure 17k agility is a pretty decent proc. I dont know for certain if the proc rate is good or not though

[pearl pagoda]

ait holy fuck nuggets 17k

AT 430

[quasi pewter]

its not 17k

[pearl pagoda]

i thought that seemed fucked

that would have to be like

.01PPM lol

that would triple my current agi

[hushed maple]

its 17.297k

Kappa

[rustic flare]

What a pity lol

[quasi pewter]

this is it on ptr

[rustic flare]

Thats not much

[hushed maple]

not at all

[quasi pewter]

but the value doesnt change between difficulties

so could be wrong

but its def. not 17k lol

[hushed maple]

17k would be nice, tho

[pearl pagoda]

i mean even 1k agi on a good ppm is good enough fro a set bonus

[rustic flare]

I mean the regular proc is nice but the set is meh lol

[hushed maple]

10/10 would use again

[pearl pagoda]

the crit and haste proc are strong enough

[drifting cloud]

thats literally feelcraft

[rustic flare]

Thats true, probably sim decently like the mechagon rings

[shrewd iron]

Does anyone got any time to look at what I can improve on this boss please? 🙂

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3gT9Y6DChK2r7Mjb/#fight=5&type=damage-done&source=23

[drifting cloud]

and also why nobody is bothering with sims because in the past stuff has launched with totally different numbers

[pearl pagoda]

i mean feelcraft is all we can do currently and i think we all know its feelcrafty. we're just assuming the unknown factors are going to be within reason. the current numbers (besides the 17k agi) are reasonable enough

[drifting cloud]

yeah but it doesnt mean anything if you dont know the ppm

[quasi pewter]

@shrewd iron honestly cant find anything major wrong

ur doing well

[drifting cloud]

and people just undervalue how truly broken palace trinkets are

[rustic flare]

If it sounds to good to be true, the fun detectors at blizz will go off

[shrewd iron]

@quasi pewter Thank you 🙂

[pearl pagoda]

i seriously doubt coral and font are going to outshine heroic/mythic Nyalotha trinkets espcially if you get something corrupted

[drifting cloud]

corruption is irrelevant

you cant have it on every item

so it doesnt matter if the trinket has it or not

coral/font can forge, these cant

[rustic flare]

You can burn it off for a socket though i thought

[quasi pewter]

i think u didnt channel ur font full 4s if i see correctly @shrewd iron

at 2 mins

[shrewd iron]

yes I was knocked back by the boss I should have been able to dodge it

Wasn't paying attention when her next cast was going to be

[quasi pewter]

oh and 2nd pot too late

[agile tulip]

hey, in a raid with ST traits how many dots is it worth putting up to increase ST?

[gusty mirage]

keep your bleeds up on ST

[meager granite]

Funny how again outlaw get almost all their BIS azerite for m+ in the new raid whil assa get nothing

[gusty mirage]

with max pandemic time if possible

[quasi pewter]

also very minor but your last finisher is a full cp rupture and boss dies 2s after

shouldve just envenomed when boss is about to die anyway

[shrewd iron]

Yeah I noticed it too late

@ the pot

[real star]

Anyone got to test some Ny’alotha bosses? What rogue spec seems to be the go-to for the majority of bosses?

[shrewd iron]

Thank you for the feedback tho @quasi pewter 🙂

[drifting cloud]

assa @real star

[quasi pewter]

also ur wasting some energy

not much but it should be 0

ideally

and ur welcome

[pearl pagoda]

i hope outla isnt the go to got n'zoth

[brave vector]

@candid anvil regarding your trinket question, spyglass outsims azerokks for me by about 375 dps at equal item levels, if yours is 20ilvls ahead of your spyglass the heart is about equal if not pulling ahead. But that’s just based off my own sims

[candid anvil]

and how did you sim it? hectic add cleave?

ree, I meant, dungeon slice?

[brave vector]

Fuus script

[storm lodge]

is the higher ilvl alchemist stone from 8.3 any good for assassination rogues? atleast until something better comes along? currently running 430 font and coral

[cobalt pelican]

doubt the higher ilvl alch trinket beats either tep trinket at 430

[storm lodge]

ah..guessed as much... was wondering if i should save up explusom for it

[cobalt pelican]

save up expulsom regardless

[gusty mirage]

^

[cobalt pelican]

you never know what the future holds

[storm lodge]

true

[gusty mirage]

never bad to have options

[brave vector]

Honestly if your trinkets are coral, spyglass, and azerokks I’d just use spyglass and azerokks cause coral is annoying in m+ imo

[drifting cloud]

well by that logic you might aswell play outlaw since assa is more annoying than outlaw in m+ 😄

[gusty mirage]

I mean I don't run coral outside of tyran weeks

[candid anvil]

I have like 8 or 9 trinkets, all 430 cuz why not, and I'm pretty used to using coral

[gusty mirage]

but my coral is only 430 and my spyglass is 445

so your mileage may vary

[drifting cloud]

whats your other trinket?

[gusty mirage]

455 dice

[drifting cloud]

yeah seems resonable

[pearl pagoda]

bruh.exe

[sinful island]

Whats BoTE?

[gusty mirage]

blood of the enemy, the honor essence

[sinful island]

oh thanks!

[candid anvil]

You think it will stay bis in next patch? I still don't have it.. damn hate pvp

[brave vector]

It’s probably a contender

[gusty mirage]

honestly you'll want at least the minor even if you switch to one of the other essences as major

[drifting cloud]

blood minor is the worst part of the essence

[pearl pagoda]

i think blood ill be the first contended to take CLFs place after the nerfs

[brave vector]

It’s bg week, farm it now, a 5 man group in Normal bgs should be able to get it done this week

[drifting cloud]

no way it becomes one of the 3 we use

[sinful island]

What 3 do we use?

[pearl pagoda]

yeah blood minor is kinda memey

[drifting cloud]

wv and pp beat is easily, probably even others

[storm lodge]

wv and pp beat bote ?

or clf ?

[drifting cloud]

in minor

[gusty mirage]

new worldvein has a chance to beat a lot of things I think

[storm lodge]

ah i see

[gusty mirage]

but we'll see how that plays out

[drifting cloud]

and theres almost a 100% chance we use one of the new ones

[pearl pagoda]

deaths breath seems like a good replacement for flame at rank 3

yeah

[storm lodge]

weird...i sim focusing and memory as best minor for single target right now

[drifting cloud]

just because of the passive corruption, we just have no clue what slot yet

[gusty mirage]

I've been dabbling with blood minor with reaping flames major on ptr and the extra crit helps a lot

[drifting cloud]

also they seem good

[pearl pagoda]

i wish the inspiration essence is what we all run in raid

[gusty mirage]

reaping flames if you can chain it properly for optimal usage is a big ST buff if it goes live as is

[pearl pagoda]

could be really fun having a 1 minute cd blood

[storm lodge]

is vision a contender at all?

for any of the slots?

[pearl pagoda]

fuuuuuuck no

its a dps loss

[storm lodge]

oh!

[drifting cloud]

no because of vanish

[pearl pagoda]

it ruins your vanish vendetta combo

[sinful island]

What essences should I use for m+ mostly? (Don't really raid that much)

[storm lodge]

is it ebcause it desyncs from vanish?

ah kk

[pearl pagoda]

yeah

[gusty mirage]

bote major, lucid minor, and I run c&s in the other slot

[dusk harness]

Anyone know of a rupture/garrote WA with pandemic?

[brave vector]

Search rogue bleeds on wago

[sinful island]

BotE is only rank 1 with me - anything else I can use? I use Lucid in major now.

[brave vector]

Pretty much all of them have some sort of pandemic reminder built in

[drifting cloud]

use iris if you dont have bote

[pearl pagoda]

CLF or lucid is a decent major

[candid anvil]

and what minors are good with iris

[drifting cloud]

same minors

[candid anvil]

bote rank 2 for crit?

[gusty mirage]

you want rank 3 bote

for the crit dmg increase

[storm lodge]

as major?

[pearl pagoda]

rank 3 is the only time to use bote

[candid anvil]

but if you dont have it rank 3 and use iris

[pearl pagoda]

as major

[brave vector]

For iris major it’s lucid minor with either CnS or pp

[candid anvil]

then what minors would be best

[storm lodge]

oh interesting..i thoguth the meme beam would be more

[pearl pagoda]

lucid minor is almost 100%

i dont know if you even take it off for pvp lol

[drifting cloud]

you dont

[gusty mirage]

nah lucid minor is always 100%

even in pvp

[pearl pagoda]

C&S is strong as well

[brave vector]

Your third minor will be most likely strife or PP

[drifting cloud]

or vop

[brave vector]

Selis been using vop

[gusty mirage]

vop minor is strong for m+ too

[candid anvil]

lucid for m+? for real? you don't need energy regen there

[sinful island]

PP or VoP? Now I run with Iris major, memory minor and PP or VoP for other?

[drifting cloud]

lucid does more than just energy regen

[gusty mirage]

the vers is nice

[drifting cloud]

and its just super broken

[gusty mirage]

^

[sinful island]

We still stack 3 SS or is it the FoK trait x3 now?

[candid anvil]

both

[gusty mirage]

both ideally

[sinful island]

Not one "nothing personal"?

I've been using that for ages.

[gusty mirage]

morningwind's been messing around with 1 NP, it's not a bad trait to have but the ideal set up for m+ 'sin is 3x SS 3xEB

[candid anvil]

not rly for m+, even ttk is better than np i'd say

[sinful island]

Oh wow

[pearl pagoda]

i could see 1NP for SOME TYR situations

[drifting cloud]

1 np isnt the worst

[pearl pagoda]

but morning is better than i am so idk

[drifting cloud]

its just hard to get bis azerite for assa

[gusty mirage]

I run 2x SS, 2x EB, 1x TTK, 1x NP but thats because my vendor rng has been trash

😦

[pearl pagoda]

i man the only bas trait there is the 1 NP and as logn as youre finding a mob to pop vendetta on cd i can see it not being horrible?

[candid anvil]

lulz, i rather used 415 azerite piece with bis traits than higher ilvl with shitty traits

recently upgraded all to 430 with bis traits 😄

[brave vector]

There’s just better stuff out there than 1np in m+ for non niche situations

Like another shrouded or eb will most likely always be better

[pearl pagoda]

yeah

[gusty mirage]

I mean at the end of the day as long as you have at least 2x SS and 2x EB you'll be fine up to the 15-17 range

[ripe gulch]

hey guys

[gusty mirage]

anything higher you'll need to maximize your deeps

[drifting cloud]

way higher than that

[pearl pagoda]

unless youre in a pug and youre tank doesnt understand what a rogue is

[ripe gulch]

so i saw the best sin eu using crimson tempest