assassination

[scarlet sequoia]

fk it

[arctic walrus]

You could also benefi from cleave on that fight

Yeah raz already planning his set for next raid

[worldly iron]

raz oh no you will break the already fragile balance

"wait so ss is bis? ok i go ss for everything"

[arctic walrus]

I’ll try it out on Tuesday

[scarlet sequoia]

ye u have nothing to lose i guess

let me know how it is

😉

[tropic ocean]

sivara top logs are cuz they have 60%+ crit

thats it

[arctic walrus]

Just check the top log by Tuesday night

[cobalt pelican]

i did some 2min sims for heroic randomly a couple weeks ago and ss wasn't really better than my normal gear

i think there was 1 gear combo kinda close to my normal raid gear except 1ss subterfuge but it was still behind a little

[icy lantern]

hey guys, I am a complete noob when it comes to rogues and i am not quite sure what spec to play, I love fast paced gameplay, do you have a tip for me what spec is currently the "best" for PvE?

[scarlet sequoia]

yeah

[arctic walrus]

I do

[polar cape]

Its a secret tough

[hollow cloak]

@scarlet sequoia troll wtf

[strange python]

no bias in here

[distant lava]

Fast pace is outlaw

[scarlet sequoia]

i went belf again dont worry @hollow cloak

[arctic walrus]

Good use of money

[hollow cloak]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/a1Pvo3k1g2spugQ9K6G8Ht

hmm

[scarlet sequoia]

dont do it, you'll regret it

they looked fking dumb

[arctic walrus]

Lmao of course they do

[hollow cloak]

yea

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9f9hDPBJBvLcgkp1LPYTKd

well isnt so big difference

[arctic walrus]

Smh yinzen better than me too now

[hollow cloak]

@arctic walrus 🙂

still shit logs at court and azshara :/

[arctic walrus]

They grow up so fast

[summer adder]

SS is op

[marble hemlock]

wouldnt even call it op

compared to other classes top azerite

[summer adder]

subterfuge is op*

woops

[ember rover]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/febdGQb9n5BdjS3LvKxynJ

Yinze, we have almost same gear except you got higher Azshara trinket.

And that is literally friggin 1k DPS

[vestal wren]

ss has low downsides

if thats op or not is discussable

[marble hemlock]

its very situational

compared to other classes bis dps traits, esp for m+, which are solid in all situations

[vestal wren]

its a trick of all trades trait that sitll manages to be one of the if not strongest traits

that could be seen as "to strong"

[hollow cloak]

@ember rover 😉

[vestal wren]

i am not sure how easy it is to compare azerite cross classes/specs as tuning is "with azerite"
so a class with "weak" azerite traits relative to the specs strength can be as good as a weaker tuned spec with very strong ones.

[bright tusk]

What's the rotation on trash in m+ with 2 or 3 ss traits?
And how does it change when I want to use blood of the enemy?

[arctic walrus]

Get 4 bleeds up pop blood and fork/env spam

[bright tusk]

4 Garrote and then straight to FoK/env, no rupture?
Or do you mean bleeds as in rupture?

[arctic walrus]

Bleeds. 3 garrotes 1 rupture

Once garrotes fall off then it’s 4 ruptures

[bright tusk]

When I want to use bote, I do it before or after garrotes?

[hidden bay]

U garrote 3, rupture 1 then bote and spam Fok

[arctic walrus]

After your bleeds

[rancid bobcat]

azshara transitions to p4 after all 3 ward adds die, not at any specific % right

[hidden bay]

50%

[rancid bobcat]

o

but she transitions anyway after all 3 die right

[hidden bay]

Or all 3 sirens

Yes

U Wand to have her as close to 50 as possible and kill the last add

[rancid bobcat]

yeah my guild is doing too much damage to the add or something

last add

[hidden bay]

If u go under 50 and the siren is alive the add will enrage

[rancid bobcat]

the add has a timed enrage too right

or is it just into p4

[hidden bay]

Hm

Should only be p4

Havent seen anything else

[vast forum]

there is time too

[rancid bobcat]

whats it called

berserk

aight

[fathom wyvern]

so i have bracers/feet/belt benthic what other am i missing?

[vast forum]

gloves

but azshara gloves are better if you get them at high enough ilvl

[fathom wyvern]

got 455 with socket tho...

[vast forum]

sim 🤷

[rancid bobcat]

455 socket azshara gloves

those are definitely better than benthic

im fairly sure

[fathom wyvern]

nono not ashara gloves

455 haste vers gloves with socket

[verbal knot]

Yeah, I have 455 with a socket Azshara gloves and they sim 300 DPS better than benthic socket gloves at max

[vital walrus]

i'm new to ass is there someone i can watch to learn? i know there's a written guide but i'm more of a visual learner

[arctic walrus]

Dratnos might have some

[burnt dome]

Are you looking to learn M+ or raid or both?

[modest tendon]

Just watch streams

It’s what I do

[foggy valley]

M+ for me please

[modest tendon]

Then ask questions here lol

[burnt dome]

can recommend morningwind & seliathan as streams, they're the top assa m+ players

selia is https://www.twitch.tv/incarnated/
morning is https://www.twitch.tv/morningbryg
and otherwise just check #rogue-streamers

[vital walrus]

yeah i need both

i play another class this is the first time i touch assassin, i leveled as outlaw so xd

[young portal]

I watch Seli for m+ and Raz for raiding, both stream

[vital walrus]

ty

[arctic walrus]

Raz

[foggy valley]

Nice, thank you

[timber meadow]

with 2 EB and 0 ss am I still going ma for M+?

[scarlet sequoia]

no, youre probably going outlaw tbh

[timber meadow]

well yeah

that's what ive done all season but just playin assa cause i cant afford to respec

lol

[rigid mango]

no ss = no play sin

ez pez

[timber meadow]

ugh i know

lol

i literally cant play outlaw right now

just tryin to make the best of what i got right now while i wait for reforge costs to drop

would it be worth just goin heroic azerite for the ss traits?

probably

yeah

[rigid mango]

Yes

[sudden schooner]

Wut, there is a Raz stream?

[scarlet sequoia]

there is once a week

[wooden orchid]

does garrote/rupture benefit from master assasin?

[arctic walrus]

yeah

[wooden orchid]

how so? does the crit benefit snapshot on the bleeds?

[rigid mango]

Huh?

They just crit more often

[arctic walrus]

for those 3 seconds

[wooden orchid]

i meant outside the 3 seconds my bad

[rigid mango]

Then no

[arctic walrus]

Then no

[wooden orchid]

so its better to always Mutliate -> Rupture -> Mutilate

than Mut -> Rupture - > garrote

during MA window

[rigid mango]

Mut rup mut gar or mut mut rup gar mut if you don't crit

[arctic walrus]

And that's only opener

[wooden orchid]

kk

[upbeat hazel]

starting azshara prog, can someone tell me why bote is used and when its used?

[distant lava]

cause you have it up every vendetta, so better for burst every 2 mins

and you just use it with vendetta

[marble hemlock]

1st one on pull with vendetta or on 1st hulk
2nd with vendetta on beginning of p2 to blast azshara
3rd one on first tidemistress
4th one on 3rd tidemistress if you struggle with dps in p3, otherwise hold it for boss burn at beginning of p4
5th one as vendetta comes back up

[upbeat hazel]

tyvm

[fathom wyvern]

best timings for zaqul with vop minor??

[rigid mango]

Huh?

[fathom wyvern]

for vendetta

[rigid mango]

Depends on your strats

burn/hold and if you're killing before 2nd echo

and or which deliriums you're assigned to

[fathom wyvern]

you can actually kill the boss before 2nd echo?

[rigid mango]

Yeah that's standard for decent reclear guilds now

[fathom wyvern]

so you only get 1 delerium realm with the ad?

[rigid mango]

Yep

[fathom wyvern]

what is better for progress if we just reached the boss?

[rigid mango]

I mean you won't be hitting that dps check most likely so

I prefer doing burn strat myself

[honest needle]

are top players really using feint in raid ? i feel cookies, healing pot is enough if im having to use feint its a healing issue

I dont like wasting my energy n global for feint

[fathom wyvern]

yes, esp on hard hitting abilities

and especially on progress

[honest needle]

cause when im lookin at top people i dont see them using feint at all

[fathom wyvern]

where do you look at top ppl, highest dmg logs?

[honest needle]

is there a site that tells us what bosses and abilties we should feint on

[fathom wyvern]

those are padded... they arent the top players

common sense 😄 shit hits hard = feint

massdispell fears on zaqul for example

[lethal heart]

no

you base it on experience

whether something is feintable or not

[fathom wyvern]

i just said an example

[lethal heart]

true

but some things 'should be' feintable

[fathom wyvern]

but saying top ppl dont feint is stupid... ofc they do

[lethal heart]

and they arent

pure rng

ofc top log wont have any feint used probably

because its dps loss

and top log has minimized dps losses xd

[fathom wyvern]

ye, and top logs are usually padded

[lethal heart]

to certain extent maybe

[tropic ocean]

😂😂😂

[lethal heart]

but yea people use feint

[tropic ocean]

raz big padder

Stillitz too

[fathom wyvern]

i said usually

[lethal heart]

they have good kill timers + play good

[fathom wyvern]

not all

[lethal heart]

its kind of hard to pad as assa

honestly

unless its orgozoa

and you play

triple eb

[fathom wyvern]

ye its not like sp or something

[lethal heart]

so yea obv 😄

[fathom wyvern]

or zaqul 😛

[lethal heart]

ye zaqul true

[distant lava]

I mean on zaqul you can

just slap tb vend on adds

[tropic ocean]

Unless u play eb theres no real pad in zaqul too

All shit needs to die

[lethal heart]

i mean

eh

when i was padding on zaqul

i was legit

bte sniping mobs

as they spawned you know

[plain moon]

Generally i'll end up feinting a lot during prog then during farm i'm greedy and dont use it

[lethal heart]

but its on farm and idk

just boring boss af anyway

at this boss

[tropic ocean]

how does sin bte

[distant lava]

[lethal heart]

not as sin

but as outlaw

obv

you can do same as sin

just wait with 5 cp envenom

[distant lava]

cause you can't focus the adds instead of zaqul

[lethal heart]

insta snipe

or hold blood or w/e pad essence

i guess

meme beam probably best to pad

[plain moon]

mfd all the adds Pog

[tropic ocean]

I mean if you do that youre pretty stupid

[scarlet sequoia]

imagine feinting on farm bosses

[arctic walrus]

^

[rigid mango]

imagine feinting on farm bosses

[lethal heart]

i thought same

and i suddenly died

on zaqul

[tropic ocean]

Feinting rips your healers log

[lethal heart]

even with all the gear

[tropic ocean]

Be a teamplayer

[lethal heart]

probably wasnt topped tho

[rigid mango]

I feint on one manic dread

[lethal heart]

[rigid mango]

on zaq

the first one after transition I feint

[lethal heart]

ye

i mean thats the only one besides p1's one

that you have to take

if you're doing delirium

right?

or did i forget one

[tropic ocean]

? Theres 2 before first delirium

and then one more

If u go in echo

[rigid mango]

Nah there's only one that you get hit by

[scarlet sequoia]

wtf is your kill timer then

10 min or what

[rigid mango]

You only get hit by first one

[lethal heart]

in thory you get 2 before 1st delirium

but they're in p1

[rigid mango]

By the time 2nd one rolls in you're not there

[lethal heart]

if you're doing slow strat

then you go delirium

there is one when you're in 1st delirium

[rigid mango]

yeh

[lethal heart]

you go out you get 2nd delirium

[rigid mango]

you come up and it's already been done

[lethal heart]

after 50% you get 1

that you take damage from

[rigid mango]

50% is the only manic you take damage from atleast

rest is only normal dreads

[lethal heart]

you do 1st echo of delirium/fear they get fears, you go out after fears

i guess you skip 1 p1 fears if you do no afk s trat

[rigid mango]

AFK strat

in total I get hit by 2 dreads 1 manic

[lethal heart]

ye man afk strat memes

[rigid mango]

[lethal heart]

@gusty kestrel

not afk when you hit adds that have to die

[fathom wyvern]

how much hp does the echo add have in delerium?

ok

[lethal heart]

wdym

im gonna play sub next reset mayube

need to spice things up

[rigid mango]

6.16mil to be exact

[bright tusk]

In a 1% wipe on Ashvine where I'm holding all long cooldowns for our 2 burnphases I would have ended up in 71st percentile if she died.
Do you think that's ok considering I have to hold literally all CD's except toxic blade? I even save all my "razor coral" stacks until second burnphase.

[rigid mango]

What do you define as ok?

[bright tusk]

I dunno, I guess I wanna know how much I can improve with the "restrictions" I have. I have logs, but I dunno if someone is willing to look

[rigid mango]

You shouldn't lose much from holding anyways

But link away, I'll take a look

[bright tusk]

Is it allowed in here?

[meager nebula]

yes

[rigid mango]

Ofc it is

If you're not comfortable with here

[bright tusk]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/MtBr6xC4RQ3d2ajD/#type=damage-done&options=512&fight=17&source=1

Idc, just wanna improve

[rigid mango]

If I'll minmax you, you should open with mut as per usual

[bright tusk]

Damn, so I had no idea about that for example.

[rigid mango]

if your first mut gives you 4 CP
Mut
Rup
Mut
Gar
if your first mut doesn't give 4 CP
Mut
Mut
Rup
Gar
Mut

You used CLF before she phased, and you didn't use vanish with your vend

You should be aiming to go vend > tb > vanish and pump envenoms as hard as possible with your CD's

[bright tusk]

Yeah we all use clf on RL call.
Vanish mistake I'll take with me

Ok, vendetta, tb, vanish, env
Guess I do mutilate after vanish, I think I've been doing garrote

[rigid mango]

A lot of your TB windows are only 1 env windows

Wdym muti after vanish?

[bright tusk]

Garrote or mutilate after I use vanish

[rigid mango]

Should always be CLF > vend instead of vend > CLF

to not waste vend

[lean coral]

evenom after vanish

[rigid mango]

There's no reason to garrote

You want to be envenoming and building with muti

When you're in the MA window

[bright tusk]

Oh, I need to write all these things down. I'm doing all kinds of things wrong

[rigid mango]

Hopefully you go env > mut > env in that window

Praying for 4 CP mut there

Which, is very easily achievable

R word is filtered

But yeah I can see what you typed

[bright tusk]

I see, I think I've done Vanish -> Garrote for some reason. Very dumb

[rigid mango]

Probably thanks to using subterfuge and shrouded earlier

You also hold all your coral stacks and then use before inkpod procs

[bright tusk]

maybe yes.
Thanks for the corrections, I have a lot more to re-learn or practice rather

[rigid mango]

If you're forced to be waiting for that long

You're better off just saving it for an extra 10-15 sec to guarantee inkpod popping in that window of increased crit

[bright tusk]

Yeah, I guess I could pop coral on first burnphase, but then I won't have 20 stacks for either phase. Which is "best"

?

[rigid mango]

As sin you don't really care about stack amount

You essentially just use it with vend, that's it

[bright tusk]

I see, then I'll use it on both burnphases from here on. Since that's when I'm allowed to use vendetta.

[rigid mango]

Yeah, that should really only be when you pop your cds ofc.

[bright tusk]

Okay thanks, I have a lot to work on.
Very very thankful!

[rigid mango]

Np always here to help

[bright tusk]

last thing, your opener
"if your first mut gives you 4 CP
Mut
Rup
Mut
Gar
if your first mut doesn't give 4 CP
Mut
Mut
Rup
Gar
Mut"

I do toxic blade straight after either of those scenarios and try get more envenoms into the TB window?

[rigid mango]

Your opener post what I typed is then

CLF
Vend
TB
Vanish
Env
Mut
etc etc

Both of the openers guarantee you to have minimum 3 CP going into TB

Since TB guarantees the 4th, you'll always be able to finish directly after

[bright tusk]

I see, thank you again. That was all 🙂

[rigid mango]

[deft nymph]

sin can use slow offhands or no

[arctic walrus]

daggers

[rigid mango]

Are you asking if we can use non-daggers?

[deft nymph]

damn thought someone said you could

or is that sub?

[arctic walrus]

sub

yes

[rigid mango]

Sub can

But it's not good for them either iirc

[deft nymph]

was thinking of crawg oh

[rigid mango]

🤷 I'd recommend asking #subtlety

[arctic walrus]

tusk/folly probably okay for them. But it takes like 10-15 ilvls for regular shit to be worth

[deft nymph]

well i'm not playin sub :p was thinking of it for sin

but alas, just pokers

[cunning urchin]

how can I be a padlord on zac

3x eb?

[plain moon]

I'm having problems living in del from first split into 2nd split. Any idea of what I could be doing wrong. Im cloaking around 6ish stacks

[arctic walrus]

You aren't supposed to live all the way from first to 2nd

you come out like 10s after killing the first add

Then go down after like 30s

[plain moon]

Do you purposely go out 10sec after or if you can live a bit longer just stay till kicked out

[arctic walrus]

you basically have to force yourself out depending on how healthy you are

Because you want to time it with the other group coming out as well

so they can dispell/heal you

[drifting cloud]

yeah after dark passage is cast you can go out shortly after

since thats when your raid should be coming up

[iron scarab]

Very new to rogues. Was wondering best place to analyze logs is at? looked at wowanalyzer and compared some logs of top parsers but wondering if you guys have any log analysis channel for assassin?

[arctic walrus]

This one

link something you want reviewed

[iron scarab]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/C8b9ydpVJmzZwN6c/#fight=last&type=casts&source=14&view=timeline

[arctic walrus]

no lucid 3
horrible azerite
not full benthic
font/coral
mut > rupt > mut or mut > mut > rupt (if not 4cp)
vanish > env not vanish > tb
very high energy, pool for tb or when bleeds+env buff up

Your group

is just really bad too

[drifting cloud]

isnt vanish tb env/mut acceptable? atleast I remember it used to be in bod

[iron scarab]

yeah, gear part is wip, thanks tho, just want to try and get close to my sim - was simming 35k, parsing 30 (this was a complete pug...my toon is 1 week old)

[arctic walrus]

you get the potential of 1 extra env in the ma window

env mut env, if it crits

think with ttk/dd tb damage is < than both env or mut

you can practice more in normals/heroics

[timber meadow]

yeah if you get all crit muts you can nab the quadra envenom i think

[timber meadow]

so question about pooling cause it's something I fuck up a lot like im playing around way too high of energy but as long as one isn't overcapping, is there an actual dps loss strictly from pooling?

I guess part of my thought process is like if i can pool such that i can like evenom-mut-mut without overcapping

isn't that better than being starved and like having to envenum

pause

maybne get one mut

I know im wrong but im just tryna figure it out so i understand how to play assa more

[fervent jasper]

@timber meadow the idea is if you spend 170 energy, it doesnt matter how spread our your abilities are. So, you may as well spend that energy close together inside of TB to get the damage buff, tather than pressing every mut and env whenever you have the energy to do so and be energy starved inside TB

[timber meadow]

I think I understand that piece

my issue is on the other end of the spectrum I think

if im understanding your comment

more outside of tb windows

[arctic walrus]

Inside tb just expend all your energy. Outside of tb, your main concern is auto attacks and envenom windows

[timber meadow]

yup

[fervent jasper]

Oh, even still as long as your spending the energy you generate it shouldn't matter

[timber meadow]

like im basically playing around dmg windows all the time is my understanding

[fervent jasper]

How quickly you spend it isnt really an issue because 2 muts and an env are the same energy and the same damage no matter how quickly you use them

[timber meadow]

either a vendetata window; a tb window; an envenom window

[arctic walrus]

You can sit pooling till max, but have 5 points and no envenom. That is a dps loss because you should be aiming to maintain env

[timber meadow]

but if i can land an envenom but have no energy for like a double mut followup

is that more worth than pooling to land double mut

[arctic walrus]

Also, if you pool a little before each envenom, you can get off more muts in that window, which is a direct increase of dd procs

[timber meadow]

within envenom window

okay cool

that's what i thought, so maybe im just over pooling for that

what do you typically play around?

for envenum windows

[arctic walrus]

You just have a sort of check list

If bleeds are up then

Env is your minimum buff to play around

Let’s say during lust, you have enough energy to play around ep

Assuming you don’t cap

[timber meadow]

here's a log of a non scuffed fight if it helps

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/2b8gDYqvCFnyfr19#fight=8&type=damage-done

[arctic walrus]

If you have no envenom up, it’s better to pool to ensure you get muts inside the env buff

Meh I’m on my phone, can’t really look

[timber meadow]

no worries

so like how much energy are you playing around for env window

i think im usually playing around liek 120 which is superrrr high i know im tryna bring it down but my haste is fairly low so i feel pretty starved so im like overcompensating it hink

but even with 120 i feel like im basically saving just enough to envenom double mut

[arctic walrus]

With lucid like 50-70

[timber meadow]

fuckin a okay

what's your haste?

or would that not make that big of a diff really

[arctic walrus]

What’s your energy regen

[timber meadow]

like 19.5%

[arctic walrus]

Energy per second

Like 10-11ish?

[timber meadow]

im actually not sure how to see that - just kinda been feelin it out

that would be helpful tho

to get a better idea of where i should be poolin to gfenerally

[arctic walrus]

Get deja character stats

But anyway, our haste isn’t entirely vast difference <200

[timber meadow]

i think im around 12

coo ill just try pooling more to what you mentioned like obv you're right so it prob will work a lot better

sorry for the relatively trivial question i feel like im at that point where im not making a lot of like mega obvious mistakes it's more jsut like a ton of little things like this that add up so i end up asking questions that are pretty trivial as one-offs

and yeah got the addon - my regen is 13.0

[arctic walrus]

With bleeds ticking, natural regen and outside factors like op, you’ll have enough energy for 2 muts

[timber meadow]

yeah just at a dummy it feels more than fine

[arctic walrus]

And than is absolutely worst case scenario. You’ll crit gets and there, lucid procs etc

If you envenom and 4-5 cp after 1 mut that’s when you can pool again a little

If you’ll cap before ep falls off, play around that ep. if you’re far from cap, focus on env

[timber meadow]

yup okay that makes sense

i think i was honestly just overestimating the amount of energy i needed

it's basically just like literally playing around every window

and setting them up as best as possible

and then spending as much energy within those windows

and less outside

thx for the help btw

[signal orbit]

anyone know whats a good haste point to sit at for sin?

[warped wind]

rank 1 mythic azshara ez

[hasty fiber]

gz

damn wtf you beat nukkz by 1k dps

also why focused energy instead of conflict and strife?

[tropic ocean]

Nice

Pad

[cloud sandal]

u cant be srs right aus

[warped wind]

honestly its just by feel, i use strife sometimes if not all the time on azshara but i felt like changing it up and having the extra haste felt better during downtimes when azshara was the only target, especially in final phase

[dark crag]

Do you aggressively dot everything? My best try was 6% but we play very defensively

[hidden bay]

Buff in all cooldowns. The Dream

[hidden bay]

Besides that, greeded whereever it was possible and didnt bother using feint/vial

[arctic walrus]

Rank 1 but the rest of your group is blue and below

[dark crag]

Is that even possible?

Double buff maybe

[arctic walrus]

It is when you get a 14% speed and 19% execution lmao

[dark crag]

It is indeed r1

Log is public

1 100% 2 blue rest green grey

P1 is cancer for my dps, 2 afflis and shadow multidot both adds, melees stop doing dps way before the last soaks

[dark crag]

Blood on small adds and it's ready for add no2 in my raid

[opaque kernel]

Hi guys, in terms of using my vanish cooldown effectively in raids, should I stack CP and Energy, vanish and then Rup + Mutilate with MA buff up?

[scarlet sequoia]

no

[opaque kernel]

ok thanks

[arctic walrus]

Np

[vast forum]

why would you rup in vanish?

[modest tendon]

What’s the single target opener?

[rigid mango]

With what

[modest tendon]

I should have read, you rup with subt

Not ma

[brave vector]

You rup with both?

[rigid mango]

No

You rupture in subterfuge window

oh we're talking opener

xd

[brave vector]

Opener always uses rupture within the first 3 gcds regardless of sub or MA is what I’m saying

[rigid mango]

yeah rup in both

[modest tendon]

In vanish window you don’t rup you envenom and muti

[young portal]

Well the OP was talking about vanish

[brave vector]

It always looks like either grg or mrm

[modest tendon]

On opener on both you rup

[brave vector]

Oh, the person asking about vanish usage left the second they said ok thanks

[vital walrus]

wait ur supposed to rupture during subterfuge ?

[brave vector]

Dunno anything about that, tooltip only says garrote is buffed

[modest tendon]

Single target opener for sub: garrote-rupture-garrote

Multi target opener is of course: ggg

[rigid mango]

For ST the opener is g rup g

[brave vector]

That’s only for the opener though. If you have a full rupture on someone mid fight and vanish for a sub garrote you don’t NEED to rupture in the sub window

[reef herald]

All my azerite pieces are 435 decent traits, should I save up for 445 azerite piece or just try to get better 435 traits?

[rigid mango]

ofc.

There's no reason to rupture in subt window

[brave vector]

That’s what he asked lol

“wait ur supposed to rupture during subterfuge ?”

[tough vale]

When I'm using subterfuge in a ST-situation(m+ boss for example).. I'm usually ggr. Should it be grg??

[brave vector]

Yes

[tough vale]

ggr = 1 prolonged garrote with 4cp rupture
grg = 1 prolonged garrote lasting 1 cd longer, but 3cp rupture.

Am I missing something??

[brave vector]

I THINK the reasoning is you get elaborate planning up immediately for the 10% bonus damage to garrote for 2 ticks

But there may be more to it than that

[rigid mango]

first of all, your first option would give you 5 CP and not 4

[arctic walrus]

So what if you have to reapply a rupture, there is no gain nor loss

[rigid mango]

And it's for the extended pandemic on garrote whilst not losing anything

from rupture

[arctic walrus]

You opt for the extra tick on the first garrote, as wel as the 1 second of early ep

You will also now have 3 cp to carry on your rotation

While your iteration has you at 0

Hope I’m right zine lol

[rigid mango]

Ye

[tough vale]

Make sense. I had missed EP.

Thank you

[rigid mango]

All things considered

You don't lose out on waiting for pandemic

or only doing a 3 Cp rupture

[tough vale]

So. Whatever feels you comfortable??

[rigid mango]

Huh?

[arctic walrus]

It’s wrong, and it’s worse for your damage

Maybe not huge, but it’s a simple fix

[tough vale]

I think I missunderstood your comment, cause english is second language for me.

[rigid mango]

You do gar rup gar

[dark crag]

Do g r g and be happy

[rigid mango]

every time in opener

It's just better

[tough vale]

Thank you

[strange python]

Can you somehow safely put garrote on the inactive boss on the pull in ToS first boss? i tried it but got hit once by lightning shield and for some reason the boss also meleed me. Did I do it too late or is the lightning shield actually active before the boss finishes the first lightning shield cast?

[scarlet sequoia]

focus macro works

[hazy geyser]

Why would you dot him if he will get the shield that just sounds like a bad idea

[strange python]

To do more damage?

Once the dot is on him i wont take damage from him, just wondering if i can apply it on pull without taking damage

[tropic ocean]

I think he only activates the shield after a time at pull ?

guess u can just try it in mythic 0 or hc or smth

[strange python]

Thats what I thought as well but i got one shot, I'm not sure if I was fast enough though

Yeh seems like youre right, damn tank didnt give me time to cast font and i was late

[vernal flume]

You can re-dot during the fight as well for that even with the lightning shield up, just don't do any direct damage to the boss so no auto attacks by accident, which is probably why you died

[true nexus]

Yo can someone give me a walk thru on how to do "well" on ashvane

how do you manage cds/font

we're told to hold for first break

Also for radiance, vendetta will usually line up during the add phase, should I hold it or just pop it on the ad

[lost horizon]

Apply coral on ashvane, usually 2 TBs before you pop CDs on third unless slow

But a lot of groups just don't give a fuck and pop on CD, especially after this most recent nerf

So it's a lot harder to compete with that

Radiance don't bother using it on add if you skip 2nd adds anyway

Just save and use with CLF at 3min on boss

Since you should have <4min kill time

[true nexus]

yea

ok

[bright tusk]

swirling sands for m+? It's a necessary evil on a piece, is it viable?
Alt A 450ilvl: DD/TTK, Swirling sand/Scent of Blood
Alt B 435ilvl: Shrouded Suffocaton/DD and Nothing Personal

Going Alt A would leave me at a total of 2 shrouded suffocation

[true nexus]

machination?

has ss

[bright tusk]

I'm sorry I don't follow

I have "Hood of the Slithering Loa", 450 <- Alt A Traits
or "Shroud of Unmooring whispers", 435 <- Alt B traits

[true nexus]

yeah idk

[arctic walrus]

Slithering loa

Ttk swirling

[timber meadow]

I think hood is like 2nd bis - that swirling is dank

[bright tusk]

Alright, then I have major ilvl upgrade and total outer ring traits are:
2 ShroudedS, 2 Ttk, 1 EB, 1 SwirlingS

What inner ring traits are strongest in m+? I'm lost there

[true nexus]

overwhelming power

[cursive solstice]

is having 0 vers bad lmao

[rigid mango]

If sims tell you no, they're correct

[rigid mango]

[lone junco]

https://tenor.com/view/gr-gif-4407667

[brisk forge]

a bit confused as a returning player but how many stacks should i have b4 i reapply [Ashvane's Razor Coral]? or always max stack? seems wrong tho

[rigid mango]

Just apply it at the start

[arctic walrus]

There is no max stack btw

[rigid mango]

And consume iwth each vend

Reapply after

[brisk forge]

ah, yeah make sense 😛

ty

[viral silo]

Does font+coral ever start feeling not shit to use? Two on use is blah. I get it's great but I only started playing my rogue alt recently and I keep messing up the timings

[scarlet sequoia]

l2p issue isnt it

[viral silo]

Yes

One day I'll learn

[scarlet sequoia]

u could just use inkpod + coral

[viral silo]

You're not wrong. I'll sim it and see.

[arctic walrus]

It’s not gonna win in the sim

[viral silo]

Well yeah

Just seeing the difference

[rigid mango]

inkpod coral is fine to use, font coral is just optimal

[arctic walrus]

But if you suck at font/corAl, coral inkpod is good enough

[viral silo]

We pop font with 18/19s left on Vendetta right?

[tropic ocean]

<20 yeah

[scarlet sequoia]

ideally 14

[viral silo]

Alright. Thanks

[distant lava]

the overlap you can have between coral and font is 15 secs right ?

like the time when you have both buffs

[rigid mango]

font > vend 14 sec later > coral 6 sec after vend

That's how it goes.

[viral silo]

Cool

[rigid mango]

[dark crag]

[hidden bay]

is that how u play it?

[viscid onyx]

!Essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[minor thicket]

Hey guys doesn’t anyone have a decent Weak Aura that just shows bleed timers?

I don’t need rotation stuff

Just strictly bleeds so I can see what expires better

[arctic walrus]

You can make your own

!weakauras

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[arctic walrus]

or look through there and just delete everything else

[strange scarab]

Quick question, is the 4 target garotte bug with shrouded still on live?

ty

[drifting cloud]

at this point im amazed you even know about it

it was a thing for like a month? if even that long and its been over a year since it was fixed

😄

[strange scarab]

yeah, first time going back to assassination in keys, was just curious

[honest needle]

whats the reasoning people tank mythic org on left or right side of room instead of where he spawns ?

I see alot of guilds do it

I just dont kno the reasoning

[vapid scarab]

because that's where the tanks moved him

[true nexus]

got my first mythic dagger

after like

a billion courts and sivaras

[solar abyss]

Best mythic azshara essences?

[arctic walrus]

blood, lucid/c&s

iris instead of strife is fine too

[solar abyss]

what would be the best major if blood is not an option

cdl or iris

[arctic walrus]

Clf

[hasty fiber]

anyone know what bis M+ assa gear looks like?

3x ss 3x echoing blades?

[hoary patrol]

3x ss + 2x eb + 1x tk

[steady owl]

I’ve seen a lot of rogues have a single 120 agi gem on a piece of gear. Why do they do that?

[marble hemlock]

because 120agi is better than 50secondary stat

[tropic ocean]

cuz often 120agi is superior to 50x

[marble hemlock]

and current m+ setup is most likely 3ss 3eb

the 1ttk barely makes a difference sadly, and assa can just focus on being the aoe-carry in their group with the 3ss 3eb setup

[signal orbit]

does anyone know if tempest is worth using on fortified weeks with exsangiunate at all?

[tropic ocean]

Exsang not

Tempest y

[signal orbit]

so i take it u keep TB is just better than since it will give more boss dmg as well?

[marble hemlock]

tb is better on bosses than exsang, yes

[tropic ocean]

it just gives more dmg in general compared to exsang

[marble hemlock]

even with 3ss and no ttk/dd/np

even with a perfect boss kill time, so ~2m30sec, exsang is only like 100dps ahead of TB in a m+ gear

[signal orbit]

ah ok

[marble hemlock]

its because exsang doesnt really increase your dps overall, it just increases your dps momentarily during your cooldowns and the overall gain is just a couple of non-empowered garrote/rupture ticks

and a slight increase in energy gained, but yeah, you get the point 😄

[signal orbit]

i see

thanks for that

[marble hemlock]

tb is the better st option, and both tb and exsang are essentially useless on aoe

ct is the better aoe choice, but it requires quite a bit more thought and practice, so if youre just starting out id suggest playing pb or if youre running 3eb you can play HB as well

and if you feel like youre ready to gain a bit more dmg on aoe but also having to worry with a quite a bit more complex aoe gameplay, then you can pick up CT

[gusty mirage]

I played around with CT in a few lower keys lately and it feels clunky at times. It's def a solid choice if you know what you're doing with it

[signal orbit]

if i play with HB would i try and stack it up during aoe by not using fan or not?

[marble hemlock]

no, you just use fok as you always do

you also use it on st when you hit max-stacks

theres really no change with HB in aoe, its just as passive damage gain

just make sure that if you play blood of the enemy, you use it before the first fok in aoe

so it would be garrote1, garrote2, garrote3, rupture1, blood of the enemy, fok

[signal orbit]

ah ok

[marble hemlock]

if you dont have 3eb, dont play HB

[signal orbit]

also does Venomous wounds proc from CT?

[marble hemlock]

nope

[signal orbit]

dam

that would be nice if it did

[gusty mirage]

that'd be a shit ton of energy lol

[marble hemlock]

would be broken 🙂

[signal orbit]

yup

so what would be the aoe opener if i would run CT and when would u wanna refresh it

[gusty mirage]

Unfortunately I can't answer that, I had an issue with figuring out when would be the optimal time to refresh it so I dropped it pretty quick after messing around in a few 10-12s with it

[signal orbit]

ah ok

[gusty mirage]

It was easier to maintain it on bosses, but I felt like it made my aoe rotation more complicated than it needed to be

But the fact that I was only able to consistently use it on bosses was the reason I switched back to poison bomb

[tropic ocean]

Refresh with 2 sec left

I use it after 3g r

[signal orbit]

so atm i got 3 EB 2 SS 1 NP all at 435 and my other option is 2 EB 2 SS 1 NP and 1 TTK all at 435 which do u reckon might be a better set up for keys?

[tropic ocean]

3 eb

2ss 1 np

[signal orbit]

i also have the option to change my NP/EB one to TTK/EB

[tropic ocean]

Do that

[signal orbit]

so go TTK and EB instead then

btw thanks for the as well learned a fair bit about sin already thanks to it

[marble hemlock]

you maintain CT at all times on aoe

you dont use it at all on singletarget

opener with bote is:
g1, g2, g3, ct, fok, r1, bote, 5xfok, ct, and then you fok/refresh ruptures as you need it while maintaining ct (you wanna use 5cp only on ct if possible)

the tick-damage per CP used remains the same with CT, but the initialdamage scales with CP so you try to only use 5CP CTs

[signal orbit]

ah ok

[steady owl]

Is ct a big increase in overall damage? And are there dungeons where its less good?

[distant lava]

Dungeons with less aoe

KR comes to mind

Seli said high tyr KR too

[steady owl]

Thanks. Another question. I’m using a 435 pistoleer spaulders. And let’s say I do 45k overall. How much of a dps increase would a 450 version be? Hard to say maybe? I’m wondering what to use my residuum on

[steep obsidian]

try simming? that sounds like a math thing

gear compare or upgraes on raidbots would do that

[steady owl]

I’ll sim but I was thinking more of like an educated guess 😄

[marble hemlock]

its easier to say where i dont run ct anymore, and that would be siege/kr at all time, and tyrannical temple

fort temple still has decent trashsize (4-6targets usually) so its still worth imo

[steady owl]

I’ve never actually used ct before so I’m looking forward to trying it later

[subtle aurora]

hey guys, for m+ is lucid major + bote minor + visions good?

[modest tendon]

No

https://bloodmallet.com/index.html#rogue_assassination?data_view=essences&fight_style=hecticaddcleave

Most of lucid’s damage comes from minor

Most of botes damage comes from major

[subtle aurora]

ah ok thanks. So..bote major + lucid minor + visions?

[modest tendon]

Visions is especially shit because it desynchronises vanish and vendetta, it does absolutely nothing

Go for crucible, pp, or the c&s (which is probably the best)

[subtle aurora]

Got it. So...bote major + lucid minor + c&S is decent eh

[modest tendon]

Yes 🙂

Only rank 3 c&s is worth it though, go for crucible or pp

[subtle aurora]

ok time to farm cr. I will make do with crucible for now heh

thanks bud

[modest tendon]

No problem

[bright smelt]

5% haste viable for sin m+ or is that going too low?

(as in literally only haste on gear is the one from neck)

[modest tendon]

Haste is worthless in m+

Crit gives good single target and amazing aoe

[bright smelt]

except for bosses

[modest tendon]

But haste is good for single target but does nothing for aoe

[bright smelt]

ik

[modest tendon]

And most of the dungeon you will be aoe

[bright smelt]

but you gotta find a balance for trash dps and boss dps

[modest tendon]

So why do you want any?

Get more crit

[bright smelt]

nah man

[modest tendon]

More crit=more boss

[bright smelt]

if anything I want more mast I think

[modest tendon]

Wut

[bright smelt]

1.9k crit without the buffs from coral/spyglass

[modest tendon]

When is too much crit a bad thing?

When it caps

How often do you cap your crit?

[vast forum]

Mastery > crit with 3xSS

[bright smelt]

^that

[modest tendon]

Get both

[vast forum]

Point is still

[bright smelt]

for KR I would take mastery any day

[vast forum]

Haste worthless

[bright smelt]

as an example

[modest tendon]

For m+ you get crit then mastery and vers

No haste

[bright smelt]

well yeah ik

just trying to find good balance is all

[modest tendon]

Haste is a dps loss for the vast majority of the dungeon

[cloud sandal]

i had a 444 set with all sockets 0 mastery and like 200 haste

lol

0 vers

sorry

[modest tendon]

Assa does mediocre boss damage regardless of gear

[cloud sandal]

41% crit 63% mastery it was

[modest tendon]

You need to be the aoe carry not the single target carry

Don’t worry about it

[cloud sandal]

but cba with assa

[bright smelt]

current stats

[cloud sandal]

ilvl?

[bright smelt]

why you hating on sin

[modest tendon]

Your stats are fine though

[bright smelt]

441

[cloud sandal]

im not

i just play casino spec

[modest tendon]

I think I have 5% just because my best dagger is a crit haste one

[cloud sandal]

yeah same both daggers were 445

with crit haste

[bright smelt]

no socket on either ring

makes me cri

gonna be interesting to try out 2ss 2 ttk 1 swirling sands 1 bbi in KR

[modest tendon]

3ss always

Especially Kr

What actually are the best traits for kr?

Ttk is a bit meh

3ss 2eb 1bbi?

3ss 1eb 1bbi 1ttk?

Wish I could do that build lol

[bright smelt]

wut?

eb is worthless in kr

you doing them drugs?

[modest tendon]

Well not having any eb is bad

1 is fine for kr

[bright smelt]

0 for kr is even better though

not large enough pulls

[modest tendon]

I disagree, 1 still has value because you still spend the whole dungeon spamming fok

[bright smelt]

[cloud sandal]

there arent rly packs u can stack

in kr without wiping or being a god

[modest tendon]

Some packs can be chain pulled I guess, not this week though lol

[cloud sandal]

like?

start u dont want 3 witches

after boss they come 1 by one

talking about high keys ofc

but this is #wow-general sorry

[modest tendon]

First pack before first boss, kill spell caster chain pull to next pack, that’s a pretty safe pull

Could do that with any of the packs before first boss though tbf

All 4 constructs in the very first area can be safely pulled to together

Constructs before second boss can be pulled together

All of the blobs

I don’t know the best way of handling bridge to third boss though

I usually do 1 at a time to be safe

Kr is my last 18 though

Been avoiding the place

[cloud sandal]

same

[echo hornet]

https://clip2net.com/s/44lh4Go yey. 3rd garrote and 2nd echo blades

[signal orbit]

is it normal for assasin rogues to have less than 10% haste

[cloud sandal]

for m+ yes

for raids im not entirely sure

but i think u want some haste for ST fights

where u cant sustain energy with dots

[rigid mango]

There's pretty much no fight you go that low.

[modest tendon]

How much haste should you have for zaq?

[scarlet sequoia]

1586

[dark crag]

1337

[harsh anchor]

I like to play with 20% haste. Feels like my magic number for haste.

[modest tendon]

Was this a bad question or something?

Like you get lots of haste in delirium

[cloud sandal]

i'd suggest checking top logs

and see how much they rocking with

and simming

[distant lava]

if you don't go into delirium much run normal shit

maybe drop a bit of haste

[modest tendon]

Isn’t it best to go outlaw if you aren’t going into delirium?

[distant lava]

btw "how much of x stat do I want" is always a bad question

[modest tendon]

Perhaps I should have asked ‘should I be stacking haste if I’m going into delirium?’

[tropic ocean]

no

for the haste

and no for the outlaw, it comes down to what strat you do

and what kind of dps u need

[rigid mango]

Outlaw's probably better outside of delirium.

[minor thicket]

wjere is the weak aura links here

[rigid mango]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[gleaming viper]

guys, is it ok to not have nothing personal azerite trait ?

[rigid mango]

If it sims better that way sure

[flat lava]

Hi all, which azerite traits should i use/stack for m+

[rigid mango]

ss eb, ttk/bbi

[still canopy]

Hey guys i m trying to get into assa and did a sim with the gear i have for it - feels kinda low, despite good traits and ok stats, any ideas ? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gNaFUigxaVqkXpD1hvzjvH

[rigid mango]

0 benthics, bad trinkets, no CLF, using 1 EB on a single target sim, barely any sockets

etc etc

[still canopy]

ye my trinkets arent ideal - i m not a raider - i do have sockets though on belt and wep etc. so BB is better than NP ?

what makes benthics so relevant?

[shrewd night]

despite good traits

[vast forum]

lucid major

[rigid mango]

Yeah idk, there's so much wrong in your sim

From a raiding perspective

[still canopy]

i looked at other rogues and saw many using DD,NP,SS

Lucid major is sadly my best option since i dont have condensed or vision

[vast forum]

vision is trash

blood of the enemy and clf are best

[still canopy]

based on blood mallet and wowhead my traits should be decent so thats what i went with

[rigid mango]

I'd go from what raidbots.com says instead

[flat lava]

So 3 ss is good for dungeons and how many eb

[cloud sandal]

3

[flat lava]

Both 3?

[cloud sandal]

yes is good

but ttk is decent aswell if u dont have the pieces it

[modest tendon]

Depends on dungeon though

Do you take 3eb into kr or ToS?

[cloud sandal]

no i play outlaw

[modest tendon]

So do I

[rigid mango]

3 ss eb is bonks for overall

For most dungeons

[flat lava]

I'm asking for usual traits to go for in dungeon

[rigid mango]

but those two and maybe siege, you wouldn't want 3 eb.

[flat lava]

Don't want to sacrifice much in aoe or st

It seems like st would be pathethic with 3 ss and 3 eb

[modest tendon]

Why would you play assa in siege

[flat lava]

Outlaw is boring

[rigid mango]

That's not the question.

[flat lava]

Yeah yet you can make deduction

[cloud sandal]

if u dont want to swap

do decent st and aoe

3 ss, 2 eb, 1x ttk

[flat lava]

Don't want to play competitive just want to have fun, so assassin is fine for me

[rigid mango]

Assa would be fine iether way 😉

[flat lava]

What about stats

[rigid mango]

crit mast heavy

drop all haste

vers is fine

[flat lava]

Nice thanks

[gleaming viper]

ok, one say sim, ohter one say its a crime to not have NP :p

[rigid mango]

Sarcasm.

[modest tendon]

All say sim

[gleaming viper]

ok ok

here is what i run so :p

[rigid mango]

Probably want the Np instead of the bbi, but sim it (:

[gleaming viper]

simmed

looks the best 🙂

ty !

[still canopy]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vj861GxpHz4PHQ6vrHiZbu slight increase ... seems i need to start raiding again ^^ - thanks a lot guys !

[gleaming viper]

i think some azerite trait are not good

u should sim with top gear

[still canopy]

i did ^^ but thats the best i could get - changed a few gear pieces with ones with sockets

[scarlet sequoia]

link me your top gear sim

cus there is no way that what youre running is best for single target

[still canopy]

i ll pm in a few if thats ok?

[scarlet sequoia]

ok

[nocturne gate]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xfxm3x8DvUcoejTXPwPoq8

just a few changes im pretty sure there are more upgrades

[tropic ocean]

@flat lava just play 3 ss 3eb

good enough for 3k+rio never swapping anything

[scarlet sequoia]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/efQ334n6z1MzH79cB36BnF

@still canopy

[still canopy]

was about to link it - thanks a lot !

i thought GCB was trash though and not ideal ?

[rigid mango]

Doesn't mean it's less bad than your other ones

[still canopy]

🤔 probs

was trying to get deadeye but its not dropping

[rigid mango]

Deadeye's not fantastic raid wise

[still canopy]

rn i m mostly farming m+ since i have barely time to raid sadly

[cursive solstice]

if youre capped on combo points and toxic blade is about to come up should you envenom before toxic blade or overcap combo points

[young portal]

Overcapping combo points with tb really isn't an issue

[nimble skiff]

With x3 SS, what should my second vendetta window look like? Do I worry about lining it up with vanish?

Or do I just do vendetta -> tb -> mut/env and vanish garote garote rupture after or before? Or should I ensure the vanish is before the vendetta window?

[edgy pawn]

if the boss lives long enough and you need the damage i'd hold vendetta to line up

[flat lava]

@tropic ocean going to try it thank you

[edgy pawn]

if the boss doesn't live long enough just press it

if the boss lives long enough but you dont need the damage, id hold vanish for trash packs

esp in fort weeks

[tropic ocean]

i just vanish to regarrote once the buffed ones run out

[bright tusk]

I've got socketed fully upgraded Akana's feet, Ori's wrist and Vim's belt, should I now go for the hands or the aberration belt?
My guild is still progressing and we haven't beat Ashvane yet

[rigid mango]

You should've gone for hands pre upgrading all of them tbh

But yeah, hands probably

[distant lava]

hands will be the biggest upgrade most likely

cause aberration is slightly better than vim's but gloves are most likely better than anything

[bright tusk]

Alright, I didn't know. Watched some rogue on video tell me to get those in that order so I did and now I didn't know how to proceed. Thanks

Poen's hands to be clear?

[rigid mango]

Yep

[fathom wyvern]

am i doing it wrong if i open with garrote -> mut -> rup -> mut?

[rigid mango]

Yeah

mut > rup > mut gar if first mut hits for 4 CP
mut > mut > rup > gar > mut if first hits for 2-3

[fathom wyvern]

ah, thanks

then rockboi vendetta tb vanish envemom?

unless you need 1 mut before for cp

[rigid mango]

The only thing that changes is between the start

[fathom wyvern]

oh right

[rigid mango]

So you do those that I typed out and then add CLF > Vend > tb > vanish > env

on the end of both

[fathom wyvern]

ill always be at atleast 3 cp when vendetta hits

[rigid mango]

That's your opening sequence dependant on whether you crit or not

Exactly

so Tb hits for 1-2

guarantees finisher next gcd

[fathom wyvern]

so mut rup if 4 cp, mut gar. or mut mut rup gar mut?

[rigid mango]

If first mut hits for 4 cp

you go mut rup mut gar

if it doesn't you go mut mut rup gar mut

[reef herald]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
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https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[dark crag]

Wasn't gloves the droplet one?

[rigid mango]

Yeah.

[rocky ruin]

Which essence for m+ and i got only clf on rank 1

i mean conflict and strife

[rigid mango]

blood r3/iris + lucid + strife

blood is far better.

[rocky ruin]

BotE Rank 3, Lucid 3 and what should i take when i got no strife?

[vast forum]

everything else is meh

[glacial grotto]

does anyone else prefer hidden blades in m+

especially on fort weeks or am i mad

[tawny hamlet]

is there a recommended place i kind info on m+ specs/traits/recommendations?

[lone junco]

SIN GUIDE HERE--> http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ FAQ IN PINS-->

[tawny hamlet]

thanks, yes i saw. i just wasn't sure if there was any info on m+ directly. i saw the Multi Target(f.ex 5 man instances) talent build. i was just curious if hidden blades was viable at all. according to the guide its not even listed so i am guessing not. unless combat is the way to go, but i was hoping to stick with sin

[strange python]

Yo guys,just rolled to rogue few weeks ago from fire mage and so far got 2 questions:

1. Should I cast fan of knives/throw the knife when I'm at 4cp? Ofc i dont want to multilate, atm I'm just casting those finishers on 4cp
   2.Do you sometimes use toxic blade at 5cp? I've read the guide on ravenhold and it says
   Mutilate till 4+ combo points

Rupture

Mutilate if still in master assassin window(so basicaly I may have 4cp here if lucky)

Garrote(makes it 5cp if lucky)

Mutilate till 4+ combo points(?)

Vendetta

Toxic Blade( waste of 1 cp?)

(Ofc all questions pve wise)

[rigid mango]

You finish at 4+. And yes, you TB at whatever CP you're on.

Just press TB if it's off cd, that simple really.

[strange python]

Thanks mate!

[bright smelt]

worth giving up NP for BBI for raids? (only got 1 NP, that's kinda why it feels iffy)

[rigid mango]

Sim it?

[bright smelt]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/39t5CKHaxEUHmLoATndyL4 @rigid mango

this is reason I ask

literally within 5 dps of eachother

[rigid mango]

NP for consistancy, BBI for logging peaks

[polar timber]

what do you guys go for m+ for talents ive seen hidden blades and pb

and crimson tempest

[scarlet sequoia]

yeah

[tropic ocean]

@polar timber pick any depending on affix, dungeon and your prefered playstyle

Pb is just passive dmg without thinking, hb is good with stacked eb traits

[polar timber]

okay so theres no clear winner

[tropic ocean]

And ct needs a more active playstyle

aka keeping dot up in aoe/cleave

[polar timber]

got ya

and what about essences i got 3 eb 2 ttk and 1 ss

[rigid mango]

blood M + lucid strife

optimally

[polar timber]

ya blood i think is not an option

[rigid mango]

Blood's the best by a fair bit

[polar timber]

rogue is an alt so i dont wanna do that again

[rigid mango]

Esp if running 3 eb

[polar timber]

how about rank 2

[rigid mango]

Nope.

[polar timber]

is that enough to beat beam

[tropic ocean]

Nope

3 is the big part

You also want more ss traits

[polar timber]

so drop 1 ttk for 1 ss

[rigid mango]

Ye

[nimble skiff]

How good is wow analyzer for assassination?

[arctic walrus]

It’s not super helpful, but if you know what you’re looking for it has its uses

But at that point you can just review your own logs

[rigid mango]

It's not supported for sin, nor do I think it's that well supported for rogue as a whole

It's super baseline info when it comes to overcapping/uptime on bleeds

But everything regarding rotation is +- horseshit

If you need help with rotational things or reviewing of logs, there are a lot of people here to help

[rancid spade]

good?

[tropic ocean]

yes

[cunning geyser]

Hey on Azshara mythic at pull when do you use font of power ? Do you just use it before pull and engage without stealth ?

[shy dust]

Just use it prepull and then stealth?