You're also using the wrong prepot
#assassination
rigid mango
solid nova
91% rupture time is low as well
Especially for Sivara
You're refreshing outside of pandemic
and over writing buffed garrotes
Plenty to work with
And no 2nd pot as you potted late with the incorrect pot too
halcyon saddle
Okay , shit came back from a year away so I'm more than open to any way to improve
rigid mango
First step:
halcyon saddle
Firstly which talents should i be using
rigid mango
Read the wowhead/ravenholdt guides
You've got baseline rotational issues that should be fixed by reading them
Simming is also something you should be doing
halcyon saddle
That's the thing I have read those and I clearly missed a lot of this
rigid mango
You must've missed the entire "rotation" section
Because it explains your opener quite nice and easy
halcyon saddle
Okay i'll review that section again
rigid mango
as for 2nd row talents
If you have any shrouded suffocation traits (hint, you don't), you pick subterfuge
if you don't, you go master assassin, and you learn that opener instead
halcyon saddle
When you refer to the TB windows being lackluster please elaborate? Should I be pulling more energy prior to TB'ing to try and get 2 envenoms within that period?
worldly iron
even without deliberately pooling, it's pretty easy to consistently get a minimum of 2 once you get used to everything
rigid mango
You can however, lose one if it means refreshing rupture
If you're in the decision of either: refreshing rupture so it wont fall off or using another envenom
ofc, if it's got a long time left, say, 4-6 seconds, you can still envenom and rupture later
You'll get the feel for how tight you can cut it consistantly after playing a while
halcyon saddle
Okay thanks I truly am ashamed of how bad I've played I really appreciate the assistance
scarlet sequoia
np
halcyon saddle
any input on coral and font usage?
worldly iron
no need to feel ashamed, we gotchu
robust river
What add-on is it for taking logs?
halcyon saddle
@zine I'm still confused on how to use coral. Do I immediately apply the debuff as soon as it is available during the Opener Vendetta and then extract the coral for the crit buff during the 2nd vendetta window?
rigid mango
You've got both, yeah?
robust river
Yes. Font pre-fight, coral comes up at 16, pop coral early as you have a GCD available that doesn't waste energy
rigid mango
Nah, 5 ish
robust river
5-6 seconds.
rigid mango
I pop it when 6 becomes 5
robust river
8 if your raid/mythic is trigger happy only 😄
halcyon saddle
Extremely trigger happy
rigid mango
Gives me breathing space to prepot and stealth w/out issues
Then you apply coral as soon as possible
so optimally, about 15 sec in
Then when you arrive at your next vend + vanish window it goes as such
You font, 14 sec later you use vendetta, 6 seconds later you use coral
Meaning you get full vendetta inside font, and you get 14 seconds of coral inside font and vend
rigid mango
robust river
Zine - Just to clarify. If TB - you just use on CD essentially reagrdless? Would you hold it for a few seconds to put in Vendetta window?
robust river
Ah ok
rigid mango
granted you wont lose a vend cast from delaying it
robust river
So ideally you font when TB has 14-15sceonds on CD?
Would you hold font for that window too?
robust river
2nd window is were i struggle most, I miss it coming off CD all the time. Need to get a WA for Coral/Font I think
rigid mango
I just have one for coral really
robust river
Font's the one I forget as it's not paired with anything haha
winged pumice
hi guys in m+ my aoe damage is fine but my ST damage isnt good in bosses im hitting like 26k
arctic walrus
What traits and essences are you running
winged pumice
1x TTK, 2x SS. 3x EB
rank 3 iris main rank 3 crucible minor
i have 34 percent crit, 10 percent haste and 35 percent mastery, 4 percent vers
arctic walrus
Not exactly sure why you would drop lucid for crucible. In assuming you don't have rank 3 blood so iris is fine. You can drop 1-2 eb and get more ttk ss bbi etc
winged pumice
dont have my essences sorted on here so just going with highest ranked ones
dont have rank 3 lucid
ill get 1 more ttk then
thank you
robust river
I'm simming up to 37k now, I think I was like 24k when you was helping me last week @scarlet sequoia 😄
Need new boots for EP and some more mythic pieces but looking healthier
Anything glaringly wrong anyone can see?
arctic walrus
A gnome 
robust river
Haha gnome power :S
modest badge
Filthy Transfusion Azerite Power
Your damaging abilities have a chance to invoke a tainted swamp beneath the target, siphoning 12372 health from them over 6 sec.
does ur target have to be in the pool the entire time to get max effect?
arctic walrus
Yes or 2k/s
raw shadow
anyone in this chat literally play video games 👌 😂 💯
zenith tiger
What sin talents do you guys take in a key like shrine? I've been trying hidden blades today and it seems to be performing pretty well.
raw shadow
not playing subtlety in keystones in 8.2.5 😂 💯
rigid mango
zenith tiger
???
distant lava
rigid mango
What?
distant lava
Not you
raw shadow
hidden blades makes more sense yeah
distant lava
Hb is fine, most people pick poison bomb tho
rigid mango
PB is just as good if not better
raw shadow
i think its literally better in every situation including single target
rigid mango
Until proven otherwise, I'll stick to PB
zenith tiger
Well what do logs/sims/top people run?
rigid mango
It was better, and unless blood made it a lot better, I see no reason it should've gotten better
zenith tiger
i'd take that as proof tbh
raw shadow
the best sin rogue i know runs crimson tempest in every keystone
he's 1.5k, his name is fitme
look him up 👌
rigid mango
It's mixxed as to what's best
raw shadow
sorry sweaty ur wrong 💯
rigid mango
Split between pb and hb
solid nova
@raw shadow If you're here to troll, you can take it somewhere else.
raw shadow
no really subtlety is rising
zenith tiger
I was asking a legit question :/
raw shadow
im not trolling
rigid mango
I've answered it
zenith tiger
I need help pushing high keys
zenith tiger
Well for the sake of min/max
zenith tiger
what lvl keys are u doing
raw shadow
ill stay secret technique 👌
distant lava
HB is more aoe and PB good aoe with more ST
distant lava
Thats how you choose
rigid mango
Last season HB wasn't even better on overall
So idk
We'll see I guess, I've got to talk with more of the giga key pushers to see what their take is on it
zenith tiger
Zine what tier of keys are we talking about here?
rigid mango
20+
zenith tiger
oh
zinc zealot
what constitutes as a giga key pusher?
zenith tiger
any giga pushers in here?>
rigid mango
I'm talking like
Either potential mdi or mdi people
Yes, seli is one
But he runs pb
civic palm
OH HOW THE MIGHTY HAVE FALLEN
zinc zealot
im rank 6 world i run hidden blades
rigid mango
Probably the best sin consistantly atleast
civic palm
Ye.
rigid mango
Good for you bud
zinc zealot
the best sin runs hidden blades
zenith tiger
@zinc zealot what's ur ign?
rigid mango
Didn't know you were in pieces.
raw shadow
@zinc zealot in game name is sarisa-forstmourne
zenith tiger
oh wtf
civic palm
rigid mango
Idk, I don't think either is good enough over the other to make it a braindead choice
solid nova
Last warning.
woven summit
🔫 🍖 🍷
rigid mango
It's too split to make either the obvious choice
Maybe, hopefully, we use one for some scenarios and one for the other
zinc zealot
more choice is always better
rigid mango
Agreed
raw shadow
yeah i'm pro-choice too
civic palm
Ehhhh
civic palm
Nah HB is fine.
rigid mango
Keep one as a sorta, kr/tos choice, CT for rest
Nah, it's just as boring as PB
Both can get fucked for all I care
civic palm
That's nice, just make it explode when you press it so it's less boring.
zenith tiger
I saw something in the chat yesterday when I was at work
rigid mango
You always know how to entertain me miz
rigid mango
Oh please not this again
rigid mango
It was specifically for bursting
zenith tiger
Yeah depending on comp
raw shadow
it doesnt matter, rogues cloak and healer outranges the bursting
rigid mango
And the reasoning was "oh hb is so good for this"
raw shadow
u can pull it as one easily
zenith tiger
I usually run a comp with triple immune
raw shadow
how is it irrelevant
zenith tiger
was just a question
rigid mango
I mean if you saw the convo
raw shadow
i see everything
rigid mango
Then you saw the shitshow that followed
zenith tiger
yeah i said I was at work, i skim read it
rigid mango
I just cba having that cesspit again
rigid mango
Wasn't something worthwhile dedicating time to again though
zenith tiger
im rerolling mage anyway cuz that's the best class 🙂
rigid mango
distant lava
Haha so funny dude glad you're here
burnt dome
what are you guys running on KR high tyr keys (like 20+). I feel like I'm lacking on ST quite a lot bc the 3rd and 4th boss are just so freaking long
rigid mango
For KR?
rigid mango
High tyr?
shut garnet
just thought it was general question
desert vault
What is m+ this week?
rigid mango
What affixes? if that's the case, #wow-general
fleet whale
It's Fort, Bolstering, and Grievous
rigid mango
+1
shut garnet
or reroll to outlaw 
hot flume
Hi guys, a guildie rogue put some doubt in me. It's stil totally worth to rupture an add at 5% hp to get back energy from his death right ?
rigid mango
If you need the energy, yah
hot flume
ok thanks
shut garnet
would it be hyper pepega to play HB with 3ss2eb and high mastery
elder quarry
is over 20% haste worth it in pve? and what traits should I get? Ive got the engineering helm, double dose, nothing personal x2, ss
stats are 25% crit 25% haste 33% mastery 4% vers
i have trouble dumping my energy to use vendetta in my opener
shut garnet
uuuh it really depends what you mean by pve
raiding and m+ are very different in terms of both what traits you need and what statweights are good
elder quarry
raiding primarily
shut garnet
then its like haste> mastery=vers> crit
obviously its just a brief guideline u should sim everything
and traitwise, bis setup is like 2dd 1np 1bbi 1ttk 1loyal 3overwhelming
but as long as you have a np, at least 2 dd and as many overwhelmings as you can get your hands on you should be good
elder quarry
bbi blightborne infusion?
stuck knoll
Ye
elder quarry
and what's ttk?
stuck knoll
twist the knife
distant lava
azerite trait from the raid
elder quarry
so right now im running 2 dd, Relation Normalization gizmo, bbi, np, ss, 2 overwhelming power and 1 heed my call
should be pretty strong, right?
shut garnet
yeye thats strong
bleak horizon
What are the best trait setups for m+?
short jacinth
A mix of ttk,ss,eb
tough dome
should you avoid 3DD for raid/st if possible?
crisp hollow
wait that guy a little ways up had crit near the bottom of the stat prio for raiding lol what
i thought even without benthic boots it was comparable to haste?
crisp hollow
yeah i’m aware stat prio means pretty much nothing
but taking crit as our worst stat
probably just wrong outright
cloud escarp
I assume bbi impacts this.
crisp hollow
even in patchwork
stuck knoll
Yeah that stat prio wasn't that accurate tbh
elder quarry
so is garrote > rupture > garrote still the opener? I've been garrotex2 rupture lately
stuck knoll
A lot of people have haste/mast as their lowest stats
At this stage rn it's basically different for everyone
elder quarry
it's just easier to dump my energy for vendetta that way
and i dont have to reapply rupture as quickly
cloud escarp
You want the second garrote after the rupture for Vendetta and TB I believe
elder quarry
i feel like im definitely capping my energy that way tho
which i guess is fine since tb is up
lucid carbon
any guide on how i want to use font of power and razor coral togheter? I've been out of the loop this tier
nimble tinsel
With SS and sub, gar > rup > gar is likely still best I believe, but no SS/MA is the more generally accepted build this teir
lucid carbon
ty
rigid mango
SS is meh, MA is the way to go
nimble tinsel
And the opener for that is a bit different, and also in the pins/guides I believe.
rigid mango
tis in the guide
upper canyon
do you lose the loyal to the end stacks when you go into delirium realm
vast forum
good question tbh
tropic ocean
nope
shut garnet
excited to play 3eb because of fortified bolster bois? PepeClap
might actually be time to test hb
rigid mango
HB is just worse than PB
tropic ocean
tropic ocean
it will only take a few months just like with the 2/2/2 😂😂😂😂
rigid mango
You have to have insane fok numbers to make it worth while
I'll quote it from seli, just for you
You do you, but I'll stick to the other one
fleet whale
PB is also "free" damage
rigid mango
So is hb
fleet whale
well, free damage you don't have to think about
fleet whale
nah, axe CT imo
rigid mango
Since I'm hard stacking mastery and dropping crit/eb
fleet whale
should have never came back
rigid mango
Ima give it a try with high mastery
rigid mango
shut garnet
you cant just 50% meme
fleet whale
dude venom rush sims more than exsang lol
rigid mango
I mean
shut garnet
seli is playing ct rn apparently
rigid mango
I think and hope that CT is fine
Yah talked about it with him earlier today
he said it could work in UR
FH and ML too
shut garnet
i guess it makes sense
its an extra bleed that goes aoe, has no cd and everyone's stacking mastery
rigid mango
I mean, a lot of people aren't
shut garnet
and people play blood too
shut garnet
i guess they just wanna try anything to change from the same old
the last time anything but poison bomb was viable was what
s1?
i didnt play much m + during s2 so idk if people took hb then for reaping
arctic walrus
4 loyals with ct 
shut garnet
might be better than playing ttk
shut garnet
too bad there arent any pieces with ss loyal
rigid mango
PB was and is better
shut garnet
right
rigid mango
🤷
hoary crown
Hey duudes! What are ppl talking about when they say that race doesnt matter for the damage? Mag’har sims 650 more than undead, in my opinion if an item dropped that increased my dps with 650 I would consider that item a major upgrade 🤔 does it sim correctly?
shut garnet
and even so, idk its just
would you pay like 30 euro or whatever for a 600 dps increase
that might not look as aesthetically pleasing or whatever reason you had to pick the original race in the first place
maiden siren
race change is 10eur
royal lantern
race is a dps increase on simulations
thats it
switching your race will never give you more dmg
you will not turn from gray logs too purple
fleet whale
idk how it's also a 650 dps increase to go from undead to Mag'har orc for you, according to Hero damage, it's not even 300
royal lantern
and purple wont turn into orange cus you change your race
mate
THAT IS a sim
not reality
if somone does more dmg then me
with the same gear
is your first fking thought ''hmmm.......the race is play is the problem!!!!'' ?
royal lantern
racial differences in wow are so small dps wise
if you want too play by racials, play with utility ones
dps is near too 0 difference that will never change anything
arctic walrus
a v e r a g e
rigid mango
You fought what, 4 targets? for 40 sec
tropic ocean
yep
rigid mango
It's just borderline trolling at this point mate
tropic ocean
instead of cultism
tropic ocean
same
rigid mango
I said earlier today that I thought they'd be very close
Which, they are
but HB is inferior,
And even then, you did 20% fok damage
which is STILL 4% total damage
which is STILL
lower than pb
So please, humour me with your stupidity once more
Or stop, and go to bed
tropic ocean
nice insults, no arguments?
rigid mango
shut garnet
statistics is a pretty solid argument
meager nebula
leave out the insult next time
scarlet sequoia
who who who
arctic walrus
Could see it being used on fort for priority targets?
shut garnet
@scarlet sequoia https://raider.io/characters/eu/kazzak/Chuckx#season=season-bfa-3
arctic walrus
Frees up vanish usage more on trash?
shut garnet
idk it seems super weird to use for a 2 min cd
rigid mango
It's not that bad
shut garnet
outlaw makes sense especially since you WANT to spam ar on trash
rigid mango
If you constantly have a decent vend target
You can get pretty good use of it
I can see it work in UR tbh
There's always some target that needs to die
In quite literally every trash pull
You use vanish for spread damage, energy reg and utility anyways
so desyncing them cd wise isn't that bad either.
shut garnet
surely pp would be better then
just overall
in ur
im not 100% sure how many creatures are abberrations actually
rigid mango
Only the blobs, dicks in the ground and big fear dudes
rigid mango
So, quite few
coral pawn
!opener
rigid mango
And not normally targets you care about enough, atleast not blobs
@coral pawn
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
rigid mango
Under rotation
coral pawn
Oops lawl
shut garnet
what time is reset eu
rigid mango
rigid mango
You know where that question goes
rigid mango
cobalt gyro
arctic walrus
Roll for mythic coral or heroic font 
strange python
can you step through azhara beam?
drifting cloud
yes
strange python
thanks
true nexus
do the mechagon pair of rings sim right?
is the 3 spell one decent
paired with haste
arctic walrus
Yea but behind the target is better
silk robin
For anyone playing ass on Za'qul what minors are you using?
arctic walrus
are you going down for echos
warm rapids
Artifice of Time, Blood of the Enemy, and Sphere of Suppression Rank 2 now requires 10,000 Honor (was 15,000 Honor) and Rank 3 now requires 30,000 Honor (was 50,000 Honor).
lusty narwhal
@silk robin Lucid and Visions if you’re on Echoes
echo cargo
Visions? O_o
arctic walrus
Only ever allowed for zaqul double echo duty
raw oasis
My eng helm is simming a full 1% higher than things in m EP. Is that normal?
iron slate
are there guides to what we do on particular mythic fights?
cobalt pelican
we got to zaqul p late and just due to gear i guess we were overkilling both of the echos pretty hard
so i imagine you can get away without vision if you want to
calm hatch
hey 😄 finally got my ashvane's coral this week, and i've got a grip on how to use it in general, but i haven't used it in mythic plus yet - i've noticed on the training dummies that the stacks don't go up if i don't focus the target, even with the bleeds on it (or i just wasn't lucky enough for them to proc for a short while while i was testing :D) so in order to get the stacks up, you constantly need to dmg the target the coral is on, or? i mean i'd always put it on the target i would focus, but asking just to know this info
rancid bobcat
i've seen it proc of fan/dots but it's pretty slow and you won't have haste either to boost the rate
raven mica
!coral
prisma monolithBOT
The way to use coral in M+ is using it on your priority target,
and then whenever that target dies, reapply it to your next target.
Whenever your target dies it gives you the crit it would give from using it,
so consuming the stacks for crit mid pack is generally suboptimal.
raven mica
and yes, it needs to be your main target
cobalt pelican
it doesn't need to be your main target, but there's not much point in not using it on your main target
it's like kaite said you do get stacks from both bleed application, bleed ticks, and fok casts on offtarget if coral is applied to it
you just get so few compared to specs like fury it can seem pretty meh
cobalt pelican
silly yellow speccers
rancid bobcat
shoo shoo yellow shrew
is there a reason people are using strife on azshara aside from stats preference
is the damage reduction good
merry perch
Quick question, is using toxic blade at max combo points right before you dump them with envenom that big of a deal from the combo point being wasted?
muted maple
do you guys take font into mythics? its simming highest for me at patchwerk, 5 bosses, 40seconds
but practically, im not sure. i just got mine.
arctic walrus
what are your alternatives
cobalt pelican
it works fine, just get used to either using it towards the end of a pack if you'll be pulling another quickly, or comfortably before a pull if you're pulling slowly
but farming a baseline spyglass doesn't really take long
muted maple
yeah i just ran a WM with it, didnt think using it broke stealth so that kinda sux. at the end of packs makes the most sense, thx fairy.
obtuse sequoia
what is the benthic bis gear? crit feet?
royal lantern
its in the pins but yeha
crit feet/frost dmg or pufferfish wrist/physical dmg proc or aberation dmg waist
plain moon
Do you guys re apply rupture if it has about 10- secs left when TB comes up or do you just refresh rupture during TB. When I first learned sin I watched some good rogue streams and seen him refreshing rupture early but I remember seeing a comment in here awhile ago about just refreshing in TB
zenith hatch
would rather never use rupture at all than use it in window 😛
sometimes i just pool bit more use rupture and then doin some TB stuff
solid nova
It's still better to refresh during TB, than let it drop off
digital shore
But it better to refresh it early?
rigid mango
Not if outside of pandemic
No
You refresh inside of pandemic, and inside of TB if it means stopping it from dropping off
plain moon
My whole sin life I was refreshing early in prep for TB
plain moon
Outside
So I can always spam envenom in TB
So the guy I was watching was just playing wrong then?
What if it’s going to be a a TB in your vendetta window. Then is it better to refresh early?
robust river
440 splyglass in my chest 😄
winter moss
jaunty arrow
67 golds in my chest 
robust river
Great upgrade for me as was running a 405 dice in m+ :S
I assume there's a good chance the 440 spyglass sims higher than my 405 font too?
jaunty arrow
U dont want font in m+
robust river
I meant for EP sorry
jaunty arrow
But in raid i still would prefer font insted of spyglass
Maybe spyglass will sim little bit more
robust river
Coral (415+SOcket) + FOnt (405) were my EP
Coral (415/socket) + Dice (405) were my M+
jaunty arrow
With EB traits 👌
solid nova
What's simming wrong to you?
robust river
Questionable Loyaties is simming better even with "replace gems" set to crit/haste
I can't see any logcial reason when Notorius can have better of whichever stat is better?
But Questionable is showing an "extra" 50 crit stat on it. Like it's counting the gem twice?
young portal
Theres no ring enchant on Notorious
young portal
Nah not dumb, easy to miss such things when you're new. Yw
rigid mango
Sounds like a bit of a dumb dumb
robust river
^_^
pearl pagoda
havent been aying much attention to assassination since beginning of the tier has their been any REVELATIONS in apl or rotation?
solid nova
That isn't already pinned or in the guide, no
primal turret
Hello everyone, one doubt about queens court fight (mythic): Does it worth to keep bleeding both bosses everytime you got shadowstep/sprint (in order to optimice time) or otherwise you only dot the one you are hitting at the moment (i focus on the girl so i have to change to the guy sometimes)
shut pike
Inkpod>Font for 2phasing M Ashvane?
rigid mango
No
shut pike
ty
primal turret
If you guild need that damage in the last shield may be worth, but in order to get a spicy log font is better
turbid osprey
Why not?
rigid mango
I mean, font'll do more damage in 2nd shield tho
Most likely anyways
Inkpod barely gets stacks
winter moss
shorter fight ?
turbid osprey
Does about 750k if it crits for me
turbid osprey
Though I guess font augmenting burst does more than that
?
Incidentally, my guild is popping hero about 30 seconds before 2nd guardian comes up for last burn on Ash, do I hold my other cds and wait for guardian in the last 10 seconds of hero or just blow everything and guardian when I can?
(Early hero to force shield to break during 5th rippling wave)
winter moss
aslong as you dont miss a cast of anything you can hold your cds
tropic ocean
Inkpod can do very good but only if it crits
turbid osprey
Even though I only get 10 seconds with hero/vendetta?
tropic ocean
While azshara is just on demand dmg and has way higher burst
winter moss
tbf id use guardian as his own cd
but some people wont let go of the haste it gives so
turbid osprey
Alright, just yolo 2nd pot/vend/vanish etc when hero, then guardian as soon as I can
I’ll try that
tropic ocean
I mean if its ur last vend usage might as well pair it with guardian
turbid osprey
How important is lust with that vend?
winter moss
yeah but haste from hero > haste from guardian
tropic ocean
unless u lose bl for doing so
turbid osprey
That’s the thing
turbid osprey
Dps has been too low to break shield before 5th wave has to be soaked
winter moss
so aus has a valid point
tropic ocean
Or big brain use everything on cd have big log
turbid osprey
Though someone always dies, so there’s always that to improve
turbid osprey
Hahaha
tropic ocean
If theres issues with breaking 2nd shield its def not ur cd usage but more likely ppl doing too low dps in general
winter moss
idk i went ham on that shield with cds and pots bc somehow people think dmg to shields dont matter
tropic ocean
my strat for being allowed to log: copy paste cd usage from top sin logs and tell raidlead „look what world 20 rogues are doing your strat is flawed“ 
tropic ocean
my team holds me back 🤷🏿♂️
turbid osprey
tropic ocean
But yeah not needing to hold cds is really good for sin dps on ashvane
turbid osprey
I think that’s the log from the night
tropic ocean
Afaik u lose 1 vendetta if u hold
winter moss
ngl im more on wcl during work than at home
tropic ocean
Idk how to tick phases on phone
But dh dps is very low, lock too
and u can probably 2 heal
tropic ocean
Ur def low on dps for 2 phase wiping at 2% 5:22
Boss usually dead at 4:50-5:00
can u link non shield dps
winter moss
tropic ocean
Pretty sure ppl are slacking when shield broke
winter moss
does this wl even use cds
tropic ocean
Yeah there u see the issue
turbid osprey
I think he got bubbled?
winter moss
over the course of a 5:22 fight
turbid osprey
Oh I thought that was lay burn
tropic ocean
In shield down phases every should be 50k +
turbid osprey
Last*
winter moss
one bubble doesnt cut that deep into your rotation that you can justify 25k on a mythic boss
tropic ocean
Easily 50k+
turbid osprey
Mmhm, true
winter moss
i did 25k on mythic grong first kill
tropic ocean
Like when we 2 phased it first time over a month ago with no 65 neck
In shield down everyone 55-60k dps
If you are doing this dps you are not playing the strat correct
winter moss
^
tropic ocean
as in not having ur cds when shield breaks
turbid osprey
People not holding cds properly?
tropic ocean
Yep
tropic ocean
Dh priest hunter lock are the issue
If each does 10k more in shield down boss will die and ur killtime will be 15-20s lower
Than when u wiped
winter moss
ngl im not sure about your standard on char equipment but some of your member should reconsider gear choices aswell
i recommend raidbots.com
winter moss
i mean no issues that big than the forementioned 4 people
turbid osprey
Yeah
winter moss
left is your lock
right is r1 log as affliction on ashvane
i mean yeah you can blame it on luck or rng
but thats not enough to justify that kind of dmg
same goes for stat distribution
but that turns into #wow-general
keep it nice and sin-related so im gonna stop now
turbid osprey
Yee, ty for your help guys, I’ll make the point that we’ve got a lot to work on
tropic ocean
gl!
peak surge
Anyone have extensive use of Bote vs Iris in like +18's - +20's? Just curious if bote is worth the farm in the end. Been using Iris in pretty much every key buy finally starting to feel a fall off on like 19 tyrannical keys.
winter moss
depends on preference i guess
peak surge
I mostly blame my lack of Azerite to pick from and 435 weapon, but just wanted to see if there was like substantial evidence on one over the other.
peak surge
Running like Bote major, CnS, lucid or?
rigid mango
Bote is better in literally every way
And yeah, optimally you'd run bote + lucid strife
peak surge
Unlucky the grind it is then.
winter moss
gl
turbid osprey
Least it’s a nerfed grind
winter moss
wdym
turbid osprey
Down to 30k now
inland plover
nah with 50% less due to merc nerf around the same
peak surge
Yeah the nerf is nice it's not an overly large grind I got rank 2 last time it was bg. Just wanted to insure it was worth the time investment, over other things.
turbid osprey
Did you get to do the epic bg quests more than once though?
frigid sleet
is there any ressources on how to properly use ashvane trinket for m+ as sin ?
dark crag
Put it on a mob, the mob dies, you get stacks, put it on the next
frigid sleet
do you need to not swap out of it to get stacks faster ? should you focus a mob that will die before others so you get benefit ?
kinda defeat the purpose of prio damage that I aim to do in m+ for weeks like this one with bolstering
dark crag
Don't worry about it too much
tropic ocean
If u want a trinket for prio dmg
Use punchcard instead of coral, its also good on bosses
dark crag
It comes down to pulls, affixes, how sober is the tank, do the moon start a new cycle. Or in simple words, put it on a mob you focus for stacks
left moth
which 3 essences would you recommend for m+ as assas
dark crag
Bote lucid strife, all r3
left moth
i dont have strife, how about purification protocol?
dense cedar
yo my brain forgot something, our bleeds aren't snapshot are they?
winter moss
the only thing snapshots is exsanguinate
whole dew
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > vers => mastery > haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.
polar cape
Dynamic except for nightstalker iirc
winter moss
^
but nightstalker is not a viable option right now and we will cross that bridge when we get there
rigid mango
Ofc, sub and ss too.
noble temple
so with plumeage and coral what order to use em?
loud silo
Does haste still snapshot bleeds or has that been removed?
severe sedge
anyone know statweights for 3EB on Orgo?
loud silo
ah okay sorry didnt see
rigid mango
As much crit as you can get
And when not crit, vers
But I wouldn't recommend using that build 😄
left moth
2nd echoing blades or blightborne infusion for m+?
rain pewter
Prolly blightborne? But that would depend on other stats and traits i guess 🙂
left moth
aight ty, yeah this is a tough one
tropic ocean
2eb good this week too
so if its not the same piece take the one with 3rd ring better trait
devout thicket
i got rank 3 COF, rank 2 iris, rank 1 lucid - for ST should I stick to COF major, iris minor, or should I use lucid minor instead? Simming tells me COF + iris, but I'm not sure how accurate it is for lucid.
strong thistle
is it worth it to get 2 pieces of benthic to 425 or get all my benthic to 420?
cloud seal
Do you think having 2x Loyal is better then 1 loyal 1 NP?
devout thicket
also not sure if this or general should be the place for this, but for mythic TEP first 3 bosses, which mechanics can I cheese with cloak? is there maybe a resource for this somewhere which I could check?
turbid osprey
first boss overflow
tropic ocean
@strong thistle first upgrade the wrist/gloves/belt (phys proc one) for rest gear compare
turbid osprey
2nd boss the piercing barb thing
tropic ocean
but probably 2x 420 > 1x 425
devout thicket
Thanks @turbid osprey. I also found this (https://www.wowhead.com/guides/assassination-rogue-eternal-palace-raid-tips-bfa) so I will check everything 🙂
tropic ocean
they are
but the upgrading only increases the dmg a little bit
compared to the proc items
so they should be upgraded last in comparison to wrist belt gloves
usually do them to 410~415 and leave em while doing rest to 420
verbal knot
Hello friends. I finally got Mythic Ashvane last night. I had questions for gorgonzola. How hard should I focus adds? I know it will be up to the raid leader, but he usually asks me for AOE fights if I think it's worth focusing adds (Like Ashvane bubbles)
royal lantern
almost every raidgroup has enough dmg too kill the adds in time
nocturne gate
what ur team need
royal lantern
people just need too actually do what they need too do
verbal knot
Here's hoping lol
cloud seal
Does Loyal to the end simulate as if u lose people sometimes? Have a choice between 2x Loyal or 1x Loyal 1x NP
verbal knot
I stopped helping with bubbles on Ashvane after I spoke with my RL because I felt like I was giving up significant damage on boss for mediocre AOE on bubbles
I believe it just simulates up to 4 people in the raid with you having it
verbal knot
It was our first kill doing two phase and I pulled 49 so I felt pretty good about that
we killed her literally while she was casting the bubble haha
tropic ocean
unless desperately needed shouldn't do anything on bubbles as sin
verbal knot
yeah, I offered to go Outlaw if they felt like we really needed my damage on them
tropic ocean
if they are positioned properly on boss dh warr mage etc etc should rip them anyway
obtuse sequoia
what % is ideal for crit, haste and mastery to have?
tropic ocean
@obtuse sequoia raidbots.com
arctic walrus
No
dusty crow
guys, quick question: (sin main, offspec outlaw for m+ fortified). What spec for gorgonzola prog?
assuming my gear is pretty much the same for both
odd heath
It depends on your raid roster @dusty crow . If your comp lacks spriests, fire mages, warriors, I'd say outlaw for add dmg. If you need more boss dmg go sin. My guild comp is 2 spriests, 1 warrior, 1 fire mage, so I go SIN because add dmg is pretty much covered
dusty crow
thanks man
steady owl
is cowl of fluid machinations good? i guess it depends ont he other pieces and trait combos you have, but is it something people try and roll for?
obtuse sequoia
3x ss/ 1x eb/ilk/bb for azerite traits?
quasi pewter
fluid machinations is very good for m+ since it has eb and ss
steady owl
yeah with it and goraks and blackwater i can get 3ss, 1eb, 1bb, and ttk or loyal to the end
quasi pewter
well for m+ you dont want loyal obviously
unless ur whole group is running it somehow
steady owl
i dont think that happens too often
i was using 3ss 1eb 2ttk, im not sure whats best
the shoulder and head piece where 435 though so i guess im trying out this new gear with all 3 450
shrewd depot
If I'm pairing Coral and Font, when am I re-activating for crit buff?
plain moon
If you go sin for orgozoa you will be stuck with a cursed parse forever. Feels very bad
tropic ocean
wdym cursed
upper canyon
if you just smack boss as assassin you wont get a phat parse is what he's saying
true nexus
Wouldn't you be competing against other sins tho
upper canyon
ones that took EB and aoe'd hard
royal lantern
hmmmm
wath do you tking about switching the DD on slithering loa with ttk for orgozoa
true nexus
I wish details would let you remove a certain mob from dps meters
or a certain spell
like the cannon in TD or the conscripts in sethralis
just like right click, ignore this mob/this spell id
royal lantern
you can actually
royal lantern
it was the 2nd day, but just felt like
dd is wasted cus i spam fok all the time
last wipe was 21mutilate cast vs 31 envenoms
upper canyon
are you trying to slap boss or hit adds
royal lantern
why the fuck would i take ttk too hit adds
upper canyon
better than DD
tropic ocean
you don't actively dps adds
with envenom mutilate
reason being it is a dps loss and also you want the adds to die equally
royal lantern
right now all i do is 2x rupture on adds, then spam fok>envenom on boss
vestal dagger
We’re on Orgozoa right now. After the first several pulls you realize that you need that boss damage and as assassination that’s your job = probably not great parse
royal lantern
yeha, ik
i just wanted too know if its worth it too replace dd on my head with ttk lol
prisma creek
Can anyone maybe look over one of my logs and give me some advice? The damage yield of multiple attempts show only negligible improvements and I am truly not happy with what I got here on my hands so far. But I don't know where my error are.
*errors
rigid mango
You missed 4 TB casts in the entire fight, you didn't use font and coral together properly
You used muti on too high CP atleast once
prisma creek
okay... I'll have an eye on that... thx
verbal knot
couple other things, I looked through some of the other fights like here
rigid mango
Sup tryan
fathom wyvern
any specific things to save cds for or do as sin on court?
rigid mango
Yes?
royal lantern
im thinking about switching the dd with ttk
verbal knot
oh I can't link pics I guess
fathom wyvern
or just use everything when it comes up
rigid mango
Use as normal
verbal knot
your opener you use Rupture during MA window
royal lantern
cus it feels like im never really casting mutilate
verbal knot
And you Vanish, then TB
rigid mango
I mean
You're supposed to use rupture in MA window there
If you mean after first muti
And using vanish > tb or tb > vanish is a menial diff that'll even out to near no diff in the end
verbal knot
You don't want to shoot for 2 envenoms during TB?
royal lantern
eh,im still trying too figure out stuff
rigid mango
But that doesn't mean you don't use rupture there
If you're talking about the literal first couple of GCD's in the start
royal lantern
like i said, right now im doing 2xrupture on adds and then fok>envenom on boss
but still trying too figure out if its not better too just say fk it, 100%ignore adds, let the others do it
rigid mango
Ignore them
You just blast boss
https://gyazo.com/a3b3fa9d7acf0be33fa24c6890020aff You could change tb and vanish
sure
but this is a fine opener
or did you mean something else @verbal knot ?
royal lantern
thx zine ❤
verbal knot
I could be wrong, I swear the guide said Mut Env if with 4 CP
rigid mango
It doesn't.
verbal knot
Yeah I see that now
prisma creek
@rigid mango so you mean... first vanish then tb or what do you mean with that?
rigid mango
So if you take the screenie I sent as an example
after rupture, you'll gain min 2 from muti (odds are 3-4 since you're still in MA window), 1 cp from garrote, 1 from tb
That will put you in finishing range even if you have the shittest RNG
And if you don't, using vanish before that TB
is just making it a higher chance to crit, which in the end is just overcap CP
So essentially you'd want to use vanish between TB and the first env
But like I said, the diff is very small and since it's all probablity, it'll probs even out
prisma creek
ahhh... okay... makes sense...
prisma creek
well... I see that... okay...
verbal knot
My whole life is a lie.
patent sail
Hey guys i was wondering how do i use coral in m+ dungeons just off cd?
verbal knot
Use it on your primary target on CD yeah, just let them die with it I believe. but now I doubt myself!
arctic walrus
!coral
prisma monolithBOT
The way to use coral in M+ is using it on your priority target,
and then whenever that target dies, reapply it to your next target.
Whenever your target dies it gives you the crit it would give from using it,
so consuming the stacks for crit mid pack is generally suboptimal.
hoary crown
I need some help duuds, The onloy upgrade I can get from Titan residuum in shoulder slot is Gorak tuls, should I still gamble for it or do the huge fcking farm up to 200k ??!!
rigid mango
Depends on your prios
hoary crown
wdym ? 🙂
From what I can see from the sim now tho, I gain 950ish dps from the helm from za'qul but I have a chance at getting a 1,5k dps increase with one of the residum helms O.o
While gorak tul is a 500 increase
well getting the shoulders atm ;PP
yeah I am! 🙂 at za'qul atm!
ahh aiight so just go ham on the gambling then!
Thx mate! 🙂
hahaha xD! I wish it was some kind of bug getting gorak on outlaw!
well im off to the vendor now
wish me good luck!
cosmic shoal
Good Luck!
hoary crown
well fuck :/
yy I did 😉 why tho 😉
Ahh that must be it! ;DD
Running around with a HC coral and no gorak tuls I must be the unluckiest rogue ever O.o
distant lava
nah bud
glacial crypt
What raid trinkets would you guys use in pvp?:)) for assa, of course
fallow star
inkpod is half decent against healers
rigid mango
It's dispellable tho aint it?
Also, pvp questions normally land in #pvp
You'll have better luck there
river zinc
do you guys run Worldvein for your 3rd minor or are the sims wrong, because of up time assumption
fallow star
worldvein is amazing if you have lots using it
rigid mango
Never
It's a simbait
Even if you have enough people using it
How realistic is it you can have that uptime on it?
Not at all.
fallow star
each to their own then
rigid mango
I'll stick to not using garbage 😉
rigid mango
Yah
short token
so i'm confused reading the pin, but for BOTE we pop it after vendetta and toxic blade but before vanish?
arctic walrus
mhm
heavy haven
how are people doing with multidotting queens court? are you trying for maximum uptime? i feel like i lose precious seconds running if i dont have SS
mythic i mean
fleet whale
i think a lot of people are just sticking to one target and only multi-dotting if the other boss goes by
short token
ok ty
scarlet sequoia
np
short token
so if we vendetta + TB and we're not at 4+ combo points do we mut until at least 4 and then vanish envenom?
*with BOTE
scarlet sequoia
you dont do that
you always get to 3-4 combo points before going into vendetta + tb
short token
ok i'm seeing that now
arctic walrus
If you follow the opener correctly you will always have enough for 4-5
short token
in the rotation
heavy haven
ty @fleet whale
honest needle
is there something u can buy for alts to get rep faster with mechagon
someone said there was something u can buy
i forgot what it was
royal lantern
you can buy rep tokens
royal lantern
the crafting robot....?
honest needle
does any 1 kno whats the blue print is called to buy rep with mechagon
nm wrong channel
true nexus
any tips for mythic zaqul }
arctic walrus
Don't die
arctic walrus
Maybe a little but the large majority of the fight you don't have 80% haste
So it's still worth imo
brisk hound
Hey all, was looking to the community for some help on how to improve on mythic Ashvane
Haven't killed her, but I am averaging around 40k, tried comparing logs, and just don't understand what I am doing wrong
Let me know if anyone has some time to look at logs and offer some suggestions
harsh sphinx
