assassination

[rigid mango]

Titanforging is a thing, sockets are a thing

50k+ sims are pretty current, I suppose

[tropic ocean]

with current gear im saying, its what? 7 or 8th? week

so with the gear you aquired since mythic release it should be very possible to 2 phase the boss, also with neck progression(like everyone should have r3 clf now and/or neck 65) and higher azerite

but you know theres very different types of players

[shut garnet]

yep agreed, but your average progression guild as of right now, key word, will most likely not 2 phase assuming theyve only started mythic like last week

anyway back to sin

[rigid mango]

Your average guild should be 2 phasing, right now

[shut garnet]

are the shoulders from radiance pretty much bis for m+

and gorak tuls bis for st raid

[rigid mango]

Depends on your other pieces

[warm sable]

We are 2 phaseing it and i use coral+ink activating coral on 32-31% because if ink dont crit you can trow it in trash :)

[young portal]

Thanks for the input guys👍

[lethal heart]

radiance shoulders aren't that great for m+ for assa rogue

scent is weak trait and loyal isn't good without other people using it

[shut garnet]

what about outlaw, doesnt it have

ds ace

[lethal heart]

yes they're really good for outlaw

[shut garnet]

and guessing same for blackwater vest from behemoth

[lethal heart]

it's good yes

outlaw is much more flexible when it comes to pieces

[ember rover]

Inkpod is also really good for fights where you have to swap targets too many times.

Think: Azhsara.

[lethal heart]

inkpod is decent on azshara ye

[ember rover]

Since you swap targets too many times and can't stack up Coral, inkpod can perform better.

[lethal heart]

gives you lots of free damage in last phase

but so is font/coral on azshara

font is particularly amazing

because you always have to line at some points anyawy/have some intermissions where you afk

[ember rover]

Ye font + ink seem to be decent combo for Azshara.

[lethal heart]

so channeling trinket comes easy

[tropic ocean]

behemoth chest is very decent in m+ if you dont need/want 3eb

[shut garnet]

na i run 3ttk 2eb mostly

[rigid mango]

Coral + font still seems best on azshara tbh

[lethal heart]

coral is kind of meh

[shut garnet]

assa feels so much more reliable on m+ pieces than raid ones

[tropic ocean]

it is

[shut garnet]

kinda sad sincr the only way to get those is rng rolls

[rigid mango]

But you don't want to use inkpod without coral

[lethal heart]

thing about coral on azshara is you get the sick overlap of font + coral only once in the fight

[rigid mango]

Alteast that feels worse imo

[lethal heart]

yea that's true

[rigid mango]

And font is giga blast on azshara

[lethal heart]

ye font is must have on azshara

or well

use it if you have it

[rigid mango]

So I'd just auto equip coral

[lethal heart]

it's not like you can't kill boss without it, obv you can

[rigid mango]

There's just no reason unequip it

[lethal heart]

yea just nature of the fight makes font really good

ye

i was wondering if coral is worth

but then my coral was 450 and my inkpod was only 430

[ember rover]

Ye but I'm having difficulties chosing between inkpod and coral.

[rigid mango]

Mixed feelings about blood v clf

[lethal heart]

blood is better

3 minute cds are not good for azshara

if you play blood essence

you get to use it on pull/start of p2/once in p3 (depending if you use cds on 1st add or 2nd add)/twice in p4

whereas if you play clf

you get to use it

on pull/p2/ and then you have to choose if you wanna use it in p3 and then get non bloodlust clf

in p4

but even then its kind of weak burst cd

it's nice for sustained damage

that's what it feels like

and azshara rewards you doing more burst damage

since you dont always have 100% uptime/stuff is supposed to die really fast

[edgy pawn]

do you think it's worth keeping the pufferfish benthic bracers over the frost ones?

[lethal heart]

depends if you have all of the other pieces

[rigid mango]

The diff is smol enough for me to not care

[lethal heart]

or no

[edgy pawn]

finally got one with socket after ages and wondering if i should keep rolling

have all the other ones, but only at 420 yet

[lethal heart]

difference is really small

like 70dps?

[scarlet sequoia]

everything matters

[edgy pawn]

they sim exactly the same for me

[lethal heart]

sure

but getting wrists is extremely difficult

[scarlet sequoia]

if u dont have every other piece then just keep pufferfish for now

if u have every other piece then keep rolling

[lethal heart]

i think you should upgrade them maybe to 415/420 and in the meantime still do mana pearl content on alts

if you are doing that on alts

[shut garnet]

i think i rolled all my benthic bis socketted within like 15 rolls for each

luckbox

[edgy pawn]

yeah, only on two though

[lethal heart]

yee that's good enough

it's still

~30 mana pearls a day on average

on one character

[edgy pawn]

aight, thanks for the advice

[lethal heart]

to come back to clf vs blood on azshara

i think difference isnt gamechanging and it's a bit of personal preference but i'm gonna give a little edge to blood

[shut garnet]

ive heard sometimes its not optimal to just wait on stacks for coral because after a certain % crit chance you kinda "lose on dps" in a way

is that statement valid

and if so how many stacks should be "enough" for you to pull, or is it always a case of waiting for the 2nd vendetta no matter what

[rigid mango]

wdym

[lethal heart]

in what case tho

[rigid mango]

You just use with vend

that simple.

[lethal heart]

unless you manage to get 15 stacks in 40 seconds

i dont thnik you wanna press it before your vendetta

[rigid mango]

Tried and tested, you just use with vend

[ember rover]

Yes, you can get crit capped, but as Assa, since your CDs are 2 minutes, no way you can reach the crit cap of coral in 2 mins.

[rigid mango]

And even if you do

the gain/loss is minimal

[shut garnet]

ah okay

that makes sense

is it possible to reach 100% btw

with blood

[ember rover]

I usually get to 12-15 stacks in 2 minutes.

[shut garnet]

and coral

[ember rover]

Which is waaaaaaaay below crit cap.

For some reason, it procs more when I play outlaw.

Dunno if feelycraft

[shut garnet]

probably hecause you cast more in AR windows on outlaw

[ember rover]

Or if it really has different RPPM as outlaw.

[shut garnet]

since you have a bl going every 40s ish

[rigid mango]

You just hit more buttons as outlaw

more buttons = more chances to proc

You don't pool, you don't stop

AR lowers GCD, so more procs

seems simple to me

[ember rover]

So I`m not imagining things.

[stuck knoll]

Nah it’s rppm but outlaw has a lot more haste built in

[rigid mango]

You're not

They have alacrity + AR

And a generally faster spec

[shut garnet]

but still less dps 🤣

[rigid mango]

Obviously they'd get more procs on somethign along those lines

same for inkpod, I'd assume.

[lethal heart]

it's just haste/attack speed

[ember rover]

Usually by the 2 minute mark on Za'qul I would get around 15 stacks as Assa and over 20 as Outlaw.

Consistently.

[scarlet sequoia]

zaqul is different

u cant use coral as scripted as other bosses

or shouldnt at least

[ember rover]

Yea, I would use it when boss was in the 20 sec window of more dmg taken.

[shut garnet]

wouldnt you just take delirium to line it up with your vendetta

[lethal heart]

yee zaqul is different beast since you play vision minor

or people dont do it anymore

[low prism]

hi guys, how do you suggest to sim Orgozoa ?

[scarlet sequoia]

for delirium you'd probably just use coral on whatever echo your guild is struggling the most to kill

[rigid mango]

4t patchwerk @low prism

[low prism]

ty

[young portal]

Make sure to tick aberration too

@low prism

[rigid mango]

I think I should save coral for 2nd echo

first one always dies fast enough

[ember rover]

^

[scarlet sequoia]

dont you lust the 2nd echo

[ember rover]

Exactly this

[scarlet sequoia]

idk how delirium works

[rigid mango]

Nah

[ember rover]

We had huge problems with 2nd echo.

[rigid mango]

we lust after 70%

[scarlet sequoia]

aha

[ember rover]

Coral for 2nd actually makes a huge difference.

[rigid mango]

So we hit 2nd puncture with lust upstairs

and 3 ppl with delirium downstairs

We don't wait for overlap anymore and just go balls to the walls from the start

Zerg the boss instead of doing anything special

I just get cds on pull, 1st delirium, 1st echo, and then 2nd echo

[ember rover]

You get cds for 1st and 2nd echo?

[rigid mango]

Well, both vend and bote, eyah

[ember rover]

I find that I have less than 10 stacks of corla for 2nd echo.

[rigid mango]

Hence vision

[ember rover]

OOOH

Makes sense.

[rigid mango]

I'm unsure about coral usage though

Font is whack too, tbh

I might just coral first one, font and coral 2nd

Font aligns weirdly

[ember rover]

I dunno, I can't seem to align them properly with both echoes.

And first echo disappears, so I just save them for 2nd.

[rigid mango]

Yeah I just normally end up not using font nor vanish for first one

Feels stupid af

but it doesn't matter, anyways

All we need is some of my damage, and the demo carries anyways

[frigid briar]

Zine with your tactic do you want boss damage or meter damage?

We legit killed it with zerg strat last week

[rigid mango]

wdym

I just blast boss

Rupture smol things sometimes if I feel frisky

[frigid briar]

Well if all you care about is boss damage like me then

[stuck knoll]

It’s kinda fucky tbh

[rigid mango]

I mean I play sin

[stuck knoll]

Cuz we want to blast the boss

[rigid mango]

It's me and other sin rogue top boss damage every pull

[frigid briar]

You inside for echos?

[stuck knoll]

But at the same time we’ve had too much damage

[rigid mango]

Both, aye

and 70% delirium too

[frigid briar]

See we found it better to just send 3 locks in

[stuck knoll]

We only have one

[rigid mango]

Don't have 3 locks 🤷

[frigid briar]

And I went into last delerium before the boss dies

[stuck knoll]

But anyway we’re a bit off topic

[rigid mango]

Yeh sure

I mean, It's a bit fucky with CD alignment, i wont lie

I'm unsure why my font feels up so late

I think we get psychotic split like, 5~ sec too early for font to be used on first

[frigid briar]

Thats what happened for me aswell

[rigid mango]

I suppose just wait for 2nd one

and blast that one, we don't need hte damage on first anyways

prob just pop coral and everything else

[modest raft]

@marble elm

[lethal heart]

coral on 2nd echo makes sense

because on 1st one you have vanish

[rigid mango]

I don't, for some reason

I think I just coral first, vanish 2nd with font

[last ingot]

whats the best essence for 3rd slot for m+?

[warm sable]

For Lady Ashvane (2 phase fight) somewhere i saw pocket trinket better than font+coral and coral+ink ... anyone know is that true ? Because i think font+coral will be better

[cobalt pelican]

if you have font/coral play it

if you're lusting 2nd break i probably wouldn't consume coral stacks on 1min break though

[distant lava]

if you 2 phase it you normally lust on first break

[cobalt pelican]

we do 2nd normally, don't think it really matters tbh

you have all 2mins and 3 mins regardless on both but one is during execute for execute classes + dhs have meta back but it's a super negligible difference either way

[winter aurora]

guys wanted to ask u about BotE usage on bosses in opener when i have Shrouded Suffocation / toxic blade build, like i open garrote rupture garrote vendetta toxic, and i guess we should use bote right after the vendetta in opener?

[distant lava]

I'm guessing you still BotE env mut env

[rigid mango]

With shrouded you do:
Garrote
Rupture
Garrote
Vendetta
TB
Blood
Env
Mut to 4+
Env

[winter aurora]

got it! thx a lot guys

[vast forum]

I'd put that blood before tb

Higher chance for tb to crit, leaving you at 5cp, and you have bote for the entire tb window anyway

[bleak spoke]

if you do it after though you can get 3 envenoms in the buff dam window

if lucky

[vast forum]

?

[rigid mango]

The sims said that bote after was better

[bleak spoke]

the 25% damage amp

only lasts 5 globals innit

considering how much crit you play with m+ where you'd run shrouded builds i think it makes sense kinda

[vast forum]

It's still only like 60% crit

Relying on both muts to double crit is just playing with rng

[bleak spoke]

like 65% before procs for me

[vast forum]

Still

65% crit = ~40% for double crit muti

[bleak spoke]

also you're assuming there aren't fok targets

where you can do env fok env fok env

[vast forum]

We're talking st opener

[bleak spoke]

assumed m+ bosses in general

[vast forum]

In aoe opener you do 3x gar, not gar rup gar

[bleak spoke]

depends on smallies

[rigid mango]

http://prntscr.com/p0r0ac

Even if you're not double critting one

It's better that way round

[bleak spoke]

wait

do you not get it for 5 globals

just 4?

[vast forum]

Yes

[bleak spoke]

okay then yoppa's actually right

if you want to gamble

[vast forum]

5 sec = 4 globals

[rigid mango]

Well, sims say no

[bleak spoke]

IF YOU WANT TO HAVE ZE BEEG DEECK

if i always gamble with my crit this tier

there's just enough of it that the gain value seems worth

the difference is probably tiny, but the peak is higher

[wet ruin]

with bote after tb you always get 2 envenoms

[vast forum]

True that

[bleak spoke]

nah but i always crit my mutilates

🙂

[vast forum]

Might be the reason why it's better

[rigid mango]

Pretty sure that is

If it even is

[bleak spoke]

like if i played with DD

[rigid mango]

Looking at that sequence and what I've TC'd before

[bleak spoke]

i would definitely do it after

[rigid mango]

It might actually not be best

[vast forum]

In that case, bote before tb is the actual gamble

[bleak spoke]

like cuz if you have DD

[rigid mango]

And just the fact that the APL isn't entirelycorrect

[bleak spoke]

then you want to do the DD chance

[rigid mango]

I cba fucking around withthe APL though

I did it already, lost my mind, never again.

Where's muh APL slaves

[vast forum]

I'll keep feeling my way through mythic raiding and m+, fuck sims

[wet ruin]

bote after tb should be correct

[vast forum]

But it reduces the number of effective globals in tb from 8 to 7 reeeee

[wet ruin]

if you do bote -> tb then you do tb -> env -> mut -> env if you are lucky or tb->env -> mut-> mut

if you are not

[bleak spoke]

Idk that view makes sense yeah

[wet ruin]

while with bote after tb you always do 2 mut + 2 env

[bleak spoke]

If you play with many ttks you can’t live your best life doing it after kinda

[rigid mango]

Feelycraft 👉 🚪

[vast forum]

This is one of those things where logic can't help because both sides make sense, it's just about the math

[bleak spoke]

You’ll always be short that last env :^)

We’re talking max theoretical output here not

[vast forum]

Feelycraft

[bleak spoke]

Avg dmg

[rigid mango]

I fucking hate bote opener with MA

[vast forum]

I'm talking feelies and you can't stop me

[bleak spoke]

Idk I played condensed in raid now anyway though

[rigid mango]

Yeah but zaq + azsh

is blood on both

So kinda stuck to it now

[bleak spoke]

Yeah I think blood on zaqul

[rigid mango]

Is a hard nobrainer

You can argue clf can be better on azsh

but I think blood is generally better

[vast forum]

You can't kill your fellow rogue in delirium with clf tho

[rigid mango]

Dw, our priests seem to be killing us before we can one another

[bleak spoke]

You can if you get really lucky with pbomb

[rigid mango]

Also yoppa quote of the century

http://prntscr.com/p0r5yp

[bleak spoke]

Lool

[stuck knoll]

Mad tilt

[rigid mango]

Good night and good bye

[bleak spoke]

Why are the priests dotting you

Their st doesn’t go up

[rigid mango]

Braindamage, mostly

[stuck knoll]

I tried to explain that to our mage

He just shouted at me

[bleak spoke]

In fact losing that global means it goes down

[stuck knoll]

He’s a bit pepega

[bleak spoke]

are they drain bramaged

[rigid mango]

[vast forum]

Priest doesn't dot us on purpose tbh

[bleak spoke]

wrong

[vast forum]

He just randomly tabs to us

[bleak spoke]

WHY

ARE

THEY

[vast forum]

Once every 4-5 pulls

[bleak spoke]

SWAPPIN

[rigid mango]

Just fun to see mindsear on yoppa and we wipe

[bleak spoke]

why

are they

mind searing

i am officially triggled on your behalf

[rigid mango]

over 100 pulls on zaq btw

[vast forum]

Do you not see the quote of the century above

[bleak spoke]

ever jk ruin a kill pull by pking someone

[vast forum]

I didn't need others to be triggered for me

[bleak spoke]

if you ever get seared just cloak and step to him and kidney

kill's over anyway

LOL

[rigid mango]

Should just run IB and kidney him for extra dps

(:

[bleak spoke]

don't even kill him just blind off kidney

too bad you can't van and sap off blind pepelaugh

[worldly iron]

assassination btw

[rigid mango]

"run ib and kidney for extra dps"

I see no issue here.

[bleak spoke]

yeah theoretically it's a dps gain to kidney pepega

fucking SMILE

[cobalt gyro]

@bleak spoke step > vanish> garrote with iron wire

fuck that guy

[rigid mango]

[bleak spoke]

BIG true

kidney into blind and then van for the double dot play shrouded fuck it

[cobalt gyro]

bonus of fucking his parse from the silence and -15% dmg

[bleak spoke]

that's 19 seconds he can sit and think about whether he should be mindsearing somene

in delirium 🙂

[cobalt gyro]

make a weakaura to yell at you if he does it too

so you can react insta

[bleak spoke]

get gladiatorSA so whether you're down there you can hear the casts xd

MIND SEAR!?

get a macro /cast [@idiotpriest] Shadowstep /cast [@idiotpriest] kidney shot

you're 100 pulls in might as well troll if they're trolling

[cobalt gyro]

wait i just realized you could add another 6s to that

by kickinh him after all the CC

lock him out for 6s

[bleak spoke]

and then kidney again off kick

[cobalt gyro]

ya

[bleak spoke]

or if you have your partner blind off kick

and then garrote silence again

then you have a full duration kidney

again

[cloud iris]

#pvp ? 😂

[bleak spoke]

this is zaqul delirium realm

if this were pvp you'd sap off blind 🙂

[lost wharf]

Do you even live through 19sec of cc in delirium?

I bet you get raped by a tentacle or something of that sort

[rigid mango]

You can live over a minute

[lost wharf]

Really? Well you gotta set up the cc properly so he gets slammed by a tentacle I guess

[vast forum]

I think blind gets broken by delirium dot tho

[lost wharf]

Kidney doesn't tho I bet 😄

[real bay]

is it worth running low haste for zaqul?

[vast forum]

i try to drop some

[visual quartz]

pistoleers shoulders 2 gambles in a row...shit should not be allowed

[rigid mango]

BiS for m+

🤷

[distant lava]

wouldn't orgo shoulders be better ?

[modest mason]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[marble elm]

@modest raft chicken

[teal stratus]

Is there a wa that shows when double dose occurs?

[worldly furnace]

do you multi dot on queens court or do you find the movement makes it not worth it?

[latent gazelle]

Went outlaw on Zaq because my GM decided to send arms warrior down instead of sin.

Fells bad when he sends MM hunter down over me to. Might be the play but feels bad when I can outlive our Spriest

[civic palm]

@teal stratus Whaddaya need that for?

[teal stratus]

just would be cool to see thats all 😄

[civic palm]

Would be very spammy.

[teal stratus]

fair haha, but I just like to know when it happens

[arctic walrus]

Got to your details, make a new window, select DD and watch its damage go up every mut

[teal stratus]

fair guess I could do that 👌

[turbid osprey]

when bubbles spawn on m ashvane im not dotting them atm, just fok envenoming them

yea or nay

feels like they live for ~10 seconds or so

[arctic walrus]

I usually throw 1-2 low cp ruptures on them

don't even have to fok just mut boss and spread rupture

[gloomy slate]

^

when they die, you get energy back as well

[turbid osprey]

ahk, ty for tip

also, running coral/inkpod

im assumign save coral for inkpod proc

rather than using 1 min in or so when i pop cds for the first time

[coarse solar]

You can use coral several times

Pop on pull and use first set for first cooldowns, then save it up for inkpod maybe

and ofc with MA you get 50% crit on Vanish if you really need it

[distant lava]

no

it doesn't work

[coarse solar]

oh MA doesn't work on inkpod?

Never had it

[rigid mango]

MA only works on rogue abilities

just like tb, just like vendetta

they're all whitelisted abilities

[turbid osprey]

tbh

dps isnt why we're not killing this right now :p

trying to 2 phase and we're getting it to 70% when second shield goes up lol

because everyones dying to beams somehow 😄

[opal meadow]

can anyone look at my logs and tell me if i'm fucking anything up https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/frHvXwVN6Wyg9kjZ/#fight=17&type=damage-done&source=88

context: doing 2 phase strategy, not using CDs on pull, using coral on pull, fonting when boss has ~3% on shield, popping vendetta n CLF, and then wait for 2nd break before doing it all over again

[turbid osprey]

did you mean to coral at the end of your first vendetta?

or did you pop coral before you vendettad and it isnt showing up

[opal meadow]

i kinda use coral at the end of vendetta

i need to use it sooner

its on cd because of font so i forget about it :^)

[rigid mango]

If you're confused about font + coral usage

read the paragraph in #tc-updates

[opal meadow]

ah ok

makes sense. I've been thinking about holding coral till 2nd burn

sometimes im only getting like 6-8 stacks in the first minute, when i hold till 2nd burn i end up with ~30

[turbid osprey]

yeah coral font fucks with me too sometimes

im just using inkpod instead of font on this lol

[opal meadow]

I don't have 😦

[pale cave]

When is force multiplier better than Deadly on mainhand dagger?

[shy dust]

when it sims better

try simming it.

[pale cave]

raidbots?

[shy dust]

Yep

[pale cave]

ok thanks simming now

Simming better for single target than M+ looks like and by a very negligible amount

[rigid mango]

m

m+* sims for sin are very mediocre

I'd not use them as an actual base for your setups

[pale cave]

well you gotta do something

[rigid mango]

For m+ you're better off asking people in here

[pale knot]

anyone know how the quartermaster's prizes tokens work ? do you get 440 thorpy or does it scale with raiting?

[rigid mango]

I'd recommend asking in #wow-general

[summer moon]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5SL52ErgWhCtZHyGYmyQQ4

[shut garnet]

does blightborne really sim higher than np damn

[vapid scarab]

it's not the first NP so

[placid mulch]

1 np 1 bbi better than 2 np forever

[bleak spoke]

When I had no np it was still better than first np a week or two ago

[lost horizon]

Yeah I've seen that as well, but in that case it's usually pretty close

[next reef]

on ashvane are you guys using vendetta on pull or during the first burn phase?

[true nexus]

woo i just got aotc and someone traded me a heroic font

pog

[next reef]

@true nexus lucky

[arctic walrus]

CDs on ashvane just depend on what your group's strat is

[next reef]

my groups strat is clusterfuck and pray

[arctic walrus]

if you're trying to 2 phase, and saving cds, then you save it. if not then on pull

[next reef]

sounds good

thx

[edgy fulcrum]

Does EP buff things like coral and undulating tides?

[crisp hollow]

what would need to change for exsang to be the meta for assassination again? really loved the playstyle

[rigid mango]

DD

[fleet whale]

There is far more damage coming from poison sources, which is a big advantage for TB

but more than likely exsang is just gonna stay in the sin talent graveyard along with venom rush and blindside

[crisp hollow]

its use early in the xpac was due to SS being overtuned right?

[arctic walrus]

bleeds don't scale as well with mastery, as much as poisons due

also at the start of the xpac, haste levels are low, which is where exsang has an edge in

[fleet whale]

and even then, it wasn't even used that much

[sudden ocean]

Exsang also saw extensive use in low haste days as priority damage

That was its niche

[drifting cloud]

it was mostly because of single circle azerites and just mastery

[fleet whale]

i didn't even touch sin in the early uldir days, i played as sub cause of how gross sin played

when i got near full heroic gear i made the switch, and i didn't use exsang at all

[sudden ocean]

I used it on Vectis adds

that was it I believe

[fleet whale]

but yeah, looking at uldir 8.0 logs, many sin rogues still just went with TB, though there were a decent amount who went exsang

Exsangs true glory days was the legion pre-patch... the opener damage was insane... playstyle was not my favorite however

[marble elm]

Legion pre patch exsanguinate was like 400% increase

[dense cedar]

Got my second Font for Heroic last night

A hunter got to have it instead

[low junco]

imagine

gearing a hunter

♿

[strange python]

They didn’t let you keep it?!

[vestal wren]

i love how those loot concil stuff still exists

it seems stupid to give away loot if its an upgrade for you

[low junco]

loot council is weird aswell

people have been awarded for tmog while i needed for offspec/m+

maybe its just my guild

[bronze kelp]

getting no loot because of "you already do good dmg, but this 13% performer could need it more" is even harder :/

[vestal wren]

but i would say that's a social issue, blizz already made every attempt to discourage this

[vast forum]

Bring back master loot ty bb

[modern forge]

@rose perch I miss your mythic rogue guides and i'm sure there is thousands feeling the same 😛 came back to rogue please xD

[rose perch]

now that we're on farm i'll get to play a lot more rogue for keys and stuff so I'll try to get some guides out 😄

buuut for raid i'm afraid plans are a little different for me for the foreseeable future

speaking of which gotta change my nickname 😄

[dense cedar]

@strange python as I said its my 2nd one, I don't need two

[naive ridge]

for orgonzoa what wait will be better? aberattions or psychical?

[ember rover]

Aberration.

For me, the physical belt is usually 1% to 1.5% of my dmg, while the aberration belt is flat 2%, so in virtually any case it's better.

[naive ridge]

thank you

[crystal vault]

atm i am at queens court mythic progress, and i am one of the melees who has to "focus" pashmar. i am playing with coral but have to switch targets a lot since boss mechanics. should i play with other trinkets, someone with same problems, whats your thoughts?

[granite rampart]

how many melee do you have? melee should never have to focus pashmar from the beginning of the fight.

[crystal vault]

6

[granite rampart]

melee really should only have to focus pashmar when you get silivaz under ~35%.

now during stand alone it isnt bad with that much melee to step to the other boss. but you should never be on pashmar for long until first boss is under 35% and youve made it past the first obey or suffer

while hitting silivaz i found a nice rotation of using razor coral. used it on pull to stack up for 2nd vendetta on silivaz. then around that time you should be switching to pashmar and you can apply razor coral to pashmar at that time to start stacking for 3rd vendetta.

[crystal vault]

so, do you stick on pashmar after 2nd vendetta till end?

[granite rampart]

yea keep stacking on pashmar after 2nd. your 3rd and 4th vendettas should be on pashmar

[crystal vault]

hm why?

execute from ranges on silivaz ?

[granite rampart]

because most guild strats revolve around everyone focusing silivaz until about 30% so spriests have twist of fate and fire mages running execute talent can scorch for guaranteed crits and pyro the high one.

and as melee you pretty much hit the first one until around that 30% and then hard switch the other boss. dots and such will take the other boss lower so that when both bosses are under 10% your raid leader can fine tune damage so they both die at the same time.

[ember rover]

You still want to refresh your bleeds on it whenever sstep is off the cooldown.

[strange python]

Between Unbridled fury and Focused resolve, which one do you suggest for pure single target?

[shy dust]

Fury

[strange python]

ok thanks

[tropic ocean]

we played same strat

With one set of melees focusing sivaz and other set of melees pashmar

[desert vault]

435 vs 445 Gorak's is +500 dps, sounds right?

[distant lava]

probably

you can sim it you know

[shy dust]

Gear compare

[desert vault]

I am, just making sure it sounds right. Surprised that 445 Loa only beats the 435 Zaq head by +400. Trying to decide what to roll on 🙂

[shy dust]

Zaq Head is very good

[desert vault]

Got 445 blackwater, zaqul and gorak at 435 so its kind of like ...

prolly roll head since I'm using a 420 for m+

[distant lava]

I mean the sim knows better than us

[desert vault]

The all mighty sim 🙂

[tropic ocean]

🤷🏿‍♂️🤷🏿‍♂️🤷🏿‍♂️

[blissful storm]

If I have already "nothing personal" on a piece of the gear and on two other pieces I can choose another nothing personal or razan's fury and echoing blades is it better not to stack and choose other shitty trait or is it better to stack 2/3 nothing personal.

Yeah I already simmed and it says that the best dps is with 3 stacked nothing personal, but I dont think that sim is taking in consideration that energy regen is too high you you have it 2/3 stacked

[long anchor]

Energy regen from NP doesn’t stack. Just the damage. Rezan’s Fury is weak and EB does nothing in ST so just stack NP

[blissful storm]

ah ok, thanks

[hollow cloak]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[hallow coyote]

!azerite

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Azerite overview: https://bit.ly/2U86I7o

[desert vault]

hmm, prolly a 3x Eb, 2x ttk, 1x SS kind of week? bursting+volcanic

[cosmic pier]

god this week is so free

[nocturne gate]

should i play ss build or normal on queens court progress ?

[rigid mango]

Normal probably

[nocturne gate]

and can i solo the charge ?

[severe sedge]

prio corla over font with vendetta?

[cosmic pier]

whats the toy called that you can shadowstep to?

[wanton mirage]

Used to be puntable marmot or the mage staff image thing.

Havent done that in awhile so cant conform if it still works.

[lost horizon]

@severe sedge read the pins for font+coral usage

[marble elm]

racing flags

cloud serpent vendor has them

[fleet whale]

another week of garbage with the weekly chest and residium roll 😦

[long anchor]

Does simc calculate the DPET of envenom and TB with their buffs/debuffs or just the direct damage? Doing some sims with two crit/mast rings and the DPET of envenom and TB is higher with the higher mastery ring. Just not sure why that is

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cVEBsofEAdfeA7xnuwCm6R/simc

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/m3XaWcK2XihVap4w9t859i/simc

Sims for reference

[cobalt pelican]

dpet is direct damage only

[lost horizon]

Mastery also affects your envenom damage

[long anchor]

How?

[cobalt pelican]

because it do

[lost horizon]

Google sin rogue mastery and check affected spells

Env is nature (poison) damage

[rigid mango]

It's counted as a poison

So mastery increases its damage

[cobalt pelican]

mastery more than covers the difference for envenom, the difference for tb is so negligibly small that you'd probably get different results running it a couple of times

[long anchor]

That solves that then. Assumed mastery just affected deadly poisons, garrote, and rupture

[lost horizon]

Mastery also affects TB

Double dose too

[fleet whale]

and even poison bomb

[strange python]

how you guys simming for court?

[cobalt pelican]

basically just playing st and swapping out iris for the next best thing personally

which in my case was conflict, but flame is probably fine too

simming 2t patchwerk is misleading and simming 2t light movement is ultra duper super misleading so it's easier just to use regular patchwerk and some common sense

[strange python]

okay that sounds fair

simming for 6 min ? dont know how long the fight is, have the first pull in like 5 min

[cobalt pelican]

the fight is around 7minutes give or take a bit

enrage is 7:30 and you might get close to it if your guild is a little lower on damage

[strange python]

okay ty

[obtuse cedar]

Hey, I've got a few questions for Zacool as assa. I don't really know what to do with my cooldowns there. We only had 2 nights but I didn't have time to figure out what to do with CD. We were close to reaching the first shield of phase 4 (39% wipe). So far I was holding on pull, using vendetta with lust on first punctured darkness and then using right as we were phasing (~50%). But then I'm kinda lost about what to do.
What CD's should I be using and on what adds ? Is vision minor important as well ? Thanks.

[tropic ocean]

From what u write i expect u dont go in delirium?

Vendetta pull vendetta when hes buffed

not sure why u lust on first puncture tho

[obtuse cedar]

Alright so far I'm not using Vendetta on pull since we pretty much hold dps till 1:40 (it's pointless and straight up padding imo because we completely stop at 1:25 anyway). I'm going into 2nd delirium (pretty much staying in there for 15/20s till boss reaches 50%) and in 3rd and 4th but I haven't been able to get in yet.
And lusting there is just for testing purposes, we don't know if we're gonna use it there on the kill.

[cobalt pelican]

if you're on 1 3 4 delirium you don't really have options you need vision and vendetta 1st puncture 1st echo 2nd echo and then if you get another you press it but you probably won't

[ivory parcel]

Subterfuge or Master Assassin for raiding? I'm on the fence.

[shy dust]

MA generally speaking is better for ST.

But sim it

[ivory parcel]

I have run ST forever, gonna just try MA and see what happens.

It's great for multi targets, but that just helps with trash 😄

Icy Veins says MA is better for AOE builds, and ST is better pretty much everywhere else.

[cobalt pelican]

huh

[shy dust]

That’s wrong

[cobalt pelican]

it's completely the opposite

but 'everywhere else' is basically no raid fight this tier so

[arctic walrus]

I mean it's not really your choice whether you want MA or Subt

[ivory parcel]

I'm gonna give MA a whirl

[arctic walrus]

if you have ss you run subt, if not then ma

[hushed arrow]

Hi guys, so what should I improve on except get pieces with gems, new minor slot and full benthic gear? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6NCvexZ5mKytAUtNcDFys1

[arctic walrus]

better azerite that lets you switch off SS

[sullen pagoda]

u answered ur question in ur question 🤔

[hushed arrow]

I mean, that is not gonna give me 10k more dps is it 🤔

Oh ok Vel so it's gonna be rng then I guess

More 445 pieces?

I only got 1 so far

[verbal knot]

Hmm So the boots and bracers benthic would be about 500-600 DPS increase each, you really only want 1 NP if you can manage it. Drop SS when you can, and when you get 2nd passive that's like 2k increase for a patchwork. At least it was for me. I mean ideally Sim yo self, but those would be big increases.

That font of power though, ughhh.

🍆

Basically yeah, it's RNG.

I mean I know you said other than that, but with those things you would probably be close to 50k if not there

[crystal vault]

does feint work on any queens court ability ?

decreases maybe

[verbal knot]

I think (?) It works on sparks. Anyone confirm?

[crystal vault]

idk, i even dont know how to check it on wacraftlogs

[pliant sorrel]

How much dps is second minor? 1-2k?

Nvm regent said already it’s 2k.

Can you timeline boss abilities and see what other people took as damage compared to when you feinted?

@crystal vault

[crystal vault]

probably, but i wanted to see deferred sentence on queens court, but dont see stacks :<

[pliant sorrel]

I’m casual this tier, so heroic mechanics is something I look over since I’m 4/8m is it a dot?

Or is that an aoe?

Also, are rogues breaking 50k dps sims without a second minor? Cause I’m falling behind fast as fuck in sims

[real bay]

they are if lucky with rng

[pliant sorrel]

Okay then that makes sense cause I’m not and currently at 46k with no Ashvanes but full socketed 420 benthic

Just gambled two 445 chests and they were decreases from 435 pvp chest 😦

[real bay]

bis azerites and trinkets, sockets and your e 50k

[pliant sorrel]

I’ll share sim once off work but yeah.. missing coral 445 chest and second minor

Just seems people are dimming st 50k pre second minirn

Minor*

And idk how tf

[arctic walrus]

I mean who though

where

[pliant sorrel]

Not rogues specially

Specifically

Sec lemme find an example

[real bay]

yeah highest sim with 2 minor I've seen is over 53k

other classes sim way more

[arctic walrus]

Hello, other classes have higher/lower damage and their sims will be different?

Why are you trying to compare 2 completely different things

Spriests were simming 50k early palace

now they're around 55k+

[pliant sorrel]

Cause I didn’t think there’d be that big of s disparity, especially as a rogue, but apparently there is

But never mind, with second minor and ashvane I believe I’d be at 50k as well

[lost wharf]

The main thing I think will be your ss trait. You get rid of that, you can run the crit stealth talent making your opener stronger. That should help a lot I think

Oh nvm, that was Timmo, not Tommy, my bad

[verbal knot]

Like if I run my sim, a 425 socketed benthic bracer will be an 800 dps increase

But I've dumped about 1k crystals to no avail

[lost wharf]

I just gave up and went with pufferfish ones.

[verbal knot]

I haven't gotten either. In an act of desperation I went to item restore and looked back to see if maybe I destroyed or sold a pair without realizing

[lost wharf]

That's exactly how I got mine xD I saw "Eww, pufferfish!" and destroyed them.

[strange python]

do people go MP with trip dub dose traits?

[rigid mango]

no

MP is only on weap poisons, aka deadly

And the effect of crippl

[strange python]

ok ty

[wintry mica]

Are sims screwy or is force multiplier really that much worse than just using navigation on both weps?

[verbal knot]

It's based on your character

I believe

I don't think there's a hard answer of "is it good or bad"

[wintry mica]

I guess i was reading the sim wrong since i was also simming a new azerite gear

its only like 100 dps difference

[verbal knot]

I kind of miss the days of knowing what stats to shoot for without having to Sim every couple upgrades. Give me Mastery or give me death!

[rigid mango]

#assassination ?

[dire spoke]

oh wow

thanks ronky

[lusty narwhal]

Still no fucking goraks

god damnit

[hushed arrow]

@verbal knot Thanks for the response. Yeah I got that font yesterday jesus I got lucky

450 Font on a noob player

[lusty narwhal]

Scrap 4x 450s for reroll or wait another fortnight... hmm

[hushed arrow]

That's stupid it costs 47.5k to get one and that's only in 2 weeks of farming m+...

[crisp hollow]

you have 4 450's that aren't useful for outlaw or different sin scenarios?

[brisk surge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[spare sable]

With inkpod + Coral, Do you save your stacks for the inkpod proc? Or second ven and every ven after still

[vagrant tapir]

@rigid mango Wanna tell me why I'm bad?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/39RY72TJaCZnWfNv/#fight=20&type=damage-done

Or anyone else who's good with logs, I'm not the greatest, and I know I've got a lot of headroom I'm not taking advantage of. Sivara went to shit from a pre-pull, and behemoth was a personal fuck up on pull

[rigid mango]

No prepot, your opener is wrong

[vagrant tapir]

On sivara? Yeah there was a prepull

it went to shit immedaitely

The whole run is in that log, Sivara was a prepull and Behemoth I fucked up on my own. New group of players running with us now and the time on the first puffer was off big time, and accidentally garrote'd it and it threw me off

Still bad, but thats what happened

[rigid mango]

http://prntscr.com/p1ftns bad.

[wet ruin]

@spare sable for assasination its better to use it with vendetta, its a loss if you keep it for inkpod

[rigid mango]

@vagrant tapir You're not bad, very minor fuck ups and your logs are most likely negativly impacted thanks to you not having optimised gear + slower kill times than full simpadder runs with 20/20 mythic players

[white forum]

New to assassin and a quick newb question on rotation. If I am at full combo points and rupture doesn't need to be refreshed and I just envemoned on the previous full combo points do I envenom again?

[rigid mango]

Why wouldn't you?

[arctic walrus]

You just wanna sit at 5 points until something else happens or?

[fleet whale]

feel free to envenom away, otherwise you're either wasting cps or energy

[hallow coyote]

Yeah, doing anything else is a DPS loss aside from maybe pooling if you're at very low energy or some other corner case

[rigid mango]

There's no reason not to pool if your bleeds are up and energy isn't capping though

So that's more than fine

[fervent jasper]

On a fort week like this, if your group decides to lust a large trash pull, how many bleeds should you put out before either spamming FoK or using envenoms?

Just the 3 garrotes?

[rigid mango]

Probably g g g rup fok spam

[lusty narwhal]

Running 2x DD instead of 3 just feels like a cop out 😭

[jovial adder]

On org can we make the jump on the ramp?

[true nexus]

@lusty narwhal what do you mean

[wanton glade]

@jovial adder yes, but why would you anyways?

[distant lava]

coral , inkpod

you squeeze in more dmg

[vagrant tapir]

@rigid mango yeah i think I fat fingered that triple mut, obvious issue

[short widget]

how can i maximize double dose damage?

[vagrant tapir]

When you say optimized gear I assume you mean things like shit weps and some under par traits?

Also no triple essence is hurting

@short widget mut inside EV windows

[wet ruin]

what is EV

maybe you meant TB?

[shut garnet]

envenom

[cobalt pelican]

the sivara kill is just really bad understanding of fight length really

besides the obvious scuffed opener which was explained

[shut garnet]

it applies a 6 second debuff that makes your mutilates apply poison

[cobalt pelican]

like you tried to delay your vendetta for the coral overlap with the boss <10s ttd

[shut garnet]

and so double dose proce

[wet ruin]

I know what it does :D, and it doesn't make it apply poisons, its just increased chance, just never seen someone called it EV

[vagrant tapir]

never heard someone refer to envenom as ev?

huh

regardless the point is that the envenom window increases the chance for DD proc

Play around your ev window a bit, not a ton, but its a gain to hold a little energy before an envenom to get more muts in

[hallow coyote]

So the charts still show Nothing Personal still sims higher than DD, does anyone know for sure which affects ST damage more in practice?

[cobalt pelican]

usually it's a decision based on the other traits on the gear

and not straight np vs dd

if it is, usually np will win in shorter/favourable fight durations and dd will win barely, though both of those statements depend heavily on your character

in general playing around envenom is always the play

like

this is not correct

[vagrant tapir]

yeah dd /np is heavily gear dependant

[hallow coyote]

I'm not running Vision, and it's between 2x DD 3 NP, or 3 NP 2DD

[cobalt pelican]

you quite clearly are running into issues where your garrote is falling in unfavourable positions because you're bouncing between 50 and 0 energy besides just before tb

like garrote inside ma on the 2nd vanish is just a thing that shouldn't ever really be necessary even though it's 'technically' what the apl will do

the answer is still to sim really rygar, if i had to spitball i'd say 3dd2np is superior assuming the same 3rd ring trait

[vagrant tapir]

yeah sivara delay was bad

tbh

[hallow coyote]

Thanks. I had been defaulting to 3x NP because it's slightly less uptime dependent but I guess Ill get off my ass and sim it hah

[vagrant tapir]

We were running with way more players than normal from a recent merger

and i legit just didnt look at the bosses health

which is stupid, but its what happened

Insanely rusty from not playing this expac

except a bit of uldir

[cobalt pelican]

yeah it's understandable, just adds up between no 2nd pot and having a really long fight timer but still not really getting a 2nd vend

energy stuff is really minor overall but still gains to look at

[vagrant tapir]

And yeah I recall fucking up an MA window

[hallow coyote]

That always hurts

[vagrant tapir]

Feels like shit

lol

[lusty narwhal]

@true nexus running 2x DD and 2x loyal sims higher than 3x dd 2x np

Running 2x dd over 3 just is a feelsbadman

Not entirely bad but still

[zealous lily]

!trinkets

!trinket

umm just got a 450 coral how do I use it with font in ST raid

do i just font early and wait for vendetta then coral then vendetta?

[bleak spoke]

Updated SimC usage of Font+Coral for Assa. This change seemed to net solid 0.8-1% gains depending on build and the best I've found so far.

• Use font 4s precombat and after that pretty much on cooldown as long as Vendetta has less than 20s on its cooldown.
• Then, with in-fight Font, the idea is to hold Vendetta(+Vanish) a bit to make it also profit from Coral. It's a gain to hold it until Coral is ready (hence the 20s condition above) but...
• If a Toxic Blade is coming up before Coral (which is the case in default fight timings) it's better to Vendetta right before TB and then use Coral ASAP.
• Summary of example timings: 4s precombat Font, Coral ASAP to start stacking.... Font when ready again at 1:56, Vendetta before next TB around 2:10, Coral into it at 2:16.

[sand otter]

got ashvanes trinket on a bonus roll

now to learn how to use it lol

[zealous lily]

same

ty for sharing the answer to my question i searched around first

[crystal barn]

if i'm using subterfuge - should i stack more than 1 SS trait?

[sturdy python]

Pretty situational

Pure ST DD is still probably superior, simming can verify

[honest needle]

where do u look on logs

if people are prepotting

i cant find it

[sturdy python]

I always check the mechanics tab at topright and it has a potions used section

Doesnt specify pre pot though

[cobalt pelican]

if you really need to know specifically you can just check buffs for a specific player

like so

[crisp hollow]

does sprint impact swim speed at all?

[cobalt pelican]

n

[crisp hollow]

cant really tell when i use it

[honest needle]

wait how

buffs then what

theres no way 2 check all at once

[cobalt pelican]

if you need to know who isn't prepotting you can check mechanics tab as said, if you want to know for a specific person/group of people you'd have to go buffs > potion

you can filter by potion types too

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/J8xgAQ2MTaVbPG3y#fight=last&type=auras&ability=300714 which is fairly simple

[rare pond]

How do you fit in using font midfight?

[bleak spoke]

Up to 10 seconds before v

You refresh dots and channel

Or other way around wait till dots are like sub 10 with high cp and channel

Basically you want to dump excess energy and font

[echo cargo]

What's the usage for Font + Coral?

When you have both

[civic palm]

#tc-updates

[lost horizon]

it's also pinned here, just gotta scroll down a bit

[bleak spoke]

On the 4th vendetta on qc are ppl just v on the lower boss doing zealous

Cuz like

This is aids

@arctic walrus

I fly until that point then I drop from oranj to like a mediocre purple

[arctic walrus]

isn't that your last vendetta

[shut socket]

what talents you guys running this week for m+?

[rigid mango]

Same as always

[honest needle]

is there a trick for doing more dps on Mythic ashvane my group wants me to save cds for when bubble is broke, but im getting my ass kicked in dps. Im usually top dps

But since im holding cds im getting my butt kicked

[rigid mango]

Are you 2 or 3 phasing

[lost horizon]

If you're 3 phasing get your RL to ask 3min CDs to delay

[honest needle]

trying to 2

we are almost getting it to 60 percent

just trying to find out tricks

like for 2 min cd should i be saving my cds

cause when i save my cds for when bubble breaks i get my ass kicked

@lost horizon @rigid mango

[lost horizon]

You absolutely should be unless instructed otherwise

[rigid mango]

Just open with only tb

[lost horizon]

If 2 phasing everyone has to hold, sucks for 2min CDs but that's the play

Get coral rolling too

[rigid mango]

And it'll align with first break

Look at damage within the damage phase not shield phase

[lost horizon]

Yeah exactly

[rigid mango]

I don't do high damage outside of damage phase

But inside it, I do near top

Because that's the only damage that matters

[arctic walrus]

If you're 2 phasing, your damage probably won't be to overall, but you should be top of actual health

[crystal comet]

Hi all, a question about a part of the sticky:
"- For Assa, stack the crit conversion use with Vendetta. Coral also has a great synergy with the Dribbling Inkpod sub 30%."

I have both but I'm not sure I get why they work great together

[shy axle]

ink does a big hit at 30%, it`s huge if it crits. Using coral with many stacks makes the chance to crit higher

[honest needle]

ya we only hitting 61-62 percent in first 2 mins

i just hate saving css

cds

[drifting cloud]

youre not gonna 2 phase if you get it to 60

[wide delta]

is this trinket any good for assa? http://prntscr.com/p1l7cz

[sudden ocean]

No

But sim it against what you’ve got

[wide delta]

http://prntscr.com/p1lczc @sudden ocean

[sudden ocean]

And what does that sim tell you

[wide delta]

harlans slightly better

[sudden ocean]

Then ye use the dice

[viscid lichen]

hey guys I was wondering if the icy veins bis is good cause Im at the point to start farming that

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-gear-best-in-slot

I use assassination ONLY for raiding

[sudden ocean]

Sim your current gear against droptimizer

For raid, dungeons and benthic

Then start moving towards that

[viscid lichen]

I wish I could but I can literally sim piece by piece and there is way too much cause I dont have raidbots premium

[rigid mango]

@viscid lichen avoid using icy veins, the guide is bad apart from absolute basics.

You're best off spending 3 bucks or whatever for premium for a month, it's truly worth it

[viscid lichen]

okay thanks

[cobalt pelican]

that's not like.. a bis list really

it's just the gear on the default profile which is the 'best' piece that can drop at base ilvl with no forge and no socket excluding all other sources of gear

[sudden ocean]

I'd call it a convenience list

[viscid lichen]

oh and bloodmallet is good for azerite powers I assume

[sudden ocean]

Sim those for sure

[viscid lichen]

yeah when I do get them but just so I know where to bonus loot and what to farm

[cobalt pelican]

realistically just coin for blackwater chest/coral/font/weapons and maybe depending on your profession/your guilds progress zaqul helmet

just check those items in the sim using gear compare

all of the rest of the gear in the raid will be so reliant on forges as to what's useful and what's not

[viscid lichen]

okay thanks

[civic jay]

Coral, so just pop it only with Vendetta?

[blissful storm]

yes

"How to use Razer Coral trinket?

• For Assa, stack the crit conversion use with Vendetta. Coral also has a great synergy with the Dribbling Inkpod sub 30%.
  "

[civic jay]

Yeah, wanted to make sure, trinket still feels weird to me

Thanks

[wide delta]

which essences for m+? im lvl 65 now

[bronze kelp]

im using bote + lucid + iris

[sick eagle]

how did Font+ Coral work mi-fight?

[bronze kelp]

@wide delta

midfightß

?

[cobalt pelican]

gesundheit

[bronze kelp]

XD

[wide delta]

@bronze kelp isnt purification more worth it than iris?

[bronze kelp]

@sick eagle u use font, and when coral is ready to use, u use it. be sure to also pull vendetta

[sick eagle]

but do I use vendetta when coral has 8 sec on CD and just do Vanish combo mid vendetta?

or jst wait for both

[bronze kelp]

bote has more value on boss fights, on trash i can really say, cause purification can be good if it anihilates, but otherwise the dmg is meh

but thats just my opinion

[wide delta]

sim tells me complete bullshit lol

it tells me to go http://prntscr.com/p1n7m4

[bronze kelp]

@sick eagle i would pull coral with vendetta

[sick eagle]

m+ sim is mostly bullshit

[bronze kelp]

so your vendetta + vnaish + tb window is buffed by both trinkets

[sick eagle]

everything changes depending on grp comp and route

[bronze kelp]

@wide delta dont sim for m+ like that

[sick eagle]

ok ty

[bronze kelp]

if you sim for m+ you have to adapt very much, cause sims cant give you results for all those different situations

[wide delta]

ya

[bronze kelp]

iris major is sure good, but it also caps you for 4 secs

[wide delta]

ill try both iris and protocol out

as minor

[bronze kelp]

bote only is good if you got rank 3

[wide delta]

well i got rank 2 :feelsbadman:

[bronze kelp]

then go farm ^^

[wide delta]

i am

[bronze kelp]

10k honor a day without bg event is possible

with event even more

[wide delta]

ya i miss 34k

[blissful storm]

If I understand correctly we want to pop ink right before boss hitting 30% right?

[bronze kelp]

not ink

coral

[blissful storm]

yeah yeah thats what I meant

[bronze kelp]

^^

[blissful storm]

ok

[bronze kelp]

yes, so you have a higher crit chance when ink goes of

[rigid mango]

Sims are currently just using coral with each vend

If you can and wont be punished by fight timer, aligning cds + coral + 30% is optimal

[fast token]

Hi guys, i've question about Raidbot. It says i should take Coral 430 + Azshara 400 instead of Coral 430 + Inkpod 415. That inkpod not enough worth ?
Also, Condensed life major 3 + lucid dreams minor 3 is supposed to be the better setup but again, it says i have to pick Lucid dreams major 3 + worldveins minor 2.
All sim in patchwerk.
What do you think about it ? Should i trust raidbot and take what it says or there is a mistake somewhere and Bis essencs and trinkets (condenses life + lucid dreams AND Coral + inkpod) are better ?

[scarlet sequoia]

yeah

[fast token]

here are the sims : Current: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/whNEK8xKR16gwVYRJanB7E - Supposed to be BIS : https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/v2eSrS7oMvSjjk6JD5rxE1 - Raidbot : https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hchwQqykuvS72ggJLRo78U (less than current but in other case it's always forward)

[scarlet sequoia]

it might seem like a crazy wild idea

but i would probably go with the 41.5k

never play worldvein its garbage bad

sims just like it because they assume u afk

you can play inkpod over font if you want to, but font coral is the best combo

[fast token]

font 400 vs inkpod 415, you think font's better ?

[scarlet sequoia]

yeah

[worldly iron]

just sim top gear

[fast token]

sims says indeed that font is better

but when i see that worldvein 2 is "bis" in minor coupled with LD major 3, i began to have some doubts

[tropic ocean]

thats because you don‘t understand the sim

In a patchwerk fight worldvein is one of the best minor essences as it has very high uptime

(If enough people in range use it)

In a real encounter due to movement the uptime drops significantly and making it worse than other choices

e.g. in orgozoa worldvein minor can be really good as raid is very stacked and little movement for example

and you should sim top gear and tick different essence/azerite/item combos to see what is best for you

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mkYxXciFR8PEbpXkxj1keM

🤷🏿‍♂️😂

[lament dove]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/LDZF7YgyGBgBerWpgDCFd

should I buy helm or chest from residuum...?

[scarlet sequoia]

head

you have the bis chest

althought you're using the wrong trait

[lethal heart]

is there any decent helmet you can gamble as assa?

swirling sands one is best one?

[scarlet sequoia]

mhm

idk if its even better than engi head

[lament dove]

do you mean I'm using wrong trait on chest...? or you mean BBI on shoulders? (I know that^^)

[scarlet sequoia]

on chest

you should use loyal to the end

and play MA

[verbal knot]

When is the best time to use Guardian in opener? I don't see that listed on the pin for the guide

[warm void]

I use it before vanish

Not sure what’s most optimal

[inner pier]

Is the Blackwater Shimmerscale Vest actually bis? Vest of reverent adorration and Spymaster's Wrap sim better for me but i am not sure if raidbots is considering multiple Loyal to the End in the raid

[lament dove]

you can set up Loyal at Simulation Options

(where Nazjatar buffs, Worldvein etc.are)

[inner pier]

oh right, then i guess it is

well

that means i am a bonobo

which just unnecessarily spent 46k instead of collecting for gorak tul's mantle

[bronze kelp]

gorak tuls is also bis

[inner pier]

that i know

but i don't have it

[bronze kelp]

ups misread ^^

[scarlet sequoia]

yes if you have the optimal azerite setup then blackwater chest is bis

[inner pier]

yeah, now i see xd

foooock me

[sudden ocean]

Heard someone was using worldvein

[lament dove]

wow, even with zero allies Loyal+MA sims better, didn't think that... thanks, @scarlet sequoia will try it

[scarlet sequoia]

np

[lost wharf]

Hit 65, still not simming 50k 😦 WTB socketed rings

[crystal vault]

can i macro vendetta and maghar orc racial?

[sudden ocean]

is it 2 minutes?

and does it use gcd

[shut garnet]

if i got captain's hat, pistoleer's, and cephalohide

is it better to go 2OW 1gut

on 2OW 1heed

for mythic+ i mean ofc

[sudden ocean]

sim it

[distant lava]

depends on what you want I guess

[shut garnet]

whats the point its a t3 trait

wym @distant lava

[distant lava]

gutripper is more ST dmg

but heed can cleave

[shut garnet]

so if i have 2EB and iris i guess more cleave is a bit overkill huh

[distant lava]

I'd pick ripper just because I hate cleave effects that I can't control

[shut garnet]

yeah fair point

ty

[sick eagle]

well ripper has only a single target component, heed has AoE and ST
It's 1.2-1.5% of my total damage with 1 of them

Ripper can't reach that

[distant lava]

depends on what you want

I've had some important cc's broken by heed

so I never play with it anymore

specially since the mobs need to be ultra packed to be cleave on with heed

[shut garnet]

and also ripper can trigger on below 30% targets if you FoK a big pull

right?

[sick eagle]

I think it says "to your target"

so no

[shut garnet]

either way, if you run iris + eb thats enough cleave probably

[sick eagle]

more aoe damage is always better

but unless you are doing 20+

doesn't matter I guess

well if it's Tyran ripper is better

but having to reforge for any random situtaion

makes it a pain in the ass

[bleak spoke]

@arctic walrus I think I meant third, the one where it comes up after you swap