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#assassination
sullen pagoda
sharp viper
@sullen pagoda you lack sockets on cloak, weapon and trinkets
sour wasp
richard is toxic
vestal wren
i am not even 40k :/
sullen pagoda
i lack sockets on all the new gear
raven mica
i mean, he called the boosted one so.
tropic ocean
@solid nova haven't you learned some posts up that if you don't do sim dps u are bad?_?
cobalt pelican
i too am a member of the coral missing gang
solid nova
sour wasp
normie coral ecks dee
simple meteor
solid nova
sullen pagoda
i got 415 one too
drifting cloud
I bet mtv didnt even do lfr for coral this week
sullen pagoda
i refuse to use it
crimson condor
anyone have advice for what I should target for my m+ gamble? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tn6YpaMevkTCiiqcjwznB2
cobalt pelican
i would too
but it's like 200 dps more than my cyclo with a 430 yellow..
very sad
vapid scarab
@crimson condor if only there were a tool designed to figure out exactly that on the very same website
sour wasp
^
crimson condor
droptimizer says everything is like a 0.5% upgrade smarty
crisp steppe
🤔
sullen pagoda
crisp steppe
everything is equal huh
so what would you do in your position
probably check what pieces you have access to from the raid
raven mica
crisp steppe
and then randomly pick one of the others
sour wasp
gambol time
vapid scarab
"everything is a .5% upgrade btw"
raven mica
inb4 he was simming for M+
vapid scarab
catalyst
raven mica
wait ive never seen that azerite piece before
tropic ocean
its from mecha
raven mica
oh
scarlet sequoia
Gambling head ??
sour wasp
noob gamblers here
raven mica
yea, BIS outlaw comes from headpiece and my sin headpiece was shit
scarlet sequoia
Outlaw yikes
sour wasp
outlaw
raven mica
Ive been a chadlaw main since I first made my rogue in tomb ok
sour wasp
outlaw in legion
vapid scarab
not having played combat
unique sierra
raven mica
I wish I got good azerite from the residuum vendor
sour wasp
guys daddy richard is gonna belt us for going #off-topic
raven mica
wish me kisses for gorak tul ok
scarlet sequoia
I hope you get sanguine one
raven mica
i s2g if I do
tropic ocean
its easy to gamble good azerite for sin
loot spec into outlaw game will think you gamble for outlaw and will give u bad outlaw pieces
sour wasp
or you're a casual like me and don't really care about it, that's when the game rewards you
raven mica
nah imma just get high altitude turban, sanguine monstrosity, and blighted tribe all the time
tropic ocean
or u quit wow for 2months come back when u get free wow weekend mail
and thats where u get the gg items
crisp steppe
how about dying 10 seconds into the fight
raven mica
or you quit wow for 3 months and come back to get cutting edge jaina
crisp steppe
what do u think about that strat
sour wasp
oh god
tropic ocean
i think the
sour wasp
33k
tropic ocean
just do 15k dps strat is better
solid nova
Sockets
tropic ocean
game will rewards you for seeing you struggle
scarlet sequoia
Just add a bot at this point
solid nova
Rank 2 essences
twilit portal
soon 50k ST for me 😦
raven mica
iris on ST
drifting cloud
st with eb, iris, worldwein and no 3rd ring in chest 
crisp steppe
damn u aint have to roast him
granite dust
and he got a socketed 430 coral 
vapid scarab
it's like yall are trying to troll
solid nova
Do some work first ty
hushed arrow
FeelsWeirdMan It's my m+ gear but thats the only gear I got
vapid scarab
nice 7 worldvein idiot
crisp steppe
hard work pays off @granite dust try it
solid nova
So m+ gear or not, you havent got anything enchanted
hushed arrow
As if 150 stat would increase dps by 10k?
sour wasp
lmao
solid nova
Your neck ilvl is low too
drifting cloud
hes 59
hushed arrow
I'm trying to understand what makes the dps go mega high
drifting cloud
he legit just didnt select a trait
solid nova
Enchants
tropic ocean
richard told you
granite dust
u guys getting 
sour wasp
he just told you my dude
tropic ocean
sockets, essences, traits, benthic
sour wasp
yeah i thnk so too at this point @granite dust
hushed arrow
Toxicity towards players that joined 1 week ago and already have same ilvl as some scrubtards
tropic ocean
except that ilvl doesn't mean anything
granite dust
confirmed
tropic ocean
i'm -2 ilvl on you and sim +14k
drifting cloud
good time to meme with shadow in chat
solid nova
The fact you think item level is relevant
granite dust
pls no feed
daring trench
Quick question: I read through the guide and it says for ST that Crit/Haste are desired stats but when simming for stat weights it still has Mastery as my highest priority. Is there a reason for that? I'm just now returning to rogue after playing hunter since 8.2 dropped so a little advice would be appreciated.
sour wasp
this is bait guys chill
hushed arrow
Calm down dude lol I'm tryna understand
tropic ocean
@daring trench follow your sim
stats are all over the place depending on your essences and traits
solid nova
@daring trench Guide stat weights are generic
crisp steppe
anyway its fine to be a new player but even for a new player it doesn't seem like you put much effort in yourself ^^. anyway most points have been touched on
solid nova
Personal sims are more accurate
drifting cloud
yeah it is, I remember he was linking stuff a few days ago and it was unenchanted even back then
solid nova
@hushed arrow Enchant your gear, select traits on gear
daring trench
Ok awesome. Thanks guys. I just didn't wanna be a complete fuckup.
sour wasp
@daring trench that's fine, follow the sim, it's gonna change based on your traits/essences
solid nova
EB will never sim well ST, regardless of M+ gear or not
crisp steppe
@hushed arrow like you're running a trait that increases fan of knives damage. something you wouldn't use on singletarget
sour wasp
nope
hushed arrow
Yeah rip some friend told me to go for it but it's like only m+ shit, yikes
scarlet sequoia
Hell yeah
daring trench
For my ST traits I'm running 3x Double Dose, 2x NP, and 1x Twist the Knife. Hope those are good .....I'm still WAY behind on my essences tho
hushed arrow
NP + DD > TTK?
tropic ocean
sim your char
granite dust
have you even tried looking at any resources
scarlet sequoia
Op >
tropic ocean
it depends on the piece
drifting cloud
Raz arent u supposed to be raiding rn
scarlet sequoia
I’m not home
sour wasp
@daring trench those are good, try and get some inner traits like op
vapid scarab
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jiB3MrgtAaNp26get1t3Gt
where are my sockets
solid nova
@sour wasp You can stop now
drifting cloud
does double ss actually outsim loyal + whatever shit is on those shoulders?
hushed arrow
Getting insulted on a discord where we should learn from each other, imagine that
vapid scarab
yes
solid nova
@hushed arrow Try taking in the information given to you on multiple occasions, rather than ignoring it and blindly insulting.
tropic ocean
@vapid scarab why are you not doing sim dps
granite dust
imagine trying to get spoonfed instead of spending 10 minutes doing any simple research
raven mica
Rogues are the most toxic class in the game so
hushed arrow
^
drifting cloud
you expect too much from a guy who makes a male nelf on purpose
tropic ocean
roleplay chan
sour wasp
nothing will make you jump 10k dps in this game my dude, all of these people here that sim 45K implemented small incremental boosts and worked towards optimizing their chars via the same info given to you @hushed arrow
scarlet sequoia
And that is on god
daring trench
I asked 2 questions, just for verification. I read through the guides, I even mentioned it. There is nothing wrong with also asking veteran players with a higher understanding of the subtleties of the spec for advice if you have a question about a static guide, though. My bad I guess......
tropic ocean
noone was talking about you mate
granite dust
not you @daring trench
daring trench
oh. lol
hushed arrow
Not you @daring trench
daring trench
Well, my bad again.
hushed arrow
It's all good though np
daring trench
Imma go back to my corner and cry a tad.
tropic ocean
WHY DO I SIM SO MUCH LOWER THAN @tribal marlin
hushed arrow
You're right @sour wasp
crisp steppe
@daring trench the best tool available to you is top gear. don't worry about statweights
echo hornet
@daring trench here here, have a hug
sour wasp
@tropic ocean those rings jeez
echo hornet
Assa kinda remind me of aff lock in keys. Keeping dots on targets and killing st pretty fast. Or am I missing something after 5 days of being rogue?
sour wasp
i should start taking mechagon seriously
tropic ocean
they are pretty good on fights where you can attack from side/behind
tropic ocean
no
sadly not
hence I said its good on fights where you can attack from behind
but its nice for first boss, orgozoa, behemoth
ashvane
its okay for radiance but only 50% of the time
wet ruin
after 3 consecutive tries of the boss parrying my opening mutilates and/or toxic blade I now only start at the back/side of the boss
polar shale
radiance does have MASSIVE sides
wet ruin
was mainly talking about the first boss
but yea
its like the boss can parry on a timer and I always hit the first parry its super weird
tropic ocean
@polar shale yeah but in mythic you stack with group so
hushed arrow
Is scent of blood ever used in cleaving? And I assume it's garbage in ST?
sudden ocean
If you're a victim of the underrot shoulder curse it's better than the alternatives
sour wasp
@hushed arrow garbo in both
keen lark
so I see almost all the top 100 assassins using Twist the Knifes, is there a reason for that. one that I missed? I checked the pins on guides and stuff, I couldn't really find anything *I could just be very blind o.o)
static glacier
Twist the knife likely scales well with gear
polar cape
Mostly cause it share most of the piece with DD and OP
static glacier
can't confirm, haven't done the sims
keen lark
I have 3 DDs, 2 NPs and a tradewinds, Twist the knifes instead of a NP nets me a 650 damage loss
static glacier
I could see twist the knife being more valuable in situations with extra targets
keen lark
I thought that the sims might be incomplete and a single TtK might be a boon, sims tell me otherwise
distant lava
do not
static glacier
while NP isn't benefitting as much
distant lava
look at other rogue's gear
to see what is good
they most likely play with ttk cause the best piece they have for that slot has on ttk on it
keen lark
literally 95 or so out of the top 100 have TtK 😛
distant lava
on its own it's not a very good trait
keen lark
ah... could be
distant lava
definetly not worth a np or dd
static glacier
I think Dj's explanation is plausible
distant lava
it's not plausible
static glacier
more plausible than TTK secretly being op
wide hedge
i think the bis chest also has ttk on it and you have to take it.
distant lava
most likley they have ttk cause most piece with dd and op on the chest have ttk
static glacier
plausible means likely
distant lava
and iirc behemoth chest is good and has ttk
blazing matrix
hey guys is there some item you can use to cheat repeat performance on queen's court
wide hedge
cephalohide has ttk
keen lark
Guess I'm lucky with my Spymaster's wrap
wide hedge
use vial/feint/sprint/shadowstep to cheat it
umbral fiber
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kPxDVzDtf3U6CQJ75AWfBR Am I dumb or why does rank 3 flame sim higher than rank 3 bote ?
wide hedge
maybe even pk
wet ruin
does ttk scale good with bbi or something
wide hedge
well its only 30 dps difference
wet ruin
cuz the default build on herodamage is 3 DD, 1 BBI, 1 NP, 1 TTK
spice surge
Its because of overwhelming power
distant lava
BAD
umbral fiber
Oh I suppose
spice surge
Not because of ttk
cobalt gyro
Because that set up gets you triple OP
wide hedge
ttk is mediocre at best
distant lava
cobalt gyro
Also bbi as a trait is a gigantic crit proc
wet ruin
surely there is DD NP OP chest
cobalt gyro
It's much stronger than the 2ns stack of an NP
wide hedge
btw omw to neck 65, need to break 50k 😄
distant lava
@wide hedge have you simmed np vs bbi in your gorak tul's ?
wide hedge
yeah also did that
topaz trout
@wet ruin There isnt
distant lava
and bbi comes out ahead of first np ? dayum 
wide hedge
np slightly worse, but we talk about really really small numbers
keen lark
wow dang that's a high sim
rigid mango
If that's the case I'd just play NP
wide hedge
just waiting to kill zaqul today/tomorrow for that juicy helmet
wet ruin
so basically OP + TTK > DD NP
rigid mango
Yes
cobalt gyro
Like i saie Bbi is a gigantic crit proc so it makes sense
wet ruin
yea, I missed the DD
keen lark
Are the bethic ori wrists a lot better then the Neri wrists?
distant lava
I've seen some cases where ceph gets outsimmed by spymasters
wet ruin
but in terms of how it feels, I like TTK for the extra time on envenom buff
distant lava
cause of that first NP value
wide hedge
i feel like my azerites are really good. just trying to get zaqul helmet for dd+np and I should be more than fine 😄
cobalt gyro
Twist on its own is really meh
distant lava
"really good"
cobalt gyro
But it works out p well with dd traits
distant lava
dude wtf you hit the nuts
visual quartz
Yeah got a SS+twist chest that made me sim higher with Subt than my DD+twitst chest with MA, had to change back 😦
wet ruin
but in the meters TTK makes the illusion of being good, as with TTK your envenom bar gets noticeably larger
tropic ocean
its good cuz its on the right pieces
rigid mango
Wdym ttk makes the illusion of being good
tropic ocean
Standalone its not
cobalt gyro
I mean you could argue it synergizes well with DD traita as well
rigid mango
but not far from being the best
keen lark
@wide hedge how much does font contribute to that 48k? ;D
wet ruin
bad choice of wording, didn't mean its bad
static glacier
where do you guys use ashvane's in the opener?
keen lark
dang
wide hedge
so it should be a lot 😄
keen lark
yeah I'm running 430 coral and a 425 mechagonlazer, but I'm simming around 43k
rigid mango
coral + font is a huge gain with the add to the APL about 2 weeks ago
wide hedge
too lazy to farm azerite, just going slowly to 65 in 2 weeks and i should break through the 50k
keen lark
I just dinged 64, no way I'm reaching 50k though haha
wide hedge
true that
tropic ocean
For me 3rd minor is 1500
rigid mango
I think raz is the highest simming rogue in the world possibly
tropic ocean
So might be just under 50k
tropic ocean
need bigger weap to hit 50k
keen lark
^ true
tropic ocean
Neck 65 just puts me to 49k
tropic ocean
zaqul helm will be another 500ish dps so lets see
rigid mango
after that it's just smaller shit like sockets n shit
rigid mango
tropic ocean
so after wednesday big neck grind spree
rigid mango
Another 5 ilvls on shoulder and chest is decent too
tropic ocean
yeah
rigid mango
idk there's a lot to gain tbh
cobalt gyro
i just got 61 neck
tropic ocean
just neverlucky with gamble
rigid mango
afaik he is, aslong as there's not some chinese one or smth
But they all play otl so
cobalt gyro
guy is 52k on outlaw
wet ruin
well, outlaw is not far behind, if even behind
rigid mango
Raid wise outlaw is ebhind for sure
wet ruin
depends on boss
wet ruin
but if guy has 52k as outlaw how is that behind
wet ruin
I didn't mean it in general
vestal wren
assassination just is the better raiding spec from toolkit and also very high in number balancing
rigid mango
vestal wren
certain fights can benefit one spec over the other, e.g. orgozoa is pgood for outlaw
polar bloom
3 ttk 2 eb 1 ss,
cobalt gyro
guy has absolutely disgusting gear
idk if there's any sins that have that type of gear, so
cobalt gyro
o i didn't think of those rings
rigid mango
That might be doctored though, don't think he has both the rings
I think that's from when they were checking what it'd be w s
Pretty sure he doesn't have them
I think that's from when him and vel talked about what he'd sim if he had them
or smth
cobalt gyro
disgusting set of rings
past harbor
for sin m+, would you choose ashvane coral or golden plumage?
rigid mango
Coral
past harbor
thank you
Dungeon slice or hectic add cleave to sim sin m+? I read here few days ago that dungeon slice was problematic for sin
echo hornet
Dunno about rogues. But lock discord says to always sim patchwerk
rigid mango
Good for them
echo hornet
Something about it's apl being the most correct
rigid mango
Sin doesn't really work that way
Outlaw sorta works with dslice
You're better off either using custom scripts or just sorta knowing
rigid mango
Fury
tropic ocean
think im gonna go ct deeper strat and 3 eb today on orgozoa
vestal wren
idk about ct
vestal wren
HB could work even
bleak pulsar
what traits do you guys run for M+, is it worth to stack echoing blades or will we lose too much boss damage that way?
crystal vessel
Guru I believe most people run 2/2/2 shrouded/TTK/EB. That question is asked all the time.
rigid mango
without?
scarlet sequoia
Without
tropic ocean
think the 3 different spells ring is the issue
try sim with "if u atk enemy from behind"
rigid mango
Oh it's that one
Makes sense
and ye I knew you simmed for higher jsut the first one I found and too lazy to dig deeper tbh
tropic ocean
finger1=,id=158366,enchant_id=610
heres the string for it if u need it
or wanna test
scarlet sequoia
I’m not home still, but I have the from behind ring so maybe next reset
tropic ocean
@vestal wren
it shows ct >>> hb/pb on 4 target even with 3 eb
even on 10 mobs maybe ct isn't as bad
:^)
vestal wren
oh, i would do a talent compare and look at priority damage
and compre the win/lose there too
distant lava
7 mins ?
tropic ocean
yeah
last orgozoa kill was 8min
but we got more gear and 65 necks etc now so I shaved off 1min
in talentcompare its +1729 ct compared to pb/hb
hb is the worst with -1.273
novel rapids
Hey guys, how hard It will be for meif I come back to the game? I will need to farm too much?
tropic ocean
depends on what you want to do
neck level takes a lot less now due to artifact knowledge and gearing is rather fast and easy
for mythic raid you still need to grind benthic though
arctic walrus
Human or voidelf 
vagrant tapir
dont get why sub rogue is so high on the statistics view
rotund mural
any good recommendetion on tyrannical high keys concerning azerite traits? for now im 2ss/2eb/2ttk... wish to know if 1np in there would be a difference?
rotund mural
ah :(... damn, 420 azerite gear forever... when so much 445 i have and yet all with dd/np/sob
solemn meadow
got any tips for queens court?
rigid mango
Stick on one, only swap when step is up
Put full dots and step, rinse repeat each step cd
Start on caster for better timings iirc
olive edge
Is it not worth swapping when Sprint is up?
rigid mango
I personally don't
vapid scarab
as long as i can garrote both within the subterfuge window with just sprint i say it's worth
rigid mango
I'm unsure if I'll use ss and subt tbh
arctic walrus
It was so much extra management for barely any more dmg
rigid mango
Also we're gonna have 3-5 spriests so I'm assuming I'm on "blast one target to 35%" duty
royal lantern
im ready
drowsy niche
How to open as assa rogue,?
im actually doing this : Garrot-Mutilate-Ruptur- Vendetta-Toxic Blade
When the garrot end, i vanish again to do the same
Is that right ?
true nexus
if you have ma im pretty sure you open with mut
royal lantern
👌
true nexus
hope for a crit then garrote
royal lantern
openers etc...is all the pins
raw oasis
Mut Rup Mut Garrote
true nexus
woops that what I mean
royal lantern
(old and new opener is 0 difference for the fight, so if you are used too the ussual opener, just keep on doing it)
drowsy niche
okay
Cuz actually i can play with some rogue who open like me
But they got more crits
thanks
radiant phoenix
what's the new master assassin vs old master assassin?
i'm looking at openers on ravenholdt
shy axle
what do you mean
rigid mango
The new one is marginally better
But not enough for you to ever notice apart from feelies in opener
radiant phoenix
but what are the actual differences in talents?
rigid mango
??
raw oasis
Different opening ability order
radiant phoenix
what changed to make this new opener a thing?
cerulean walrus
CLF
radiant phoenix
got it
the ravenholdt guide said "talented the new way" which made me think talents changed
arctic walrus
Anyone saving their residium for next tier or should I just try for ceph for m+
quasi pewter
propably gonna gamble for a few m+ pieces a few more weeks
rigid mango
Do you care about pushing m+?
abstract lagoon
Wht do assy rogues run for higher keys on tyrannical
quasi pewter
pretty much only need a good head though since i have blighted tribe and goraks
eb ttk head would be nice
arctic walrus
435 ceph works for now
abstract lagoon
Can anyone pm me what the best talents are for higher keys as assasination this week
rigid sonnet
so how do you use coral and font with each time cooldowns come back up?
royal lantern
steep obsidian
A warrior in my raid got a friggin 455 font and isn’t even using it coz it sucks for fury warr
People were a little salty
steep obsidian
One of our ele shams got a 450 coral from my ashvane too
Raid full of trolls
Can’t get either trinket for the life of me
cerulean walrus
Lmao
steep obsidian
I think it sucks coz they don’t have spare Gcds ever?
cerulean walrus
Tfw a Banana can be better than Font
steep obsidian
Same
royal lantern
i think its because of how the rage generation works for them etc....
shy axle
if using the new opener, where to you place the clf essence? mut rup mut gar CLF Ven?
rancid granite
Question about gems: agi > secondary?
rigid mango
Sim it, is the only answer to that
rancid granite
Ye figured.. ty 😃
jolly comet
yall see they are nerfing the main stat gems in the next patch?
rigid mango
Nope
polar cape
But why
cloud lichen
hi guys, still having problem with my rogue, can someone read this for me? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wSN9Q7W3q9HDdzmnVu3xPY
what info should i understand?
umbral mauve
What essence should i play on zaqul if i go down only on first delirium ? and im 65
rigid mango
@umbral mauve hc or mythic
umbral mauve
mythic
umbral mauve
im not going down for the adds
rotund pivot
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
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https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
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polar cape
Lucid healing is nice in down phase
true jewel
Is anyone having Tricks of the Trade not work on targets? I can't use it on any of my tanks for the past few days. Have relogged countless times/Redragged it from spellbook.
versed narwhal
With Exsanguinate do you want to let the empowered bleeds completely fall off before refreshing them?
polar cape
If you can have both minor
rigid mango
@versed narwhal don't use exsang :^)
true jewel
Its not mine. But you might be right
I had the neural annoyance thing on
why the hell does that affect tricks of the trade lol
cloud lichen
hi guys, still having problem with my rogue, can someone read this for me? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wSN9Q7W3q9HDdzmnVu3xPY
Raidbots
Stat Weights - Icerain - 37,064 DPS - Raidbots
what info should i understand?
rigid mango
At that low sim your statweights most likely wont make sesne
raw oasis
Some people in a group I run regularly with are running ST essences for Tyr weeks. I think my ST sims with Iris major, lucid minor are like 1% lower than my BIS ST essences. This a no brainer right? Run Iris still?
cloud lichen
@rigid mango what should i do then?
rigid mango
Just use top gear
cloud lichen
how to use it properly? i really do not understand
rigid mango
You copy paste your simc input
And you then mix and match items to get the best possible combination for you
snow orchid
anyone want some unsocketed boots? :((
chilly marsh
is there a way to sim priority target + 3-6 adds ?
reef frigate
whats a good build for kr? is 2eb, 3ss, 1bbi good?
rigid mango
I'd drop 1 more eb and get a ttk or smth
chilly marsh
for me 2 eb is the bare minimum
and 3 eb is way to go too god for pulls
would trade 1 ss for ttk
rigid mango
wat
reef frigate
Thanks, i'll trade 1eb for 1 ttk
lol, i like this dg. The one i avoid is snake temple
chilly marsh
find this oen fine
would do a 20 snakes anytime instead of a kr 15 lol
and not for the score :p
coarse solar
Anyone able to help me out with some log analysis? Guild's started on Ashvane and I'm really struggling to break a consistent 35k. I've had some blue logs but they're mostly crappy grey logs and averaging 30k. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GMAzhHaXnvpc4kd6#fight=17&type=damage-done&cutoff=3
chilly marsh
youre seted to burst pull?
well first youre missign benthics
boots is op
425 socket boots > 465 one
better than capped ilvl
coarse solar
This is 3-shielding. I'll try to roll boots indeed
drifting cloud
why arent you running lucid minor
coarse solar
Yeah every heroic clear we get everyone to swap loot specs to try and get Ashcane's/Inkpod, but we only have 2 atm
@drifting cloud Iris minor sims higher for me
chilly marsh
so yea youre missing 2 benthic + lucid minor
drifting cloud
I find that borderline impossible to believe
eternal turtle
do you guys sometimes also get random input lag during raids even tho you have low latency?
i have 5 ms
but it feels super laggy
drifting cloud
it could be your lag tolerance setting
since the default is some pretty high number
eternal turtle
where do i see / change that?
drifting cloud
/dump GetCVar("SpellQueueWindow")
coarse solar
Got the boots now, need to start upgrading them
drifting cloud
think the default is like 400 or something
coarse solar
I'll give Lucid minor a shot too
sour wasp
did you just go and got socketed boots like that?
coarse solar
uhm, yeah
frosty burrow
Lol
coarse solar
Took me about 20 rolls
sour wasp
i'm gonna hurl
chilly marsh
i used 1680+- pearls to get the 4 benthics bis
eternal turtle
hmm that command doesnt do anything for me
rigid mango
goraks first try, cries about benthic boots
chilly marsh
farmed on alts to send enthcis to open main
rigid mango
drifting cloud
works for me Saphe, just returns current value of it
eternal turtle
oh wait i see in chat that it says its set to 400
am i supposed to change that somehow?
ah i changed it to 30 lets see if it does anything
although now im reading it shouldnt rlly go lower than 250
so put it to 250 now lol
sour wasp
it shouldn't be lower than your ping in theory
i generally play with around 50 so i put it at 100 for a safety net
civic palm
Should be your average MS + 100 to 150.
daring trench
Anyone have any thoughts on the engineering helm for sin? Is it trash or nah?
sour wasp
it's good
rain frigate
ok so im learning sin for raid
was outlaw mongo boy
do i always wait to use toxic blade for vendetta if its coming up
and do i refresh envenom insta or do i always pull while keeping bleeds up till it falls off
civic palm
Sounds like you're LEARNING!!
!guide
https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-simple-guide
!guide
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Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
rain frigate
ty very much 🙂
royal lantern
@daring trench its more or less the best head piece avaible until you are lucky and get zaqul mythic head
daring trench
Right, very good. So I know i'm grabbing DD off of the first ring but I'm a little confused about which are the best engineering specific traits to grab. I can't seem to find a good guide about it but maybe I'm just looking in the wrong places.
royal lantern
normalization gizmo
best trait for raids
and you wont use that head piece for sin m+
daring trench
Tracking. Thanks man. I appreciate your feedback.
shut garnet
how do i know what works best in gem slots, im currently 34% crit 11% haste 35% mastery and like 8% vers, as both my rings and one of my trinkets are all socketted with crit and the rings enchanted with 60 crit
however if i sim it with full haste in every crit slot my dps goes up by around 100
sour wasp
@shut garnet sim gems?
royal lantern
like, ttk is fine imo, but like fuu said multiple times: the howl ttk thing is a bit feelcrafty, AND ttk gives you not much for aoe, its better too get a different head piece that has atleast 1 SS/EB
sour wasp
and trust the sim
shut garnet
@sour wasp yeah so if i just go to "compare gearpieces" and i slot the exact same one in but change whats in the socket and change the enchant
drifting cloud
and its still a 445 helm with ttk + op + slightly subpar aoe trait
but I guess its good enough for r1 sin rogue, just not good enough for you
royal lantern
but OP is not that good for m+ 🤔
shut garnet
ik to trust the sim but is that just a better ST trade off? i normally do m+ and ive heard crit is really good there
sour wasp
@shut garnet in top gear you have on option to let the sim decide which gems to go for, top gear> replace existing gems
verbal slate
so i've been looking why are some of the top end rogues stacking hard mastry ( hard being all enchats and gems )
cobalt pelican
because it's what gives them the most damage in the gear they have (if these ppl even exist)
drifting cloud
maybe if they have no loyal traits mastery could have a slight bump, but nobody is "stacking" it
hazy canyon
what's the optimal usage of bote, both in aoe situations and in ST? for aoe, i've been getting my garrotes out, a few ruptures, and then using it and either spamming fok, or weaving env depending on priority targets
drifting cloud
worldwein 😡
modest tendon
I think you need to use as many foks in the bote window as possible so what your doing is correct, get enough energy regen that you can spam fok for the duration
In ST line it up with your cd’s so you end up holding onto it for an extra 30 seconds
ancient onyx
i broke 45k today https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qtkGK4iLZ2D9vBbinGWYBU 
royal lantern
noble vale
what are we thinkin for 3rd minor slot in M+ ? CnS? ?
BOME, PP and CnS are all like 200ish wthin each other for me
young meteor
whast the highest patchwork sim you guys have seen?
civic palm
Many millions.
young meteor
zzzzz
civic palm
Little over 50k now with 3rd essence I think.
stable pine
Here I am still 40k at this late into the patch! Haha
civic palm
Just be 65|440 4head
primal egret
Should I change 420 azerite with Nothing Personal for 430 azerite with Double Dose if Raidbots said it's ~250 dps increase? I'd have 3x dd but no NP tho
Or maybe it's marginal change and I should stick with np for energy regen during Vendetta?
young meteor
i sorta have the same scenario rolek but opted to keep the NP
its my only one and i wanted to have it for vendetta windows
im just a heroic pleb but id assume it helps for fights that have add burst phases (azshara)
civic palm
and DD doesn't deal damage? o _O
If you wanna SIM for damage then follow the results so long they make sense.
ancient onyx
unless you need some really specific dmg listen to the sims
umbral mauve
i did played without NP earlier this raid too
scarlet sequoia
@young meteor my sim is the highest i think
cobalt pelican
np is not a requirement
scarlet sequoia
not gonna miss an opportunity to brag
cobalt pelican
especially with how much energy refund you get
civic palm
Simming for burst phases isn't really something you can do in SIMC/etc. so things like Vision of Perfection looks bad overall, even though it's better than your other options IF AND ONLY IF things line up better.
young meteor
lemme see the goodies
ancient onyx
@scarlet sequoia
cobalt pelican
my sim is higher :' )
young meteor
non worldvein
scarlet sequoia
ignore worldvein
arctic walrus
Raz somehow 600 ahead of me
cobalt pelican
i just took your sim and added +1 neck level
arctic walrus
would 3 sockets make up 600 difference
young meteor
now thats what i wanted to see
cobalt pelican
ya
civic palm
Yeah
arctic walrus
frick you then raz
scarlet sequoia
just wait bro
ancient onyx
1 socket is about 200 dps
civic palm
Each socket is about 250dps more than likely with that item level
ancient onyx
umbral mauve
i'm only at 51.3 :/
arctic walrus
I mean since azshara is dead I'll swap
40 islands away from still being bad
smh
civic palm
😐
arctic walrus
No azshara reclear for like a month and a half
civic palm
Plenty of time.
cobalt pelican
is deadly nav not better for you than force multiplier
arctic walrus
I want mission table boxes back so I can get loot 
cobalt pelican
prolly would b right
i've only seen force multiplier get worse as the tier goes on tbh
arctic walrus
I'll see when I actually have it
arctic walrus
how much of a diff tho
cobalt pelican
copying the gearset from your top gear shows like
230
o wait that's not right
i did it wrong
raidbots still defaulting to 4t zZz
scarlet sequoia
21 dps worse for me
civic palm
😐
cobalt pelican
i've been kinda slacking on mechagon runs since finishing up visions cause it feels like
a pipe dream to get 2 usable rings
but then i see ppl actually getting them
and idk if they're belssed by jesus or just have nice friends
civic palm
I keep getting healing rings 
cobalt pelican
it's such a boring dungeon to run though zZz
arctic walrus
I could just run the first 4 and hope for a good behind the rtarget ring
But a haste ring is pretty nice too
dark crag
Don't worry we will get the rings in 8.3 mecha m+
civic palm
8.3 Patch Notes
removes rings
dark crag
Thats also my guess
cobalt pelican
i imagine that the ppm will be lowered significantly at the very least
there's no way anyone on any class would play anything else
sour wasp
how high is it atm?
dark crag
15 sec icd i heard
cobalt pelican
4? i think
shy dust
Rings got a 15 sec cd
sour wasp
jeez
shy dust
Haste ring has like 90%+ uptime feels nice to have
arctic walrus
is human best race
scarlet sequoia
yes
cobalt pelican
think so ya
you could just check real quick with a sim but it's usually human > gnome > velf > others
arctic walrus
good i'm glad it's not something ugly
scarlet sequoia
imagine if worgen became the best
arctic walrus
That'll be the end of rogue for me sorry
civic palm
I am under Noggenfogger all of the time anyway.
scarlet sequoia
imagine not playing the best race @gusty kestrel
civic palm
Best not for DPS, that's for fucking sure.
arctic walrus
Did someone just move the outlaw channel above assassination for a split second
cobalt pelican
it was me
civic palm
They were trying to show you where OFF TOPIC ACTUALLY IS.
arctic walrus
best race for ASSASSINATION
arctic walrus
doing a heroic azshara wish me luck
civic palm
Nope, I am taking yours.
cobalt pelican
try not 2 choke
civic palm
1 per server.
arctic walrus
+5 on font is ~200+ dmg
opal oyster
is it normal for my second best source of damage to be melee?
civic palm
@opal oyster Depends on item level but auto attack is very strong this expansion.
civic palm
WHY WOULD YOU GO FEMALE?!
cobalt pelican
look how round you are
opal oyster
@civic palm thank you
arctic walrus
I didn't realize how fat they were
cobalt pelican
you're like a spheroid rolling around the raid
civic palm
Just fucking drown in Noggenfoggers you weirdos.
cobalt pelican
if you're not guild raiding for a few weeks prolly ya
arctic walrus
750 ap that's a big 1.67 worth of islands I didn't have to do
civic palm
w o o
cobalt pelican
buildin that bad luck prevention on your rolls
for when you hit mythic azshara again for the juicy font
cobalt pelican
what's stopping you just
waiting for reset
and it just being emissary handins+like 5 islands for the weekly
arctic walrus
idk what else to do
vapid scarab
@arctic walrus yo lemme get that WA
arctic walrus
arctic walrus
idk the link to it
civic palm
Yeah there's basically no use for that outside of this.
or like looking for upgrade I suppose.
#WAFacts
wide fossil
Where can i find the highest simed gear for assa?
tropic ocean
sour wasp
@wide fossil you mean people that sim the highest?
wide hedge
the moment you're the only rogue and are not allowed to go into delirium
only for bursting the add in the end...
sour wasp
my rl bless his heart put fire mages in delirium
wide hedge
we only have 1 fmage tho
fmage, dh, lock first
dh, feral, lock second
i dont understand this
latent gazelle
Why feral?
bleak spoke
@arctic walrus gratz
tribal marlin
one guy played assa in KR iirc
he was actually ahead of other OL in the big pull before 2nd boss
sand notch
kind bone
5, you need to stealth + prepot
iron vigil
what potion is best to use for single target?
quasi pewter
unbridled fury
strange python
the thistle thing
crystal vessel
any way to sim individual punch cards yet?
visual quartz
not seeing classes in MDI doesnt mean anything
balmy quest
plush relic
Which prepot and pot are you guys using for raids?
Oh nvm literally asked 30 minutes ago
muted maple
is this normal?
cobalt gyro
yes
muted maple
oh i shouldve simmed myself much earlier, i thought mainstat was king
vale quest
so that 2nd boss in TD, how do i see anything
the nameplates for the entire dungeon light up
above and below
muted maple
out of curiosity, why is mainstat poop? doesnt it give us crit and ap?
meager nebula
agility doesn't increase crit anymore
muted maple
ohh hmmm...
cobalt pelican
change your nemaplet distance to like 20 or something
civic palm
THE MOST INFORMATION
vale quest
what mod lets u do that
arctic walrus
advanced interface options
cobalt gyro
also most nameplate addons
civic palm
Some stop @ 60, not that you would...
ever need 100u nameplates O _O
AT SOME POINT...
yeah maybe.
true nexus
is galecallers considered bad
drifting cloud
not bad, just annoying as hell
near blade
playing a rogue alt. Are benthic boots and bracers good enough or is it worth pursuing gloves/belt?
drifting cloud
belt should be easy enough to get since theres only 2
full jungle
Go boots/bracers/hands /s
arctic walrus
It took me 40 islands to realize I've been running assassination azerite instead of outlaw
empty ravine
so like i have 1 ss and 2 dd and 3 vendetta one
do i want to open up with garrote, use cds (vendetta and essence), tb, then open up with garrotte again?
cause i run master assasin
drifting cloud
you should run whatever sims the highest
full jungle
Iirc ss is only really good when u run subterfuge
But yeah... pretty much whatever sims highest
drifting cloud
for 95% that will be no ss with MA, but its possible for ss with subt to sim more if you have some weird azerite pieces
empty ravine
hmm i guess i could get 3 ss
i have helm that has tk and dd, and another that is ss and np
ugg i hate having to sim
ya the only thing i can say for sure is that my highest azerite piece, my chest 445, only has the option of ss and np
so im pretty much looking at 3ss/3np or 1ss/2np, 2dd/1tk
brisk trail
new to this channel and didnt see this pinned if i use the trait nothing personal will the vendetta proc from visions of perfection essence proc the trait on the target?
austere ruin
what's MA opener nowadays?
arctic walrus
good morning zine 
rigid mango
Morning vel 
brisk trail
ty
arctic walrus
I have great news in 4 islands time
rigid mango
rigid mango
R1 logwhoring smh
arctic walrus
I've never seen a man more delusional since Omr's decision to fight off benthic gear
marble elm
pretty sure u could be dead on every boss and as long as u kill them all
u are rank 1
allstar
omr was right all along
crisp hollow
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nLkqy4REtyLN8cCJibCvo5 so i sim at 44.9k with ideal H trinkets, how should I look to further optimize? spam keys for socketed rings?
arctic walrus
betterish azerite, socketed rings/mecha rings
rigid mango
Mecha rings 
marble elm
need off finger ring https://i.imgur.com/0XTiGMR.png
arctic walrus
kick this dude out this discord pls
marble elm
marble elm
\
rigid mango
FUCK
marble elm
arctic walrus
What azerite do they even want
marble elm
who knows man
marble elm
i just pickd all the traits on my gear
rigid mango
This is a strict no-sub-talking area
marble elm
once they add the new spell
sudden ocean
Sub rogue 
rigid mango
⏪
crisp hollow
i didn't realize how impactful the mechagon ring effects are
sudden ocean
very