i d probably have gone 2 of each and 1 blightborne infusion and maybe TTB?
#assassination
spring pagoda
strange python
I've got Coral/Dice. No luck with inkpod yet 😦
vapid scarab
@spring pagoda any combination of SS/EB/TtK depending on the dungeon, group comp, and affixes that week
2/2/2 is generally a great all around setup
peak saffron
inkpod seems really good. just passively gets applied with AoE right?
a lot of free damage?
then you can line it up with coral for bosses
dusky tinsel
inkpod really doesnt do that much in M+
peak saffron
it's been like 2-3% of my damage as outlaw this week
dry zodiac
Guys, Bloodmallet shows Azerite Chest from Lions Roar as best piece, is there a way to get this chest on highilvl? was wondering if this piece dropps in the 430 chest from the heroic warfront
cobalt pelican
n o
you can disregard like 70% of the items on bloodmallet charts because they are unobtainable
dry zodiac
feelsbad
cobalt pelican
or maybe unobtainable is wrong to say, but the charts are formatted in a way that automatically scales up trait value without considering that the item cannot scale which makes them pretty much pointless
manic yew
3 SS and 1 DD or 2-2?
desert vault
What is the way to use coral in m+? Just use on CD basically?
thorny pivot
!Help
sour wasp
@manic yew for what? st? m+?
manic yew
st raid
sour wasp
stacking ss for st isn't that good
get the 2 dd 1 ss and maybe something else, and as always
sim it
manic yew
yeah i wanted to make sure 3 ss was either good or not so much
ill run my sims with the 2 DD thanks
sour wasp
@desert vault put it on a target that won't die straight away, maybe get like 4 stacks out of it
@desert vault the trink gets better the harder the key
neat crystal
!Essence
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
gentle osprey
should i run more than 1 stack or nothing personal ?
desert vault
Oh ok, I was just being lazy and casting it on CD pretty much figured that was good enough 😛
sour wasp
@gentle osprey most likely not, np is a one stack wonder, but the better answer is to topgear sim the alternatives
covert token
Hey guys. Any help for azerite in Mythic +. Should I run 2 EB, 2 TTK, and 2 SS. or 3 SS and 3 EB?
shy dust
covert token
Would that be the ideal setup? Or should I fish for something else?
vagrant tapir
Does the bloodmallet profile use an essences?
broken obsidian
Any chance of getting an updated assassination for m+? been hearing a lot of different azerite setups/even crimson tempest possiblities, just trying to figure out what is ideal
visual quartz
2/2/2 is like a go to for any situation, then you can go something little different depending on the dungeon your doing.
visual quartz
like for KR 3EB would not be ideal but more TTK would...having a very large selection to choose from is the most ideal
vapid scarab
I didn’t know being available on one piece in the entire game = easy to get, good to know
faint harness
i havent played assa m+ in a while
but last time
iris
or bote
and lucid minor
but thats just because i feel handicapped without lucid minor
noble vale
sour wasp
is vision minor on za qul a meme or people actually tried that sci fi bs?
i see no logs on it
manic yew
410 ilv 26k single target is not bad, considering my 423 outlaw gear pulls 25k lol. These are realistic pulls, obviously i sim a bit higher around 30 but still, hilarious. Need to work on my aoe dotting though
sour wasp
if you're 410 you should really care about numbers yet lol
dress that naked guy up first
sour wasp
ah, that's pretty rad
faint harness
so you had cds up for each add on zaqul
sour wasp
yeah, i figure
atomic geyser
so with SS/Sub build you delay Vendetta to pair with Vanish after pull, correct?
and then just Vanish Garrote x2 straight into Vend?
atomic geyser
yeah, ok
I was pretty sure that was correct but the guide says to vend on cd
and delay vanish
long anchor
Shouldn’t you delay vanish and just wait to pair them back up around 2:30? Does delaying your 1st vendetta accomplish anything different?
faint harness
it was ages ago i played with subterfuge on ST
i would assume you hold vanish until 2nd vendetta? 
long anchor
No
faint harness
what does it accomplish early on tho
long anchor
Empowered garrotes...?
faint harness
and then you'd not have it for 2nd vendetta
long anchor
You delay second vendetta about 20 seconds
vocal ginkgo
yeah u dont delay vanish
vocal ginkgo
its just like 20 secs wait time on second vendetta
rapid aurora
everyone seems to get all their BIS azerite gear really quick... wtf do i need to do to get those ASAP
hazy iron
ripe fjord
hey there
rapid aurora
i bought 2 445 and it couldnt be worse then what i bought ffs
ripe fjord
quick simple but dumb question should i wear just 1 Benthic oder all 4 of them ?
vocal ginkgo
BIS head is from zaqull, shoulders are gorak tuls azerite and chest think is behemoth or venture co think its called
ripe fjord
i came back to wow after 6 month Pause , so excuse me for some dumb questions like this one
vocal ginkgo
with azerite u just need to get lucky tbh
steep obsidian
read the pins redase
rapid aurora
being lucky wasnt made for me
vocal ginkgo
yeah shit happens, i bought a 445 azerite shoulders last week and got absolute dog shit lol
rapid aurora
same
uneven pecan
does cloak soak frenetic charge in court?
vocal ginkgo
damn unlucky
midnight flower
This is why I’m saving for specific piece the shoulders
vocal ginkgo
how long will that take tho
faint harness
weeeeks
rapid aurora
the whole expac
jolly trout
you have it when the tier is over
vocal ginkgo
lul
midnight flower
I’m at 70k
vocal ginkgo
rn im managing 15+ weekly
midnight flower
You guys will still be gambling for the shoulders mark my words and @me when you get them 🤣
vocal ginkgo
i got goraks first try last tier
midnight flower
Nice
steep obsidian
ive seen 2 guildies that werent rogues get them and complain
midnight flower
How about this tier
rapid aurora
anyone have some pov of every raid boss ?
vocal ginkgo
warcraft logs kinda has that
jolly trout
i didn't get why they didn't make it you farm your azerite pieces in m0 and buy upgrade tokens with your currency
faint harness
they enjoy rng mechanics
vocal ginkgo
that would be neat
faint harness
cus you're never done with the game
midnight flower
They could’ve done many things besides this current dog 💩
jolly trout
but the system is dogshit and you can't even gear for more than one specc if you arent super lucky
vocal ginkgo
behemoth is rough for melees so
rapid aurora
yeah the boss
vocal ginkgo
yeah lol
midnight flower
I do things like not get the 2nd puffer buff 🤣
midnight flower
Living dangerous
vocal ginkgo
u can maybe optmize the fight
faint harness
the only thing i do is save shadowstep for when the fish is dead
so i can get back to boss quickly
rapid aurora
yeah
i doo that
and its not only behemot
the first boss everything is fine its easy
vocal ginkgo
but was that like only in one fight or was he consistently higher?
midnight flower
Sounds like rotation issue
rapid aurora
this is the only fight im feeling like dog shit
faint harness
my best parse on behemoth is 36k dps
rapid aurora
when im at 30k dps he still sitting at 44
midnight flower
More mut more finishers = win
vocal ginkgo
i mean how different is the ilvl xD
rapid aurora
maybe 3 ilvl
midnight flower
Blows my mind people still garrote out of stealth and vanish with no ss
vocal ginkgo
think he is referring like mid fight
rapid aurora
29***
faint harness
i see
vocal ginkgo
unless he has got much better trinkets u gotta fix that cuz it aint normal then
rapid aurora
ill drop the logs if you want to take a quick look :p
bold elk
!benthic
vocal ginkgo
2nd platform gives me nightmares
rapid aurora
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Kw4mbantB79hTjfJ/ my name is leo lulu
leolulu*
faint harness
almost every single top parse on behemoth is killing it on 2nd platform
vocal ginkgo
feels like an eternity getting to puffer or to boss
jolly trout
jeah puffers on second are miles away
tropic ocean
Your dots have very bad uptime
Make sure to full duration dot fish before he switches platform they keep ticking while you are swimming
Also you utilize your master assassin windows very bad
You pop vanish and in ma window you use bote, razor coral, rupture and garotte
Thats really awful you want to prepare all that beforehand so you can utilize vanish and bote buff to pump big hitter envenoms
@rapid aurora
fervent jasper
Now that outlaw has an expiration date set
Should I take hidden blades or pb in m+
?
cursive adder
is benethic boots crit dmg bonus affected by item ilvl?
gentle osprey
#assassination so guys, I’m hitting a steady 37-40k dos on mythic Ashland with a triple double dose, nothing personal, twist the knife and blight borne with 3x overwhelming power, was wondering if that’s a good comp for pure single target dps and what others are hitting on myhtic ashvane👍🏼
sullen pagoda
and belt, the aoe one that is
gentle osprey
@tropic ocean cheers, we haven’t killed her yet cos I think others dos isn’t the best tbh, they aren’t working their classes to the best but as long as I’m doing the dps I’m doing my bit👍🏼
fervent jasper
Hidden blades or PB? Bout to do a key
gentle osprey
Yeah I use coral 430 slotted and Harlan’s but I was thinking of using that laser beam trinket instead
It aims higher however it gets messed up with the coral
tropic ocean
harlans isnt as good anymore given what other options we have
gentle osprey
What should I be aiming for in mythic raiding instead?
tropic ocean
Inkpod is really strong on ashvane and especially with coral
Highest dps setup is azshara+ ashvane but inkpod is very strong for progress
gentle osprey
Yeah I have a 430 pod which is nice however I would like the Sahara one, Inkpod is amazing on ash and because you can get free stacks on the shield
Just our group isn’t getting her to 30% which is annoying
vapid scarab
@gentle osprey cyclo doesn't get messed up with another on use at all, by the time you should be using cyclo anyway the trinket icd is already over
tropic ocean
the good part is it saves dmg for when you really need it in last phase
gentle osprey
@vapid scarab should I try that one a little more maybe?
gentle osprey
Raid, I’m doing my spa check but every bit of dps helps I guess
chilly marsh
mechagon haste ring is better than the dmg one
gentle osprey
Cheers for the help @vapid scarab and @tropic ocean
lime echo
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3yAb8wub6dma87p7bEH3Jc Hello rogues, can you help me and tell me why i don't have nearly of 37k dps on boss but only 30k ??
vapid scarab
because you aren't playing the spec right
vapid scarab
because you aren't playing the spec right
gentle osprey
I’m guessing you ain’t doing the rotation correctly
Keeping dots active constantly, using cd’s at the right time with certain cool downs essences may not be being used right either
lime echo
ok according to you what is the good rotation ?
umbral hemlock
1,1,1,3,1,1,1,2
gentle osprey
Imo I use garrote-mutilate-rupture-aahvanes+vendetta+vanish-enevenoms- essence then spam multilateral and enevenom (whilst buffed fully using unbridled fury with 3xdouble dose)
peak saffron
wrong opener
clever shadow
I see alot of people taling about Twist the knife.. is having 2 a bad thing?
vapid scarab
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
vapid scarab
@gentle osprey
gentle osprey
Oooo thanks 😛
clever shadow
I'm 3 dd, 2 ttk, 1 np, and only 1op currently
fleet whale
that is my exact set up lol
low tapir
@gentle osprey ashvanes isn’t on the global so no reason not to use it earlier that that. Just press it the same time you do your first Mutilate or something.
peak saffron
Mutilate, Rupture, Mutilate, Garrote, Condensed Life Force, Vendetta, Toxic Blade, Vanish, Envenom, Mutilate till more than 4 combo points, Envenom
@gentle osprey
low junco
tfw i am running the old opener
tropic ocean
using vanish while having 0 cp is big nono with ma
fleet whale
that's what i do too lol
tropic ocean
well its not the most optimal bit
low junco
but i am unsure if its a dmg loss
peak saffron
mutilate inside of your MA is more important than garrote
tropic ocean
But yeah its not a giga loss
peak saffron
especially with double dose
tropic ocean
so if you like it better use it
gentle osprey
How come @peak saffron ?
low junco
idk
tropic ocean
It wont drop you from 37k to 30k
tropic ocean
its a little gain to mut rup mut
clever shadow
god I wish I was posting somewhere near there..
fleet whale
isn't a pretty minor difference either way
clever shadow
I hit 30k and Im quite pleased
peak saffron
having the ability to play more optimized and not doing it 🤔
low junco
i might actually just use the new opener idk
i am just used to the old one thats why i cba
but i guess if u say its better
faint harness
do you mean mut-rup-mut?
low junco
yeah
tropic ocean
feeling uncomfortable for a very minor gain 🤔
faint harness
only feels like shit if you dont get 4 cps from first mut
tropic ocean
just do your thing neurocloud
faint harness
it also feels the best way to open
low junco
i mean
minmaxing sounds good
i just have to remember it
ill make a sticky and stick it on my monitor so i dont forget it
tropic ocean
its really nice for the 5cp pump envenom
low junco
ive seen people opening with
fleet whale
i miss the true MA opener... the leggo shoulders opener
low junco
Life force> muti > rupture >garrote
tropic ocean
wasted energy
faint harness
life force pre-pull?
low junco
yes
tropic ocean
and you have little cp after that garrote
faint harness
ur bot probably just didnt get 4 cp from first mut
tropic ocean
yeah
faint harness
its just a sample sequence
faint harness
but why
tropic ocean
no garrote
low junco
no idea
tropic ocean
Mut rup mut
faint harness
when you can get 50% more crit on 2 muts
low junco
faint harness
instead of.. a garrote gcd
low junco
i see
tropic ocean
Mut 2cp garrote 3cp tb 4 cp
tropic ocean
So at least 4cp envenom
low junco
til the vanish
peak saffron
Mutilate
Rupture
Mutilate
Garrote
Vendetta
Toxic Blade
Vanish
Envenom
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Envenom
faint harness
mut-rup-mut-gar-rocky-vend-tb-vanish-env-mut-env
peak saffron
but like the bot did, mutilate > mutilate > rupture > garrote if you get 3 or less cp on the first mutilate
tropic ocean
mut rup mut gar vend tb vanish hearthstone
faint harness
jump around-tricks tank-channel font-go invis-prepot-mut-rup-mut-gar-rocky-vend-tb-vanish
low junco
peak saffron
eat food, ready check, click ready, watch countdown, jump around-tricks tank-channel font-go invis-prepot-mut-rup-mut-gar-rocky-vend-tb-vanish
low junco
get summoned eat food, ready check, click ready, watch countdown, jump around-tricks tank-channel font-go invis-prepot-mut-rup-mut-gar-rocky-vend-tb-vanish
tropic ocean
write 4x 123 in chat - explain lead why you are not there - get summoned - say you need another cuz you forgot reforge - flask food - ask for tome to change subterfuge - ready check - pulltimer - channel font - stealth - prepot - someone pulls at 2 - reset boss
Wait 50 sec for pot
🖖🏿
low junco
waiting for pot
faint harness
best thing is
low junco
reminds me of my last raid
peak saffron
true gaming experience
faint harness
doing all the pre-pull prep bullshit and someone fucks up 10 seconds into the pull
tropic ocean
even before pull
tropic ocean
Fkin solar wrath monkeys not staying max range
low junco
who just has to prepull on the 3rd second
that one boomie who doesnt do mechanics/damage and sims 5k more than u
tropic ocean
share weak aura
tropic ocean
Bestest
tropic ocean
i hated heroix azshara with 30 man of whom 10 cant read or wasd
low junco
i saved the azshara kill for our guild aswell which was 
tropic ocean
Having 10 sanction stacks every decree
tropic ocean
true hero
vocal ginkgo
what a fucking beast
vocal ginkgo
faint harness
Bra healing reju
low junco
thats some m+ stuff between guildies
sudden juniper
does anyone know purification protocol is any good in m+?
fleet whale
far too random, and might kill adds that aren't all that important
fierce pivot
Does vision of perfection proc Nothing personal?
sudden juniper
Seliathan uses it
so that's why i'm asking
i don't get why either
maybe one of you had an explaination
civic palm
There are aberrations in some places.
near python
Mr seli tends to try random stuff out a lot. Maybe he finds it good, but he is probably just trolling because he is a lazy slacker who doesn't have r3 bote (:
sudden juniper
fair enough ^
desert vault
is there a path to shroud at start of Underrot this week or is it blocked off?
lusty narwhal
Anyone here use afenars?
civic palm
Sure would be nice if you could just, message him :3
rapid aurora
anyone know if double dose is affected by mastery
lucid yew
Yea , Mastery causes poisons to do more dmg and Double Dose is a poison
royal lantern
agonizing poison is still in the aura? interesting
rancid bobcat
did someone here have an emoji labeled kekbomb
normal shale
Hey one thing I kind of struggle with running SS and Subterfuge, is during rotation, when vanish comes back up. How do I set myself up for the perfect vanish garrote? and do I utilize it to refresh rupture or put in an envenom
I always end up wasting combo points it feels
Finisher, Mut, Vanish, Garrote, Finisher, Garrote?
vapid scarab
if you have a garrote already running you can just garrote once
normal shale
Empowered garrote, on non-empowered gives pandemic empowered right?
royal lantern
yes it does
lucid yew
Garrote > Garrote > Rupture if u don't have it on target or it's running off in less than 5-7sec? otherwise envenom ?
royal lantern
just never cast a normal garrote over a ss/subterfuge boosted one, let it run out/re-apply at 1sec
normal shale
Doesn't Garrote garrote lose me a combo point?
lucid yew
Gives you 4 combo points I believe , Five if u use Toxic blade ?
vapid scarab
if you have SS yes
you will overcap 1
and idk why you would be using sub without at least 1 SS
normal shale
Ya I'm running SS. That's kind of what I was getting at, I found my muscle memory doing vanish garrote garrote, and it felt like I was wasting a combo point and not playing right.
lucid yew
Does it actually matter because it outvalues that one combo points
vapid scarab
of course it matters, you can do the same thing without wasting that cp, so why would you choose to waste it
royal lantern
on st you want too do garrote>rupture>garrote
in aoe just do 3xgarrote, the dmg is worth more then the lost CP
vapid scarab
or g>env>g
royal lantern
3cp envenom? what?
vapid scarab
who says you vanished with 0cp
lucid yew
monkaHMM
normal shale
Ya I'm not talking about the opener, I'm talking about when vanish comes back up, mid-rotation. What's my best "setup" play.
vapid scarab
if you have garrote running you just garrote once and continue on
if you don't then you want to have 2cp and g>finish>g
plain moon
The ravenholdt guide is telling me to use toxic blade at 5cp before I envenom. Do I always do this and just waste the CP or is this just for the opener/anytime with envenom?
cobalt gyro
tb at 5 is fine
cobalt gyro
you want to use TB on cooldown
if that means if comes up and you have 5 cp, just use it
you should plan around it and try to have 3-5 cp, tho
plain moon
Alright ty
sullen sphinx
very aware theres a pin but im still need clarification, how do you use font and coral together
using font before your second vendetta mkes it where you cant use coral during vendetta
unless im doing it wrong
civic palm
Check #tc-updates
plain moon
What is causing my Mutilate from stealth to sometimes give me 3cp and sometimes 4? I have to be missing something obvious
plain moon
Okay yeah, makes sense
So in my opener if I only get 2-3CP from my first mut do I still follow the rotation guide and insta rupture or should i do another mut?
cedar timber
the openers on Ravenholt say if you need to Mutilate till 4+ combo points
jaunty arch
does shadowcraft not exist anymore?
honest needle
so outlaw is getting a huge nerf im really sad
back to sin i guess
u guys think sin will pull ahead for m+
crisp hollow
no
magic fossil
rotation for MA, still de same? garrote mutilate, or it changed?
bronze kelp
U see at is posted right above your post?
That's the opener from the guide. The rotation stays the same
plain moon
Do you guys go for the instant rupture or stack up combos at the start?
dense cedar
wdym?
dense cedar
i usually just second mut into rupture
since it changes almost nothing
u shouldn't get 2 cp off of your first mut tho
how much crit do u have?
plain moon
I was assuming that I want to go for second mut if i dont get the double crit
plain moon
at 3 you wont though?
crisp hollow
do we use MFD/DS at all with essences?
dense cedar
No @crisp hollow
plain moon
Do I only want to go for 3cp finishers while under master assassin?
dense cedar
I personally would, but not entierely sure if that's correct @plain moon
dense cedar
Are you able to give better insight to the earlier question? @rigid mango
rigid mango
I've thought of it before but it's only feely craft shit
I think you can accept doing 3cp rup in opener
If shit doesn't crit
But in any ma window 4+ for envenoms
dense cedar
ye enveom defs
i was just thinking
3cp is fun
the duration doesn't conflict with the gcds prior to tb or tb istelf
rigid mango
Aye
dense cedar
but i just 4cp no matter what
rigid mango
But we don't have fun here
dense cedar
cos just used to it
dense cedar
i have fun when i proc subterfuge off my shadowmeld in M+
rigid mango
Feels aweful to muti agaon on 3 cp
dense cedar
rigid mango
dense cedar
I miss Master Assassin shoulders
dense cedar
wiat what
heavy trail
I get all my info here.... and it's great.
dense cedar
pvp spec??
heavy trail
I told him to come here and we can help him learn also 😃
bronze kelp
Guess the group had no clue about assa
heavy trail
probably upset im no outlaw
rigid mango
Fotm people in low keys 
uneven topaz
prepot is agility one or ?
dense cedar
in raid use Unbridled Fury as your potion @uneven topaz
uneven topaz
thank you
dense cedar
Agi is fine for M+ tho
dense cedar
rigid mango
I mean it's just flat agi I just think the agi is more at 4t and above than under
Iirc
Gotta start having 3 diff pots on me for m+
dense cedar
u an alch or? @rigid mango
dense cedar
sometimes i just collect the herbs then sell them to buy pots
Tho sometimes i got those 10+ procs
and makes me start self-making again
dense cedar
Is that Enginerring helm better than the 7th boss helm?
dense cedar
k
I got a 430 one
doesn't seem like enough of an upgrade to forsake my profession tho
rigid mango
Yeah I'm just lazy and cba doing that shit
If I'd pre prepped I woulda tried to get the lw legs/jc ring
crisp hollow
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gqonetyQHuF261bVKMLVBv LW boots > benthic for me it seems
(i get CLF r3 on tues and my trinkets/rings are butt don't shame the low dps lol)
dense cedar
Should run MA if you have no SS traits @crisp hollow
crisp hollow
oops yeah i do normally
switched to patchwerk set to type /simc but didnt change talents
checking now
with MA
crisp hollow
i have big crit rings too but i basically ran topgear then added them to the topgear setup
could run with waycrest and siege rings (the one with haste)
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/py3da8M5pGFfT6fpi4CEVo yeah still minimal with MA, will try with higher crit
rigid mango
What's your crit at % wise
crisp hollow
34 with crit rings on
1700
1712*
wait no it doesnt
lmfao
oops
looks like an upgrade cuz lower
initial dps
plain moon
Thanks @rigid mango @dense cedar ❤
crisp hollow
my mastery is super low with pretty much every set though, should I be concerned?
literally none in any non-ring pieces, only one mainstat mast ring
dense cedar
if all the gear you have is being simmed you can't really do anything about that except doing more gear runs
crisp hollow
yeah im mostly just surprised at how irrelevant benthic boots appear to be for me
not even comparing them to crafted with good stats
having non-420 azerite and a coral would be nice tho
dense cedar
it'd be cool having an azerite chest piece above 405 that's an upgrade
crisp hollow
wow even emissaries shafted you?
thats rough
i unboxed a turban last week so the pain is real
dense cedar
hoping for that big weekly chest to finally give me an upgrade
dreaming about that chest piece
the golden idol
urban drift
can the shadow emissary damage be cloaked?
scarlet ingot
yeah
latent fog
is 25% of haste for rogue assassin too much ? iv seen rogues in m+ ranks with max 15%
crisp hollow
haste not great in M+ but good ST
solid nova
empty ravine
ugg i cant figure out how sin raid st rotation should be
i have 2 double dose and 1 shrouded suff
so should i get master assasin and open with garrote?
empty ravine
are you sure that does more dps :o?
getting shroud over master sin
just confused as to when or why ppl get master sin if thats the case
crisp hollow
because you dont run SS in patchwerk sets usually
rigid mango
You'd rather not run any ss
But subt is not far from MA even with 0 ss traits
So yeah, entirely sure.
rigid mango
For raid, yeah
empty ravine
ya im talking pure st dps
rigid mango
The only encounter you'd run SS on would possibly be court, but there's not really an argument for it anyways
empty ravine
cause i know ss is better for cleaving and such
stone crescent
Is the opener with CLF same as blood of the enemy with the whole tb-vanish-envenom-mut(to4or5)-envenom?
Except putting CLF cast before vend?
empty ravine
pure single target
stone crescent
Yeah checked pins, saw the thing about using it on cd but wasnt sure if switching to clf meant i was still to do vanish-env-mut-env
rigid mango
Pure st, the best trait setups are 3 dd 1 np bbi ttk 3 op or 2 dd 1 ttk loyal np bbi 3 op
I mean, you always want to do that gg?
stone crescent
cause before i use dto do vanish-tb-mut-env
since it was safer or something with CP
rigid mango
I mean
Those are personal pref diffs
One is a bit riskier but with higher highs, one is a bit safer
I always vanish tb
rigid mango
Trade winds is quite meh
The only non sin ones rhat are good realistically are bbi/loyal/swirling sands
rigid mango
🙏
rigid mango
Just need another 3/4 pieces socketed now 
magic fossil
guys, need an opinion, i do h ave coral, ashazara and orgozoa, simming myself ofc give me azshara and coral, but we stuck in ashvane, should i change?
crisp hollow
i have wrists and belt socketed at 420
rigid mango
Ah fair
crisp hollow
i dont care about the gloves too much but i may as well
crisp hollow
oh wow
rigid mango
Azshara hands are better at higher levels though
magic fossil
anyone?
rigid mango
Inkpod is good on ashvane
Dunno if better than coral + font though
Depends when you need the damage
rigid mango
Then go ink
magic fossil
3rd shielding going by 29
crisp hollow
what slot should i be gambling chalk on
rigid mango
Do a droptimizer sim
rigid mango
How many loyal allies are you simming?
You should really sim more to get a realistic view on the strength of the trait
The potential strength, anyways
upbeat geyser
might be a dumb question but, whats the opener rotation w/ Condensed Life-Force , with Master Assassin and no SS traits
i can help but feel inefficient
just sticking a global in randomly to use CLF
empty ravine
anyone tell me if arcane heart is worth the azerite trait?
empty ravine
also i hear undulating tides is also a good trait
rigid mango
It's sim bait
empty ravine
but dont let the shield proc
upbeat geyser
@rigid mango thanks for the direction! 😃
uneven topaz
hello just one noober question with azshara and ashvane trinket you can't use them both during vendetta on single target. Is a chance to proc trinket instead of ashvane better in this case? or you just sync the azshara one with vendetta and proc the ashvane one after?
rigid mango
merry sage
Hi guys,i need help.
https://it.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YcPTHGFRw8QhkXKJ#fight=3&type=summary&source=28
I don't know what's wrong with me,i do a very low dps and i don't understand where is the problem. Help plz D:
rigid mango
Read about it there @uneven topaz
uneven topaz
oh ok ty
rigid mango
@merry sage you should be running subt not master assassin
uneven topaz
omfg lol
Summary of example timings: 4s precombat Font, Coral ASAP to start stacking.... Font when ready again at 1:56, Vendetta before next TB around 2:10, Coral into it at 2:16 <----- dem blizzard designers xd
scarlet hinge
How should I go about upgrading my benthic? have bracer & feet at 420, belt and glove at 415 currently. Feet to 425 asap ?
dense cedar
If I'm simming Loyal to End without knowing the raid makeup waht would be a good number to put?
rigid mango
The % is flat and doesn't increase w ilvl
dense cedar
2?
scarlet hinge
I wasn't aware of that @rigid mango, thanks, so would you upgrade the rest at the same time or focus one to 425 then move on ?
rigid mango
Get everything to 420
dense cedar
@strange python 👁
rigid mango
Then upgrade wrist>hands>waist>feet
strange python
Guys, i am new to rogue and trying to main this class. My focus will be both raiding and M+, and since outlaw is getting nerfed i wonder is Assasination good for M+? I know its amazing for raiding but wanna know about m+
rigid mango
Yes, sin is amazing for m+
latent drum
guys fast question i got benthic wrist physical dmg one with socket is it good or should i try the frost dmg ?
latent drum
kk ty
prime wharf
My rogue has a problem. its simming horribly low despite being 426 with what I thought was ok gear? Mastery is simming immensely above Haste and a little above crit. This doesn't seem right.
rigid mango
Do you have all benthics?
rigid mango
Yeah, benthics impact the ilvl -> damage ratio alot
So do sockets
Ilvl isn't really a metric to go off of this patch
strange python
Even though u get 430+ at only +10, so 426 is still very low this season
prime wharf
I know, but I've seen other rogues around my ilvl simming 6k higher. That can't be just benthic.
rigid mango
Trinkets are meh, you're forced into subt, you don't have clf r3
Raid trinkets are fucking stupid
Coral and font are so far ahead
Of any other trinkets
prime wharf
Is double on-use a thing for Sin these days? I've got Font+Balefire madness on my other character.
heavy trail
@prime wharf
Im wearing 427 simming 42.5k with 3/4 benthics (405,415,420)
prime wharf
Grinding out the Mechagon rep at least, need to run the dungeon some more times and get a high punchcard.
Also need to roll some 445 Azerite that's not a downgrade.
Unlike this week...
dense cedar
Replaced my chest with Behemoth chest
prime wharf
I've done the heroic raid a few times but never past Queen's Court. Groups give up rather than try Zaqul.
Since I have 430 socket wrists already, non-benthic, I'd guess I'd target boots and gloves. I'll sim those quickly. I don't believe they'd be like 3k+ each, never had that on my mage but eh.
I have a guild, I don't do heroic runs with them because I'm doing poor dps.
I've been droptimizing mythic10s and everything simmed as minor upgrades, which I found especially weird.
I didn't do the benthics yet.
Maybe gameplay. I think I need to pool more energy for TB so I can make more use of DD and Envenom.
empty ravine
i can get dd and ss or ss and np but i cant get dd and np
what should i do :o?
i have 2 dd, 0 ss, 1 np
prime wharf
Respec endlessly depending on the content you're doing
Hmm. Am I right assuming that Lucid Major is what's causing haste to tank so much for me? I won't have CLF R3 for many weeks yet.
prime wharf
Makes sense. I don't have Crucible R3 yet. Barely have 62 neck on my other char.
Well, guess I got a lot of grinding to do. And many weeks yet. Azshara in pugs is nooooooot happening.
rigid mango
He did say it was an alt iirc
prime wharf
Yep.
I'll try for a socket Vims for now. Socket Akanas already drove me mad once. 94 tries, and I've seen people with far higher attempts.
Thanks for confirming that I'm not totally insane on why my rogue suddenly sucks compared to BoD.
strange python
benthic gear is the reason i am about to quit wow this season. at least classic is around the corner
prime wharf
I'll take Benthic RNG over raid trinket RNG any day.
fringe marsh
!azerite
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Azerite overview: https://bit.ly/2U86I7o
prime wharf
Enjoy watching druid T2 drop for months!
Benthic you can work on infinitely in your own time at least, until you hit your 120 alts limit anyway. Raid trinket, 1/2 chances per week is your lot.
tropic ocean
can't wait for classic bubble to burst
so all these ppl that weren't even max lvl yelling classic bestest will figure out that classic was very very time consuming
faint harness
Meh i just hope ppl will be too occupied by playing their game so we get rid of their whine
strange python
its not about the grind i am complaining. its about the most unfun grind
how come 415 benthic with socket sims higher than 450 warforged mythic boots i have on my mage. and thats excluding nazjatar zone passive
faint harness
When is grind ever fun?
I think you're being a bit delusional if you think farming 10 rep kills is fun
strange python
no but no one is forcing you to do 10 rep kills
but they are forcing me to do benthic gear grind because its better than 455 titanforged mythic piece. why? who the fck knows
faint harness
you're not forced to do anything
faint harness
if you're raiding heroic or normal it legit doesnt matter at all if you have benthic or not
strange python
who said i was raiding heroic or normal
besides benthic gear are still better outside of eternal palace because u can get it with a socket
cobalt gyro
If you have a 455 TF piece and a benthic piece is why you're not competitive it's probably not the benthic
Cause it won't be that much better than a 455
strange python
i am competitive because i had to kill myself farming the benthic
but that was horrible design
are you seriously suggesting that its not a bad design?
I agree tbh. benthic is horrible design.
faint harness
you'll all be happy when you run lvl 40 dungeon items in 60 raids
or when you realize that bosses in classic drops 2 items per boss distributed to 40 ppl
strange python
i am not comparing it to classic, i am saying benthic is a ridiculous idea and hence i will be dropping this season.
strange python
bejeweled gear being better than mythic gear is a meme.
cobalt gyro
Playerbase: "loot sucks and is boring"
adds interesting loot that's strong
Playerbase:
faint harness
strange python
Push i dont have to realize anything i know how classic works, but i am not comparing it to bfa. i am simply stating the fact
adds itneresting loot thats strong that comes from doing WQ, thats the problem
faint harness
yea cus different wqs being present is such a terrible thing. Cant have anything other than mindlessly killing 15 of some mob.
reef sky
strange python
u do not need any skill to do WQ, so why should you be getting the best possible pieces for it?
dark crag
How is socket gear from hc a meme when it sims higher than mythic gear?
strange python
i mean, i agree, why should wq gear be better than mythic?
its funny how people instantly jump to trash classic instead of addmitting bfa is a huge mess when it comes to gear
except classic is a 16 year old game
and bfa was realeased last year
faint harness
Because ppl say "oh shit man, i cant wait until i can play classic to avoid this trash gearing"
and then when you present them with classic gearing facts
its all "but its not a comparison"
strange python
Gearing isny why people go to classic, its about the commnity
cobalt gyro
Tanks are still using trinkets from mythic bod in mythic EP
faint harness
yea the private server community sure is a loving one, we've seen that much since nost shut down
faint harness
i'll play classic too, but i wont pretend its gonna be soooo different and that the grind is gonna be amazingly fun
its a time travel machine
strange python
anyway, to sum things up, the only problem i have with season 3 is how powerful sockets are and how powerful benthic is. its stupid
faint harness
sockets have been powerful since they introduced it as an RNG affix on items
cobalt gyro
I think sockets would be fine if they were more common/base on mythic gear
strange python
except boars dont drop better gear than naxxramas
see the problem now?
ok then, u do you : )
daring olive
Struggling to see how this convo is related to assassination
dense minnow
https://puu.sh/E3SLk/bd01c1beff.png Can someone explain why Vanish for 2xMut 1x EnV and not 2xEnv and 1x Mut ???
strange python
finally some assasination thread, please help this fella. i am out. gl
dense minnow
Vanish was last uses 0:08
faint harness
cus it uses tb earlier and doesnt have vanish for it
and want to fit envenoms in the tb window
daring olive
Meant to use Tb with vanish
dense minnow
it could have just uses Vanish 1 global earlier and buff 2x Env
dense minnow
you need even less energy for 2x Env than for Muts ... that what i thought initialy
cobalt pelican
you're not wrong
but the only constraints on vanish
are that the debuffs are there
the sim is stuck at 170 energy and getting rid of that takes 'priority' over the vanish
faint harness
its at 170 energy ye
dense minnow
how does vanish influence that ?
cobalt pelican
it's just a weird overlap of sim stuff, you'd be better vanishing prior to the env but it's likely a tiny difference if you're playing dd
faint harness
theres probably a reason
dense minnow
hm.... seems wrong to me ... but whatever, probably micro difference
faint harness
probably something about bot prioritizing dumping energy over using vanish, but it doesnt make sense to us.
daring olive
If you've already used vendetta your job isn't necessarily to dump energy, it's to vanish and get maximum envenoms in your TB
faint harness
ye but waht im saying is that the bot might be programmed to dump energy above anything else and that fucks it up
obviously in a real setting you wouldnt play it like that
daring olive
The prio is defo wrong in the Sim idd
cobalt pelican
it could be fixed by just adding a check to envenom
for if vanish is like
<2sec cd
or rather, off cd
it ignores the variable energy check
but i doubt that would make a change that is outside margin of error
especially since it probably happens in 1/5000 iterations
faint harness
pretty much
prime geode
how much haste is ok for m+ ?
placid dawn
Depends on the week and affixes
I usually take about 15
And I don't worry too much about it, I just swap rings for stats that I want
prime geode
so I guess more haste on tyrannical weeks and more mastery crit on fortified ?
drifting cloud
15 is way too much
vocal kelp
sub 10 is good
cobalt gyro
As little as you can get basically
rigid mango
You literally want 0
rigid mango
quiet elbow
Handy place that will tell me how to use ashvane razor coral for ass?
It says here "How to use Razer Coral trinket?
- For Assa, stack the crit conversion use with Vendetta. Coral also has a great synergy with the Dribbling Inkpod sub 30%.
"
But i'm wondering about the opener, do i not use the crit on my first vendetta but all following ones?
vast forum
exactly
daring olive
You can't use the crit on your first vendetta, it'll be on cooldown
quiet elbow
Right, makes sense. Cool trinket now that I understand it
Kind of a bitch to fit in my UI nicely, I had to make room for the essence now this too
Would it see much use in M+? Just on tyrannical maybe?
daring olive
When you kill a mob with coral activated you gain the stacks it has on it, coral has pretty good value in m+
dense minnow
does anyone know if inkpod scales with BotE R3?
quiet elbow
Is there a way to macro the application into a spell but not the consumption?
dense minnow
@quiet elbow no
daring olive
Inkpod works with all crit amplifiers
steady owl
If when im playing sin in mythics. should i go with unstable flames or overwhelming power? i was thinking that the extra crit from unstable flames would be good with eb
scarlet sequoia
overwhelming is so far ahead of the other minor traits
so probably the best bet 😃
daring olive
OP >UF
cobalt gyro
OP is an insane proc even in dungeons it's not terrible
gleaming viper
guys, benthic Waist: 2% damage to aberrations is really worth ? there is only 2 aberrations boss if im not wrong
sullen pagoda
the other one is more worth imo
gleaming viper
yes i think too
calm wedge
Hey, i wanna have fun, do you know if there is a way to setup your energy at 150 for the whole fight in simc ? (infinite energy)
dapper plover
gambling for azerite is haram
dense cedar
Its worth it if u have the spare Pearls @gleaming viper
jovial oriole
quick little off topic question: can demon hunters dash while being concealed by a rogue shroud without breaking it? and can paladins use their horse?
royal lantern
not sure tbh, but the dh dash does dmg sooo....it will pull stuff anyway
bronze kelp
U can use anything the does no dmg
dense minnow
if you play Font of Power + Coral + BotE, is it worth to use TB in the overlap window or is uptime still more important ?
dense minnow
@royal lantern any "Ability" used will cancel shroud for the global, so no paladins can use horse neither can DH use dash
dense minnow
there are few exceptions to this, but thats the general rule
if you are in aggro range the moment use use stuff you pull
bronze kelp
Yeah, but I wanna know it in general
On long shrouds people use speedbuffs etc. But they use it normally at the start (temple e.g.) so I can really say what's wrong or right
real bay
i know pala horse gets out of shroud if used
bronze kelp
But but maxqlt s version sounds correct somehow
bronze kelp
Hm.. But as tryan said, just don't use skills in shroud near enemy groups
final hull
boys ? can you send me some easy tacts for eternal palace ? (i watched fatboss and readed wowhead and icy veins)
rigid mango
Then you have all you need
final hull
i mean something like this https://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2018/july/uldirMini.png
ripe fjord
hey guys, whats the difference between Master Assassin talented the new way and old way ?
rigid mango
The first globals of the opener
Damage is super low
You'll only feel the diff, but the actual end of combat dps is small and most likely not noticable
ripe fjord
which one is the preferred ? like big D dps at beginning ?
rigid mango
New is slightly better
lone junco
what is "new"
cobalt pelican
it's literally just pressing 2 mutilates inside ma
and then reorganizing it so that garrote goes up 4th global
lone junco
vanish mut mut env?
cobalt pelican
ah no, on the opener only
lone junco
meh