depends I'd say
#assassination
rigid mango
I'm unsure about what's worth more tbh
distant lava
of the platform
distant lava
it's cool they aren't major mistakes I didn't know I was making 
rigid mango
like just between envenoms
like, do you pool to 80 ish energy every env
to get 2nd within ep?
- 1/2 mutis in env window too
distant lava
I'd say I pull before every env
rigid mango
it's minmaxing, but yeah
distant lava
cause with 3 dd I think it's more worth to be able to cast muts in those windows
than clipping the 10% for an env
quick citrus
Updated, only shows if it is your coral now. https://wago.io/-NNVOVedm
distant lava
but for like a week I was pooling after my env and not before
and once I just thought about it and was like
rigid mango
distant lava
that's dumb
rigid mango
No kidding 
but yeah no
I see no rotational flaws
the tb windows are clean and on cd, the cds are used properly
this that yadda yadda, just use step idjut
distant lava
I just need to do this everypull then 
rigid mango
What'd you replace?
distant lava
shoulders
distant lava
with 445 gorak tuls
marble elm
feint is for pussies
rigid mango
You need to make your healers work a bit
rigid mango
🅱ussy
distant lava
cause that way they didn't see I was ignoring the strat for dmg
rigid mango
All people care about are meters 
rigid mango
sin spriest above
cyan wren
hey @rigid mango question i was looking at ravendholt opener and it says to gar mut rup ven mut db why doesnt it say vanish in there
raven locust
Wouldn't it be better to Vendetta > TB > Vanish > Envenom? Especially if they have TTK
delicate flume
should i always do a full cast when using Font of Power?
cyan wren
ty @rigid mango
rigid mango
@delicate flume yes @raven locust sims have been done, indicate diff is neglible and actually doesn't matter
rigid mango
Yep
delicate flume
ty sir you are a gentleman and a scholar
raven locust
24k vs 10k non-crit any difference still counts
rigid mango
Get as low energy as possible and channel
You can argue the sims if you want to 😄
rigid mango
Like I said, negligible diff
raven locust
It all matters, if it takes no effort to gain even a small amount of dps why not do it
austere ruin
hello all, how u guys manage to use life-force in your rotation?
rigid mango
Sure.
raven locust
I use lfie force before I vendetta
austere ruin
is there cast time on life?
raven locust
Just a GCD
austere ruin
koo
austere ruin
ty
dapper wraith
2xSS 2xEB 1xTTK 1xNP decent for m+?
quasi pewter
i wouldnt use any np
visual quartz
yeah
strange python
1 np is ok for high tyrannical big boi bosses otherwise it sucks
What can you get instead
bleak spoke
On kings rest it’s good for bursting the second raptor in high tyran keys
dapper wraith
loyal to the end is my other option =/
bleak spoke
If I could play any setup I would go 3ss eb np blightborne exsang in that dungeon
fast nacelle
low junco
exsang
rigid mango
The only niche where exsang is good
You just fucking pump that last boss like a mother fucker
marble elm
@arctic walrus whats ur pull count
rigid mango
Leaking info 
marble elm
im just curious
rigid mango
marble elm
someone else linked me and it was definitely fake lol
rigid mango
How many you guys on?
rigid mango
Ah
arctic walrus
93
marble elm
arctic walrus
Was that the fake number
arctic walrus
It's pretty close to dead too
we had a 3% wipe
apart from that mostly blue pulls
nimble tartan
Gear pog
I can’t believe they roasted my boy nightr on Twitter I’m about to hit em offline
near coyote
[Dribbling Inkpod] good if you have aboss on farm?
low junco
alright, did some sims and i want to aks
is gearcomparing bugged for the pocket-size trinket
i sim it instead of my 435 spyglass and get -700 dps
my 2nd trinket is 445 coral
scratch the -700 dps, its -1160
and i am 100% sure that i simmed it instead of my spyglass, did the sim twice
echo cargo
Base weapon damage factors into things like FoK, right? Or just whiteswings
glacial mist
So I’m having issues in m+
When is it worth to just spam fok over envenoming
Like if it’s a pack of 5 do I just fok after a few ruptures or do I fok until 5 combo then envenom?
tropic ocean
depends on what your goal is
and how many eb traits u have
I usually built with fok and do 4cp+ envenom into prio mob
civic palm
You will want to Envenom more if you have more Twist the Kniiiiiiiiiives.
tropic ocean
@rigid mango clf minor 2,1% dmg over the key
glacial mist
Okie, so if I have two eb traits, and zero twist the knives is it even worth it for me to envenom?
civic palm
To keep up ENV, or if you have a target that has to die ASAP, yes.
candid jasper
Are people running 3x shrouded/3x echoing blades?
civic palm
People are running some combination of Shrouded Suffocation, Echoing Blades, and Twist the Knife.
glacial mist
Gotcha gotcha.
And using garrote and rupture, do you only use it in the waves enough to build up enough energy regen?
Or are we using it on every mob for the damage
civic palm
You should using enough Bleeds to have the energy required to spam FoK.
Somewhere between 3 and 5 depending on your Haste.
glacial mist
Understood thanks!
civic palm
Things changed with Lucid Minor, not 100% now.
candid jasper
Can't decide whether to go for 2x ss 2x eb 2x ttk
civic palm
Just feel it out for yourself.
glacial mist
So once you have enough to keep your energy going, no point in using more right?
civic palm
Yeah just keep Rupture up and don't reapply Garrote unless there are not enough targets to Rupture.
glacial mist
Kk! Is it worth it to take the fok talent?
robust zephyr
Depending on the content, EB is amazing. It gives 0 single target, but it is absurd in aoe. Far above everything else.
glacial mist
Over the extra bleed/poison bomb? Or are those two always gonna be better
civic palm
CT is never used, HB can be used with 3xEB, Poison Bomb is good everywhere.
uneven summit
What essences are people running with?
glacial mist
Gotcha, I read that ct is good on fortified weeks
With sanguine
Since sanguine makes your poison bombs miss some ticks
civic palm
Ehhh, dunno about that.
PB is a literal 2 second DoT.
GL missing enough to matter.
If you tank is SPRINTING THROUGH THE DUNGEON AT ALL TIMES, sure.
CT is probably better.
At the same time, spamming FoK might lead to more damage in that specifically weird situation.
glacial mist
Is hb worth taking if I am only running two ebs?
glacial mist
Alrighty! Thanks
I was doing a 16 ml earlier today and I only did like 36k overall
So I’m trying to increase it
Since over 40k seems the norm
robust zephyr
@uneven summit Iris is amazing for any aoe, even if only 2 targets consistently. Life force rank 3 is the highest single. Lucid comes at a close second as long as you don't overcap resources. It is the best minor in most cases.
civic palm
Grab some meters, get a shit ton of crit, bleed shit, and hammer FoK, Echoing Blades does a stunning amount of damage.
glacial mist
Gotcha. Kk thanks for answering all my questions!
uneven summit
So Life-Force major, Lucid minor for ST?
robust zephyr
Yes.
robust zephyr
In most cases it will be better than Iris in raid content. For M+, depending on dungeon and affixes, you get way more use out of Iris.
civic palm
You do have some options for pure ST though;
But Iris has the bonus of being a ranged nuke.
robust zephyr
I've been making good use of Iris in certain fights in EP for that reason.
uneven summit
Iris is amazing in M+ idd
balmy quest
How do we use Guardian of Azeroth? Hold it for the next vendetta or just smash on cooldown?
fresh robin
normal quail
fuck man im not sure if I should roll other items and try to get an item with a socket or if i should ipgrade my benethic chest to 435 ilvl... 2/2/2 M+
austere wadi
Noticed the pin suggests both highest secondary as the wep enchants. Should I do that even if my sims suggest use of force multiplier on one of my weps? Or obey the sim?
scarlet sequoia
force multiplier on one and whatever on the other yeah
unless double navigation sims higher than force for u
austere wadi
okay cool just seemed oddly specific for the pin* to say use both highest secondaries and not sim them or w/e
scarlet sequoia
outdated
rich lily
Kinda sad only seeing in M+ Streams Outlaw roques -.-
marble hemlock
:>
solid nova
marble hemlock
where others run double outlaw @near python and me play assa+sub and still do good keys :>
dire spoke
I lurk on Seli's m+ traits every reset 
small island
how come harlan is shit now? 445 with socket simming less than my 430 pocket. last patch it was really good but i guess the new trinkets are just better overall
crisp hollow
i got a 2TTK/3EB/1SS setup, is that ideal for most situations or will I need to be 2EB/3TTK sometimes?
Can't imagine more SS mattering if im not exsang
velvet ermine
Is there anywhere why the opener with Condenced Life-Force Rank 3 is shown ? 😃
quartz depot
press before vendetta
formal willow
does raidbots sim overwhelming power with 100% uptime? do you use that trait in the current raid or do the stacks fall off too often?
drifting cloud
yeah it probably oversims but only by a little
its still the best by a pretty good margin
rich lily
i looked at bloodmallet and icy veins but don´t find any real clue so i wanna ask here:
Is it desirable stacking
Overwhelming Power ?
if i understand correctly we 2nd Trait gives me more Stacks from it and so far a longer use ... or should i stick with some other middle Trait ?
crisp hollow
more OP = good
pretty much best one to have 3 of, flames/gutripper/heed/leech+mast also solid in that ring but OP is OP
rich lily
ok thanks, 😄
formal willow
Is it better to go for echoing blades + master assassin for m+ or is SS+subterfuge still the way to go? seems like EB is only really good if you sim it with MA
drifting cloud
dungeon slice sims for assa isnt nearly accurate as the outlaw version
subterfuge will always be the play in m+
crisp hollow
at bare min to silence 3 things
drifting cloud
even on pure st its not alot worse than MA, on anything more than 1 traget it just destroys
crisp hollow
1 SS in M+ is pretty necessary too afaik, i just personally think >1 isn't ideal with how good EB and TTK are
rotund mural
what you think is good for m+ 2eb/2ss/2sob or 2eb/2ss/1sob/1ttk?
crisp hollow
sob?
rotund mural
scent of blood
rotund mural
what you think of other one then? with 1 ttk and 1 sob
i don't have other traits sadly xD
crisp hollow
oh sim for sure then
rotund mural
i did it said 2sob to go
dungeon slice
but then you guys said dungeon slice broken xD
so idk
im lost
crisp hollow
i would say have a TTK for prio damage but im neither seli or one of the math nerds involved in writing the sim
in a perfect world you only have SS/TTK/EB traits
rotund mural
then that is what we shall go 😄
I used to have 1 blightborne infusion but got a 445 azerite yesterday, so had to replace a 405....
sick oyster
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crisp hollow
for what its worth the best sin rogue in the world (Seliathan) was running 420's yesterday morning
maybe consider benthics/emissary pieces in the future
formal willow
is it worth it to go through all the pvp hassle for blood of the enemies? currently it sims below the other essences but a guildmate says this will change with higher gear
crisp hollow
this week's brawl is blizzard gifting you free wins of AB
can also spam it next bonus honor week to make the grind easier
im personally banking on Life Force getting smacked with the nerfbat
so i value BOTE pretty highly
jaunty arrow
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formal willow
thanks for the info scoville, really appreciated
last ingot
Should I use my titan residuum buying a random 445 azerite gear? or collect 200k and use it to buy the best one?
drifting cloud
depends what you have and your guilds progress
rigid mango
I'll be doing that now 
The only things that are upgrades are goraks/zaq helm and some wack af helms
I cba rnging them
umbral fiber
Can't wat to get fked by RNG next week when I can get my first 445 piece
rigid mango
So I'll just wait for like, 7/8 weeks 
crisp hollow
if i open a sanguine monstrosity 445 as one of my first pieces i'll probably take a toaster bath idk
umbral fiber
My RNG so far been rly bad, cleared HC and Mythic first 2 Bosses, I got 4 HC cloaks, none Mythic item 
slow mountain
I opened sanguine this week almost killed myself
umbral fiber
Which one is that again?
slow mountain
the worst one
umbral fiber
yh but what traits
umbral fiber
Okay just checked the traits, yikes
We also only run 2 rogues, meanwhile other rogue dropped 2 445 azerite pieces, has inkpod+ashvane trinket
real bay
yea the other rogue has ink and coral
strange python
whats the right opener using Master Assassin?
zinc zephyr
is the punchcard trinket sim on Herodamage correct?
vocal kelp
dim sigil
is echoing blades still worth it?
dim sigil
still 3x ?
rigid mango
I'd say 2 is a better number
shy axle
which major essence are you currently running in m+? Was using iris major/lucid minor all the time now, but saw many use Lucid major + 3x EB
rigid mango
I've been using a bunch of 2/2/2 + iris M lucid m
atomic saddle
Iris is the real Deal for m+. You will quickly get it to rank 4 and it Deals Tons or damage.
Lucid is not worth because haste is a Bad stat for m+ since you have multiple bleedings up most of the time anyway and cap energy.
lethal flame
any link to raid openers?
dim sigil
@rigid mango so you say 2x echoing?
rigid mango
1/2 yeah
2 for simplicity
@atomic saddle you take it for ST, with sin now you have quite insane lower target cleave with ss, heavy aoe with eb, prio with ttk/ss, and now proper ST with lucid and iris' minors
It makes for an insanely well built m+ setup that really doesn't lack anything
@lethal flame in the guide
atomic saddle
Ye for tyrannical weeks definitely
dark crag
222 iris + lucid is the allrounder build
rigid mango
Like, I've never played a more well rounded build
That does everything really fucking well
And I still run as many OP as possible + one haste weap for ST/low target every week
dark crag
Its like tos sub was in m+ with legys and glaives
rigid mango
Now with the essences, they do p much the same thing
dark crag
Haste weapon like quick nav enchant?
rigid mango
Yeah
Makes up for the lack of haste, that an OP's
Been doing it for a while
The ench might not be needed now with iris/lucid minors, but OP's are still OP
shy axle
that wordplay
rigid mango
😉
stable yarrow
spymasters better than cepha for me 🤔
rigid mango
Do you have any NP?
tropic ocean
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stable yarrow
ah thats why, my only np xD
rigid mango
That'd be why yeah 😄
signal summit
Oh Fuck so It's actually only 40% to get the correct one , fuak
balmy condor
and then the socket rng on top of that
thorn edge
If you get a socket + correct bonus is it bad if the stats aren’t ideal (eg haste vers)? In other words is it worth re rolling or will it not make much difference
strange python
Hi guys can any1 help me with my logs where are my Problems? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/blackrock/zyrika#difficulty=4
balmy condor
the stats aren't random on the pieces @thorn edge
thorn edge
Ah my mistake on that one.
rigid mango
@strange python http://prntscr.com/okrg8e bad
only one env in tb
http://prntscr.com/okrgid sorta wasted half of ur cds here
triple muti is bad
again
That's the faults I see
balmy condor
^ yep, alles was der desagt hat. Sieht so aus as tätest du wissen was man machen sollte, machsts aber nicht jedes mal
balmy condor
guy's german
tropic ocean
you wasste cp from mutilate
rigid mango
I know
tropic ocean
you sometimes only fit 2 spells in mastera ssa
rigid mango
doesn't mean you can just speak german
tropic ocean
but you should fit 3 spells in master assa
balmy condor
fair
rigid mango
The server isn't filtered for every language
So using non-english isn't appreciated
because mods don't know what you're saying
tropic ocean
use new pots, better food
sick oyster
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strange python
Ok so the main Problem is that dont using MA perfect? And also casting 3x Multi
rigid mango
uhh yeah mostly
balmy condor
toxic blade
rigid mango
you only got one env in tb twice
balmy condor
not ma
tropic ocean
just make sure u can fit 2 4cp+ envenom into toxic blade window
rigid mango
You wasted your major cds a fair bit
because you used when she used her barrage
I assume
strange python
but with some practise i can fix it easy?
rigid mango
Yeah there's nothihg hard with fixing this stuff
It's not bad mistakes
I've seen faaaaaaar worse
balmy condor
yeah same
rigid mango
very minor mistakes all in all
balmy condor
only 2 sockets though, good luck with your socket rng
strange python
is that why my parses are so bad?
rigid mango
Uhh
You only have 1 benthic piece
and it's not a good one iether
Your trinkets are really bad
strange python
and my traits aswell?
balmy condor
your parses are bad cause
- not a lot of sockets
- not optimal azerite
- bad benthic
- bad trinkets
- mediocre rings
yeah
rigid mango
Your helm and shoulders are fine
balmy condor
basically what he said
rigid mango
Parsing comes with learning the fight
balmy condor
yeah, parsing also has a lot to do with kill speed
if you're slow killing the boss, you won't parse
tropic ocean
🤔
tropic ocean
4minute kill is not the issue
nor is the gear
not playing the rotation correctly, losing uptime when playing mechanic and using way too much mutilate
dunks his dps
rigid mango
I woulda had r1 log if we had logged our kill
We priv log anyways so it wouldn't have mattered but
tropic ocean
like in same fight duration he has
+15mutilate casts
on me
need to pool for tb better instead of just mutilate when avaiable
available*
pseudo hamlet
What's the deal with the TTK in M+? Wouldn't SS or EB be more efficient? Or it's just because of FoK spam with envenom buff?
tropic ocean
ttk is good for emissary and prio dmg
thats why its common
eb lost some value as you don't pull big enough anymore and theres no reaping
havent used more than 2 eb since s3 released
pseudo hamlet
Okay, thanks for explanation.
severe bough
so, 2 EB is enough?
rigid mango
Yep.
severe bough
Nice
tropic ocean
in some keys even 1
severe bough
im running 2 EB/ 2 SS / 1 TTK, 1 NP
yeah i was going to say that
i could even drop one EB on some places right
tropic ocean
like tos/kr
severe bough
hmm
tropic ocean
theres no big packs and little trash
rigid mango
I like 3 ttk or ss on either of those
tropic ocean
personally I'd get more ttk
severe bough
let me check what my azerite gives me
tropic ocean
like 1 eb 2 ss 3 ttk
arctic walrus
Is the value added from increased allies with Loyal to the End non-stackable
severe bough
Ty asugelebt
kindred skiff
Is it worth it to run purification protocol (rank 1) as a minor in m+, instead of lucid dreams (rank 2)?
rigid mango
Uhh, probably not?
arctic walrus
It's probably not, any sim with more than 1 is a dps loss
rigid mango
Yeah I think it doesn't stack well
balmy condor
I've been seeing so many combo's with m+ essences, no idea anymore
rigid mango
lucid/iris/bloood in like, any combo works
celest tangle
Do we have the same issue as feral with undulating tides? Where it seems well but is actually garbage?
Sims not seems
arctic walrus
That's an issue with every class p sure
arctic walrus
Hm would it be worth on azshara
rigid mango
For sin?
arctic walrus
Wondering if having the reduced max hp would mean you drop below 50 less often
rigid mango
Until consol clicking you should be fine
severe bough
i actually can only get 2 ttk, if i get the third i cant get EB
arctic walrus
Might try it out and check uptime when we get there idk
rigid mango
But having a more or less dead trait for like, entire of last phase sounds p bad
severe bough
arctic walrus
Tru tru
rigid mango
idk there's not a lot of fights I can think of it being good
arctic walrus
@severe bough you using dungeon slice?
rigid mango
Dungeon slice big bad
pseudo hamlet
Why? What should I use to sim M+?
balmy condor
simming m+ is kinda not possible, even with dungeon slice
balmy condor
yeah
rigid mango
It prioritises shit that doesn't reflect what we actually want
tropic ocean
your best m+ sim for sin is
pseudo hamlet
Didn't know that, good to know.
tropic ocean
copy paste Seliathan
rigid mango
p much that tbh
stack crit + mastery/vers
Get any mix of eb/ttk/ss
Use any trinket that gives agi/crit/mastery/vers
That's p much it
severe bough
True, i tend to get restealths, for the most part, but that's something to consider
rigid mango
Sub always
distant lava
^
pseudo hamlet
Ok, thanks for the help guys.
dark crag
Tanks not letting rogues restealth are trash, the real degenerates
rigid mango
balmy condor
day 528, still waiting for a meaningful nerf to outlaw
balmy condor
rigid mango
like atm sin is chilling in the shadow of outlaw
dark crag
It's the subtle plan to bring back sub
balmy condor
9.0 sub changes leaked: It's basically legion
valid spoke
How is Condensed Life-Force used in raid?
rigid mango
before vendetta in your opener
align with 3rd vend if you wont lose a cast from doing it
dark crag
Sadly sub will never be like legion again. Ns/ds is the closest it will get. Next is total rework and deep down we all know what will happen
night vale
hmmm, haste has gone REALLY high for me now. any ideas why?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hjpQo5oAYjnFS4pgMiRkrw
rigid mango
is this a setup that you've like, just swapped from per say
lucid M iris m?
Becuase judging from what you're wearing, your haste is quite low
sly flume
This gear and than the rings
balmy condor
double crit/mast rings
night vale
yeah i mean, this is my usual ST set-up, haste was always simming really low for me
rigid mango
Yeah because it cuts haste REAL low
strange python
Well there you go
nimble cobalt
Hello guys, i stopped playing during uldir, how important are the heart essences dps wise?
rigid mango
and since u swapped from it, you have no haste
and you need back to a normal amount of haste
That's all
night vale
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/b3Kf7UpBcLT9PfnV2tZwQm
okay well it says to do this now, so i'll just do this 😄
thanks guys
sly flume
They are very important
balmy condor
heart essences are probably 15% dps
rigid mango
casual 700 dps
balmy condor
roughly
empty crescent
do you guys prefer outlaw or assassin for lvl 70 bgs? :>
sly flume
balmy condor
is there a cooldown on that?
cause that paired with the 160 haste ring would just be near perma uptime on certain fights right
arctic walrus
Might be outdated info but I think the 2nd set of rings have a 15s internal cd?
sly flume
wowhead says it has a 15 sec cd
arctic walrus
I have the 3 ability one + nature dmg but not worth unless I get a wf/socket next week
balmy condor
sure
sly flume
I got healing combo rings on my prot paladin 435 and 420 
nimble cobalt
Well im 423 and i have no idea why im simming low, barely 28k and this guy up is simming 43 with 426
arctic walrus
link it
severe bough
So i'm checking top logs and people are using stupid high amounts of crit at haste
is that the way to go?
like, my own sims dont want me to til that much on those stats
balmy condor
link to the log?
sly flume
with TTK ?
vestal wren
crit is always good for high logs
severe bough
One second
balmy condor
^ crit is always good
vestal wren
even tho it might sim lower(and peform worse), if you are lucky it can mean you get a high log
balmy condor
yeah he's got 50% envenom crit
arctic walrus
2 SoB, 1 EB on single target
no minor
no benthic/sockets
Subterfuge with 0 SS
E X S A N G
balmy condor
yep, bad traits, no second slot essence, bad talent, no benthic
there's a lot wrong with this picture
nimble cobalt
Ah not ms
rigid mango
Just like
arctic walrus
You need to go into top gear and fiddle around
nimble cobalt
Thanks for the tips
crystal vault
do we really have to grind blood on alts again? 
severe bough
annyone with raidbots premium who wants to sim all my gems?
i cannot do that with the pleb version
rigid mango
You can just buy it yourself 😄
arctic walrus
link a top gear I don't mind
crystal vault
rip alts
arctic walrus
I'm finishing a gem sim for myself so I will after that
severe bough
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5btPhPzNMHsgHwriKgNxw1
this is a rather recent one
just hit me off when you can do it, ill be around
autumn slate
Same I've also given up on my one alt
Even tho I dont think Spriest require so much work on the Essence front
severe bough
im casually doing some stuff on my lock
arctic walrus
I don't even know why I bother with gems, nothing will ever beat out haste
severe bough
yeah priest is 
severe bough
it is
my old main is a spriest
i'm still active on the priest discord
it is in fact
litterally dailies take 30m at most
even without flying
autumn slate
Literally just Lucid, Crucible and Focussing iris
frigid sleet
speaking of lucid, I know mage spam kick on cd to get lucid procs
can we do the same
autumn slate
Iris r2 beats crucible r3 by a little bit
autumn slate
yh
I only really need my Spriest for when we get to Za'Qul because rest of the raid team is fucking 
So its gonna be a while
rigid mango
We getting real #wow-general here
empty crescent
rigid mango
autumn slate
mb
Can we talk about how dumb it is I need to cast stealth after using Azsharas font
arctic walrus
What's an easy 200 dps I can get, I need to break 44k again
rigid mango
Yes
The fact that MA and font fuck one another
is the most fucking FRUSTRATING THING
With 
boomies
lament abyss
death to channeling trinkets
vestal wren
a benthic socket piece maybe?
lament abyss
imo
empty crescent
autumn slate
Same
arctic walrus
Actually might have enough pearls today to upgrade Poen's to 425
autumn slate
Exactly
plush hill
!wa
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long hill
Can anyone explain me why if i let the sim decide the prepot/pot it doesnt use unbridled fury?
rigid mango
Because it's not updated.
autumn slate
if we're between clicking Azsharas and reapplying bleeds
rigid mango
Just manually change
autumn slate
What do we choose?
long hill
@rigid mango ye i'm doing it manually
autumn slate
Aight
rigid mango
You never let bleeds drop
autumn slate
Just got my Azsharas today so Im still experimenting with it
rigid mango
You get the feel for it quite fast
rigid mango
Makes me want to die (:
dark crag
Step stops channeling, mage blink atleast works for their normal cast, have to ask mage friend if he can blink with font
autumn slate
I saw scrype did Shimmers with it channeling
I could imagine also knock back on 1st boss
autumn slate
how do you know
dark crag
The mage got knockback
autumn slate
Ah
empty crescent
Can anyone pm me their bars for assassination? 
strange python
your own binds will be more comfortable and efficient for you
tropic ocean
im an assassin rogue/my poisons are dope/i like my new essence/ life force is best friend
@empty crescent like this? Nah for real i only use fast reachable keybinds 1-6 e r t f g h q i have 12 macro buttons on mouse for my cds pots etc food flask cc and when i press ctrl i have 12 different ones
strange python
severe bough
@arctic walrus ty, it seems that haste is just that good
strange python
what is the probability of getting a specific azerite piece from the random token?
rigid mango
Wat
strange python
is it 1 out of "x" where "x" is the total amount of pieces eligible for the proc
rigid mango
6
strange python
or are certain pieces higher % based than others
rigid mango
idk why the % would ever differ
tropic ocean
i always gamble
As i can gamble 4 pieces for price of chosen one so
If i hit bis in first 3 gambles
Nice
stable yarrow
Chance at BiS for progression > Having BiS for farm
sullen pagoda
and cephalohide isnt even better than 2nd bis that u can get by much
it was what 100 dps last tier for me
sullen pagoda
buying specific is just straight up ineffective
arctic walrus
I'm really hoping I get this zaqul helm sunday
rigid mango
I'd say you're under average
arctic walrus
Get this man some boots
opal viper
i have rolled around 500 pearls on wrist/boots together
vestal wren
around 300 on boots
another 170 on belt
could be 180, not sure was quite long to get it
for beeing a"secure" slot
rigid mango
Like, sockets and benthic inflate your dps per ilvl a lot
And you lack them
also a new dagger, for sure
empty crescent
@tropic ocean i meant like a screenshot of your bars if possible so i could see where and how other assa rogues prioritize their abilities
strange python
40k is under average?!
opal viper
yea
sullen pagoda
for ilvl
strange python
opal viper
for 434 quipped
sullen pagoda
vestal wren
i wish i was close to 43k
strange python
now that I know this, why even live
empty crescent
@strange python it's obvious why mtv does more dmg than you with only 2 ilvl diff, cursed vision of sargeras
sullen pagoda
ofc its 20% dmg 
just from transmog
rigid mango
that's without 2 benthic too
lament abyss
im about 37k at 422 atm
vestal wren
cribs you could go for 425 socket benthic back 😛
sullen pagoda
west rover
spent 30 pearls got both feet and wrist with sockets 😃
vestal wren
might be better then 435
sullen pagoda
probably will but id rather wait to yoink mythic cloak LUL
strange python
what should I do to sort my damage out?
stable yarrow
big simmer coming through
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3pqHqvEM4GWkVhgZp36f1D
strange python
I'm on suicide watch
sullen pagoda
i hope i get coral next week
vestal wren
that should boost your deeps quite a bit
strange python
bloodmalet has Lucid Dreams as major being top dps, but it sims less
what are your thoughts on that?
vestal wren
@marble hemlock the RS bug is sth that makes the trait worth more not less, however the trait is even with that bug not exactly super good. Subtlety need better aoe or an aoe trait (RS is not an aoe trait)
you need rank 3 lucid thats my thought
vestal wren
its a random cp refund and spread so both is by design not consistent, tho i might got a bit offtopic for the channel
arctic walrus
@stable yarrow do you not have a font or does cyclo sim better for you
rigid mango
"a bit" fuu
vestal wren
wounder why assassination ranks so low on my custom fight script
arctic walrus
Is 4 425 benthics really worth 2k damage above mine though 🤔
I don't know what else I could do for more damage
stable yarrow
its also an aberration sim
vestal wren
@arctic walrus dont forget every benthic usually comes with a socket too 😛
stable yarrow
add "target_race=aberration" in the cutom APL thing
vestal wren
so its benthic effect value + socket value + base 425 value
vestal wren
well you sim fairly high tho
vestal wren
itemlvl isnt to big of an upgrade iirc
stable yarrow
yeah, + higher illv az
vestal wren
^
arctic walrus
Then ok I don't have to worry about that as much
stable yarrow
thats assuming if u alrdy have a NP i guess
probably much higher difference if u're using Cephs
stable yarrow
yeah 1st NP big gains
stiff mason
Is it worth to use undulating tides on mythic prog?
rigid mango
p sure zaq + goraks + blackwater/cepha is bis
blckwater and cepha sim the same for me
within 10 dps
arctic walrus
Damn I really need some new pants
stable yarrow
get LW 😛
vestal wren
i think those are 😉
rigid mango
yeah
ur literally parroting what I'm saying
but ye loyal and ttk sim the same for me
at maxxed out shit
vestal wren
its whats in the wowhead guide, so iirc best combination from sims
subtlety bis could potentially change a bit now, tho i dont expect it
rigid mango
Yeah like I said, they're within 10 dmg of one another
when i simmed simmed a bunch of like, insnae pieces
vestal wren
i don't like how so many good azerite pieces are from vendor
stable yarrow
pvp helm also the same traits as zaqul helm i think
arctic walrus
Are you guys on court
stable yarrow
orgo
stable yarrow
ACTUAL BiS
cold rampart
anyone got bote rank 4?
stable yarrow
i do
cold rampart
srsly?
rigid mango
It's actually bis ye
why do u ask
when soeone answers yes
and u get shocked like
stable yarrow
rank 4
arctic walrus
Patch has been out for over a month or something
cold rampart
do u do dis
stable yarrow
mindless grind bgs
cold rampart
@arctic walrus make sense
stable yarrow
if u do daily bg wins for ap, u should be pretty close
cold rampart
18K/50K
sly flume
30k/50k (and i fucking hate pvp) dont forget 1kwinter weekly win/ ashran weekly / alterac weekly each give 1k honor and you can do them for both factions
arctic walrus
Why bother when you can just get r3 clf
rigid mango
royal lantern
yes
sour wasp
seems that all top parses use bote major, is clf r3 theoretically better and they just don't have it yet or?
fringe oxide
So I'm a little confused on optimal use of the Coral trinket from Ashvane. We pop vendetta at the start of the encounter, so do we just let the stacks build up until 2nd vendetta?
sour wasp
yes
fringe oxide
Got it. Can you reactivate the stacking debuff immediately after pulling the coral out?
So at 2nd vendetta, activate the crit buff and spam the trinket again to put the coral debuff back on the boss?
sour wasp
it has a short cd, you put it up as soon as its ready
shy axle
@sour wasp iirc thats it, it is better, but not that much ( i think i read here ~ 300 dps)
silent kernel
!essence
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sour wasp
@shy axle i see, cheers
uneven pecan
what do you guys think is the fastest way to farm blood of the enemy?
brave solar
brawl: comp stomp is pretty good
sour wasp
you should suffer for it otherwise you don't deserve it
brave solar
320 honor / 5 min ish
hybrid laurel
how much honor expeditions pvp gives?
i was doing 2v2 rating, then realize that the honor doesnt count to the achievment lol
formal willow
imho they should do something about this, the grind is ridiculous
desert vault
the highest level for benthic is 420 correct?
bronze horizon
That's... a first i've seen of this happening. Apparently mastery is my highest stat weight now. Over crit or haste.
shy axle
if i have 5 horde chars, does eevry single TW quest for honor go towards the acm for blood?
or only 1 horde and 1 alliance
strange python
balmy condor
@bronze horizon that sounds very typical, why is that weird?
strange python
@shy axle I only meant that you'd probably have better luck there. Apologies for the miss understanding 😃
bronze horizon
Just because I haven't seen mastery take over yet, it's always either been crit or haste.
shy axle
same man, was not meant hostile. All good
desert vault
I am just about ready to give up on socketed benthic, yet to see a single piece
bronze horizon
Yup, welcome to my life.
hybrid laurel
wait for it, it will be worth it
desert vault
i think everyone I know has 3 pieces already
hybrid laurel
i spend 400 pearl on the boots
desert vault
I'm 0 for since patch
rough agate
i went 700 pearls +3 alts feeding main until got boots
hybrid laurel
but the belt came at 40 pearls or something
rough agate
but now i have 3 benthic pieces with sockets
old bough
Anyone know much about assassination pvp and if its viable if so do i need to stack some versatility
old bough
oh sorry 😃
hybrid laurel
check the pinned
old bough
tyty
hybrid laurel
on pvp
eternal fable
Does master assassin not work with focused azerite beam
stiff mason
#pve
vestal wren
i tent to use a weakaura that shows a text when i have no poisons applied or they run out soon
vapid scarab
no, on a target
vagrant urchin
Guys, i have a problem with windows and a new ssd, can someone help me? i know this ain't a rogue related question but it's fucking me up f
already looked for a solution on windows and nothing worked
strange python
whats the best way to use cyclo
kindred cedar
Anyone got any ideas what azerite to buy first? Chest or shoulders?
if u take in calculation what drops in new raid as most of them seem quite shit except the head in there
rigid mango
Do a droptimizer sim
kindred cedar
wtf is that lol?
vapid scarab
just open 2 tabs and run 2 sims
eternal turtle
Hey, wondering what the reasoning is behind these specific times to reapply rupture/garrote (reading ravenholt website)
I usually just reapply mine when they dip below 3 seconds, but here it says to refresh rupture below 7.2sec or 6 sec depending on combo points
and garrote below 5.4
vapid scarab
30% x base duration
formal willow
i think those are the times you should refresh earliest
strange python
if im using ashvane and cyclo whats the best way to use it in my rotation?
eternal turtle
oh so there is no dps difference if i refresh at 6 seconds or 2 seconds for example?
eternal turtle
ah oke thnx
steel wagon
When are people popping condensed life force?
arctic walrus
After MA window before vend
steel wagon
sorry toxic blade
tropic ocean
mutilate rupture mutilate garrote condensed vendetta tb vanish envenom mut envenom
tropic ocean
with the opener you wrote in worst case u will have 3 cp which is bad
with this opener u will have at least 4 cp for first envenom
steel wagon
i was only going off of the ravenholdt guide which says to TB after vanish
then after that point im just assuming hold condensed for the 4 min mark for cds?
ornate meteor
hey guys just got my rank 3 blood, when do i use it at opener?
strange python
no i need to know when to use cyclo blast not coral. When is best to use that?
woeful minnow
it's pinned in #wow-general
spare dust
which random azerite piece is it best to roll for as assa?
ornate meteor
none in the pins at general;
woeful minnow
cyclo is in the general pins, bote is in the pins here