assassination

[frigid briar]

Just like lurker trinket was simmed for several durations

[rigid mango]

That's literally an uptime sim, on herodamage

[frigid briar]

Aw wtf, sorry I missed that

[rigid mango]

You mean the BIG RED ARROW

[dusky tinsel]

.<

[rigid mango]

That I kindly put there

So there wouldn't be any confusion?

That one?

[meager nebula]

chill

[dusky tinsel]

Damn Zine, rubbing salt in the wound

[rigid mango]

What crit, I was trying to be helpful

[meager nebula]

just a tad less condescending

thanks

[sharp viper]

[frigid briar]

Im not on a pc, the arrows tiny on screen

[dusky tinsel]

I'm just glad I got a 445 chest with DD+NP so I don't have to use the UT chest anymore, I do enjoy the defensive prock trait for prog, but it just procs wayyyyy too often with the amount of damage that goes out

[frigid briar]

Make bigger arrows plz

[rigid mango]

will do

[modest tendon]

should you maximise the envenom buff uptime in aoe situations? To maintain it you should really be envenoming every other finisher, is it worth trying to get as close to 100% uptime as possible?

[dark crag]

I can't wait to get the fastidious shoulders on wednesday

[tropic ocean]

@frigid briar dont use it 😛

[summer marten]

isnt it just fok - envenom while maintaining couple of ruptures, so its actually more than every other

[rigid mango]

env uptime doesn't matter in m+

[dark crag]

Fok for max aoe with big enough pack, envenom for prio damage

Like you have 5 mobs and a really mean big one

Fok env fok env to melt it

[dusky tinsel]

don't think you just fok spam even after cap in M+ anymore with reaping gone, I mean you can, but if you have multiple ttk traits why wouldn't you just finish with envenom.

[summer marten]

So just have enough bleeds for energy and spam fok and envenom pretty much, in a shell of a nut

[dusky tinsel]

unless you're pulling like 10+ mobs then it might be worth

[rigid mango]

It's worth to mongo fok at 5+

[dark crag]

Damage per energy

[modest tendon]

if you are trying to pad aoe and nothing else, is weaving in enveoms into your fok spam a dps loss?

[dark crag]

Thats why it's also recommended to just rupture in big packs outside opener and vanish

Assa aoe is tricky

A thin edge between fok spam and prio target, there is no right answer because affix, mob count and team comp play a role unlike outlaw and sub

[stuck knoll]

At 5+ targets another fok is better than a 10% buff

[rigid mango]

Using env > mongo fok on 5+ is a dps loss

but not always time gain

[dusky tinsel]

That's true, in large caster packs you'll find yourself using vanish to refresh iron wire garrotes on those mobs. While in larger pulls there's almost always an emissary that needs prio target focus, at least in my own personal experience I don't find myself just fok spamming as much as I did in S2 without finishing with envenom. Although it does happen depending on the pull.

[modest tendon]

the envenom buff seems to be made for priority damage tbh, im guessing when your singling out an emmissary to kill you should be keeping the highest possible uptime on it anyway

[rigid mango]

env doesn't matter for m+

as much as EP does

You don't play around env

[modest tendon]

it feels like your wasting the kit though

[crisp steppe]

if you're doing prio target while aoeing you will have 100% env uptime

doesn't require you to think

[ionic wigeon]

How do I use the condensed essence on my opener?
Garrote -> Mut -> Rup -> Condensed -> Vendetta?

[rigid mango]

yes

[ionic wigeon]

okay nice thx

[marble elm]

You don’t because it is a devil essence

[rigid mango]

You are devil essence

[marble elm]

I will delete my character before I use clf

[winter moss]

have fun deleting your char

[marble elm]

Only like +50 sim dps for me right now

And in that case I’ll pass

[atomic willow]

R3?

[marble elm]

Yep

[rigid mango]

Above what, bote?

[marble elm]

Yea

[atomic willow]

50 dps increase over what 2 essences?

[rigid mango]

Soon we will all use clf

[marble elm]

Blood lucid

[rigid mango]

I'm not shocked

[marble elm]

Waiting for the nerf

[rigid mango]

pls no nerf

[marble elm]

I somehow doubt that their design plan was for every single dps spec to be using the same essence

[rigid mango]

They woulda nerfed benthic too though

If that was the case

[tropic ocean]

They dont

Like its not best for all dps

[rigid mango]

but benthic is

so if they don't nerf benthic, they dont nerf clf

that's my train of thought

[tropic ocean]

Benthic is bis for everyone

[cobalt gyro]

The only reason other specs don't use clf is cause those specs have something else that's broken

[rigid mango]

Obv

[tropic ocean]

game is broken close servers

[marble elm]

I also don’t think it’s the play for zaqul

[crisp steppe]

this was the combined effort of the rockstar developers at blizzard

[marble elm]

So I’m free for atleast a little more time

[cobalt gyro]

I saw lots of ppl running protocol minor for zaqul so

[marble elm]

Yea it’s pretty good

[tropic ocean]

Hello guys. Ion here. With the 8.3 Patch we‘re introducing a questchain to unlock empowered benthic gear. This lets you upgrade your benthic items to 445.

🤙🏿

[simple meteor]

[tropic ocean]

I‘m pretty happy though

Friday saturday sunday a lot of time to farm pearls on all my alts to roll bis sin gloves

🤗

[novel hedge]

is the dps increase big with the benthic ?

[solid nova]

Yes, especially with socket

[signal summit]

How do u guys farm pearls most effectively ?

[rigid mango]

Alts

[stone crescent]

I know it's in the pinned messages, but it's not very detailed. A little confused on how to open and follow up later on 2nduse with blood of the enemy

And MA

[rigid mango]

It's like the opener

[stone crescent]

Was it garrote-mut-rup-bote-vanish-tb-mut-env?

With vend before bote?

Or was it garrote mut rup mut tb vend bote env mut emv?

[silent parcel]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[tropic ocean]

@lean folio do full story with all alts, and lab weekly all wq with pearls and dailies

On main i farm all rares as well

[rotund mural]

wow MA sims only 3 dps higher for me xDDD

thank God I enjoy subterfuge

[tulip iris]

hi have a great day

[subtle tundra]

do i hold tb for vendetta?

[rigid mango]

yes

or no, you hold vendetta for tb

[cold rampart]

anyone got full rotation for MA?

[verbal mantle]

It's in the guide pinned above but here's the rotation

Master Assassin talented

Garrote
Mutilate
Rupture
Vendetta
Vanish
Toxic Blade
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Envenom
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Envenom

[cold rampart]

what is best rotation to follow

ravenholdt or wowhead?

[stone crescent]

How do we integrate BoTE into that rotation?

[cold rampart]

good question

i think before vanish

and after vandetta

[wise whale]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6tMZPk24WhXzxDGH#fight=20&type=casts&source=63&view=timeline

here is the opener

[verbal mantle]

I dont play with bote since cba farming this shit so idk

[wise whale]

MA blood big burst

[verbal mantle]

before vendetta i guess?

[wise whale]

after

[verbal mantle]

k

[stone crescent]

so garrote-mut-rupture-trinket+vend-mut-bote-tb-env-mut-env

risky

[wise whale]

you could also sim your opener

[stone crescent]

oh

[cold rampart]

since when we can sim our opener

[wise whale]

well we can look at the opener that the sim does

i worded it wrong

[tacit plinth]

how is that risky

Also a lot of people saying to TB after vanish I dont think thats the case

you can get 2 MA envenoms if you vanish env mut env right?

[wise whale]

i dont think it makes a lot of difference

[tacit plinth]

makes like a lot of difference?

my tb crits for 20k a 4 point envenom crits for over 60

whats the point of taking MA if you're going to use lesser abilities in the very small window of its relevancy

I'm just curious

[wise whale]

oh yeah you are right

def before

[tacit plinth]

yea

https://i.imgur.com/2aEKbxu.png this is what it typically looks like based on my research of logs

the garotte vs mut as first global is the only thing that ever changes

[signal summit]

@rigid mango i know that But except that How do u efficently farm on one char ? More than daily quests and rares

[tacit plinth]

and the mut count for crit variance before TB

Thats all you can really do oggish, dailies + algans + rare farm group

[marble elm]

You pretty much either use 2 mutilates+1 rupture in your first 3 gcds or you garrote mutilate rupture

[tacit plinth]

• mrrl if lucky

[wise whale]

the sim for me startet with mut mut rup gar

[marble elm]

The difference is insignificant

[carmine valve]

Who do I contact for making a Subterfuge profile on herodmg next to their normal sin profile

[cold rampart]

so in the very first opener should i garrote or mut?

[wise whale]

you can decide between gar or mut

i do prefer mut mut rup

[honest heath]

I garrote first because I have 1 SS trait

[wise whale]

with MA?

[stone crescent]

So the picture above is about right then? so instead of vanish-tb, we do tb-bote-vanish-env-mut-env

[honest heath]

yeah with MA...the other traits on that same ring are worse

[wise whale]

have you simmed sub?

[stone crescent]

so we are fucked basically if we get less than 4 CP after the vanish-env

[wise whale]

for me wehenever i have 1 ss sub gets ahead

[honest heath]

I did before but MA pulled ahead...it's been a while though since I compared the talents

but whenever I vanish it's still the same where it's TB -> mut

[wise whale]

the first thin after vanish with MA should be a big ENV

[honest heath]

I thought I read on opener it goes from vend -> vanish -> tb etc

[wise whale]

apparently some people think that

but with MA after vanish alsways ENV mut ENV

[ripe nimbus]

Some people think that? The guide literally says to do that

[wraith lance]

Yo. Are there any benthic-Gear worth having as assa? S:

[distant moon]

boots & bracers @wraith lance

[latent gazelle]

Sub actually sims pretty good for me. Barely behind MA

[wraith lance]

Ok, ty choke!

[wise whale]

guides can be wrong

[honest heath]

the raidbots sim also says to do that lol

i'm also not running BotE

I used to vanish into env until I read the guide for 8.2

[upbeat hazel]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[tacit plinth]

gg if you have bote that + your crit + MA is just abotu 100% crit

[sullen sphinx]

Sad that BOTE sims little lower than lucid fit me. BOTE is a good time

[tacit plinth]

yeh thats the good boy rotation right there all the crits

[honest heath]

i need to get BotE

[severe bough]

BotE is pig pog

That is all

[upbeat hazel]

font of power, cyclo blast, phial of the arcane tempest - which two for m+?

[honest heath]

not cyclo

probably the other 2

[upbeat hazel]

the font is 415 and phial 435

[sullen sphinx]

Lucid sims higher for me but I feel like I rarely need it during a fight. Specially with the cyclo blaster being used when I have no tb and kind of energy starved.

[ripe nimbus]

CLF is big pog bote is small pog

[marble elm]

Wrong

[honest heath]

CLF won't sim higher for me until I get R2

currently Iris R2 + lucid minor sims higher for me...i'm so behind

[ripe nimbus]

I've had R3 since Tues it's big pog

[plain wraith]

I go super sonic when I turn on Lucid

UNLIMITED POWER

...for like 8 seconds

[distant lava]

@ripe nimbus does it feel slower for you ?

[ripe nimbus]

Feels about the same tbh just burst is insane

[distant lava]

hmm

[ripe nimbus]

110k burst

[distant lava]

Maybe I just lost a lot of haste

[ripe nimbus]

We're u running lucid major before?

[marble elm]

Plagued with having a 3 minute cooldown

[distant lava]

No blood major lucid minor

[ripe nimbus]

Strange. I know I was running R3 lucid before and it made haste my lowest stat then when I went R3 CLF haste was my best stat good thing I kept all my haste gear lol

[north star]

i heard the benthic gloves sims are bugged and they are simming higher than they should, is that true?

[rigid mango]

not afaik

They're not bugged, they do however have a cahnce to heal, but that chance seems to be 70/30 in favour of damage

And it does good damage

[marble elm]

Sim is pretty consistent with logs in my experience

[north star]

alright thanks

[honest heath]

I just got the abberation belt with socket...moving onto boots next...think that's the next best % one

in terms of chance to get the right ones

[plain wraith]

The Heal on Crits hands are good?

[marble elm]

Not for damage

[plain wraith]

Ah good good

I have one with Socket but not sure if I should upgrade them or not

[cold rampart]

screw this am not playing MA

[rigid mango]

[sullen sphinx]

MA is fun

[verbal mantle]

[cold rampart]

i tried 3-4 rotations

shitty dps

blood of the enemy

[distant lava]

[verbal mantle]

Maybe you're doing it wrong

MAYBE I said

[marble elm]

Is the talent the problem

[cold rampart]

i dps 41-40k with sub

[verbal mantle]

which rank is your BoTE ?

[cold rampart]

2

cause i am a normal human

[marble elm]

[scarlet sequoia]

there u go rofl

[rigid mango]

Then it sucks

LOL

[scarlet sequoia]

why use it before rank 3

[rigid mango]

fuck ma amirite

[verbal mantle]

I can understand that, thats why I didnt farm it
and thats why I farmed Lucid R3

instead of BoTE

[cold rampart]

fuck it am not farming 50k honor from bgs

[rigid mango]

so wait for CLF

[verbal mantle]

but thats the problem here, dont use BoTE R2

[scarlet sequoia]

casual 🤣

[cold rampart]

HOLY

[near python]

Using bad essence, blaming a talent for it ????????????????????????????????????

[verbal mantle]

it's okey

it happens

[cold rampart]

is there a build for ma with condense?

[verbal mantle]

which rank is your CLF ?

first

[cold rampart]

3

[verbal mantle]

k

[rigid mango]

clf + lucid

[verbal mantle]

then you should use it right before your Vendetta

iirc

[rigid mango]

^

[distant lava]

Iirc clf is on cd right ?

Or is the apl for it bad

[verbal mantle]

good question, idk that

[marble elm]

clf users GET OUT

[verbal mantle]

since I dont play with CLF (yet)

[rigid mango]

It's on the GCD yeah

Just like every essence

[distant lava]

Imagine blaming the people that play with what sims higher ?

[rigid mango]

[verbal mantle]

[distant lava]

Some people are not struggling on heroic zaqul

[marble elm]

Sims are the devil

[distant lava]

So we optimize

[marble elm]

i just use my thinker

[verbal mantle]

Feelycrafts better

[marble elm]

sim slaves OUT

[ripe nimbus]

U use CLF on cooldown unless u won't get another cast in the fight in which case hold it for vendetta

[rigid mango]

imagine flaming vel

when he's not even here

to defend himself

tosic night

[marble elm]

i am a wholesome gamer

[ripe nimbus]

I didn't get mythic coral off ashvane last night that's the real tosic

[severe bough]

@scarlet sequoia a rank 4 BOTE brother

Respect

[scarlet sequoia]

hell yeah

[scarlet sequoia]

ouf

[severe bough]

Respect

[ripe nimbus]

Only rank 2 condensed and rank 2 iris what are u doing with ur life..

Wait farming honor nvm

[severe bough]

haha

[scarlet sequoia]

i raid saturday sunday 😭

[severe bough]

also i need 1 thing for rank 3

litterally sitting at 35 since wed

iris r3 is basically nothing

i've checked the sims

who cares

[distant lava]

Its nothing in sims

[marble elm]

Iris

[distant lava]

Its big in real situations

[severe bough]

perhaps

[ripe nimbus]

I mean someone who cares about rank 4 bote I would imagine doesn't care about sims

XD

[severe bough]

i mean i'll get it

next week

hey hey

im simming just shy of 40k at 425 ilvl

fite me irl

[distant lava]

Solid

Im simming 43k with 426

[severe bough]

nice

i need trinkets

i have 2 410s

not even raid trinkets

maybe i can get coral and/or font on normal later today

[ripe nimbus]

Saw someone get a 455 inkyboipod from normal

[distant lava]

[severe bough]

👀

ive seena 450 font with socket

off of heroic Azshara

i was reeeing irl

[rigid mango]

nah it was from mythic azshara

[ripe nimbus]

World first beat limit ez

[severe bough]

could have been normal

4Head

at least a guildie has it

we need litterally every single point of dps we can get on Ashvane

[strange python]

does bote sim correctly?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/NFsLLeTZfkcobakMW4g1

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hemXJq6AdjEbeX3ovCbVbC

bote r3 so far behind cdf r3

[rigid mango]

Yes

[severe bough]

it depends on your config or stat weights

for me bote 3 was 150 dps behind of cdf 3

[strange python]

ye but i simmed both seperatly for best stats and diffrent pieces

felt like bote should be better

[severe bough]

Oh, then it makes more sense

[strange python]

specially with the font

[severe bough]

guardian just pumps too much

would be unsurprised to see a nerf across the board

i dont see blizz liking that a single essence is bis for everyone

[rigid mango]

Same logic, they would nerf benthic

[dark crag]

I have no problem with a benthic nerf

[strange python]

benthic is boring, got 455 boots and 445 gloves that are just useless rn

[red plaza]

M+

[strange python]

ye ofc

[rigid mango]

It's too late to nerf it now though

[dark crag]

Its never to late to nerf stuff, if blizz compensates with a slightly nerf to like boss hp

But we talk about blizz here, so wait until 8.3

[ripe nimbus]

It's not to late to nerf right now. They prob waiting for world first race to be over

Mark my words it will be nerfed

[rigid mango]

Yeah but that's too late.

It's already had way too big an impact on the game at that point

[ripe nimbus]

Tell that to the zul sub nerf before the tier was over

[unkempt seal]

to be honest I would prefer them removing sockets from the benthic gear. Even when a lot of people (including me) invested tens of hours in Khadala gambling all benthic pieces.

But I don’t see how they would pull it of. Nerfing benthic would be a indirect buff to the raid wouldn’t it? So earliest nerfs to benthic would happen when all meaningful progression is over . By this time like everyone is stacked with socketed benthic gear . The uproar would be astronomical.

[rigid mango]

yes, that's what I mean with "it's already had too much of an impact"

regardless, this is straying far away from assa, #wow-general lads

[dark crag]

Nerf benthic, nerf boss hp, raid fixed

[next needle]

"fuck it ill do 10 skrimishes im bored"

wtf gaem

[scarlet hinge]

!essences

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[next needle]

guess raid trinkets are heaps better anyway but

[rigid mango]

Yep.

[wide delta]

which azerite piece should I gamble first?

[rigid mango]

Droptimize sim yourself

[wide delta]

is there like a really really good piece that I can only get from vendor?

[vital haven]

WHY IS CLF SO GOOD

PepeHands

[urban junco]

Big azerite boi

slappin those cheeks

:3

[vital haven]

i want BOTE back

[cobalt pelican]

just rearrange your gear in such a way that it sims higher

ez

[rigid mango]

[sudden ocean]

How's assassin performing in keys

compared to outlaw

[rigid mango]

Similarly

[stiff vapor]

how I can use dribbling inkpod as assassin on multitarget? I saw that my fun of knife don't trigger the stack or I'm wrong?

I see no other way to compete as assassin against outlaw

[hollow junco]

triple SS / EB

[distant lava]

Thats meh

[hollow junco]

use iris or bote

[vital haven]

its good on bosses

[distant lava]

Its just like playing poor mans outlaw

[hollow junco]

sneak in a TTK if you can in place of one of the EBs

[vital haven]

it does a lot of dmg

[hollow junco]

YMMV, my outlaw set outsims my assassination set in dungeonslice pretty easily

my real world results are always way better as assassination though

[plain thunder]

Is there any point in tracking envenom uptime? If I have 5 combo points and 5 seconds on envenom buff do I wait or just hit envenom?

[vocal kelp]

Assa dungeonslice is not accurate

[distant lava]

Thinking outlaw vs sin is about dmg

[vital haven]

they both have decent dmg

[hollow junco]

assassination should have gouge 😦

taking it away for flavor reasons was bullshit

[vital haven]

really the question is utility and control

[hollow junco]

that's a terrible reason

[vital haven]

outlaw has gouge

[hollow junco]

give it back, bliz

[vital haven]

lower cds

etc etc

[sudden ocean]

would you say assass is more consistent

[rigid mango]

how does sin not compare

XD

it does more damage

[vital haven]

MORE DAMACHE

[rigid mango]

You don't understand how tired I am of this exact conversation

[solemn meadow]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/76j3VXWJd8Gc3YQr3fum2s

I want the chest

it would be such a big upgrade and it will never drop

[hollow junco]

to be fair i rarely get harassed about outlaw/sin life choices in-game

[solemn meadow]

who gets harassed by their spec??

[hollow junco]

it's only in this discord that people get mad

[solemn meadow]

I can't spell

[hollow junco]

"you are doing x content, you should play y"

[rigid mango]

Bad people think there's a big diff

[vital haven]

i mean i could see it last season

[rigid mango]

When they were also even?

Ah, I see.,

[vital haven]

i mean i would've never said it

i just meant i could see people saying it

but now its like w/e

[strange python]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[strange python]

Well at least for ST there IS a big difference on outlaw vs sin @rigid mango

[rigid mango]

Not really.

[shell lodge]

I would go back to outlaw, but Assa is just better for raids and ST. Aint rly doing Well in this spec but still more dps than in outlaw.

[strange python]

Yes, really

[rigid mango]

Unless ur in a top 50 guild

wont matter.

[strange python]

Who cares

If it does 10k more dps I take it

[rigid mango]

10k XD

dude I cba

[strange python]

Assa 40 outlaw 30 that’s it

[rigid mango]

xdddd

[strange python]

Xdddddd

[rigid mango]

Seeing as how they really aren't that far from one another, nah

[strange python]

Shit dice rolls and u can Log out as outlaw

[rigid mango]

Would you also know, the highest rogue sim I've seen

is an outlaw

🤔

[shell lodge]

Good timing on 5 buffs i guees

[rigid mango]

They do just fine dps

no need for 5 buffs

[shell lodge]

Once i roller 5buffs like 3 times in a single dung. And 2 times on a raid boss.

Fine but not Assa fine xdd

[solemn meadow]

@rigid mango do you have the blackwater chestß

[rigid mango]

Yep

[solemn meadow]

fuk u

[rigid mango]

Got 1st boss/tent/blackwater on atm

[solemn meadow]

[dark crag]

I hate rolling 5buffs into a wipe and constant single crossbones on kill

[rigid mango]

You're still above me by a bit dude

I only have 2 benthic

[solemn meadow]

you hopefully using it with loyal

I do too

belt and boots

that's it

[rigid mango]

ye it sims better than cepha

For me

[solemn meadow]

btw I did a +15 shrine yesterday

they made shrine so ez

like the timer

[rigid mango]

that was ages ago tho

[solemn meadow]

I know but they reduced the timers on kingsrest etc again

if I remember correctly

since they thought they were too long

[rigid mango]

Also increased % needed so

[solemn meadow]

we wiped like 3x at the beginning but it was still intime

[rigid mango]

The diff between you and me is coral and your mainhand

p much

[solemn meadow]

well I trade my coral

for your chest

[rigid mango]

I've got better pieces than you have in general

how the hell do u sim so high

[sudden ocean]

Digging through the fighting for an answer was fun

thanks rogue discord

I love you

[dark crag]

Getting benthic wrist is a nightmare

[rigid mango]

@solemn meadow http://prntscr.com/okg9g8

gimme

[strange python]

So rank 3 blood is better than others for major?

[rigid mango]

nah, clf is better

Depends on your setup though, sim it.

[strange python]

yah working on rank 3 for that, just have memory, blood right now at rank 3.

[vocal lion]

@dark crag the fish one?

[hollow junco]

clf is ~400 dps better than BOTE for me, but people's sims are different

(both at r3)

[rigid mango]

Frost damage one probably

[vocal lion]

Mechagon trincket still better than Heroic palace ones?

[cosmic pier]

[hollow junco]

mechagon trinket is high value because it doesn't have to be used inside of your cooldown window, which means that even though it's a second on-use it can still be paired with azshara's font or ashvane's razor coral

effectively and easily

[white basalt]

Should we use font prepull?

[rigid mango]

yes

[white basalt]

Thx dad

[solemn meadow]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9NHi8moibp2t55D5Wcf4XE

I wonder what I need for 45k

probably another socket and better rings

do you guys use coral in m+?

[stable yarrow]

benthic gloves 😮

[kindred cedar]

I suppose there isnt any other way in farming titan residuum except weekly cache and salvaging azerite gear? need 7k lol

[rigid mango]

If you've done your island cap, yeah

[kindred cedar]

I didnt actually

How much does it give me?P

[stable yarrow]

chance to give 5k

[kindred cedar]

That would help

[latent gazelle]

Last 2 weeks for me island map has given me green mail gear mission 😭

[urban junco]

\o/

[kindred cedar]

Suppose the chance is quite small?

[urban junco]

I got AP this week, so that's nice

nice boost towards 60

[fiery hazel]

not really. You can get gold, AP, or the residuum.

[lean coral]

still MA with 2 shroudeds?

[rigid mango]

probablynot

[fiery hazel]

Is the Font usage in any of the pins? Didn't see it.

[rigid mango]

sim it.

[lean coral]

naw im only asking cause of that 44k sim that was posted

[rigid mango]

the sim is a gear compare sim

[fiery hazel]

My follow up question is if you are using font and cyclonic.

[rigid mango]

the damage is what he would have if he had thos items

I am.

your cyclo usage doesn't change

it's still outside of vend/tb and low on energy

[fiery hazel]

right. so font is just 4 sec before your next set of vend/tb?

like after the initial pull

[rigid mango]

Aslong as you get full 20 sec of vend inside of font

you're good

[fiery hazel]

is what im curious about

[rigid mango]

You font at 5 sec on pulltimer

[atomic saddle]

Is it correct that we open with Garrote when we use MA talent? Wouldnt it make more sense to open Mut - Rupture - Mut - (MA drops) - Garrote - Vanish - TB - Envenom - Mut -...

[rigid mango]

You do what you said if you have bote afaik

the diff is so smally it doesn't matter anyways.

[fiery hazel]

Thank you, zine.

[strange python]

Got 2 residuum missions

[urban junco]

Niceu

[latent gazelle]

Didn’t know the Mut - rupt- mut opener was only for BoTe. 😑

[strange python]

I don't even have bote and still play subterfuge

[rigid mango]

Like I said, diff is so small wont matter 😄

Nothing to worry about at all

[harsh anchor]

Just pump. Get dps. Ez boss kill

[latent gazelle]

I played Sub last week. Switched back to rogue from boomie because casters suck. (I tend to jump while dpsing) changed to MA this week. Pretty close tbh

[strange python]

Do you ADAD during playing as well

[latent gazelle]

😐

Sometimes

[strange python]

[latent gazelle]

Really helpful when I get frost on first boss

[acoustic latch]

Hey guys, question regarding assassin. I have an azerite piece that has shrouded suffocation, which I will go for, but then the decision between Meticulous Scheming and Echoing Blades. Meticulous sims higher for single target, but Echoing Blades is really nice for m+ (if I don't swap to outlaw as the costs currently are too high).

Should I pick Echoing or go for meticulous just for the single target dmg?

[latent gazelle]

Depends on your other traits and what content your doing. If your rocking DD and the vendetta one (can’t remember name) then met will be better as echoing and DD contradict each other

[rigid mango]

Both of the options suck, but yeah, met

[acoustic latch]

okay, thanks

The guide /ravenholdt said that shroud was still the 'go to for' trait even though DD sims higher. So I sticked with that

[vagrant tapir]

double blightborn is so good

[tulip tide]

Does the extra attack on echoing give cps?

[vagrant tapir]

70% crit

Every so often

[rigid mango]

@acoustic latch it is, for cleave fights. It's not far off of the main traits but a bit worse

there also aren't many cleave fights

[acoustic latch]

so for the raid, you would pick DD over shroud then

[vagrant tapir]

yes

[rigid mango]

Unless on court, yeah

[vagrant tapir]

theres almost nowhere SS is being run over MA except court

And even court

Theres still so much MA lol

[acoustic latch]

I really need to get 2nd azerite set to lower the costs 😄

[rigid mango]

There's a very neglible diff between the two, even on that

[vagrant tapir]

worst part about have 445 gorak tul shoulders

[acoustic latch]

what do you mean with MA, sorry

[vagrant tapir]

is having to swap between SS and DD

master assassin

[nimble tartan]

Any cute sin rogues awake this morning

[vagrant tapir]

The talent

[acoustic latch]

oh I am still using Subterfuge

[vagrant tapir]

yeah with ss

[acoustic latch]

I havn't played assassin since Uldir

I feel so dumb now

[vagrant tapir]

but even with SS, MA wins out with certain other traits

[rigid mango]

am i not cute @nimble tartan

[vagrant tapir]

sometimes

[rigid mango]

I'd just never swap to sub

[acoustic latch]

So in my current situation,. 3 azerite pieces, 2 with shroud, 1 with shroud/DD choise. I would still go for Master Assassin trait with the 1 DD ?

[rigid mango]

Nah

Any SS traits = going sub

[acoustic latch]

so only with 3x DD I should change

[rigid mango]

Specifically with no SS, instead of any amount of DD

[strange python]

I do what the sim gods tell me. Which right now is Sub/SS

[vagrant tapir]

yeah

[acoustic latch]

alright thanks

[sour wasp]

how do you sim pre pots on raidbots again?

[rigid mango]

Press the more options shit

and change there

[acoustic latch]

is the opener still garrote, rupture, garrote?

[rigid mango]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

[rigid mango]

the openers are in there

[zinc zephyr]

umm which one is the optimal? 😄

[acoustic latch]

ah ye, so it's the same still. thanks

[rigid mango]

The one on the left, technically

but the diff is so small that it really doesn't matter

[rotund mural]

unridled fury or focused resolve for eternal palace? any suggestions?

[rigid mango]

unbridled.

[sour wasp]

@rigid mango i might be special boy but i can't find more options 😃

[rigid mango]

http://prntscr.com/okhh83

http://prntscr.com/okhhdb

[sour wasp]

cheers

[rigid mango]

http://prntscr.com/okhi4m

gotchu kayzer

[sour wasp]

oh, so the sim already chooses the best one for me?

[rigid mango]

Should be, idk which one it is atm though

Used to be crit one, which is worse

[sour wasp]

doesn't it vary with the player?

[fierce sinew]

When is the best time in a fight to use memory of lucid dreams? Right at the start? What if there is a lust at start, should I wait to use it after?

[rigid mango]

Does what, which one is best?

[sour wasp]

yeah

[rigid mango]

@fierce sinew pins

[fierce sinew]

ty

[rigid mango]

nah, unbrid is always best for ST

[sour wasp]

ah cheers then, thats all i needed lol

they're 500 a pop so i wanna be efficient with my gold

[fierce sinew]

vendetta window means during when vendetta is active correct?

[sour wasp]

yeah

[fierce sinew]

and TB window is when toxic blade is on the enemy, okay got it lol

[sour wasp]

yup

[fierce sinew]

i was definitely pairing the too and was feeling like it wasn't feeling right

*the two

[sour wasp]

@rigid mango sims says it used focused resolve as default for me

gonna try unbridled

[rigid mango]

Unbridled is bette raye

[sour wasp]

200 dps higher with unbridled

hey, a gain is a gain

[distant lava]

200 dps is a big gain tbh

[white basalt]

I just want to get lucky with a 455 socketed spy glass so I can not have to worry about messing with 2 on use trinkets.

[sour wasp]

they're not rocket science tbh

[white basalt]

Mainly running our of convenient buttons in my unconventional but otherwise effective keybinding scheme

[distant lava]

I feel you my dude

[latent gazelle]

Is there a way to make a macro for 2 boss fights, were it will cast something at boss 2 while targeting boss 1? no:mod garrote boss one, mod:shift garrote boss 2

[zealous lily]

yea

[latent gazelle]

Something like that but actually worded correctly

[zealous lily]

/cast @Target

or /target Boss2
/cast Rupture
/targetlasttarget

or just use mouseovers

then do whatever your modifiers would be...

i have a floater hotkey that i just use for boss specific macros that i swap out

like in ghuun i liked to mash it to target the big worm to avoid targeting the wrong thing to get some cds on it

on rasta i had a hotkey that targeted my assigned CC target and blinded it

[latent gazelle]

That could work but I was thinking more along the lines of what arena players use. One button targets opponent 1 same thing with a modifier targets opponent 2

This is probably a question for wow-general

[lost horizon]

Just use mouseovers imo

Make your modifier use the same ability but as a mouseover, and can use boss frames if your nameplates aren't convenient

[zenith gust]

a dude is telling me that when using coral in dungeons, if the mob you applied the debuff to dies, Coral gives you the crit anyways, even when you didnt use the "use" function of the trinket, and gets no CD on the trinket so he can insta use again. is this true?

because by reading the tooptip what i understand is that u dont get any crit unless you actually USE the trinket right?

[stable yarrow]

If stacks are removed, u get crit buff

[latent gazelle]

Okay thanks guys. I’ll try those ideas out and see. I probably just need to change my trip macro to something besides focus target to free that up for something more useful

[cosmic prism]

if you use lucid dreams, should i just burn all my energy after the opener and use it asap?

[vocal kelp]

Use whenever you are starved for energy after the opener. Usually 15sec ish into vendetta

[cosmic prism]

👍 thanks

[strange python]

[daring imp]

Dose Vendetta work with the guardian condensed life-force summons?

[teal geyser]

hey guys,can someone explaine me how to use the coral ?

[urban junco]

C O R A L

[strong folio]

On pull to apply the debuff and then everytime with vendetta

And 20 secs before the boss dies

:P

[zenith gust]

should i use CoS trinket before or after vendetta?

[strong folio]

At the same time

Up to 10 secs before

[zenith gust]

yeah, but like, in a macro?

trinket first or vendetta?

[strong folio]

Thats what I do and I believe most ppl that use trinkets with the same cd with vendetta

Doesn't matter both will be used at the same second regardless of the order on the macro

[zenith gust]

ok

thx

[strong folio]

Np

[rigid mango]

@zenith gust by CoS do you mean lurkers?

[zenith gust]

yep

[rigid mango]

macro it to vend because if you vend + lurk + tb you get a bit of the last seconds of lurk with your next tb

[zenith gust]

yeah i only macroed it to vendetta, but didnt know if it made any difference the order in the macro

[rigid mango]

nah it's the same

[pulsar torrent]

guys, on MA opener, if i get 4cp on the 1st mut, it's best to rup and then mut again, or mut mut rup all the way ?

[rigid mango]

Rupture and mut again

overcapping big bad

[muted maple]

hey guys, im at 350 pearls and can upgrade a benthic azerite piece to 430. im not sure how to sim which one i should upgrade out of my choices, can somebody help me?

[fiery hazel]

The answer is boots.

[rigid mango]

???

no it's the opposite LOL

Wrists > hands > waist > feet

[summer marten]

boots last

[muted maple]

well i dont do EP, i usually do m+

if i do EP its not mythic

[rigid mango]

Then just best stats

[fiery hazel]

what have i been doing with my life.

[rigid mango]

Why would u upgrade the one with a flat %

[summer marten]

boots effect is flat 3%, doesnt scale ,rest scale

[rigid mango]

instead of scaling damage procs

[summer marten]

but just do a gear compare and add same ones with 430ilvl and check whats bes

best*

forgot i can edit, damn

[untold cargo]

So is no one talking about how we all got screwed on TR shoulder rolls tuesday?

[rigid mango]

420 ilvl, probs

[summer marten]

well, 350 is for 430

[muted maple]

ah i didnt know raidbots had a gear compare feature. thank oyu

[rigid mango]

Why would they, utterly un-intersting conversation.

430 on azerite, yeah

You can't get rest of ur stuff past 425 tho

[summer marten]

yea, he asked azerite 😃

[rigid mango]

Don't mind me.

had the other question too many times

[fiery hazel]

i threw you off with my fake news

[summer marten]

im doing head, since head from m+ are worst, but thats because i run sub + exsang, and head has ss + dd + op

[rigid mango]

sure I'll blame it on that

Exsang in any content

[summer marten]

awesomeness 😃

[rigid mango]

Less damage

[summer marten]

well, when the choice is less damage or not playing wow at all... that is better option to me 😃

[woeful minnow]

that's a lot of hate for tb

[summer marten]

still less than for dfa as i played sub last exp and quit because that crap was far ahead

[strange python]

dfa

[summer marten]

hmm, benthic helm has loyal as alternative for ss, so its not bad that way either, but then everyone in m+ group should have it

[strange python]

at what point do we drop elemental in our opener?

[rigid mango]

before vend

[strange python]

it kind of fucks up the first EP envenom but should be negligible

[river hearth]

So, I am about to unlock my first minor on my rogue. What si teh ideal setup for major minor when you first unlock your minor? Obviously I'll sim but figured I'd ask ahead of time.

[vapid scarab]

there are like 5 different combinations that depend on your character, simming is the only way to know

[muted maple]

i dont have blood of the enemy yet but that one seems like itd be really good for toxic blade burst

[obtuse ruin]

any tips for people using coral in m+? when to use and what not

[stuck knoll]

Pop it on a target and when they die it gives you stacks without setting off cd

So you just activate again on the next person

[obtuse ruin]

but wont the amount of crit gained not be much?

[finite osprey]

Helllo, I am new here and new to rogue (a couple of weeks in). I read the suggested guide with shrouded suffocation and Toxic Blade. How does the ideal opener look like from invis in mythic plus if there are let's say 3-4 enemies. Should I use empowered garrote on three targets and overcap my combo points or should i use empowered garrote and rupture, garrote on the other target and rupture and non-empowered garrote on last. Thank you in advance

[stuck knoll]

It’s as much crit as that mob could physically get

Because you let it stack til they die

[obtuse ruin]

gotcha

[royal lantern]

is the coral even that great for m+?

right now it feels like my plumage gives me more value overall

[stuck knoll]

Coral is insane for outlaw

[obtuse ruin]

just got one so trying it out

[stuck knoll]

And I think coral is also decent for sin

[royal lantern]

#assassination 😄

[stuck knoll]

Though I don’t know how good

[solemn meadow]

Zine?

[royal lantern]

atleast decent i gues

small dmg boost for 1 enemy, more crit too finish the group 🤷 its something i gues

[solemn meadow]

plumage is good for outlaw?

nice

[royal lantern]

plumage is a ~10-12%dmg increase

[stuck knoll]

Coral

Not plumage

[vapid scarab]

@finite osprey you garrote all 3

[royal lantern]

now u all confuse me

[rigid mango]

I think font is the best trinket you can have atm for m+

Just about using it correctly

[solemn meadow]

Zine what's your character called if I may ask?

[finite osprey]

@vapid scarab Thank you kind sir

[rigid mango]

no u

[solemn meadow]

wait what

[rigid mango]

Why do u want to know

[solemn meadow]

Want to look at your logs

[hollow stone]

He wants to know if youre actually good or just a poser

Gotem

[rigid mango]

My logs are priv mate

[solemn meadow]

[rigid mango]

we priv log this tier so

@solid nova 💩

[stuck knoll]

Just prog

[solemn meadow]

I hate how expensive everything but gems and food is

[hollow stone]

Hes ashamed of his logs obviously

[solemn meadow]

if I didn't boost I wouldnt have the money for anything

[finite osprey]

@vapid scarab May I ask if Dungeon Slice Beta worth using for the purposes of mythic plus simulation or should I rather use patchwerk with different targets?

[rigid mango]

Yeah no kidding

[stuck knoll]

@finite osprey it’s not great for assa

[rigid mango]

My logs are garbage, no one is allowed to see

[vapid scarab]

don't sim sin for m+

[hollow stone]

😬

[stuck knoll]

No you still sim

[dull inlet]

I'm looking 3 different builds on wowhead for assass, vanilla, Exsang, and Master Ass, do you all have any preference? Is one particularly stronger than another for ST?

[rigid mango]

m+ is more just knowing more than simming tbh

[stuck knoll]

You just don’t blindly dslice

[rigid mango]

tbh I never sim anything for m+

ever

[solemn meadow]

m+ is about when to use cds

[vapid scarab]

you just ask what you should take and then you take it

[hollow stone]

You shouldnt blindly sim, period. Whether for m+ or not

Brain is required

[rigid mango]

[dull inlet]

[obtuse ruin]

alright coral sucks for low M+

[rigid mango]

m+ sims are turbo scuffed, I'd rather just go off of my knowledge > sims

since there's no accurate enough way to see

[dull inlet]

ok, I answered my own question 😄

[finite osprey]

The problem is that I have 0 knowledge since I am very new to rogue. I have to rely on something . I went through ravenholdt guide as well as wowhead in order to catch up. Maybe you could suggest an alternative resource, targeted specifically for mythic+. This is pretty much the sole reason I leveled my rogue for.

[rigid mango]

There really isn't one, that's the issue

[finite osprey]

😦

[vapid scarab]

just ask man

[rigid mango]

The only proper source is following seliathan

He's streaming atm

Green name to the right

[solid nova]

Thats the entire purpose of class discords

[regal carbon]

Ask questions here, people know stuff and will help

[rigid mango]

Aslong as the question isn't answered with check pins, sim yourself or look at the guide

It's not a bad question.

[finite osprey]

What is the optimal combination of azerite traits, because I've seen so many variations. At the moment I have 2 twists the knife, 2 shrouded suffocation and 2 echoing blades. Should I aim for something better?

[rigid mango]

That's what I'm running 😄

[dull inlet]

That's a sim yo self situation I think

[vapid scarab]

no it isn't

[rigid mango]

It isn't, not m+

[dull inlet]

just kidding!

[woven summit]

What are the best trinkets for keys?

[vapid scarab]

2/2/2 is a good general build that will be pretty good for just about anything

[rigid mango]

I'd say that's more than fine, I'd say it's a really good setup

Arguably the best

[woven summit]

You tjink phantom vial a good one for aoe?

[rigid mango]

Not really

I think font is BiS

[vapid scarab]

you can specialize more depending on group, dungeon, and affixes

[rigid mango]

Paired with any passive trink, spyglass pref probs

[woven summit]

Phantom vial sims close second on bloodmallet

[vapid scarab]

but even then, 2/2/2 is gonna be great still

[woven summit]

Is it OK using it if you have no font?

[finite osprey]

My unluck with trinkets is insane. I think I tried to get Harlam dice about 10 times + rerolls 😦

[vapid scarab]

harlans is not even that great tho

[rigid mango]

It's not

[finite osprey]

I've seen a lot of people using it plus spyglass

[woven summit]

Ye I got the dice not that good

[rigid mango]

and I farmed near 100 fh on all my chars total last season

[solemn meadow]

I like to use dice for m+

[vapid scarab]

raid trinkets beat dungeon trinkets pretty easily this patch

[rigid mango]

yet to get more than a vanilla 10 one

[solemn meadow]

since having 2 active trinkets in m+ gets me confused

with font + lurker

[rigid mango]

I think spyglass is just a more consistant dice

I'd value it a bit higher, but not much.

[finite osprey]

Is spyglass good paired with mechagon trinket which has an active for reputation?

[rigid mango]

That one's aight

but I don't think it's that good for m+

Raw damage trinks normally aren't as good as stat ones

i.e font, lurkers, plumage

Etc.

[finite osprey]

What combination would you suggest zine?

[rigid mango]

As BiS?

[finite osprey]

For instance

Well, yeah, as BiS

[rigid mango]

Font + spyglass

Font takes a while to learn to use

and is MUCH better if you're synced with your tank

[finite osprey]

By Font you mean Azshara's Font of Power?

[rigid mango]

Yeah

[finite osprey]

Thanks a lot for you suggestions!

[rigid mango]

It's really good, just harder to use than the other ones

[finite osprey]

I am sorry if some of the questions were stupid 😃

[rigid mango]

plumage is just on demand damage

Nah man, no worries 😄

new trinkets and all, warranted questions

[zenith gust]

@rigid mango should i sim patchwerk or maybe light movement? cuz it seems movement favours crit and patchwerk haste :/

patchwerk -> https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3ouPcxgPCmKhDdMvMYdXMP

[rigid mango]

Patchwerk, always

[zenith gust]

light movement -> https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jS4VeCiA1akef6wb6E7jpa

[solid nova]

Dont sim lightmovement

[rigid mango]

Lightmovement is wack

[vestal wren]

^

[rigid mango]

Stick to 5 min patchwerk as a source for baseline sims

That's what everyone uses, that's how you compare yourself

That's the best way to see

[vestal wren]

light movement has interrupts in that make you randomly stop doing actions, so it can screw your output quite

[wise shore]

Do we just use CDL on cooldown

[zenith gust]

ok

thx

[rigid mango]

depending on kill timer yeah

If you wont lose a cast from delaying it to vend, go for it

if you will lose a cast, use on cd

and or it syncs with hero

[median sand]

Has anyone tested a 430 phial in m+?

[barren gate]

hey dudes, random question but i've been wondering about this. is it better to get an extra envenom in TB and let rupture drop for a few seconds or should i try to keep my rupture uptime up?

[rigid mango]

Damage trinkets are normally not as good as stat ones

It's always worse to let bleeds drop

[vapid scarab]

plan ahead so that rupture doesn't drop in the first place

[rigid mango]

^ that too

but yeah, bleeds > env

[barren gate]

ah ok. is it worth to hold TB for a few seconds to renew a rupture then?

[vapid scarab]

no

refresh it early if you have to

[royal lantern]

if you are in that position, yes, but you should never be there

[vapid scarab]

plan more ahead if that is the case

[rigid mango]

You never hold TB

You'd rather waste a couple of seconds of non-pandemic'd rupture

than to hold tb extra seconds

[barren gate]

got it. thanks dudes

[hollow stone]

Only time you may hold tb is if you will be swapping and wont get the full tb duration in, or something like that

[rigid mango]

^

can you stick to saying smart shit isntead of falming my logs now apple?

[hollow stone]

Haha. No promises ❤️

[rigid mango]

[woven summit]

But e hold TB for energy right?

Only that?

[hollow stone]

No. Like they said plan better

[woven summit]

Aha I see

[vapid scarab]

never hold TB

[hollow stone]

Pool before tb is off cd

[rigid mango]

You press it even if ur low on resources

but if that means you miss an env

[hollow stone]

Yea

[rigid mango]

You fucked up planning

[barren gate]

you're trying to fit 3 in each TB window right?

[rigid mango]

2-3

yeah.

2 is fine, 3 with crits

[vapid scarab]

2 at the minimum, 3 if you plan well, 4 if luck

[rigid mango]

4 is you go env > mut > env > mut > env > mut > env

each gcd

[dire spoke]

5 with alacrity

[finite osprey]

Should you use TB off cd even if you have 5 combo points? Or should you spend them and then use it

[vocal kelp]

use it on 5 cp

[rigid mango]

yes

Losing 1 cp is worth it

Even 2 if it crits, doesn't matter

unless you wont get full tb on target

use tb.

[verbal nimbus]

What if rupture needs refreshed? I feel like I'

[hollow stone]

Where has eleem been? He loved that question

[verbal nimbus]

d wait until the next envenom

[rigid mango]

then u missplayed

[zenith gust]

what is CDL?

[verbal nimbus]

ah ok

[rigid mango]

u tb

@hollow stone he's working

@zenith gust CLF? Condensed life force

[finite osprey]

What if the monster about to die like 5% or smth and your rupture has run out. Would you spend your combo points for envenom or reapply rupture

[zenith gust]

"Do we just use CDL on cooldown"

[rigid mango]

[finite osprey]

From what I understood envenom deals more damage but you also said don't let your bleeds drop 😃 I am a bit confused

[rigid mango]

I just assume CDL is condensed life force

[zenith gust]

oh ok

[rigid mango]

at that point

If it will only survive a short amount, u rupture a small one

2-3 cp maybe

and then keep puimping

depends how little 5% is

[finite osprey]

So rupture is always priority to envenom?

[rigid mango]

It's always good to have one up, yeah

[vapid scarab]

how fast is 5% going to last

like'

[rigid mango]

[hollow stone]

Never deal in absolutes

[rigid mango]

hard to gauge

[vapid scarab]

that's the only way to answer the question

[hollow stone]

👀

[finite osprey]

Well about 4 seconds maybe

[rigid mango]

env

don't rupture then

[finite osprey]

I had it today in +11 king's rest

pack after 1st boss

[rigid mango]

Just finish it off

[finite osprey]

alright

Can't thank you enough Zine

[vapid scarab]

trash you probably always just env it at 5%, unless you're trying to rupture snipe for energy, bosses as long as boss is going live >4s, always refresh rupture

[finite osprey]

@vapid scarab Thank you too 😃

[dire spoke]

@verbal nimbus plan bleeds around cooldowns and pool for TB even if youre sitting at 5cp for 3sec

[strange python]

It says that u have to be stealthed to apply Shrouded Suffocation, but Subterfuge does bypass the "u have to be stealthed" thing, right ?

[stuck knoll]

While sub is active SS is applied yes

[strange python]

Pog

Imo they should write that is works with subterfuge since ur not really stealthed 😄

[wary sun]

It is a stealthed ability when played from subterfuge tho = stealth : )

[hollow stone]

I havent dropped this nugget in a while so here we go: outside of burn windows in particular (vend and tb). If youre maintaining both bleeds, and not capping E or CPs, youre not losing potential dps

Pool away friends

[willow wasp]

do most people have a raid set/keys item set

cuz these stats are driving me insane

im boutta keep them all in the same ballpark and call it a day

[neon sedge]

do we still used focused resolve for single target

[sullen pagoda]

different sets ofc

raid gear consists of 4 benthic pieces which are not that good in m+

[willow wasp]

i feel like u dont even need benthic until mythic progression

[sullen pagoda]

well mythic prog is already a week in

[willow wasp]

ye and people are getting stomped

[sullen pagoda]

ofc depends if you ar ehc raider min maxing benthic isnt a problem

[willow wasp]

yeah for sure

[cold rampart]

btw what is the best way to farm rank 3 BoTE

[willow wasp]

im just getting tilted trying to even stats