assassination

[mossy zealot]

meh I struggle to get motivated to do a 10+ cant stand m+

[tiny arrow]

Two if you do 15s

[meager nebula]

15 is the minimum for 2 weeks yeah

[icy ember]

well i have 80k TR, so im not sure, prolly 3 weeks

[meager nebula]

10s give you 5, 15s give you 8

[round harbor]

That sounds accurate

[icy ember]

ye im not gonna risk it after last season

NOPENOPENOPE

[tiny arrow]

I'm gonna gamle shoulders once, if I get sanguine monstrosity once more I'm never gambling again.

[round harbor]

Getting a piece of gear in two months is pretty not worth

[untold current]

55k residuum, assume it would take at least 8 weeks at least to get 200k residuum

[mossy zealot]

but anyway is IRIS bis or do I not need to really worry about gettin it for EP ?

[round harbor]

In two months you won't even need 445 azerite lol

[hazy iron]

pretty sure noone has rank 4

[untold current]

agreed

[drifting cloud]

You can do it in 6-7 weeks

[untold current]

ok, im doing the gamble

shit

[hazy iron]

unluck

[untold current]

gore-splattered

[meager nebula]

iris is probably okay to use for some fights, but other essences like lucid/blood are better

[icy ember]

well for M+ it is the go to

[untold current]

lol

[tiny arrow]

Gonna be nice getting condensed this week

[round harbor]

For sin I'd run bote for keys

Just personal preference though

Iris is a pad tool imo

[tiny arrow]

I like my iris

[icy ember]

well i usually play outlaw for m+

so i use my iris fo sho

[round harbor]

Even outlaw I think it's largely a pad tool

[tiny arrow]

Blasting the adds on Yazma just feels so good

[icy ember]

outlaw is a pad spec

[meager nebula]

iris doesn't feel very worth it on tyrannical weeks at least

trash just melts anyway

[round harbor]

You do so much dmg already the 4 seconds wasted on casting it is huge dmg potential lost

And alot of the time there is prio targets anyway which would benefit bote way more

And like crit just said, bote is st aswell

[icy ember]

well its true that it is an aoe tool

its just apples and oranges

[round harbor]

Kinda, kinda not

They both take up major essence slot and both are used to amplify dmg

[meager nebula]

iris has its upsides, but it has a lot of downsides as well

if you get stunned or cc'd during the channel its a lot of lost damage, you can't kick or use any other abilities during the cast

etc etc

[round harbor]

I get rank 3 protocol today, excited to test out 10% extra dmg aswell

[stable walrus]

how do you sim for m+? hectic / patchwerk with n targets or?

[cobalt pelican]

no n word please

[night vale]

I believe m+ is mostly feelycrafy atm, not a lot of people sim for it.

[woeful minnow]

dungeonslice

[sullen pagoda]

i wouldnt consider dungeonslice a highly reliable source

[cobalt pelican]

you can use any of the sim fightstyles as long as you understand their limitations and what information to take from them

there isn't really any sim you can just set to go and will give you one solid result you can just slot in, though, so most people just wing it

[tepid ridge]

does EP buff mecha's trinket?

[icy ember]

well i equip or dont equip my stuff based off my dungeonslice sims

for outlaw for m+

[limber plover]

does mastery affect Dagger in the Back?

[austere ruin]

how many EB u guys bring to M+

[raven locust]

Does toxic blade increase the damage of Inkpod?

[rigid mango]

@austere ruin I'd say 2 tops, 3 if you're blasting low keys

@raven locust no, tb only increases rogues specific nature damage abilities

[full flame]

!pot

[rigid mango]

Unbridled fury for ST

[full flame]

and in m+?

[rigid mango]

optimally, proximity

iirc 2-3 targets is standard agi, 4+ is prox

[austere ruin]

thx

[atomic saddle]

Do we Play around elaborate planning in any Situation?

[rigid mango]

True minmax yes, but a lot of the time you get near full value of EP without evne thinking about

it

With DD's, getting your muti's in the envenom windows is more important, for m+ you don't care about env windows and jsut care about EP

[atomic saddle]

Aight

Does inkpod profit from eb / Master poisoner / TB?

[rigid mango]

Master poisoner is only weapon poisons so no, tb is only rogue specific stuff and so is EP afaik

[atomic saddle]

Kk thx

[gentle path]

whats the timing for out opener pre-pull with font of power?

[rigid mango]

wdym

[gentle path]

when do we use trinket > pot > stealth , whats the timing

[rigid mango]

font @ 5 on pull

[gentle path]

i t ried at 5 seconds and i cannot prepot in time

[rigid mango]

I use it as soon as 6 becomes 5

Like

[gentle path]

and get in stealth

[rigid mango]

Last mini bit of 6

[gentle path]

ok ill just do it at 6

[rigid mango]

Means I get steath + pot off

Yeah

I mean you lost 1 sec, it's fuckall dps anyways

[gentle path]

yeah the 1 second isnt worth not having a 2nd potion

[rigid mango]

idd

[royal torrent]

stuck with a meticulous scheming....so demoralizing

[night summit]

best potion for rogues?

[placid dawn]

fury

[night summit]

when do we want to use pocket sized trinket?

[rigid mango]

in the pins in #wow-general

[summer onyx]

Question for razor coral, i see in pinned that you should you should pair for vendetta, but should you use it for burst windows with tb too?

[rigid mango]

You should be using tb in vend soo, yeah?

[vapid scarab]

if you aren't going to get another vendetta in the fight then yeah you could use it early in a TB

[summer onyx]

I mean outside of vendetta

Or if i only use it with vendetta

[vapid scarab]

only vendetta

[summer onyx]

Got it, thanks

I just got a 450 tf one and wanted to know the exact timings

[stark oxide]

Do quick sim on raid bots, and scroll down to the sample ability log

It will give you a 4minute example rotation

from there you just need to decide if its worth holding cds for a burn phase (which is kinda doubtful currently)

[icy ember]

where is the sample ability log link at

[stone crescent]

Anyone using lucid M and focus m and having raidbots topgear basically tell you to drop to 10% haste :/

[rigid mango]

Yes

[stark oxide]

I just stack crit until the sim breaks

[rigid mango]

It's not shocking when both are very haste killing

I just stack whatever the sims tells me to stack

[stone crescent]

its legit telling me to drop all my gems (including my agi gem) and enchants and gear and just get crit

feels bad man

[stark oxide]

Yeah of course, you get a ton of haste and fake haste from essences

You even get free vers from Lucid minor

[slender urchin]

How do you play with Font/Coral?

[vapid scarab]

benthic boots raise crit quite a bit to

[stark oxide]

Font pre-pull, apply coral asap, font before every vendetta, pop coral on the last 20 seconds of the boss

[slender urchin]

Thanks, Flowbie

[stark oxide]

There are a couple other variations you might see in sims

But that's a generic way to do it

[icy ember]

thanks flowbie i didnt know about that option @stark oxide

[stark oxide]

NP

[slender urchin]

That's how Raidbots does it, I was just reading through a sample pull and I took note of that

[stark oxide]

Yeah you can't pop both during vendetta so you just end up use coral for free damage procs and 100% crit on the execute

[rigid mango]

@stark oxide where did u see that being correct?

[stark oxide]

Seen it in the past here, and in various sims

[barren wadi]

what are the traits I should be looking for the most now with beguiling?

[stark oxide]

The APL could be screwy, but that's the best I've been able to find

[wooden fog]

Is coral and font best trinket combo for St because of the bloodmallet simmed dps?

[rigid mango]

It looks like potentially the best, yeah

[wooden fog]

Great thanks

[stark oxide]

3x ttk, 2 EB, 1 SS is the go-to currently to my knowledge, any combination of those or the ST traits would be ok for M+

[rigid mango]

Or the st traits?

[stark oxide]

I mean if you had 2

had to*

[rigid mango]

What, DD/NP?

[barren wadi]

ok, thank you

[echo geyser]

are Dung slice sims fine for comparing assa traits for m+?

[rigid mango]

Nah not really

assa's dungeonslice sims are wack af

They don't really portray what the best setups are, really

any mix of eb/ttk/ss is fine, normally 3ttk 2 eb 1 ss or 2/2/2, if you're new, running 3eb/ss is really simple and very effective

[stark oxide]

Yeah, agree. the ST thing was just if you didn't have the recommended.

[echo geyser]

is 1 eb fine on fort weeks as well or would u go for 2

[rigid mango]

I'd say recommending DD is very incorrect, but sure

I'd say 2 for most fort weeks is definetly good

You always need one eb and ss, after that it's more flexible

[stark oxide]

Still waiting for Sin to pass up outlaw in M+ usage

[rigid mango]

Wont happen.

[hollow stone]

Keep waiting

[echo geyser]

dont u think assa would be better suited for fort weeks as pulls get longer and longer

outlaw runs out of bladeflurry

[hollow stone]

Still has more utility

[icy ember]

ye keep waiting, sin is just too difficult for me to M+, BETTER than outlaw

[barren wadi]

ok, so the reason I was asking is cus the sim was telling me 3 SS, 1 TTK, 1 EB and 1 NP

[rigid mango]

Seeing as how I actually think outlaw is the better spec atm

I don't think sin surpasses any time soon 😄

[strange python]

i go 3ss 3eb .. all fine .. i go 3ss 1 eb 2ttk .. all fine

everytime i play sin all is fine

[stark oxide]

the TTK build just has bigger priority target damage is all

[strange python]

jap

[stark oxide]

theres an argument for both versions tbh

Although TTK helps a lot on tyrannical in comparison

[rigid mango]

I do agree sorta, but I think people underestimate how much prio outlaw does with wits

[scenic nacelle]

!BENTHIC

!benthic

[rigid mango]

pins.

Also, SS>TTK for boss dmg afaik

[strange python]

if u can fit in 1 eb

should be ok

[rigid mango]

hm?

It's not bad to run sin for sure, I've ye to see anything defining on what's best yet

But there's a very good chance we're in the same exact seat as in s2

[stark oxide]

Gouge is a big factor

[rigid mango]

or outlaw is maybe even better,

[coral ice]

Guys, are you getting out of stealth randomly? It is really frustrating.

[strange python]

gouge is such a big factor that every MUST play outlaw ? its a lie

[stark oxide]

that's the theme of the expansion

[rigid mango]

Gouge is huge, stun in rotation that applies prey is huge, vanish on lower cd that you can use for utility only

Is huge

[stark oxide]

I mean I didn't say THAT Tiri, just that its a factor

[rigid mango]

outlaw is insane, there's nothing showing that either spec is better

Jsut that outlaw's utility is better

in general

Shit like per say, underrot, I'd say sin utility is giga

Also we don't DR stuns on the maggots

I'm just saying, outlaw is still just as good as before and I don't really see a reason it wouldn't be the best

[stark oxide]

Yeah

[kind steppe]

Outlaw has giga aoe and can chain pull

[rigid mango]

Sin does more damage 😄

[arctic walrus]

Would you save bote for inkpod just like coral

[strange python]

sin has giga dmg too

[kind steppe]

which was very good in season 2 with reaping and not an affixe (like infected ) that makes the chain pulling impossible

[balmy quest]

This RNG gearing shit is so damn stupid

[rigid mango]

Let's not use the reaping argument, please 😄

[strange python]

welcome to wow 2019 tektos

[kind steppe]

and also

sin silence > outlaw utility on some keys

[rigid mango]

yeah, it's like I said exactly that

🤔

[arctic walrus]

ignored

[kind steppe]

most key

[rigid mango]

Most keys outlaw>sin utility, yeah

[strange python]

outlaw is such a bad spec things rework on ToS content

[rigid mango]

Certain ones sin's is better though

[strange python]

no more fun

[rigid mango]

in the end, outlaw is way easier to do really well on than sin

And easier to gear, easier to optimise

[stark oxide]

Vel, I saved BOTE for our ashvane progression when I was running inkpod...I wanted to make sure it crit and that helped us get her into execute range for shield 3. Don't know if it was the right thing to do, but yeah. Sounded good to me.

[rigid mango]

And will probably, have a much bigger player base

[echo geyser]

is overwhelming power big enough to trade off lets say a SS/TTK for like SoB or the engi haste proc?

[rigid mango]

Sim it.

[echo geyser]

u said dung slice wasnt accurate for m+ sin

[rigid mango]

In that case, no

main traits are worth a lot for sin in m+

I'm just so over the outlaw vs sin argument holy moly

1 day

🙏

[echo geyser]

so getting the right combo of main traits over having good secondary/defensive traits is more important

[cobalt pelican]

sub owns both specs

[stark oxide]

Hey guys so is Sin better than Outlaw for m+ now?

[rigid mango]

[strange python]

u mean sub from classic to wod ?

[stone crescent]

Does the cylcotronic trinket sim properly?

[arctic walrus]

All this talk about outlaw, is combat still a good spec?

[cobalt pelican]

yes

[rigid mango]

Yes

You mean sarcastic joke towards dead ass spec that's worse than the other two?

[cobalt pelican]

combat was snooze

[strange python]

any1 run sub on raid actually ?

[rigid mango]

Not a question for this channle

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/548636404373258250/601350605797326848/ripsub.PNG

Go to #subtlety ty

[strange python]

talking about outlaw is fine ?

wtf

[rigid mango]

We were talking about the diff of the two specs

[stone crescent]

16% haste now but nearly 30% crit, feels fury warrior man 😦 sims telling me to drop vigor for deeper strategem too but thats too much

[rigid mango]

and arguing balance between them, not asking an outlaw specific question

the diff shouldn't be big between vigor/ds

[stone crescent]

yeah its like 80 stuff deeper strat

[rigid mango]

You'll probaly lose more dps playing ds even though it sims more by not playing it perfectly

No offense, ofc

[stone crescent]

yeah nps

[cobalt pelican]

i should play some ds while i still have big ttks

[stone crescent]

cant wait to get rank 3 raid essence and get my haste back

[cobalt pelican]

i didn't think of that

sounds like a good time

[rigid mango]

DS doesn't even outsim for me

with giga crit and 3 ttk

I don't get it

[cobalt pelican]

idk

i've given up trying to make 100% sense of why things swing the way they do right now

and i've just accepted my life as a sim slave

[rigid mango]

I tried to, lost my mind

Now recovering

[cobalt pelican]

feels like my character is just bipolar and randomly decides it wants haste some days

[main monolith]

hi guys one question , how should i use the trinket ashvane trinket? :c

[rigid mango]

Prepull @ 5

and then the same before every vend

[cobalt pelican]

ashvane and azshara have very similar names

[rigid mango]

nevermind.

Ignore me.

You do this one mate

[cobalt pelican]

i was talking about azshara to my guild

and i was saying ashvane for like

5 mins

and nobody corrected me

and then everyoen was just like

wtf

[rigid mango]

[cobalt pelican]

apply as soon as you can -> use with every vendetta after the second -> if no more vendettas left and boss dies soon pop it with tb or some shit who cares

[rigid mango]

That^

Mine's just so crit horny it's insane

Just, everything crit

And I think I'm at like nearly 35% or something already

[cobalt pelican]

i get so many pieces tomorrow assuming some of them don't suck i'm going to spend half of my life trying to make sense of everything with 3.6m iterations

maybe it's time to spend buck

[rigid mango]

Yeah, I've only got 4 mil iteration atm

Fucking pain in my ass trying to sim shit atm

[sturdy python]

Anyone else findingDeeper to sim higher than vigor?

[rigid mango]

yeah

A lot of people do

[faint harness]

havent simmed it in weeeeks

[sudden trench]

FML

[faint harness]

it was consistently like 200-300 dps below vigor for me

RIP

you might aswell scrap it

tbh

[rigid mango]

eb blood 👀

[marble elm]

any 44kers in chat

[sudden trench]

ye- sims 200 more based of pure agi

[faint harness]

its actually a DPS loss for me

[cobalt pelican]

i'm european that's not fair

[faint harness]

my 420 shoulders beats those shoulders

by a few hundred dps

did a droptimizer earlier

[sudden trench]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vYY8oJt8q2aEeZCnGG5fpg

[main monolith]

i throw the goraktul

[sudden trench]

thats with the new crap shoulders

[marble elm]

just get gorak tul

[faint harness]

[marble elm]

its easy https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/atBQSkmwNSY98Dg2WEgucR

[rigid mango]

With right drops/rng from residuum tmr

[marble elm]

just get it

[rigid mango]

I hit like maybe 43+

[faint harness]

are you the luckiest mofo on this planet

or what

[rigid mango]

not even

r3 life

not even coral

[marble elm]

im not using r3 life

or simming with it

[faint harness]

for real tho

[thick ibex]

I got lucky too https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nB929me4ni4VjMgPneFY2J

[cobalt pelican]

font sims pretty significantly higher than coral doesn't it it's just fking annoying

maybe i'm wrong on that

[thick ibex]

wait thats wrong sim

[cobalt pelican]

430 gorak 445 ceph ? ?

hello

[faint harness]

Font is quite annoying to use

[cobalt pelican]

send money ?

[stone crescent]

why are people using loyal to the end? isnt like 167 mastery like massively shit

[faint harness]

ngl

its 350 mastery

[sour wraith]

3 TTK/2 EB/1 SS for m+ is the current setup correct?

[cobalt pelican]

sure if you want

[rigid mango]

Or 2/2/2

I'd say 2/2/2

[thick ibex]

I run x3 SS x2 Echo and x1 TTK.

But in reality just play outlaw

[faint harness]

why outlaw

[marble elm]

OUTLAW

in 2019

pepelaff

[thick ibex]

[marble elm]

what is this

emerlad nightmare

[thick ibex]

Thats for m+

not raid

@marble elm

[faint harness]

[marble elm]

speccing outlaw at all

ever

in the current year

[cobalt pelican]

outlaw is fun pls do not be discriminatory

[marble elm]

wrong

[faint harness]

[rigid mango]

Sometimes I like to smash head into keyboard, you know

My fok finger gets a bit tired sometimes, need to warm up BF finger

[arctic walrus]

Nightr why did you use sprint on blackwater

[marble elm]

habit

[cobalt pelican]

faster you paddle your legs the faster you move

science

[marble elm]

i died on the 1stboss

i got griefed

no heal

[arctic walrus]

So far 2k over previous rank 1s on first and second but private

[rigid mango]

I also press spring on blackwater

I too, am an intellectual

[marble elm]

i didnt get to craft mythic piece until radiance

because the quest got removed from my log

when the raid came out

[faint harness]

lul i also press sprint in water

gigatilted when it doesnt work

[naive scarab]

hey assassins ... is TB better than Exang build again? ... looks like SS moved down in dps rank

[civic palm]

[arctic walrus]

literally griefed

no one soaks barb

[rigid mango]

Just cloak

[cobalt pelican]

o yea does anyone actually know if meld works on barb

my brain says 100% no

[marble elm]

u did 41k on behemoth?

[cobalt pelican]

but i'm also too stupid to try

[marble elm]

2 phase?

[thorn fjord]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[marble elm]

@arctic walrus

[arctic walrus]

10% it phased with 2 dead

[marble elm]

u did 41k with 3 phase?

[arctic walrus]

No not on behemoth we just killed it and I was dead

[marble elm]

o

[arctic walrus]

I did 44k on sivara and 43k on radiance tho

[marble elm]

iwas gonna do a lot on sivara

actually hard griefed

[arctic walrus]

So far both of our kills have been messy but it somehow dies

[marble elm]

our behemonth was fine but

[arctic walrus]

No gear so far though : /

[marble elm]

still 3 phase

[arctic walrus]

That just means a big coral is waiting

[marble elm]

im playing dk for ashvane still;

[arctic walrus]

I'm not looking forward to coral/font though

[marble elm]

maybe next week

[arctic walrus]

Going back to heroic now

before ashvane

[marble elm]

yea thats what we're doing now too

[faint harness]

I feel like we're undersimmed

[red plaza]

Is there a better opener with MA + BotE than the standard Garrote > Mut > Rup> Mut > tb > vend + bote > Vanish ? I looked at the wowhead guide and it said Mut > Rup > Mut > Garrote > Vend > Tb > vanish but I found that my mutilate after rupture is giving me 4 CPs more often than not and so garrote then TB will overcap

[faint harness]

TC's sandbagging our sims?

[arctic walrus]

46k spriest sims and we're over here scrapping 43

[faint harness]

I usually dont meet or even push over my sim dps

but this tier i have done it several times and see other rogues also doing more dps than they sim

[faint quiver]

ey

where is the trinket list?

[rigid imp]

Yo guys, any advise on how to use the ashvane trinket?

[red plaza]

Macro it to Vendetta and that's it

[stark oxide]

no, that's not it

You can macro it into vendetta and be fine, as you do use it with vendetta, but you need to reapply it 20 seconds later to put the debuff back on the boss

And LiG, your first 3 buttons will be either mut rup mut, or mut mut rup, depending on if you got the crit. That's the "new version"
You're also totally fine if you do the old version with the garrote mut rupture out of stealth. its only slightly worse

[red plaza]

yaya but what if mut rup mut the 2nd mut crits and you end up with 4 cp

[frigid sleet]

its fine wasting 1 cp

[elder gulch]

what do you guys do for queen's court? Do you throw in a FoK so you don't double mutilate?

[stark oxide]

In that case I believe its
mut rup mut garrote popcds vanish envenom TB mut

[arctic walrus]

Detection, kick, tricks, sprint, step, or eat it

[elder gulch]

wait that shit works? lol wtf

[stark oxide]

I tend to just eat it since the 1 GCD silence just replaces pooling

IDK if that changes in mythic though, if it does damage or something

Havent looked into that one yet

But yeah any ability should do the trick, you can even waste blind, pop evasion, etc. Generally you wont use them anyway that fight

[marble elm]

does detection actually work

[rigid mango]

ye

[marble elm]

lmao

[strange python]

swirl ball

[forest trench]

hey guys how you use ashvane's razor coral to be optimal

[strange python]

...................

[arctic walrus]

Is there a weak aura that tracks how many people are running loyal to the end or do I have to count

[bleak spoke]

How are people using condensed life force atm

Just on pull and on third vendetta?

[strange python]

any1 has rank3 allready ?

[arctic walrus]

After I kill court I'll have it

[rigid imp]

thanks for the answer bois!

[echo geyser]

Vanish before or after Tb in sin opener with MA?

Running lucid major and not bote btw

[bleak spoke]

err i do g m r v m tb van env m env

[cobalt pelican]

without blood it's basically the same as bod

so the sim will likely vanish tb mut env

but feel free to vanish env mut env

if you're feeling spicy

[bleak spoke]

i think with the crit we have now it's probably accurate to do m r g v m tb van env m env

with lucid major

cuz you're going to be excess energy

when it matters anyway

[cobalt pelican]

it's definitely more likely to pay off but it's the same situation really

except 9/10 times you don't get 2cp hecked

instead of 8/10

[bleak spoke]

2 cp heck is my least favorite kind of heck

[echo geyser]

Thanks

[hybrid monolith]

im sure it was mentioned already, but does anyone have a quick tldr on opener and vendetta usage with both font and coral?

im assuming you just font before vendetta then coral after the 20s shared cd

[rigid mango]

Yeah

and currently post that, the APL doesn't use coral until execute phas, but font pre every vend

[hybrid monolith]

font 10s before vendetta, then coral 10s into it

ah

[rigid mango]

Nah you use font as close to

so 5s on pull itmer

ish

but I'll talk to the TC people afte they've raided and see if APL can be improved on coral + font usage or this is the best

[hybrid monolith]

thanks

[pulsar hornet]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > vers => mastery > haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.

[bronze wagon]

Toxic blade before vendetta or after? with nothing personal traits

[rigid mango]

You always TB inside of vend

[bronze wagon]

oh okay, i was just wondering if it increased nothing personal damage if you did it before

[rigid mango]

You want the increased 30% dmg on your envenoms rather

and you wouldn't get full tb inside vend if you used it before?

[bronze wagon]

gotcha okay

[dark crag]

Np damage is a dot

[karmic kite]

should we be using clf on cooldown or with 3rd vendetta

[rigid mango]

Check the APL

p sure it uses it on CD

but it might be better to sync it up if fight timers allow you to not lose a cast of it

[bleak spoke]

i think i'm gonna use it like warlock cds

[bronze wagon]

ty guys ❤

[bleak spoke]

on cd if i'll miss a cast

but delayed and synced if i wont'

[rigid mango]

yeh

p sure that's the play

[dark crag]

Wasn't it the minor that procs the increased dmg?

[bleak spoke]

the major causes nonstop procs of the minor right

that's how i'm reading it at least

[round harbor]

Seems like it

[bleak spoke]

"impales your target with spikes of azerite every 2 seconds" in the major

"when an azerite spike does damage..." as the minor conditional

[round harbor]

Hopefully get rank 3 tonight

[bleak spoke]

yeh same here

[dark crag]

I am 1 raid away from r3, but my understanding was the major is the Guardian + haste and minor proc the +dmg taken

[heady ridge]

trinket with cyclotronic or harlan dice 425 for raids?

[rigid mango]

You do

If you clear HC + radiance I think(?)

[bleak spoke]

https://i.imgur.com/LQktvbH.png https://i.imgur.com/oTcW2OE.png

so there might be weird 2 second dead zones in the damage amp

but uh

heck knows

[dark crag]

Soon

[rigid mango]

I mean

http://prntscr.com/oj6fs5

[bleak spoke]

man what

[rigid mango]

It's a 350 dps downgrade

from blood

[ripe nimbus]

do we just use Condensed life force on cooldown or do we line it up with vendetta?

[rigid mango]

in this sim

[bleak spoke]

are you sure your stats aren't fucked up because of blood

[rigid mango]

Just what we're talking about

scroll up^

uhh, maybe?

this was a super quick sim done

i can rejigg it

[bleak spoke]

@ripe nimbus doing it like how warlocks do darksoul + 3min

[rigid mango]

I've been doing a bunch of these sims man

the diff is sooo tiny

[bleak spoke]

so they will hold only if they don't lose a cast

if they'll lose a cast they cast on cd

[rigid mango]

it's honestly arguably the same

[ripe nimbus]

ahh

[bleak spoke]

and let it line far later

i think for us at least that must be the play with master assassin

maybe with subterfuge it might disjoint the coolies enough to be worth waiting

[rigid mango]

This is territory ngl

[bleak spoke]

i had another idea for when we're 65 neck though which is you play cdl + lucid + vop and then you vendetta on cooldown and line vanish on every cdl, but you also play exsang

[rigid mango]

like, It seems like blood might just be better

before scaling even happened

[bleak spoke]

so your time is literally parcelled out into 45 second exsang blocs

i think it might have a future

[rigid mango]

I think blood might just be BiS

[marble elm]

what traits you have

[rigid mango]

Doom saying and very anecdotal

[bleak spoke]

check haste/mastery

[marble elm]

blood was better for me until i dropped 2 twist

now life force is like +100

[rigid mango]

I've been running a shit ton of sims like

With diff setups

last week or so

The diff has been so small

like atm I'm not even simming my own shit

[faint harness]

blood major is really strong so im not surprised 🙂

[bleak spoke]

idk the only thing i think we know is that in an ideal setup we probably play lucid minor because all other minors are depleted

[rigid mango]

obviously

[granite meteor]

is it normal for my sims to be heavily favoring mastery? I thought haste was normally king for ST

[bleak spoke]

besides that i think it might be down to the fight

[faint harness]

simming it rn

actually 500 dps upgrade

[rigid mango]

[karmic kite]

yeah clf simmined a 350 dps up for me but it feels so bad

[rigid mango]

I'm v confused what's going on tbh

Like I can't put my finger on why shit is doing what

[bleak spoke]

i think your gems and enchants might be depleted

[faint harness]

how does it feel bad

just pop a thing

before vendetta

[rigid mango]

wdym depleted

[bleak spoke]

idk man

[faint harness]

i have 0 TTKs

[rigid mango]

I've got 3

Might be that then?

[faint harness]

it might just be that TTK scales a lot with bote

[rigid mango]

hm

[bronze horizon]

Just got 430 razor coral in raid, running that and cyclo blast trinket. What takes priority first? Putting cyclo on CD THEN applying coral after vendetta? or the other way around?

[icy ember]

is there anyway to sim r3 bote when I only have r2?

[bronze horizon]

Since it's not an instant buff for vend

[faint harness]

yea shade

[rigid mango]

You press advanced control

and change

[faint harness]

i mean you can just change the "azerite_essences="14:2/300573/27:3/300575" line to 14:3

[arctic walrus]

we did it

[faint harness]

Gzzz

what did it take

full HC clear + radiance?

or just full HC clear

[arctic walrus]

H radiance + court

I had a m court kill from last week too

[faint harness]

how much do you get per boss

in HC

[arctic walrus]

7 I think

[faint harness]

ah nice

ez then

[arctic walrus]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tBrXoAQiH8qSVGgU3R8U5y

hUgE

[fallow otter]

anyone gambled yet? all 3 leather gamble shoulders i saw were the same ones, vbad for us 😃

im waiting for our mythic and heroic clear before rolling

but tempted to roll, coz need shoulders long term

[rigid mango]

All 3?

[stark oxide]

Zaqul helm is the only BiS (or close to) piece for us anyway

best shoulders are orgozoa, but they're quite a bit behind gorak tul and on par with other decent residuum

Blackwater chest is ok, so I suppose that's worth waiting to see. Queen's court is undulate tides sim-bait chest piece (but that could be good on a prog fight that isn't a dps check)

At least, thats what my sim findings are

[broken meteor]

What mythic azerite slot should i go for with the gamble titan resid ;D?

[stark oxide]

Droptimizer on raidbots

its a good rule of thumb to just go by that

[broken meteor]

Good point!

[stark oxide]

the only exception being if you want to wait to see what you get form raid

[broken meteor]

That is actually probably a better idea... 3xDD is still the go to right?

[severe bough]

i think it is

oh btw

[rigid mango]

Still looks like same bis as last tier

3 dd 1 np bbi ttk 3 op

[severe bough]

how good is 39.4k on sims as 423 ilvl?

this isnt just a flex,. im genuinely curious

[stark oxide]

really good

[severe bough]

pog

[rigid mango]

I mean yeah, optimised

[severe bough]

now if only i can get a 440 plumage or something

yeah optimized to the core

8 sockets

shit like that

[rigid mango]

I'm 3 ilvls higher and sim another uhhh

1.5k?

1.6*

[severe bough]

wait 1 ttk is now bis build?

very interesting

[meager nebula]

really depends on your trinkets as well

[rigid mango]

Was before too

[broken meteor]

I'm not optimized at all haha

[jagged mortar]

Sims still don't like BOTE rank3??? is there a trait I'm missing or is it just stat weights that are preventing BOTE > LUCID? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ryRY5BxgrhtqfGTQEDzyF7

[rigid mango]

Not becayae of ttk

[severe bough]

well i guess i was a pleb on last tier

[rigid mango]

Because it's the only chest w good traits + OP

Aka cephalohide

[severe bough]

Ah

yeah im considering gamblin on a 430 now

or on a 445 next week

which would be the play

[meager nebula]

430 not really worth it

[severe bough]

Okay, i'll wait for a week then, ty

[harsh sphinx]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[rigid mango]

430 can be aight if u wont lose a 445 gamble ever

[severe bough]

how many residuum does a 15 give?

[deep parcel]

Hey fellas, so I'm not entirely sure what I'm doing wrong here, feel like I should be doing way better, could anyone give me an assist? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/dvnrmxbjR2tJa7TD#type=damage-done&boss=-2&difficulty=0&wipes=2
XeroBlue is the name

[severe bough]

15k?

[rigid mango]

uhh

20k?

an 18 gives 24k

So that sorta area, 18k maybe?

[severe bough]

kk

well im gonna try to do higher than 15 then

im gonna hit up some buddies

[rigid mango]

^

[severe bough]

i dread the thought to pug a 16

Vel, ty

[arctic walrus]

18 every week = mythic every other week

[broken meteor]

Feels bad getting 440 wrists out of your weekly chest 2x in a row 😦

[severe bough]

i kinda slacked and just did a 14 last week

i think i can go higher tho

[broken meteor]

So atm lucid major and WV minor is BiS? aslong as you have 3+ melee running WV minor?

[fallow otter]

depends on movement in the fight

[stark oxide]

It's hard to actually get value from worldvein imo

[fallow otter]

im personally running lucid/iris unless i can convince others to use WV - but going condensed/lucid as soon as i clear our content

[light kestrel]

Are we using 1 agi gem, or still using haste if we're not a JC

[chilly marsh]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wLWzr4Tgg1zcKNq1xjeEHM

@_@

[broken meteor]

So the engie helm is worth getting?

[chilly marsh]

got a good chest from token

[broken meteor]

I couldnt find any info on it while lvling mine at the start of the patch Dx so i stopped half way

[chilly marsh]

yes

[fallow otter]

@light kestrel atm my sim is telling me to use both agi gems, but it has been mastery instead of the +80 as a swap some gear in/out, but def should sim yourself

[cobalt pelican]

it's o k

[chilly marsh]

you will only get better head 8° boss mythic...

[cobalt pelican]

depends heavily on what gear you have

435 zaq helm is better for me than 445 goggles rn

[light kestrel]

That's what I figured, got the ring from council w/ a socket

[broken meteor]

Well im still running first boss BOD mythic lol

Cowl of righteous

Been super unlucky so far with my drops Dx

[fallow otter]

careful with droptimizer for azerite for gamble or raid as it only sims the one piece at a time to compliment the other azerite you have equipped, it doesn't sim the combinations available

[broken meteor]

Might do gear compare after i raid

[fallow otter]

assuming we take a while to kill zaqul i simmed the other go to azerite to see whats good to match the helm from first boss

chest from behemoth stacks up

but still need goraks to make it all work

assuming 4 LttE friends which i will have in my raid

[strange python]

the azshara gloves do not damage. dont get why they sim over socketed pieced with higher ilvl

[fallow otter]

what do you mean?

[cobalt pelican]

they.. do not damage?

[strange python]

do no damage *

[cobalt pelican]

they do like 60k damage every 2 minutes

[strange python]

ashvane 45k total

[cobalt pelican]

how many instances of damage?

[strange python]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QLhGvJtkN6qfCgyP#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=27

[icy pollen]

soo, what azerite pieces will you guys get for titan resi?

[cobalt pelican]

yeah this is a 3 minute boss encounter..

the way the storm works you would either get 2 or 1 in this fightlength

[strange python]

Got it

[cobalt pelican]

if you get 2 it's insane if you get 1 it's fine

[strange python]

wont use on short ones, then

[cobalt pelican]

the proc isn't like tied to whe nyou engage combat

i mean it can be dirty on short boss fights

it's just like..

it procs on a 2min timer that's not tied to combat so

in your case you only got 1 proc, but it could easily proc 2x

you're about as unlucky as can be here

[strange python]

will see on this gorgonzola pull

[cobalt pelican]

like your storm procced probably 20 seconds before you pulled

[glacial glacier]

is heed my call or overwhelming power better?

[fallow otter]

❤ overwhelming

[glacial glacier]

thanks homie.. Just looked on bloodmallet and its not even close overwhelming is pretty damn good

[strange python]

122k here https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QLhGvJtkN6qfCgyP#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=27

[weary arrow]

when do I use my cyclotronic blast during my opener as a MA spec

[fallow otter]

late, basically you shouldnt be in TB window and you shouldnt cap energy when doing so - because im lucid/iris this can 30s after vendetta depending on procs etc

[cobalt pelican]

pretty normal, no ideah ow they hit 5 times

considering they shoot 3 per proc

[white basalt]

so is tunic of the sycophant good? is undulating tides still good? though it get nerfed?

[weary arrow]

@fallow otter what about right after you garrotte->mut->rupture before you pop vendetta

[rigid mango]

It's in the pins in #wow-general

[white basalt]

sorry im in raid and need to decide quick 😃

[rigid mango]

UT is garbage

[fallow otter]

@weary arrow you dont want to pop it during BL you should be blasting

you'll cap energy there i'd say

[rigid mango]

http://prntscr.com/oj6yue

aslong as it follows that

it's fine.

[fallow otter]

that should say outside of lust aswell imo

[rigid mango]

Sims don't care about your opinion 😄

[wintry stone]

If your running Condensed, does your second cast go without a Vendetta, or do you hold it for a minute?

[rigid mango]

If kill timer lets you, yes

If not, use it on cd

[wintry stone]

figured, ty

[somber hill]

any guides on wehn to use azsharas font of power?

[rigid mango]

5 sec before pull, repeat before each vend

[cobalt pelican]

when you want 2.8k agility i think

[fallow otter]

@rigid mango i guess sims 100% dont proc lucid off the mut then

[rigid mango]

What?

[fallow otter]

hahaha @cobalt pelican

[rigid mango]

What are you even trying to say I'm confused

[fallow otter]

ok so, he wants to pop it after on opener after gar mut rupt

[weary arrow]

@fallow otter in raid thanks though man!

[fallow otter]

lucid proc for sure cap energy

[cobalt pelican]

you have vendetta in your opener more or less though

so it's supposed to read:

[fallow otter]

BL running

[cobalt pelican]

after vendetta, or after lucid and vendetta if you have both

[vapid scarab]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8EBLmwmbor8R3vb6MxuAhA
r3 condensed not even higher hmmm

[rigid mango]

like what

[cobalt pelican]

if you don't have lucid this will fall inside lust

and should still be cast

[rigid mango]

What are u even trying to get at

[cobalt pelican]

unless you're somehow lucid proccing every spell

in the universe

[rigid mango]

@vapid scarab https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8Tk7BTFmTMPpPxSyuGcqHA

equal with your gear and MA

[vapid scarab]

fuck I have to play MA now

[cobalt pelican]

i don't really understand the weird sims that have like

[rigid mango]

You don't

[cobalt pelican]

iris minor but no haste gems

[rigid mango]

I mean

[cobalt pelican]

it's so like ?????? to my brain

[rigid mango]

why gear haste

when it gives giga haste

[arctic walrus]

Why is it an upgrade for me

[cobalt pelican]

yeah but it's like

[rigid mango]

I'm running that and it just boosts my crit need

[cobalt pelican]

if your character wants haste that badly

[rigid mango]

tbh

[cobalt pelican]

just like

gem haste go lucid minor

[rigid mango]

idk

[cobalt pelican]

i gues it doesn't work out like that

cause MATH

[rigid mango]

For me it's like

[cobalt pelican]

but it doesn't make sense

[rigid mango]

I run that setup

[somber hill]

so R3

[rigid mango]

drop my haste

kick it all into crit

and shit is still

[somber hill]

r3 condensed life force should be popped when?

[rigid mango]

https://tenor.com/view/no-wack-not-funny-hannibul-gif-5760013

[marble elm]

Catch me not playing clf

Wack essence

[fallow otter]

his question is asking if its safe to pop it after mut gar rupt,

[arctic walrus]

100 dps isn't worth the clunkiness

[rigid mango]

And what I said was

Follow that guide line

that's all he needs to do

[marble elm]

And being cursed with a 3 min cd

[vapid scarab]

CLF probably just nicer to play with on any fight you bleed a 2nd target when lucid is up

[fallow otter]

which is true right, im not arguing otherwise

[rigid mango]

You brought up how you thought X meant it was better in your opinion

[arctic walrus]

Maybe it'd be cool with clf + vision but even that sims like shit

[rigid mango]

I said your opinion doesn't matter in the eyes of sims

[marble elm]

Lucid major

[rigid mango]

I'm not sure what you were getting at after that though

Don't bash my baby, nightr

[cobalt pelican]

why the fuk chest r esets gotta be at 9am instead of old gamer time

[rigid mango]

I mean, havn't they always been?

[marble elm]

Clf, wack

[rigid mango]

no u

[marble elm]

Lucid Major, wack

[rigid mango]

I just don't want to farm bote

tfw lazy

[marble elm]

It’s worth

[cobalt pelican]

resets used to be like 3am servertime or some shit

[fallow otter]

apparently not for my sim

[cobalt pelican]

but that was before weekly caches i guess

[rigid mango]

Like

[cobalt pelican]

but it was good to login and do PUMP

[rigid mango]

The diff for me

is so small

I see vel with a giga upgrade for it

I see people w it being worse

[fallow otter]

+100 dps for me lucid/iris

[rigid mango]

WHO KNOWS

[marble elm]

It’s like 1k for me

[rigid mango]

IT'S LOONY TOONY TIMES

[cobalt pelican]

lucid babies go home

[marble elm]

It would be a smaller gap if I gemmed haste though probably

[rigid mango]

WELCOME TO THE 7TH HELL LADIES AND GENTLEMEN

[fallow otter]

would i prefer the burst for some of these fights, probably yeh but i cbf farming rk3 blood

[marble elm]

I got like 10 holes

Lot of fuck extra star

Stat

[fallow otter]

especially since condensed lyfe now

[rigid mango]

Hole me daddy

[somber hill]

so when would u pop condensed life?

[strange python]

wish VoP major was good enough to compete with BotE and CLF

[vapid scarab]

on c

cd

[rigid mango]

I'm guessing after first MA

before 2nd

[marble elm]

I’m tryna get pre nerf vision

[somber hill]

makes sense thats what i was thinking
@rigid mango

[rigid mango]

and then on cd, but you delay it to 3rd vend if kill timer allows it

[marble elm]

3x nothing personal

[rigid mango]

I'm so fucking

glad

VoP Sucks

MAJOR

asshole

[marble elm]

What’s good 30% of your damage

[rigid mango]

Thank the lords

🙏

[marble elm]

The fact that it’s completely rng is a little wack

[wise shore]

450 boots 1k dps less than 420 benthic haHA

[rigid mango]

RNg a dmg increase?

fuck that

[strange python]

haste based essence proc

[marble elm]

Sometimes you just get procs on procs

Our boomkin had like a 1:30 ca

[rigid mango]

Fuck sims

[arctic walrus]

poison bomb

[rigid mango]

From now on I never sim again

I'm a full time feelycrafter now

[marble elm]

I agree sims are the devil I just use my thinker

[rigid mango]

nothing makes sense

so I wont

[strange python]

3x ttk all in mastery let's go

[cobalt pelican]

i still input all my gear into shadowcraft spreadsheet manually

but it gives nothing back anymore

so i just make it up

[marble elm]

I gem haste always because it makes my spec feel better

[rigid mango]

Imagine there being those people

[arctic walrus]

I gem crit because it doubles my damage

[cobalt pelican]

tbh there's very few people who just make it up most of them end up at icyveins somehow

i respec those who make shit up as they go though

[marble elm]

Don’t need crit gem you either crit or you don’t

50:50

[rigid mango]

I gem vers because I like my healers

[cobalt pelican]

wish i could wear 2 lurkers

[rigid mango]

I wish I could have a lurkers in every slot.

[marble elm]

Lurkers is a devil trinket

[arctic walrus]

What if

[rigid mango]

[wide python]

i dont see a pin for font of power. whats the best way to use it?

[rigid mango]

Pre pull @ 5

repeat for every vend

[arctic walrus]

sockets were only tertiary stats

[cobalt pelican]

SPEED sockets?

[rigid mango]

[marble elm]

What if sockets were consistent

[rigid mango]

Speed.

[wide python]

simple enough i guess

[strange python]

who here still no 430+ daggers

[wide python]

me

2 415

[vapid scarab]

don't you guys remember the 5% xp gem when we were all leveling

[cobalt pelican]

i have like 8 already

[arctic walrus]

No 430 dagger but a 445 :^)

[marble elm]

Imagine having a mythic dagger

[strange python]

I ran like 15 TD this week

[arctic walrus]

Imagine playing your rogue on ashvane prog

[strange python]

no dagger

[marble elm]

Ok man

[strange python]

ran 1 waycrest in outlaw lootspec

[arctic walrus]

❤

[strange python]

got a weapon

[foggy coral]

if I have azshara trinket and ashvanes coral. is it better to use the coral stacks or the channel before vandetta?

[vapid scarab]

@rigid mango how tf did you get condensed+MA to even sim equal, everytime I do it it's .5% lower with literally the exact same gear

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gtEEhYhsuJWgeUUXyENre4

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8Tk7BTFmTMPpPxSyuGcqHA

[rigid mango]

I'm a genius that's how

Lemme check

[desert vault]

so the general idea with coral is cast before Vendetta yeah? Couple guys were saying, in game, they use it on CD

[arctic walrus]

Pretty sure he didn't

I remember seeing sub

[cobalt pelican]

filthy transfusion

[rigid mango]

Mine's using unbridled fury

[cobalt pelican]

o is the default pot still not updated

nice

[marble elm]

If you choose let simc decide it will use crit

[rigid mango]

Idk

That might be the diff

Crit.

[cobalt pelican]

what do we pay these nerds for

[marble elm]

It’s a big trap

[rigid mango]

Looking at my sims, I have no clue

[marble elm]

Clf was worse for me til I dropped 2 twist

[arctic walrus]

Splits are so boring

[rigid mango]

I paid for an extra 300 dps on the dl last week

[marble elm]

That was the only thing I changed

[rigid mango]

still to come in

[polar timber]

anyone got a list of best bosses to roll on

[vapid scarab]

droptimizer

[acoustic sleet]

^

[quasi halo]

Do we use coral on pull then reactivate on second vendetta? Or are we aiming for a certain amount of stacks

[cobalt pelican]

really depends on your gear, ashvane/azshara/weapons are pretty much fine though

[jagged mortar]

Is it easy to put in custom uptime of worldvein in sims based on log %?

[last zephyr]

@rigid mango your sleep schedule is kinda messed up isnt it?

[desert vault]

I see so many different things with logs for Coral, oh well

will just try to pair with Vendetta for now

[rigid mango]

@last zephyr went to bed 11am woke up 6pm yesterday

[fallow otter]

depends on your other trinket mainly i guess

[rigid mango]

[last zephyr]

[rigid mango]

4 hours until depression

Can't wait for benthic slot

[fallow otter]

gambling aswell?

[rigid mango]

Nah just the cache

Not gambling until post raid

[fallow otter]

ya same as me.... nervous af

[rigid mango]

If I getr radiance shoulders I have all 445 pieces and my residuum prio changes I think

so

[fallow otter]

behemoth chest?

[rigid mango]

Got the other two, yeah

[desert vault]

right now i'm just coral and crappy GCB

[untold current]

Anyone have a good WA for coral? The ones on wago look crappy

[rigid mango]

GCB 🤢

[desert vault]

I know, I have nothing else

have one card for the mecha trinket thing

[rigid mango]

Uhh, there's been one passed around a lot, I bet if you control F it there should be one somewhere (?)

[fallow otter]

wooah, been a while since ive had one of those equipped

[desert vault]

guess I need to run Mecha some more

get rid of GCB

[fallow otter]

can craft yellow

and buy the blue iirc

[last zephyr]

gl looting the dagger out of the chest later @rigid mango

[fallow otter]

i got boots lastweek fml, this week tiny upgrade legs no proc

[spice frost]

What’s gcb?

[fallow otter]

every week i build up like a kid on xmas and get disappointed, why do i do this to myself

galecallers

[spice frost]

Yea I just figured it out

Tried to say never mind but I guess calling myself the r word isn’t allowed

[rigid mango]

@last zephyr wish many lucks to you i wanna try outlaw in some keys later too 👀

[last zephyr]

@rigid mango nice I can stay assa then

[wide python]

so if i have both razor coral and font, what would the best usage be? since they put eachother on a 20 sec cd

font 20 secs before vendetta?

[fallow otter]

font@ 5s pre pull then coral as soon as the 20s is up

[rose dome]

What's the usage rules for Ashvane's period? Every 20 secs on CD? Or pop it start of fight, then pop it with Vendetta every 2 mins... or...? Other trinket is either 410 Lurkers or 425 Kimbul's, if it matters.

[rigid mango]

Post pull, the usage of the two are weird

Apl ignores coral until end and pops with tb

We'll see if it may be used diff

[tribal marlin]

I can't confirm it with sim, but it might be worth using font 10sec before vendetta and then use Coral 10sec after vendetta which should align with TB

[wide python]

my thought is... ^

[rigid mango]

That's what I've been saying

But havn't run numbers, gonna chat w koji when he's done raiding

[night summit]

do i want to use blood on CD or always stack with vend

[wide python]

gotcha. i might hit you up later on that Zine

[rigid mango]

Always w vend

Yeah do so

[spice frost]

Does VoP major proc cause NP to kick in? I have 3 NP 1 DD and 2 TTK in best gear right now and wondering if it might be worth getting all the free NP damage. Haven’t simmed yet, will when I get home but I know the apls are gettin a ton of work rn.

[rigid mango]

Don't use VoP

It's very bad

[spice frost]

Rip

[rigid mango]

It has no minor essentially