i have all but aberration belt
#assassination
lean coral
i also got pufferfish bracers instead of the other one but the sim difference was like 70 so i said fuck it
fallow otter
@lean coral you want the tank belt
lean coral
i have it
solid nova
I was just happy to ditch that mechagon cyclo shit 
lean coral
i want the aberration one tho for when we get there
onyx hedge
omg my sim is so bad right now
i missed like 3 days of playing at the most important time sorta dont want ot show it lkmao
halcyon skiff
do we want 3 nothing personal at all ?
onyx hedge
only rank 1 essences ........ aint been able to get them up
lean coral
i have 1
halcyon skiff
so what should we be stacking now ?
onyx hedge
MonkaS Shameful dps
onyx hedge
3x double dose from what i know, then run 1x blightborne 1x nothing personal and 1x twist the knife
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qjMuopiqjPBJtBUWEnbX9R yall think i go up in dps once i catch up with my essence levels??? Missed a coupel days rip
fallow otter
just sim it
faint harness
of course
lean coral
rank 3 lucid is like a free perma vers buff
onyx hedge
Can you sim what dps you would do wth a rank 3 essence if you dont ahve it? Just got back into wow
lean coral
you missed alot more than 3 days tho
solid nova
The difference between R1 and R3 lucid is huge
lean coral
for all your stuff to be rank 1
lean coral
All Essence IDs
4 Worldvein
5 Focusing Iris
6 Purification Protocol
12 Crucible of Flames (Concentrated Flames)
14 Condensed Life-Force / Guardian of Azeroth
15 Ripple in Space
22 Vision of Perfection
23 Blood of the Enemy
27 Lucid Dreams
28 Unbound Force
32 Conflict and Strife
The 3 in every "4:3" is the rank so change it to "4:2 " for rank 2
azerite_essences_available=4:3/5:3/6:3/12:3/14:3/15:3/22:3/23:3/27:3/28:3/32:3
Copy the string into TopGear here:
https://i.imgur.com/Vf3GsQ5.png
^ lets you sim with all rank 3 essences
solid nova
onyx hedge
so just change the end number to a 3 and we set or???
lean coral
you can just copy paste that line
lean coral
did you replace the line in your sim
onyx hedge
y
SimC Addon 1.12.2
Requires SimulationCraft 820-01 or newer
rogue="Spazynut"
level="120"
race="human"
region="us"
server="amanthul"
role="attack"
professions="alchemy=175/herbalism=175"
talents="2212221"
spec="assassination"
azerite_essences="27:1/300573/5:1"
azerite_essences_available=4:3/5:3/6:3/12:3/14:3/15:3/22:3/23:3/27:3/28:3/32:3
put that line in just like u said
tropic ocean
thats a good thing
onyx hedge
hmm
tropic ocean
need to screenshot what shayyd posted
lean coral
yeah i had that pinned in my guilds discord and my own personal one
onyx hedge
my haste abit higher
prob need to drop some haste and more crit then MA will sim higher
onyx hedge
i did best gear
lean coral
first boss helm is double dose and a ttk i think
onyx hedge
Subterfuge sims higher wiht that then ma without it
yeah i coined it 6 times
nothing
tropic ocean
my stats are way different than yours I have way lower hast and higher crit ๐
onyx hedge
y
tropic ocean
sim keeps telling me more versa/crit
onyx hedge
im trying to drop haste for crit
tropic ocean
i'm at 13 or 14% haste
onyx hedge
see i think if i drop to like 15 haste and then ill be around 28% crit and then get that head from first boss i think ma will sim higher
tropic ocean
you can get a good helm from first boss bod too
if u can bother
im still using that one ๐
lean coral
mastery>crit>vers>haste my weights atm
onyx hedge
eyah i have that 405 tho, cant get a mythic group no one does it anymore
was unlucky with drops on it
night vale
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/p3Xyp6R4WY3vqcxjBpnpFL
Haste simming pretty high for me with Lucid major, any ideas why?
lean coral
whats your total haste
night vale
826
lean coral
ah yeah mines low but i have 1400 haste
onyx hedge
you run MA shaydd?? and waht you simming?
tropic ocean
but snimo does ๐
lean coral
yeah im MA
night vale
i do ๐ and i have pretty high haste about 1.6k
lean coral
i have a sim finishing ill link
was redoing gems since apparently i want mastery
got new rings that had me gem haste and now its saying different in weights
tropic ocean
statweights are all over the place
night vale
well i did a full hc clear and 1st boss mythic and still no loot from new raid xD so im 415 ilvl, but i got like 10 sockets
tropic ocean
well with 430 base you can easily farm socketed ups from m+ now
tribal marlin
We have the chance to not have 1 particular stat way better or way lower than everyone else
civic palm
Dribbler might be pushing Crit higher than normal > _>"
tribal marlin
If you play with the boots it overall give crit more value, but if you play MA / Coral it devalue crit chance.
lean coral
benthic shit is whats carrying my sims
onyx hedge
Aparently Potions of unbridled fury are bettr than sup agil that was sorta the case in bod i think
tropic ocean
maybe related to iris minor
onyx hedge
Aug that 430 font is legit stupid LMAO has to be like 2k dmg
lean coral
but fatter envenoms
civic palm
But w/e is cheapest.
lean coral
so doing it
civic palm
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
tribal marlin
oh yes lucid devalueh aste a lot I heard bout that too
civic palm
Yeah bigtime.
tropic ocean
@onyx hedge the font is kinda nice
lean coral
yeah i also have blood of the enemy giving me a 600 haste proc from its minor
tropic ocean
I just fail it so often because I am used to lurkers bound to vendetta
need to fix my muscle memory for that ๐
onyx hedge
So fucking confused how MA is not siming higher lmao
i need lower haste
and i need to get rid of my head and get bettr weapons and not have shit rng after coining first boss 7 TIMES NOW
lean coral
not sure if its the haste
tall pelican
How much haste is good ?
lean coral
i have more haste than crit atm
civic palm
tropic ocean
as much as your sim tells you
civic palm
_>
empty tide
don't vanish if the behemoth targets you with the mythic mechanic , just a tip 
tall pelican
Under pawn strings ?
tropic ocean
under raidbots.com
lean coral
what happened @empty tide lol
lean coral
shiet
empty tide
but you can solo cloak
onyx hedge
Im shit at this can someone just carry me and gimmy my best dps gear im to lazy rn lmao
ill dm the /simc
lean coral
biggest thing is just the benthic shit tbh
if you look at my shit im wearing 1 piece from new raid
uncut nova
I need to drop crit for mastery
empty tide
glad i finished mine, opened 72 bracers to get the right one
tribal marlin
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iDyCiPRGcPgqAKj9hgJQx8 my stat weight is more blanced than yours it seems XD
spice cloak
where on raidbots do you see the casts etc timeline
lean coral
how dafuq you get enough pearls to upgrade 2 pieces to 425
teach me your pearl ways
wait 3 jesus
lean coral
i didnt
tribal marlin
yes 3 ๐
lean coral
the alts dont help with the upgrade side tho
yeah i just got the gloves today using an alt
tribal marlin
I got lucky with the gambling
lean coral
sitting at 0 pearls tho
cause i just did bracers last night
well like 12
leaving all mine at 420 atm
onyx hedge
What stats are you holding @sullen hearth
empty tide
vers my best stat right now 
tribal marlin
415 440 415
onyx hedge
@sullen hearth i mean like what % stats are you running i know crit best rn im running 24% crit 19% haste 42% mast 4% vers
tribal marlin
Crit is low only when I use MA and BotE. With Subt and/or Lucid it's by far my best stat
lean coral
what stats on the yellow?
empty tide
i fucked up my pearls https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aBpXFw12hEcH8Bm9vAVnoV
cant upgrade bracers atm
tribal marlin
mmmh crit and haste
onyx hedge
40k still da fuq
tribal marlin
Gorak'tul il carrying the sims
sullen hearth
@onyx hedge oh Im 29% crit , 16% hast 5% vers 38% matery
empty tide
gotta love some blightborne action
tribal marlin
won almost 1.1k with it
onyx hedge
tribal marlin
tbh I wasted 20k residuum for 430 gorak tul (I didn't have 420's one)
onyx hedge
im acutally pissed my character is so shit right now
tribal marlin
I feel like it's worth it tbh
sullen hearth
@empty tide I feel like undulating tides is a trap
empty tide
ye, im kinda getting a feel of whats up with this trait
its a pretty good defensive tool tho
halcyon skiff
is 3x twist the knife vialble at all ?
empty tide
depending on what you have, Ttk is not bad
and know that we pretty much envenom all fight
tribal marlin
if you feint it's big dmg he did every like 30sec you should be able to stay above 50%
onyx hedge
is someone able to sim my character or some shit becuase clearly im doing something really fking wrong
empty tide
ttk is geetting some value
sullen hearth
@tribal marlin you are very right about that
lean coral
worth id say
tropic ocean
@onyx hedge just do multiple top gear sims
to compare all stuff unless u have premium
onyx hedge
I think my guild has premium @tropic ocean but its fked
tribal marlin
yes especially since dmg from Cyclo is linked to ilvl of the trink
so the higher is the yellow card, the higher the red one's hit
edgy nimbus
I've read the pinned message
How to use Razer Coral trinket?
- For Assa, stack the crit conversion use with Vendetta. Coral also has a great synergy with the Dribbling Inkpod sub 30%.
But i suppose, it's more useful to make a delay between MA buff and using Coral instead of overcapping crit chance. What do you think?
onyx hedge
In my guild one all i do is !raidbots Us/Amanthul/Spazynut my guild discord has premium anyway that i can do topgera within discord at all? @tropic ocean
lean coral
same
onyx hedge
Anyone have premuim for raidbots?
tribal marlin
Yes @lean coral it's because you can't increase ilvl of red punchcard. Only the Yellow card can upgrade its ilvl
lean coral
cant believe i never thought of mass crafting
legit never use the oscilators for anything anyways
tribal marlin
but basically increasing yellow card give way more than just giving a few stats
lean coral
lol my 385 benthic gloves sim higher than my 430 ones
benthic is insane
its only 27dps but still
empty tide
benthic pumping
solid nova
Gloves are a bit squiffy in sims
As the healing isnt accounted for
But still stronk
fallow otter
^
edgy nimbus
Is it more useful to make a delay between MA buff and using Coral instead of overcapping crit chance? It could stack for over 40% additional crit chance
faint harness
if you got the trinket, try sim subterfuge
edgy nimbus
@faint harness thx, i will. Should i use as many SS as i can?
lean coral
I think i just need weapons now to catch up to those 40k sims
faint harness
you dont need to use SS
lean coral
and to finish upgrading my gloves
tropic ocean
the new patch really makes me love rogue more
fallow otter
+1
empty tide
azshara's trinket APL was bugged, using the trinket on the MA vanish window, thats why Sub is simming better
dont know if they fixed yet
onyx hedge
So i know i need to get my essences up but anyone know how i can get from doing this shit dps to simming bettr for MA and actually doing decent dps lmaohttps://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/o6qEfHrvhMjCHMD2WRjHrn
tropic ocean
its decent dps for your ilvl xD
onyx hedge
not really
tropic ocean
it all comes down to traits/essences/sockets/benthic
placid dawn
and trinkets
onyx hedge
yeah and not being like me with shit stats so MA isnt simming higher :I
tropic ocean
loooool
placid dawn
rank 1 essences
empty tide
oh yeah, theres that
placid dawn
cant have rank 3 iris yet
celest mirage
best pre pot for raid?
onyx hedge
yeah not for ss
empty tide
@celest mirage unbridled or focused resolve, gotta sim
onyx hedge
thing is im in a guild right now that is casual and progression takes like the whole teir to get aotc goign to a mythic guild
round harbor
I just now broke 37k, pretty sure there is people in the 41k range for sin sims
onyx hedge
should be able to get bettr gear then
warm mulch
Apply for a guild that does mythic and get better stuff maybe
night vale
do you have much residuum? cause maybe buying the 415 peices would be an upgrade
tropic ocean
for mh just spam underrot/fh whichever u can finish faster
night vale
thats what i did
onyx hedge
mh?
night vale
main hand
round harbor
TD dagger is better than fh
onyx hedge
nvm mind im retarted had a brain fart
empty tide
whos happy that rogue is topping the single target meters and is being used in progression 
nimble tartan
all the daggers basically the same for me
placid dawn
rogue is always used in progression
tropic ocean
dagger stats pretty much dont matter with current stat weight party
so u just farm the dungeon u can clear fastest
round harbor
The ur one is ~80dps over the fh one for me
round harbor
I'm also running subt, ss
nimble tartan
oo
round harbor
That could be it
tropic ocean
nimble tartan
another key no daggies B)
round harbor
It's either as or loyal to the end, so ss it is
And don't tilt me
I've done like 40 keys this week
No dagget
onyx hedge
watch me go in first try and get it ๐
onyx hedge
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/o6qEfHrvhMjCHMD2WRjHrn gonna go farm FH and UR for the daggers must be a dps upgrade with what im using
tropic ocean
a big dps upgrade
celest mirage
how do you sim pre pots? I cant find the option on raidbots
tropic ocean
1 weapon dps point in mh is like 10- dps
@celest mirage u click on options "show more options" and then u can choose
food flask pot etc
onyx hedge
so i have a 415 in mh and 410 of prob a stupid upgrade if i get even a 4530
empty tide
you can choose the pot below your sim
onyx hedge
430*
empty tide
tropic ocean
for oh you want to use socket
royal lantern
somone else has something simelar?
round harbor
Stingers u can sim which dungeons give u the best gear. Use the droptimizer
tropic ocean
so if u have a 390 400 or smth socketed
just put it in oh it will be better than 430 or more
tropic ocean
more like 30-40
night vale
yeah with new gem values and generally higher secondary stat weight
sockets are WAY bigger than they used to be
onyx hedge
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/o6qEfHrvhMjCHMD2WRjHrn have a feeling i shouldnt have upgraded my feet or legs iwthout sockets and legfs without the trait
empty tide
ye, you usually gets a socketed one before upgrading it
tropic ocean
1 point of off hand dps is 1.31 for me
while 1 point of mastery would be 4.51
so 50*4.51
giga
tropic ocean
sockets >> everything
onyx hedge
yeah still im 5 ilvls higher and its like....................................................
night vale
i think
tropic ocean
with benthics and everything 415 socketed
you'll equal to like 430 or more geared character
๐คท
tropic ocean
hes beating me on dps too
and im +11 ilvl so ๐
they really need to change the socket stuff
when I eq 432 ilvl and sim it
im somewhere on 33k
empty tide
the off hand thing depends on your character tbh https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uZxC3hhk5N3tVZ7WV2qEJo
socketed offhand simcing less than 435 no socket
take a look
415 the socketed one
onyx hedge
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hACGMyWPBrxHv7dQ/#fight=4&view=rankings pepehands 91 and wasnt
i wasnt using iris could have been leg parse
onyx hedge
my guild is so casual that im raiding normal first before we go into heroic in prog team...
tropic ocean
the 435 has crit mastery
empty tide
ye, big stats
tropic ocean
if the socketed one had same stats
modest oyster
should i go for bracers after socket boots?
empty tide
go belt
peak saffron
!essence
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
harsh sphinx
loud void
Can anyone tell me their opener for maximum ST ? with cyclotroni blast trinket included
empty tide
bbi still better
versed mica
Wait, Undulating Tides is the best azerite trait for ST now?
wowhead and hero damage are saying it sims ultra high, wtf?
vestal wren
yes
empty tide
im using one, its pretty good
vestal wren
but it has a downside
empty tide
and have a good defensive as well
vestal wren
if you drop to low it loses a lot of value
golden relic
the shit procs all the time man
tropic ocean
I mean it only sims ~150 dps more than 3 dd so
golden relic
hardly worth during mythic progress
versed mica
So it's like bargin in a sense except the downside isn't "as" bad, subjectively.
tropic ocean
and for individual 1 is e.g. worse than dd or np
golden relic
I mean i get if it was like TC in BOD, but 50% like its so bad for that reason
empty tide
45s of no proc if you drop below 50% health
tropic ocean
so i wouldnt take it at all
as in a real fight scenario its worse than np/dd
especially in progress
versed mica
Yeah, I could see how it would be a major dps loss if you get under 50% health
empty tide
on radiance its below 50% health every 15s lmao
the explosion its like 70% of your health everytime
empty tide
ye 45s
tropic ocean
which just makes it completely useless
versed mica
Unless you're god tier at mechanics ๐ค
empty tide
unnavoidable dmg will get you below 50% on every progress fight on this raid
onyx hedge
how u get rank 3 iris?/
empty tide
m+ weekly chest
onyx hedge
100% drop rat eor ?
empty tide
you need 15 items to upgrade, and you get 5 if you do a 10
you get more for doing high dung levels
i got 8 this week doing a 15
versed mica
Interesting, according to herodamage sims, Undulating Tides is like the best thing ever for outlaw, even if you get locked out of the buff a lot. Is it bc outlaw has more apm than sin?
empty tide
it procs like crazy, so maybe yeah
faint harness
inflated value in sim tho
winter moss
what i dont get, haste keeps dropping due to memory of lucid dreams, it starts to seem sus to me 
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aNJhmAyyrQ9mAhDxXf241m
faint harness
drop below 50% and it wont do anything for 45 seconds
versed mica
sus?
winter moss
suspicious
faint harness
suspicious 
empty tide
its insane how much envenoms we doing know with lucid
vestal wren
it kinda is
empty tide
envenom is 20% of our dmg now
winter moss
double on use is 
versed mica
Either way, I wish blizzard hadn't made haste determine the speed of the spec
I hate feeling starved
vestal wren
thats why ttk is fairly strong in the azerite chart on st
empty tide
ye ttk is getting some pretty good value this tier on ST
critted a 110k envenom today on openner
using 1xTTK
onyx hedge
bruv i done 2 weeks on normal heroic first boss and rolled 7 times and no loot
winter moss
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8gzStBvofTbvmJk2hKcLUK wdym mut not even close
tropic ocean
which just feels great
tropic ocean
well @winter moss for me mut is my top dps in sim as well
but in the fights its not
like envenom is far on top for me in wcl
winter moss
dont have proper logs
winter moss
regeared abit gotta look out tonight
tropic ocean
but mutilate is like way low compared to in sim
winter moss
i think so too
winter moss
gotta farm bote r3 then 
winter moss
well the minor is awesome tho
tropic ocean
as 2nd minor?
tropic ocean
idk i feel like iris 2nd minor will still be very good on st
as it just has 100% uptime
and makes u be able to dump even more haste
winter moss
tropic ocean
lucid minor
winter moss
life force is just nuts
winter moss
nuts
tropic ocean
wv minor probably if you can have a good uptime e.g. everyone using it
but for my raid i'll just stick to iris minor since
winter moss
idk wv is not worth it for melees
empty tide
ye, we already using on raid everyone
winter moss
imo
tropic ocean
they are movement imbeciles
winter moss
id take iris over wv all the time
empty tide
the lvl3 condensed flame dot maybe
winter moss
WV is somewhat inflated, you can have fight with ZERO uptime literally
tropic ocean
press 1 spell every 4 sec or smth and u never lose stacks
zenith gust
Lifeforce sims welll only at rank 3. Any rank under that sims like shit to me
tropic ocean
@zenith gust y lucid r1 is better than life force r2
but once we got r3
GIGA
r2->r3 almost doubles dps
winter moss
aus what stats you play on pure st
empty tide
the r3 minor is just outta this world
winter moss
what does the sim tell you
empty tide
5% free extra dmg
tropic ocean
rn I have 28% ish crit 40% ish mastery 14% ish haste or smth
and sim tells me mastery>crit>haste>versa
tropic ocean
need to switch my versa navigation to masterful again
winter moss
that im not doing the wrong thing here
tropic ocean
winter moss
it's like 600g on my realm
winter moss
wanna know how many gems i bought this week?
tropic ocean
basically carrying 20 crit/mastery gem and 5 of each enchant with me at all times
winter moss
paying my gm for enchants
tropic ocean
empty tide
my best stats atm is vers
empty tide
vers->crit->mast>haste
tropic ocean
and once I unlock r3 lucid it will devalue my versa more I guess
winter moss
went from 25% crit 20%haste 47% mastery to 33%ish crit 16% haste 42% mastery in a course over 35 gems and 13 enchants
in the last 8 days
tropic ocean
yeah
and crit is still good for me
i basically started using m+ items for st
since it told me crit crit crit bro
empty tide
you mean the azshara trinket
winter moss
seli was right tho
tropic ocean
yeah
winter moss
low haste high crit
empty tide
ye, i think im the only one in the world that still doesnt have the trinket
tropic ocean
well the op carries
and lucid ofc
I really wished minor slots would stack
major lucid 2x minor lucid
100apm assa rogue
night vale
hmmm, if evenoms doing giga dmg now... does master poisoner start to become relevant? probably not right
winter moss
it's still behind
tropic ocean
it doesn't increase envenom dmg no?
winter moss
not anymore
tropic ocean
we need legion feint, master alchemist and vial
winter moss
surge
tropic ocean
๐ข
winter moss
tropic ocean
old feint and vial was so good
whenever I did something bad I was like np
I can cover it
tropic ocean
it carried me a lot in legion
tropic ocean
can u believe I cleared 9/11 mythic
in legion without weak aura
and tellmewhen rotationhelper ๐
winter moss
actually i had somuch double information on my screen in antorus
that i deleted my wtf folder
only got 1 wa
tropic ocean
same my interface was awful
i overbuffed nightstalker ruptures all the time
cuz I had no clue and refreshed in pandemic
winter moss
tropic ocean
๐
tropic ocean
i feel like mine is still too messy but since I switched to premade sin set and mizerok helped me with changing some individual stuff
it got better
winter moss
and since addonskins disabled the wa support and i just covered it with omnicc some double numbers on buttons /was
when i built my interface i started from 0
made everything pixel perfect
"done"
then just added wa's
until i snapped and deleted wtf again
night vale
When addonskins disables support I made my own borders in WA for each icon... took a while
tropic ocean
i had a similar problem with double counts omnicc/wa but its easy fixed
by few clicks in weak aura setup for the wa
for sin the best thing I found so far is a multi rupture garrote tracker with target names
glad horizon
am i supposed to delay bote by 30s to line it up with vendetta?
royal lantern
yes
glad horizon
ty
strange python
how do jc rings work
can i equip 2 440's?
or does it have to be 1 425 1 440
maybe even just 1 ๐ข
dark crag
Old and new works
strange python
Am I the only one having problems with stat weights. Everytime I sim they keep changing back and forth. At this point I'm just going to keep stack critical strike
solid nova
You can equip new and old
strange python
With gems enchants erc
tropic ocean
@strange python sim top gear
solid nova
@strange python Just use top gear
tropic ocean
obviously stat weights change when you change gear
solid nova
too slow
tropic ocean
and stat weights dont account for that so
stat weight tells u mastery best so u socket all mastery
but while socketing mastery mastery will get worse as you increase it
and stat weights dont account for it
strange python
Got it. So in mainly sim top gear. Should I make sure to choose all stats while when I comes to gems/enchants on the iterations?
tropic ocean
it will be the most accurate so yeah
but unless you have premium you will need to do it in several sims to sim all of your stuff vs each other
(the sim will also take longer the more stuff you add)
strange python
Got it.
That's what I've been doing I should probably just break down and get premium. I'm constantly re simming due to lack of sufficient iterations
tropic ocean
if you can you should get premium yeha, especially rn as you change gear regularly its really good
if you don't want to/can't get it I usually just sim all gems
then all enchants
etc
dark crag
I sim topgear and use statweights for a raw estimate later
strange python
^that what I usually do. I was just confusing myself cause I would put the gems/enchants on and then stat weights would change. Thinking tonkuch into it
To much
broken meteor
Is the cyclotronic blast punch card still way better then a 1.2k Haste proc punchcard? raidbots only has the 686 proc for the haste so i can't sim it properly x.x
strange python
When you guys sim is anyone else getting mastery as the preferred gem/enchant? I always though you would want to stack crit or hate, but apparently top gear is telling me mastery
naive ridge
Hey, Do any1 have good aura for razor coral? on wago.io half of them are bugged and not working good
naive ridge
thank u
narrow orchid
So for raid assa is the better spec in general right
are the guides updated on what traits i should be running as assa for raid environment
tall geode
vestal wren
many classes/specs have their bis in m+
granite rampart
problem? not really because assassination is performing quite well. inconvenient, yes.
vestal wren
assassination is peforming to well, but thats a diffrent discussion
(also not as a suprise tho)
lean turret
is it worth saving residuum for a mythic piece or better to jsut get the 430 ones for 9k?
in the early weeks
granite rampart
i think they only point in buying 430 pieces is if you want to be able to trade loot from heroic. so if you arent in a guild that really needs to worry about splits and gearsharing, then i would just save for mythic piece
faint harness
just gotta splash out the 350 pearls from 415 - 430 
vestal wren
e.g. the chest is rly good for subtlety as it offers tfd + nv and opens up other slots
granite rampart
the azerite from the raid is pretty good for sub in general, sucks that assassination is just soooo far ahead of it
vestal wren
its actually not ^^
granite rampart
the azerite, or assassination?
vestal wren
azerite for sub is quite bad from raid
faint harness
you can get very good azerite from first 3 bosses for assassination ๐
granite rampart
shoulders from radiance arent good, at least the helm from abyssal commander and chest from blackwater are wearable if you get them early.
vestal wren
first boss mythic offers a good piece, and will probably be "doable"
tropic ocean
@faint harness ????
granite rampart
but neither shoulders from the raid from heroic sim better than my 420 gorak tul
grim cedar
What's the quickest way to rank 2 blood of the enemy? Just keep spamming bgs?
faint harness
the difference between cephalohide and blackwater chest is about 100 dps
strange python
Man I can't even find a decent group to get rank 1 lol
faint harness
only need 4 others
signal salmon
Huehue
tropic ocean
Rn we have 3 in raid including mine so
signal salmon
Does this new azerite trait will be the popular meta pick for all classes?
granite rampart
i sim with 4 other loyal to the ends and radiance shoulders still arent better than 420 gorak tuls. but blackwater chest from heroic sims higher than cephalohide 420
faint harness
you will have 4 loyal to the end
tropic ocean
I guess loyal is worth it from a raid perspective though
If afflock wears it as well
faint harness
i mean its not even simming someone dying with it
faint harness
dw, there will be more than 4 using it
tropic ocean
Theres some reason method is using it
strange python
Does anyone else have mastery gems/enchants simming higher then crit and haste?
faint harness
cus its a really good progress trait
signal salmon
@strange python isn't it 1-3%difference?
strange python
Okay.....just making sure I'm not the only one. It's my highest weight and I know it's not our best stat
Yea something like that. But the mastery gems and enchants are simming almost 200 higher than the crit ones I have atm
signal salmon
If u know this why did u sim
atomic saddle
What number is BotE in /simc?
signal salmon
Joke
strange python
Lolol just making sure I didn't eff something up somewhere
real bay
I can see mastery sim higher if you have coral like everything your gear matters
signal salmon
@strange python I mean, ur Sim show u mastery as a top Stat, but u said u know it isnt
So why u are usin Sim if u don't need it
Are u
iron heath
Can anyone help me understand this
Canโt figure out which entrance I need
Enchants*
tropic ocean
like we had some occasions where ppl just failed to use sim properly so y not ask if you are unsure ๐คท๐ฟโโ๏ธ
faint harness
@granite rampart Unless i'm missing something, how do you magically gain 250 dps difference compared to me
tropic ocean
@iron heath sim top gear and tick all enchants
hardy carbon
Hi guys, can system shock debuff be removed by using cloak?
iron heath
I dont understand stat weights
strange python
@tropic ocean exactly. The preconceived notion is that as sin you want crit and haste...just trying to confirm that it's okay to stack the mastery. I know what the sims says about the stat weights but I always like to find out if other rogues are having the same siniliarities
tropic ocean
currently stat weights can be anything reall
Really
It comes down a lot zo essences traits etc
signal salmon
Finally u said it
real bay
lucid drops haste value
tropic ocean
we saw anything here from versa top to haste top
trinkets essences traits and these new mecha ring combos just impact it so much
strange python
Yea I have lucid atm. Been trying to catch up. I want bote but can't get into a decent group. Keep getting crushed in island pvp
tropic ocean
you shouldnt worry too much
tropic ocean
as bote wont be best major anymore when you get life force
atomic saddle
Can anyone pls tell me real quick what number the BotE essence has when you type /simc?
real bay
raid a few weeks and you'll have raid essence
tropic ocean
It was good if u grinded r3 early
real bay
by far the best unless they nerf it
tropic ocean
23 @atomic saddle
signal salmon
Iris minor?
tropic ocean
world vein or iris will be great as 2n minor
strange python
Ah forgot aboutburis
signal salmon
Bote third better minor as I saw yesterday
signal salmon
And I guess depends wich lvl it is
iron heath
Whatโs an essence ID?
vestal wren
the id that represents the essence
runic mango
Hey guys, heard u talking about the Ashvane's Razor Coral trinket, here's me testing it with 100 stacks + Azshara's Font of Power https://clips.twitch.tv/FastFurtiveRavenDatBoi
cobalt pelican
when you're making a big dps vid and the target dummy parries your envenom : (
vivid crystal
i have been srcrolling and checking pins like a manic but coulnd find my awnser so either i need glasses or my english just sucks, my apologies if this has been asked a million times, when do i use cycloblast in my opener ty in advance
?
cobalt pelican
the pin is in the general channel
vivid crystal
isee ill check that ty
vocal ginkgo
!essences
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
atomic saddle
How do I sim for stat weights with items that I dont have in my bags? E.g. Azerite pieces? Where do I copy the string with bonus ids and stuff?
atomic saddle
and how do I copy items strings set in gear compare?
to sim them with stat weights
cosmic pier
nah you just search em in gear compare
why would you need the stat weights for gear you dont have?
seems kinda pointless
heady tusk
is subterfuge best talent for m+ even if you dont have any SS trait?
atomic saddle
because I wanna know where the journey is going with my stats when I have the right traits+guardian essence
vestal wren
@tropic ocean you can use topgear for azerite combination, it offers a simpler interface
strange python
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
junior hawk
Maybe a bit off-topic, I don't know. But which ring would you use?
atomic saddle
the two you have equipped, for m+
for singletarget you should sim if the second or third is better, depends on haste value
tropic ocean
@vestal wren ?
vestal wren
look at #wow-general you dont need to use numberal/textual imput to sim essences
junior hawk
Ok, good. Thank you!
vestal wren
raidbots has an interface for it in top gear
hot snow
Can someone have a look over my logs and let me know why I'm dropping dps hard?
winter moss
give me some moments please
atomic saddle
Can anyone else explain how to import an azerite Item i don't have into the /simc text to sim stat weights with that item?
winter moss
does this make any sense to you?
vestal wren
you probably should have used more then 1 color for arrows
winter moss
you basically wanna open like: gar, mut, rup, vendetta, vanish, tb, mut til 4+, env
placid dawn
also, you sometimes have way to long time inbetween toxic blades
winter moss
basically you already overcap 1cp 7 second into the fight
placid dawn
you went from 2.20 to 3.08 without a single tb(looking at 60% heroic behemoth parse)
hot snow
I think I need to fix internet first. I've been getting some tearing/lag. not sure which happened
placid dawn
on lust window aswell
winter moss
your bleed uptime is generally good, but try to aim for 95% or even higher if possible
hot snow
Tonight I was mid fight everyone froze but whirlwinds and shit were still going?
winter moss
you had 12 out of 18 possible TB casts
you didnt use your racial
0 out of 4
off hand enchant would help (atleast on gorgonzola fight)
and 17% of cps *by toxic blade generated vanished into thin air (overcapped)
atomic saddle
Is there any way to replace my existing chest in /simc with a chest I dont have? I get some IDs from wowhead but I cant find the Ilvl and the Bonus IDs
hot snow
So overcapping largely, not enough tb use and bleed uptime
hot snow
could be better though
molten mirage
does anyone have a WA for lucid major essence or font of power trinket?
winter moss
@stable walrus you still can use it for the basics without clicking through various tabs
stable walrus
You sure? Cuz i plugged my logs in and it said everything was fine, even the minor stuff were things like 0.9 energy wasted
Meanwhile warcraftlogs parse: ||24||
New to the class + going in blind to raids = cant be good
cold meteor
why my APL is mut rup mut gar ? ๐ค
simple meteor
yeah I use that to 
tropic ocean
critting 2 mutilate >>> 1
solid nova
steady grotto
Is there a specific time to use belf racial or just use when feeling starved?? Also is it in gcd?? I literally never use it atm :pepeclown-1:
cobalt pelican
it is on the gcd and ideally use it the first global you can't cast anything
wa9t that's probably wrong
LOL
man it's been too long
marble elm
Just get it on cd when you wonโt waste energy tbh
Any arcane torrent min maxing is gonna be so minimal
Unless itโs actually for the dispel
short stratus
@atomic saddle Go to the Azerit Item you want on WoWHead, click on Links in the right corner and copy the "SimulationCraft" String and just paste it into Raidbots, then it will pop up in your Gear options and you can sim with it
steady grotto
Okie I'll try weave some in next raid ty
crystal vault
i guess thats not the right play, pre pull better right?
0:03:015
Use Item Azsharas Font Of Power
Fluffy Pillow
upbeat geode
jok, i tend to use it before i refresh my first garrote, the quicker its on cooldown the better
marble elm
Use prepull write โbfa.font_of_power_precombat_channel=4โ in the custom apl box @crystal vault
mint kindle
Can someone tell me the right way to farm Benthic armor? Just buy 385s & keep rolling for gems for boots, wrist & waist, then upgrade them?
solid nova
Yes
upbeat geode
and do that on all your alts too
mint kindle
Thanks. Any part I should begin with?
hollow junco
boots, then bracers, then whatever else
upbeat geode
you can send over unopened ones to your main
mint kindle
save pearls on main? cba playing my alts tbh
Yeah I figured
But is there something even better to spend pearls on?
That I should save for
hollow junco
ranks of lucid dream essence
frank sentinel
if you're alts are already 120 definitely recommend using them to feed main to save you a lot of time, it's a lot of gambling
hollow junco
rank 2 is is 25 iirc, rank 3 is 50 pearls
mint kindle
Isn't rank 2 6000 exp on followers?
upbeat geode
starting the zone gives quite a few pearls, so its good to do even if you dont want to farm dailies on alts
atomic saddle
@short stratus I still cant set the itemlevel to above 385, sadly
mint kindle
I see, thanks a lot
frank sentinel
yup starting zone + emissary of 25 pearls will give you 70-80 per character easily
mint kindle
I should probably get boots, upgrade them then bracers etc., right?
upbeat geode
keep rolling for boots with socket, and once you get that you can start looking what else you want
getting those boots might take a while
placid dawn
lucky
winter moss
cmon lady gaga not everyone has as much time as you
winter moss
maybe your 4 sockets will keep you going
tropic ocean
@frank sentinel which emmisaryyou talk about
frank sentinel
unschackled emissaries can give 25 pearls
strange python
Those 4 sockets will have been far better than your meat dress
frank sentinel
so that's a value timeframe to do alt farming for pearls
frank sentinel
we have ours on NA just now going away
quasi pewter
eu horde had pearls once a few days ago
strange python
What azerite traits do you guys run in raid.
proven talon
is there a list anywhere of absolute bis base ilvl pieces
strange python
I changed mine to 3 DD and NP
tropic ocean
strange python
Bloodmallet too
tropic ocean
but the more accurate thing is to topgear sim your gear
strange python
Always sim. Sim is god
bronze kelp
hate those overpowered sockets
im in a state where I got 415 equipped and 429 max gear ... but due to 9 sockets, everything is worse than what I got
lament dove
way to make good ilevel parses
bronze kelp
as im not raiding, wayne. but for m+ its kinda shitty, cause I lack stamina
so I guess I need to downgrade my dmg for more survivability so do high keys :/
severe bough
Yeah im gonna grind parses for this 2-4 weeks
Considering guild swapping after getting benched for an objectively worse rogue
placid dawn
maybe that rogue does the mechanics while you go for parses :v
bronze kelp
for rings I need freaking 35 ilvl to get an upgrade oO
astral tangle
Ravenholdt states for the opener:
Garrote > Mut > Rup > Mut > Vend/Trinket > Van > Tb > Env > Mut > Ennv
However, sims are telling me..
Mut > Rup > Mut > Garrote > Vend/Trinket > Tb > Van > Env > Mut > Env
Annyone got direction on which is best?
lament dove
I still use 385 socketed Mother ring for m+ it has so much crit:)
solid nova
The guide just hasnt been updated to reflect this
karmic galleon
is the ashvane trinket really so far ahead of the others as stated in blood mallet ?
solid nova
Sims great for me
keen verge
@astral tangle sims opener ftw
karmic galleon
how are you supposed to use though, i.e in m+ most adds die before I can even reactivate it for crit, and yet its simming higher in dungeon slice aswell
astral tangle
You don't want to use it on multitarget of you have other options
karmic galleon
it also sends the mechagon trink (channeling one) into cd, should I stop using that aswell?
astral tangle
I'm currently using Font, and Coral.
karmic galleon
I focus on M+ though, i hardly got coral. not sure if I would ever go for font.
atleast not until its easy on heroics, so pugs dont mess it up xD
twilit portal
Just drop and bentic outplay this, but still good for m+
golden bobcat
anyone have tips for using ashvane trinket just got it
astral tangle
Use it in opener, use it on 2nd vend, and then activate it again as soon as you can to build stacks for 3rd vend @golden bobcat
twilit portal
tropic ocean
wow gz
astral tangle
Don't
karmic galleon
what to replace it with then?
sonic spindle
Ive been horrible managing that trinket.
astral tangle
I was trying to figure out how to make a WA to better track. Don't know how though
sonic spindle
I think my problem is tracking it too tbh
modest zodiac
tbh i am so far behind in this patch that even when reading the pins i dont even understand what i am wring....
astral tangle
It would need to track coral when there is no debuff on the boss, and off cd. So you know to turn it back on after the 2nd vend
cobalt pelican
the only wa with coral you realistically need is one for when it's not applied to anything
sullen sphinx
Is there a way to sim for essence ranks I donโt have? I only have rank 1 BOTE and it sims like 2k less than lucid r2 major. Donโt wanna put the time to keel farming honor if lucid is ways gonna be my best major
modest zodiac
I don't get it, I thought benthic gear was meant for alts, how come they're bis in some slots? ๐ฎ
astral tangle
@sullen sphinx change it in the simc script
sonic spindle
@modest zodiac some of the bonuses are strong in the raid when paired with a socket
modest zodiac
oh and scent of blood is now bis, nice
cobalt pelican
because they are easily fishable for sockets and their affixes aren't a part of their item budget
modest zodiac
Ah, but benthic doesn't drop from raids, only world mobs and shop right ?
sullen sphinx
@astral tangle thanks
golden bobcat
ty
sonic spindle
Yea, theyโre fairly easy to gamble at 5 pearls each
modest zodiac
Ah so according to the pin:
"But what Benthic gear should I get?"
Boots: Crit damage
Waist: 2% damage to aberrations (Orgozoa and Za'qul)
Wrist: Frost damage
i should gamble on these 3
sonic spindle
Yea, and you want a socket ideally
rigid mango
You don't upgrade without a socket.
modest zodiac
Yeah I gotcha
cobalt pelican
keep and sim when socketed: ori's wrist, fathomstalker wraps, vim's belt, poen's gloves, akanas shoes
and keep an aberration belt around socketed or not
modest zodiac
Also... how did scent of blood become so good? I thought dd, cov , ss and vendetta were always a lot better
cobalt pelican
idk where you got the idea scent of blood was bis for anything
rigid mango
yes?
modest zodiac
Scent of blood is marked in reds o i thought it were good ๐
astral tangle
I'm 700 mana pearls deep with no sockets on my benthic geat so I'm upgrading the non-socketed ones. Especially since 415 non-socketed are better than my 445 crit/vets brackets, and 440 crit/haste boots.
astral tangle
That trinket is not cap
bronze kelp
galecallers might be not that good as it sims, depening if you can get the full duration of the trinket or not
(movement bosses)
astral tangle
You're behind, focus on your rep for flying, ap, and benthic gear.
Prepare to play a lot everyday
summer marten
hmm, why no benthic gloves too?
astral tangle
The 50 dps will not make or break him in the raid if he can play well
bronze kelp
its not even +40
modest zodiac
@bronze kelp get haste instead of crit ?
bronze kelp
sim it
astral tangle
Sim yourself
bronze kelp
you seem also to have a shitload of mastery
bronze kelp
get yourself some statweights to see what you should aim for
modest zodiac
yeah i do that
astral tangle
You don't really want haste anymore
bronze kelp
but never forget, with every gear peice you change -> sim again
modest zodiac
i get the stat weights from raidbots and paste them
modest zodiac
( Pawn: v1: "stabmybone - Assassination - Patchwerk (Raidbots)": Class=Rogue, Spec=Assassination, Agility=2.51, CritRating=3.53, HasteRating=3.16, MasteryRating=3.23, Versatility=3.09, Dps=12.89, OffHandDps=1.20 )
bronze kelp
or do top gear sims for comparing them directly
astral tangle
^
modest zodiac
crit seems to be best for me atm
astral tangle
Stat weights at kind of pointless
bronze kelp
@winter moss so people dont have enough iterations to do huge sims
astral tangle
Considering 1 piece of gear can dramatically change them.
bronze kelp
if you wanna reconsider your whole gear
winter moss
if you need to reconsider you whole gear every sim
bronze kelp
not every
winter moss
you should reconsider if you dont switch to hots
bronze kelp
but i also wrote that he can use top gear sims