assassination

[rigid mango]

anywhere

[meager nebula]

most of what we saw were the performance of the original essences

[rigid mango]

Aye

I mean atm every essence that seems good, has a drawback one way or the other

Just the question if it's viable dps wise to take that drawback and maybe play around it?

or if it's better to take the lower variance ones

[sudden brook]

bleh

[rigid mango]

Bleh indeed

[fleet whale]

Lucid Dream has potential

[rigid mango]

Probably is just that tbh

As boring as it is

[warm harbor]

I reckon lucid dream will be fun as

[fleet whale]

idk if it's really that boring for assassin

it looks like it adds some reactive play to the spec

[warm harbor]

flooded with energy for almost 100% of your vendetta will be tasty

[rigid mango]

Major looks fine

Minor looks boring

[fleet whale]

anything that increases APM for sin is not boring imo

plus it might let us drop vigor

[warm harbor]

yeah agreed, i think both major and minor will be intereting to play around with on ST

[rigid mango]

Idk, I'd rather keep sin as the slow, methodical preplanning spec that it is atm

I'd just like to see more than just

Keeping on pressing my buttons just a bit faster

3 NP perfection seems very good too

[fleet whale]

i would welcome the change of pace, honestly sitting on so many empty globals can get tiresome, especially for a spec with a 1.0 gcd

[warm harbor]

vision will be nuts for 3xNP, only issue is how it will kinda throw off line up with vanish

[rigid mango]

Very much so

3np ss might become better

[rustic onyx]

NP doesn't proc full anymore on the proc

[rigid mango]

Just screw it all

[rustic onyx]

it's only like 6 sec of NP

[rigid mango]

It doesn't?

Rip that then

[rustic onyx]

not on ptr atm

no

[rigid mango]

Lucid it is

[rustic onyx]

testing some assa/outlaw shit

[rigid mango]

Fucking lame

[warm harbor]

6 seconds of NP is still nothing to laugh at

[rustic onyx]

for me it was 50 k dmg

with 3 np

[rigid mango]

+- tb?

[rustic onyx]

i mean the 6 NP proc

did 50 k dmg

[rigid mango]

Yeah

But was it with or w out tb

[warm harbor]

would've been w/o

[rigid mango]

Cuz this is the question with this shit

[rustic onyx]

Unsure honestly i'm testing outlaw right now

this was like 1 hour ago

[fleet whale]

tb isn't gonna be up all the time when this procs though

[rigid mango]

Being if holding tb becomes more worth

[rustic onyx]

when i saw 6 sec proc i just swapped to outlaw lul

[rigid mango]

Exactly

I know this

Just the question of whether it's worthwhile or not, I doubt it though

And with that build vanish n vend are so scuffed

[rustic onyx]

Pty sure the lucid dreaming will be better for assa

[rigid mango]

Either you play ss and just fuck the timers up so hard it doesn't matter

Or you play ma and align them anyways

And play w/out a minor

[fleet whale]

is lucid dreaming on the gcd, cause if it is that opener will feel very clunky

[rigid mango]

Lucid dreaming here we come

[warm harbor]

I feel you would pop lucid after the influx of energy of vendetta is over, so wouldnt that clunky

[rigid mango]

Now it's just a question of with lucid dreaming if DS is better

[warm harbor]

but still a lost global during ven

[fleet whale]

F the GCD change

[rigid mango]

DS is just bad for assa tho

Feels giga awk to play

[fleet whale]

i mean, if we get a healthy amount of energy influx from Dreaming

it might not feel as awkward

[rigid mango]

That's not the issue

It's how assa is

It's awk to get to that CP

[fleet whale]

idk, you could argue vigor is awkward due to how many wasted cps you get

[rigid mango]

I don't really think that's comparable tbh

[fleet whale]

and DS increases finisher damage regardless

[rigid mango]

Maybe just haste chunking a bit and going both lucid and vigor

Issue is just that DS is bad to play with

With vigor and lucid

• regular haste stackinf

I'd guess 3 env tb's are standard now

[warm harbor]

if you run the unbound force minor for ST encounters then thatll greatly help your energy regen making DS more viable

[rigid mango]

Like I said, less about energy regen

And more that DS is an awk talent to play w for sin

5-6 is far worse than 4-5

[warm harbor]

why?

[fleet whale]

i wouldn't mid using Vigor with Dreaming, just speculating if DS could be used

[rigid mango]

Imagine every tb window atleast 2 builders not even with good rng

[fleet whale]

and DS worked just fine for Sin in EN

[rigid mango]

Sure, but it's still a good spot for sin to be in finisher wise esp with tb

I think just goinf decent haste w decent energy regen and getting very consistant tb windows

Might just end up better

I hate doing feelycraft

Gimme numbers pls

[warm harbor]

mods said sims would be out before the patch

[rigid mango]

[fleet whale]

gonna grind out Lucid Dream when 8.2 hits

[rigid mango]

I'm gonna grind sims

[warm harbor]

would be amazing if both DS and vigor were viable

player choice

[rigid mango]

I'd prefer more essences too

Or just essences instead or talents

But idk

M+ also just seens giga braindead

Go blood ez pez there u go

[fleet whale]

i doubt dreaming will be taken in M+

[rigid mango]

Crit in m+ just seems too good

Even tho I don't think 3 eb is gonna be the meta

That crit for even just 2 eb

[warm harbor]

I think if EB stays as it is then Blood of the enemy is just too good

[rigid mango]

Yep

Looks kinda fun to play tho

Ngl

[warm harbor]

Lucid's value drops off super quick the second there is more than 2 targets

[rigid mango]

I'm more interested in the other traits

Outside of eb

1 ss, 1-2 eb

Minimum

Just heavy ttk and an np?

[warm harbor]

I think the TTK build is gonna continue so that prio dmg is gonna be centre stage again

[rigid mango]

Probs

That's what I'm hoping anyways

[fleet whale]

i feel like my 2x SS, 2x EB, and 2x TTK build should still be viable

[rigid mango]

Np sounds good if minibosses are hard

[warm harbor]

nelfs will want to take 2xSS 2xEB 2xTTK as a cookie cutter i think

[rigid mango]

Idk

I'll just aim for 3ttk probs

[warm harbor]

wowhead article mentioned that mini-bosses are currently even with the new enemy counter tuning, not worth going for

[rigid mango]

Yeah I meant the beguiling dudes

If they're aids like

[fleet whale]

well, you don't fight the void one

[rigid mango]

You have to

Someplaces

[warm harbor]

nah you dont

oh that im not sure of

[rigid mango]

Uhh yes

[fleet whale]

Preach said it was really inefficient to kill one

[rigid mango]

Like

[warm harbor]

but i believe its designed to make it so that you should always think about skipping them

[rigid mango]

There's one in the dervishes

In tos

Some are there certain weeks

[warm harbor]

sheesh thats gonna be aids

[rigid mango]

With the intention of being taken

Ssme like

[fleet whale]

idk how that's gonna go with melee heavy comps then

[rigid mango]

You know miniboss after 1st boss shrine?

One there

Seemingly

[warm harbor]

but they have 10x the health of a normal mob yeah?

[rigid mango]

So that you can't do the skip

Uhh

Dunno about exact numbers ngl

They just got hard nerfed

So

Void hp chunked by 35%, cast time up 1 sec

It doesn't look as bad as it was when flawless was testing it

[warm harbor]

guess will find out soon enough

[rigid mango]

We'll have to wait and see ig

[warm harbor]

damn thinking of running the minor for unbound force and vision with major of blood of the enemy in m+ and you stack mastery/vers will lead to some stupidly high aoe dmg if you line the major up with when unbounds minor procs

[uncut maple]

Which Azerite combo is usually best for Mestrah's shoulders? Double Dose/Treacherous/Gutripper?

[celest swan]

hey, whats the PBE expeirence on aszhara bosses for melees

better then in BoD?

[warm harbor]

@uncut maple for ST yes, and if you're lacking crit unstable may perform slightly better than GR

@celest swan preach said that it isnt too bad for melee this time around expect for one boss

[tribal marlin]

fck that shit

NP bug with Vision still not fixed ....

[bronze kelp]

what bug @tribal marlin ?

[tribal marlin]

If you slot vision of perfection on the PTR, it will prevent standards vendetta cast to proc NP.

[bronze kelp]

lol rip

[tribal marlin]

I thought the bug would have been fixed with the hotifx but no

so I can't test efficiently this essence for now :/

[bronze kelp]

just spam them with reports

[tribal marlin]

I did but it's a bug that appear few weeks ago and still not fixed

(it appears when they make so that vision don't proc full NP duration)

[bronze kelp]

hm... reminds me of the SS bug, where your 4th garrote eliminated the dmg bonus of the first 3

also took some time to be fixed :/

[tribal marlin]

at least we could (and did) use the trait

this bug make the essence unusable

[bronze kelp]

thats true ^^

[uncut maple]

@warm harbor Treacherous seems risky though, that's what most ppl use with the Mestrah Shoulders?

[warm harbor]

Yeah you get no Value from EB in raids (most of the time)

[tropic ocean]

Treachorous shouldnt be risky at all like theres not really much times where you are sub 60% health

Just check some logs for uptime

[pale dew]

^

[tropic ocean]

And for moments where you take some dmg you can just help with vial to get back up fast

[uncut maple]

true

What sim programs do you guys use these days? What's the most accurate? There seems to be tons of em now

[strange python]

Afaik most people use simcraft

[tribal marlin]

Lucid dream post-buff looks strong

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/grTqJpGvcCfabM4x/#fight=2&type=damage-done

[celest swan]

u say but casue of cd chaging+ versa down or ist before the versa nerf?

[blazing pumice]

@uncut maple All of them are based on simcraft. Most people use raidbots.com

[tribal marlin]

it's post versa nerf with it's cd at 2mn

I'm using when hitting 0 energy during vendetta

[celest swan]

i would be so happy is blood essence wont be our first or second essnece

cba farming 50k honor -.-

[tropic ocean]

Cba farming neck essence everything 🙄

[tribal marlin]

For what I tested, there are stronger essence than Blood of the enemy

it's passiv still is pretty good

[tropic ocean]

Just from reading the one that spawns the guardian reads very good for st

[tribal marlin]

yes it is

but it got nerfed recently

sadly

[tropic ocean]

And for m+ i‘d suppose you‘ll use the one use big dps one

Fire channel 120k dmg or smth

[tribal marlin]

I don't know I focused only on ST

I tested a bit of Vision beside it being bugged

I don't understand the proc chance but it sucks

sometime it proc 3 time between 2 regular vendetta

somtime it just doesn't proc at all for 2mn

Probably good for cheesing logs but definitly not a variance you want for M prog

[lime path]

anyone know the name of the shroud of concealment weakaura that countsdown when it's about to fade

[solid nova]

https://wago.io/S17rjKruX

@lime path This?

[west cove]

hey guys just returning after being away since February. Looking forward to 8.2 what are the thoughts on Outlaw v Assa for M+ and raiding?

[winter moss]

want an objective or an subjective answer?

either way: sin for raiding will always be good

outlaw gets some slight change to their aoe trait

we gotta test how the new affix plays out

both are viable and healthy picks

[bronze kelp]

yes, choose one and master it 😉 or take both and master both XD

[west cove]

i used to know my way round assa pretty well 😛

[winter moss]

well it hasnt changed much since february

[west cove]

I see outlaw is FoTM atm, but getting some aoe nerfs

[winter moss]

well, no

slight adjustment

but outlaw is fotm because of the affix

[lime path]

@solid nova thanks

[west cove]

@winter moss cheers

[winter moss]

you're welcome

[lime path]

what will replace reaping as the season 3 affix

[solid nova]

@lime path https://www.wowhead.com/news=292179/season-3-mythic-affix-beguiling-details-and-information

[lime path]

Ty again, Richard

yikes

say what you will about reaping, at least you can mongobongo aoe pad it down

that one looks like it will require actual effort

[winter moss]

random person in rh disc
mongobongo
cry bc new affix
games to hard, you gotta focus 3 diffrent types of mobs

[lime path]

I didn't say it would be hard

I'm not crying lmao

I just think it will be funny in pugs

[cobalt gyro]

Gonna be an annoying affix, for sure, especially with the effects it'll have on pugs

[bronze kelp]

first weeks with pugs are maybe terrible

[lime path]

It's going to be comedy gold

[cobalt gyro]

Considering there's healer that still don't dispel the tank with reaping

I wouldn't say first weeks only

[bronze kelp]

maybe one complete affix cycle ^^

[red saddle]

!azerite

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Azerite Season 2 changes: https://bit.ly/2U86I7o

[bleak spoke]

Maybe every other seasonal affix is good

[winter moss]

pugs always are special things especially in rang from weekly 10 to 15

noone bats an eye about mechanics

but complaining about an affix because it actually requires some brain and combined effort to come around is just a plain dense mindset

but afaik you can play around 2 of 3 mobs easily

[cobalt gyro]

It's more that it's not really fun

[winter moss]

that one looks like it will require actual effort

[lime path]

making an observation = complaining?

you're making a lot of assumptions bud

chill out

[cobalt gyro]

You can make a thing require effort and make it fun

[winter moss]

well fun is very subjective

isnt it

[cobalt gyro]

I checked a few of the dungeons on ptr where i could, and like, some pulls are going to be completely awful to play

[lime path]

the knockback one looks funny

only melee attacks or can you knock it back from range?

[cobalt gyro]

Shrine by first boss had an enchanttress, you can assume that will be each of the three some weeks

[strange python]

Does one guy just have to be the knockback boi

[cobalt gyro]

If it's tides, you can't really play that pull

[winter moss]

even with the release candidate on ptr now, still doesnt mean it will come to servers like this, first week will be tuned again so we will phases where the affix burns souls like the fel machine and weeks where the affix is just non existent

[lime path]

is it fixed knockback?

or will a harder hit knock back further

[cobalt gyro]

It's a small knockback per hit

[lime path]

white dmg too?

dot ticks/bleeds too? or nah

[cobalt gyro]

Didn't try dotting it but i can't imagine it will work if you dot it

[lime path]

doesn't seem like it would to me either

just curious

did you confirm if white dmg did tho?

[bleak spoke]

Nah it doesn’t

Friend tested a lock

The dots don’t knock back

[cobalt gyro]

Don't see why white damage wouldn't

[bleak spoke]

But I think it does keep it in combat so it disappears

[strange python]

I'll get relegated to knockback boi

[bleak spoke]

White damage does

[lime path]

looks like my feral will finally have a reason to exist

1.0s attack speed

[cobalt gyro]

Are you ready to have to pull a voidboi right at the top of the stairs before priestess

[bleak spoke]

I was flurrying between the knocker and the mobs I was supposed to fight in an underrot but with sin you probs stand in place and fok

[lime path]

voidboi the line of sight one?

[bleak spoke]

The circle isn’t big enough to need it to be focused directly I don’t think

[red saddle]

i think the voidboys are placed carefully, only reason they exist is to change your route

[bleak spoke]

Like I was hitting mobs out of the reflect is what I mean

[strange python]

Oh, press fok? I have that down

[cobalt gyro]

They're definitely not

Void right at top of atal stairs doesn't change your route

[lime path]

what are the chances of them bugging out, ya think?

[cobalt gyro]

Cause you have to do that pack anyway

[bleak spoke]

It just makes you play a void guy

[cobalt gyro]

Yep

Which wastes 30+ seconds

[bleak spoke]

Very high I expect them to fall through floors in Tol ez

[cobalt gyro]

We'll get to see how many walls are actually walls

[lime path]

I wonder, if two knockbackbois are relatively close to each other in a small place like AD, think it would be viable to do a double pull and have 1 guy keep knocking both back for 30s?

[cobalt gyro]

Depends on the pull

[red saddle]

there a more than one stair in atal, which one do you mean?

[bleak spoke]

You need all the dps to do big pulls usually

[lime path]

well if you can FoK spam

[bleak spoke]

The one in front of priestess with the fire probs

[lime path]

and knock back with FoK

[cobalt gyro]

The one in front of priestess

[bleak spoke]

That’s the only one you play mobs coming up from

[cobalt gyro]

That you have to play

[bleak spoke]

With the proximity of the stairs potentially changing the pull at all

[red saddle]

mhm ok, that sucks

[cobalt gyro]

If there's an emissary there you have to play it first

No way can you do that pull without being able to kick

[lime path]

emissary where the poison hulk bois are seems annoying

[tropic ocean]

https://prnt.sc/o4te5b

assa > outlaw confirmed

[candid needle]

[deft escarp]

@tropic ocean how about no? 😄

[tropic ocean]

wheres your 170m DMG bruuuu 😛

[deft escarp]

gimme sec Ill try to find a 200+ one

Im sry I dont have one -.- so u're right 😃

[tropic ocean]

😄

[lime path]

anyone do any PTR testing of the new potions?

trying to see if it's worth stockpiling Winter's Kiss to sell or not

[rotund mural]

@tropic ocean That's right mate! \m/

[vast forum]

how are 2 outlaws doing less than 30k each?

[rotund mural]

it's total damage for the entire dungeon

but when we pulled reaping they were near 100k, i was above it 😛

3eb ftw

[last zephyr]

i had 250k dps at reaping as assa FeelsGoodMan

[tribal marlin]

funny that the total dps is exactly 100.0k

[worldly iron]

yeah wulf, that's what he meant, it's surprising that they're so low

[lusty gale]

There is no way in the world that assa with even 3ebs wins in overall

3eb is just pad, I dont understand why u want to have 3eb when u have outlaw rogues in group even two of them

[tribal marlin]

No I meant, it's 100.00k total dps xD so that % of dps equal actual dps.

[rigid mango]

Wdym @lusty gale

Assa does more dmg than outlaw

[stuck knoll]

Yeah if you chain it really long

[lusty gale]

In overall? U kiddin

[stuck knoll]

Outlaw just runs out

No

[rigid mango]

No?

Lol.

Ronkles and i are flat even

[vast forum]

depends on duration of pull tbh

pulls*

[stuck knoll]

You beat me FH and I beat you SoB

[rigid mango]

Just about pulla

Yep

[lusty gale]

Just pull boss with reap n don't wait for restealth :)

[stuck knoll]

Depends on how things get pulled

[visual mesa]

SoB overall xd

[rigid mango]

We did spotter shit

And I couldn't ever restealth

[stuck knoll]

Also the healer getting flattened

[rigid mango]

U missed a reap in fh tho

[lusty gale]

What was ur overalls in fh

[rigid mango]

I beat him

By 4k

My dude

Assa has a higher dps ceiling

Than outlaw

[lusty gale]

What key was it, how big were the pulls

[rigid mango]

Dude, just don't even argue about it

[stuck knoll]

It would've been closer but I missed a pull and reaping

But like

He's not wrong

[rigid mango]

It's legit down to pulls

Assa can do more dmg than outlaw for sure

[stuck knoll]

If tank pulls around flurry charges outlaw can go off

[lusty gale]

I mean ye of course it's down to pulls

[rigid mango]

Yeah

[stuck knoll]

But if it's constant

[rigid mango]

So don't say

[stuck knoll]

You run outta gas

[lusty gale]

But the way it's been played rn

[rigid mango]

?

Like

Dude, assa has unlimited aoe

Outlaw is limited

[lusty gale]

What

In what way

[rigid mango]

To bf stacks?

Assa has nothing like that

Just fok

[lusty gale]

Ok what kind of health do mobs need to have to actually reach that ceiling

[rigid mango]

Let's put it like this

If you play properly and give assas restealths

They do more dmg

Assa is way more reliant on pull timings

Not chain pulling

Outlaw doesn't matter for it, it just matters when you can bf or not

[lusty gale]

But as mentioned for time efficiency u wanna pull fast and prolly chain pull quite often.

[rigid mango]

Or just wait .5 sec for the assa to restealth

Ur healer to drini

Drink*

And then pull again

[lusty gale]

3eb is overkill anyhow when u have second outlaw rogue imo

[rigid mango]

You mean double outlaw and assa?

Yeah no shit

It's not the best for your comp

But will give you best numbers probs

The reason outlaw is betyer

Is thanks to the utility

At minmaxed gear, assa is really up there dps wise

[ripe nimbus]

Has anyone messed around with a lucid dream/venom rush build on PTR seems like it could be good. All Dem muts and envenoms lol

[rigid mango]

Doubt that venom rush'll be better tbh

We have a lack of good assa's that want to TC in NA

Most are EU

[lusty gale]

I just wanna compare the numbers to be convinced

[rigid mango]

It's really hard to compare numbers

Every run is gonna be different in one way or another

Every person wont play the spec optimally

You can't sim it

[lusty gale]

Of course but there is somewhat avg

That u hit most of the time

[rigid mango]

I'd say i out dps every outlaw I've played with apart from Ronkles

Him and I are flat even

That doesn't say much, because pug outlaws

[vast forum]

we should do a run sometime, zine

[rigid mango]

We shoulD

[vast forum]

i could also play assa in one as well

[rigid mango]

Could 3 rogue his FH key some time

[lusty gale]

Ye I never lost to assa before but then again I don't think we were playing around restealth so

[rigid mango]

yeah

Assa is also wayyy harder to play perfectly

And when done so, out dps's outlaw

[lusty gale]

That's why I wanted to hear what ur overalls

[vast forum]

it also depends how you pull tbh

[rigid mango]

Very much so

Like

[vast forum]

i did a +15 FH this week with a good prot warr and i did 55k overall even tho we wiped 2 times due to overpulling

or actually, not overpulling but not waiting for healer to drink

[rigid mango]

Every run is going to have some random thing that increased or lowered the damage you did

[lusty gale]

It always matters how u pull even for outlaw

[vast forum]

what lvl is your FH?

[rigid mango]

For sure, but I'd say it matters more for sin

uhh, think it's an 18?

[vast forum]

nice

big deaths to eudora shots and first boss 😄

[rigid mango]

I can't remember, we fucked about and did his key(s) yesterday

In the end

Even If I beat an outlaw by a small ish amounmt

They might've outvalued me through the sheer utility they bring to every dungeon

[stuck knoll]

18 yeah

[vast forum]

i mean, iron wire is pretty fuckin useful

[rigid mango]

It is

but pray stun in rotation

gouge

vanish without losing dps

[vast forum]

depending on keylvl, it could be more valuable than gouge

[rigid mango]

Yah

[vast forum]

and vanish is only good to drop aggro in some dungeons 😛

[rigid mango]

I'd say in general, outlaw value is considerably higher

[vast forum]

i wouldn't say considerably

utility-wise, slightly higher

dps-wise, also slightly higher

[rigid mango]

I'd say it's enough to make them the better spec for an average dungeon

[vast forum]

so overall, somewhat more than slightly higher 😄

[rigid mango]

idd

[tribal marlin]

55k dps xD, I probably pull out around 200T dps on diablo

[vast forum]

xD

[lusty gale]

55k dps overall?

[vast forum]

yea

[deft escarp]

ooof

[rigid mango]

In a low key with a good group it's an achievable number

[vast forum]

yea, teeming tyrannical

[lusty gale]

I was so confused, I somehow thought u were talking about war

[vast forum]

no, we had a good war that could pull a lot

[rigid mango]

Both of them did 55k

[vast forum]

nah

only i did 55k

[rigid mango]

no?

[vast forum]

other outlaw did 48k i think

[lusty gale]

LMAO war will never deal that much

[vast forum]

i just said that to point out that we could pull 3 grps at a time

[lusty gale]

There are limits to clapping

[vast forum]

i mean, if outlaws delete 3 packs in 20 seconds

[rigid mango]

Just like to outlaw

[vast forum]

you don't get to clap enough

[rigid mango]

Would you look at that

[lusty gale]

The highest I've seen war do in dungeon is 33k

[rigid mango]

This is becoming very #wow-general

[vast forum]

what? we're talking about outlaw dps in assa channel xD

[rigid mango]

And now prot

[tropic ocean]

@lusty gale

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/tMoid1CUEzEzeFOZL2SJbCfjSYcXhJz_xkqQlBiCX8g/https/image.prntscr.com/image/-s51qWQNScWYW9LPKNobuA.png

With giga pulls

[lusty gale]

Ty

What key is that perhaps?

[rigid mango]

FH or ML probs

[tropic ocean]

Think it was underrot iirc

But with teeming

Like you can really push it if you focus on padding most keys will end up in the 35-45k range

[rigid mango]

I'd say most keys I see low 40k

[tropic ocean]

🤔

[rigid mango]

in push keys, average dps

[tropic ocean]

Think depends on key lvl

If you do 24s 25s

It wont be as hard to do overall 50ks

Especially with this week affix

[sullen pagoda]

this week is pad heaven

[lusty gale]

Idk I guess my opinion is skewed cuz I haven't really seen good assa rogues

[solid nova]

Haven't seen good sin rogues, wdym

[rigid mango]

[lusty gale]

This is probably "highest" key I've done with assa and ye wasn't found of his dmg

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/BFNyMnV4JaXLkr3p#fight=1&type=damage-done&pins=2%24Off%24%23244F4B%24expression%24ability.id NOT IN (263193, 263197, 263198)&start=30799&end=1776946

[sullen pagoda]

@lusty gale btw ive seen war do insane dmg in dungeons

their problem is no utility compared to rogue not damage

[rigid mango]

Was that filter?

[lusty gale]

That prolly means just that dps aren't doing their jobs

Filter for canons

[sullen pagoda]

ye looks like r word is too harsh for rh

[rigid mango]

R word big bad

[solid nova]

Its ToS for partnered servers.

[lusty gale]

Or do u mean link filter

[solid nova]

No, he means discord filter.

[lusty gale]

Oh didn't even notice

[rigid mango]

There's a word filter enforced by Discord ToS from being partnered

[sullen pagoda]

jesus

[lusty gale]

I see

[sullen pagoda]

SJW hits everything

[rigid mango]

Discord is worse than tiwtch

[solid nova]

#announcements and #off-topic

[lusty gale]

So what's the build then for assa in m+

Cuz I still don't like how 3eb sounds like

[rigid mango]

3 eb/ttk 2 eb/ttk 1 ss

[valid spoke]

Lately i've been hearing different approaches in regards of the ST opener for assa - what is regarded as the "correct" one, and does anyone know which one is used in the sims? ♿

[rigid mango]

Would say 3 eb is better this week unless you alck ST dmg

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

[rigid mango]

they're in ther @valid spoke

[valid spoke]

I've read that yeah

[rigid mango]

So then you know

?

They're the correct ones.

[valid spoke]

Heard one of the method rogues opening with Mutilate

[rigid mango]

Just use those

They're the correct ones

[valid spoke]

Hahaha

[rigid mango]

I really don't see the issue

[lusty gale]

Isn't it better to tb before vanish

[rigid mango]

It's riskier

Afaik

APL uses that one, it's most consistant ones

that will consistantly give you the best outcome

[distant lava]

Go big or go home zine

[rigid mango]

I'd rather consitantly do well 👌

[vestal wren]

unless you do sth stupid you can vary your skill order in opener quite a bit and have no dps impact

[valid spoke]

If you're at 4 cp when you're about to vanish/tb you do tb before vanish yeah?

Or in what way do you mean? @vestal wren

[vestal wren]

a lot of ppl promoted diffrent opener in here

and every time i checked them they where no win over what simc did

the majority of times it was about equal in output

so unless you do sth stupid like delaying vendetta you wont see a change in output

[sullen pagoda]

just crit 4Head

[valid spoke]

Alright, cheers

[ripe nimbus]

I open with poison knife master assassin

[lusty gale]

I open up by applying my poisions

Cuz I never play this spec anymore

[hollow stone]

Gotta wait til your deadly poison hits 5 stacks or you waste env poison procs 👀

[strange python]

Hey guys, question: Ravenholdt-Guide says "Vanish paired up with vendetta" & "Vendetta on cool down" ← after my initial opener rotation, when Vendetta will be the first time off cooldown after use, my vanish will have about 20sec cd left. Should I wait with vendetta to line it up with vanish or should I just smash Vendetta and let my vanish sit about 1 1/2 min until I can pair it up smoothly with my Vendetta again?

[stuck knoll]

Wait with vendetta for vanish unless it would cause you to miss a vendetta in the fight

[vast forum]

or just play MA 😛

[strange python]

I'm still new to rogue and still playing around with talents and stuff, just wanted to clear this in my head first, thank you to both of you 🙂

[velvet elm]

How are essences looking atm? They were nerfing/buffing them constantly so I haven't been keeping a track

@hollow stone literally nothing in the pins. Asking people what they think about the essences, I don't need a sim

[rigid mango]

It's literally about it though

We have none

When there is, there'll be something

[ripe nimbus]

I have loads of opinions dont speak for me sir!

[rigid mango]

Do share them

With numbers

that is

[ripe nimbus]

Well in my opinion with the AP neck changes no one's getting 55 for like one or two months so in my opinion sins best trait for the foreseeable future will be lucid dream. At least for ST anyways also in my opinion blizz is dumb for making it take so long to get first minor slot because half the fun is mixin major and minor traits

But that's just my opinion

Numbers arnt opinions btw xD

[tropic ocean]

think the very high progress players will just 24/7 island

[rigid mango]

opinions backed up with numbers

[quartz dew]

at no point did they claim it was an informed opinion

[rigid mango]

ty 4 inpuit

[tropic ocean]

don't use opinions too much, feelycraft squad will pop up

[rigid mango]

I'd love opinions

based on numbers they've gotten

[tropic ocean]

MikihisaToday at 9:07 AM
I don't know I focused only on ST
I tested a bit of Vision beside it being bugged
I don't understand the proc chance but it sucks
sometime it proc 3 time between 2 regular vendetta
somtime it just doesn't proc at all for 2mn
Probably good for cheesing logs but definitly not a variance you want for M prog

^

[ripe nimbus]

It would still be impossible spamming islands non stop it's something like 200k ap a week to get 55 before mythic release

[tropic ocean]

https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/SGFumBkzC21IrGe9ryV6Ux6maaG3JVg_VofMgAaI3uE/https/pbs.twimg.com/media/D9euJtpWsAEs_ew.jpg%3Alarge

it just comes down to how much you're willing to invest

[ripe nimbus]

Nobody is gonna do 1500 islands lol

[tropic ocean]

we will see about taht

that*

[thorn edge]

Hey guys I know it’s end of this season, but it might apply to next... was wondering what our more theory-crafting members think of BBI as an M+ talent vs EB. I know raidbots sims are skewed toward SS for M+... trying to gauge how different say pustoleers is vs gorak assuming I ultimately only run 1 SS.

[rigid mango]

bbi is good

but ttk eb ss are just better

for the most part

more so ttk and eb

[thorn edge]

Is it a huge diff?

(Also thx Zine)

[tropic ocean]

gorak tuls has no eb

[rigid mango]

Just comes down to waht you want

He's comparing pistoleers and goraks

^^^

Like

The crit is nice and all, but the value you get from 1 eb is greated

greater*

and the value you'd get from playing around more ttk's is probably better too

[thorn edge]

What about on Tyr week’s where more ST is the case

[rigid mango]

hm

[tropic ocean]

it doesn't really matter

tyran or fortified you still spend most of your time in dungeon killing trash

[rigid mango]

^

[tropic ocean]

Personally I remove 1 eb in tos/kr tyran and use ss/np instead

[thorn edge]

True. Thx Ausgelebt

Gotcha

[tropic ocean]

think seli used 3 eb 2 ttk 1 ss in 23 kr

[rigid mango]

3 eb?

[tropic ocean]

and 3 ss 3 eb in tyran

[distant lava]

Iirc in the 24 they did he had 3 ss 1 eb and one ttk

Nit sure about the ttk

[thorn edge]

Yeah. I have goggles + gorak + vestments... was trying to decide if I should buy pistol or ceph

[distant lava]

And 1bbi&

[tropic ocean]

in 24 he did 3 eb 2 ttk 1 ss

but it was fortified

https://raider.io/mythic-plus-runs/season-bfa-2/12878115-24-kings-rest

[thorn edge]

Yeah fort - def 3eb

[tropic ocean]

in his best timed tyran he used 3 ss 3 eb

but thats 2 month ago so might be not as accurate

[thorn edge]

Was there a sig change to SS to warrant it no longer viable

[rigid mango]

in the KR that he did the other day

[thorn edge]

(ie running 3)

[rigid mango]

he went 3 ss 1 eb 1 ttk 1 bbi

so

[tropic ocean]

in which?

[rigid mango]

Bbi is probably ok for KR/ToS

kr

24

[tropic ocean]

no

[rigid mango]

Yes

[tropic ocean]

u can check it on rio no?

[rigid mango]

I've litearlly got it up on my screen

He did it 3 days ago dude

I watched it on stream

So did dj

[distant lava]

Thx for backing me up zine

[tropic ocean]

https://prnt.sc/o4x9p8

so this is incorrect?

[rigid mango]

R.io

is incorrect

http://prntscr.com/o4x9y4

Which one is correct

[distant lava]

Shit mb ill delete

[tropic ocean]

thats pretty sad then

[rigid mango]

The website that's known to be inacurrate or his livestream

[tropic ocean]

if it doesn't save the correct information

[rigid mango]

It's never done

It's very iffy

When it comes to setups

[tropic ocean]

obivously the stream is correct like

dont need to argue like a mongo tho

[rigid mango]

uh huh

[thorn edge]

What about KR24 makes 3xSS viable?

Or more specifically, ideal

[tropic ocean]

its good for short st fights

[rigid mango]

In any KR 3SS is good tbh

[tropic ocean]

and low target count adds

[rigid mango]

You never have that many adds bar reaping and one room

[tropic ocean]

and since you dont have big packs in kr its probably superior to eb

[rigid mango]

If you're dealing with packs that are ~3 ish per pack

then SS is at its peak value

• last boss SS is very good

[thorn edge]

Ahh. But the trash in KR gen has more HP... I thought SS value diminishes with fight time

[tropic ocean]

it does

but its still superior on multitarget

the only trait that beats it multitarget is eb, but not on 3 or 4 mobs

[rigid mango]

The damage from SS is still NUTS

When you consistantly hit 3-4 targets

[thorn edge]

True

[rigid mango]

It's way better than EB

[thorn edge]

Thx... sorry to question - trying to learn more

[rigid mango]

Good questions

KR and possibly ToS running 2+ ss is quite good

I don't really do so for any other dungeon tbh

[hollow stone]

That breakdown makes me sick

[tropic ocean]

3 ss 2 eb 1 np in tos lets go

[lusty gale]

Is there any dungeon where youd go ma?lol

[vast forum]

no

[distant lava]

in the mdi

one chinese rogue went full with his build

it was in shrine iirc (but don't do that it's bad)

[lusty gale]

Can't remember exactly but at the start of 8.1 I think eb was doing insnane shit with ma, right?

[strange python]

which crafting profs are best for 8.2 do you think

lw/jc?

for raiding

[civic palm]

JC is even more expensive in 8.2

[strange python]

true

i guess the only other option is engi

[civic palm]

or alch etc.

There are options.

[stuck knoll]

When EB first came out it was insanely overtuned

Didn't even make it to eu though

[fresh ginkgo]

Oh yes freshly released EB on zul

[strange python]

do we know what ilvl drops from m+ in season 3?

is there a chart

[distant lava]

430

for +10s

won't be that high until mythic week tho

[hollow stone]

Didnt they lower it to 420?

[distant lava]

Idk from what I could find they didn't, I just assumed tho taht they would do the same as season 1 and 2, which is heroic Ilvl

[hollow stone]

Yea. Im not sure either. I just remember reading something that m+ gear would be 10 below what it has been. Dunno if that was on ptr or if it was datamined or what :/

[distant lava]

the one thing I found is someone saying chest ilvl will be 5 lower but that's not a blue post so idk if I can trust it

[vital haven]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/42EA33z4yUSLKYfzraQE2SEeJUql_d_0pQJ2T7GbxKc/https/i.imgur.com/inJasHU.png

vision of perfection essence with 3 NP

that is while vendetta is on cd btw

[civic palm]

Time?

[vital haven]

original post said 2 mins between vendettas

[balmy cradle]

I have a question about the essence of lucid dreams maybe one of you has tested it. If you pull bloodlust, vendetta with np and a haste trinket like galecaller ontop of the essence, is there any way to dump our energy? Or is it like fullcapped all the time then?

Assuming you have the essence as major and minor

[deft escarp]

I havent tested it, but I guess its wasted to use everything together

[icy ember]

that is insane cornholi

but i guess the bufftimes of everything is going up, AR, NP

[tropic ocean]

3 ss 3 eb is

super padddddddd

i like

[crystal pilot]

does anyone have an exact answer to how vendetta is affected by vision of perfection when slotted as a major?

[rigid mango]

Seems as on PTR now it's just giving a 6 sec proc of np

And a vend proc too, ofc

[crystal pilot]

does it proc on your target? or just give us a fuckton of energy randomly?

[rigid mango]

That, I don't know

I doubt it's going to be picked regardless

Since they removed giving a full 20 sec NP, I don't see it being competitive with the others

[crystal pilot]

i suspect it will be lucid dreams for raid and conflict and strife for m+

smoke bomb gonna be op against the emissaries

[rigid mango]

Think blood is gonna be best for m+

Crit's just nutty with EB, aslong as you're running 2 I'd assume it's worth while pumping blood dmg

[civic palm]

Smoke Bomb isn't the PVP talent from Strife anymore either.

Unless it was changed back.

[crystal pilot]

since when?

[civic palm]

Weeks?

2-3

[crystal pilot]

oof, you're right, its manuverability

[civic palm]

Which is still good, but not great.

[crystal pilot]

pretty terrible for m+

[rigid mango]

Idd

[crystal pilot]

only a few places where it could get some real usage, so blood is definitely the pick for m+

[rigid mango]

I honestly just think blood's gonna be go to every time

Which is sad

But fun

But sad

[ripe nimbus]

I bet ur all wrong xD

[rigid mango]

So what do you bet then.

[ripe nimbus]

I just told u my bet

[rigid mango]

I can't remember it

If it was smth about lucid dream, I can see it on ST but not in m+

[civic palm]

No his bet is that you're wrong > _>"

[rigid mango]

[hollow stone]

I bet somebody's right...

[wooden flax]

Isn't that the true with WoW these days in general? @rigid mango

creates tons, only few are good, so everyone picks them anyways

and leaves some dead traits, talents, and now essenses

[rigid mango]

Yeah so?

It's lame and I was hoping for better

[ripe nimbus]

Complaining about something that's not even a fact yet feelscomplainman

[rigid mango]

I just assume that's how it's gonna be

I mean there's nearly always one best alternative

I'm just a bit sad it's the one that seems to be best for raid

And with how many moving pieces assa has for m+, I can only hope that they don't make 1 trait a must in every scenario, and that you have free pickings depending on the situation

Maybe another one, one could hope for 3, but who knows.

[crystal pilot]

anyone done any content with Hidden Blades?

I'm running 2x EB so I figured i'd give it a try, was just curious about the overall

[rigid mango]

It's not worth it

Even with 3eb it's doing less than PB

[crystal pilot]

figured as much, i use eb on any more than two targets so it doesnt seem like it would get a chance to build stacks

[rigid mango]

You should be using at 2 too

[ripe nimbus]

I remember when I told everyone at the start of BFA that HB was crap and the PB was the go to and everyone disagreed with me.. where u fkers at now

[rigid mango]

But not always

[ripe nimbus]

Fight me

[rigid mango]

It's betyer at dealing damage but less effective at building CP

So you muti at 0-2 cp, fok at 3 and finish at 4-5

HB is crap

Even with 3EB the damage isn't as good as PB

And PB is more valuable low target dmg and not just braindead pad

[distant lava]

seli explained it well on stream the other day

[rigid mango]

What, hb?

[distant lava]

yeah why PB is better than HB

[rigid mango]

It just deals less dmg in the end

[ripe nimbus]

I explained it at the start of BFA search it up lol

[rigid mango]

He's proven it several times

Explained what

Like, I couldn't care less about some call from ages ago

[crisp hollow]

what makes CT worse than PB now?

[civic palm]

Less damage and you would rather be pressing FoK.

[crisp hollow]

oh cool

i hated the playstyle so im kinda glad

[rigid mango]

Yeah

[crisp hollow]

I shouldn’t feel obligated to use TB as much as possible in M+ right?

feels rare that i get one target to pump envenom into

[rigid mango]

Only when you're gonna be using envenoms

You should be quite often

At 1-4 targets or 5+ if there's a prio target to kill first

[crisp hollow]

but if i’m setting up ruptures for energy gen, doesn’t that keep me off the prio target early?

[rigid mango]

You set them up first yeah

[hollow stone]

All depends on the key level. If mobs are dying by the time youre moving to your prio phase (after 5 bleeds), then youre doing keys that are too easy and youd be right

[rigid mango]

But after that you're fine

[hollow stone]

We use prio loosely too. It could also be interpreted as switching to that high hp mob on bolstering weeks, for example

Not always referring to that mob that HAS TO die asap

[crisp hollow]

ahh that makes more sense

[deft escarp]

maintaining rupture on 3 targets was right?

[hollow stone]

5 bleeds = energy neutral

Rupts or garrs

[deft escarp]

ok thanks

[crisp hollow]

should I be garrotting on CD outside of the SS opener

[hollow stone]

Typically its advised not to but i do sometimes, probably poor play thi

Tho*

[crisp hollow]

is that due to the energy cost?

[hollow stone]

Yea

Energy cost per dmg done and cp generated is bad on garr

*in m+ setting

[deft escarp]

so when ss garrote fell of in m+ u wont apply it during this fight?

[hollow stone]

Typically, no

[deft escarp]

ok

[rigid mango]

You do rups instead

[pearl pagoda]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[wooden flax]

might be a stupid question, is there faster way to update weakaura? Or do I have to delete old, and import new every time?

[civic palm]

IIRC they have their own manager program but I do not know how functional it is.

[pearl pagoda]

i logged on today and all of my weak auras and my mouse profile was gone, and i was getting tutorial messages in game like i was a new character feelsbadman

[wooden flax]

basically just check weakaura every once in a while, like ElvUi

it's not too bad, just wondering is there is automated way 😄

[civic palm]

Their manager thing might automate it like other addon managers, don't know 100%.

[ripe nimbus]

The weak aura compainon is great it updates all ur weak auras

https://weakauras.wtf/

[civic palm]

Just make your own and they're always updated. :3

[nimble tartan]

They buffed trinkies bro..

[bleak spoke]

Weren’t you using kimbuls on assa already omr

[glacial jasper]

Think single target will gain some ground in the new season?

[rigid mango]

In what sense?

[shy dust]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[noble wing]

For reaping so I just fan of knives? Do you use finishers orbeat combonpoints?

Or eat**

[rigid mango]

Fok for damage yeah

if you ahve EB's

[noble wing]

Do you use garrote or envenom?

[placid dew]

you mean rupture? 😃 I think env for reaping

[vast forum]

you snipe low hp mobs with rupture for energy

and just spam fok

[noble wing]

Yah rup aorry

[stable plinth]

Anyone played on PTR recently? Is BoTE still really good?

[rigid mango]

No

Not for ST anyways

M+ it still looks pretty good since it's just crit

[stable plinth]

What's looking good now for ST?

Updating PTR rn

[rigid mango]

Lucid

[stable plinth]

oh I think I already played around with that

[rigid mango]

Vision got nerfed

Looking like lucid with just a pretty smooth rotation

QoL but nothing special to play around looks like

@bleak spoke have you checked anything on PTR for assa?

[stable plinth]

Lucid is just the energy regen right

2 min CD

[rigid mango]

Aye

[stable plinth]

Wonder what other major CD we have that is 2 minutes ...

And is limited by energy towards the end

[bleak spoke]

haven't played ptr in like a month

[rigid mango]

😦

I need anyone that's good at the game

to check essences

Everyone's either outlaw or EU

[bleak spoke]

what the eu boys are giga

[rigid mango]

Yeah

but 150 ping?

testing numbers?

[bleak spoke]

bro like

[stable plinth]

What do you need tested

[bleak spoke]

i have a friend who's a frost mage who plays from hong kong

[rigid mango]

idk

[bleak spoke]

and he's actually the best mage in NA

LOL

[rigid mango]

[stable plinth]

Are you talking about henry

[rigid mango]

I'd just like for someone who I know is giga at the game

[bleak spoke]

nah, facts

henry's a warrior now :^)

[rigid mango]

to just do TC stuff for assa

[stable plinth]

Yeah Henry big boi prot

[bleak spoke]

i only got to play with him once but the way he moves through a dungeon is so fkn efficient

[rigid mango]

I look in outlaw and I see the amount of chit chat going on

[bleak spoke]

it's so pleasant

[rigid mango]

I want that too

[stable plinth]

Well outlaw has higher APM

And assassination has one of the lowest of any class

APM correlates to how much people talk

[rigid mango]

I mean

Having 2 giga active and nutty CF's

and 3 shadowblades woh are all active

[stable plinth]

Look at Skyhold Fury channel, they cant shut up about how bad their class is

[rigid mango]

Is the way that they get shit done

They have a bunch of giga players that are active

[bleak spoke]

i think the issue here is that outlaw is giga in dungeons and there's a lot of feelys involved in the gameplay compared to assa where if you sat there you can rpobably work out exactly what is the correct decision

just in raid it's simple and in dungeons it's very very very hard to execute at a high level

so there's not exactly a lot to talk about

other than to say man i wish i could play assa like seli does

[stable plinth]

Seli is a beast

31 too

Dad gamer coming thru

[rigid mango]

Everyone wishes that

[crisp hollow]

idek how to word this question properly but like what is seli doing with that spec to make it perform like he does?

i’m at the point where I don’t understand enough about sin to grasp how good he is

just that my numbers don’t look anywhere close to his

[rigid mango]

He knows to do anyhting and everything

at the right time

He knows how to put assa to the ABSOLUTE LIMIT

And it makes it arguably the most potent dps spec in the game atm

[crisp hollow]

i have so much fun running sin keys but even if I’m doing alright (compared to the rest of the group) it feels like I’m sandbagging compared to my outlaw performance

might just spam sin during offseason to get used to it

[rigid mango]

Yeah, the difference is in the skill floors of the specs

[crisp hollow]

also my setup is not great for M+ statswise

super high haste and crit not much mast or versa

[rigid mango]

He also yeah

has nearly the best gear u can get

[crisp hollow]

really hope keys with new affix are still fun, excited to actually be mythic geared for a push for longer than 3 weeks

[rigid mango]

Yeah

I hope so too

[crisp hollow]

instead of looking longingly at seli’s 40% crit

[rigid mango]

I'd just want a lurkers man

[crisp hollow]

any raid trinkets looking interesting thus far in Palace?

[rigid mango]

Yeah

There's one that looks insane for ST

And 1/2 that look interesting for m+ afaik

go there and scroll down to trinkets

Scratch that, wrong one

https://www.wowhead.com/guides/azsharas-eternal-palace-raid-gear-azerite-armor-boss-loot

[glacial jasper]

Does the vision proc, proc the azerite trait nothing personal

On the trinkets, several of them are looking solid and fun

[jaunty comet]

Is there any way to make a macro where you automatically target the tank and cast Tricks? New to rogue and this is one thing I am trying to do better on as I push myself.

[meager nebula]

it procs NP but its only for the time vendetta is up

[rigid mango]

Yeah, they changed it so you only get 6 sec of NP iirc

[civic palm]

aka ~7 seconds

[rigid mango]

Yeah @jaunty comet there's set focus macros or party1 aka leader macros

[jaunty comet]

nice, tried to search but wasn't sure what all to look for specifically.

[rigid mango]

There're a bunch if you just google it :

[glacial jasper]

@meager nebula ic so the regen and the dot for 6-7 seconds,k

[meager nebula]

correct

[final gazelle]

everyone seems to be uncompromisingly convinced that Outlaw is so much better than Assasination for Mythic+

while i get that Outlaw is tops for AOE

I feel like if you stack Echoing Blades you can do pretty awesome AOE

[rigid mango]

Assa has a higher dps ceiling than outlaw

It can and does deal more damage than outlaw if played correctly

The diff is the skill ceiling is higher too

And playing it perfectly is very hard

[final gazelle]

interesting

i actually find outlaw much harder

[rigid mango]

The value from outlaw however isn't just the raw dmg output, it's also the utility they bring

[final gazelle]

i see

[rigid mango]

Stun in rotation that applies prey, vanish on lower cd without losing dps, gouge

That value is considerable.

One could argue iron wire has higher value in certain situations

[civic palm]

AND I WILL ARGUE IT!!

[rigid mango]

But mastering assa is much harder than people give it, and the diff between being "ok" at both specs is substantial

[final gazelle]

well thanks for the info

that makes me feel a bit better

while i really like the theme of outlaw

and i find it fun

i just feels like it takes a lot of brain cycles and attention paying attention to the roll results and not being energy starved

and making sure blade fury is up at the right time

[rigid mango]

It's far harder to master assa.

I only know of one guy that is actually capable of playing assa on the insane level it can be on and that's seli

Albeit he's one of if not soon the best rogue in m+

Score wise

[final gazelle]

flawless?

[rigid mango]

No, seliathan

Don't look at flawless enough to know tbh

[civic palm]

Weird typo.

[rigid mango]

Seli is just an absolutely insane player, and he can utilise assa to its full potential

[final gazelle]

does selithan have a stream?

[rigid mango]

Aye