Gear
#assassination
tropic ocean
strange python
Raiding for fun? 
tropic ocean
If it wasnt for set rings bad too at least until jaina ring
royal lantern
thats everything you can get
strange python
Isn’t that a Rastakhan shoulder you’re wearing tho?
shell owl
It’s not worth it this late in the tier, but’s it’s the quickest way to get an Ilvl jump early on
tropic ocean
For M+ y
royal lantern
and even then, plumage/dice/gcb are good cus they give so much raw stats
tropic ocean
Theres better one from m+ but i dont have it
sullen pagoda
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/v6L7uEmuzrWc32itg3jgbb actually using that shitty mekka trinket cuz i cant get decent dice/spyglass
all my dungeon trinkets are 400
base
tropic ocean
Its not worth early in the tier too
If you spend same time in m+
Ull be geared better
If you compare time invest
sullen pagoda
its still pure rng at the end of the day cuz hey titanforge
tropic ocean
My lock is 410 and has 3/9 and 30 keys maybe
shell owl
Mythic raiding is 15 ilvls higher at base. I don’t usually get TF that often
sullen pagoda
if u go to my raiderio i got like 50 freeholds done at least and 400 dice
and friend has 415 and 420 dices on alt DH
🤷
tropic ocean
I got 170 fhs
😅
At least ob 1 char
@shell owl still
I have 4 geared twinks with similar gear to rogue
Some not even 1/9m
worldly iron
twinks?
tropic ocean
Alts
worldly iron
ah
tropic ocean
You just get so much stuff by m+ and weekly chest
strange python
I killed two outlaw rogues DPS in a “rogue off” last night in FH 
tropic ocean
Way more than from raid
sullen pagoda
ye[
shell owl
I’m not saying M+ is an effective gearing strategy. I’m saying raiding is more effective per hour spent if you’re killing bosses
tropic ocean
Base ilvl 415 y but 400/405 socket >>> 415
its not
You need to factor in the progress
sullen pagoda
my holy pala is "3/9" mythic with jaina killed, you dont even need to kill rest of bosses for gear progress you get everything from m+
tropic ocean
And the reliance and 19 other pol
royal lantern
m+ is spammable
tropic ocean
Ppl*
royal lantern
and you need a really good guild too get most mythic guilds on farm
like, i will never get mekka/stormwall/jaina on farm with my current guild
tropic ocean
If u join 9/9 guild when raid is on farm y raiding is good
If i spent 529 jaina wipes on m+
Id wear 420+
crisp steppe
i cba farming m+ that much tbh
worldly iron
feels like a weird example, I've done a fair amount of m+ and I'm only 413 on my rogue with a bunch of sockets
tropic ocean
Whats a fair amount?
sullen pagoda
first 8 bosses of BoD are complete joke, even jaina after nerfs is a joke, it doesnt take much to find a guild with it on farm
shell owl
We aren’t talking about repeatability though. Just time invested. 6 hours a week is like 9 keys completed. Depending on how high you go, that’s 9 pieces of loot at 400
tropic ocean
Are you really thinking
6 hours raid time
Is 6 hours?
- roster planning
- food flask crafting
- strats
Not talking about progress
worldly iron
if 529 jaina wipes would push you 5-8 ilvls, my like.. 200, I think it is? dungeons done should have pushed me way past 413
crisp steppe
jaina wipes dont push ur ilvl at all
tropic ocean
Jaina pushed me 0
shell owl
You’re assuming that the time spent doing all of those things is a direct loss in how many M+ you’d do instead
tropic ocean
Cuzz jaina loot is shit
tropic ocean
Idk bregin
Besides stormwall helmet
Theres not much really good stuff to raid for on assa
sullen pagoda
@worldly iron how many sockets you have as 413, just saying 413 doesnt say much
worldly iron
6 iirc
sullen pagoda
thats a decent amount
worldly iron
I mix up what gear have sockets on all the time between all the switching
shell owl
I’ve done 400+ keys this season and I only have 2 sockets
sullen pagoda
i got like 9 as outlaw at ~415
shell owl
Last season I had 8
tropic ocean
Never understood why they removed set pieces
shell owl
Art is hard
tropic ocean
It gave raid value
worldly iron
we should probably move to general
shell owl
This late in the tier these discord’s are all off topic
worldly iron
that's not how it works 
strange python
For raid, may I go this or I switch 1 NP for 1 TC?
tropic ocean
Not sure theres classes that benefit as little as assa from raid gear
Or at least idk
Dou you have other pieces available?
strange python
420? nope
tropic ocean
What other shoulders do you have
strange python
I sim'd it on raid and I got more dps with SS than DD
I know about Blood rite but I can't do anything.. I have bad luck with azerite pieces
tropic ocean
The shoulders are suboptimal but if you dont have anything better
405 gorak/jadefire could be better
But needa sim if you have
simple meteor
does any piece with ss and dd on difrelent rings exist?
simple meteor
damn have so many azerites not a single one has it wanted to go for x2 ss x2np x2 dd
for cabal
vast forum
there's a pvp shoulder with DD/SS/OP
simple meteor
i see
rigid mango
Just looking at logs a lot of people seem to be running similar stuff Yoppa
vast forum
yea i heard 2/2/2 DD/NP/SS is popular
rigid mango
But normally some DD
vast forum
but i'm just asking cuz i have the option to upgrade a pvp chest with ss/np to 415 now
rigid mango
Aye, seeing a lot of variation ngl
rigid mango
I can't actually see a clear favourite
Not a lot of people running only SS and Np though
vast forum
you can't assume every1 has the option to though 😛
vast forum
i generally dislike the SS/NP combo because of massive energy overcap on pull if hero/bl is used
spice surge
Why would you overcap energy lol, the energy gain is identical with dd and ss
visual quartz
I like calling it AoE burst as things have to die. Padding is like shadow priests and afflic locks dotting both bosses on conclave. Padding use to be a bad word, now its just used as a synonym with aoe
sullen pagoda
not really, they still represent pretty different things
padding is going out of your way to deal dmg to something that is not a priority or needed at all
like multidotting ele in last phase on jaina (before nerf), it didnt add single target it was pure pad
granite rampart
@vast forum 3xNP 3xSS i would only say is strong for mythic cabal. reason being is that you get serious uptime on damage buff appx every 2 minutes. it’s possible to have 90% extra damage on all 4 vendettas in that fight. So enhancing your bursts with traits is very powerful.
vast forum
yeah that's why i'm asking
but is it better than for example 2/2/2
@spice surge sorry, i forgot to mention that i mostly played exsg when running 3 SS
granite rampart
I would say yes. although 2/2/2 is also good.
spice surge
Well, theres your issue
If you dont have to be dispelled for crushings dd is probably better, but if you are then ss+np
granite rampart
I ran 3NP 2SS 1DD for my kill that I got rank 6 on. was on pace for rank 1 but unfortunate circumstances led to me being stunned for 21 seconds in a row
but I also had a healer dedicated to void stoning me so I didn’t have to get dispelled for crushing doubts.
spice surge
Lol isnt voidstone enormous overkill, you need like a 40k shield, not 200k :-D
granite rampart
we only had one disc priest and you can’t rapture shield every one for every cast.
we had 3 people running void stones tho for people that couldn’t survive crushing themselves.
also only one spriest
tropic ocean
assa hb pad: 1, 2 outlaws: 0 😄
merry zinc
what would be the best compositions for this season to play m+ with an assassination rogue? if there are simple answers to that^^
crisp steppe
anything meta honestly
rigid mango
Dh + outlaw/wwmonk/elly shaman imo
rigid mango
Honestly think dh is better thanks to the dmg amp
after that the last 3 are all super good and each bring something
merry zinc
okay thanks for the input guys 😃
granite rampart
dh damage amp isn’t so good anymore since there aren’t many casters in the meta and one caster that is, ele sham, most of their aoe damage is earthquake, which is physical.
rigid mango
Sin damage is amped by it
granite rampart
envenom and poison damage I guess yea
marble hemlock
its more about the damage composition of each of those specs, in combination with what utility it provides
granite rampart
most of sin dungeon dmg is bleeds and fok/eb which are physical
marble hemlock
if youre running assa instead of outlaw, you need some singletarget control to make up for the lack of gouge/low-cd BTEs
dh has that covered with fel eruption
granite rampart
from the man himself
marble hemlock
though to be fair, i havent yet run assa+ww+shaman to see how it is
since theres basically no good WW players in EU other than ricky 😦
rigid mango
granite rampart
that’s ok there’s basically no good NA ele shams
marble hemlock
ye, its weird how EU has like 3 or 4 toptier shamans while NA has none 😄
but then we lack WWs
in any case, the dh/assa/shaman setup has high singletarget thanks to the DH/Ele while the assa can carry aoe with 3EB
swag doesnt really play live highkeys anyway
neon sedge
Hey rogue fam, are there any pieces of Azerite that have shrouded and double dose. I was looking to replace a chest piece. Was also wondering your thoughts on engineering goggles.
granite rampart
gore-splattered vest
engi goggles arent bad but considering how easy it is to kill mythic champs, that helm is a lot better and not hard to farm
even for most casual players.
neon sedge
Yeah I have that already was just curious what azerite I should be aiming for next
If anyone has thoughts
granite rampart
you should try to get cephalohide jacket. DD and ttk with overwhelming power. you already have gorak tuls and with champs helm that would be bis for pure single target.
most people find that champs helm, gorak tuls, and cephalohide jacket sim the best for single target because all 3 have DD and overwhelming power. also be sure to sim blightborne infusion on your shoulders.
neon sedge
Thanks Tyler for the feedback 👍
granite rampart
i also see youre socketed/enchanted crit. usually haste would be better, but since your logs have a lot of outlaw kills, i dont blame you if you dont want to constantly switch gems/enchants
neon sedge
You know I simmed and it was showing crit for patchwork. I found that odd.
granite rampart
if it sims higher then keep using crit yea. odd tho since youre only at 14% haste
granite rampart
my haste is 21% and still best too
tropic ocean
But crit is .02 close
neon sedge
I must have some option or something on
tropic ocean
Weird
Whats ur % crit haste mastery if i can ask
Pooe
U dont use bbi in gork tuls
That could be the reason
neon sedge
I simmed last night and they were super close
Still showing crit in gems
Bbi is now a tad better
granite rampart
did you check the 'replace existing gems and enchants' box and click haste gmes and enchants? it could not even be simming them.
neon sedge
😭
crisp steppe
next week friday there is a lan in sydney I believe
big pumping this week in freehold btw 😄
primal gazelle
oh nice
crisp steppe
45k overall on my 407
primal gazelle
#teammethodna
tropic ocean
45k on 407 is very decent
primal gazelle
dps on fortified teeming weeks may be a little inflated 😛
real bay
big pulls big dps
strange python
Is it just me, or did they change the sound of Evenom? It sounds... Weird. Maybe I'm just misremembering.
buoyant coyote
What am i doing wrong if my burst is kinda low compared to others
here is one of the examples
Im the rogue (only rogue)
Im running MA 3x DD 2 NP 1 Twist
rigid mango
You peaked at over 50k, it's not like your burst is low
There's not much to do to increase burst, more than pray to lord RNG for muti -> env
primal gazelle
@strange python are you still using EP? most of the audio i hear when i cast envenom is all EP
tropic ocean
your opener is wrong
stuck knoll
You envenomed before vend tb and vanish
tropic ocean
garrote mutilate rupture vendetta vanish tb mutilate envenom
be sure to have refreshed dots before vendetta/vanish so you dont need to redot
same for tb
buoyant coyote
@tropic ocean me ?
buoyant coyote
idk tbh
buoyant coyote
ye those i know ima be better at
tropic ocean
you should never redot during tb and also always get at least 2x envenom in
buoyant coyote
Also atm on jaina M without BL i dont burst to much like 30-40k only
our warlock and casters makes me look bad
tropic ocean
this is how all your vendetta/tb/vanish windows should look
try to get kr trinket or cos unaat trinket to increase your burst phase, you don't have an on use trinket so that can lead to a lot more burst
with 2 not on use trinekts burst phases wont be high on demand, just when the trinekts proc in opener
buoyant coyote
I'v tried but never gotten the kr trinket to drop
last weeks chest had same trinket in it <.<
I'v though its better to cast TB then let it be on off cd
so i can get more casts off
thats what a previous guild memeber told me atlest
Plan ahead on TB but dont let it sit without being used
lost horizon
That's correct
Just look at the CD on TB and compare it to how much time you have left on rupture
fading ocean
one of the on use pvp trinkets are functionally the same thing as the KR trinket, galecallers is gr8 too
any onuse is good
agi on use from pvp is fine
lost horizon
You should have more than the CD left on TB + it's 9sec duration left on rupture
If not, plan to refresh before TB
tropic ocean
yes u generally use tb on cd with some expections e.g. when you know you need to move its okay to delay it
you just need to pre-plan when tb comes off cd, e.g. refresh dots, pool energy, ideally have some cp already so you can ->5cp with tb envenom>mutx2>envenom>mutx2>envenom
buoyant coyote
is it worth delaying rapture then to get TB with good windows off?
tropic ocean
no
buoyant coyote
ah
tropic ocean
never let rapture drop
lost horizon
^
tropic ocean
the rotation is pretty straight forward
buoyant coyote
ye ofc was thinking to reapply it 3-4 to get TB windows off
tropic ocean
theres little exception e.g. jaina if you know you get another vendetta in
its ok to let rupture run out when she shifts anyway
lost horizon
Only time it should drop is if you can't physically get to the boss to reapply
buoyant coyote
other then that i think im doing ok
buoyant coyote
3 cp with rapture?
royal lantern
never use finishers at 3 cp
only exception is 3cp rupture when the enemy dies in the next 10sec anyway
atleast imo
buoyant coyote
ye when it doesnt get as many cps
royal lantern
opening combo<---->general gameplay
i mean, the opener is in the pins anyway, if you need that
lost horizon
End of the day it's knowing what to aim for, and what to prioritize
royal lantern
^ dont stress out, sin is slow enough too give you time too plan things ahead
lost horizon
You only need to dump energy during TB
Rest of the time you should be chilling
It's straightforward with some minor things you can always work on
Like Muting during env buff to maximize DD
But that's low impact shit
The important stuff is TB and dot management
misty edge
Does anyone here run exsan in m+ with success?! I have a couple SS traits and I’m wondering about it maybe being worth it having 3 empowered garrotes rolling and then popping that for some nasty burst
crisp steppe
its less ST damage
royal lantern
exsang is only on 1 target, and with EB you want a higher bleed uptime for that FoK spam
crisp steppe
I was running double SS and without hero it just lags behind a lot on a 2m ST fight
its certainly playable if u want to play it
misty edge
Well I’m dumb thanks for that info haha I guess I’ll stick to TB!
royal lantern
aoe exsang would be cool tbh
misty edge
And I run 2 EB so i didn’t think about that part of wanting the bleed to last longer so I could FoK more thanks guys!
royal lantern
where there are MANY targets(like beginning of a reaping wave or of a big pull) you pretty much just keep your bleeds on targets that need too die faster/have more hp too gain energy,and then spam fok
well, if something has much more hp then you funnel envenoms in that target too
misty edge
@crisp steppe sadly I never raid so my main thing is balancing good damage throughout the dungeon without loosing to much on bosses, which I feel like I’m really starting to get into a great rythem of that the last couple weeks
Last question then, opinions on NP vs TC, NP was consistently less then 2% of my overall damage in dungeons our healer is awesome so I think I’d have a lot of uptime on it and not as much of the downside. Seems like on the aoe I have lot to gain by switching that up
royal lantern
NP is....not good for dungeons, its a raid trait
sullen pagoda
strange python
thinking of picking up engi helm for SS/barrage. thoughts?
sullen pagoda
what do you guys think
strange python
don't have another 415 helm atm
sullen pagoda
enough crit for m+?
royal lantern
@strange python engi helm is fine if you dont have anything else
strange python
kk
misty edge
How is that even possible to have 2200 crit....
crisp steppe
sockets
royal lantern
crit on every single piece/sockets are op af in bfa/mekka trinkets/weapon enchant
royal lantern
just go 100%crit, better safe then sorry
crisp steppe
I think for teeming eventually vers might win out
since eb is guaranteed crits and pulls are huge but depends on dungeon
misty edge
Yea I want that to change so I can really know when something is better haha
sullen pagoda
yea i dont think dungeon slice is any good to follow atm
royal lantern
i gues becuase in dungeon slice boss fights take much longer then they do in reality
and idk how it favors big pulls
crisp steppe
Boss for just over 2 minutes (lust will be used for this boss)
4–6 mobs for 11–19 seconds
1–3 mobs for 26–34 seconds
4–6 mobs for 11–19seconds
1–3 mobs for 26–34 seconds
Continue alternating between large and small packs until the end of the sim
There will be variable gaps of time between trash packs
so fairly now mob count on avg
low*
stuck knoll
It will probably be more accurate if the next affix is more like infested in that it restricts pull count
crisp steppe
its cool that it allows restealth
@primal gazelle yeah I mean with like 10 targets and 50% crit chance on average you'd get 5 echoing blade procs. so then the only way to increase dmg of the EB part is vers
but thats not very reasonable outside of freehold I think
depends how u pull I guess
crisp steppe
@primal gazelle just tried to sim with 50% crit
( Pawn: v1: "Ghost-Assassination": Class=Rogue, Spec=Assassination, Agility=9.37, CritRating=12.07, HasteRating=6.98, MasteryRating=11.66, Versatility=15.57 )
not adjusted apl to only spam fok tho
thats 10targets 2mins
primal gazelle
link the sim
primal gazelle
3 Eb?
crisp steppe
yeah
but this isn't pure fok spam yet so it might still change
ok checking pure fok now
default_actions=0
infinite_energy=1
gear_crit_rating=2880
actions=fan_of_knives
even if I give the sim 2k vers its still stronger than crit at that point
primal gazelle
what is that sim lol
Where is the poison dmg
From bleeds etc
that may benefit from crit more than verse
is that just pressing fok on 10 targets and do nothing else?
crisp steppe
yeah lmao ur right
guess I should apply pots
poisons
not gonna do bleeds
havent written apl before and cba
( Pawn: v1: "Ghost-Assassination": Class=Rogue, Spec=Assassination, Agility=6.84, CritRating=17.71, HasteRating=2.13, MasteryRating=3.14, Versatility=19.27 ) with poisons
cba bleed. pretty pointless to do this anyway
oblique moon
What’s the best in depth m+ guide out there’s specifically that focuses on rotation
crisp steppe
not sure. generally your goal is to set up your energy regen to spam fan of knives on large scale aoe (6+ targets)
so that would be garrote x3, rupture, build cp with fan of knives, rupture
after that you can spam fan of knives and use your best judgment to make sure you have energy throughout the entire pull
you can get in some more ruptures, try to spread them out
so that you get some benefit from elaborate planning
after opener in large scale aoe you want to use ruptures for getting energy regen. garrote is worse for this (costs more, less duration, no elaborate planning)
woven summit
Hey guys, I want to try some TTK into my keys build but unfortunately I only have one TTK at disposal. That said, what's better: 3x EB, 2X SS or 2X EB 2X SS and 1X TTK?
woven summit
the rest is 1x Scent
visual quartz
gross
crisp steppe
yeah for sure
crisp steppe
honestly do what you want
woven summit
when i put rupture on multiple targets it kind of feels good
crisp steppe
if u want to do a bit more prio ttk will help. if u want to do more aoe EB will help
you can still do prio dmg with envenoms without ttk
its just going to be less obviously
woven summit
yeah guess you are right
guess it's best to have a mix of both
but untill then going with 1x ttk
and 2x EB
azure matrix
on the topic of traits, if u could choose an extra twist the knife or a shrouded suffocation? What would
crisp steppe
I would prefer TTK I think but depends on the dungeon
like some dungeons don't rquire a lot of prio dmg
and y ou don't pull that big so SS is gonna get nice value
hidden plinth
whats a good uptime for en Envenom 75% < or more?
crisp steppe
I think it depends on fight. if you have a log you can try using the compare function to see what similar better performing players had on a fight. they might very well have better rng/combo point generation which can explain some of the difference
charred crag
if im a Zandalari, which embrace do i want?
visual quartz
but increasing your uptine and not getting 2xmut during it because your using envenoms faster and not pooling for better env uptime would also be detrimental
think its smarter env usage and not just uptime
thorny shore
which combination of azerites for this week u guys running? something with 3EB?
visual quartz
ive been enjoying 3SS 2EB 1TTK
But doesnt work great if we dont plan for reaping, as in it comes mid pull 😛
azure matrix
Does 1 EB do that much? Coming over from outlaw i wanna play assa, but do not have 3 EB. Got 2 EB 1 SS 3 TTK, how much would and extra EB do?
for the big AoE's that is. As that is the reason i like outlaw :3
visual quartz
1 EB still procs the same, the dmg would be lower obviously. but you still FoK alot so wouldnt be bad
azure matrix
oh okay, nice thanks!
umbral mauve
Is there any cap for stats in raid traits? (playing 3xDD, 1xBB, 1xNP, 1x scent)
rigid mango
wdym any cap?
umbral mauve
hast/crit/mast
rigid mango
There's no caps of any sort
You'll learn when certain stats drop off for you etc
Normally haste drops off at a certain amount and mastery takes over, but sim yourself to see 😄
umbral mauve
Yea i did
rigid mango
Then there's your answer
Just sim yourself with top gear to see what pieces are the best, that's about it
neon sedge
Should I not play assassination in dungeons until I get at least 2 EB. Right now I only have 1. Have helm from champs. Gorak Tul shoulders and cephalohide jacket/reverent adoration
neon sedge
Thanks
oblique moon
Any 3.5k+ assass rogue streamers?
proud wren
Ran top gear sim and it told me to change out 2 of my pieces that had mastery for versatility
Now vers is higher than mastery
rigid mango
For what, m+ or patchwerk
proud wren
Patchwork
tropic ocean
Vers top stat 🤔🤔🤔🤔
rigid mango
tropic ocean
Did you paste outlaw instead of assa
sounds like an outlaw thing not sure with current gear vers will overtake mastery for st in any point
trim forge
Seems odd if you are a decent ilvl even as outlaw
rigid mango
As outlaw, vers is still a good stat
For sin, it's generally not bad but the worst out of the 4
proud wren
I’m 394 rn
And i simmed patchwerk
I mean it DID boost my dmg but about 2k but still it threw me off
drifting cloud
2k? did you swap 40 ilvls higher or what
drifting cloud
thats not goint to give you 2k dps
rigid mango
Still sounds like a lot
drifting cloud
you swapped something else
proud wren
Could be the ring
drifting cloud
its legit impossible to gain that much dps from 10 ilvls on 2 random pieces
tropic ocean
still
You do something wrong in sim
Vers best stat in st
2k dps gain
2k dps gain maybe when swapping 2 azerite pieces with eb/ss to dd/np on st 🤔
Idk this sounds really awkward
visual quartz
I mean if you trade 300+ vers for 300+ haste it would be significant but 2k significant, doubtful
link the 2 sims
tropic ocean
Hes saying vers is > mastery for him on sin st
visual quartz
kinda odd
tropic ocean
Which should be close to impossible on st with current gear lvl
Even if you have everything crit/mastery or haste/mastery your best stat would be crit ir haste
For multitarget it could be possible but still unlikely right now
visual quartz
yeah vers isnt even close to beat the other 3 for me
cobalt pelican
just link the sims..
viral totem
What are the best traits to have for mythic plus? Right now I have 2x SS 1x NP 1x EB 1x TTK and 1x DD I felt like I had more dmg output with 3x SS
For sin rogue, forgot to mention it
pure lotus
I’m trying out sin rogue and my sims are telling me crit enchants on both rings. Shouldn’t it be haste?
cobalt pelican
crit/haste/mastery are all possibilities depending on the rest of your gear
haste is the most likely, but if you've double checked the sim and nothing is wrong (talents, fight style, fight length) then it's not too abnormal
pure lotus
K thanks
trim forge
@rigid mango not saying vers is bad for outlaw ... vers fell off under haste between 405 and 410 ilvl
strange python
link sim @proud wren
proud wren
Not on comp right now Layin in bed lol
tropic ocean
🤷🏿♂️
strange python
would it be possible to tweak the MA opener for like
to be more rng based I guess
like TB before vanish and then pray for crits 🤔
feel like that'd cause higher highs and lower lows for sure
pure lotus
when is a good time to use galecallers?
lost horizon
on CD (assuming you won't have to move out of it)
@strange python probably results in loss
strange python
@lost horizon makes sense
lost horizon
plus TB's initial hit isn't actually that wimpy
shy dust
Im pretty sure I heard that using TB before envenom can lead to higher damage but also less
and that just using TB inside inside Vanish is just more consistent dps wise
unkempt karma
Quick question, what traits to go for as assassination?
For m+ / Raid wise?
Shrouded + echoing for m+?
Shrouded / dd and nothing personal?
stuck knoll
Can run twist the knife for m+ too depending on if you need some prio or not
unkempt karma
thanks!
anywhay to spec optimal for shroud + eb?
Since I got two of those, eb > shroud on shoulders.
Chest is shroud > eb
granite rampart
on lower keys shrouded is really good yes. but on higher keys you'll be restealthing less often, pulls are much larger, and pulls last much longer, all of which diminish the value of shrouded. on higher keys you would probably only want 1 shrouded, then eb and ttk.
bleak spoke
tropic ocean
where the sims
zenith gust
on use trinket goes before vendetta right?
solar rose
If your talking about in a macro, it doesn’t matter
stuck knoll
Just if you're making a lurkers macro have the /cancel before /cast
zenith gust
why cancel?
zenith gust
but if u cancel, you still get the mastery buff?=
zenith gust
then i dont get why equip it if you cancel ity
solid nova
You cancel it intentionally
To stop yourself dying if theres inc damage
As the last 10 seconds hurts a lot
cobalt pelican
and it's pretty close to/better than most trinkets even with 20-22 seconds uptime
solid nova
Its an insane trinket dps wise
lethal heart
25
coz i wanna use my 2nd tb and then cancel
actually doesnt matter
what does NP tooltip even say
does it get scaled by mastery?
since its nature damage (poison?)
i'd imagine it does
granite rampart
the last 10 seconds of lurkers does appx 100k during those 10 seconds. for comparison you take about 100k damage from the first 20 seconds.
a little less actually. for me, my 425 lurkers would do 89k over the first 20 seconds, and then another 89k over the final 10 seconds
quick aurora
Hi , im starting to play my rogue again after playing monk in BoD........my questions are , ( i have 2 x SS trait and have subterfuge talent).......if vendetta is on CD and im going to engage a new mob from stealth , do i garrote> rupture >garrote? And also if say i vanish to get out of combat , do i then do the normal opener with vendetta up? or just garrote>rupture>garrote? and also what do i do from vanish if vendetta is on CD.....thanks
solid nova
@granite rampart The first 20 and last 10 seconds definitely dont do the same amount of damage
granite rampart
ok youre right. but it is very close. the first 20 ticks of it does 82k total while the last 10 do 97k.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DK2CwdbtXHBqL3Vh/#type=damage-taken&cutoff=3&fight=6&source=26&ability=295410&start=1728924&end=1749441 this is the first 20 ticks of one use
that is at 425 by the way
tropic ocean
Its more than double
Dtps
And check for defensives during first 20 and last 10 🖖🏿
granite rampart
thats exactly what i was saying. i said the damage taken in the last 10 seconds, is roughly equal to the damage taken in the first 20, a little bit more. which would be double the dtps.
and for either of the links there are no damage reductions up since it is the opener of the fight and damage taken is low and there is no need.
tropic ocean
idk now whats with your log
but I take more than 30 hits by the trinket during its duration
and about 30% more during last 10 sec than first 20
granite rampart
how do you take more than 30 hits? it lasts 30 seconds and ticks once per second?
rose perch
you take the same number of hits per second they just do more damage at the end
granite rampart
ok i see that now. i was cutting off the last tick. so the first 20 still did 82.3k while the final 11 ticks did 109.3k. thats about 25% more over the final third of the duration, than the damage taken over the first 2 thirds of the duration.
dark crag
Cancel if necessary, else run full duration
granite rampart
reason i brought it up was because richard said you take 200k+ damage in the final 10 seconds and i got curious. while it does ramp, its not near that bad for the last 10 seconds, and yes should definitely be canceled if needed.
tropic ocean
i think there was some graphic in this discord that just calculated the dmg taken over 30s by adding the stacking ticks
w/o mitigation
iirc
granite rampart
i still think the items tooltip is awful.
royal lantern
nah, they nerfed the dmg before it did go life
and yeha, the tooltip is awful
but tbf, almost all tooltips in this game are shit
cursive falcon
because noone uses kidney shot on jaina and the iron wire is pretty good outside raids/m+ so they dont bother changing
not really a relevant talent branch for jaina tbh
hollow kelp
is it possible to activate the execute relic on uunat to kill the adds and cloak off the aoe after adds r dead so noone gets dmg anymore?
real garden
no, it will always go off for full duration
hollow kelp
if the guy who activate is dieing the aoe stops too
tropic ocean
@real garden just cba to change it, its bis talent for m+ and good for add fights too
real garden
fair ^^
royal lantern
using iron wire because it helps the group for the dungeon:i sleep
use internal bleeding too pads dps: real shit
daring trench
Is it worth it in M+ this week with fort+teeming to take CT instead of PB?
crisp steppe
no
rigid mango
Depends a bit on your azerite
round harbor
It's worth it to not zone into m+ besides doing ur 10 for the weeo
visual quartz
that was last week
rigid mango
This week is way worse
autumn stag
Im simming 26k on raidbots, but I only manage to lie around 20-22k on boss dummies with drums and battlepotion, whats up with me? :))
royal lantern
no warrior buff
and sim is playing perfect with a decent amount of procs/crits etc.....
in reality you probably doesnt have that
autumn stag
True, so pulling 22k on the dummies is quite decent then, I guess
visual quartz
Getting close to your sims means youre a robot
plus I like fortified weeks, personal preference I guess
solemn meadow
royal lantern
tyranical weeks with pugs are weird
ofc its better too push, but 1 guy fucks something up? key is dead
winter spruce
!azerite
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Azerite Season 2 changes: https://bit.ly/2U86I7o
obtuse ruin
is more haste better for exsang build or TB build for raid?
bronze topaz
how do you line up troll racial with cooldowns? 1st opener, 2nd without any cooldowns or delay it to 4min?
vast forum
depends on fight length
if you feel like fight will be over 6 min, you use it on CD, if not, then save for a vendetta
bronze topaz
ok thakns
strange python
@rose perch I just wish to thank you for all your content. You are by far the most articulate content creator i've seen
wild stone
Wondering if my traits are just really mediocre. I main outlaw and only played sin for ST fights but I feel like I'm not simming high
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uqe7JFJPkbEK5pDj8JBdtf
rigid mango
Your traits are mediocre
wild stone
Ok thanks
wild stone
Yeah
rigid mango
So aye, your az pieces are mediocre I'm afraid
wild stone
This is good news
Thanks
What are other mythic ilvl rogues simming for?
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Guess that got deleted
strange python
anyone tips on Jaina Mythic to crush that legendary log?
strange python
is jaina mythic better with full ST Build or with Cleave Build
stuck knoll
ST
rigid mango
^
stuck knoll
There's basically nothing to cleave unless you're padding on blocks/catapults
wild stone
Zine can you share your sim?
stuck knoll
Especially with the new strat
stuck knoll
Maybe todays the day
rigid mango
Lurk pls
harsh sphinx
420 dagger mediocre 
strange python
statsweight in weapons is like bonkers
rigid mango
Yeah.
Exactly
And I can't for the life of me get anything forged/socketed on like
spyglass/dice
so
harsh sphinx
if you could give me your dagger i'd be in the club https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bUez77mVyUnrsxGsrX4bWL
rigid mango
Dude ur fucking sim is nuts wtf
strange python
the jewelcrafting ring is really good
rigid mango
nice trinket
strange python
i was a High M+ Player before i got into raiding
still have the crit/haste one
cant really afford to rng craft a new one price-wise
what do u guys think about 1x NP 1x TTK over 2x NP?
harsh sphinx
Ya I just kept rerolling it.. Many many times
strange python
sims always say 2x NP for me
harsh sphinx
Sims higher for me at least than 2xNp 3xNp
rigid mango
for patchwerk aye
harsh sphinx
I swap it out for a dice sometimes but it's hard not to use
light kestrel
Does EB lose value past 2? It feels like 3 EB doesn't make much difference
harsh sphinx
3EB is pretty blast imo
rigid mango
It does for me
I'm doing a significant amount more dps at the end of the dungeon
We're tlaking a couple 1000 atleast
civic palm
Does for everyone, 3 is worth it.
proud wren
What’s the solid trait setup to run for mythics this week
rigid mango
3 eb 2 ss/ttk 1 ss/ttk
proud wren
Thank you
I gotta run a shit ton of mythics this weekend and try and get some upgrades
And gotta farm Azerite Armor world quests to scrap and get some Titan Residum
dark crag
Wq armor gives around 35 max per piece, only worth it in the long run
proud wren
What’s a solid way to get a lot of Residuum
dark crag
Emissaries and raidloot
Weekly +15 dungeon
2 +15 weeklys are almost 1 gamble every 2 weeks
proud wren
No way I’m getting into a +15 lol
rigid mango
Just don't suck 
rigid mango
I mean, it's more for the weekly chest
proud wren
Ahhh true true
rigid mango
Get a shit ton of residuum and guaranteed 410 piece
rigid mango
I honestly have no clue
rigid mango
1 day
sullen rampart
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
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quick aurora
Hi , im starting to play my rogue again after playing monk in BoD........my questions are , ( i have 2 x SS trait and have subterfuge talent).......if vendetta is on CD and im going to engage a new mob from stealth , do i garrote> rupture >garrote? And also if say i vanish to get out of combat , do i then do the normal opener with vendetta up? or just garrote>rupture>garrote? and also what do i do from vanish if vendetta is on CD.....thanks
tropic ocean
in mythic + you garrote 3 mobs frmo stealth
then rupture
in 1 mob u do garrote>rupture>garrote y
quick aurora
Great thanks 😛
marble hemlock
ye
marble hemlock
3DD would be beter if you have it
strange python
I do not
harsh sphinx
have you used the uunat boots much seli?
strange python
but I do have triple SS
marble hemlock
i havent gotten the boots yet
strange python
(which sims lower than those up there)
marble hemlock
so no chance for me to play around with them 😦
harsh sphinx
got ya 😦
dark crag
go ss/subt and maximum pad the adds
hollow stone
Dont listen to luhmi. For prog, definitely do what youre saying
Then on 2nd kill, pad lord
:p
dark crag
or go outlaw and cleave them, first kill will probably be with 2 adds casting until boss starts to cast
strange python
nah I play outlaw too much already
hollow stone
Nah. First kill, sin st for sure
dark crag
but you would look good on dmg meter
hollow stone
And if people give you shit, link them a log with lumaria dmg taken
And flex that way
strange python
lul
I've never played with this guild
and Stormwall is my first mythic boss this tier
champs, for obvious reasons, does not count
marble hemlock
youre literally hitting the boss while everyone else does everything else
marble hemlock
only thing you can do, is help out on soaks if the tank doesnt get to them in time
but assa is horrible on sirens
hollow stone
Let the other people do the stuffs. Just pump boss, kill sirens, and dont die to swell
strange python
plus might not even have TB up for burst windows
so
reeeeeeee
ye
I'm only rly worried about the dodging
I've pretty much never SEEN the mechanics
so I'm not used to them yet
hollow stone
Assass is bad on sirens, yea. But for a prog first kill, sirens are likely an issue
strange python
I've watched Dratnos's sin kill tho
marble hemlock
meh, you just stack up as melee for seaswell
and move as a group whenever it comes
marble hemlock
usually somone has a camp-marker and you just stack on that guy
marble hemlock
most guilds just start on the left on the pillar with melee, than jump down after first swell
strange python
I only have jaina WAs
strange python
mhm
hollow stone
We do it right to left 😬
rigid mango
I'd really recommend the WA that tells you sea swell timing
If you don't have that one
marble hemlock
animals
crisp steppe
Abandon ship applejuice
rigid mango
fu seli
strange python
but which one
rigid mango
not everyone can be a prio
strange python
there's so many
rigid mango
pro*
crisp steppe
Terrible guild
marble hemlock
thats animalistic behaviour
rigid mango
Starting right side
crisp steppe
Really is
crisp steppe
Whoever decided on that might be a serial killer
strange python
I could write my own instead heck
hollow stone
Nah, you see, because when you port back to the dock youre closer to the right.... i swear... 😎
strange python
which WA do you guys use for sea swell?
hollow stone
Ill keep my eye on the guy that made that decision @crisp steppe
strange python
🤔
crisp steppe
Y'all coulda been world first material if u started left
strange python
we in there boys
karmic ingot
Pretty sure this is the WA I use for sea swell:
harsh sphinx
lucky day
hollow stone
Ayyy
karmic ingot
@strange python Also, get/make a WA for freezing tide pool if you do t have one already. If you’re like me and you use GTFO to let you know when you’re standing in bad, it doesn’t alert for freezing tide pool. I made a WA for it because a lot of my guild mates were dying to standing in it and not noticing.
strange python
does freezing tide pool create a temporary debuff on your char
or do you go through combat log
karmic ingot
Yeah, you get a debuff.
strange python
GTFO was triggering for me in the sea swell muck
karmic ingot
It might have been updated then.
karmic ingot
I know I saw an update for it on twitch recently.
My guild just killed Jaina this week and we’ve been extending since we killed Mekkatorque for the first time. It’s been probably 2 months since I’ve done Stormwall.
rigid mango
nidiot*
karmic ingot
Mine says “move dipshit” lol.
rigid mango
mine says move bitch
karmic ingot
And it makes a water drop sound every second that you stand in bad.
strange python
that's just going to make me need to pee in the middle of raid
karmic ingot
If people are tunneling, sound > visual.
karmic ingot
Effective.
rigid mango
nice link
rigid mango
karmic ingot
Keep in mind that most strategies involve stepping into the freezing tide pool on purpose to bait sea swell though so you might not want to make it too obnoxious.
Also, WTF is that url lol.
strange python
that would be my domain name
quick question
what do I want to hold for vanish
specifically
what should I aim to have line up?
Vendetta/Plume are going to line up anyway
but I shouldn't hold TB right?
because realistically it's going to overlap with TB anyway
just due to the nature of TB's short CD
karmic ingot
Hold your 2 minute CDs to align with a toxic blade.
strange python
and also I'll lose casts by holding TB
oo
got it
so TB is the siegebreaker of sin
karmic ingot
Basically.
karmic ingot
It’s 25s. If you use it on or nearly on CD, you’ll use it approximately 20s before your 2m CDs come back up. You hold them for ~5s to wait for TB and you’re good to go.
wild stone
is it common for Blightborne Infusion to sim Over Nothing Personal in ST?? Just got Gorak Tul's
meager nebula
yes, bbi is a very strong trait
polar cape
Yeh
wild stone
Okay cool thank you guys
turbid pivot
I've got a quick, general question...is it better to try to chain together as many finishers as possible with the elaborate planning buff, or should I start to break that chain if I'm about to lose envenom and maximize the uptime on that?
When I say finishers I mean 4-5 CP, of course
steep obsidian
when you start to feel energy starved pool and go again, unless its during a cooldown burst window then fit in as much as you can
like you dont pull during tb you pool beforehand
rigid mango
just don't touch them after p1
rigid mango
Garrote isn't worth it
strange python
will die before enough ticks
steep obsidian
tanks can easily enough drag the boss to it but ranged should mostly be able to burst the thing down anyway
even if you are on top of it when you get targeted you have enough time to get space and can always call for a grip if you are desperate
steep obsidian
yeah if yor raid leader is stressing about your siren damage as sin rogue he's dumb
if you are anywhere near the top your raid sucks and itsliving way too long
id evne say if you not dead last 😛
rigid mango
Literally that entire fight feels like if u get p1 down
p2 is just so easy
esp as melee
just a dps race and iq check
"did you dot and slow the adds?"
steep obsidian
we struggled a bit coz our tank wouldn't get to a soak and not call for backup but yeah p1 is the hard bit coz healing is rough
cobalt gyro
imagine expecting a melee dot spec to do a lot of damage to an add that dies in 10 seconds
elfin plaza
Should I be worried about using Insidious gift on Mythic Jania?
steep obsidian
umm
certain points of the fight it would be fine
id probably click off the last 10 seconds or not use it
rigid mango
unless your healers suck, nah not rly
drifting cloud
you shouldnt, worst case click off last 5s
elfin plaza
Its for a trial for a guild that has cleared it already
steep obsidian
if your healers are smart its not a big deal
elfin plaza
but I havent
steep obsidian
if its on farm it shouldnt be a big deal
elfin plaza
Killed twice might not be that clean idk, will prob just swap back to Galecallers for it
drifting cloud
its not worth it
steep obsidian
i tried using it on stormwall last night and got dragged by a siren through like 10 pools with it up lol
drifting cloud
like I said, worst case just click off last 5s
steep obsidian
yah
drifting cloud
your cds have ran out at that point anyways
steep obsidian
i hvae a 420 socketed one myself its like 500+ dps more then my 410 plumeage
its insanely good trinket in sims
elfin plaza
its 410 Gift vs 400 Socketed GC and it sims way better so will use. Probably just going to end it early later in the fight.
elfin plaza
Ill have faith in the light tonight
steep obsidian
just make a cancelaura macro for it and you can cancel it if it gets too scary
strange python
is triple ss 1xtc 1xbbi a bad m+ thing
for low keys
I have stacked outlaw traits, I just want to play sin
rigid mango
Aye, sure, that's 1
rigid mango
but I'd recommend 2+
strange python
I do not have access to 2
proud wren
Is there a certain site that’s good for +15 carry’s that’s not overpriced as hell?
strange python
robust cloak
hi all, recently joined a new guild and i've jumped up from a 3/9m guild to trial with a guild about to get mekka, managed to get in for a couple pulls very late in their raid night on wednesday and would love some insight on my play if possible
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fqFQtxvMaHwdp1Lz - i'm vantryl - only got in for the last 3 pulls
running subterfuge > MA purely for comfort at this stage as MA is still unfamiliar for me
also opener was cucked af on last pull - wasn't off cd from the pull before hehe
modest tendon
you would do a lot more damage with MA, especially with your azerite traits, if you are on the progress team I'd recommend learning it
honest needle
this is my current gear https://gyazo.com/59e044cd12e1a9ac98c17e7c790ced8a what should i roll from residue vendor
or do i alrdy have some bis gear for assasination
right now im using outlaw traits but i wanna know what i should roll for for assasination, cause the only piece i need for outlaw is the flash helm
sleek iron
