Ye it's sorta it
#assassination
rigid mango
1 pb hb ct
tropic ocean
doing same key with different talents
but for overall dmg, pretty much hb > poison bomb
since you don't use enough finishers in the big packs
cuz fok spam
tropic ocean
probably because you still use envenom due to ttk
but what you do is in packs and reaping put out ruptures and just spam fok
and obviously then hb>poison bomb
cuz no finishers, no procs
going ct now
brb
10,4% ct total
rip my old love
dark crag
Rip reaping in 8.2
real bay
thank god stupid mongo affix
worldly iron
reaping was the best thing ever 
giga fan of knives
real bay
fun for mongo cleave but not really anything that required more than 20iq
worldly iron
I didn't really do high keys in s1, but it felt like infested wasn't that iq heavy either
strange python
@modern forge sorry for the late response; i don't switch traits from m+ to raids. only thing i truely switch is gear and cheat death or elusiveness. (m+ i run 2(3)eb/2ss/(1)2ttk. raids i run 3dd np bbi ss)
real bay
nah they both were kinda zzz
real bay
not sure why there needs to be this seasonal affix at all if they can't come up with something that doesn't always make certain specs super good like outlaw for reap
tropic ocean
theres always superior class/spec
at least reaping isnt as annoying as infested was
tropic ocean
they should make
the arcway event into affix
from last boss 
every 20% u gotta dodge run back to boss
real bay
there is always the best but gap becomes even bigger
tropic ocean
gap are actually a little bit smaller than it was in legion tbf
in legion class balance was waaaaaaaay worse
for m+
real bay
it was fucked with leges and gear swapping
tropic ocean
it was pretty much dk tank, pala heal, lock dps, monk dps +x
now at least you have some dps variance π
vast forum
@real bay i disagree... while at medium level keys (10-19) you could just treat it as mongo cleave, on really high keys, you kinda have to use advantage of reaping in certain situations, and knowing when you can/should pull it into bosses was more than 20IQ
for example, the reaping + raal room + raal pull together that then procs another reaping takes the same (or less) time as just pulling raal alone, and you get rid of 20% of trash + 2 reaping waves in that time instead of just a boss
ofc, just doing reaping separately from other trash or bosses is just mongo cleave, but then you are just slowing down your run a lot
real bay
yeah but it's literally just non dangerous trash you pull with you and cleave, unless a lot of casters, not that bad
they melt really fast anyways
vast forum
in my opinion, that's what affixes should be like
not something as oppressive as bolstering/grievous/quaking/infested/necrotic
but that's just personal opinion
real bay
lightning enchanted from d2 
vast forum
never played diablo
strange python
can someone suggest a superb BoD Assa Rogue Streamer?
vestal wren
#rogue-streamers also should have him linked
btw. you can use <link> to not show the preview
rigid mango
Oh ok ty
marble hemlock
fuu hating on my kitty π¦
vestal wren
the preview just takes up a lot of space, the kitty is lovely π
marble hemlock
:3
hasty brook
Is there a maltrix or maletrics. Idk how to spell it..but I always hear about people leveling/using theirs. IS this a BFA item?
crisp steppe
you don't need anything special to level as assa rogue π just play the game
hasty brook
Oh I did not mean level the rogue. I am 120. I just heard people mention Maledict several times in the past and didn't know if it was like the neck and you lvl it
crisp steppe
its a pvp thingI think
tropic ocean
whats that wa/addon that shows current equipped talents and azerite traits?
bleak spoke
bleak spoke
rigid mango
27k 
harsh sphinx
28k with no set too. ballin
hollow cove
yo boys is shrouded suffocation not meant to stack re: combo points
shy axle
no, only dmg
hollow cove
bruh
shy axle
BRATAN
shy axle
gg
don`t forget that it will be the opulenz log people will look back to a few raids in the future, most important by far
nothing measures skill better
fallow estuary
the feeling of finally farming the raid again after 200 months of jaina progress
completly outdated gear
thank the jaina nerf gods
rigid mango
lone junco
wtf
earnest bridge
Hey guys, sorry for the probably really stupid question but I tried to do "pooling" and... I don't know if I do it properly cause I don't have the feeling to do more dps like that :/ How am I suppose to do exactly ?
civic palm
Make sure you have the Energy you need to get 2 Envenoms in a Toxic Blade duration, things like that.
lone junco
assassin has a few targets.
100% uptime on bleeds.
TB on CD
Dont miss out on a vendetta/vanish combo.
2-3 Env during each TB.
So outside of that. When you are prepping for the TB, you can hold of mashing MUT MUT ENV just prior to the TB.
Pooling is just Slowing down, without capping E
civic palm
Make sure you have enough energy to get as much inside the Master Assassin duration as you can, which isn't much, but it's something.
lone junco
if you mash excessively, you will be low E going into your vanish or your TB.
yeah. if you vanish at low E and dont get all 3 GCD off you will suck the π
lone junco
there are times when you have plenty of juice. and times when you are dry.
do you have a log?
if your actual performance in ST is in the 75% + parse, then you can start looking at tweaks to your output. if you are not doing well, pooling wont help
earnest bridge
yeah sure : https://fr.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YbRyj9QVF1xt6whp
I tried during this evening
(but I didn't play very well, actually :r but in any case, i felt like I was doing something wrong)
lone junco
there are a few cases of Capped E. probably due to movement
but make sure your vanish garrotes fall off completely
you should probably be doing vanish gg. as well. depends on prior garrote timing.
I dont have time to look at "pooling" windows myself.
this one is weird as well.
Tldr. There are some things to work on besides pooling.
Regarding the SS
That vendetta probably ended before the pandemic garrote did. So that's just wasted juice.
tropic ocean
I accidently forgot to remove subterfuge
and did 97 log on stormwall with subterfuge but no ss trait XD
now I just need to get rid of that green jaina log
π¦
gloomy slate
Mythic I hope
remote wing
Hate my azerite gear cant do crap for dmg unless I run 3 x Np 3xSs
civic palm
Eh?
lone junco
Sure.
solemn meadow
Any way to find who was enormous in the logs?
because the death log just says Enviroment
earnest bridge
(thanks for the advices Noobe, btw, I'll try to improve myself now ^^)
solemn meadow
I found it nvm
solemn meadow
Idk why I find playing subterfuge with ss alot more fun
tropic ocean
cuz u get more cp and do more dmg? XD
solemn meadow
I mean for bosses where
MA is better
like I find the rotation to be smoother or smth
tropic ocean
its more forgiving
lean coral
is there like a recommended mix of traits for dungeons currentl doing 3x EB 2xSS 1xTTK
civic palm
Yeah that's good.
lean coral
i have a bunch of 415 azerite so i can switch it around
civic palm
Any mix of EB | TtK | SS is fine
lean coral
using lurkers trinket as well not sure if i should
stable holly
If I am running Pearl Diver's compass which has a 1:30 CD, am I better off popping it off CD or waiting the extra 30 seconds to pop it with Vendetta? I am running Nothing Personals as azerite .
So either I use it 3 times in 6 minutes with Vendetta or 4 times in 6 minutes off CD (with toxic blade)
Its a 30% poison damage increase when I use the trinket
lone junco
Im not rogue main anymore. Others can always jump in and say I'm full of shit. @earnest bridge but not much yas changed. Specific fight timings in unnat is something I don't know.
Hpal life is very different.
lean coral
might be worth saving it
cause of nothing personal
i use lurkers for my on use and its insane for my nothing personal dmg over a fight and your trinket gives even more mastery
i do have triple nothing personal tho
stable holly
I got double nothing personal atm
I think ill just hit up the dummy for a good half hour to try it out lol
Thx for the reply
cobalt gyro
I'd probably use it on cd ish
Maybe line it up wity a toxic blade window or something
stable holly
Thats what I am currently running
anyways ill hit the dummy and report back π
or better yet, is there an option to sim both?
lone junco
It's probably better to line up with vendetta vanish.
There is a line in the apl about GCB and use with vendetta. You can probably change the trinket Id to force the delay.
The normal apl will be using it on CD.
In practice you would run a TTD kill timer and keep track of boss duration and decide to hammer the last one on CD if the fight is almost over.
But the longer the fight the bigger the gap.
hasty swan
best poisons to use for leveling?
tropic ocean
deadly leeching probably
hasty swan
leeching??
turbid zealot
bright smelt
is there any streamer that runs assa in m+ regularly?
and not just on certain weeks
cobalt gyro
seliathan
bright smelt
cheers!
tropic ocean
16? 17?
crimson condor
what are you guys running this week for last tier talent with EB?
rigid mango
pb
crimson condor
π
crisp steppe
maybe it'll have some niche uses
rigid mango
Just wait and see when it's insanely broken in an encounter
chilly marsh
or its doing to save from boss targeted spells...
crisp steppe
they'll probably code all spells to not care about LoS
chilly marsh
can only see it usefull if you cna time before a boss cast...
crisp steppe
they've been doing that a lot anyway
rigid mango
chilly marsh
but like @crisp steppe said its most coded to ignore los
crisp steppe
if there is something broken I fully expect blizz to nerf
they don't like being outsmarted
chilly marsh
feral is broken lol
crisp steppe
only for melee/hunter
chilly marsh
i was hoping for honor-among-thieves or a system shock....
tropic ocean
Undercover mod ππΌββοΈ
rigid mango
That's a non assa comment @tropic ocean -> #off-topic
tropic ocean
ππππ
misty edge
Best dungeon for daggers for 95% m+ underrot?!
rigid mango
What?
visual quartz
trying to figure that out myself
tropic ocean
Ilvl only thing that matters
But for 95% + parses theres way more stuff that plays a bigger roll than the stats on your dagger
drifting cloud
think he means hes gonna do m+ 95% of the time or something
tropic ocean
π€·πΏββοΈ
craggy needle
is there some preliminary quests on the ptr to unlock the new neck stuff?
opal meadow
@flint jetty sorry i just saw your ping about my raidbots post yeah i got new shoulders from the 1850 residuum and should be at around 27500 now
misty edge
Ah sorry that was awful wording but yes thatβs what I meant was that 95% of what I do is mythic plus π’
visual quartz
doesnt the shrine dagger have crit mast, cant recall
zenith gust
you still go 3xEB on tyrannical weeks?
rigid mango
I swapped out one eb for a ttk
zenith gust
and 3xSS? or maybe 2xSS and 1xNP?
rigid mango
No np
3 ss scales poorly, maybe in a KR key
but it's not fort, so shit dies fast so SS isn't always that good
zenith gust
:/ no idea what to use then
rigid mango
You can alwasy go either or
I mean what keys are you doing?
SS still gives relevant ST dmg, so it's not like it's bad or anything
rigid mango
Never
zenith gust
i assume it looses a lot of value since not used on aoe
rigid mango
It counter acts EB
With DD you pretty much never wanna Fok
but with eb you nearlty always wanna fok
so they work against each other
zenith gust
and we love Foking, thats 4 sure
rigid mango
Indeed
zenith gust
mmm... what about 2xEB + 1xTTK + 2xSS + 1xTC? for tyrannical only oc
zenith gust
xD
rigid mango
Like
zenith gust
fml
rigid mango
1 ttk isn't that good
since 2+ is when you actually play around it
tc is meh
but the others are nice
π
zenith gust
oh wait, i think i can have 2xSS + 2xEB + 2xTTK, let me recheck
would that be better?
rigid mango
Yes
civic palm
ye
rigid mango
Very much so
civic palm
Much better.
rigid mango
2/2/2 is a staple set up for each and every week
It literally always works, nearly never the best, but will always be top tier and functioning
zenith gust
i usually go 3xEB + 3xSS on fortified and like it a lot
rigid mango
Not a big fan of the 3 ss
I prefer going 3 eb 2ttk 1 ss
but thats bec I don't like being an outlaw without a single target dick
so
zenith gust
but you dont envenom on packs right?
zenith gust
i usually just emp garrote -> ruptures -> fok fok fok fok fok, and re-rupture when i know i'm gonna starve energy soon, unless mobs have already very low hp
rigid mango
At 5+, yes
You do g g g rup rup mongo fok spam
then do rup spread out
to maximise ep up time
if possible
zenith gust
below 5 you actually envenom?
rigid mango
Yeah
zenith gust
and still keep ruptures?
rigid mango
I'm running 3 ttk atm
normally run 2
on 4 targets, i spread bleeds and pump tb (and vend if it allows) and a shit ton of env into 1 target
That thing dies when you tell it to
rigid mango
yeah
You only use mutis at 1-2 target
1 target always muti, 2 target is a mix
eb does more dmg, muti is more cp
so you do muti
then if u have 2 cp, you muti again, if you have 3 you fok, if you have 4 you use a finisher
that's how you're most efficient, atleast, might change if shit just needs to die and fok spam is easiest
zenith gust
and having 2ttk, would it be better to have 3eb and 1 ss, or 2eb 2ss is better?
rigid mango
This week?
zenith gust
ok thx man, will try it tomorrow
rigid mango
Good luck π
kind gorge
Guys what do you think is more accurate, raidbots or ask mr robot for raiding. Because they make completely different azerite and talent build
kind gorge
Thanks π
spring iron
What's your guy's Stat % look like rn?
spring iron
20% Crit 17% Haste 39% Mast 5% Vers 4% speed
spring iron
your best
spring iron
M+
rigid mango
Then 35% crit
39% mast
6% hate
and like 4% vers iirc?
And I want less haste, and more mast/crit maybe a little vers even
cobalt gyro
is it possible to make a macro that mouseovers with both shift and control modifiers
spring iron
Whatβs your DPs look like?
rigid mango
Wdym, end of dungeon damage dealt?
these are all numbers that can't be taken from one person to another
spring iron
What is your average DPs in a dungeon
rigid mango
It depends
on a lot more
than my stats
You can't actually take my stats and try to make them into a relevant tangeble number for you to digest
Hast is bad
crit and mast is good
vers is decent for aoe
spring iron
I should just ask my basic question then. I am getting frustrated with my DPS currently and Iβm starting to think Iβm doing something wrong
What should I do to improve?
rigid mango
It's more than just stats
there are a lot of things
your haste is too high for m+
idk what the fuck u run azerite wise
I don't know how good you are at assa
You can't ask the very vague question of, what can I improve when I know 0
sand basin
Why is haste bad in m+?
rigid mango
beacuse
when you've got 5 bleeds out
the energy regen is enough that haste is worht 0
and since you ALWAYS
go sub with one ss trait
you go garrote garrote garrote, rupture rupture
and you have perma energy gain
sand basin
Your aa's don't cleave unlike outlaw too so that makes sense
rigid mango
wat
spring iron
Iβve been 4x gar to open...
rigid mango
I mean haste wouldnt be worth it
if iit just hjelped uir autos do more damage
when crit and mast do so much
sand basin
But it would be less bad
spring iron
Pulling out that much haste should lower single target damage too tho, right?
rigid mango
Yes
by a substantial amount, most times
It feels quite bad to play, ngl
but the vast amount of damage you gain from going crit and mast
is worth so much more
spring iron
just to grind through trash
A busy of mine patchwork sims for 40k and I cry....
On his hunter
spring iron
Yes
spring iron
Yes
rigid mango
and i'll believe it
flint jetty
1 minute
rigid mango
Exactly
spring iron
Most sin rogues 400+ can hit 30k
zenith gust
You still use those stats on tyrannical @rigid mango ?
flint jetty
@cobalt gyro I would think so if you just put in the correct modifier it should work fine
rigid mango
to make up for the haste on ST fights
flint jetty
and can always use addons like macro toolkit to see if valid or not
zenith gust
Op?
flint jetty
Overwhelming power tier 2 trait
rigid mango
not really
it values haste too highly
it does a lot of low target fights and a boss fight, all situations where haste is good
flint jetty
Well you doing a ST sim with aoe talents too?
flint jetty
I was just looking at that lol.
If it was top gear i was gunna run sim again and redo it but I guess you can with quick sim
But if you're going by character name./realm quick sim is annoying because it just takes whatever is on wow armory I think right
echo cargo
ye
crimson condor
can't decide between a 410 lurkers or a 410 resonating heart with socket, or 415 plumage
or 410 gc
rigid mango
?
you can't choose between
best trinket in the game
garbo
decent
and decent
?
wdym
solar rose
depends on the content, for raid, probably lurkers
solar rose
for M+ highly varies on build, 3ss 3eb setup plumage
spring iron
Any reccomendations on improvement based on my sim?
I know itβs all over the place....
solar rose
if you're playing a ttk prio damage build, go lurkers
flint jetty
What are you trying to get out of it?
solar rose
gc kinda shit for M+
spring iron
So much movement, right?
strange python
lurker has some downside to it, I got to see it today first hand
solar rose
If you cancel it after 20 stacks, there's very little downside to it, but it all depends on the content. You kinda want the buff perma if you're playing TTK and hitting env every other global
flint jetty
You can't cancel anymore?
solar rose
dang you cant? let me see
crimson condor
got 410 spyglass too
flint jetty
It was initially in the tooltip that you could but it's not there anymore
flint jetty
You were supposed to just have to reactivate it and it would cancel but it wasn't working for me
drifting cloud
I canceled it less than 1h ago fine
rigid mango
Why should you notbe able to
flint jetty
Unless you use a cancel aura macoro or something
strange python
u can cancel it by clicking on the icon in the buffs area
civic palm
I imagine the assumption is that you cannot hit the trinket again to cancel it.
solar rose
ya I was about to say, that'd be odd. You just make a /cancelaura macro
civic palm
Like any sane person would.
flint jetty
Yeah that's true. I just remember in teh tooltip when it was release it said reactivate to cancel or something along those lines.
But
i forget about /cancelaura macros sometimes lol
civic palm
200 sockets, fat MH and trinkets.
strange python
yea..
drifting cloud
COS boots and pants
flint jetty
The other rogue in my guild
Got 425 and 420 daggers from opulence in the same night
drop and brol
strange python
also I tried 3x DD 3x NP build on jaina today
i dropped it after 5 pulls
feel like 3rd overwhelming and 1ttk is so much stronger
flint jetty
Meanwhile ive rolled for daggers from opu and rasta everytime I've killed them and still only 1 415
civic palm
OP is near useless on Jaina due to the dot removing OP stacks.
Unless that was changed.
flint jetty
(β―Β°β‘Β°οΌβ―οΈ΅ β»ββ»
dark crag
I skipped opu this week
flint jetty
It hasn't
civic palm
mmm, dunno.
flint jetty
I wouldn't say usless, just half as effective intermission 1 on lol
civic palm
It's nice until you get to the actual fight itself.
flint jetty
still has an igcd iirc
strange python
https://i.gyazo.com/77949a2b709ee51e72571ff62ad87b45.png it actually got better once I got to the real fight
dark crag
How are your timings at m jaina as ma assa?
flint jetty
Are you getting 2 vendettas in p1 or just 1
drifting cloud
depends how fast you do p1 and 2
if you do p2 really fast it might still be on cd when wall comes up
flint jetty
Seems to come up about 63.5-62% for me after nerfs
drifting cloud
then if you use it on ele it dies in 10s anyways
and if you dont use it you lose a use anyways
flint jetty
forced to vendetta wall π¦
dark crag
I would like to cloak the 2nd ring in p1 because vendetta comes off cd, but i need to play firetruck for the βΏ
strange python
i cloak first ring
flint jetty
I do same actually
dark crag
I cloak first ring when avalanches happen prior
flint jetty
feelsbad getting avalance right out of first ring when you cloak it
dark crag
Jaina is like argus, she does her shit when she likes it, timer is -3 but she doesn't care
strange python
rng on jaina is stupid
echo cargo
is it worth swapping off of OP for Jaina in favor of Whirl or Gutripper?
strange python
can't count how many times i got rooted in a bomb
flint jetty
Jaina is worse than Argus
strange python
in last second
flint jetty
Argus would just delay scythe by a cpl sec I feel like
dark crag
I kick the last left add cloak and hold the door for these imbeciles
strange python
i used to run with cloak
and "soak" the things that iceblock you
LOL
so people didnt fuck up in intermission
dark crag
The gaps are wide enough up to the second add, then they get too tight
visual quartz
I hate bursting weeks, get my 10 done and done
tall basalt
ahhhhh
i only have one piece with SS left
and i keep getting pieces higher for that slot that dont have ss
i wanna upgrade but i don't want to lose my last ss
spring iron
Can anyone help me unfuck my azerite?
2xDD, 2xGR SoB, OP, ResPro., NP, Bul., SS, EB, Vamp
harsh sphinx
it really depends on what content you want to do. linking a sim would be more helpful
visual quartz
get rid of the DD fast as you can
spring iron
really?! wasn't that a top pick?
visual quartz
DD is top for ST, raids
spring iron
ok
harsh sphinx
looks like one of your weapons isn't enchanted either. like zeidrich said DD isn't very good for M+. SS/EB/TTK are ideal
spring iron
TTK?
harsh sphinx
twist the knife, envenom trait
harsh sphinx
ya
harsh sphinx
kinda depends on dungeon and affix but usually you run 3 or 2 EB yes
harsh sphinx
probably sim it in dungeon slice and try both. not sure. try and replace it for m+
visual quartz
if ya only doing M+ too prob rings/sockets could be crit/mastery to increase EB proc or bleed/psn dmg. but yeah your first one ya do with 2-3 EB and SS youll notice a huge difference
also roll PB instead of Crimson
spring iron
I'll try bombing
I liked being in control of Crimson, but less buttons is good?
you can't do double weapon enchants, right?
they are unique.
also trading BC for VIGOR
GC*
visual quartz
doing same enchant on weapon is not ideal, usualy 2 highest, but I guess crit master. someone could anwser that better maybe
spring iron
so now that I have redone most things....
My crit fluxuates between 24 and 30%
12% haste
40% mast
idk how much damage I did to my ST tho
idk if I should be concerned.
quick sim, I guess?
civic palm
Good enough probably.
visual quartz
you ST will always be lower than raid with DD but like 80% of M+ is mob dmg so going from 20k to 40k+ is better than losing 1-2k on ST
spring iron
so... I saw 30-49k AoE in FH
maybe 50
and a dismal 15k on some bossfights, but that's probably because one of my mousebuttons seems to be failing.....
signal summit
is dd or ss with subt the way to go in raids atm ?
i know how to sim myself etc but since i dont have the pieces i want to know what to aim for sicne im back from a break
spice surge
You can sim without having the pieces on raidbots.com
But DD is for ST, ss is for low target cleave, eb for high target aoe
warm drift
Or 3xDD 1xbbi 1x np 1x ttk
signal summit
i think i can get 3x dd 3x np easy, guild does 9/9 every week so
warm drift
Depends on your gear too
signal summit
only shoulders that might be hard
warm drift
Just be lucky
signal summit
easy
signal summit
how does assa pair against outlaw in m+ atm ?
warm drift
Pretty good
warm drift
You can have different playstyles as assa in m+ thata the cool thing
Full pad. More cleave. Or prio dmg. But you need the traits for it. While outlaw is easier to gear
flat wadi
In what timespace shoudl you refresh rupture and garrote?
signal summit
its 3 ss 3 eb thats bis i guesS?
for fortifited weeks
katakuri, do u know what pandemic is ?
warm drift
Depends i guess. Many people play with 1xss and 2xttk for more prio dmg
signal summit
ok ty
flat wadi
yeaj i know about pandemic, its when they overlap right?
signal summit
no its if
lets say you have a 30 sec rapture
at 30% of that rapture ( 10 sec ) , if u refresh it below that range the next rapture you do will be put on top
steep obsidian
signal summit
so u get a 40 sec rupture ( i know u cant get a 40 sec in reality) but u understand
flat wadi
thats what i mean
signal summit
rapeture
flat wadi
the duration overlap with eachother
signal summit
ah ok well then its correct
spice surge
@signal summit I assume your "master alch" meant master poisoner, and no you never take that in pve
It literally only affects deadly poison for dps
signal summit
no i meant master assasin, lol haha sry
holy fuck the jaina mount is ugly to ride at
hollow jungle
Dd x3 is mando, at least 1 np, then either ttk or TC fills the gaps for MA build.
I run dd x3, ttk, and either 2 np on like jaina cause low health a lot, or 1 np and 1 TC everywhere else for MA
zenith gust
that sweet bbi tho
lusty warren
howdy does anyone know which dungeon's most likely to drop a dagger? my rogue's somehow only gotten 1 so far and i need to farm one out before mekkatorque
aight thx
scenic saffron
I have 3EB + 2SS + 1TTK. But have no idea what stats i should aim for. Is dungeon slice on raidbots reliable? Do you guys have any idea how an ideal stat setup should look like ? My stats are 29-12-38-5
strange python
Max out Crit as much as you can. After that you want mastery. Then there is a small debate about haste. Personally I don't feel I need/want any at all(I am sitting at 6%). While some people aim for something between 8-12%
vast forum
Feelycraft is bae
tropic ocean
@scenic saffron you can sim 6 bosses patchwerk 40sec fight
its a good estimate for m+
distant lava
don't forget to turn bl off
zenith gust
with shadow meld can u re-apply empowered garrotes?
zenith gust
so it actually works in M+, even in bosses? thats interesting
zenith gust
ok
cobalt pelican
yeah, that's right
rigid mango
So being nelf gives you a little bit more
cobalt pelican
nelf has so much utility outside raid encounters that i think it's worth it
m+/spell immuning/maledict/whatever
and the 1% crit is pretty decent
if i run 3x ss patchwerk as nelf i sim at like 27.7 instead of 28.1 with ma and st traits which is pretty negligible given the flexibility it adds too
strange python
I am going x2 DD x2 NP and x2 meh traits on raid and rn i'm on opulence. I am always 20k+ dps. It will be better to go x2 SS x2 NP and x2 meh traits?
worldly iron
strange python
I sim'd. 24k single target with x2 DD x2 NP x2 randoms and cleave: 33,5k with x2 SS x2NP and x2 randoms
cobalt pelican
if you have a reliable topaz go ss, otherwise just play dd np
fiery cradle
vast forum
go EB on opulence, big pad big brain
100% crit cuz of topaz, take opal for bonus dmg and pump them foks
fiery cradle
opal + outlaw + tell ur raid to leave the adds alone exd
lean thorn
Incarnated just told me on his stream that it's useless to try to go for assa atm and building Outlaw is much easier and beneficial in terms of dmg output
Here I was told that assa is on par with outlaw atm and the difference is actually not that big at all
I dunno who to believe
simple meteor
it's not and this week on tyranical assa is so juicy 
lean thorn
I've just returned after half a year break and I'm deciding on which spec to gear for atm.
Will be boosted through the heroic raid for gear today and really dunno what to go for
Assa feels so much better lol
simple meteor
yeah outlaw is better if tank chain pulls with not stealth resets tbh if going normal they are on pair for sure
distant lava
outlaw is very slightly better than sin with high gear levels
but it's easier to gear for outlaw than sin
that's why he advised you to go for outlaw in the beginning
cause if you have meh traits on sins it's pretty garbo
tropic ocean
@strange python theres 2 options for opulence as assa, either go 3dd 3np(or 1 bbi, 1 ttk) and just pump single target when ruby stacks are high building with fok on adds or go eb and pump adds
both can give you a very decent log
strange python
thanks @tropic ocean
azure bluff
!essence
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First research 8.2 Sin Essence notes Thank you Tisumi: https://tinyurl.com/y6ouut2o
simple meteor
vestal wren
again π€
simple meteor
there is a blue post for ptr like 1-2 days ago did they update the essences?
uncut maple
is the next big patch coming somewhat soon or?
rigid mango
Probably late june/juli
tropic ocean
@spice surge come on push DPS
visual quartz
Seli and Eleem in same guild/raid, π―
solid nova
@marble hemlock Gz β€
marble hemlock
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marble hemlock
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tropic ocean
seli carrying
bleak spoke
@marble hemlock is there a vod of the 24 motherlode, i'm holding that key right now and i
am so scared to fuck it up
LOL
cobalt gyro
oh god thatsounds like an awful key
bleak spoke
Pog, around what time was it
cobalt gyro
about to do a 21 kr
bleak spoke
oh i found it haha
cobalt gyro
going sin for it, i hope to make seli proud
tropic ocean
dont fail
zenith gust
Can u link your twitch @marble hemlock ?
marble hemlock
just rightclick the name on the sidebar and click "watch stream" π
lusty warren
Hey, I'm usually playing Outlaw but I'm aiming to get my Ass spec on par for once my guild gets to Mekkatorque. Currently it's still simming 1.6k below my Outlaw spec, so I'm wondering if you have any suggestions on what I should focus on gear/talent-wise to improve: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rJXv7mDi12nC8QbSPScTCU
lusty warren
yeah my azerite's in the dumpster for now, just wondering if im on the right track or not
strange python
you have pretty much bis helm and shoulders
lusty warren
ah right now im gearing it exclusively for mekkatorque, but it might still be a bit much
i just figured a longer sim would work out better for that
lusty warren
i should be able to roll a chest next week at least
but atm we're not doing reclears so thats my only shot really
strange python
410 lurker, better 405 chest piece and 415 weapon
the chest piece is not easy to get since it's vendor rng
lusty warren
beats 405 at least
strange python
but any chest with double dose and nothing personal/covenant/ttk will do
lusty warren
alright im drowning on bonus rolls so that should be alright
glacial vault
whats the best opener to do as sin when playing master assassin?
bright smelt
What spec do you think would do better in Underrot 16? (usually only do around 15's or so), outlaw or assa this week
Sure it's not forti but there is some decently spicy trash in that dung. compared to others. That considered it's not really a dungeon where you do massive pulls either and it's Tyr.
meager nebula
Probably outlaw so you can have gouge as a pseudo kick, but at a 16 it probably wouldn't matter, just play whichever you're more comfortable with/ have better gear
bright smelt
Have about equal gear for both specs but just doing 15s with the grp (2x outlaws and 1 dh) it felt like we were lacking single target which is mostly why I considered it
meager nebula
ST doesn't matter too much on a fort week, since you'll mostly just want to blast trash
bright smelt
It's a tyr. week though! Assuming you just made a typ-o though
solar rose
Outlaw single target isn't far behind or ahead of assa, varies on traits for assa, but you probably don't want to go a full single target setup in a M+. Play whichever you're more comfortable with, they are both great.
meager nebula
Oh my b, my brain is still in last week apparently
marble hemlock
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solar rose
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solar rose
it has never left 
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harsh sphinx
real bay
prepare your assa
tropic ocean
It was never not prepared
did you think the lion was sleeping cause he didnt roar? π€
young socket
with reaping being gone, how's EB looking for s3? is SoB gonna be the new pick?
solar rose
Wonβt really know, depends on how the affix interacts with each dungeon. You generally make an assessment off that
worn violet
Think triple shrouded + eb will be the play still - strong single target, strong 3 target cleave, strong aoe - overall very decent.
strange python
lurker and dice/spyglass is the go to trinket combo
stray pumice
thanks!
bleak spoke
@marble hemlock what causes the witches to melee random targets in waycrest?
marble hemlock
interrupting one thats not empowered
makes them melee something thats in melee
so if you have prot you usually only need tank+1dps to interrupt main
and then others interrupt offtargets
so tank needs to be in melee of all 3 mobs
royal roost
Anyone have a problem on their rogue, when they exit a vehicle. Like mekka's robots, or taking the runback short cut in KR. When exiting a vehicle, your combo points won't show up at the top left under your hp bar as part of the default UI? /reload is the only fix i can find and thats pretty annoying to do in the middle of a fight
civic palm
I have never seen that (as I do not use that part of the UI), but it doesn't sound unreasonable, have you reported it?
solar bramble
so, question about rogue saps . . . . . theirs some incapacitates that you can walk right by the mob and some that aren't. rogue sap i believe is one you can walk by but blind isn't. is there a list somewhere that tells which is which so i know?
marble hemlock
its only rogue sap and dh imprison
solar bramble
if it's only those 2 then it's easy to remember
marble hemlock
all the others, so stuff like paralys, blind, polymorph etc. will put the person that gets close to them first into combat
but only 1 person
the others can then walk by
without getting into combat
so some skips include a blind or polymorph, 1 person "taking" aggro and getitng into combat, and then the rest passes
solar bramble
so if you para + blind, then the rogue walks by first then the others. the rogue can vanish before the cc ends and it'll stop the combat?
marble hemlock
if that person can then vanish or use invis/feign death, you can still skip the pack safely
solar bramble
good to know. and mobs that have true sight and are sappable can be shadow step sapped right?
if it's really quick. so a macro that does both
lethal heart
you'd rather distract sap
distract to side
and then sap
sap has like ~10yds range
you wanna distract them because distracting them reduces their true sight range
or well
solar bramble
ya ;been getting used to distract. . . . . like the truesight mech in front of the last boss in ML. whenever i distract and run by it's fine. but when i distract during shroud and we all run by he tends to turn and look. is it because someone is to close as i'm distracting? or do they interact differently
marble hemlock
basically, stealth detect is a cone like in the good old commandos oder desperados games
lethal heart
its weird to explain
marble hemlock
right in front of them they can detect very far, but to the sides/behind them its reduced (but not completely inactive)
solar bramble
well ;ya, i've always been able to distract true sight on my own and go past. but some cases the distract doesn't stop people in my shroud from being seen idk why
marble hemlock
non-rogues have lower stealthlevel, so where you might be safe to not be detected, they will be
its not shown anywhere anymore
solar bramble
hmm . . . . it's worked before is what's weird
shroud and letting all 5 of us pass. but sometiems it doesn't
marble hemlock
but for all intents and purposes, you have the same stealth-level at level 120, that a non-rogue would have in shroud at level 125
solar bramble
my theory is the mob is turning around and if their near me or ahead it sees them as it turns and aggroes but if they are far enough behind me the mob gets to fully turn they are fine
marble hemlock
since aggro-radius is calculates based on the level of the target and the player
nah
stealth-detect just isnt a permanent thing
its tick-based
so they check for "targets" in regular intervals
so unless youre taking your time, it should always be safe to go past the first robot in ML with a proper distract
solar bramble
hmm . . . . the confusing part is it works sometimes but others it doesn't . . . . on that pack specifically . . . and when it works the party is generally behind me when i distract and doesn't whenever their running ahead in shroud as i stop for a brief moment to aim sap correctly
marble hemlock
unless someone walks too close
idk, ive never had that problem. whenever someone pulled it, its because they went too close
solar bramble
possibly what happens
marble hemlock
very likely to be the cause, ye
solar bramble
they may be running mounted out of habbit while i'm still distracting and get there before i cast it correctly
since i know the range and they don't
hmm i'll have to test it
trying to get used to a few tactics that i don't ever get to use on lower keys since it wont matter. but are extremely useful later on
marble hemlock
ye
solar bramble
i ended up messing up a 13 ML because the distract went off and someone got seen. we wiped on that group which ended up costing us overall
marble hemlock
you should just distract first, and then use shroud
that way no one will feel the need to charge ahead π
solar bramble
how long does distract last?
marble hemlock
10seconds
lethal heart
its slightly more than 10 seli i think
solar bramble
so more than enough time
the thing
is i'm generally shrouding multiple packs
plus that one
so i can't just sit and wait
for more than maybe 2
marble hemlock
well, depending on how much time you have, the patterns for the patroling mechs is always the same
solar bramble
were alrea;dy in shroud past pack 2 or 3 when we reach that
it's not the patrolls that bother me
it's the pack right in front of the boss
marble hemlock
the tank should pull that one to the side
while the rest of the group passes without getting into combat, even if the shroud is already gone
solar bramble
could i do that as rogue as well? with evasion and shroud?
marble hemlock
technically
marble hemlock
but having the tank do it is much safer
esp since you can survive and you get to keep your cheatdeath for the boss
solar bramble
ya, i like having it up for the phase transition
btw is it a good idea to lust on that phase transition with the 2 adds out? i tend to lust there since i find them to be the most dangerous part of the fight
with a competent tank the rest of the fight doesn't even do damage outside the rocket cast at your healer
marble hemlock
every group does it differently depending on group composition, time constraints, affixes, cooldown situation etc.
lusting intermission is the safest approach
solar bramble
hmm . . . i do it there since thos guys seem to one shot people more often than anythign else i've seen on that fight. so i like to just kill them rapidly and remove the threat
marble hemlock
since the intermission is kind of on its own timer (the time it takes to bait 3 smashes) its not really saving time
solar bramble
is there any specific kill video for a high ML to look at. I like watching dratnos kills since he explains some things, but most of them were during 8.1 with infested isntead of reaping. and while boss fights etc. can remain the same, how you pull changes dramatically with reaping vs infested
or the other dungeons for that matter
marble hemlock
not aware of anyone doing commentated runs per-se
but theres plenty of rogue-streamer so if youre following some of them youre bound to find someone who did a ML ^^
solar bramble
hmmm . . . i'm still relatively new to keys over a 10 which are rather different. i've timed most of my 12-13's with the exception of that one ML where the distract was a bit off
we had 10 minutes to kill the last boss on time. and lost the key from the distract and time to rekill etc.
we even did a tank death skip type. but the healer decided to run in with the tank instead of wait and go to the side similar to how you said earlier . . . . so that caused wipe #2
everything else was hyper clean lol
marble hemlock
motherlode pugs are a bit weird
some use fairly advanced routes and strategies
others are still very vanilla
solar bramble
we used a vanilla approach since the tank wasn't comfortable with the group and didn't wanna take any risky skips
was in comms with the tank and they asked me if i was comfortable with the machine skip or to do it normal and be safe . . . . i responded that i'm relatively comfy with it, and well that didn't end up well . . . . hence why i'm trying to figure out how to do it correctly 100%
marble hemlock
its really no rocketscience
just distract to the left, pop shroud, and people need to be aware of where they can stealth past
solar bramble
ik but i aimed the dis
marble hemlock
if it still fails, its not your fault
solar bramble
well we were already in shroud since it was more than just that mob
so i had to distract whiel moving
i stopped for a second to distract and they ran ahead is what i think agroed it but i'm not sure
still had like 8-9 seconds on shroud so i wasn't in a rush . . . . they apparently may have been
the other stealth skip i find rough and wanna learn (may use a macro for) is sethraliss from the start to the first boss
crimson condor
anyone here good at simming that could give me a hand? got too many gear choices and having to run like 10 different sims to see what might be best lol
crimson condor
bleak spoke
@marble hemlock ah damn. we depleted a 24 cuz of that, was really sad ;-;
the witches melee i mean
hoary apex
is 17%haste , 36% mastery, 25% crit better? or is 20%haste, 30% mastery, 26% crit better for raiding?
strange python
Does feint work on bursting?
hoary apex
simmed and 36% mastery said its better, but I feel worse
rigid mango
there u go
stick it in there
and ther eu go
If it feels worse, sucks, it's better though
That's such insane feelcraft
strange python
Dungeon slice is not accurate
cobalt gyro
who said that
strange python
I said it
cobalt gyro
ok, but why
rigid mango
It's not
because it values haste too high
because it values the low target fights and boss fight too high
strange python
Does feint work on bursting?
cobalt gyro
with elusiveness it does
strange python
Any 3k rogues sin rogues in here?
strange python
Just curious how much crit they use for 3x echoing
cobalt gyro
seli doesn't run 3x echoing usually
cobalt gyro
yea just not as often as 2/2/2
rigid mango
uhh
pretty usre he's gonna be running it most times from now on
tbh
He sounded like it was his normal build for any fort week
3 eb 2 ttk 1 ss
cobalt gyro
seems rightr
rigid mango
Just to keep up w padlaw iirc
cobalt gyro
35+% is about what you want but that's a lot of crit, so it's ok to be a bit lower
rigid mango
I'd say aim for 35% and the put rest into mast and versa
depending on your other 3 traits
cobalt gyro
with my 2/2 i barely get it https://i.imgur.com/MxB4wGe.png
and that's with vigor fully stacked, so
strange python
Not sure I can get 2/2/2
rigid mango
strange python
Run 3 eb 2 ss 1 ttk atm
rigid mango
1 ttk isn't normally worth that much
since it's not worth to properly play around until you get to 2+ traits
strange python
I canβt justify using so little haste. Where does the damage come from