nah, its the ussual community interpretation
#assassination
cobalt gyro
Only needs a single trait, sin needs a very good set of gear to do equally well
minor garden
Well, the runs i see assa pulls 30% less then outlaw
cobalt gyro
30% less damage pretty much just means they don't blast reaping as hard as outlaw
but priority targets in a 3-5 mob pull?
they're probably destroying OL
real bay
30% less means they are not good
dark crag
I don't think the priority dmg gab between assa and outlaw is very high. It's there but outlaw is too easy to do well
fair gate
Good morning fellow rogues ! I will try to bee the clearer i can (obviously english is not my native ) . I'm a recent rogue player who just ding 120 . I prefer the sin gameplay over outlaw one ( playing gamble feel ... meh) And i'm a bit lost when i check azerites traits i'm suposed to get. I understand there is plenty build for sin but , with the fact i'm pretty new on this toon and in the extension , i would know if there is a "global" build to start aiming before checking for specifics ones ? I play in NM/HM raids and do some mm+ to help friends (so in a range of +5 / +10 , not over)
actually i run 1 SS , 1 NP and 1 EB and i feel pretty useless in multi AND in mono x)
Or maybe outlaw is more "noob friendly" for unstuffed boy ?
dark crag
Get 1 wits and be set. Assa alone needs many combos of ss ttk eb for different affixes dungeons
You run 3 azerites less than anybody else, you should have 6 major traits
Eb is useless in st
For raid get dd np and if you like the playstyle ss, else go ma spec
Raid has good chest and head so gamble for gorak shoulders
vestal wren
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dark crag
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vestal wren
wowhead guide is more in detail
dark crag
I thought it links wowhead
fair gate
oh ok , so obviously i have to get max NP , DD for ST but i will be "useless" for mm+ ? for these one i need an other stuff with EB and SS ?
vestal wren
not sure about ttk
rigid mango
Any mix of those 3, is good, when you have better opportunites later you can muck around with the balancing
Ttk is very good
2+ ttk is worth while playing, 1 isn't really
vestal wren
i know i get jumped on again but there is no actual prove ttk is super valuable there.
Changing your rotation to priorize env is potentially the main reason ppl use ttk for
vestal wren
yes but there is no actual connection to ttk there
rigid mango
You become sorta like a budget-pre-nerf-sub
vestal wren
other traits can work just as good for the prio damage increase
rigid mango
Yeah but with that you just spam fok into env
vestal wren
however the trait gives you the perception that its super good for it
rigid mango
And with tb one target gets nuked
It's also good for bosses
I mean ttk just increases damage by flat amount on env
You just spread dots with ss and 1/2 rup
Then start hard env dumping on 1 targrt
Not as good this week as others, but you have great control over what dies when
For bolst/sang etc
tropic ocean
well ttk increases the envenom dmg by a lot
and since u can just spam it in packs it gets super value
ever since I got 2 ttk i never wanted to go back
rigid mango
Idk pressing 1 fok to get cp to just do env fok env fok on a target with tb on it with 2+ ttk traits
Feels amazing
That thing fucking dies fast
tropic ocean
when last it was bolstering it felt so amazing
rigid mango
Yah
tropic ocean
being able to solo make targets die at the same time
even with 400 500k hp difference
tropic ocean
did a 20 atal and in the pack after totem boss
i basically did 70% of hexers dmg
which is super good cuz the casts shred
rigid mango
Not skipping that pack 
tropic ocean
the one downstairs
rigid mango
Ah
tropic ocean
with 2 stalkers
tropic ocean
nah ever since I saw when someone showed me to shroud from stalker 2 packs into totem boss
never played it differently
routes get better and betetr with mdi too
my last atal 19 was like 50sec left
rigid mango
Shroud and vanish/meld run out
tropic ocean
now with better route atal 20 with like 3min left or smth
rigid mango
Hellla neat
tropic ocean
well no vanish out for me as sin but we had hunter so he took care of it
tropic ocean
maybe it a little bit placebo but at current state i'd even drop down to 1 eb and use 3ttk 2ss 1eb
the dmg value feels just so much better than the eb pad
rigid mango
I'm running 2 ttk 2 ss 1 eb 1 bbi
tropic ocean
and the overall isnt significantly lower
rigid mango
Feels pretty nice ngl
tropic ocean
i think my best motherlode with 3eb was 47k~
last motherlode I did with 2 eb 2ttk 2ss was 43k so
who cares
sacred vale
whats the best built for assassin this week for pluses
tropic ocean
the one you can play with
sacred vale
i havent played assassin in awhile i just got my rogue to 120 barely a week ago and was playing outlaw but its not cutting it for st
tropic ocean
well theres no "best" build
it depends on your gear, group constellation
any combination of traits shrouded suffocation/twist the knife/echoing blades is fine
sacred vale
alrighty
guess ill just see what i got im sure it will be better than outlaw this week with the gear i got
spice surge
Also, outlaw isn't bad for st. It's probably more about your gear/play
sacred vale
ya
i mean im like 390 simming barely 17kish
will resim again and see about changing things
that and im still getting use to the dice thing
is there an addon for the roll of dice buffs or is it just say f it and look at ur buff area
cosmic pier
how do you use vend + vanish in the MA build, with regards to TB alignment? is it fine to just vend>vanish>env >mut>env if TB isnt up, or should i wait for TB?
fallow carbon
so which is more important, getting a 3rd envenom during toxic blade, or refreshing rupture / garrote if they'll fall off while doing the 3rd envenom ?
cosmic pier
refreshing rup/garrote, losing the energy is huge. as long as get 2 envenoms in a TB its fine
try for 3 but be ok with 2
also not getting any pandemic has the knock on effect of costing more energy later (having to refresh the dots sooner)
hot urchin
What would guys consider a good amount of haste to be at 400?
cosmic pier
what ever the sims tell you that you need
there's no such thing as breakpoints anymore, just what stat gains improve your dps the most
hot urchin
Perfect, thanks!
spice surge
@cosmic pier Ideally you want to vanish inside tb+vendetta
But as always, if delaying means you lose a cast it's not worth, but most of the time you don't lose a cast
hot urchin
I saw a video that said to vanish after your opener when you’ve pooled enough energy, then TB out of stealth into your rotation
cosmic pier
yeah thats what i assumed, just delay the vend+vanish since youre less likely to lose a cast of it
spice surge
You don't need to vanish right after you vendetta
You can tb+vanish 10 sec into vendetta
Which means you'll have to hold it the next time sure, but you don't need to hold vendetta much at all
cobalt gyro
only time you really hold vend is to line up vanish with it
when you're running subt
cosmic pier
also for jaina, is it worth cracking a second set of cd's on the boat? I only have to wait ~20 secs once we start p2 for them to be back up
spice surge
If it means your push timings are better, sure
But it doesn't really matter
You're only gonna get 1 vendetta in P2 regardless
marble hemlock
if you dont need the 2nd set of cooldowns to transition before the 3rd ring, id suggest holding it
and getting a properly setup burst window in p2. if you pop CDs at the end of p1 a second time, youre gonna get the 3rd vendetta ~around the 2nd barrel, which has a lot more movement than the first
cobalt gyro
hot urchin
trying to create a TB buff timer weakaura... do you guys know if the 9 seconds start on a successful cast, aka you hit the target? for example it won't start if the TB gets dodged/parried etc
karmic ingot
Debuff doesn’t get applied if TB gets parried.
hot urchin
ah its a debuff, that makes things easier
i was making it an even
event**
thanks!
karmic ingot
Also, if you use the template in Weak Auras it’ll take care of all of that for you. If you need to know whether or not the debuff gets applied from a parried hit, you’re probably doing a lot more work than you need to.
hot urchin
yeah true, thank you!
karmic ingot
@marble hemlock do you end up losing a vendetta over the course of the fight if you hold it for P2? I’ve been using mine at the end of P1 to try to push before more bombards, avalanches, etc. but it definitely makes it awkward to use in P2.
marble hemlock
no
you will get 4 vendetta
or 3, if you hold on to it because dps in p1 doesnt matter
you can get 2 in p1, 1 in p2, 1 in p3. if you dont use the second one in p2, you still only get one in p2, but with a better timing
karmic ingot
Gotcha. So 1 less in total. I’m guessing overall damage ends up being about the same but you have more damage in the later phases.
spice surge
Overall damage is entirely irrelevant unless youre trying to parse
karmic ingot
Yeah I know.
Pushing phase 1 before the second bombard from the third ship makes everything a lot cleaner though. We’re not always doing that consistently. I’ve been using my second vendetta to push P1 but we also haven’t gotten to the wall yet. I’m not sure if it’s going to mess up my timings later in the fight.
marble hemlock
vendetta will barely help with that, since on most pulls that bombardement comes in at ~2minutes and 10seconds
so even if you 2nd vendetta p1, it wont really help with transitioning the boss faster, since youll pop it like 3% before transition
spice surge
Not if you cloak the second ring, then you get most of the vendetta of
marble hemlock
meh, sure, but then you cant help soak swirlies in intermission
ornate osprey
1 question about m+ this week. it is tyrannical but with easy affixes. so more mobs can be pulled. should i use 2 EB 2 SS 1 DD 1NP or 2 SS 1 EB 1blightborne infusion 1 NP 1 dd
marble hemlock
do you have some other pieces that doesnt have NP?
or DD
neither one of these traits are very good for m+, even on tyrannical
crystal vessel
Is TTK really that far behind DD/SS and NP?
marble hemlock
for singletarget? nah
its not great, but its not terrible by any means either
the cephalohide chest for example has TTK+DD+OP and sims higher than mekka which has NP+DD and a slightly worse t3 trait
so its not like theres a huge discrepancy
crystal vessel
Just depends on if you want bigger burst damage or more sustained?
rigid mango
It's not far behind damage wise in the end
Highest simming ST azerite set up includes 1 ttk
since cephalohide chest has OP on it
It's not bad if you can pick it, but there are certain better picks
hardy mulch
whats the other 5 in this sim?
hardy mulch
y
rigid mango
Highest ST trait sim is 3dd 1 np 1 bbi 1 ttk 3 op
1st boss helm/goraks/ceph
if there was a chest with dd np op that'd sim higher than ceph
but atm, there isn't, so on the basis of 3 op ceph sims higher than spymasters/mekka
fallow carbon
bbi = blightborn infusion ?
tropic ocean
yes
ornate osprey
so i can go 3 ss 2 eb 1 bbi for m+
tropic ocean
yeah you can
tribal marlin
worth taking KR tank trinket for M cabal ?
1mn30 cd for 70k absorb sound like I could take debuff 100% with that
dark crag
does someone sim +27k here?
tribal marlin
I do why ?
dark crag
can i have a look at your gear?
tribal marlin
erf not really since I'm geared for M Cabal right now (with 3xSS etc...)
I have 3xDD 2xNP 1xTC and 8 sockets
415 ilvl
dark crag
405 plumage 420 deadeye
dark crag
maybe i could get a bit more with all azerites i have but i love sub too much to give it up
tribal marlin
and i'm around 26.9k too
you won't get much more sim dps with azerite unless you don't have 3x Overwhelming power and can get it
dark crag
got so excited when a trinket dropped first hc week, then i saw it and my day was ruined
dark crag
F
tribal marlin
actually it's really hard to use
the dot is nasty
unusable on most high keys, not usuable on Mythic progression
dark crag
i thought so
tribal marlin
it's splashed over 30sec but it still deal around 170k damage overall
harsh sphinx
Just gotta get more sockets https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qfPLJ3hyVnmiB3K1qHULUA
rigid mango
Just get the CoS trinket
desert orchid
is nothing personal worth stacking?
desert orchid
stacked np better than a single np and a tk?
rigid mango
Depends
In what context and what your pieces, simming is gonna be the answer my dude
np as is sims better than ttk
but depends on third ring too^^
desert orchid
I have a head, unstable, and elemental
desert orchid
thx
bitter palm
I don’t have lurkers trinket yet but is there a guide on using it for a good stretch of time? Just communicating to healers that you’re a priority and cloaking the worst?
rigid mango
I mean just telling them
you know, taking about 10k a tick here a HoT or two would be neat
civic palm
It's not that much damage to begin with, just surprise them.
rigid mango
that's about it, it's not enough to be actually scary
bitter palm
Ah I’d read before the dot got really high. That’s not bad at all
royal lantern
allright, i have a question, is the envenom dmg calculated the moment you use the skill, or the moment you hit the enemy and the dmg number shows up?
example: TB at 1sec left, you use envenom, and hit the enemy when the tb timer is at 0
still tb buffed or not?
spice surge
Wdym, there is no traveltime for envenom since its a melee skill
It hits when you press it
civic palm
Just open the Combat Log and see for yourself :3
humble crane
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/362585425342234624/572153510490275840/unknown.png
Wish I got this opener every pull on cabal mythic -.-
nocturne gate
do u guys take all buffs at td 17+ ?
rigid mango
Depends on group
but I normally just take the ones on our side
Cba taking other side, td is easy enough to time
nocturne gate
i thought that also
rigid mango
Although if you don't have int/ap buff with heavy caster/heavy melee might be worth
idk, most of the time is made up by the cannon thos
lost horizon
tyrannical the wisdom buff is realllly nice
shy dust
What are the reccomended traits for M+?
wooden fog
@royal lantern at 0 seconds it still applies before the buff is still up as it shows the 0 second timer. Typically I mixmax by using this principle.
crystal vessel
@humble crane who the heck burst that?!
tropic ocean
@shy dust any combo of ttk ss eb is good
shy dust
and any general idea of what good stats to go for are?
civic palm
tropic ocean
For m+ crit/mastery is ur best friend
humble crane
Me with 9 stack
echo sphinx
is it viable or worth while to level or M+ as Sin?
solid nova
Yes
humble crane
@rose perch I was talking to you about whether you would drop a SS for more ST the other night on your stream. Wondering how your burst window compares to mine (have to scroll up a little) during lust/9stack burst on cabal.
rose perch
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zngLtpvT2FZfYBDW here's the most recent night of prog i did
fossil zenith
it doesnt matter which weapon has what enchant right? so long as I have two different ones?
humble crane
Pretty close then. Are you raiding tonight @rose perch
solar bramble
so close to GoT lol. my guild shut off sunday raiding till GoT is completed
fossil zenith
anyone?
solar bramble
it doesn't matter no fel
fossil zenith
ty ty
nimble tartan
I was running a 1 ss setup for m cabal and liked it a lot averaged like 43k dps over the course of the night like 30 pulls
It felt good to me i do think that more ss setup probably more overall dps but the 1 felt good playin it I felt like my st push damage to phase was a lil more value and I wasn’t losing out too much on other stuff
tropic ocean
@strange python it is perfectly viable
woven summit
Yo, what do you think about the CoS trinket? Is it really that BIS?
spice surge
Why wouldnt it be?
As long as you dont die by using it, its an incredibly strong trinket
sturdy python
This is for MM hunter, I wonder how it would fair with vendetta though
Ah nvm, trueshot has CDR
gray barn
Mythic Stormwall talent set-up 2/3/1/0/0/2/1?
dark crag
Standard ma st build
woven summit
The pants and boots from CoD are BIS as well?
outer ruin
Anyone having difficulty with Apophic blast hitting melee despite being WAY more than 5m away from the Zax tank? Getting 1shot with PP due to Apophic blast and I'm dumbfounded
rose compass
Good evening everyone. Im fairly new to raiding as a rogue though i have always played melee. Would anyone mind looking over my armory and maybe suggesting where i can improve? https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/the-scryers/tnomax
It says outlaw but i am assassination
lusty narwhal
Good solid traits, trinkets okay, only thing I can tell you to fix there is increase the amount of haste you have
12% is pretty low
rose compass
I have all the haste i can get with my current gear just gotta get more gear
lusty narwhal
Thats about all you can do then really
rose compass
whats a good amount to aim for? in a general sense
woven summit
Depends on your goals in the game.
rose compass
i just wanna contribute to my raid
woven summit
I have 20% haste and haven't raided mythic yet only cleared heroic BoD and CoS
I do over 20K dps
depending on fights
rose compass
im not a mythic raider and dont plan to be just normal and heroic
woven summit
then if you can get around 20% you are great
woven summit
what was ttk again? i'm always losing myself with these acronyms
rose compass
twist the knife
rose compass
k thanks
woven summit
np
prisma sail
Hey all, I ran Subterfuge for a long time, then switched to MA because it simmed 200 dps higher, but I've been told SF is still beneficial in M+, etc and to still run it. thoughts?
?
civic palm
It is.
woven summit
cant do keys without subterfuge, you need it to line up your garrotes
glacial jasper
I find exanguinate far more fun in dungeons
glacial jasper
Any idea how much cost of items for titan resedium will go up in 8.2
meager nebula
only theories so far, nothing confirmed yet
stone crescent
BBI over TC? I have all 3 bis azerite bits at 415. Or just Sim? Wasn't sure how good Sims are for proccing effects like bbi
meager nebula
sims accurately display proccing effects.
muted jacinth
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glacial jasper
@drifting cloud that’s pretty steep
drifting cloud
dont think its offical, but yeah they dont want people to gain a big edge
glacial jasper
Almost 200k for pick a piece
meager nebula
its mostly to avoid the high end teams walking in with 3 pieces of max ilvl azerite
but the price isn't confirmed officially yet
glacial jasper
Yea, I get not official
I wouldn’t think 25 times is done that’s a bonkers amount
What was the increase last time
drifting cloud
just to make your hoarded one as irrelevant as possible
meager nebula
15 times i believe
drifting cloud
it was around 10x
meager nebula
it was a bit under 10 actually
glacial jasper
70k seems more realistic
drifting cloud
it will be bigger than before for sure
because residium mechanic came in the middle of the tier and they were able to stack up so much for BOD
if it only went x10 like oceblade said all top guild will have x3 mythic azerite before they even step into it
strange python
people figure out a talent set theyre running consistently? or does it switch up weekly for m+
was thinking of trying out 3ttk 2eb 1ss, but not sure if i'd lose a lot of value from garrotes doing that
stable pine
3ttk is feelsbad - my opinion though - everyone else seems to dig it
strange python
that's what i've been reading also. i'm still running 3eb/ss but boss damage is pretty low
stable pine
I’ve been running 3eb/2ss/1ttsk boss dmg is also low hahaha
strange python
actually, yeah. i'm running 3eb 2ss 1ttk LOL
i mean, i guess in that sense, losing 1 eb and ss for 2x ttk would boost boss dmg by a fair bit as well as not losing all too much on adds
near pilot
is tricks broken for anyone else? my clique bind isnt working, tried a focus macor, even just targetted the tank and hit it from spell book and it always says invalid target all of a sudden
meager nebula
does your tank have a neural silencer
near pilot
multiple tanks, and current one doesnt
near pilot
nothing just the glowing glove, then if i click on tank invalid target
meager nebula
were they mounted
drifting cloud
if it doesnt work from spellbook its neural silencer
not sure what else it could even be
near pilot
noway my whole party has em, their not that good at trolling lol
near pilot
damn, ill figure it out
drifting cloud
maybe you have an addon that hides the buff of it or something
valid cipher
@near pilot got the same prob. Just replace the spell on your bar by the spellbook once. Worked for me
patent elk
Is it possible to interrupt Aspix's Jolt cast in temple without taking any dmg from lightning shield?
meager nebula
A focus kick macro prevents you from auto attacking him and getting hit I believe
near pilot
@valid cipher thanks but not same for me 😦 ill try some stuff out
valid cipher
If you focus the tank and click on tricks directly in the spellbook, what happens?
shrewd night
Coming from outlaw Im having some questions regarding EP. Back in Antorus I remember being golden if the next finisher I cast was still within the previous EP window. Yet now I dont neccesarily see that being possible most of the time, either because of unlucky crits or too low energy regen. Is EP something we play around at all, possibly is it just me needing to calm my outlaw fingers and slow down the pace?
distant helm
I personally cant keep it up on pure single target fights, during vendetta i usually try to use the finisher at the last second so you still get the bonus dmg
harsh sphinx
it's much more methodical compared to outlaw imo , some say boring but i enjoy it. i think TB windows play a bigger factor than EP
and getting them crits
signal salmon
@shrewd night ep is just to buff dd trait as for me
Also, in legion u vanish with Master assassin at 5 Cp. Now u enter with no Cp at all to start tb window and proc DD twice
dark crag
Or vanish tb env mut
Or tb vanish mut env mut
You see all kind of stuff but they all crit in ma window. No crit = unlucky
tribal marlin
as long as manage to fit TB -> Mut -> Env in your EP windows I think you fine
real bay
wouldn't worry a lot about EP , properly doing TB windows is higher importance ,2-3 env on each
serene elbow
is it possible to survive the crushing doubt aoe dmg (#2) on mythic restless cabal while u have 9 stacks of the dmg buff/debuff with only feint ?
marble hemlock
feint doesnt work on crushing doubt
the only way to survive it consistently, is to run 3 resounding protection, get a disc preshield, and pre-feint with elusiveness talented
2RP are fine too, but that requires people to run out properly so you only take 40k per hit, so 80k in total
with elusiveness thats ~60k damage after mitigation, and you get ~45k absorb from 2RP+Preshield
spice surge
Get dispelled
spice surge
Play another class
marble hemlock
i just described it?
spice surge
And/or complain on reddit until they fix feint
marble hemlock
get resounding protection traits, talent elusiveness, make sure the disc pre-shields you every time. you will still need a dispel prior to fathuul transitions
i tried with 1RP+elusiveness+preshield, and it wasnt enough
that was 1RP. with a second one, i wouldve survived with like 3k HP
serene elbow
there is a guild halcyon tehy played with 2 rogues and neitehr of them has any resounding protection trait
and in they kill vid, rogue pov he just stays 100% hp with not using anything
cobalt gyro
fake news
tribal marlin
1st you survive because only 4-5 stacks, 2nd you should have Raptured pws + Barrier + SLT, then you can survive another one with Cheat death and you should have Barrier+SLT combo for 4th
serene elbow
cobalt gyro
serene elbow
hes getting dispelld but after chrushing doubt or nah ?
marble hemlock
they just all stack up in the priestbubble and have both discs blanket the raid with rapture shields
tribal marlin
with 2 disc you'll never die from that shit
marble hemlock
theres no difference between having 1 or 2 disc
1 disc can blanket most people who dont survive it by themselves
and you cannot stack priestshields
tribal marlin
yes you can ?
anyway 2disc is a constant thing in multiple kill we saw on this boss there is a reason
tribal marlin
doesn't WS only apply for the caster ?
serene elbow
ok, thank you Seliathan
spice surge
Well
With 2 disc you have rupture more often and more barrier
Which means stronger shields
serene elbow
& odowla
spice surge
But you cant have multiple shields no
spice surge
Wait the disc is the video used regular barriers
tribal marlin
you can stack shield bro
wake up
you can put 12 shield on the same guy if you have 12 priest ...
cobalt pelican
are you drunk
cobalt gyro
there's a debuff you get that prevents you from doing that
tribal marlin
it only prevent the caster from spamming shield
cobalt gyro
no
cobalt pelican
the person who gets the shield gets weakened soul preventing further shields..
even when weakened soul wasn't a thing last tier
tribal marlin
it was made so that priest can spam shield on multiple people but not on the same guy
cobalt pelican
you couldn't 12 shield someone
cobalt gyro
solid nova
cobalt pelican
the more powerful shield overwrote the less powerful shield
solid nova
Not sure what you're talking about there mate.
cobalt pelican
they didn't stack infinitely
cobalt gyro
if it worked that way, i mean
why wouldn't you just full stack disc priests
and literally ignore every mechanic ever
marble hemlock
the tooltip may say "you cannot be affected by that players shield again" but it applies to all priests
tribal marlin
since you obviously never played priest
marble hemlock
there are fringe cases when everyone uses pw:s at the exact same time
where they can apply multiple shields due to the ws debuff not being present yet server-side
marble hemlock
no
spice surge
Well, show us a log with that then
marble hemlock
as i said, there can be fringe cases where its possible
is that 1discshield +1sp shield?
tribal marlin
yes it is
marble hemlock
so youre literally taking the one exception of the rule
which i already mentioned
its called rapture
which SPECIFICALLY circumvents the "only 1 shield per caster" rule
to say "ye, you can have more than 1shield"
tribal marlin
ok imma take another screen
solid nova
Does this come back around to #assassination at any point or is it priest lessons?
sturdy python
According to priest disc multiple priests can shield the same target
tribal marlin
2 disc 2 shield 2 WS and number are confimed with the wa
marble hemlock
well, it started with the question of whether assa can survive crushing doubt without RP
tribal marlin
yes so I tell you if you have 2 disc priest you can easily survive no matter what
marble hemlock
but i guess i learned something new then. weird how not a single player in the entire raid got a double-shield that wasnt cast with 1 priest having rapture up 🤷
tribal marlin
best thing is to get a weakaura that actually count up how many damage you can take
so you know if you need to use c os or not
marble hemlock
in any case, even double PW:S is not enough to survive crushing doubt unless the raid uses even more externals (as in the video linked its devotion aura+pw:b) unless youre playing elusiveness and prefeint it properly
tribal marlin
yes it isn't enough (without rapture should be around 45k absorb) but you can
add this some stuff like inge belt
marble hemlock
seems to have been a 8.1 change btw, wasnt aware of that, so sorry for the misinformation
tribal marlin
it's fine and it's indeed a 8.1 change
marble hemlock
its still barely worth it, considering you have to dispell only slightly later for fatguy transition anyway
tribal marlin
back 8.0 priest could spam shield anywhere anyday but then they put this back to prevent theim from spamming shield on the same target
marble hemlock
while rogue can do significant dps if you can keep the debuff rolling, it requires some investment in the form of gear and raid-attention, im not sure if id ask my discs to preshield properly every single time just for a slight dps increase
tribal marlin
but for M Cabal I think there is maximum 4 time where you will actually tank Crushing doubt with stacks
marble hemlock
the transitions line up pretty well with 2mins, so you can get a full debuff vendetta out every ~2mins anyway without having to play around absorbs that much
tribal marlin
that's the idea
only get that full stack for your vendetta
and it should line up with multiple raid cd
like Rapture / Barrier / SLT
using Cheat death for tanking one
can also be a thing
marble hemlock
i tried maximizing promise uptime last raid and it didnt feel worth it, so ill just take the debuff now whenever i can unload CDs, play the appropriate azerite to maximize dps within those windows, and then just do regular cleave and help soaking instead
tribal marlin
you'll only do 4 anyway
cobalt gyro
and just play around the BIG burst
marble hemlock
i ran 2scent and could hold 50-60k
but its so much more attention required
and not worth the risk
cobalt gyro
that sounds like a lot of work
i definitely found SS traits the play on that fight ho
marble hemlock
it is, and i died a handful of times or hit a stun cause playing melee multidot on that mess of a fight (as in visual mess) is just insane
spice surge
@marble hemlock I could run 3x scent and 3x ttk with 2x rp 🤔
cobalt gyro
btw
marble hemlock
dont
cobalt gyro
you're a fucking wizard for TTK build
finally had my group pull enough to make it worth
marble hemlock
im pretty confident in my ability to multidot and still be aware of my surrounding
spice surge
Oh mb its 2x ttk and 1ss
spice surge
Yeah im probably not going to, but that seems like the log setup
marble hemlock
eihtere you play safe, lose uptime, and then scent isnt worth it
or you do, and youre gonna have eagle-eye rank5
cobalt gyro
literal bggest brain play
marble hemlock
well, the giga-parse setup is to either run 3RP and just keep the debuff, or just have priests pre-shield properly
cobalt gyro
run 3 RP + engi belt
spice surge
564 agi per rupture target with 3scent 🤔
tribal marlin
check out thoose 2 rogue that killed the boss
spice surge
Big agi
tribal marlin
they did the thing pretty properly with taking 4 debuff
tribal marlin
(other rogue in the log only take 1 debuff at the start)
cobalt gyro
bc to maximize the buff you wanna be spamming out ruptures
but then it feels like a waste because all you're doing is tab rupture tab
marble hemlock
well, the 2nd vendetta lineup is pretty bad
i suppose you could proc CD on purpose there
marble hemlock
well, they still feint curhsing doubt w/o elusiveness
even tho regular feint doesnt work 😄
marble hemlock
at this point, feint hasnt reduced fall-off damage on any of the major fights in the last ~3tiers
the last one i recall where it did still work, was nighthold
both elisande tank-debuff and anomaly bombs could be reduced with feint as far as i recall
every mechanic that came after or even some that came before that had more than just a strict damage-component (i.e. dresaron aoe was damage AND a knockback) feint was very unreliable and more often than not did not work
timid cloud
What about Kin’goroth?*
deft bolt
we knew feint didnt work on the doubts, usually its muscle memory or running out of melee and being energy capped etc
marble hemlock
its just the muscle memory of "taking damage, lets feint" that weve been accustomed to
as i said, fall-off damage has been very weird recently
maybe bombs were different because its not based on distance to a player, but a doodad
whereas siegebreaker/crushing doubt are
but in the end its just something thats not consistent, period, so we have to figure out what it works on and where it doesnt work
deft bolt
if you have healers with the absorb trinket (from uunat i think) you can survive 9 stack promise, thats how we did it every second one
the other we had a cd stack for
timid cloud
It doesn’t work on KR final boss either?
marble hemlock
nope
deft bolt
we assumed we needed to have very good promise uptimes on everyone since we couldnt class stack
fallen bay
should i be buying 415 azerites if i got only 1 or should i keep residium for 8.2 ?
marble hemlock
do you need/want upgrades now? then buy them now
fallen bay
don't think it will make big diff for 15/16+ key right ?
marble hemlock
hard to say, depends on the azerite you currently have 😄
and what you consider "a big difference"
specific max-ilvl azerite with 8.2 will be ~30-40k i imagine
probably more
fallen bay
well i am able to have 3EB and 3TTK, not at the same time and having perma 1 SS at least
marble hemlock
so saving up a couple of thousand now will not really allow you to get a new max ilvl azerite the moment the patch drops
well, that seems good enough i suppose
but again, even random max ilvl will probably be somwhere around 15-20k
timid cloud
Certain stuff is just gonna bang you if you don’t have 415’s in Tyran.
plucky oak
random will cost 43125 residuum
spice surge
It was sloot that said it from the summit
He said they were considering increasing the cost/reward per tier by 5x instead of 3x as it is right now
Which would be 25x as expensive
marble hemlock
we had a ~9times increase in cost between the two previous tiers, so it'd be weird to suddenly have a much much bigger one
timid cloud
Saving up like 5k won’t really matter then if that’s the case.
marble hemlock
esp since it would still allow people with gear-share raids to funnel enough azerite into a single person so hes able to buy a maxlvl piece the moment the new raid comes out
spice surge
Tbf method is gonna be able to do that for most of their players almost regardless of what they price them at 😄
Josh' hc run the week before crucible gave him 2.4k residum
timid cloud
Josh & Frag gonna run 15 splits a week again.
light kestrel
Is there a macro I need to cancel the CoS trinket, like the one we used in HFC for soul cap
cobalt gyro
@marble hemlock should i try my shrouded + BBi piece for my ttk set or just leave it, do you think
bleak spoke
@marble hemlock racing flag on kr last boss is fkn god tier
Thanks for the recommendation!
And the macro xd
north star
is it normal for plumage + galecaller together simming much lower than pretty much any other combination of good trinkets? (plumage + dice , plumage + dead-eye , boon + dice, boon + deadeye, etc..) i don't get it
heavy trail
2xuse trinket
spice surge
Because using one on-use trinket puts the other one on a 20s cd
So you cant use them at the same time, which makes one of them A LOT worse
marble hemlock
@bleak spoke hm, not even sure what i'd use flag for on KR last boss, but glad its working
eb is overrated
cobalt gyro
but my pad 
harsh gate
Hey guys starting cabal tried today(guild allready had some enrage wipes). I read that you can survive the aoe with RP traits? Is that correct ? Don’t want to try it out and sabotage
real bay
anyone running masterful navi for m+?
nocturne gate
the daggers carry u @mighty elm :D
quasi pewter
everyone actually has gorak tul and cephalo kms
shouldve just saved for specific from the start but i guess i wouldnt have any outlaw/m+ gear in that case
but gambling the same shoulders 6 times was fun
nocturne gate
hail the rngesus
quasi pewter
ive gambled every shoulder atleast once so far
mighty elm
@nocturne gate not rly 😄 its the boots n trinket
quasi pewter
apart from gorak tul
:))
and 6x tentacle laces 4x pistoleers i think
meanwhile there is people with 29k+ sim
quasi pewter
IMGINE
10 is low propably more like 16 so far
but im saving now
if you take expected value buying specific is only very slightly better than gambling anyway, + you get some offspec pieces, but i guess i should have stopped after 3 or so
wary ice
UHhh
spice surge
No
wary ice
If ur asking if your loot lockouts are still locked; they are
exotic widget
ah k ye was asking that if u can join 2 different raids on same char per week
that have both killed atleast 1 boss
spice surge
You cannot no.
exotic widget
ok ty
woven summit
I had relative luck with my gambles on pieces
dark crag
finally 27k club https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iARWE6AhMFBbDwacxN2jLN
slim socket
slim socket
everything in one week
dark crag
without gift i wouldn't be +27k
short wasp
Are those traits for pure ST?
dark crag
which chest is bis?
half gust
Cephalohide Jacket probably
dark crag
got gold tasseled shoulders 3 times in a row
i feared the 4th and rolled chest
i went mythic real quick. finally 29k https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kUAAF4wzKgbNSV3KsydJP7
woven summit
Yo
Is the scuffed trinket from the second boss in CoS good for aoe?
the Idol of Indiscriminate Consumption
languid ore
It's trash from what I'm told. Maybe good for PvP. In AOE or something dumb
strange python
12 sockets? eat a dick 😦
rigid mango
Think it's just with item ID's, posted a sim earlier with 27.3
strange python
ye i know, no one is gonna be that lucky 😃
spice surge
Well you definitely can be
rigid mango
Rise who posted his sim has supposidly highest sim of all sin rogues according to warcraftlogs
but it's not very accurate
spice surge
Not gonna get 12 425s with sockets
But getting 410s ish just requires lots of play and slight luck
vestal wren
29k simdps O.o
rigid mango
Yeah if you're spamming 10+ all day
You're bound to get a good amount of them
There isn't a list of the highest sims anywhere is there?
spice surge
I have 7 sockets, but unfortunately no lurkers yet so 😦
spice surge
Only 1 that is 420, rest is 400-415s
I had 9 sockets late uldir 😄 But then i also played a lot more pvp
rigid mango
Currently got 5 sockets so
spice surge
And pvp is definitely more gear than m+, but requires you to be high rating and actually win games, so its signifciantly harder
spice surge
But obv it cant give trinkets (now that lurker>pvp trinkets) nor 2p cloak/ring
spice surge
Assuming same ilvl yeah
rigid mango
Can't get a dice to forge for the life of me so never getting that
running fucking ML trink 
spice surge
Just get a 400 socket :^)
lost horizon
oof
lost horizon
sockets are ridiculous rn
spice surge
@lost horizon 8.2 has epic gems
spice surge
So its 60 per socket instead 😄 😄 😄 😄
rigid mango
yikes
spice surge
or 120 agi
spice surge
Not by much though, since the scaling of gear isnt linear
rigid mango
My friend got a 415 socketed dice on his dh alt
lost horizon
honestly you shouldn't be able to get sockets randomly
rigid mango
When I boosted him :^)
lost horizon
it should be fixed
spice surge
A 5 ilvl titanforge is worth a lot more from 420>425 than 385>390
lost horizon
either per equip slot or per item
spice surge
Yeah idk
rigid mango
Idk feels weird that sockets are just worth that much
lost horizon
make all rings have sockets since it's insane to balance them with random sockets
spice surge
Imo its fine, but it should be capped at something so you cant run around with 10 sockets 😄
lost horizon
or make them never be able to get sockets
capping # of sockets equippable is sort of gross
rigid mango
do rings have a higher socket chance?
lost horizon
just not an elegant solution
rigid mango
cuz it feels like it
lost horizon
doubtful, but the value of socket on rings is so high that you always see them
stuck knoll
lost horizon
imo the best solution is to remove the random socket rolls and just set certain gear or slots to always be socketed
keen elk
hello all; quick question about running multiple nothing personals. i see tons of rogues run more than 1 when possible but have yet to come across a simming scenario where that is ever better in single target/lightmovement models. Is there something specific that enables this build? Or just a side effect of the best azerite pieces happen to also have multiple NP's?
civic palm
it Sims better for the people that use it, or they just wanna.
keen elk
gotcha. right on thanks. i just wasnt sure if there was gear breakpoint or something that enabled that specific build since so many 413-418 builds run as many as possible and ive never seen a sim recommend more than one haha i appreciate the quick response!
rigid mango
Np is very good still even after the 1st trait and (excluding dd since you should always aim for 3 with those builds) it only gets outsimmed by bbi as a standalone trait
But 3rd ring matters too and a piece with op might still sim higher than non op piece with np, thus choosing the op piece @keen elk
Prime example of this is cephalohide chest where dd ttk op outsims dd np elemental etc, since thete are no dd np op chests atm, ceph is BiS
keen elk
Perfect! Thanks for the in-depth response. It seams the piece that has stayed consistent and kept simming a 2nd np was in exchange for 80% or higher uptime on treacherous covenant. I was tinkering with it and if that uptime is below 80% or the fight is shorter than 5 minutes the 2nd NP sims higher on both SSx2DDx1 and DDx3 builds for single target.
rigid mango
I mean when running basic 3 DD MA builds
keen elk
Thank you for the detailed response though! That helps a lot. 3 weeks back after a 2 year break hah relearning while also trying to keep up with mythic progression
rigid mango
normally you'll see 1/2np and a bbi/ttk
Optimally 1 of each
Assuming chest is ceph and shoulders are goraks
For the difficult bosses you'll be better off going a heavy DD build with MA
for the first 6 SS's can be good for doing more damage, but a lot of the time it's pad damage for parses
keen elk
Yeah for sure, I’ve got the padding down on champs, jadefire, grong and conclave. And then running outlaw on opulence and looking like for rasta too now (first week saving lockout and working on him) so I’m just tinkering with sin stuff for learning purposes for the time being
rigid mango
Yeah I mean for the first 6 bosses you can pretty much run most things
and you'll have a decent time
but rasta for example
you can run a bunch of SS if you want, but the damage you're doing isn't really damage, it's just pad
add damage doesn't really matter, what matters is the ST damage
So you might aswell run standard MA build
Even though on the meters you might look worse because you're not padding as hard as all the others
keen elk
Yeah so basically we’re running DD/MA build on the progression and pure ST fights while we run SS/pad build to parse in fights we can cheese it lol because for anything where add damage is important we are usually running outlaw anyway. Sound about right?
rigid mango
Sure, I mean I wouldn't count out sin because of add damage
When you look at parsing for boss damage @ opu, sin has higher parsers than outlaw does
Outlaw's damage on opu is mostly just add damage normally using opal and using 1 wits to have your damage go through the roof each time there are adds out
that normally die quite quickly, meanwhile sin just takes the CP from FoK and dumps into boss damage, sorta depends at what rate your adds are dying and if you need the damage 🤷
keen elk
Yep I actually got moved onto opal and outlaw for our opu kill because add damage was an issue lol
keen elk
I generally play sin while learning the fights too unless it’s cut and dry outlaw>sin. And like I said, I’m only 3 weeks in so I’ve only seen these bosses in heroic once and mythic the other 2 weeks lol so still learning. SSx3 was amazing the first week or so because I could focus more on fight mechanics and not lose as much uptime damage lol
rigid mango
Yeah makes sense
I mean I think sin is generally better for the hardest bosses
i.e the last 3
keen elk
Hopefully we get to see those here in the coming weeks haha we will see. I really appreciate your time and conversation and insight my dude. This discord is just as helpful as it’s always been
rigid mango
Aye gl with getting there^^
rocky ruin
Would you guys take 405 Cepha with DD/TTK/OP against a 415 DD/NP/ EleWhirl?
dark crag
If anyone still wonders about the 29k sim, i set all items to have a socket
With better azerite it would be a bit higher
hollow stone
You cant prove it
dark crag
The sockets are a lie
spice surge
Yeah, max sim possible atm is like 30k
hollow stone
😬
spice surge
But that requires, as you said, like full sockets
And "lurkers gift will be fairly easy to get at 425 since thats its baseline ilvl on mythic" that i said a few weeks ago
I kinda dont agree with that anymore 😄
dark crag
Used the full 30 sec in bod reclear, was fun
spice surge
I dont have one yet
Tbf i havent bothered to run it for extra coin chances, but still
dark crag
I got mine from a hunter again
I don't drop good azerite or trinkets in bod/cos
In uldir i got the good stuff
harsh sphinx
wait you don't have 12 sockets
civic palm
😐
dark crag
I have 2
bleak spoke
@marble hemlock ive been using it to dodge the jump away from my team haha
marble hemlock
not as far as i noticed, nah
bleak spoke
unless elusiveness I take it?
marble hemlock
but i couldnt tell you for sure
since i almost always play elusiveness in KR anyway
bleak spoke
i hate not having cheat, but i guess that's even more of a reason to play elu 😦
marble hemlock
well, cheat is nice
but KR has so many bosses or even trash with DoT effects
that elusiveness is just amazing
all 4 bosses have a DoT you can get, although its avoidable on the last boss, and most trash has some form of DoT :p
marble hemlock
dont
every othe class has one or multiple proper defensives
we just have immunities and take much more damage
whenever those immunities dont work, we're screwed
bleak spoke
fair
hearty owl
Master poisoner or elabarote planning for mythic + ?
marble hemlock
EP
cobalt gyro
pretty much alkways EP
stable pine
leeching poison or Elusiveness for 3rd boss in Temple?
cobalt gyro
elusive
fickle patio
do you guys use exsanguinate over toxic blade?
humble crane
Barely anyone runs exang as current meta
elder gulch
are bleeds snashotted? If I use a trinke that increases my agi or mastery will my bleed do the multiplier dmg for it's duration even after the trinket buff ends?
humble crane
No
cobalt gyro
only haste w/ esang, subt/nightstalker empowerments are snapshotted
keen elk
Quick question about pooling and not clipping EP. is there a certain energy range to pool to before using a finisher if there is no chance of fitting envenom into the last 1 sec of EP? Example; no EP, 5 cp, pool energy to X, then envenom, fit 2 mutilates into EP window, repeat?
*when running DD build
civic palm
You can honestly just spam until TB is coming up and make sure you have enough energy to get in two to three Envenoms in the window.
There's a bunch of nuance when it comes to keep ENV up for as long as possible but you have to learn when to not try to clip EP, and when you should be pooling and not looking at clipping ENV.
Once Vendetta/Vanish comes up make sure you have enough energy to do whichever rotation inside the Master Assassin window you have lined up.
keen elk
Right on. I appreciate ya
civic palm
👌
hasty brook
I've seen the basic guides but is there a more in-depth guide that goes beyond your rotation?
SIM says I can do 23k ish but I end up with around 19-20. Figured I'm missing something beyond "keep dots up"
tropic ocean
sin rotation isnt really indepth
keep dots up, dont overwrite buffed garrotes get 2x-3x 4+ cp envenom in tb
hasty brook
Hm ok. I hit 99 once in the logs but at times it seems like even with high dps and not clipping I fall to the 60s range
tropic ocean
if you have a log of your fights use wowanalyzer.com it will tell u the major flaws in your rotation in that fight
and for logs, depending on encounter/tier playing good doesn't necessarly reflect in orange log
its dependant on your killtime as well and how you put yourself into the position to cleave/cheese
hasty brook
Okay that makes much more sense. I'll try to be of around wowanalyzer. Thanks.
tropic ocean
gl
fallen bay
Guys what is evasion working on? Only meele attacks?
And is that 30% on feint more worth this week for kr then cheat death?
distant lava
for KR elusiveness is always better
rigid mango
Kr and tos I'd take elusiveness every time
bronze kelp
evasion works not only on melee attacks @fallen bay
also the charge at KR 3rd boss, or sharknado in freehold e.g.
real bay
yeah, they are kinda melee attacks, not direct but physical
bronze kelp
does evasion work on eudoras shot?
cobalt gyro
yes
distant lava
yeah
rigid mango
Evasion is so nice on tyr fh and kr
Dodge 1st boss and eudora shot, and dodge bleed blade thingy from 3rd boss kr
worn kayak
i need reminding, what boss does eudora shot?
worn kayak
oh.. lol
worn kayak
ahh yes!
little crow
hey guys, im going to gear my rogue for mostly m+ with ma bois and just wanted to check if im going for the right setup. i saw that i should go for crit>mastery mostly, but im not sure about the traits. do i want 3x SS and 3x echoing blades in a perfect world or a different combination?
tropic ocean
you can pick 3x ss 3x eb
but also 2x ss 2x eb 2x ttk
or 1x ss 3x eb 2x ttk
any combination of those traits is fine
adapt it to your personal liking, e.g. you lack single target reduce eb increase ttk, you lack aoe, reduce ttk/ss increase eb
little crow
i see, thanks. i was trying to stalk some people on raider.io but had a hard time finding an assa rogue 😄
tropic ocean
raider.io is not the best way to see the traits they use since its not super regularly updated
but there are some streamers that play assa twitch.tv/incarnated or twitch.tv/flawlesspls
incarnated basically plays assa only, for flawless hes playing outlaw too, but used to stream assa as well
(for general gameplay, traits, talents)
real bay
3x EB is def overkill for tyr
running with an outlaw and can keep up with him easily with 1x EB except some reapings which are easy anyway
I blast his ass with 6 garrotes on big groups
3x ss
little crow
playing mostly with a frost mage and a DH so dealing with reaping is not really a problem
drifting cosmos
then 3x SS is pretty solid for small/mid size cleave and ST boss dmg
personally i think 1 EB and 2 EB makes a noticeable difference
fallen bay
Wanted to ask about the pooling energy, how does it exactly work in rotation with example please cause I think I don't understand it properly and losing dps when trying to do it
burnt dome
Main point is to pool before TB so you can get 2 envenoms off
Pool to +-80% energy before envenoming as well, then do 2x mutilate (1x if crit to 4cp or 3cp + tb soon up) inside the Elaborate planning window then wait for the pool again
the 2nd sentence is outside of TB windows btw
burnt dome
Thats your TB window yes
burnt dome
Holding TB is almost never worth unless for big cd's like Vendetta/Hero/2nd pot (and the only holding it a bit)
fallen bay
So I should refresh dots with pandemic during TB debuff?
burnt dome
I refresh if I know I'm not gonna get another envenom out, otherwise I delay the refresh - but that's purely what feels right to me, haven't simmed or researched that
fallen bay
Okok
lament dove
you should anticipate when TB comes off CD and refresh your dots before that, that's the tricky bit in assa's rotation
fallen bay
And every window I should do like that on bosses I guess
lament dove
if you are outside of TB window just take it easy and pool energy, don't rush to spam finishers, plan ahead
burnt dome
Usually mine automatically line up pretty well so has never really been a prob for me
fallen bay
And is that haste trinket from shrine worth to dungeons? Cause I see lot of movement and I don't usually use the full duration of it
burnt dome
It all really depends on what you want to get out of that trinket. If you want high Overall damage and you usually cant use the full duration, then no - harlans or spyglass is probably better. If you want some more deeps on bosses and dont really care about overall it could still really be worth it. Not saying you do - but focussing on overall damage isn't the way to go. Cater your azerites and trinkets to what your group needs
Does it need more boss dmg? More big AoE/reaping? or more pack damage? Or just prio target damage?
fallen bay
So might be worth switching it from darkshore boss trinket or motherload trinket?
For*
Don't have spyglass
burnt dome
Whats the darkshore one caled?
lament dove
forest lord's razorleaf
burnt dome
Think it would be worth swapping to Boon yeah
Boon sims better than both of them on ST and MT. but if you feel like you barely use the boon's time cause of movement then the Forest sims 2nd best
real bay
dice spyglass or forest lord leaf all good , plume isn't bad either I hate gcb tbh unless you can just tunnel still
tropic ocean
gcb is really bad for m+
you're constant moving, it would be mostly worth for bosses, but even then only if you are sure you dont need to move doing duration
cobalt gyro
It's pretty hard to get value out of it in m+
If you have one, a plumage will be better
rigid mango
I think gcb is aight for harder tyr weeks tbh, since a lot of time is spent on bosses
But plumage is literally just "press this button for more damage"
spare shore
What should we aim for with Crafted gear Affix wise?
steep obsidian
those mechagon set rings look kinda interesting
although i guess its gonna be a grind to get the ones you want and also at a high ilvl
i know that
but im assuming it will have more then 370 ilvl
they are still interesting anyway
rigid mango
What would be the ilvl needed for it if it were to be out now?
Is it gonna be a grind to get it down in the first hand?
steep obsidian
they are in the dungeon journal
the concept is there
and it seems interesting
lots of combos like that
rigid mango
Hm yeah they look interesting
steep obsidian
so one tells you what you have to do to get proc other one gives you proc
rigid mango
Just hope they'll give competitive gear
steep obsidian
its all placeholders
im just talkinga bout the concept is all
there are healing combos and stuff
defensive ones
marble hemlock
rigid mango
Myeh gonna be down to ilvl ig 🤷
steep obsidian
and thought it looked cool havent even read wowhed lately
rigid mango
I know ilvl doesn't matter super much, but still
marble hemlock
idk
depending on the icd on the shield
that one seems the strongest by far
or the heal one
steep obsidian
yeah
marble hemlock
running the heal one on every player, and stacking the uwunat tanktrinket on everyone too
might allow for some janky 4dps+1tank comps
rigid mango
Dealing nature damage + 46k damage
rigid mango
Env + 46k 
marble hemlock
but im less excited about dps ones
rigid mango
Tb wont increase the damage right?
steep obsidian
numbers tuning will come and i guess they will put them on the vendor
rigid mango
Sad
steep obsidian
but i found doing a set bonus that way interesting
rigid mango
Yeah def ones could be interesting, might be diff between 4/5 heal
If several peeps running those
marble hemlock
none of the assa multipliers are global ones
marble hemlock
its kinda weird tho
seeing how assa only increases rogue-skill damage
but sub dmg increases for the most part are global ones
tribal marlin
I'm not sure that sub dmg amp are increasing damage that don't come directly from player (like trinket, azerite etc...)
I mean not anymore
obsidian sierra
tropic ocean
should be aoe
spice surge
Yes you can feint it
@marble hemlock Sub damage amps are not really global
Or well, they don't apply to trinkets nor Azerite
marble hemlock
probably changed it from legion
since legion ones were
they mightve just redesigned the entire thing
spice surge
Yeah they changed it from legion
Afaik trinkets and general damage traits are not affected by any amps
manic igloo
what would be the ideal traits for pure ST (how many stacked etc)
tropic ocean
with current gear 3 dd 1np 1 bbi 1 ttk
(cuz thats the pieces with overwhelming power)
manic igloo
ty ty
wary ice
most cooldowns only affect the damage of things tagged with your spec/class now iirc
compact haven
sup boys? 3x DD or 2x DD+ 1x NP for ST?
spice surge
You can have 6 traits total, ideally you want 3x dd
compact haven
on my current gear i got this 3x dd but no other assa traits, wich are usefull for st... got the 415 engi goggles (haste buff picked), BoD stat buff on shoulders and dagger in the back on my chest in the second rows
spice surge
I'd recommend heading over to Raidbots.com and simming your character
lost horizon
Trust the sims
obtuse ruin
is there a discord or any website that has multiple rogue uis?
looking to swap from default finally and want something that is not overwhelmed with weakauras
vestal wren
the majority uses wa for a big part of their ui
you can look at https://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/cat104.html for ui's
if you want to use elvui: https://wago.io/elvui
or build your own
fringe parcel
If im not using any SS traits, do I take master assassin instead of subterfuge on st fights?
fringe parcel
okay, ty
distant lava
tb you take even with 1 SS no ?
dark crag
Most likely
modest violet
